AFL Pay dispute

[Topdog]

My understanding is that the CBA ends this year. If that is the case how can the league continue to operate (drafts, trades, etc.) with such uncertainty and Im sure gaps with things like insurance?

In the US the seasons come to a halt when the CBA ends and their are disagreements, are we immune to that here?

[Mofra]

Probably immune - my employer's CBA ran out on 30 June this year and there still isn't anything in place.

[LostDoggy]

I read somewhere that it is written in the CBA that when it expires but no new deal takes its place the terms of the CBA simply continue until it is terminated or a new deal eventuates.

Quite common in most contracts -- similar to a rental lease agreement I suppose.

[westdog54]

Probably immune - my employer's CBA ran out on 30 June this year and there still isn't anything in place.

Same, we're in the middle of industrial action. We've sorted out 'non-money' issues with Management but the Government is simply refusing to come to the table on pay.

[EasternWest]

Same, we're in the middle of industrial action. We've sorted out 'non-money' issues with Management but the Government is simply refusing to come to the table on pay.

Yep, we get that all the time. I believe with most agreements in Aus (though I stand to be corrected), if new terms aren't reached by the expiry then the status quo remains.

WD54, how do you guys go with backpay etc when agreement is finally reached?

[westdog54]

Yep, we get that all the time. I believe with most agreements in Aus (though I stand to be corrected), if new terms aren't reached by the expiry then the status quo remains.

WD54, how do you guys go with backpay etc when agreement is finally reached?

Generally not an issue but we'll probably have a fight on our hands this time given its probably going to turn into a long, drawn out dispute.

[Topdog]

good to know. It still is illogical to have a draft and trade period not knowing the $$ implications but I'm happy enough.

[divvydan]

good to know. It still is illogical to have a draft and trade period not knowing the $$ implications but I'm happy enough.

It is strange and something I've been wondering is how have clubs gone about re-signing players towards the end of this season? Would clubs have assumed a level of increase above the current CBA for next year expecting a deal would get done before Oct 31 when contracts roll over or would they have either kept it at current levels or written clauses into the contracts regarding pay if the CBA changes?

Hope that all clubs have gone the latter two options as the salary cap consequences could potentially be crippling.

[Pembleton]

Yep, we get that all the time. I believe with most agreements in Aus (though I stand to be corrected), if new terms aren't reached by the expiry then the status quo remains.

WD54, how do you guys go with backpay etc when agreement is finally reached?

You're right. In enterprise agreements under the Fair Work Act (the AFL's agreement with the AFLPA does not come under that though), the expiry date is merely nominal. Its operation does not drop dead until there is a new agreement. The expiry date passing does trigger things like the potential for taking protected industrial action.

Regarding Nick's predicament, back pay as such can often be difficult to get out of government (i know at federal level there is a policy that back pay is not offered). Instead there is often a flat rate sign on bonus offered to compensate for the period between the old agreement nominally expiring and the new one commencing, but it is a blunt instrument which doesn't take account for the varying levels of earnings and usually does not fully cover the shortfall (especially when you consider things like increaes on penalty rates and super that have been lost in the intervening time).

[westdog54]

Regarding Nick's predicament, back pay as such can often be difficult to get out of government (i know at federal level there is a policy that back pay is not offered). Instead there is often a flat rate sign on bonus offered to compensate for the period between the old agreement nominally expiring and the new one commencing, but it is a blunt instrument which doesn't take account for the varying levels of earnings and usually does not fully cover the shortfall (especially when you consider things like increaes on penalty rates and super that have been lost in the intervening time).

As I said generally not an issue (wasn't last time around), but given how stubborn Baillieu and Ryan are being on money, watch this space.

Don't get me started on not being back-paid for overtime, penalty rates and allowances.

[ledge]

Every place I ever worked we got back pay and thats the railways, James Hardie, JAC paper or Avery Dennison as its now known and Woolworths, just finished Woolworths one now, waiting for backpay and I think its 14 weeks worth, free doggies membership ;)

[KT31]

Every place I ever worked we got back pay and thats the railways, James Hardie, JAC paper or Avery Dennison as its now known and Woolworths, just finished Woolworths one now, waiting for backpay and I think its 14 weeks worth, free doggies membership ;)

Find that hard to believe.:D


railways, James Hardie, JAC paper or Avery Dennison as its now known and Woolworths,

Hope you are in demand and not a trouble making drifter who struggles to hold down a job.:D

[ledge]

Nah 10 years in the railways retrenched was a bookbinder, government privatised it.
6 years at James Hardie, asbestos thingy , they did a runner, got retrenched.
12 years at JAC, Avery took over , had factory in Elizabeth already so kept that open, closed us, you know price of living cheaper there etc, got retrenched.
Now Woolies the last 3 years, never resigned from a job yet.

Sorry railways I turned up, was between 1980 and 1990, strong union in those days ;)

[Greystache]

It looks like the NAB cup will be the target for any potential industrial action.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-pay-dispute-heads-towards-player-strike/story-e6frf9jf-1226159658952

[westdog54]

It looks like the NAB cup will be the target for any potential industrial action.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-pay-dispute-heads-towards-player-strike/story-e6frf9jf-1226159658952
It looks more to me that Michael Warner has reached that conclusion on his own. Nothing quoted from either side, and a suggestion that 'some' players (a very loose term) see the NAB cup as the ideal vehicle.

[Pembleton]

As I said generally not an issue (wasn't last time around), but given how stubborn Baillieu and Ryan are being on money, watch this space.

Don't get me started on not being back-paid for overtime, penalty rates and allowances.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-yields-to-police-pay-claim-20111024-1mgeb.html

Looks like a good result for you guys in the end :) (Though i note no back pay! :mad: )

[LostDoggy]

Nick's shout next.

[westdog54]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-yields-to-police-pay-claim-20111024-1mgeb.html

Looks like a good result for you guys in the end :) (Though i note no back pay! :mad: )

We get a $1000 bonus just before Christmas in lieu of backpay. The more junior you are, the better off you are.

Works for me because I've only been in the job 2 years.

The 4.7% a year over 4 is a very good result and will put the governent on the back foot when they go to negotiate with nurses, teachers and Public Servants.

I have a funny feeling the government shat itself when we stopped writing tickets.

[bornadog]

We get a $1000 bonus just before Christmas in lieu of backpay. The more junior you are, the better off you are.

Works for me because I've only been in the job 2 years.

The 4.7% a year over 4 is a very good result and will put the governent on the back foot when they go to negotiate with nurses, teachers and Public Servants.

I have a funny feeling the government shat itself when we stopped writing tickets.

Apparently if you add up all the claims from nurses, teachers and Public Servants, plus the Police the Government would have to find $21 billion, so you better start writing some tickets:D

[Remi Moses]

Or just install more speed cameras.
Funny how they were revenue raisers 12 months ago , now there safety devices!
:rolleyes:Anyway

[Topdog]

Apparently if you add up all the claims from nurses, teachers and Public Servants, plus the Police the Government would have to find $21 billion, so you better start writing some tickets:D

Well he did promise it all prior to being elected :confused:

[bornadog]

Well he did promise it all prior to being elected :confused:

and got elected on that basis, pretty poor form.

[westdog54]

and got elected on that basis, pretty poor form.

I'm actually starting to wonder if the Coalition ever thought they'd actually win the election. They promised the world and they've left themselves a big task if they're to do it all.

The Police academy is bursting at the seams as it is with all the new Police that were promised, and it will only get worse when they start training the new train station PSOs.

[Dancin' Douggy]

There may be a bit of loose change to throw around if they told Bernie Ecclestone to shove it.

[LostDoggy]

There may be a bit of loose change to throw around if they told Bernie Ecclestone to shove it.

The hole to the budget of pending pay increases etc. will be around the $20 BILLION mark, the Grand Prix costs us in the order of $20-40 million (this figure is disputed -- some claim that it brings more than that in, in intangibles, but no one's really costed it other than some vague 'branding' valuations); it's chump change compared to the figures we're talking about.

Having said that I could happily live without the F1.