The Latest Fev Talk

[Go_Dogs]

Apparently something was shown on Channel 7 last night, I cannot for the life of me work out what it was between all the craziness at BF.

If anyone saw it, would they care to elaborate on what was said?

I'm still a bit nervous about trade week.

[LostDoggy]

Talk about hysteria.
Thank god this is a sensible forum.

[Mantis]

All this talk is doing my head in.. For christs sake trade week is till 3 weeks away and BF is already awash with rumours and propaganda.

[Dry Rot]

I still trying to figure out how it all started.

[Go_Dogs]

Haha, well thank God I'm not the only one.

[Twodogs]

Fev should transfer to the liberal party. They need all the help they can get.

[LostDoggy]

All this talk is doing my head in.. For christs sake trade week is till 3 weeks away and BF is already awash with rumours and propaganda.

Same here, I didn't see the news but everyone's making whatever it was to be a guarantee that Fevola will be at Whitten Oval next year, surely we'd be one of the last clubs he'd want to play for.

[Raw Toast]

Apparently something was shown on Channel 7 last night, I cannot for the life of me work out what it was between all the craziness at BF.

If anyone saw it, would they care to elaborate on what was said?

I'm still a bit nervous about trade week.

Seems like CH7 indicated that we thought Fev was over-priced (wanting more than $700,000) and won't give pick 5 for him. (At least that's what a decent poster wrote of the report.)

Clearly we've sniffed around Fev, just like we need to do with Judd and the rest of the possibly available talent. But I don't think the kind of hysteria this has generated is going to help the time to trade week pass more quickly...

[LostDoggy]

eade just said on sen that the club is highly unlikely to trade first rnd pick.....he said if he was to trade pick 5 it would be for a 22 or 23yr old player not 27 (fev)....

[GVGjr]

eade just said on sen that the club is highly unlikely to trade first rnd pick.....he said if he was to trade pick 5 it would be for a 22 or 23yr old player not 27 (fev)....

Yes he wanted 7 years from a player if we were to trade a first round draft pick for a player.

[The Coon Dog]

Yes he wanted 7 years from a player if we were to trade a first round draft pick for a player.

And said that you never say never, but clubs are realising where their futures lie & it would need to be an exceptional player if you were to part with a first round pick.

[Dry Rot]

Good - sanity prevails.

So does he have someone in mind? :)

[GVGjr]

Good - sanity prevails.

So does he have someone in mind? :)

Wouldn't confirm anything. Said he didn't want to start a whole lot of speculation. Very evasive but did say that Clayton would speak to all the player managers in the coming weeks.

He did talk about Judd.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Yes he wanted 7 years from a player if we were to trade a first round draft pick for a player.

Good to see the club is being sensible in this situation... We'd be derelict in our duty to check out any decent player who might be either up for trade or approaching the end of contract, but I'm glad Eade is from these reports sticking to his guns as to what we will give up.
By the reports on BF you'd think it was a done deal and hear very little other than bellicose grandstanding.... good to have a plce like this where there is serious discussion.

[The Coon Dog]

Good to see the club is being sensible in this situation... We'd be derelict in our duty to check out any decent player who might be either up for trade or approaching the end of contract, but I'm glad Eade is from these reports sticking to his guns as to what we will give up.
By the reports on BF you'd think it was a done deal and hear very little other than bellicose grandstanding.... good to have a plce like this where there is serious discussion.

I hear ya!

[Twodogs]

Good to see the club is being sensible in this situation... We'd be derelict in our duty to check out any decent player who might be either up for trade or approaching the end of contract, but I'm glad Eade is from these reports sticking to his guns as to what we will give up.
By the reports on BF you'd think it was a done deal and hear very little other than bellicose grandstanding.... good to have a plce like this where there is serious discussion.




I posted on that stupid thread a couple of times and then thought "Hang on-what am I doing?"

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I posted on that stupid thread a couple of times and then thought "Hang on-what am I doing?"


Me too.

I feel safe that Eade is not going to mortage the famr for Fev.
Carlscum fans sure are getting their arrogance back and are almost aghast that as fans we are not supplicating ourselves before them and throwing the sink at them for Pavlova!!

[FrediKanoute]

I think 2 things have made me less happy about chasing Fev:

1. We finished 4th last and have pick 5, had we finished in the bottom half of the 8 or knocking on its door and our pick was say around 10/11 I'd be more inclined, but I think at pick 5 you have the chance of drafting a 200+ game player.

2. Our form towards the end of the season showed that FF was not our only weakness and that we are some way off in a number of areas. A FF is not going to help us get the ball out of the middle etc.

However, I will caveat all of this by saying that if we got Fev for a reasonable player trade I'd do the deal.

[bornadog]

I have mentioned this before on other threads, but a couple of years ago I was on the plane back from Darwin with the Carlton team. I was sitting in the last row next to the galley and Fev stood there with other players, drinking for most of the trip and all I heard all night was Denis this, Denis that, Denis this. He didn't stop talking about the coach and bagging him. I hope he has matured a bit since then.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I have mentioned this before on other threads, but a couple of years ago I was on the plane back from Darwin with the Carlton team. I was sitting in the last row next to the galley and Fev stood there with other players, drinking for most of the trip and all I heard all night was Denis this, Denis that, Denis this. He didn't stop talking about the coach and bagging him. I hope he has matured a bit since then.

Agree and we aren't exactly blessed with an overabundance of blokes that have the strong personality to pull him into line. West, Johnno and Aker stand out.
Perhaps this is why there was a rumour of West meeting up with Fev? Using our "let's call a spade a shovel guy to get a feel for him perhaps?

However I agree with Fredi Kanoute.. if the deal was not too much to get the trade done (hard to imagine given Carltons arrogance) then it might be worth a punt.
However for me I'd be much more inclined to use the trade period to secure a ruckman who is ready to contribue in 2008 if it were only to cost us a 2nd rounder plus at most a depth player.
For mine we need to keep pick 5 unless we are offered something too good to refuse.. and the player is has more years left in him than he has already played.

[Sedat]

Fev is a quality key forward, one of the elites of the competition. Far worse performed KPP's have been traded for not much less than Carlton are expecting for Fev. Hay and Ottens went for 2 first-rounders, Nathan Thompson went for 10 and 26, Tarrant went for 8 and a decent player in a hot draft, even fringe senior players (up to that point in their careers) like Richards and Jolly went for first-rounders. The price Carlton are expecting for Fev is not unreasonable at all based on recent trading history.

Having said all that I don't want us to chase Fev because, even after 9 years in the system, the gap between his best and worst is still vast - he will play his fair share of crap, uncommited, selfish football in the future, interspersed with genius, match-winning performances. Also, he is 27 - we will get 4 years maximum out of him, that's less than 100 games. And his presence will not help our appaling clearance work in the centre and around the ground one iota. Far safer and better long-term option to keep the pick and get some top shelf 18yo talent.

I am not the slightest bit nervous with Eade at the helm during trade week. He has been rock-solid and unwavering during the last 3 trade weeks, helping redress the imbalance of the unmitigated disaster that was 2003 trade week.

[Sockeye Salmon]

I'm in the anti-Fev group, but for the sake of discussion, here's my effort at a phantom trade. Mostly it's based on alleged interest by clubs on BF.

Fevola > Dogs
McMahon > Adelaide
Giansiracusa > Carlton
Jericho > Carlton
Meeson > Dogs
Pick 10 (Ade) > Carlton
Pick 22 (Dogs) > Adelaide

We get Fevola and Meeson for McMahon, Giansiracusa and pick 22

Carlton get Giansiracusa, Jericho and pick 10 for Fevola

Adelaide get McMahon and pick 22 for Jericho, Meeson and pick 10

[bornadog]

However for me I'd be much more inclined to use the trade period to secure a ruckman who is ready to contribue in 2008 if it were only to cost us a 2nd rounder plus at most a depth player.
For mine we need to keep pick 5 unless we are offered something too good to refuse.. and the player is has more years left in him than he has already played.

I think we need a good ruckman more than a power forward. Unless the midfielders are being fed the ball so they can pump it into the forward line, the Power forward may end up sitting there waiting for the ball.

On SEN last night, Eade was asked if he would trade pick 5 and he said it would have to be very exceptional circumstances.

[Sockeye Salmon]

I think we need a good ruckman more than a power forward. Unless the midfielders are being fed the ball so they can pump it into the forward line, the Power forward may end up sitting there waiting for the ball.

On SEN last night, Eade was asked if he would trade pick 5 and he said it would have to be very exceptional circumstances.

Our rucks are certainly a long way from being a strength and definately need bolstering but are competant enough that we don't (usually) get smashed. I expect more from Minson this year and Skipper may be able to be a backup (Street is a waste of a spot on the list).

We simply don't have any tall forwards - at all.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Another aside on the Fev arguement.

If we got Fev, what would that mean for Grant?

Chris doesn't have very many suitable matchups any more in the backline, so the only spot I can see him playing next year is FF.

To fit Fev in the salary cap we would probably need to add Johnno to the vets list and retire Chris.

Retire off our most loyal servant to pay a fortune to a total flog? Say no to Fev.

[Mantis]

Another aside on the Fev arguement.

If we got Fev, what would that mean for Grant?

Chris doesn't have very many suitable matchups any more in the backline, so the only spot I can see him playing next year is FF.

To fit Fev in the salary cap we would probably need to add Johnno to the vets list and retire Chris.

Retire off our most loyal servant to pay a fortune to a total flog? Say no to Fev.

Understand your sentiment here, but the following questions need to be asked:

Will next year be Chris Grant's last? Yes

Will we win the flag next year? No

Will next year be Fev's last year? No

Will Fev still be playing in 3 or so years when it is thought we will be a chance for a flag? Yes

I love Grant too and would like him to play on next year, but I'm sure he wouldn't stand in the way of the club trying to do everything in it's power to work towards winning a flag. If Fev is a part of this push then Granty has to stand aside.

I'm not sure on Fev myself at the right price he might be good.

[LostDoggy]

why is everyone talking about trading gia?? he woud be one of the last players i would trade. Class act!

[Sockeye Salmon]

why is everyone talking about trading gia?? he woud be one of the last players i would trade. Class act!

C'mon Jerry, get with the program. Gia was appointed this years scapegoat after the pre-season cup.

[LostDoggy]

why is everyone talking about trading gia?? he woud be one of the last players i would trade. Class act!


I sort of agree, I certainly don't want to trade Gia, I think he's really loyal to the club and loves the place, plus a lot of the players have spoken about how important he is to the side and will be a future captain if he plays his cards right. But I guess there'd be quite a few players higher up on my list of never to be traded players.

[BulldogBelle]

C'mon Jerry, get with the program. Gia was appointed this years scapegoat after the pre-season cup.

Don't forget Jordie - I think he and Gia are sharing it. Wonder who next year's candidate will be?

Scapegoats in recent times....

KMac
Morgan

[Dry Rot]

Don't forget Jordie - I think he and Gia are sharing it. Wonder who next year's candidate will be?

Scapegoats in recent times....

KMac
Morgan

Hey BB, don't forget EAGLETON.

[BulldogBelle]

Hey BB, don't forget EAGLETON.

Yes thanks DR....

This year's SG's -

McMahon
Gia
Eagleton

Hmmmm, do you think we should add Farrey Ray to that list, he has also been copping a lot of pasting.

[Dry Rot]

Yes thanks DR....

This year's SG's -

McMahon
Gia
Eagleton

Hmmmm, do you think we should add Farrey Ray to that list, he has also been copping a lot of pasting.

Why not? It's much easier targeting these players than the rest of the team.

And we've both forgotten Power.

[BulldogBelle]

Why not? It's much easier targeting these players than the rest of the team.

And we've both forgotten Power.

Ok, yes, we did forget Power...

2007 Scapegoat List at various times during the season

McMahon
Gia
Eagleton
Ray
Power

That about does it.

[BulldogBelle]

I don't think we will get Fev, he keeps stating that Carlton is where he wants to be at...but if we were to snare him - I wouldn't be too upset with that happening.

[The Underdog]

My nominations for next year's scape goats on BF.
McDougall
Akermanis
Skipper

[MrMahatma]

You're forgetting that it's also the fitness guy and Wayne Campbell's fault that we've had a bad year.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Maybe the 'most scape-goated player of the year award' could be the Daniel Bandy memorial trophy or perhaps the Greg Epelstun cup?

[Twodogs]

Maybe the 'most scape-goated player of the year award' could be the Daniel Bandy memorial trophy or perhaps the Greg Epelstun cup?




"Allaistar Ford Trophy" He was genuinly no good but he only played a few games-The way we carry on about him you'd reckon he missed a shot from the goalsquare in a close Grand Final.

[westdog54]

Ok, yes, we did forget Power...

2007 Scapegoat List at various times during the season

McMahon
Gia
Eagleton
Ray
Power

That about does it.

Does Walsh fit into this category?

There are those on BF that would have us believe its all his fault that we're not a premiership contender.