Game Day 2012 - R5 Western Bulldogs vs GWS

[BulldogBelle]

This is the discussion thread for our Saturday afternoon game against GWS at Manuka Oval.

My predictions are:

The Dogs by 48 points
BOG : Matthew Boyd
Luke Dahlhaus to kick the first goal

[Greystache]

Dogs by 65
BOG- Griffen
First Goal- Sherman

[Eastdog]

Dogs by 74 points
BOG: Boyd
First Goal: Griffen

[LostDoggy]

Dogs by 61 pts
BOG: Boyd
First Goal: Cooney

[SlimPickens]

Dogs 42 pts
BOG- Dahl
First goal- Grant

[bornadog]

Dogs: by 55

BOG: Murphy

First Goal: Jones

[DragzLS1]

Dogs: 51 points

BOG: Griffen

First Goal: Grant snap

Looking forward to this game lets hope we show them how its done!

[LostDoggy]

Dogs: 49 Points
BOG: Dahlhaus
First Goal: Sherman

[Daughter of the West]

Dogs by 42
BOG: Murph
First goal: Sherman

[1eyedog]

Dogs by 101 points
Adam Cooney first goal
Dahlhaus BOG with 25 disposals and 5 goals.

[G-Mo77]

I thought this would have been aired Saturday afternoon. :mad:

[Eastdog]

I thought this would have been aired Saturday afternoon. :mad:

I don't believe our match will be on free to air. Obviously it will be on Fox Footy but not everyone had Foxtel. Pretty much if you don't have Foxtel you'll have to tune in on the radio or find a live stream from somewhere.

[G-Mo77]

I don't believe our match will be on free to air. Obviously it will be on Fox Footy but not everyone had Foxtel. Pretty much if you don't have Foxtel you'll have to tune in on the radio or find a live stream from somewhere.

Of course it's on Foxtel like all our games are. I have this Telstra crap and I don't get to see it until 4AM the next day. Yeah this new TV rights deal is great for the every day consumer. :rolleyes:

End rant.

[Eastdog]

Of course it's on Foxtel like all our games are. I have this Telstra crap and I don't get to see it until 4AM the next day. Yeah this new TV rights deal is great for the every day consumer. :rolleyes:

End rant.

That's annoying because you would like to think the new TV rights deal benefits everyone as the AFL says but from what your saying G-Mo77 it clearly doesnt.

[AndrewP6]

Dogs by 33
BOG Griffen
First goal Roald Dahlhaus

[Go_Dogs]

Dogs by 86
BOG Boyd
First goal Higgins

[LostDoggy]

I thought this would have been aired Saturday afternoon. :mad:

If I recall correctly, the time of this match was changed so Fox can broadcast it from 2.40 back to 1.40.

Dogs by 102
BOG Boyd with 45 Disp.
First Goal Dahl

[Ghost Dog]

Dogs by 50
BOG Adam the Coon Dog Cooney
First Goal Ryan for the second week in a row.

[bornadog]

Libba Sub.

[Greystache]

Libba Sub.

He must be really sore, missed one game and now the sub!

I thought Higgins was an ideal sub, let the game slow down and him to come on for a burst.

[LostDoggy]

I thought Higgins was an ideal sub, let the game slow down and him to come on for a burst.

I too thought it would be better if Higgins was the Sub again , he might be named as a forward but he will spend a lot of time in the midfield

I actually don,t like the idea of Libba as the Sub he's a confidence player who likes to get his hands dirty from the get go , Austin is straight in for Hargrave and will probably slot in at CHB

Dogs by 44
BOG Murphy
First Goal Djerrkura

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[Topdog]

Jones in the backline??

[LostDoggy]

Jones in the backline??

I think the its supposed to be Austin at CHB , Jones CHF , Veszpremi at HB and Higgins on the bench

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[Topdog]

stupid AFL website

[Go_Dogs]

Not a good start, GWS pressure very good.

[Scraggers]

Could the commentators talk up GWS anymore ??? Geez :mad:

[Eastdog]

GWS have been very good early. We need to get our act together.

[Go_Dogs]

Smart kick by Wallis, Sherman needed to finish though.

[MrMahatma]

Good grief we're sloppy.

[Scraggers]

Our skill level is disgraceful ... Too many unforced errors !!

[Scraggers]

Ffs !!!

[Go_Dogs]

Our skill level is disgraceful ... Too many unforced errors !!

Agreed, each disposal puts the next in line under more pressure. We're looking atrocious.

[LostDoggy]

Just going too wide on a smaller ground , too many hard passes to clear , taking too long to move the ball allowing GWS to reset

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[Eastdog]

We just don't have a go to man up forward. It look really bad up there.

[AndrewP6]

Could the commentators talk up GWS anymore ??? Geez :mad:

Why not, they at least are looking like an AFL side. We're disgusting.

[MrMahatma]

If we can't score goals against this mob... well, those bells ringing at the moment must be alarm bells.

[Mantis]

Is our game plan to handball in circles and then bomb to a contest?

Where is our run?

[Eastdog]

Macca is going to give them a spray at quarter time.

[AndrewP6]

Is our game plan to handball in circles and then bomb to a contest?

Where is our run?

Have we even got a game plan?

[comrade]

Brian Lake is a waste of space.

[AndrewP6]

We just don't have a go to man up forward. It look really bad up there.

Or in the middle, or in the back line, or in the interchange.

[Go_Dogs]

Is our game plan to handball in circles and then bomb to a contest?

Where is our run?

It's mindboggling. We're so slow moving it, as soon as GWS go forward they have open space and people leading into it. We have no run, no movement. Our pressure and skill isn't good enough.

One of the worst quarters we've played in my years against a side we should account for comfortably.

[Eastdog]

Shocking clearing out of defence.

[AndrewP6]

And they wonder why people don't want to spend their hard-earned on memberships. Pathetic.

[The Pie Man]

We look like we're in slow motion. This is starting to scare me

[Remi Moses]

Total embarrassment!!
:mad:

[Twodogs]

We arent showing the opposition any respect and we are paying the price for it. Too much cute stuff from us, short kicks, going half pace at contests, handballs that leave the receiver under pressure are all costing us.

If we dont pull our fingers out soon or we'll be embarrassed

[AndrewP6]

We arent showing the opposition any respect and we are paying the price for it. Too much cute stuff from us, short kicks, going half pace at contests, handballs that leave the receiver under pressure are all costing us.

If we dont pull our fingers out soon or we'll be embarrassed

We already are

[Grantysghost]

Exposed for legspeed ... Well done picken!

[angelopetraglia]

I can not believe that. What has happened to our footy club?

[Go_Dogs]

Exposed for legspeed ... Well done picken!

Yep, the same old theme, lack of pace and skill.

[comrade]

We keep handballing to stationary targets and when we do get it out, we've got no genuine leg speed to move it forward.

We're the worst team to watch in the entire league.

[Scraggers]

We arent showing the opposition any respect and we are paying the price for it. Too much cute stuff from us, short kicks, going half pace at contests, handballs that leave the receiver under pressure are all costing us.

If we dont pull our fingers out soon or we'll be embarrassed

Exactly ... Port Adelaide will always be known as the first team beaten by Gold Coast. Looks like we'll be always known as GWS's first victims.

[bornadog]

Exposed for legspeed ... Well done picken!

Exposed for bad skill errors.

[comrade]

I can not believe that. What has happened to our footy club?

A decade of terrible drafting and development.

[Eastdog]

Terrible first quarter of football from us. We are the first team to score no goals in a quarter against GWS. :mad:

[Scraggers]

A decade of terrible drafting and development.

Welcome to The Western Front !!

[bornadog]

Once more we have the goons on Fox barracking for the opposition.

[Mantis]

We keep handballing to stationary targets and when we do get it out, we've got no genuine leg speed to move it forward.

We're the worst team to watch in the entire league.

So we bomb to a bunch of kids.

Agree with the 2nd part... Just a horrible brand of footy.

[LostDoggy]

We play the extra tall forward, yet don't kick it long to the dangerous spots.

What a pathetic quarter of football.

[Doc26]

At least we're dominating the tackle count :rolleyes:

[Doggy]

My lawn needs mowing.

[choconmientay]

Where is our spirit? Where is the will to run and chase? Where is our pride?

[Greystache]

We've had all the play just can't move the ball effectively. GWS will tire and this will blow open, but it's a concern we can't cope with pressure being applied because good teams will do it for 4 quarters.

[AndrewP6]

Once more we have the goons on Fox barracking for the opposition.

I don't blame them, we're embarrassing and pathetic. They have no reason to barrack for us at the moment.

[LostDoggy]

And the Club is wondering where the members that have not re-signed have gone , they switched of the TV after the first quarter

I thought we were making some progress

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[comrade]

Nice work rate from Cordy.

[Greystache]

Great repeat effort and goal from Cordy

[Greystache]

GWS can't even get their hands on the ball, we should be 8 goals up.

[Mantis]

Geez we have some 'dumb' players in our team...

[Greystache]

Starting to get some reward for all our possession.

[Go_Dogs]

Thank you Higgins. We're gaining the ascendency but need to make more of our chances.

[Eastdog]

Dominating this quarter. Higgins scores our 2nd and were in front.

[Greystache]

Here come the flood gates.

[Eastdog]

Thats more like it.

[bornadog]

Who said we don't have pace
Go Sherman

[Scraggers]

Better ... Still not good, but better

[AndrewP6]

Thank f*** for that.

[Greystache]

Ayce starting to look an AFL player.

[AndrewP6]

Sherm is a very welcome addition. Good pace, works hard and celebrates a goal like no other.

[Sedat]

Minson outstanding in the ruck - BOG by a mile so far

[azabob]

Ayce starting to look an AFL player.

What have you liked about his game? I don't have fox.

[Eastdog]

Starting to take control back after that woeful 1st quarter. Griffen has been very good with 21 disposals.

[LostDoggy]

Has anyone found a website that has live scores? The AFL one is still saying it's 1/4 time. :mad:

[comrade]

Dunstall and his pro-GWS comments are giving me the shits. Give it a rest ya fat pig :D

[Greystache]

What have you liked about his game? I don't have fox.

Leading up well, continual repeat efforts, winning one on one contests. Playing very well.

Has a heap of hard work to do still, but has huge upside.

[LostDoggy]

Dunstall and his pro-GWS comments are giving me the shits. Give it a rest ya fat pig :D

He he. :D

[AndrewP6]

Has anyone found a website that has live scores? The AFL one is still saying it's 1/4 time. :mad:

It's live now.

[Eastdog]

Has anyone found a website that has live scores? The AFL one is still saying it's 1/4 time. :mad:

Not very good at all from the afl website. Sportal I think has the live scores or if you don't have fox the radio. See how that goes. Dogs up by 11 points. 37-28

[Scraggers]

has anyone found a website that has live scores? The afl one is still saying it's 1/4 time. :mad:

wb 37 gws 28

[LostDoggy]

It's live now.

Thanks, have found another one. It's prettier, and more up to date. :)

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/live-scores/

[AndrewP6]

Dunstall and his pro-GWS comments are giving me the shits. Give it a rest ya fat pig :D

Starting to bug me now too :D

[LostDoggy]

Thanks everyone!! :)

[Rance Fan]

Wood and Addison terrible then in back half!

[bulldogsthru&thru]

why is Wood still in the team....

[bornadog]

Umpiring pathetic . Cameron gets a push in the back when it wasn't there. Then he pushes Austin clearly in the back and kicks another goal

[AndrewP6]

Funniest line of the day: "Dogs spreading, Cross the quickest"...

[Eastdog]

Good reply goal by Boyd. Too close for comfort.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

im very scared of the thought of next friday night

[Greystache]

Cooney can still finish.

Dogs 50-35

[LostDoggy]

im very scared of the thought of next friday night

I'll go as I don't want to waste my membership, but I'll be taking a book to read if things get ugly. :D

[comrade]

Funniest line of the day: "Dogs spreading, Cross the quickest"...

That's one of our problems. Cross is one of our only mids who busts a nut to provide an option on the spread. With his foot skills, he shouldn't be playing that role.

[LostDoggy]

Cooney can still finish.

Dogs 50-35

7 goal quarter - now that's more like it!! :)

[Rance Fan]

Minson outstanding in the ruck - BOG by a mile so far

Hits it to the opposition to much!

[Scraggers]

8 goal quarter much better effort ... But our skill level is deplorable ... We don't trust our first instinct, which means we get caught way too often. This tells me the players still don't understand the new game plan being instilled by the new coaches. The players are second guessing themselves and not playing instinctively.
We look second rate against a second division team !!

[Go_Dogs]

Dahlhaus looking a little off today. Minson has been good, as has Cordy and Wallis. Sherman is getting involved. Jones another who seems to be stagnating a bit at the moment. Overall a big improvement in the 2nd but we're a long way off the better sides.

[Eastdog]

Much better in that quarter. We now in the 3rd quarter have to kick on from here and hopefully get a comfortable win.

[LostDoggy]

Much better finish to that quarter , good solid pressure to lock the ball in , a Sheedy Flood choked up the space and we did,nt add another 3 or 4 goals

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[Rance Fan]

26 disposals for Griff in a 1/2! BOG

[Hotdog60]

Dahlhaus looking a little off today. Minson has been good, as has Cordy and Wallis. Sherman is getting involved. Jones another who seems to be stagnating a bit at the moment. Overall a big improvement in the 2nd but we're a long way off the better sides.

I wonder if he is carrying a injury as he looks short on for pace and there was a couple of times he would have laid tackles but didn't commit.

[Mantis]

Dahlhaus looking a little off today. Minson has been good, as has Cordy and Wallis. Sherman is getting involved. Jones another who seems to be stagnating a bit at the moment. Overall a big improvement in the 2nd but we're a long way off the better sides.

He isn't being helped by the fact our foot skills are extremely poor and that he is now drawing the no.1 defender, but it would be nice if he can get his hands on the ball a bit more.

[Eastdog]

26 disposals for Griff in a 1/2! BOG

Griff has been one of our best.

[Go_Dogs]

I wonder if he is carrying a injury as he looks short on for pace and there was a couple of times he would have laid tackles but didn't commit.

Yep, I had the same impression. Normally he'd be doing everything to lay those tackles, but has lacked that today.



He isn't being helped by the fact our foot skills are extremely poor and that he is now drawing the no.1 defender, but it would be nice if he can get his hands on the ball a bit more.

No doubt, he's got just about the most unenviable role in the AFL at the moment, but his positioning and leading has been a concern. He's not really on a world-beating opponent today either, Davis is going to be a good player, but he's still a kid at the moment.

[LostDoggy]

26 disposals for Griff in a 1/2! BOG

I,m sure Macca told him to some in closer to the contest to help clear the ball , he and Sherman have found some space , our wide play in the first quarter on the smaller ground was useless , if we dominate the corridor we win the game

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[Mantis]

No doubt, he's got just about the most unenviable role in the AFL at the moment, but his positioning and leading has been a concern. He's not really on a world-beating opponent today either, Davis is going to be a good player, but he's still a kid at the moment.

And Jones is a seasoned veteran??

[bornadog]

No doubt, he's got just about the most unenviable role in the AFL at the moment, but his positioning and leading has been a concern. He's not really on a world-beating opponent today either, Davis is going to be a good player, but he's still a kid at the moment.

He doesn't excatly get the ball delivered to him like a forward should. We keep expecting him to take a big contested mark.

[immortalmike]

26 disposals for Griff in a 1/2! BOG

By stats yes but his first quarter was shocking disposal wise. His second was much, much better. Was one of the reasons we got back into the game.

[F'scary]

22 points up at half time, we have to win by at least 10 goals to erase the humiliation of the goalless first qtr

[Prince Imperial]

Jones need a much better second half or he will be in the VFL next week. -4 dreamtime points to half time. :(

[Rance Fan]

Hey how many goals have Jones kicked this year?
Anyone

[Go_Dogs]

And Jones is a seasoned veteran??

Where did I say he was? This is one of the more even match ups he'll get all season - I was expecting him to at least break even.

[LostDoggy]

hey how many goals have jones kicked this year?
Anyone

5 - he averages a goal a game

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[AndrewP6]

Libba subbed in. Waiting to see who's got the red vest.

EDIT: Roughy subbed out.

[LostDoggy]

Hey how many goals have Jones kicked this year?
Anyone

5 goals, 5 points. :)

(not including todays game)

[Rance Fan]

Jones 1 disposal in 1st half!

[Eastdog]

Speaking of Jones lining up for goal. One strength of Jones is his contested mark.

[Greystache]

Jones 1 disposal in 1st half!

Contested mark and goal to start the second.

[Rance Fan]

Yeh! Mark n goal Jones.

Roughy subbed out

[azabob]

Libba subbed in. Waiting to see who's got the red vest.

Have they told us yet?

[LostDoggy]

Libba subbed in. Waiting to see who's got the red vest.

EDIT: Roughy subbed out.

Roughead Subbed off

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[AndrewP6]

Have they told us yet?

Roughy.

[Rocco Jones]

Roughy subbed out. Hopefully it's a sign we won't go with Will, Cordy and Roughy in the same side for awhile.

[azabob]

Roughy.

Thanks Andrew.

[Rocco Jones]

Roughy subbed out. Hopefully it's a sign we won't go with Will, Cordy and Roughy in the same side for awhile.

That is assuming Markovic is right btw. Do not like the look of Austin...

[azabob]

Roughy subbed out. Hopefully it's a sign we won't go with Will, Cordy and Roughy in the same side for awhile.

Roughead could be injured. We have gone very early otherwise.

[Greystache]

Dahlhaus nice finish.

Agree he doesn't look to be moving as freely today.

[Rance Fan]

nice goal DJ!

[Greystache]

Wallis looks a lot more comfortable with the pace of the game all of a sudden. He's starting to utilize his smarts rather than being panicked when he gets the ball.

[Eastdog]

A bit more comfortable now as DJ goals.

[Eastdog]

Libba 6 disposals which is a good effort since coming on as a sub. Jones marks again.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

that was awesome from Griff

[Greystache]

How can a player like Higgins, who was an elite shot for goal when drafted, spend 6 years as a professional footballer and now be lucky to score when kicking at goal?*!

[Ghost Dog]

Higgins! Shocking misses. Dominating but no reward

[angelopetraglia]

They are better than us at moving the ball in transition. We used to be the best in the league at doing that. We are now the worst.

[Rance Fan]

Grant in back half.!

Whats a deer with no eyes - no eye deer
Whats a deer with no eyes n legs - still no eye deer <--- see Grant in back half

[azabob]

Who is picking up Jeremy Cameron?

[bornadog]

I love Picken

[Greystache]

Wow Picken is smart around goal, I'd love to see him play forward more.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Everytime we bomb it into the 50...they get the ball and all our players just stop
Im struggling to work out how we beat melbourne last week

[Ghost Dog]

Liam pickegreat snap

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Wow Picken is smart around goal, I'd love to see him play forward more.

do you want to take that back now??

[AndrewP6]

Picken marks on the end of a nice kick from Lake inside 50. Then plays on....:confused::confused:

[Rocco Jones]

Wow Picken is smart around goal, I'd love to see him play forward more.

There he goes and does that.... but I still agree.

[Go_Dogs]

Jones took a couple of nice marks in the 3rd, hopefully he can get on the end of a couple more in the last.

We've been very wasteful and made some strange decisions in the forward half today. We really need some poise forward of centre.

[Scraggers]

I don't want to get political here, but with our current leader maybe the Prime Minister's Cup is the most appropriate name for this game ... Very average skill from both sides.

[bornadog]

I don't want to get political here, but with our current leader maybe the Prime Minister's Cup is the most appropriate name for this game ... Very average skill from both sides.

Yeah you are right don't go there..... Hehe

[F'scary]

I don't want to get political here, but with our current leader maybe the Prime Minister's Cup is the most appropriate name for this game ... Very average skill from both sides.

What did we do to deserve the honour of playing in the Prime Minister's Cup? Oh wait...

[azabob]

I don't want to get political here, but with our current leader maybe the Prime Minister's Cup is the most appropriate name for this game ... Very average skill from both sides.

Then why open up the possibility of a discussion?

[bornadog]

How good is Libba

[GVGjr]

How good was that handball by Liberatore?

[Eastdog]

Let's really kick away from here and finish strongly.

[Scraggers]

Second time I've used the word today ... Deplorable umpiring !!

[F'scary]

I don't want to get political here, but with our current leader maybe the Prime Minister's Cup is the most appropriate name for this game ... Very average skill from both sides.

does this mean she is also #1 ticket holder at GWS?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

i haven't agreed with any of the calls for Jones to be dropped but after today's effort i now agree. He needs a spell

[EasternWest]

Geez I love Dahlhaus.

[Eastdog]

Geez I love Dahlhaus.

He's great and has that excitement factor.

[Scraggers]

Ward took his eyes off the ball ... Deliberately tried to hurt Dahlhaus ... Should have been reported !!

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Ward took his eyes off the ball ... Deliberately tried to hurt Dahlhaus ... Should have been reported !!

and silverback Dunstall's 1st thought was it wasn't a free kick

[Eastdog]

Griff career high of 36 possessions.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

im not impressed that we decided to shut up shop with 10minutes left

[Mantis]

Ward took his eyes off the ball ... Deliberately tried to hurt Dahlhaus ... Should have been reported !!

You've got to be kidding.

Ward had no time to react, free kick = yes, reportable = not a chance.

[Ghost Dog]

Awful. Being shown a lesson by a gassed out gws

[Eastdog]

We have definitely taken the foot off the pedal at least get the margin above 46 pts.

[Mantis]

We have definitely taken the foot off the pedal at least get the margin above 46 pts.

Why is the no.46 important?

[Eastdog]

Why is the no.46 important?

Adelaide beat GWS by 46 last week.

[azabob]

Why is the no.46 important?

I think Eastdog is referring to GWS lowest losing margin is 45 points

[Eastdog]

I think Eastdog is referring to GWS lowest losing margin is 45 points

Thanks azabob.

[angelopetraglia]

How good is Jeremy Cameron going to be? Star in the making.

[Scraggers]

You've got to be kidding.

Ward had no time to react, free kick = yes, reportable = not a chance.

No I'm not kidding ... He had one intent and that was to hurt Dahlhaus. It was never about protecting himself, he took his eyes off the ball then shaped to cause injury.

[angelopetraglia]

No I'm not kidding ... He had one intent and that was to hurt Dahlhaus. It was never about protecting himself, he took his eyes off the ball then shaped to cause injury.

Agree. Could have been very dangerous if Dalhaus landed differently. Ward went the man and not the ball from a long way out.

[EasternWest]

How good is Jeremy Cameron going to be? Star in the making.

Good hands, good kick, leads to the right places. A lot to like.

[Eastdog]

2 wins in a row. We just got the job done.

[F'scary]

final score 104 to 62. 42 points. Not bad I suppose considering it was played at a neutral ground interstate.

[angelopetraglia]

That was our worst performance for the year. We were worse than the StKilda game at certain stages. Some big issues;

-our skill level is deplorable
-we can't hit a target to save ourselves
-zero spread, GWS spread much better than us
-we don't appear to run harder enough (is that a mind set or conditioning?)
-non functioning forward line

It's going to be a long, dark winter for us .....

[LostDoggy]

2 wins in a row. We just got the job done.

Another ugly game , just need to re-group re-cover and re-arm for the Collingwood game , and against the Pies we will need a strong first quarter

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[AndrewP6]

final score 104 to 62. 42 points. Not bad I suppose considering it was played at a neutral ground interstate.

Not bad? We were (are) woeful.

[Mantis]

No I'm not kidding ... He had one intent and that was to hurt Dahlhaus. It was never about protecting himself, he took his eyes off the ball then shaped to cause injury.


Agree. Could have been very dangerous if Dalhaus landed differently. Ward went the man and not the ball from a long way out.

You guys are on drugs.

Ward only took his eyes off the ball at the last second when Luke came into his vision. At this point he went no harder then you would expect a player in his position to go. The incident was made to look worse by Luke's leg action.

[Hotdog60]

That was an absolutely pathetic performance and no Bulldog supporter should be happy with that effort.

Our skills have really dropped off, I kinda wonder if they took GWS seriously and just played for the win.

No happy Jan

[Go_Dogs]

2 wins in a row. We just got the job done.

Ugliest 2 game winning streak ever? A positive is that we did kick 15 goals in 3 quarters. :D

Seriously, still a bit to like today, Cordy and Wallis particularly. Griffen was good, as was Cooney, and the reliable suspects also did their usual thing (Picken, Boyd, Crossy etc). One of Sherman's better games in Dogs colours. Minson was good too.

Couple of tough games ahead now against Collingwood and North.

[bornadog]

That was our worst performance for the year. We were worse than the StKilda game at certain stages. Some big issues;

-our skill level is deplorable
-we can't hit a target to save ourselves
-zero spread, GWS spread much better than us
-we don't appear to run harder enough (is that a mind set or conditioning?)
-non functioning forward line

It's going to be a long, dark winter for us .....

The worst?

You obviously didnt watch the Saints game. 2 goals for the game till the 25 min mark of the last quarter

[bornadog]

You guys are on drugs.

Ward only took his eyes off the ball at the last second when Luke came into his vision. At this point he went no harder then you would expect a player in his position to go. The incident was made to look worse by Luke's leg action.

Ward should have kept his eyes on the ball

[AndrewP6]

im not impressed that we decided to shut up shop with 10minutes left

I'm not impressed we decided to shut up shop at about 1.40 pm

[AndrewP6]

That was the least satisfying win I've seen oin a while. Is there such a thing as a disappointing win?

[bornadog]

Well it wasn't a pretty win, but happy we won.

[Mantis]

Ward should have kept his eyes on the ball

He would have got killed if he did as he would have been completely open.

He showed awareness of his surroundings, but obviously gave away a free kick.

[LostDoggy]

Is there such a thing as a disappointing win?

not with the season the dogs are having. Beggars can't be choosers.

Can someone talk me through Lake today? Was listening to the radio and Drew Morphett (however it is spelt), said "two years ago Lake was all Australian, now he'll struggle to be all western suburbs". Has he been that bad lately?

[Doc26]

We got what it was, a contest between 2 of the bottom 5 teams in the league.

Easton Wood's development is concerning.

Maybe continue with Grant back and give T Hill a go up forward.

[Ghost Dog]

That was the least satisfying win I've seen oin a while. Is there such a thing as a disappointing win?

I have to Agree with you 100% Andrew. That was VFL level at best. Can't believe how easily they got it end to end.

[chef]

not with the season the dogs are having. Beggars can't be choosers.
Can someone talk me through Lake today? Was listening to the radio and Drew Morphett (however it is spelt), said "two years ago Lake was all Australian, now he'll struggle to be all western suburbs". Has he been that bad lately?

Yep, could be our last one for a little while.

[chef]

We got what it was, a contest between 2 of the bottom 5 teams in the league.

Easton Wood's development is concerning.

Maybe continue with Grant back and give T Hill a go up forward.

He was drafted as a very good athlete and a average footy player. Not much has changed and I would be surprised if he's still on our list in a couple of seasons..

[Rocco Jones]

We got what it was, a contest between 2 of the bottom 5 teams in the league.

Easton Wood's development is concerning.

Maybe continue with Grant back and give T Hill a go up forward.

Overselling us a bit there, 2 of the bottom 4.

[always right]

One word...appalling.

[LostDoggy]

Who is picking up Jeremy Cameron?

The 3 umps. 5 goals should have maybe 1 or 2. Free for a push, pushes himself no problem, dropped mark, a handball to Libba is called a throw then a blatant one is ok.

[azabob]

The 3 umps. 5 goals should have maybe 1 or 2. Free for a push, pushes himself no problem, dropped mark, a handball to Libba is called a throw then a blatant one is ok.

Ah ok then!

[LostDoggy]

Given we were terrible in the first quarter, I think we did alright afterward.
The margin was made smaller by some awful pro Giants umpiring.

[LostDoggy]

Can someone talk me through Lake today? Was listening to the radio and Drew Morphett (however it is spelt), said "two years ago Lake was all Australian, now he'll struggle to be all western suburbs". Has he been that bad lately?

Anyone see the game that can answer this?

[Hotdog60]

Lake was just as ordinary as everyone else, he was no different.

Some of his passing was ok and could have set up a goal with some good movement only Picken played on when he should have settled for a shot. Because of the state of the game it's hard to tell on his form, we'll have to wait another week.

[bulldogsman]

Geez, everyone sounds so positive. Should I even bother watching the replay?

[Hotdog60]

Geez, everyone sounds so positive. Should I even bother watching the replay?

You won't get anything exciting out of it. It was truly a scrappy game on both sides and the skills were very poor.

[F'scary]

Not bad? We were (are) woeful.

yep - fair call, I was trying to put a positive perspective to it. The margin doesn't look all that bad on paper but, especially given the opposition, we know our style of play & skills were way below what we were at 2 years ago.

[Rance Fan]

Anyone see the game that can answer this?

Well he still way off his best. As for today well Izzy had the better of him early on!

[Eastdog]

It was if there is such a thing a disappointing win. That first quarter was really bad and in general our skill level was awful. We have really plummeted down from where we were a few years ago.

[FrediKanoute]

I haven't watched it yet, but will and will post some comments, bur from what people are describing it sounds much like what we have dished up thus far this year......which from a positive perspective at least means that we are consistent.

[G-Mo77]

I'll watch it during the week, glad we weren't the first.

[Eastdog]

I'll watch it during the week, glad we weren't the first.

Thanks goodness for that because then we would have been the biggest news story of the weekend for negative reasons.

[Bulldog4life]

Geez, everyone sounds so positive. Should I even bother watching the replay?

One of the very very few bulldog wins that I won't be watching again!

[comrade]

which from a positive perspective at least means that we are consistent.

This made me grin.

[LostDoggy]

Very uninspiring. It was always going to be a game of few winners.
Out on the full so many times? I think we went down to their level, lots of dogs ambling around.

The ground and coverage was equally poor. Rucciuto shouldn't be there.

The SANFL is a better spectacle than that.

[Eastdog]

How did Hargrave and Roughead pull up after the match.

[azabob]

How did Hargrave and Roughead pull up after the match.

Hargrave didn't play. Not sure if Roughead is injured or not.

[Eastdog]

Hargrave didn't play. Not sure if Roughead is injured or not.

Thanks for that.

[azabob]

Thanks for that.

Hargrave should be right to play next week according to the coach.

[Eastdog]

Hargrave should be right to play next week according to the coach.

What injury did Hargrave have?

[azabob]

What injury did Hargrave have?

McCartney said he was tight in his hip, whatever that means.

[Eastdog]

McCartney said he was tight in his hip, whatever that means.

Maybe he wanted to rest him for the match today and have him right and ready to go next week for the Pies.

[ReLoad]

I'm just very thankful that im leaving the country 2 hours before the collingwood game, that will be amazingly ugly.

Dahlhouse is excluded from this, but we seriously do not have a potential match winner in our side. there is nobody on our list who even looks like becoming a superstar. Some honest tryers yes, but matchwinners? No.

Continuing to persist with known spuds on our list isnt going to get us anywhere, lets just hope the massive broom sweeps through ASAP. Its time to play Hill, Talia, Campbell etc. because we cannot play any worse than we already are. We have nothing to lose and only to gain, these kids need game time. Grant, Addison, Higgins etc do not. (as well as the other list cloggers; hooper, mulligan, moles etc)

[Ghost Dog]

I'm just very thankful that im leaving the country 2 hours before the collingwood game, that will be amazingly ugly.

Dahlhouse is excluded from this, but we seriously do not have a potential match winner in our side. there is nobody on our list who even looks like becoming a superstar. Some honest tryers yes, but matchwinners? No.

Continuing to persist with known spuds on our list isnt going to get us anywhere, lets just hope the massive broom sweeps through ASAP. Its time to play Hill, Talia, Campbell etc. because we cannot play any worse than we already are. We have nothing to lose and only to gain, these kids need game time. Grant, Addison, Higgins etc do not. (as well as the other list cloggers; hooper, mulligan, moles etc)

Liam Jones took some great contested marks. If he could only kick straight. Potential superstar IMO

[jeemak]

Lake was just as ordinary as everyone else, he was no different.

Some of his passing was ok and could have set up a goal with some good movement only Picken played on when he should have settled for a shot. Because of the state of the game it's hard to tell on his form, we'll have to wait another week.

I nearly smashed my TV when this happened. It was very very annoying to see picken attempt to play on boundary side when settling was clearly the best option.

Lake struggled today, as did a lot of our players. He's coming from a long way back mentally, though I hope it will only take a couple of good games strung together to get him back in to some form.

BTW - Nobody should listen to Drew Morphet. He's a fool.

[Eastdog]

Liam Jones took some great contested marks. If he could only kick straight. Potential superstar IMO

That is the part of his game he needs to get better in. If he does get better at his kicking he will be a great player. I said in a post a while back that he is very much like Travis Cloke in that his kicking also isn't crash hot but his marking is very good.

[AndrewP6]

I just got done watching the match, recorded it today. Had to go out, usually I'm unhappy about that, but I didn't mind so much today. :eek:

[FrediKanoute]

This made me grin.

I try :D

On a slightly serious note though, I think the drastic drop off in skill we are seeing this year is in large part due to the emphasis of getting bodies around the ball. The congestion close in makes clean handling and use difficult. I suspect though that this is something BMac is happy to accept, because the pressure it brings though ugly, once learnt will mean that the opposition will have to play at a similar intensity in order to compete.

[Ghost Dog]

I try :D

On a slightly serious note though, I think the drastic drop off in skill we are seeing this year is in large part due to the emphasis of getting bodies around the ball. The congestion close in makes clean handling and use difficult. I suspect though that this is something BMac is happy to accept, because the pressure it brings though ugly, once learnt will mean that the opposition will have to play at a similar intensity in order to compete.

How much pressure was there on the GWS kids today? Jogged down into our 50 and some of them didn't even look like they were breaking a sweat.

[bornadog]

not with the season the dogs are having. Beggars can't be choosers.

Can someone talk me through Lake today? Was listening to the radio and Drew Morphett (however it is spelt), said "two years ago Lake was all Australian, now he'll struggle to be all western suburbs". Has he been that bad lately?

Lake was ok today with 22 disposals, some nice run and carry and some good marking. The ball didn't travel much into the GWS forward line after quarter time so Lake, Murphy didn't have much to do.

[LostDoggy]

Sam Reid got some nice career bests.

[Desipura]

Lake was ok today with 22 disposals, some nice run and carry and some good marking. The ball didn't travel much into the GWS forward line after quarter time so Lake, Murphy didn't have much to do.
Well then why didnt the coach move Murphy forward? I think you are being kind to Murphy, he was beaten by Townsend.

[Greystache]

Sam Reid got some nice career bests.

He has a pretty low starting base.

[azabob]

Sam Reid got some nice career bests.


He has a pretty low starting base.

Also we must keep in mind this was his first game of the year in a first year team. I love Reid's attitude and commitment but he is no different to Cross, Smith, Liberatore, Addison and Wallis except for the fact he'd be behind them all in the pecking order.

[Raw Toast]

Continuing to persist with known spuds on our list isnt going to get us anywhere, lets just hope the massive broom sweeps through ASAP. Its time to play Hill, Talia, Campbell etc. because we cannot play any worse than we already are. We have nothing to lose and only to gain, these kids need game time. Grant, Addison, Higgins etc do not. (as well as the other list cloggers; hooper, mulligan, moles etc)

There's a fair few people of this opinion, but I'm very wary of this kind of approach.

Strong teams are built by rewarding form, not just playing all the kids. Josh Kennedy said he had noticed that at Sydney no one gets brought into the side unless they have been knocking the door down.

Contrast this with Melbourne who got rid of their leaders and have struggled with a list of kids who should be much better. It took them 4 weeks to finally start playing at the required intensity, as opposed to us who have at least been playing intense footy for most of the season so far (with the exception of large chunks of the Saints game).

Once someone has done enough to be promoted, they need to be given 3-4 games to prove themselves. But it generally does the kids no good to give them a game when they haven't been playing at a high enough level to deserve it. Let them show they are good enough and then back them in, rather than putting them in too early and letting them be smashed and turned into the new scapegoats. Moreover, Addison has been our best defender so far this year, while Grant has been showing some good signs and Higgins had a decent-ish game.

[Ghost Dog]

There's a fair few people of this opinion, but I'm very wary of this kind of approach.

Strong teams are built by rewarding form, not just playing all the kids. Josh Kennedy said he had noticed that at Sydney no one gets brought into the side unless they have been knocking the door down.

Contrast this with Melbourne who got rid of their leaders and have struggled with a list of kids who should be much better. It took them 4 weeks to finally start playing at the required intensity, as opposed to us who have at least been playing intense footy for most of the season so far (with the exception of large chunks of the Saints game).

Once someone has done enough to be promoted, they need to be given 3-4 games to prove themselves. But it generally does the kids no good to give them a game when they haven't been playing at a high enough level to deserve it. Let them show they are good enough and then back them in, rather than putting them in too early and letting them be smashed and turned into the new scapegoats. Moreover, Addison has been our best defender so far this year, while Grant has been showing some good signs and Higgins had a decent-ish game.

Did you catch us against GWS? Was so bad I was wondering where Phil Cleary was at half time in his dry-as-a bone. That was until I realized I was watching AFL and not VFL.

[G-Mo77]

Lake was ok today with 22 disposals, some nice run and carry and some good marking. The ball didn't travel much into the GWS forward line after quarter time so Lake, Murphy didn't have much to do.

Didn't rate Lake's game at all, happy with the stats for SC purposes but thought he was quite poor overall. He's got to do more considering he's the leader down back.

This was a really tough game to sit through. I actually forced myself to sit there and watch the whole game yesterday I would have been better off doing something else. I hope it's just the case of a poor team dragging us down to their level but we're not that great anyway. :o

It's going to be tough sitting at the Dome Friday night. I think it's going to be a really long night.

[bornadog]

Didn't rate Lake's game at all, happy with the stats for SC purposes but thought he was quite poor overall. He's got to do more considering he's the leader down back.

This was a really tough game to sit through. I actually forced myself to sit there and watch the whole game yesterday I would have been better off doing something else. I hope it's just the case of a poor team dragging us down to their level but we're not that great anyway. :o

It's going to be tough sitting at the Dome Friday night. I think it's going to be a really long night.

My point is that GWS only had 37 inside 50's, ie 9 per quarter and Lake had 22 disposals or almost 6 per quarter, so he repelled most of their attacks. (in theory, some disposals were gained outside their 50).

Agree Lakes first quarter was poor, but after that he was ok.

As for Friday night, I may end up leaving mid way through the last quarter, something I have never done:o

[LostDoggy]

As for Friday night, I may end up leaving mid way through the last quarter, something I have never done:o

Just two and a bit years ago we were on opposite sides of the Prelim draw from the Pies and should have made the GF while they were losing to Geelong. Just a year and a bit ago we were again on either side of the Prelim draw, only this time they actually made it past Geelong while we once again fell down to the Saints.

How do we go from that to 18 months later and we're scared shitless that they'll kick a cricket score against us?

I'm still baffled by how quickly we've fallen off the pace.

[LongWait]

Just two and a bit years ago we were on opposite sides of the Prelim draw from the Pies and should have made the GF while they were losing to Geelong. Just a year and a bit ago we were again on either side of the Prelim draw, only this time they actually made it past Geelong while we once again fell down to the Saints.

How do we go from that to 18 months later and we're scared shitless that they'll kick a cricket score against us?

I'm still baffled by how quickly we've fallen off the pace.

You shouldn't be - we've traded so many draft picks for players over the past few years and, whilst some were good for a couple of years (Hall, Akermanis, the Beard) we have received very little return from our "mature" traded players this this year. If we had kept all of our picks and instead drafted 18 year olds I'll bet we would be in much better shape this year. We gambled and lost.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Just two and a bit years ago we were on opposite sides of the Prelim draw from the Pies and should have made the GF while they were losing to Geelong. Just a year and a bit ago we were again on either side of the Prelim draw, only this time they actually made it past Geelong while we once again fell down to the Saints.

How do we go from that to 18 months later and we're scared shitless that they'll kick a cricket score against us?

I'm still baffled by how quickly we've fallen off the pace.

A lot changes in two years though.

West Coke couldn't even beat themselves; now they are the best side in the competition.

We were 'up' for a while and weren't good enough. Time to rebuild for another (and hopefully better) crack at it in 3 or so years time.