Match Committee- Round 13 vs Brisbane Lions

[Greystache]

If you were on the match committee what changes would you make for the game against Brisbane Lions at Etihad on Saturday afternoon?

A brief explanation for your changes as always would be good.

[GVGjr]

Smith for Hargrave because we need Shaggy back is the only change I would make.

[bornadog]

Smith for Hargrave because we need Shaggy back is the only change I would make.

Agreed, can't see any other changes.

[LostDoggy]

Id like to see a bit more pace at the expense of a tall but I don't see it happening.

[GVGjr]

Id like to see a bit more pace at the expense of a tall but I don't see it happening.

Same here but it's bloody hard to drop someone.

[Topdog]

Have a feeling Libba will miss 1 week. He seemed to be quite hurt. So just Hargy for him on that assumption

[azabob]

Id like to see a bit more pace at the expense of a tall but I don't see it happening.


Same here but it's bloody hard to drop someone.

I'm ok with us playing Minson, Cordy, Jones and Roughead in a few years we will be glad.

For arguments sake who with pace could we bring in?

[GVGjr]

I'm ok with us playing Minson, Cordy, Jones and Roughead in a few years we will be glad.

For arguments sake who with pace could we bring in?

Djerrkura and Moles would be in the mix.

[azabob]

Djerrkura and Moles would be in the mix.

Different types of players one plays more forward doesn't get too much of it where as Moles plays in the midfield who always seems to get plenty of it, both suspect with their disposal.

Hopefully Moles can string a few good games together as he has shown the ability to run and carry more so than Djerrkura.

[Mantis]

Djerrkura and Moles would be in the mix.

Would Sherman be in the mix too?

[SlimPickens]

If Shaggy is fit he plays for Smith otherwise.

No change.

[GVGjr]

Would Sherman be in the mix too?

He would probably be ahead of them the two I mentioned.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Same here but it's bloody hard to drop someone.

The forward line is still a problem in spite of the good win. We badly lack a crumbing forward with so many talls on the forward line. There were a number of occasions where Cordy and Roughead would fly for the ball without a small player at their feet when the ball came to ground. Neither Gia or Higgins fit the bill in this area. Dahlhaus and Dickson are emerging as our most effective forwards. Cordy certainly looked a lot more assured today and has improved dramatically from 12 months ago. Our delivery into the forward line isn't anywhere near good enough. Dickson is a very smart player and should be played through more often than simply banging the ball forward without any purpose.The easy misses in front for goal by Roughead, Minson and Cordy in the first half would have proved costly against stronger opposition. I still think Djeerkura could be a better option up forward allowing Higgins to move to defence.

[Mantis]

He would probably be ahead of them the two I mentioned.

After being pretty good early on this season he seems, from the outside to be a fair way off at present as he hasn't really set the world on fire for Willi which I feel the MC would have wanted him to.

Shame because our team is screaming out for some of the qualities he posssess.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

The young talls did really well today so it's difficult to drop any of them on their performances.

I still feel we lack run -- part of this can be contributed to Gia and Higgins, who are absolutely null and void when it comes to applying defensive pressure.

I'd drop Higgins for a mid with pace, but I don't see that happening.

[Hotdog60]

The young talls did really well today so it's difficult to drop any of them on their performances.

I still feel we lack run -- part of this can be contributed to Gia and Higgins, who are absolutely null and void when it comes to applying defensive pressure.

I'd drop Higgins for a mid with pace, but I don't see that happening.

Higgins had a reasonable game and one of his better ones for the season. If only he could hang on to the marks he has his opponents cold on and keep his feet more often.

If he could hold his marks he would straight away become a different player.

[LostDoggy]

Higgins had a reasonable game and one of his better ones for the season. If only he could hang on to the marks he has his opponents cold on and keep his feet more often.

If he could hold his marks he would straight away become a different player.

I thought it was one of his better games, played like he had something to prove at times.

How can we get Clays attitude into the body of Grant? That would be some player.

We need Grant or Sherman in the team. Howard must stay for consecutive games, Cordy must stay where he is. Roughhead for a rest?

[always right]

Where is Grant?

[G-Mo77]

Where is Grant?

Played VFL on the weekend. Not sure how he went.

[LostDoggy]

What was wrong with Shaggy?

[LostDoggy]

I thought it was one of his better games, played like he had something to prove at times.

How can we get Clays attitude into the body of Grant? That would be some player.

We need Grant or Sherman in the team. Howard must stay for consecutive games, Cordy must stay where he is. Roughhead for a rest?

How about smith as a permanent forward? We need some zip in our forward 50

[bornadog]

I'd drop Higgins for a mid with pace, but I don't see that happening.

Who is this mid with pace that is knocking on the door?

I thought both Gia and Higgins were very good yesterday and with our forward pressure being applied, there was no need for pace in the forward line as we did a great job holding the ball in.

[bornadog]

What was wrong with Shaggy?

In the press conference Macca said he woke up on Sunday morning feeling very sore after training:eek:

[Ozza]

Agree with the others that Higgins pressure and intensity was a lot better this week, 20 touches and 5 tackles and seemed regularly involved - not flashing in and out of the game. Thought Gia was a lot better than the previous week also (24 touches 7 marks 4 tackles and a goal).

I'd say Libba may get a week's rest. I'd like to see Sherman come in - regardless of how he went at Willy. I wouldn't be rushing Hargrave back in.

[G-Mo77]

I'd say Libba may get a week's rest. I'd like to see Sherman come in - regardless of how he went at Willy. I wouldn't be rushing Hargrave back in.

Unless Libba is injured he stays in. Don't see the point in resting him. He was subbed yesterday because he took a big knock in the 3rd I believe. Pretty sure he took a few more earlier.

[Ozza]

Unless Libba is injured he stays in. Don't see the point in resting him. He was subbed yesterday because he took a big knock in the 3rd I believe. Pretty sure he took a few more earlier.

I don't think they'll take a risk with Libba if he does pull up sore - which is why i'm saying he might miss. He is 100% in our best 22- but Libba is still a kid - and has a pretty big workload - if he's sore I'd prefer they freshen him up for the run of games against the good sides.

[Happy Days]

I'd say Libba may get a week's rest

He had a rest last week?

Smith for Shaggy the only change if at all.

[LostDoggy]

In the press conference Macca said he woke up on Sunday morning feeling very sore after training:eek:

Hmmm. Hopefully he can be back this week.

[DragzLS1]

Gia and Higgens were in alot of it today. Noticed Gia throwing himself over the ball on a few occassions through the mid and applied pressure (as much as Gia can). Thought they both were great today :)

Cordy is looking very confortable up forward and is looking more promising by every game he plays. Him and Jones may be very dangerous in the coming years ;)

I wouldnt have any changes unless somebody pulls up sore. We had the bye last week and should be fresh for this game against Brisbane. Especially after the Hawks game them a tough game in the wet ;)

Minson vs Huddo! Cant wait!

[Happy Days]

Anyone else think Jones' role yesterday was slightly different to the one he's been playing? Seemed to play much further up from goal than he has been, really let us space the field better and left Cordy, who appears to be better body on body than Liam, one out a lot more. It helps that his field kicking appears markedly better. He's still running under the ball in contests too often, but playing this way could give him some easy ball, something he struggles with, and therefore some confidence.

I think there's room for the 3 bigs if Jones plays this way.

[jeemak]

Who is this mid with pace that is knocking on the door?

I thought both Gia and Higgins were very good yesterday and with our forward pressure being applied, there was no need for pace in the forward line as we did a great job holding the ball in.

I have been critical of each over the last couple of week's, though they were both involved heavily throughout the day yesterday and contributed well.

They need to back it up for a few weeks now, consecutive solid games will do the world of good for their psyche.

[bornadog]

Agree with the others that Higgins pressure and intensity was a lot better this week, 20 touches and 5 tackles and seemed regularly involved - not flashing in and out of the game..

12 of those were contested.

[Ozza]

12 of those were contested.

Yeah I just had a look at the stats....interesting to note Higgins had the most 'pressure acts' for the team. And Gia had the most score involvements (10).

[G-Mo77]

Yeah I just had a look at the stats....interesting to note Higgins had the most 'pressure acts' for the team. And Gia had the most score involvements (10).

Both were dismal according to a lot of the supporters yesterday.

[DragzLS1]

Both were dismal according to a lot of the supporters yesterday.

Would only expect this from alot of the supporters.. Nothing new and clearly dont have a clue tbh

[Greystache]

Yeah I just had a look at the stats....interesting to note Higgins had the most 'pressure acts' for the team. And Gia had the most score involvements (10).

Both were very good. I still feel having both in the forward line unbalances us, but when they play well it's less of an issue. Both of them played further up the ground yesterday which I think worked well. I nearly had Higgins in my votes, and Gia was only a little further back.

[always right]

Thought Higgins was excellent yesterday and Gia more than serviceable. We do need however to remember that we were playing against a very poor side who had no-one in their backline capable of running off our blokes and setting up play like Bob Murphy was able to.

There were times yesterday in the first half where Port players simply sat ahead of the pack in general play knowing that once the ball came out to them, there was no-one from our side capable of catching them. Fortunately we won most of the stoppages but against a better side, pace is still our achilles heel. Nothing more disheartening watching an opposition player running through the middle towards goal with Crossy and Libba in pursuit. They never give up but you know they're never going to catch them.

If Libba has pulled up sore, we need to replace him with some pace next week. He copped a battering yesterday.

[bornadog]

Thought Higgins was excellent yesterday and Gia more than serviceable. We do need however to remember that we were playing against a very poor side who had no-one in their backline capable of running off our blokes and setting up play like Bob Murphy was able to.

There were times yesterday in the first half where Port players simply sat ahead of the pack in general play knowing that once the ball came out to them, there was no-one from our side capable of catching them. Fortunately we won most of the stoppages but against a better side, pace is still our achilles heel. Nothing more disheartening watching an opposition player running through the middle towards goal with Crossy and Libba in pursuit. They never give up but you know they're never going to catch them.

If Libba has pulled up sore, we need to replace him with some pace next week. He copped a battering yesterday.

I thought playing Cooney in the forward line was great. He used his pace several times to put pressure on the Port backman.

[westbulldog]

no change unless someone is injured.

[Dazza]

I'm still not sold on the 3 talls up forward but happy to be proven wrong. Also happy to get games into all 3.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

I'm still not sold on the 3 talls up forward but happy to be proven wrong. Also happy to get games into all 3.

I agree. Our forward line still looks unbalanced with the 3 talls. Still to be convinced about Jones being in the line up. I fancy he would be better off going back to Williamstown and played at centre half back to learn how forwards should play. His aerial skills and poor goal kicking doesn't inspire a lot of confidence going forward.

[Mantis]

I agree. Our forward line still looks unbalanced with the 3 talls. Still to be convinced about Jones being in the line up. I fancy he would be better off going back to Williamstown and played at centre half back to learn how forwards should play. His aerial skills and poor goal kicking doesn't inspire a lot of confidence going forward.

Jones's goal kicking >>>> Roughy's goal-kicking

[G-Mo77]

So Will is out this week do we bring in Campbell or let Roughy and Cordy take the reigns for a week?

[LostDoggy]

I agree. Our forward line still looks unbalanced with the 3 talls. Still to be convinced about Jones being in the line up. I fancy he would be better off going back to Williamstown and played at centre half back to learn how forwards should play. His aerial skills and poor goal kicking doesn't inspire a lot of confidence going forward.

How did Cordy and Roughead of a sudden become better than Jones?

Cordy took 6 mark(Jones has been doing that for ages), kicked 2 but missed a sitter.
Roughead dropped a chest mark and missed a couple of easy chances.

20 game rule.

[BulldogBelle]

Thanks AFL. I was genuinely looking forward to Minson vs Hudson. Funnily enough, how much of a jibe is Huddo gonna give the boys now. Might even get himself suspended ;)

[bornadog]

Out Minson

In: Campbell.

[Scraggers]

Out Minson

In: Campbell.

Agreed ... Elevate him off the rookie list.

[SlimPickens]

Out Minson

In: Campbell.

Yep, think it's time to unleash Campbell.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Out Minson

In: Campbell.

BMcC has been keen to elevate Campbell after round 11 so now is his chance. It will also be good to see Roughead given more time as a ruckman.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Jones's goal kicking >>>> Roughy's goal-kicking

Roughead has the added advantage of being played as a ruckman which now becomes significant with the loss of Minson.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

How did Cordy and Roughead of a sudden become better than Jones?

Cordy took 6 mark(Jones has been doing that for ages), kicked 2 but missed a sitter.
Roughead dropped a chest mark and missed a couple of easy chances.

20 game rule.

It comes down to a matter of opinion. Jones has been very ordinary this year and averages one goal a game which isn't good enough for a key forward. Cordy's improvement has been better than Jones. We need Roughead in the side as a back up ruckman and without Minson this week will become our number one ruckman.

[Bulldog4life]

In: Panos
Out: Minson

I would like to see Panos get a game. With Roughead and Cordy sharing the ruck duties there is a place for him in the forward line. He can also play back if needed.

[Cyberdoggie]

How does promoting Campbell for a single game achieve anything?

Surely we put faith in Roughead to do the job, half the reason we gave Huddo the flick was to give Roughead more of a shot because he's the future.

Apart from his goal kicking Roughead has been improving nicely this year, his attack on the ball is far better and he's showing a bit of skill at times.

I understand we are all keen to see Campbell based on one pre-season game but i really don't think it's necessary to waste money on promoting the guy for one game against Brisbane.

Anyway back to the thread title, i'd like to see Panos get a game or we bring in Smith and sub Sherman. Give Shaggy another week off if he's still sore.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I'm a fan of Campbell but I think this gives us an opportunity to bring in a running player. If Hargrave doesn't return, perhaps Smith gets a full game and we bring in Sherman or Veszpremi.

I would consider Moles as a sub, too.

[Greystache]

How does promoting Campbell for a single game achieve anything?

Surely we put faith in Roughead to do the job, half the reason we gave Huddo the flick was to give Roughead more of a shot because he's the future.

Apart from his goal kicking Roughead has been improving nicely this year, his attack on the ball is far better and he's showing a bit of skill at times.

I understand we are all keen to see Campbell based on one pre-season game but i really don't think it's necessary to waste money on promoting the guy for one game against Brisbane.

Anyway back to the thread title, i'd like to see Panos get a game or we bring in Smith and sub Sherman. Give Shaggy another week off if he's still sore.

McCartney has said numerous times, including in a post-game interview this week that he sees Roughead as a long term key defender. He also specifically mentioned Campbell as a back up ruckman on our list. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be promoted this week and even given an extended run, the coach clearly really rates him.

[LostDoggy]

McCartney has said numerous times, including in a post-game interview this week that he sees Roughead as a long term key defender. He also specifically mentioned Campbell as a back up ruckman on our list. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be promoted this week and even given an extended run, the coach clearly really rates him.
Why doesn't he play him there then?

[bornadog]

I'm a fan of Campbell but I think this gives us an opportunity to bring in a running player. If Hargrave doesn't return, perhaps Smith gets a full game and we bring in Sherman or Veszpremi.

I would consider Moles as a sub, too.

The coach has been playing Minson and Roughead as rucks. One is out so will he bring in another ruckman as a replacement, or will Ayce move from a forward to a ruck role?

[ledge]

Thanks AFL. I was genuinely looking forward to Minson vs Hudson. Funnily enough, how much of a jibe is Huddo gonna give the boys now. Might even get himself suspended ;)

It wasnt the AFL it was the club who suspended him.

[BulldogBelle]

It's the knowledge that the AFL inconsistently and overreactively deals out punishment, and the current monopoly of the slime in the media that suspended him.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

The coach has been playing Minson and Roughead as rucks. One is out so will he bring in another ruckman as a replacement, or will Ayce move from a forward to a ruck role?

I would have Ayce take care of some ruck duties, especially as it's only for one week and against Brisbane, but I can understand the merit in bringing Campbell into the side. I wouldn't be unhappy to see him play, I just think run is more of a priority for us.

[strebla]

I would have Ayce take care of some ruck duties, especially as it's only for one week and against Brisbane, but I can understand the merit in bringing Campbell into the side. I wouldn't be unhappy to see him play, I just think run is more of a priority for us.

Hate to disagree but I don't want Roughie or Cordy up against Huddo he will pound away at them like an anvil.

[DragzLS1]

I think Roughead has to play no.1 ruck role so we can see where he is at and Cordy can pinch hit. Our mids are better then Brisbanes and should win the clearances anyway but would depend on wether or not Roughy get come close to breaking even with Huddo.

Damn it! Was really looking forward to Minson taking on Huddo! :(

[G-Mo77]

Well Campbell has officially been elevated so I'd expect to see him in the team Saturday.

[Cyberdoggie]

Well Campbell has officially been elevated so I'd expect to see him in the team Saturday.

Yeah it's official.

Campbell elevated from rookie list (http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/139043/default.aspx)

Looks like Morris's injury is still no good and he'll be out for the year.
Probably a good move, Badly broken legs are an awful injury and you rarely get back the next year without complications.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

My question is, will Campbell get games after this week and if so who will he dislodge?

If the answer is no (or unlikely), I'm not sure upgrading him is a great move.

[bornadog]

My question is, will Campbell get games after this week and if so who will he dislodge?

If the answer is no (or unlikely), I'm not sure upgrading him is a great move.

What is the issue if he is upgraded? It doesn't mean he has to be on our list next year. Isn't the upgrade just for this year and if we want him on the senior list in 2013, we would have to give up a pick?

[Sockeye Salmon]

What is the issue if he is upgraded? It doesn't mean he has to be on our list next year. Isn't the upgrade just for this year and if we want him on the senior list in 2013, we would have to give up a pick?

He will be though.

[DragzLS1]

I think possibly can rotate games into Roughy, Cordy and Cambell through out the remainder of the season but only think Cambell will get another 3 games to get a taste.

Would have liked Roughy to have a good go against Huddo and see how he went

[Desipura]

What is the issue if he is upgraded? It doesn't mean he has to be on our list next year. Isn't the upgrade just for this year and if we want him on the senior list in 2013, we would have to give up a pick?
Beg to differ, Campbell will be offered a contract by seasons end.

[Greystache]

What is the issue if he is upgraded? It doesn't mean he has to be on our list next year. Isn't the upgrade just for this year and if we want him on the senior list in 2013, we would have to give up a pick?

That's correct, the promotion is until then end of the season or when the player returns off the LTI, which ever comes first. If we choose to promote him onto the main list we only need to use a token pick in the draft following our last "active" selection.

[bornadog]

Beg to differ, Campbell will be offered a contract by seasons end.

You misunderstood my post, but Stache didn't :)


That's correct, the promotion is until then end of the season or when the player returns off the LTI, which ever comes first. If we choose to promote him onto the main list we only need to use a token pick in the draft following our last "active" selection.

[Remi Moses]

In Campbell
Out Will ( loose lips)
Good luck Big Tom

[Rocco Jones]

In: Campbell
Out: Minson

An interesting emergency list including Shaggy and Gilbee along with DJ.

[LostDoggy]

Hargrave late inclusion? Or not fit enough still ?

[SlimPickens]

Libba to be the sub?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Libba to be the sub?

Seems pretty likely and I don't mind that, Libba got banged up last week.

[SlimPickens]

Seems pretty likely and I don't mind that, Libba got banged up last week.

Yep he certainly did, wouldn't be surprised if he was a late change to be honest.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Yep he certainly did, wouldn't be surprised if he was a late change to be honest.

I agree with this and wouldn't be surprised if Hargrave is a late inclusion for Liberatore, allowing Smith to retain his position.

[Ghost Dog]

Gilbee? Go figure

[bornadog]

Gilbee? Go figure

I don't understand this post:confused:

[Hotdog60]

Gilbee? Go figure

If Gilbee can still pin point a long pass on to a team mates chest then he can have a place in the side. He just needs to be the player that can spread, receive it and use it. We lack disposal at the moment and if Lindsay can still bring this to the side why not. He's not any slower than the rest of the team at the moment.

[G-Mo77]

Gilbee? Go figure

Are you disputing that he shouldn't even be emergency or do you know something that we don't?

[Ghost Dog]

Just me or every time he kicks the ball these days it's a clanger. also looked very proppy when I saw him play at Willy.
I think his reputation by foot is starting to get ahead of his actual on field performance.

[bulldogsman]

I think his reputation by foot is starting to get ahead of his actual on field performance.

I agree.

From what I've seen of him this year, he's struggled in general play and by foot. I'd like us to persist with the young guys.
I hope we give him a send off game though.

[divvydan]

No late changes, sub is Smith. Green sub for BL.

[Greystache]

No late changes, sub is Smith. Green sub for BL.
I'm a bit surprised by that. That will be 3 weeks in a row that Smith has played less than a full game, and given the battering Libba copped last week I would've thought the sub role would be a good fit for him this week.