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bornadog
29-07-2012, 01:44 PM
For us, I think we need to forget about going for ready made players and just draft kids and develop them over the next few years, although, if we could snag one good a grader, that I would support.


Sydney's rebuild skips years with 2009 off-season recruiting (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/sydneys-rebuild-skips-years-with-2009-off-season-recruiting/story-e6frf9jf-1226437537533)

REBUILDING phases for AFL clubs often last several years. But in 2009, Sydney redefined what can be achieved in one off-season with an honest and accurate assessment of their list's weaknesses and careful homework on who was poachable around the rest of the league.

In what ranks among the most successful recruitment drives of all time, the Swans drafted and traded in Shane Mumford, Josh Kennedy, Sam Reid, Lewis Jetta, Gary Rohan and Ben McGlynn.

Put that six in any list and they'd be a premiership contender.

The Swans finished 12th in 2009, the first time they had missed the finals since 2002. Now they are poised for a crack at the flag and have a core of youngsters who will be stars for the next 10 years.

Sydney's version of bottoming out lasted just the one season.

Then coach Paul Roos said the secret was to identify the club's weaknesses and strengthen them and the rule was to focus on what could be brought into the club, not worry about what the club had to give up.

"We had always been a good inside team, but we specifically went after the outside run," Roos said.

What makes that off-season so remarkable was the Swans orchestrated the perfect scenario when they gave away three premiership players and became a better side.

Barry Hall was a superstar for the club but after a year of disciplinary problems he had run his race, while Amon Buchanan was languishing in the reserves and sought better opportunities elsewhere.

Darren Jolly was a pivotal player in their 2005 premiership and a pillar of the old high-stoppage game that was a Sydney trademark between 2003 and 2009. But when he wanted to return to Melbourne to the support network of family for his wife who had developed post-natal depression, Roos said he knew he had to help him get there.

Jolly was traded to Collingwood for picks 14 and 46, a fair deal considering they'd handed over pick 15 to Melbourne for his services five years earlier.

The way they spent those picks changed the way Sydney played the game. In came the explosive Jetta and hard-running goal sneak McGlynn and suddenly the Swans had pace to burn outside and multiple avenues to goal.

And when the Brisbane Lions expressed interest in Buchanan, the Swans pounced, collecting pick 28, which they promptly passed on to Geelong for Mumford.

Brisbane was also involved with Sydney and West Coast in a complex three-way trade with the Lions and West Coast that saw the Swans receive pick 47 from the Bulldogs for Hall, which they on-traded to Brisbane for pick 39 and used on Kennedy.

In short, the Swans lost Hall, Jolly and Buchanan and got Kennedy, Mumford and Jetta.

As good as 2009 was for the Swans, it was a nightmare for the Lions.

Of those recruited that year, Brendan Fevola and Xavier Clarke are no longer at the club and Buchanan and Brent Staker have not played seniors this year. Only Matt Maguire and Andrew Raines are consistent performers.

LostDoggy
29-07-2012, 03:49 PM
Need an extra 800K in the cap to do it the Sydney way

GVGjr
29-07-2012, 08:44 PM
They are very good with their drafting and trading and just keep improving their list each season.

They have a good list management and development model in place

Ghost Dog
29-07-2012, 08:47 PM
They are very good with their drafting and trading and just keep improving their list each season.

They have a good list management and development model in place

Their 'bloods' culture is to be admired. The way they came out and beat Geelong after the death of JMcV daughter at skilled stadium was a testament to their club.

GVGjr
29-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Their 'bloods' culture is to be admired. The way they came out and beat Geelong after the death of JMcV daughter at skilled stadium was a testament to their club.

They do a lot of things right because they have to. If they bottomed out like we have they wouldn't draw a crowd.

mjp
29-07-2012, 08:49 PM
The whole 'Bloods' culture is amazing.

Are we still using Leading Teams because everything seems to be a bit quiet on that front.

Sedat
29-07-2012, 09:03 PM
They do a lot of things right because they have to. If they bottomed out like we have they wouldn't draw a crowd.We're not drawing a crowd either at the moment. I went today and of the 23,495 in attendance, I reckon we had 495 Dogs supporters in the crowd. It felt like a St Kilda home game against interstate opposition.

Back on topic, the Swans certainly are exceptional at list management. They are also very good at player development.

Ghost Dog
30-07-2012, 12:04 AM
They do a lot of things right because they have to. If they bottomed out like we have they wouldn't draw a crowd.

So what's with us? Are we the centerlink clients of the AFL?

LostDoggy
30-07-2012, 01:56 PM
Their 'bloods' culture is to be admired. The way they came out and beat Geelong after the death of JMcV daughter at skilled stadium was a testament to their club.

That was one of the greatest things I've ever seen a group of players do for one of their own. Watershed moment.

Pickenitup
30-07-2012, 07:42 PM
Def think we have to build our own but Target players with a need and who Can Play.
Gumbleton would be one we Need to target when Hurley Ryder Crameri are Fit and next year
when they Draft young Daniher he might struggle to get a game.
The boy can play Trade a Second Rounder for him might get it done.

Remi Moses
30-07-2012, 07:45 PM
Def think we have to build our own but Target players with a need and who Can Play.
Gumbleton would be one we Need to target when Hurley Ryder Crameri are Fit and next year
when they Draft young Daniher he might struggle to get a game.
The boy can play Trade a Second Rounder for him might get it done.

Essendon will want a first rounder for him, you watch.

Desipura
30-07-2012, 07:56 PM
Essendon will want a first rounder for him, you watch.

10 clubs have expressed interest in him, this was before he had kicked 4 goals on the weekend. Given BMac was at Essendon last year, Im fairly confident we would be one club interested in him.
Too risky to give a 1st rounder for him given his injuries. I would say no.

azabob
30-07-2012, 08:08 PM
Essendon will want a first rounder for him, you watch.


10 clubs have expressed interest in him, this was before he had kicked 4 goals on the weekend. Given BMac was at Essendon last year, Im fairly confident we would be one club interested in him.
Too risky to give a 1st rounder for him given his injuries. I would say no.

Yep, first rounder for sure especially considering they will have to use a first rounder on Joe Daniher.

Perhaps BMac doesn't rate him?

chef
30-07-2012, 08:10 PM
10 clubs have expressed interest in him, this was before he had kicked 4 goals on the weekend. Given BMac was at Essendon last year, Im fairly confident we would be one club interested in him.
Too risky to give a 1st rounder for him given his injuries. I would say no.

Especially with our first rounder being picks 5 & 6.

chef
30-07-2012, 08:10 PM
Yep, first rounder for sure especially considering they will have to use a first rounder on Joe Daniher.

Perhaps BMac doesn't rate him?

Does he crack in?

Remi Moses
30-07-2012, 08:12 PM
10 clubs have expressed interest in him, this was before he had kicked 4 goals on the weekend. Given BMac was at Essendon last year, Im fairly confident we would be one club interested in him.
Too risky to give a 1st rounder for him given his injuries. I would say no.

Not a hope in hell they'd get a first rounder for him

SlimPickens
30-07-2012, 08:19 PM
The player I'd be gunning for is Jeremy Cameron... Class kid and yet to sign I believe.

azabob
30-07-2012, 08:22 PM
The player I'd be gunning for is Jeremy Cameron... Class kid and yet to sign I believe.

Interesting if true, hopefully we are onto that one.

Pickenitup
30-07-2012, 08:30 PM
Cameron is out of contract end of next year we are no chance of getting him.
I bet the Pies will be on to him for sure.
I think Essendon will know they cant get a first rounder for Gumbleton considering his injuries
Second Rounder is very fair imo.
Get it done Doggies

AndrewP6
30-07-2012, 08:52 PM
2nd rounder for Gumby sounds accurate, but can he get on the park? Last thing we need is another Gold Card customer for the Medical Room.

GVGjr
30-07-2012, 08:54 PM
10 clubs have expressed interest in him, this was before he had kicked 4 goals on the weekend. Given BMac was at Essendon last year, Im fairly confident we would be one club interested in him.
Too risky to give a 1st rounder for him given his injuries. I would say no.

His age might work against us being interested.

Grantysghost
30-07-2012, 09:01 PM
North Melbourne don't have any recycled players other than Aaron Edwards an interesting contrast to the Swans. Seems to be coming good for them.

Greystache
30-07-2012, 11:08 PM
The player I'd be gunning for is Jeremy Cameron... Class kid and yet to sign I believe.

Looks a potential gun player, but GWS would want both pick 5 & 6 for him, it's a big gamble.

Greystache
30-07-2012, 11:14 PM
Yep, first rounder for sure especially considering they will have to use a first rounder on Joe Daniher.

Perhaps BMac doesn't rate him?

No way I'd even think about a first rounder for him, I wouldn't give up an early 2nd round for him. I'd offer the Reid pick and if someone wants to offer more then so be it.

His best form shown at AFL level thus far has only been solid and his injury problems are well documented. His goal kicking is also pretty ordinary.

I don't think he gets a game in Essendon's full strength team.

azabob
31-07-2012, 06:18 AM
No way I'd even think about a first rounder for him, I wouldn't give up an early 2nd round for him. I'd offer the Reid pick and if someone wants to offer more then so be it.

His best form shown at AFL level thus far has only been solid and his injury problems are well documented. His goal kicking is also pretty ordinary.

I don't think he gets a game in Essendon's full strength team.

Agree, I wouldn't even entertain the thought.