Jarrad Grant

[EasternWest]

Lets just say that i am closer to Jarrad than anyone on this board and what are "actually" the facts need to be stated so that posters can make comments on what the true position is

If there's one thing I've learnt on the internet it's that people who say things like: "trust me, I know" are invariably keepers of the true secret. It's doubly true when they're challenged to prove their position and get snooty about it.

I guess what I'm saying is shit or get off the pot.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

If there's one thing I've learnt on the internet it's that people who say things like: "trust me, I know" are invariably keepers of the true secret. It's doubly true when they're challenged to prove their position and get snooty about it.

I guess what I'm saying is shit or get off the pot.

Settle down. Take it or leave it. Missy is claiming something of real significance, namely that Grant has not been offered a contract by the Bulldogs. If this is so, it is very relevant and contrary to the claim that he has been offered a one year deal.

[EasternWest]

Settle down. Take it or leave it. Missy is claiming something of real significance, namely that Grant has not been offered a contract by the Bulldogs. If this is so, it is very relevant and contrary to the claim that he has been offered a one year deal.

You settle down. Missy is claiming something without proof and is condescending to those who want proof before continuing what has been a pretty interesting conversation.

I'm actually closer to Jarrad Grant than anyone here, including Missy, and I know for a fact the club has offered him a three year deal. Don't challenge me, just trust me.

Frankly, I'm annoyed that you've chosen to tell me to "settle down" rather than question the validity of the claim.

[Bulldog Joe]

You settle down. Missy is claiming something without proof and is condescending to those who want proof before continuing what has been a pretty interesting conversation.

I'm actually closer to Jarrad Grant than anyone here, including Missy, and I know for a fact the club has offered him a three year deal. Don't challenge me, just trust me.

Frankly, I'm annoyed that you've chosen to tell me to "settle down" rather than question the validity of the claim.

Sorry EW.
I do understand your point and you have a right to be cynical about unsubstantiated claims.
You can choose to believe or disbelieve, but you should also understand that there are people who do actually know more about what is happening.

Missy may or may not be one of those in this instance, but anyone who does have inside knowledge would also be in a difficult position to substantiate that due to privacy issues.

Neither you or I know what Missy may have as a connection. I can only take on face value and over time you simply get to know who is likely to be giving information that is reliable. To my knowledge Missy has not posted anything previously that would label her as suspect.

Personally I am happy that she has been prepared to share what she has.

[Bulldog4life]

Sorry EW.
I do understand your point and you have a right to be cynical about unsubstantiated claims.
You can choose to believe or disbelieve, but you should also understand that there are people who do actually know more about what is happening.

Missy may or may not be one of those in this instance, but anyone who does have inside knowledge would also be in a difficult position to substantiate that due to privacy issues.

Neither you or I know what Missy may have as a connection. I can only take on face value and over time you simply get to know who is likely to be giving information that is reliable. To my knowledge Missy has not posted anything previously that would label her as suspect.

Personally I am happy that she has been prepared to share what she has.

Do you know Missy is a she BJ?

[EasternWest]

Sorry EW.
I do understand your point and you have a right to be cynical about unsubstantiated claims.
You can choose to believe or disbelieve, but you should also understand that there are people who do actually know more about what is happening.

Missy may or may not be one of those in this instance, but anyone who does have inside knowledge would also be in a difficult position to substantiate that due to privacy issues.

Neither you or I know what Missy may have as a connection. I can only take on face value and over time you simply get to know who is likely to be giving information that is reliable. To my knowledge Missy has not posted anything previously that would label her as suspect.

Personally I am happy that she has been prepared to share what she has.

Actually BJ, I would be happy to accept that person does know something. Inside information is what makes boards like this go around. We've got multiple people here with connections to the club, who have proven their credibility over and over. And that's my point.

Anyone can get on here and make declarative statements. I'm happy to take them at face value. I'm not happy that they are so damn smarmy about it.

[KT31]

Lets just say that i am closer to Jarrad than anyone on this board and what are "actually" the facts need to be stated so that posters can make comments on what the true position is

Mum, sister or Conjoined twin ?:)

[Bulldog Joe]

Do you know Missy is a she BJ?

No I don't know anything about Missy.
I am guilty of making the assumption that someone referring to themselves with a feminine name would actually be female.

[bornadog]

The one year contract claim was broadcast on SEN by Ralph. Whether true or not who knows, but he did say Bevo told him Grant decided to exercise his right under Free agency rules.

[Ghost Dog]

Well be nice to Missy. Hopefully we get some more info

[Templeton31]

I am Jarrad Grant's cat and I extra-really know Jarrad has been offered a 17 year deal at 1 million per year. Also he get's the the closest car park to Barkers cafe reserved for him with his name on it and an additional $500K per year paid into his betting account but the AFL won't know about that (the account is in the name of Whiskers Grant) *.

* Note please none of this is true. Meow.

[Greystache]

For what it's worth I would take Missy at face value. And it's him :)

[GVGjr]

Lets just say that i am closer to Jarrad than anyone on this board and what are "actually" the facts need to be stated so that posters can make comments on what the true position is

Missy, I don't doubt you for 1 minute. Anything you could share would be greatly appreciated. Most of us are perplexed why Jarrad, who has come off a very good season, hasn't been made an offer.

[Twodogs]

Missy, I don't doubt you for 1 minute. Anything you could share would be greatly appreciated. Most of us are perplexed why Jarrad, who has come off a very good season, hasn't been made an offer.

And was anything said at the exit interview at the end of the season that lead Jarrad to think he might be in strife? I just can't see an obvious reason why he would play 20 games then not be offered a contract. Especially when he improved so much this year. Is it a non-playing reason maybe?

[ledge]

Maybe he feels he needs a new environment, maybe he has said he wants to look around and see what's out there.
Nothing wrong with that.
Maybe the club has said he might be struggling for a game next year.
Plenty of innocent reasons to why nothing's happened.

[Ghost Dog]

Ghost Dog exclusive. Missy is actually Jarred Grant.

[GVGjr]

And was anything said at the exit interview at the end of the season that lead Jarrad to think he might be in strife? I just can't see an obvious reason why he would play 20 games then not be offered a contract. Especially when he improved so much this year. Is it a non-playing reason maybe?

One other question I would ask is if Missy thinks Grant could play in the same team as Carlisle?

[GVGjr]

Actually BJ, I would be happy to accept that person does know something. Inside information is what makes boards like this go around. We've got multiple people here with connections to the club, who have proven their credibility over and over. And that's my point.

Anyone can get on here and make declarative statements. I'm happy to take them at face value. I'm not happy that they are so damn smarmy about it.

I take a slight different view, someone joins the forum in early July and makes their first contribution some 10 weeks later is clearly someone who isn't prone to big noting themselves otherwise they would have done so on day one. I also didn't find what Missy said as condescending either. Direct and to the point but not condescending.

My guess is Missy has been reading this thread since joining and has tried to provide some clarity to the the comments today over if Jarrad has been offered a deal or not by the club. I now hope Missy takes the time to answer the questions that a few of us have asked.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

A question I'd like to ask Missy is whether Jarrad is keen to stay or whether he is equally attracted to exploring other options?

[EasternWest]

I take a slight different view, someone joins the forum in early July and makes their first contribution some 10 weeks later is clearly someone who isn't prone to big noting themselves otherwise they would have done so on day one. I also didn't find what Missy said as condescending either. Direct and to the point but not condescending.

My guess is Missy has been reading this thread since joining and has tried to provide some clarity to the the comments today over if Jarrad has been offered a deal or not by the club. I now hope Missy takes the time to answer the questions that a few of us have asked.

I can't agree with that at all, but I've made my point and you've made yours and there's probably no reason to keep going in circles on it.

[Topdog]

I can't agree with that at all, but I've made my point and you've made yours and there's probably no reason to keep going in circles on it.

I wasn't particular fond of the "Just read" comment but it is a difficult position to be in.

[hujsh]

Speculation: Missy is Pickering.

[boydogs]

Give Missy some breathing space guys. Sharing inside information with us on a public forum should be appreciated

[1eyedog]

Well that all seemed to work out well...

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Frankly, I'm annoyed that you've chosen to tell me to "settle down" rather than question the validity of the claim.

A Harvard professor of philosophy, ironically teaching me Aristotle, one of the fathers of logic, suggested this to me: use the principle of generosity. Rather than challenge a claim outright, allow it the chance to be true by responding generously to it. Explore it with generosity before treating it with cynicism.

[Twodogs]

A Harvard professor of philosophy, ironically teaching me Aristotle, one of the fathers of logic, suggested this to me: use the principle of generosity. Rather than challenge a claim outright, allow it the chance to be true by responding generously to it. Explore it with generosity before treating it with cynicism.


Serious question. Was the professor teaching irony or do you mean it was ironic that it happens to be Aristotle (I only know he was a bugger for the bottle according to Monty Python) as an example in this particular situation?

[Ghost Dog]

Serious question. Was the professor teaching irony or do you mean it was ironic that it happens to be Aristotle (I only know he was a bugger for the bottle according to Monty Python) as an example in this particular situation?

Ah, the danger of commas.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Serious question. Was the professor teaching irony or do you mean it was ironic that it happens to be Aristotle (I only know he was a bugger for the bottle according to Monty Python) as an example in this particular situation?

The professor was teaching Nicomachean Ethics.
Aristotle, Plato and Socrates taught logic and as a result Logic was compulsory at medieval universities and is taught as the road to truth in our educational institutions today and used in meetings and forums like WOOF. It is often cited in support of a position like EasternWest's "...challenge the validity..".
The irony is that this professor, although teaching about Aristotle and logic, was saying to explore a claim or theory by 'believing' before employing logic to criticise. If anything is just criticised from the outset, you don't give it a chance to be true or to have value.
By the bye the alternatives to logic are emotions, intuition and feelings. They have value too and logic alone will not always get one to the heart of the matter. "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" is a good read along these lines.
Hello Jarrad, love your work.

[bulldogtragic]

The professor was teaching Nichomachean Ethics.
Aristotle, Plato and Socrates taught logic and as a result Logic was compulsory at medieval universities and is taught as the road to truth in our educational institutions today and used in meetings and forums like WOOF. It is often cited in support of a position like EasternWestern's "...challenge the validity..".
The irony is that this professor, although teaching about Aristotle and logic, was saying to explore a claim or theory by 'believing' before employing logic to criticise. If anything is just criticised from the outset, you don't give it a chance to be true or to have value.
By the bye the alternatives to logic are emotions, intuition and feelings. They have value too and logic alone will not always get one to the heart of the matter. "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" is a good read along these lines.
Hello Jarrad, love your work.

Great post. The Mrs is reading 'Zen and the Art of Raising Chickens', sounds like for like. I've been heavy studying in an aspect for the last 12 months but quite narrowly. So I purchased some Plato and Confucious to have a broader approach and understanding. If you have any of the gigantic answers to the gigantic questions feel free to pass them on. :)

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Great post. The Mrs is reading 'Zen and the Art of Raising Chickens', sounds like for like. I've been heavy studying in an aspect for the last 12 months but quite narrowly. So I purchased some Plato and Confucious to have a broader approach and understanding. If you have any of the gigantic answers to the gigantic questions feel free to pass them on. :)

Great stuff BT. I think your wife has the same answers to the gigantic questions as me: keep in touch with nature; make sure you get dirt in your fingernails; that you expose yourself to the wind, the seasons; hone your instincts; have a creative hobby and be more Bulldog:)

[bulldogtragic]

Great stuff BT. I think your wife has the same answers to the gigantic questions as me: keep in touch with nature; make sure you get dirt in your fingernails, that you expose yourself to the wind, the seasons, hone your instincts and be more Bulldog:)

I like the last part in particular. I hope Confucius say that too, it will open up the worlds biggest market to membership to our club.

[1eyedog]

Great post. The Mrs is reading 'Zen and the Art of Raising Chickens', sounds like for like. I've been heavy studying in an aspect for the last 12 months but quite narrowly. So I purchased some Plato and Confucious to have a broader approach and understanding. If you have any of the gigantic answers to the gigantic questions feel free to pass them on. :)

Raise better children than how you were raised. 'Better' is subjective but I have tried to live by this. Simple philosophy but one which will make better humans.

[bulldogtragic]

Raise better children than how you were raised. 'Better' is subjective but I have tried to live by this. Simple philosophy but one which will make better humans.

So you didn't condemn your kids to a life membership and front row seat to heart breaking bulldog pre-lim final losses and regular club upheaval? :D

[LostDoggy]

Raise better children than how you were raised. 'Better' is subjective but I have tried to live by this. Simple philosophy but one which will make better humans.

I'm raising my boys to be better people than me. It's a doddle with such a low benchmark :)

[Twodogs]

The professor was teaching Nicomachean Ethics.
Aristotle, Plato and Socrates taught logic and as a result Logic was compulsory at medieval universities and is taught as the road to truth in our educational institutions today and used in meetings and forums like WOOF. It is often cited in support of a position like EasternWest's "...challenge the validity..".
The irony is that this professor, although teaching about Aristotle and logic, was saying to explore a claim or theory by 'believing' before employing logic to criticise. If anything is just criticised from the outset, you don't give it a chance to be true or to have value.
By the bye the alternatives to logic are emotions, intuition and feelings. They have value too and logic alone will not always get one to the heart of the matter. "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" is a good read along these lines.
Hello Jarrad, love your work.

Thanks for that BIDS. Explains it very clearly and, um, logically.

[1eyedog]

So you didn't condemn your kids to a life membership and front row seat to heart breaking bulldog pre-lim final losses and regular club upheaval? :D

Of course I did are you mad man?

If you want to get to the essence of an issue you need to take logic and belief out of it as they are highly subjective human emotions and go no further than empiricism by observation. Still a human construct but if the formula is as unbiased as possible the results should be close to true science.

Example

Query. If we leave Rohan Smith on Matthew Robran for a quarter and a half can Matthew Robran kick six goals to win the 98 Preliminary final?

Answer. Yes we have tested the assumption that a taller, true forward will kick multiple goals on a small half bank flanker that is not Easton Wood.

Result. Crows win the Premiership.

That's it, my example of empiricism at work.

[bornadog]

TRADE NEWS:

Accordng to Western Bulldogs list manager Jason McCartney.
Unrestricted free agent Jarrad Grant hasnt been offered a new contract and the reason why is that the club is waning to go through the trade period with some flexibility.
Depending on trades and needing three picks for the draft Grants future at the kennel is still up in the air.

[EasternWest]

TRADE NEWS:

Accordng to Western Bulldogs list manager Jason McCartney.
Unrestricted free agent Jarrad Grant hasnt been offered a new contract and the reason why is that the club is waning to go through the trade period with some flexibility.
Depending on trades and needing three picks for the draft Grants future at the kennel is still up in the air.

Thanks BAD. I wonder how Jarrad is feeling about the way this is playing out?

[Ghost Dog]

Don't take it personally Jarrad. Stay positive and you may very well end up back at the Kennel.
Incidentally, has he got what it takes to play deeper in defence?

[Twodogs]

Don't take it personally Jarrad. Stay positive and you may very well end up back at the Kennel.
Incidentally, has he got what it takes to play deeper in defence?

At least we know now that he won't die wondering.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

TRADE NEWS:

Accordng to Western Bulldogs list manager Jason McCartney.
Unrestricted free agent Jarrad Grant hasnt been offered a new contract and the reason why is that the club is waning to go through the trade period with some flexibility.
Depending on trades and needing three picks for the draft Grants future at the kennel is still up in the air.

So Missy was on the money and may well be close to him:)

[KT31]

So Missy was on the money and may well be close to him:)

Mums are always right.;)

[bulldogsfight]

rumour is this is the only player Collingwood is not chasing

[bornadog]

rumour is this is the only player Collingwood is not chasing

From our list?

[LostDoggy]

If spindles ends up leaving we have pretty much cleaned the house with both him and Ayce gone. The question is, who is our next Polarising player? ;)

Missy.


Lets just say that i am closer to Jarrad than anyone on this board and what are "actually" the facts need to be stated so that posters can make comments on what the true position is

OK, OK, it's high time I come clean: I'm Jarrad Grant. Missy is our cat. ("Our" being BT and I. We're in love.)

I highly commend you for not disclosing any more information than you did. I just wish you were Michael Talia and not our cat.

[bulldogtragic]

Missy.



OK, OK, it's high time I come clean: I'm Jarrad Grant. Missy is our cat. ("Our" being BT and I. We're in love.)

I highly commend you for not disclosing any more information than you did. I just wish you were Michael Talia and not our cat.

After listening to Macca talk about Jarrad as 'flexibility' I needed to be honest. So. I penned this today for Jarrad while having a bath:

If I should stay, I would only be in your way. So I'll go but I know I'll think of you every step of the way.

And I... will always love you, ooh
Will always love you. You. My darling, you... Mmm-mm

Bittersweet memories; That is all I'm taking with me. So good-bye. Please don't cry. We both know I'm not what you, you need... And I... will always love you
I... will always love you
You, ooh"

[Dancin' Douggy]

I hope nothing comes of this, and young Mister Grant signs on for another year (or two) at a standard base afl salary.

It's one of those weird situations where he's actually worth a lot more internally than what we'd ever get in a million years on the open market.

[Mantis]

Finished 21st in the B&F.. Says a fair bit.

[NoseBleed]

Finished 21st in the B&F.. Says a fair bit.

That he's in our best 22?
:D

[Mofra]

A no show at the B&F. Not good signs

[bulldogtragic]

A no show at the B&F. Not good signs

That's disappointing. He finished 21st but factoring in he played some VFL, also fractured face and playing the sub (reducing chance of polling) he's easily top (or starting) 18 from this year. I can understand why he might confused or annoyed at why he's a bargaining chip on the last spot on the list. It seems elementary now he's off at my guess.

[Ozza]

That's disappointing. He finished 21st but factoring in he played some VFL, also fractured face and playing the sub (reducing chance of polling) he's easily top (or starting) 18 from this year. I can understand why he might confused or annoyed at why he's a bargaining chip on the last spot on the list. It seems elementary now he's off at my guess.


Not that it really matters, but only 10 players on the list played more games than him. He had plenty of opportunities. Certainly more opportunities than every single player he out-polled.

[Greystache]

Not that it really matters, but only 10 players on the list played more games than him. He had plenty of opportunities. Certainly more opportunities than every single player he out-polled.

He finished comfortably behind Biggs who only played 10 games. He also finished behind Hunter, Talia, and Stevens who played significantly less games. The coaches obviously just don't rate him.

[bulldogtragic]

Not that it really matters, but only 10 players on the list played more games than him. He had plenty of opportunities. Certainly more opportunities than every single player he out-polled.

Yep, it's moot. No club would give him a sensational contract that would get us pick 31 compo, maybe not even 49. So we are essentially delisting him. Not a call I would've made. All moot now.

[LostDoggy]

Just to reinforce the point, Bevo thanked all delisted players and Grant for their service last night. Unsurprisingly left Talia out.

[bornadog]

His manager on trade radio said Grant prefers to stay at the club.

We will see what happens.

[KT31]

His manager on trade radio said Grant prefers to stay at the club.

We will see what happens.

Probably comes down to the lack of suitors.

[bornadog]

Probably comes down to the lack of suitors.

I think he personally would prefer to stay, but with Free Trade, the club is keeping their options open and flexible.

[westdog54]

That's disappointing. He finished 21st but factoring in he played some VFL, also fractured face and playing the sub (reducing chance of polling) he's easily top (or starting) 18 from this year. I can understand why he might confused or annoyed at why he's a bargaining chip on the last spot on the list. It seems elementary now he's off at my guess.

Is he best 22 for next year though, when you factor in development of others?

His biggest problem is that he'll get overtaken like a 100-1 frontrunner in a Melbourne Cup.

[Rocket Science]

Probably comes down to the lack of suitors.

Listening to McConville, that was very much the vibe.

[Doc26]

Just to reinforce the point, Bevo thanked all delisted players and Grant for their service last night. Unsurprisingly left Talia out.

Regarding Jarrad, Luke, in this part of his speech last night, did add the caveat of 'depending what eventuates through the trade season'.

[Greystache]

Listening to McConville, that was very much the vibe.

Yeah I got the impression he's concerned he'll be playing local footy next year and is really hopeful the dogs offer him a lifeline.

[LostDoggy]

Nothing really knew, but here we go, from SEN site:


Jarrad Grant is yet to be offered a contract from the Western Bulldogs and is likely to exercise his free agency rights.

"Nineteen games in 2015 you'd think he would be afforded a new contract. They are as club keeping their options open and obviously running the risk of Jarrad walking to another club without compensation," McConville told SEN.

"From Jarrad's point of view he wishes to stay at the Western Bulldogs, he's hopeful an outcome will be reached but at this point of time Jason McCartney hasn't provided us with an initial offer."


Read more at http://www.sen.com.au/news/10-15/latest-on-casboult-lennon-and-grant#doVVzbfqgFsRc7Mr.99

[Bulldog4life]

His manager on trade radio said Grant prefers to stay at the club.

We will see what happens.

Yes I heard that too. You think if he really wanted to he would have shown up at the B & F.

[Ozza]

Yes I heard that too. You think if he really wanted to he would have shown up at the B & F.

I would have thought so too - but hard to judge, not knowing all the ins and outs.

[bornadog]

A no show at the B&F. Not good signs

Either was Tom Boyd, Redpath??? means nothing

[bulldogtragic]

Either was Tom Boyd, Redpath??? means nothing

When Damien Barrett reports Tom Boyd has walked out on the dogs in 30 minutes, I blame you BAD :D

[Maddog37]

It would give me great pleasure to see Grant hang on to his place on the list by the skin of his teeth and then use it as motivation to cement his place in the team. Many folks have commented that JG is a better player when under pressure to perform and this is a huge wake up call for him.

To me he is an important part of our teams group dynamic and I enjoy watching him play.

[LostDoggy]

Is he best 22 for next year though, when you factor in development of others?

His biggest problem is that he'll get overtaken like a 100-1 frontrunner in a Melbourne Cup.

In fairness, he doesn't have to be best 22 to justify a spot on the list. We need a squad of 35 or so AFL standard players ready to go (with a few in development).

[F'scary]

Grant is way better than RFA compensation pick 35ish, let alone RFA compensation pick 57ish.

[Doc26]

Given that the Unrestricted Free Agency period officially finished yesterday where does this now leave Jarrad ?

If there was a prospective Club the cheapest option for them is now gone given that they could've taken him during this window for no cost i.e. trading of picks unless they are still waiting for other options to evolve before this Thursday's deadline.

With no prospect of a compensation pick for him and a trade appearing unlikely is he likely to be delisted ?

[bulldogtragic]

Given that the Unrestricted Free Agency period officially finished yesterday where does this now leave Jarrad ?
If there was a prospective Club they would've taken him during this window given that they could've had him for no trading of picks. With no prospect of a compensation pick for him and a trade appearing unlikely is he likely to be delisted ?

Agree there's no trade happening when he could've been had for free. He may stay on in the last spot on the list. Or, we could delist and rookie him. He could be temporarily elevated for Clay Smith and then as I understand get an instant pay rise for it. If we replicated our injuries he'd actually be available all year (Libba, Smith, Stevens etc) and then in the latter part of the season he can play I think. If next year two or three retirements and delistings happen, assuming he played well, we could re-draft him with our last pick, being pick 100 or so. The club might be trying to use the rookie list more strategically bearing in mind Smith has done 3 knees.

[bornadog]

Agree there's no trade happening when he could've been had for free. He may stay on in the last spot on the list. Or, we could delist and rookie him. He could be temporarily elevated for Clay Smith and then as I understand get an instant pay rise for it. If we replicated our injuries he'd actually be available all year (Libba, Smith, Stevens etc) and then in the latter part of the season he can play I think. If next year two or three retirements and delistings happen, assuming he played well, we could re-draft him with our last pick, being pick 100 or so. The club might be trying to use the rookie list more strategically bearing in mind Smith has done 3 knees.

I don't buy it if that is what is happening. I can't see any reason why he hasn't been offered a new contract. He is in the age bracket of players we need. He had a consistent year playing 19 games.

I fully suppport what Bevo is doing overall, but in this case, I can't agree what is happening.:mad:

Not Happy.

[Greystache]

I don't buy it if that is what is happening. I can't see any reason why he hasn't been offered a new contract. He is in the age bracket of players we need. He had a consistent year playing 19 games.

I fully suppport what Bevo is doing overall, but in this case, I can't agree what is happening.:mad:

Not Happy.

17 other clubs have passed on him, and if we do that will be all 18. Clearly the industry doesn't rate him.

[1eyedog]

17 other clubs have passed on him, and if we do that will be all 18. Clearly the industry doesn't rate him.

The silence is deafening isn't it.

[G-Mo77]

17 other clubs have passed on him, and if we do that will be all 18. Clearly the industry doesn't rate him.

Unfortunately for Grant that's it right there.

[BulldogBelle]

Given that the Unrestricted Free Agency period officially finished yesterday where does this now leave Jarrad ?

If there was a prospective Club the cheapest option for them is now gone given that they could've taken him during this window for no cost i.e. trading of picks unless they are still waiting for other options to evolve before this Thursday's deadline.

With no prospect of a compensation pick for him and a trade appearing unlikely is he likely to be delisted ?

Doesn't the trade week finish this Thursday afternoon - 22 October 2015? Does the Unrestricted Free Agency period finish earlier?

[EasternWest]

I don't buy it if that is what is happening. I can't see any reason why he hasn't been offered a new contract. He is in the age bracket of players we need. He had a consistent year playing 19 games.

I fully suppport what Bevo is doing overall, but in this case, I can't agree what is happening.:mad:

Not Happy.

I'm kind of with you on this. If he was good enough to play so many games in a side that played finals, why is he suddenly not good enough for us or anyone?

I'd like him to stay, but gee it'll be a tough pill for him to swallow. I'm really intrigued by what's going on behind the scenes.

[Doc26]

Doesn't the trade week finish this Thursday afternoon - 22 October 2015? Does the Unrestricted Free Agency period finish earlier?

Yes. As you say trade week finishes up this Thursday but with the Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency period specifically closing yesterday. Jarrad could still be traded by Thursday (unlikely it would seem) but not under any free agency conditions.

[whythelongface]

17 other clubs have passed on him, and if we do that will be all 18. Clearly the industry doesn't rate him.

Pretty much sums it up. Can't believe that no other team has expressed any interest at all. Maybe his asking price is too much for others to consider. I was going to say his career really is at a cross roads but in reality it is at a dead end, unless we throw him a lifeline.

[strebla]

He will get picked up in the PSD if we don't throw him a lifeline it's not all over for him yet.

[bornadog]

I'm kind of with you on this. If he was good enough to play so many games in a side that played finals, why is he suddenly not good enough for us or anyone?

I'd like him to stay, but gee it'll be a tough pill for him to swallow. I'm really intrigued by what's going on behind the scenes.

Exactly my point.

[F'scary]

What is the next key date/deadline in the Jarrad Grant saga? Is it a list lodgement date prior to the ND?

[merantau]

We should keep Grant full stop. Would be crazy to get rid of him now. He has started to re-pay some of the faith that's been shown in him.

[G-Mo77]

He will get picked up in the PSD if we don't throw him a lifeline it's not all over for him yet.

I don't think that's a guarantee considering they all just passed on him. I guess a lot of clubs may have a spare spot available which they may have wanted to fill ao that could be an opportunity. Seems strange that not one club is interested.

[Bulldog Joe]

Clubs may be waiting to see what the trade period provides. Taking Grant as a free agent may have impacted on draft compensation, while now he will be able to be signed as a delisted free agent if we decide not to recontract him.

[boydogs]

Clubs may be waiting to see what the trade period provides. Taking Grant as a free agent may have impacted on draft compensation, while now he will be able to be signed as a delisted free agent if we decide not to recontract him.

Good points

[Scorlibo]

It seems unlikely that a 26 year old who's just played nearly a full season in a top-8 team would not attract interest from a single club.

[F'scary]

Re-sign Jarrad Grant NOW!

With Talia certain to go, we will have 3 spots to fill ND or whatever. As pointed out by kruder, our list, in terms of talent and ability, if not experience, is now full of depth with the exception of another decent ready-to-play KPD and perhaps a CHF option.

[G-Mo77]

We'll have 2 spots if we sign Grant and Talia goes.

We need at least 3 picks in the draft IMO.

[GVGjr]

We'll have 2 spots if we sign Grant and Talia goes.

We need at least 3 picks in the draft IMO.

We've lost 3 players in Cordy, Fuller and Darley (all delisted) and we have 2 players in limbo. We have also added Sucking.
This gives us some options if we trade a pick for a player so that we can still draft 3 players.

[Ozza]

We've lost 3 players in Cordy, Fuller and Darley (all delisted) and we have 2 players in limbo. We have also added Sucking.
This gives us some options if we trade a pick for a player so that we can still draft 3 players.

I would have thought we'd still want to go into the draft to pick up no less than 3 players.

[GVGjr]

I would have thought we'd still want to go into the draft to pick up no less than 3 players.

You would have to think that is the plan unless we trade for a player. We have to draft 3 players onto the primary list as a minimum and at the moment we have 4 spots.

[Bulldog Joe]

I would have thought we'd still want to go into the draft to pick up no less than 3 players.

Aren't we required to go to the draft with at least 3 spots.

Edit
Sorry Garry. Didn't see your post

You would have to think that is the plan unless we trade for a player. We have to draft 3 players onto the primary list as a minimum and at the moment we have 4 spots.

[Sedat]

You would have to think that is the plan unless we trade for a player. We have to draft 3 players onto the primary list as a minimum and at the moment we have 4 spots.
Does that include Darcy McPherson or is he in addition to the 3 ND selections?

[GVGjr]

Does that include Darcy McPherson or is he in addition to the 3 ND selections?

He would count as one of the three draft picks if we wanted to.

[G-Mo77]

We've lost 3 players in Cordy, Fuller and Darley (all delisted) and we have 2 players in limbo. We have also added Sucking.
This gives us some options if we trade a pick for a player so that we can still draft 3 players.

Which leads me think Grant will not be on our senior list in 2016. I just can't see him fitting in unless another player who is not named Talia is traded out.

[GVGjr]

Which leads me think Grant will not be on our senior list in 2016. I just can't see him fitting in unless another player who is not named Talia is traded out.

If we don't draft MacPherson to the primary list we could redraft him but it sounds unlikely at the moment.

[Rocco Jones]

I have to say I am totally with the club in their handling of Jarrad Grant. I think it's an excellent list management response.

A few posters have said that playing 19 games MUST mean he is valuable/rated by the club. Rounding out the 22 wise we are as young as a team gets. We were regularly filling out our team with players struggling to run out a full game. Grant was relatively bankable to be able to do enough in a game, be worthy of a spot compared to a player like Dale who would struggle to have an influence.

Next year we get Libba back from a year long injury. We also get Koby Stevens back and have recruited Matthew Suckling, who indirectly and directly look superior options in his spot. But most of all, our massive wave of kids will be a year older. Grant's relative maturity will become less and less of a strength. McLean and Daniel in particular will/should surpass him once they get they tank up.

Fans or defenders of Grant talk about his decencies as if it's just one little issue. The fact he is as bad as it gets kicking for goal is enormous, just enormous. It means we have to force him up the ground. There he is okay but he also has an inability to find the ball regularly. So basically a guy who struggles to find it more than 15 times, doesn't really lay too many tackles (despite looking like he has a skillset to chase down guys), around the ground kicking okay-ish and goal kicking disgusting.

Even if you really rate him, you gotta think, he was a free agent until Sunday and no interest. At best, clubs seem him as a delisted free agent. They are not even willing to risk losing free agent compo, not many clubs are even in that basket where it's a consideration. Why give up more than we have to? Signing him could have meant we missed out on Suckling or limit our attempts to get someone else.

I believe the club rates him just like I do. Worth what's left after we do everything we want to do. That's why we haven't delisted him. If trades fall his way, he will get the last spot on our senior list. If not, I believe we will draft him in the rookie draft if no one else wants him. We have priorities. Just imagine like he is on our draft list at 60. If he is still here cool, if he is gone, well we got players we preferred in the process.

Another factor is how Grant performs when he has multiple years left on his contract. His fans treat this as a crackpot conspiracy theory. Call me crazy but I think if something always happens to support a theory, it might have merit. Every contract he has, he performs at his best as it runs out. Lull, more of a lull, starts to show promise, hits peak as contract is ending, repeat. If we offer a contract, it must be for one year IMO.

[Remi Moses]

17 other clubs have passed on him, and if we do that will be all 18. Clearly the industry doesn't rate him.

Well that's it in a nutshell.
Just because he's in the age group, doesn't mean he's wanted

[Rocco Jones]

Well that's it in a nutshell.
Just because he's in the age group, doesn't mean he's wanted

Yep. As I posted, that age group advantage will rapidly become smaller.

[Dancin' Douggy]

the thing that sticks out to me.........and I'm a Grant 'fantasiser' I'm firmly in the but....and what if.........and if he could just.........and he's got so much raw talent.........and he's so clever and has such soft and quick hands....camp. I really am.

But his set shots are not just shaky, they are an embarrassment, an abomination, a horror show. And something that you just can't gloss over. And someone might trundle out some stats here, but I think we all know what I'm talking about.

It deflates the team, the crowd, the commentators, the casual observers and it's just so damn predictable now.
The sound of his foot connecting with the footy sound like a stale flathead being slapped on to a concert pier.

There's no 'thump' no 'thud' no power or resonance.

For my 20c worth I think we should sign him on for one more year, but...............if they don't.........well..........

Sorry Mr Grant, but this is the big league and no ones gonna carry you.

[Remi Moses]

I hit the bar or the can every time he's lining up

[F'scary]

I gotta say, Grant's set shot taking is what is crucifying him with the management at the moment.

[Rocco Jones]

I gotta say, Grant's set shot taking is what is crucifying him with the management at the moment.

Yep. But I find it odd that some almost treat it as a tiny thing on a pros/cons list. He is utterly awful at the most important skill to his role. He is lucky to be in an age bracket where we are even considering him for a spot on our list.

He is fast and has great hands (not a great mark though). That's it. He has down very well to get this far. I am less about the X factor/what he could become and more about the only reason we keep him is he is a safe option compared to playing yet another kid.

[GVGjr]

I gotta say, Grant's set shot taking is what is crucifying him with the management at the moment.

We have a number of poor set shot players. Grant isn't great at it but he has a number of partners.

[bulldogtragic]

We have a number of poor set shot players. Grant isn't great at it but he has a number of partners.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn. It deflects criticism from anyone else. Plus you'd think we'd delisted him already by some posts. He's still listed.

The good is never as good as it seems. The bad in never as bad as it seems.

[jeemak]

There's about as much evidence that posters pick on Grant to deflect criticism away from other players, as there is that Grant will only perform consistently if offered consecutive one year deals.

I think with him it's amplified because he doesn't have many other areas of his game that stand out as much as his goal kicking would if he converted more of his opportunities. Apart from some unrewarded running, standing in the right spot and quick hands there's not a heap of things going on in his game.

It's been intriguing to see this play out. I'm trying to figure out whether he wants to be a Bulldog but at a price we won't pay now and would only play elsewhere for more than he'd accept from us (making him less appealing as a FA in the first instance, and now a trade target), or clubs just don't rate him.

I wouldn't be surprised if all clubs knew that if we land a particular player he'll be sent to the draft, and if we don't we'll sign him on again.

[bulldogtragic]

There's about as much evidence that posters pick on Grant to deflect criticism away from other players, as there is that Grant will only perform consistently if offered consecutive one year deals.

I think with him it's amplified because he doesn't have many other areas of his game that stand out as much as his goal kicking would if he converted more of his opportunities. Apart from some unrewarded running, standing in the right spot and quick hands there's not a heap of things going on in his game.

It's been intriguing to see this play out. I'm trying to figure out whether he wants to be a Bulldog but at a price we won't pay now and would only play elsewhere for more than he'd accept from us (making him less appealing as a FA in the first instance, and now a trade target), or clubs just don't rate him.

I wouldn't be surprised if all clubs new that if we land a particular player he'll be sent to the draft, and if we don't we'll sign him on again.

I think this negotiation and stale mate is far, far more interesting and nuanced as you point out. My only real point is that he's a current WBFC player and very well may be again next year. I think that fact deserves a few more days respect - or reference to the clutch 50m set shot goal in the final or the fact he was out for the winner too - then by all means, everyone fire away.

[hujsh]

Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn. It deflects criticism from anyone else. Plus you'd think we'd delisted him already by some posts. He's still listed.

The good is never as good as it seems. The bad in never as bad as it seems.

Is anyone on the team a worse set shot that Grant?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

The only thing that surprises me is how much discussion this has generated.

Must have been a quiet trade period for us ;)

[1eyedog]

Is anyone on the team a worse set shot that Grant?

Within 30 metres no but he is ok from 45+

[bornadog]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/mmsalih/images_zpshoqt2wvt.jpg

[Mofra]

Is anyone on the team a worse set shot that Grant?
Jordan Roughead

[Sedat]

Jordan Roughead
Lukey D as well

[bulldogtragic]

Lukey D as well

I actually think he's on a par with Grant. Both are great snap shot and on the run goal kickers, but not great set shot. I guess he does a lot more than he's not too focussed on, but if Grant is gone then he's probably our weakest set shot kicker.

[hujsh]

Jordan Roughead

That would've been my nomination as well.:D

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Lukey D as well

Comfortably next, huge weakness in his game.

[always right]

Crameri makes me nervous but particularly so on the run. Almost panic kicks.

[bornadog]

Crameri makes me nervous but particularly so on the run. Almost panic kicks.

How many did he miss in the elimination final (5)

[GVGjr]

Crameri makes me nervous but particularly so on the run. Almost panic kicks.

Have you noticed that even when he is running into an open goal he simply refuses to kick the ball with the normal drop? It's like he wants to hold the ball on an exaggerated angle for every kick. He's got some bad habits and I'm rarely confident when he has a set shot at goal

[1eyedog]

Have you noticed that even when he is running into an open goal he simply refuses to kick the ball with the normal drop? It's like he wants to hold the ball on an exaggerated angle for every kick. He's got some bad habits and I'm rarely confident when he has a set shot at goal

I like his style, it's what makes him difficult to match up on. He's pretty erratic which can be both really good or quite bad.

[GVGjr]

I like his style, it's what makes him difficult to match up on. He's pretty erratic which can be both really good or quite bad.

I don't doubt he is difficult to match up on and I like him as a player but he could be some much more efficient if he just stuck to the basic's of kicking. I haven't forgotten the wasted opportunities against the Crows. We can be a lot better if a few of the boys want to improve in that area.

[always right]

I also likes what he brings to the team. Just wish he finished his work a little better. His set shots have improved marginally.

[1eyedog]

I don't doubt he is difficult to match up on and I like him as a player but he could be some much more efficient if he just stuck to the basic's of kicking. I haven't forgotten the wasted opportunities against the Crows. We can be a lot better if a few of the boys want to improve in that area.

I understand what you're saying and completely agree, but it's the type of player he is. I'm not sure he can be coached out of the way he does things, what I'm saying is that he seems like the type who would be difficult to coach technically. He's usually not too bad at the set shot, especially from long range.

[GVGjr]

I understand what you're saying and completely agree, but it's the type of player he is. I'm not sure he can be coached out of the way he does things, what I'm saying is that he seems like the type who would be difficult to coach technically. He's usually not too bad at the set shot, especially from long range.

I don't believe a player can't be coached out of bad habits especially with goal kicking. I also don't believe we should simply accept it from him because a 10% improvement in goal conversions could be great for the team. To me it's just a bit of creative flair that isn't effective and we should be highlighting this too him and demanding he improve.

When Bevo arrived at the club he said he wanted to improve our kicking skill levels and I think he starts demanding that from this preseason. I really hope this includes goal kicking.

[The Underdog]

Is anyone on the team a worse set shot that Grant?

Lachie Hunter is in the ballpark. Lovely snap, awful set shot.

[1eyedog]

I don't believe a player can't be coached out of bad habits especially with goal kicking. I also don't believe we should simply accept it from him because a 10% improvement in goal conversions could be great for the team. To me it's just a bit of creative flair that isn't effective and we should be highlighting this too him and demanding he improve.

When Bevo arrived at the club he said he wanted to improve our kicking skill levels and I think he starts demanding that from this preseason. I really hope this includes goal kicking.

I don't think Crameri's set shot kicking for goal has anything to do with creative flair and isn't set shots what we're talking about? You can put a number of structures and different strategies in a players head when they are lining up for goal but at times if one thing doesn't work and then another thing doesn't work the player loses confidence and starts incorporating a hybrid of all that they have learnt, which doesn't improve the result at all. I remember talking to Barry Stoneham many moons ago about goal kicking when he took a night's training for us.

I think Crameri, Dahl, Hunter and MaCrae all need support at kicking for goal.

I agree that you can teach a player to become, say 10% more accurate at kicking for goal, but there are a lot of variables at work here not including what is going on inside the players head.

[GVGjr]

Names being mentioned along with Grant include Roughead, Dahlhaus, Crameri and Hunter. We really need to make this a focus.
Dickson can't cover them all.

[bulldogtragic]

Names being mentioned along with Grant include Roughead, Dahlhaus, Crameri and Hunter. We really need to make this a focus.
Dickson can't cover them all.

The forward coach must not be reading your posts! :D

[Scraggers]

Names being mentioned along with Grant include Roughead, Dahlhaus, Crameri and Hunter. We really need to make this a focus.
Dickson can't cover them all.

Stringer's set shot is nothing to write home about either. I back on the run and the snap, but cover my eyes when he takes the set shot.

[Dancin' Douggy]

It's like having a lead guitarist that just F%$#@s up every solo, even though he's great for the rest of the gig.

He'll sneak in a beautiful flourish, or an inspiring riff here and there, and be rock solid on chords all night....but when the spotlights on him and him alone........it's an awful mangle of bum notes and mistiming.

Not good enough for the big time.

Unless you don't play any solos............

Then you get another lead guitarist.

And rhythm guitarists are a dime a dozen.

[Torpedo]

Honestly this begs the question: How are these blokes getting to AFL level without having the ability to 1) kick straight and 2) to kick and handball either side? The issue is obviously not being dealt with at junior levels. More time/money on coaching at this level would improve skill levels enormously I would think. I heard a skills coach on ABC some months ago saying it was probably unrealistic to attempt major changes to a player's kicking style by the time clubs drafted them.

[Scorlibo]

Stringer's set shot is nothing to write home about either. I back on the run and the snap, but cover my eyes when he takes the set shot.

I reckon he improved a lot in the back half of the year.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I reckon he improved a lot in the back half of the year.

Stringers set shots initially, and when he was in the VFL were outstanding. Long straight and true.

Like a natural born forward.
I just hope he gets that back.

I reckon he will.

The crown and the cape are starting to feel comfortable now.

[bornadog]

I don't think Crameri's set shot kicking for goal has anything to do with creative flair and isn't set shots what we're talking about? You can put a number of structures and different strategies in a players head when they are lining up for goal but at times if one thing doesn't work and then another thing doesn't work the player loses confidence and starts incorporating a hybrid of all that they have learnt, which doesn't improve the result at all. I remember talking to Barry Stoneham many moons ago about goal kicking when he took a night's training for us.

I think Crameri, Dahl, Hunter and MaCrae all need support at kicking for goal.

I agree that you can teach a player to become, say 10% more accurate at kicking for goal, but there are a lot of variables at work here not including what is going on inside the players head.

What I don't understand is why when a match is on in the game day thread, Grant misses goals, he is chastised by posters but others aren't.

[Rocco Jones]

Dahlhaus' set shot is shocking but there's a tiny difference between him and Jarrad. Dahl gets it almost twice as often as Grant,

[Rocco Jones]

As well as laying 3 times more tackles and kicking more goals. Besides that, they are pretty similar.

[bornadog]

Dahlhaus' set shot is shocking but there's a tiny difference between him and Jarrad. Dahl gets it almost twice as often as Grant,

Dahl plays all over the ground including the middle and is expected to get the ball at least 25 times a game.

[soupman]

What I don't understand is why when a match is on in the game day thread, Grant misses goals, he is chastised by posters but others aren't.

Probably because unlike the others Grant doesn't contribute enough around the ground to compensate for missed opportunities in front of goal.

[bornadog]

Probably because unlike the others Grant doesn't contribute enough around the ground to compensate for missed opportunities in front of goal.

Don't agree with that.

Not every player is expected to get the ball 25 to 30 times in a match, yet if they don't supporters judge them harshly. Grant does the job his coach asks him to otherwise he wouldn't have played 19 games for the year. Yes he was dropped when he didn't do what he was supposed to but he was back in as soon as he corrected what he was asked to.

[jeemak]

Don't agree with that.

Not every player is expected to get the ball 25 to 30 times in a match, yet if they don't supporters judge them harshly. Grant does the job his coach asks him to otherwise he wouldn't have played 19 games for the year. Yes he was dropped when he didn't do what he was supposed to but he was back in as soon as he corrected what he was asked to.

I guess the idea is that midfield players who get limited ball and don't have huge defencive returns hurt the opposition with the smaller disposal numbers they achieve.

This is what generates the criticism of Grant. He doesn't do that by foot around the ground or in front of goal.

His current treatment speaks louder than the games he played in 2015, unfortunately for him.

[soupman]

I guess the idea is that midfield players who get limited ball and don't have huge defencive returns hurt the opposition with the smaller disposal numbers they achieve.

This is what generates the criticism of Grant. He doesn't do that by foot around the ground or in front of goal.

His current treatment speaks louder than the games he played in 2015, unfortunately for him.

Exactly. Grant doesn't get enough of the ball to not be damaging when he gets it. As a result kicking goal have a huge impact on the quality of his performance, while for someone lie Dahlhaus he contributes so much elsewhere that while they are important they do represent a smaller slice of the pie he brings.

You can also take into account Grant has spent his entire career being frustrating, so everytime he misses everyone just has their doubts confirmed. While Dahlhaus has always exceeded expectations and is so visibly good elsewhere people are happier to forgive him.

[Greystache]

I guess the idea is that midfield players who get limited ball and don't have huge defencive returns hurt the opposition with the smaller disposal numbers they achieve.

This is what generates the criticism of Grant. He doesn't do that by foot around the ground or in front of goal.

His current treatment speaks louder than the games he played in 2015, unfortunately for him.

Exactly. He gets minimal touches, with minimal impact, then misses fails to capitalise on his limited chances. That's why he's on the delisting list, and why no other club has shown any interest. That's all. It seems a few people have convinced themselves that he's a scapegoat, or everyone are "haters", but he just doesn't do enough to stay in the system and has shown minimal improvement over a very very long time. Coaches and list managers know what they're doing, they're not missing something that only a handful of supporters can see.

[bulldogtragic]

Pick 51 in a shallow draft or Jarrad. I'd pick Jarrad.

[GVGjr]

Pick 51 in a shallow draft or Jarrad. I'd pick Jarrad.

I'd certainly consider it.

[bornadog]

Pick 51 in a shallow draft or Jarrad. I'd pick Jarrad.

If it has come to this it is a joke.

[1eyedog]

Pick 51 in a shallow draft or Jarrad. I'd pick Jarrad.

Absolutely, no brainer for mine. Jarrad did more right that wrong this year in my opinion but I have no idea what his directives were.

[lemmon]

What about Mcpherson v Grant? I can't see us bidding one of our first 3 on Darcy

[GVGjr]

What about Mcpherson v Grant? I can't see us bidding one of our first 3 on Darcy

Depends if we rate him as a primary list player and if there are any bids on him. Stranger things have happened.

[1eyedog]

Dropping Grant, Crameri, Macrae and Minson and playing Webb, Daniel, Dale, Biggs, Rourke and Z Cordy.

Playing A Cordy for six weeks when everyone was calling for his head and then giving a reprieve to Hunter.

Dropping T Boyd and playing Redpath.

About time a coach came in who isn't prepared to take shit and will drop / promote players as the need arises.

Perhaps Grant's 19 games were just an extension of the six games Ayce played. Grant was just afforded 13 more because he has more talent than Ayce.

In essence, we played you but we don't rate you so we're not going to re-new your contract.

[Sedat]

Depends if we rate him as a primary list player and if there are any bids on him. Stranger things have happened.
Zaine only received a bid in the 50's last year and was more highly rated than Darcy. Although last year's draft was considered stronger and deeper than this year.

[bulldogsman]

I'd rather some KPD cover over Grant. Sorry Jarrad.

Michael Hartley please.

[Throughandthrough]

Pick 51 in a shallow draft or Jarrad. I'd pick Jarrad.


and Grant would cost arguably three times as much

[jeemak]

Zaine only received a bid in the 50's last year and was more highly rated than Darcy. Although last year's draft was considered stronger and deeper than this year.

I'm not sure where the McPherson being rated as anything other than a rookie selection talk has come from, did I miss crucial information?

[Dancin' Douggy]

A question that may warrant its own thread.
Has a father/ son nomination EVER been passed to a higher bidder?
I can't recall it happening.

Has anyone's bluff actually been called?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

We'll take 51 to the draft, so I think this spells the end for Grant.

[boydogs]

BF reporting Jarrad Grant has been informed he will be delisted

[jeemak]

BF reporting Jarrad Grant has been informed he will be delisted

It's like we're all involved in a surreal episode that has been brought about by the paranoid thoughts of BT.

This is a very strange outcome, one that is almost supernormal.

BT, get a decent night's sleep and stop thinking paranoid thoughts, and or positive thoughts about Jarrad Grant for the next day or so.

[Remi Moses]

Dahl plays all over the ground including the middle and is expected to get the ball at least 25 times a game.

For goodness sake you and Jarryd should get a room :;)

[Rocco Jones]

Dahl plays all over the ground including the middle and is expected to get the ball at least 25 times a game.

Yet he still manages to kick more goals than Grant.

17 other clubs passed on him as a free agent. Maybe that says something.

[soupman]

A question that may warrant its own thread.
Has a father/ son nomination EVER been passed to a higher bidder?
I can't recall it happening.

Has anyone's bluff actually been called?

Not quite however I believe back in the days of the 3rd round pick being the default price, Carlton let Sam Sheldon slip through the draft hoping to pick him up as a rookie. Brisbane picked him up in the 70's instead. A very similar scenario to Jayden Foster last year if it was our plan to rookie him.

[Mofra]

I hope we rookie list Grant, he can still play a role

[Rocco Jones]

I hope we rookie list Grant, he can still play a role

Me too. It's pretty simple. Rookie list is the spot for a guy we want that no one else would take as a free agent.

[bulldogtragic]

Surely there's more to this saga than 'just no one rates him'. If that does happen, with Smith likely to be on the LTI then Jarrad can play NAB and from round 1 if rookied. Who knows, maybe the list manager is trying to have an insurance policy for the playing list if injury strikes again badly. With Smith on his third knee, it could be a good use of the rookie list?

[jeemak]

The market has seemingly determined his value as well. Rookie list wages might not be enough for him to sustain his lifestyle (not suggesting it's a lavish one, or anything) considering he's likely to have been paid well above the average wage for most of his life.

It will come as a fair shock to him, as it would anyone taking a massive pay cut.

[Mantis]

The market has seemingly determined his value as well. Rookie list wages might not be enough for him to sustain his lifestyle (not suggesting it's a lavish one, or anything) considering he's likely to have been paid well above the average wage for most of his life.

It will come as a fair shock to him, as it would anyone taking a massive pay cut.

But what would his other options be? I doubt very much he will be able to walk into a high paying job in the professional field.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

But what would his other options be? I doubt very much he will be able to walk into a high paying job in the professional field.

He could be paid better money in regional leagues.

[GVGjr]

Surely there's more to this saga than 'just no one rates him'. If that does happen, with Smith likely to be on the LTI then Jarrad can play NAB and from round 1 if rookied. Who knows, maybe the list manager is trying to have an insurance policy for the playing list if injury strikes again badly. With Smith on his third knee, it could be a good use of the rookie list?

It sounds like a reasonable outcome to me. If Jarrad is prepared to be reasonable with his financial requests and backs himself to perform then it could be a win win.

[bornadog]

Surely there's more to this saga than 'just no one rates him'. If that does happen, with Smith likely to be on the LTI then Jarrad can play NAB and from round 1 if rookied. Who knows, maybe the list manager is trying to have an insurance policy for the playing list if injury strikes again badly. With Smith on his third knee, it could be a good use of the rookie list?

I look at it a different way. We currently have 14 players 21 or under and about to bring in another 3. Do we want to use pick 51 to recruit another 18 year old kid, when we know Grant can play the game.

In the end if he is gone he is gone, but I will be scratching my head for the reason why.

[bulldogtragic]

It sounds like a reasonable outcome to me. If Jarrad is prepared to be reasonable with his financial requests and backs himself to perform then it could be a win win.

You may know the answer G. Once a rookie is elevated, they get their annual salary upgraded as well?

I think that's the case, and if true and if Jarrad was rookied and then elevated at the start of the year for Smith (until Smith gets back), he'd be on a fair bit more than the standard rookie wage (base salary I think??). It certainly didn't hurt St Kilda and Adam Schneider using the rookie lists system to effectively have another senior player ready to jump in when required.

[bulldogtragic]

I look at it a different way. We currently have 14 players 21 or under and about to bring in another 3. Do we want to use pick 51 to recruit another 18 year old kid, when we know Grant can play the game.

In the end if he is gone he is gone, but I will be scratching my head for the reason why.

Preaching to the converted BAD. If it was between Prudden and Grant I'd have Grant in only for depth as Prudden is. We had a relatively fit squad for the elim final and he got a game, that had nothing to do with anything else but picking him because he was best 22. I guess the answers to this saga will come out soon enough.

[Throughandthrough]

dogs have confirmed that they wont be offering a position to Grant in 2016

[jeemak]

Here's the update on the website.

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2015-10-23/grant-to-depart-kennel

[jeemak]

But what would his other options be? I doubt very much he will be able to walk into a high paying job in the professional field.

I guess you have to hope he's been preparing for life after football.

It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up at another club via the PSD, another team might see value in him.

[jeemak]

Preaching to the converted BAD. If it was between Prudden and Grant I'd have Grant in only for depth as Prudden is. We had a relatively fit squad for the elim final and he got a game, that had nothing to do with anything else but picking him because he was best 22. I guess the answers to this saga will come out soon enough.

It might be just as simple as averaging a titch over 14 touches and 2 tackles as a midfielder/flanker wasn't enough for the MC, and that to them, it's not in any way a saga.

[F'scary]

Someone will pick him up as a DFA.

Personally, I am going to cry when I see him run out in Carton colours next season.

[Sedat]

I hope we rookie list Grant, he can still play a role
Reckon someone else will pick him up as a delisted free agent but I would be comfortable selecting him as a rookie for 2016 if he was still available.

[bulldogtragic]

Here's the update on the website.

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2015-10-23/grant-to-depart-kennel

He was always completely shit and I never liked him anyway. I was just trying to confuse you all.

[whythelongface]

Must say I am extremely disappointed in this decision. I can understand it from the club's persepective, but I am still disappointed.

Good luck Jarrad wherever you end up.

[GVGjr]

Here's the update on the website.

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2015-10-23/grant-to-depart-kennel

It was the news we expected. In reflection it's probably best for Jarrad Grant to move on now rather than dwell upon it for another month or so.

He frustrated me particularly in the early days days but I certainly rated his last season because he was the fittest he has ever been and displayed a more consistent effort.

I wish him all the best and hope a club looks to pick him up.

[bornadog]

All the best for the future. Still think it is a poor decision by the club, but we have to live with it.

[Dancin' Douggy]

He was always completely shit and I never liked him anyway. I was just trying to confuse you all.

Very funny. I am surprised though.
Surely he's worth a rookie spot at the very least.

Have we dismissed that as a possibility as well?

[always right]

What a journey it's been with Grant with so much time and effort invested by Jarrad, the club and supporters. Now that it's finally come to an end it's a little sad, particularly when he finally started showing some consistency.

I guess it was simply too little too late. His timing was also poor as the club now has multiple options for his position, all of who show potential to be an upgrade on Grant.

I always liked him and wish him well at his new club. I have no doubt he will be picked up in the PSD.

[Axe Man]

I hope Scott Clayton has picked out his budgie smugglers and has been doing plenty of laps at his local pool.

[SlimPickens]

Think this is the right decision by the club. Limited player who showed glimpses. Thank you for your contribution to the tri-colours Jarrad and best of luck in the future.

[Ghost Dog]

I hope Scott Clayton has picked out his budgie smugglers and has been doing plenty of laps at his local pool.

I don't get this joke. But I imagine Clayton made some promise 'If Grant doesn't make it I will swim to Williamstown.' or something.

I think still in our best 22 for the next half a season. After that I'm not sure. Young players developing rapidly.
Is there some requirement that we push out a certain number of players, and is this part of the basis of this decision?

For me, there was a period where we really needed run off half back, with JJ injured. If Jarrad isn't flexible enough to be moved around the ground, I guess it doesn't bode well. With his speed, would have loved to see him work alongside Bob, but wasn't to be.

[Happy Days]

I don't get this joke. Did Clayton make some promise 'If Grant doesn't make it I will swim the English channel'?

I think still in our best 22 for the next half a season. After that I'm not sure. Young players developing rapidly.
Is there some requirement that we push out a certain number of players, and is this part of the basis of this decision?

He said if Grant wasn't the 4th best player in the draft (didn't rate Chris Masten), he'd swim from Melbourne to Williamstown (I think; was a very long arbitrary distance anyway).

[Axe Man]

I don't get this joke. Did Clayton make some promise 'If Grant doesn't make it I will swim the English channel'?

The quote was: "If Jarrad Grant's not the best player after them (No.1 Matthew Kreuzer and No.2 Trent Cotchin), then I'll swim to Williamstown from here."

[Ghost Dog]

The quote was: "If Jarrad Grant's not the best player after them (No.1 Matthew Kreuzer and No.2 Trent Cotchin), then I'll swim to Williamstown from here."

Well, Masten is now a premiership player. Get swimming Scotty.

[always right]

Well, Masten is now a premiership player. Get swimming Scotty.

Not quite

[Axe Man]

Well, Masten is now a premiership player. Get swimming Scotty.

Not a premiership player, but has played in a grand final.

McEvoy, Rioli and Harry Taylor are premiership players from that draft though. That Dangerfield bloke goes alright too.

The only thing Clayton was correct about is that Grant was better than the bloke picked immediately before him - Cale Morton!

[Mofra]

IIRC we were set on either Grant or Henderson but interviews got Grant across the line.
Would be interesting to hear how people think Henderson would have gone for us instead

[bornadog]

From the Hun


THE Western Bulldogs will delist forward Jarrad Grant next Friday with the unrestricted free agent searching for a second AFL home. The Bulldogs have not offered Grant, 26, a fresh contract despite the No.5 pick playing 19 games this season – including the elimination final.
List manager Jason McCartney confirmed to the Herald Sun Grant would be officially removed at next Friday’s first list lodgement.

The Dogs will not re-rookie him, ending Grant’s career at Whitten Oval after 81 games in eight seasons.

[Greystache]

IIRC we were set on either Grant or Henderson but interviews got Grant across the line.
Would be interesting to hear how people think Henderson would have gone for us instead

Henderson is really only a role player as either a key defender or forward, but he can make a decent contribution with other players around him. He's obviously a better player then Grant, but when you factor in we were recruiting for a key position player, the selection of Grant over Henderson was a howler.

[Ghost Dog]

Not a premiership player, but has played in a grand final.

McEvoy, Rioli and Harry Taylor are premiership players from that draft though. That Dangerfield bloke goes alright too.

The only thing Clayton was correct about is that Grant was better than the bloke picked immediately before him - Cale Morton!

My bad. Grand Final player. Not that he will be wanting to remember it anyway.
There were some good run-down chases from Grant over the years. Thanks J

[G-Mo77]

From the Hun

I think he'll find a home as a DFA but if there was an option to re-rookie him on draft day why wouldn't they take that option?

[bornadog]

I think he'll find a home as a DFA but if there was an option to re-rookie him on draft day why wouldn't they take that option?

Unless something else is going on that we don't know about.

[bulldogtragic]

That's a big hole from these drafts. Higgins, Cooney, Gryphone, Grant, (Vez/Skinny), Howard & Ayce all first rounders gone in 2 years plus Sherman got for a end of first rounder. Then Tutt & Jones as second rounders.

I hope this is not a problem when we really contend.

[bulldogtragic]

Unless something else is going on that we don't know about.

Yep. This is my best guess. I'd love to know.

[Greystache]

I think he'll find a home as a DFA but if there was an option to re-rookie him on draft day why wouldn't they take that option?

They clearly don't rate him. I'm not convinced he'll get picked up by another club either.

Now that he's been delisted I'll post what I was told by an opposition analyst late in the season when we were chatting about the Bulldogs. His view was the Bulldogs team's only weakness was lack of experience. They have no major holes, have talent on each line, and can beat good teams. They just need time and continued natural improvement. He thought we could fast track to a contender next season by increasing the number of quality players in the 24-28 year age group but it was 50-50 whether it was the right thing to do given we're building a long term powerful team.

He specifically highlighted Grant as an obvious weakness and described him as the following- We don't rate him, he's an outside player with no hurt factor. He needs to be given the ball out in space, and then only goes short and sideways to another player in space. If you close down the second outside option he's redundant. He doesn't run and carry either so you can sag off him. We're also happy to let him run forward of the play hoping to get on the end of a cheap goal, it only comes off every other week, and the rest of the time we effectively play 18 vs 17, so we instruct our players not to go with him.

That's from an expert in the AFL, assuming his view is shared by the other clubs, and it obviously is by us, then his time in the AFL is over.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I hope Scott Clayton has picked out his budgie smugglers and has been doing plenty of laps at his local pool.

My thoughts EXACTLY!!! Who's gonna hold him to account?

[Mofra]

Now that he's been delisted I'll post what I was told by an opposition analyst late in the season when we were chatting about the Bulldogs. His view was the Bulldogs team's only weakness was lack of experience. They have no major holes, have talent on each line, and can beat good teams. They just need time and continued natural improvement. He thought we could fast track to a contender next season by increasing the number of quality players in the 24-28 year age group but it was 50-50 whether it was the right thing to do given we're building a long term powerful team.

He specifically highlighted Grant as an obvious weakness and described him as the following- We don't rate him, he's an outside player with no hurt factor. He needs to be given the ball out in space, and then only goes short and sideways to another player in space. If you close down the second outside option he's redundant. He doesn't run and carry either so you can sag off him. We're also happy to let him run forward of the play hoping to get on the end of a cheap goal, it only comes off every other week, and the rest of the time we effectively play 18 vs 17, so we instruct our players not to go with him.

That's from an expert in the AFL, assuming his view is shared by the other clubs, and it obviously is by us, then his time in the AFL is over.
That's very interesting, cheers.
I guess a year or so ago when a few of us were saying he needs to be played as a small forward couldn't have seen what was going to occur but knowing Bevo doesn't play specialist small forwards who can't run through the middle it makes Grant redundant.
Suckling is certainly an upgrade.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

It's the right decision. The irony is that it was probably Grant's most consistent year and he's far from the worst player in the AFL, and yet it's likely he won't even be in the system next season. He just doesn't bring enough to the table - most clubs would rather a punt on a speculative kid and we see every year rookie options shining on the big stage.

As much as anything, he's probably also a victim of his previous years. From memory his 2010 season was solid too, but aside from that he's effectively had 6(?) seasons of less than bare minimum.

If he had 3-4 years of this year's form under his belt, he'd probably still get a gig somewhere.

[LostDoggy]

With Jarrad Grant delisted, none of the Western Bulldogs' first round selections from between 2000 and 2010 are currently on their list

From Twitter (@NickWelch51). Amazing stat.

[Dancin' Douggy]

From Twitter (@NickWelch51). Amazing stat.

But Scott Clayton is a genius.

[Axe Man]

From Twitter (@NickWelch51). Amazing stat.

Mitch Wallis was a first round pick in 2010.

[bulldogtragic]

From Twitter (@NickWelch51). Amazing stat.

This is why need a dislike button too. Dislike!

[Scorlibo]

In fairness, half (6/12 by my count) of the first round picks being spoken about are still on AFL lists.

[F'scary]

My oldest daughter and I are very upset that Mikey has been cut from the list. He was her favourite player. I thought that he had a good season and was worth having on the list.

[mjp]

He specifically highlighted Grant as an obvious weakness and described him as the following- We don't rate him, he's an outside player with no hurt factor.

I have no problem with that - except for this. It is his inability to convert SIMPLE shots on goal that has ultimately cost him. It happened in the elimination final - and it happened with stunning regularity throughout the season. I still remember one game when he missed two goals in the 3rd q and was subbed in the last...betcha he wouldn't have been subbed had those kicks been goals.

He had a lot of weaknesses but continually making the SAME mistakes - and in particular his inability to just hit the scoreboard when he had the opportunity - is what I think has cost him.

[ReLoad]

Case closed.

Add him to the long list of players wearing the #1 jumper who didn't deliver.

I liked spindles, thought his X-factor would one day turn into something special, but alas I was wrong.

Thanks for your time at the club Jarrad, I wish you all the best in the future and much success in whatever you do in life.

[G-Mo77]

Thanks for your time at the club Jarrad, I wish you all the best in the future and much success in whatever you do in life.

That's it right there. We can go around and around on why or what ifs but in the end it's a guy who lost his job so hopefully he lands on his feet. Good luck for the future Jarrad.

[Ghost Dog]

I have no problem with that - except for this. It is his inability to convert SIMPLE shots on goal that has ultimately cost him. It happened in the elimination final - and it happened with stunning regularity throughout the season. I still remember one game when he missed two goals in the 3rd q and was subbed in the last...betcha he wouldn't have been subbed had those kicks been goals.

He had a lot of weaknesses but continually making the SAME mistakes - and in particular his inability to just hit the scoreboard when he had the opportunity - is what I think has cost him.

Thanks for the insights, GS and MJP.
Can't name one leading AFL goal kicker who kicks the ball on it's point. Ugly way to kick. Your run up can be odd ( Kennedy ) or you can kick it with a hook ( Buddy ) but the way you drop the ball can't really be reconciled. You don't play 19 games in an AFL season without having some positives, so here's hoping he can fix his game, get a bit of hurt factor and find a new gig.

[chef]

Thanks for the insights, GS and MJP.
Can't name one AFL goal kicker who kicks the ball on it's point. Ugly way to kick. But he can run, so here's hoping he can fix his game, get a bit of hurt factor and find a new gig.

Gary Jnr kicks it like this.

[1eyedog]

Thanks for the insights, GS and MJP.
Can't name one AFL goal kicker who kicks the ball on it's point. Ugly way to kick. But he can run, so here's hoping he can fix his game, get a bit of hurt factor and find a new gig.

Gunston. One of the best set shots for goal in the AFL.

[bornadog]

I have no problem with that - except for this. It is his inability to convert SIMPLE shots on goal that has ultimately cost him. It happened in the elimination final - and it happened with stunning regularity throughout the season. I still remember one game when he missed two goals in the 3rd q and was subbed in the last...betcha he wouldn't have been subbed had those kicks been goals.

He had a lot of weaknesses but continually making the SAME mistakes - and in particular his inability to just hit the scoreboard when he had the opportunity - is what I think has cost him.

2 kicks in the final (missed goals) and he loses his career. Strange world.

[Go_Dogs]

It's the right decision to move him on, just never quite reached the levels we'd hoped. Whilst it may seem odd to delist him after him just having his most consistent season, this was his first year under Beveridge and he obviously thought he couldn't extract more from Grant moving forward.

All the best JG.

[GVGjr]

2 kicks in the final (missed goals) and he loses his career. Strange world.

Not really, the fact that he couldn't secure longer term contracts in his last couple of seasons indicates to me that we had significant doubts at his position in the paying list. Once a number of the youngsters stepped forward this season, Grant moved down the order.
On football ability and experience we could have found another spot for him but the fact that we won't even consider a rookie spot for him is a strong indicator there is something else to this story.

Given the season he had with us he has given himself the best chance to get a spot elsewhere. If I were Grant, I'd have my manager talking to Brisbane and telling them I'd play for very low money and see if that would peak their interest.

[chef]

2 kicks in the final (missed goals) and he loses his career. Strange world.

I don't think it's that simple.

[Ghost Dog]

Gary Jnr kicks it like this.

Change 'any' to 'many'.

Yes I forgot that one, and Gunston, but still I would not say they were quite the same action, with Gary's head over the ball, Jarrad holding his arms out. Gary has the core strength to kick the ball in lots of different ways, all types of angles. Anyway, the proof is in the pudding. Can't convert often enough to be kept on the list. It's certainly not an action that works for him.

[1eyedog]

2 kicks in the final (missed goals) and he loses his career. Strange world.

He missed countless shots this year, some didn't make the distance some out on the full. The whole bay closed their eyes and groaned when he marked the ball 30 metres out. We need to get someone else into those spots on the ground now, someone who can nail those set shots.

[Smads57]

All the best for the future JG - you were a likeable person around the football club.

[Remi Moses]

Would have thought it was a little bit deeper than just " two kicks for goal"!:confused:
If Jarryd's such a viable commodity he wouldn't have been left to swing in the breeze by 18 clubs.
I think it's time to let it go

[Bulldog Revolution]

Good luck to Jarrad with the next steps of his footy career

[Rocco Jones]

OK I here some defenses of his goal kicking, main one seems to be he isn't alone at being a poor set shot. Dahl, Stringer, Hunter and Crameri are same names I've read. Thing is, they all have much stronger all round games. Grant has quick hands, explosive pace and is very brave when motivated. Are these really enough?

[bulldogtragic]

OK I here some defenses of his goal kicking, main one seems to be he isn't alone at being a poor set shot. Dahl, Stringer, Hunter and Crameri are same names I've read. Thing is, they all have much stronger all round games. Grant has quick hands, explosive pace and is very brave when motivated. Are these really enough?

apparently not.

[LostDoggy]

Not really, the fact that he couldn't secure longer term contracts in his last couple of seasons indicates to me that we had significant doubts at his position in the paying list. Once a number of the youngsters stepped forward this season, Grant moved down the order.
On football ability and experience we could have found another spot for him but the fact that we won't even consider a rookie spot for him is a strong indicator there is something else to this story.

Given the season he had with us he has given himself the best chance to get a spot elsewhere. If I were Grant, I'd have my manager talking to Brisbane and telling them I'd play for very low money and see if that would peak their interest.

Moving to QLD on low money is probably not an option.

I'm a bit flat about him leaving because I was just starting to like the guy, but if I get in my DeLorean and go back to March, I see myself congratulating the club on finally making a hard call on Grant and Ayce.

[LostDoggy]

All the best Spindle and good luck for the future.
Thank's for the rollercoaster ride.

[Raw Toast]

This sucks (at least from my perspective), football can be cruel, I'm thankful for his time at the club and wish him all the best for the future.

[The Underdog]

I'm disappointed in a fashion as I thought Jarrad might finally be starting to show some return (aside from the end of 2013 form explosion). However I do think that with the role he finished up playing that a McLean, Daniel or Dale could quite easily play the same role to largely the same effect if not better in the long term.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I still don't think we saw his best. If only he didn't have a brain, I think his body could kick those goals. I saw him at preseason training was it '14 or '13? kick to kick to and from goal. Grant was taking all the marks, was clearly the dominant mark out there and was slotting the goals. I think he underperformed in these skills and his goal kicking became a nut case.

[Templeton31]

Farewell Spindles. I enjoyed seeing you play. When you got it right it was great - a cracking one grab mark, the chase down tackles, the clever handballs and the odd goal. Those 5 against Essendon will not be forgotten. Good luck and thanks for your efforts in the red white and blue - 80 odd games is more than I'll ever play. Congratulations.

[1eyedog]

Farewell Spindles. I enjoyed seeing you play. When you got it right it was great - a cracking one grab mark, the chase down tackles, the clever handballs and the odd goal. Those 5 against Essendon will not be forgotten. Good luck and thanks for your efforts in the red white and blue - 80 odd games is more than I'll ever play. Congratulations.

You already forgot, it was 6 :p

[Sedat]

You already forgot, it was 6 :p
His game against Carlton a few weeks earlier was even better. Kicked 4 goals from memory but was in everything - probably his most complete AFL game.

Shame his AFL career looks over. His best is clearly AFL standard but he does flash in and out of games too much for a player in the system as long as he's been. I was in the 'keep him for another year' camp but I do understand the rationale for not doing so.

[Greystache]

His game against Carlton a few weeks earlier was even better. Kicked 4 goals from memory but was in everything - probably his most complete AFL game.

I think you might be remembering a game from a few years later, maybe 2013.

In 2010 he kicked 1 goal from 12 touches against Carlton in a thumping win. Hall kicked 6.

[Sedat]

I think you might be remembering a game from a few years later, maybe 2013.

In 2010 he kicked 1 goal from 12 touches against Carlton in a thumping win. Hall kicked 6.
Yep, definitely the 2013 game at Etihad (late in the season when we won a few and then stupidly extended McCartney's contract). Easily his best AFL game.

[KT31]

Yep, definitely the 2013 game at Etihad (late in the season when we won a few and then stupidly extended McCartney's contract). Easily his best AFL game.

So its Grants fault we extended BMacs contract, should of got rid of him earlier then.:)

[Axe Man]

Clayton not ready to admit defeat yet!

Delisted Dog Jarrad Grant on Suns' radar (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-28/delisted-dog-jarrad-grant-on-suns-radar)

GOLD Coast has turned its attention to former Western Bulldogs forward Jarrad Grant as the Suns looks to add a versatile forward to their set-up.

The Dogs did not offer the 26-year-old free agent a contract despite him playing 19 games in 2015 and he was officially delisted after last week's trade period.

Grant is due back from overseas later this week but AFL.com.au understands Suns officials have been in discussions around potentially acquiring Grant who is now a delisted free agent.

The Suns made a strong play this year for former Demon Jeremy Howe, who eventually decided to stay in Victoria and join Collingwood, and then made a bid for Carlton's Andrejs Everitt on the final day of the NAB AFL Trade period.

Grant, who was selected with pick No.5 in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, played 81 games for the Bulldogs after making his debut in 2009 under current Suns coach Rodney Eade.

He played three seasons under Eade and kicked 45 goals in 36 games in 2010 and 2011 before Eade was replaced.

Grant struggled for consistency after Eade left, performing well in patches but being guilty of drifting in and out of games at times.

He has pace, is smart with the ball in hands and provides an x-factor when at his best.

He averaged 14 disposals a game and took 16 marks inside 50 in 2015 and was considered unlucky to be delisted. He also played in Footscray's 2014 VFL premiership team.

The Suns managed to acquire experienced West Coast midfielder Matt Rosa and North Melbourne ruckman Daniel Currie during the trade period as well as set themselves up for the next two drafts with early picks.

The delisted free agency period opens on Saturday.

[bulldogtragic]

Good luck Jarrad, I hope you get another chance.

[jeemak]

Good luck to him.

[GVGjr]

Ideal scenario for him. I think he could make a go of it and hope that he does.

[EasternWest]

I hope they pick him up and I hope he does well.

[F'scary]

It is not going to be great watching him run out in Suns colours against us. But otherwise, I hope the best for the rest of his career.

[boydogs]

It is not going to be great watching him run out in Suns colours against us

Time to update your signature then ;)


Clayton not ready to admit defeat yet!

Haha, we should have known they would be interested

[F'scary]

Time to update your signature then ;)



It is not a done deal yet. We could still rookie list him.

[boydogs]

It is not a done deal yet. We could still rookie list him.

Gee, that would be awkward. Supporters have been unleashing on him like a friend does at your girlfriend after you break up with her

[1eyedog]

Gee, that would be awkward. Supporters have been unleashing on him like a friend does at your girlfriend after you break up with her

They've been unleashing on him his entire career he'd be used to it.

My feeling is Jarrad has been largely played out of position. He's a small forward and has played his best football there. If we turn Honeychurch into a small forward this year it will be even more perplexing because other than defensive pressure, which incidentally Jarrad was becoming much better at, if Honey is better than Jarrad there I'll eat my hat.

[always right]

It is not a done deal yet. We could still rookie list him.
I think the club has been pretty categoric. Jarrad won't be with us next year.

[Ghost Dog]

We lose something but we gain something too. Someone gets a dip at his role. Baily Dale, Jack McCrae, Rourke, there are a few that could do his role well.