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Hotdog60
13-10-2012, 09:51 AM
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AFL.COM.AU's Under-18s expert Jason Phelan takes a look at his top 20 prospects for this year's NAB AFL Draft.

Lachie Whitfield, Dandenong Stingrays, 184cm, 77kg, 18/7/94
Draft range: 1-3
Whitfield battled a virus in the week leading up to the NAB AFL Draft Combine and did very little testing as a result, but the dual All-Australian and Larke medallist had little to gain from testing anyway. He could have given Bradley Hill's 16.1 beep test record a nudge - his personal best is a 16.4 - but his credentials as an elite midfield prospect don't need to be enhanced any further.

Jimmy Toumpas, Woodville-West Torrens, 182cm, 78kg, 2/1/94
Draft range: 1-3
The classy South Australian midfielder had hip surgery soon after the national carnival finished, which ruled him out of the rest of the season and prevented him from testing at the combine, but he already had the runs on the board. His efforts for SA and the Eagles in a senior premiership team last year make him a bona fide top-three selection.

Ollie Wines, Bendigo Pioneers, 188cm, 90kg, 7/10/94
Draft range: 3-7
Wines is one of the most complete onballers in the draft. He has an elite endurance base, is hard at it around the stoppages, a ferocious tackler and is already physically developed to the point where he will be capable of playing plenty of senior footy in his first year in the AFL. He won All Australian honours after averaging 24 possessions in four games for Vic Country and was named in the Pioneers' best players in nine of his 10 games in the TAC Cup this year.

Jonathan O'Rourke, Calder Cannons, 184cm, 73kg, 21/4/94
Draft range: 3-7
O'Rourke is a classy midfielder who makes excellent decisions and has the skills to match. He's quick off the mark, but also has exceptional endurance, which makes him one of the more-rounded midfield prospects in the pool. He won All Australian selection after an excellent championships with Vic Metro and was interviewed extensively by hopeful AFL clubs at the combine.

Brodie Grundy, Sturt, 202cm, 100kg, 15/4/94
Draft range: 3-7
The Sturt giant is widely regarded as the best big man in the draft and it's a credit to him that he sits comfortably in this class given his relatively short time in the game, having crossed over from basketball as a 16-year-old. He earned high praise from former Crows talent spotter Matt Rendell, who did some ruck coaching with SA during the champs, and is a competitive beast who is physically developed enough to play AFL footy in his first season. Dual All-Australian.

Jack Viney, Casey Scorpions, 178cm, 82kg, 13/4/94
The combative onballer played sparingly this year, which had a bit to do with the broken jaw he suffered in his first VFL game, but the Demons knew what they had on their hands all along and were delighted when he slipped to their pick 26 in father-son bidding. Gold Coast threatened to spoil the party at one point, but Viney handled all the conjecture over where he would play his footy in 2013 with aplomb and is ready to start ripping into contests from round one next season.

Lachie Plowman, Calder Cannons, 192cm, 84kg, 11/9/94
Draft range: 5-10
The athletic Cannons defender will be one of the most sought-after tall backs at the draft despite missing a large chunk of the 2012 season, including the national carnival, after dislocating an elbow. Plowman reads the play well, is an excellent decision maker, a strong organisational influence in the back half and isn't afraid to leave his man to help a teammate or rebound further afield.

Sam Mayes, North Adelaide, 187cm, 78kg, 20/5/94
Draft range: 5-10
After being named All Australian centre half-forward as a bottom ager in 2011, Mayes had a quiet champs by his standards this year. The forward-midfielder showed flashes of brilliance - he kicked a goal that would have done Steve Johnson proud down in Geelong - but it wasn't until he returned home to SA that his class began to shine through once again. His SANFL side the Roosters went deep into the finals and Mayes was a regular contributor at senior level.

Jackson Macrae, Oakleigh Chargers, 189cm, 76kg, 3/8/94
Draft range: 5-10
Macrae is a busy midfielder whose draft stocks have steadily risen this year. He booted six goals against Tasmania at Visy Park at the under-18s carnival and was a key member of the Chargers' TAC Cup-winning team. The left-footer starred with 44 touches in a representative schools match later in the season that is a key indicator for AFL recruiters each year. He finished equal-second in the goalkicking test at the combine.

Joe Daniher, Calder Cannons, 201cm, 89kg, 4/3/94
The Bombers picked up Anthony's son with the No.10 selection as expected, but there's little doubt Daniher would've been vying with Lachie Whitfield to be taken first overall at the national draft had he not been a father-son prospect. The towering forward-ruckman was carefully managed this year - he did not test at the combine and only played eight games for the Cannons - and will be eased into AFL life next year.

Troy Menzel, Central District, 187cm, 78kg, 22/9/94
Draft range: 5-15
Menzel's knees were a big topic of conversation amongst recruiters this year - he had LARS surgery in his right knee as a 16-year-old and partially tore his left PCL playing senior footy for the Bulldogs - but the future looks bright for the gifted forward-midfielder. A positive consultation with world-renowned knee specialist Dr Julian Feller has allayed some fears in the recruiting fraternity and enhanced his credentials as a potential top-10 pick.

Tim Membrey, Gippsland Power, 189cm, 88kg, 25/5/94
Draft range: 10-20
The Power skipper finished the year strongly with 16 goals in his last three games in the TAC Cup. He kicked a goal in every one of his 13 games for Gippsland to finish with an impressively accurate season tally of 45.22. A long season - the Power went through to the Grand Final - probably stopped the full-forward from testing brilliantly at the combine, but coach Nick Stevens maintains he has the ability and endurance to play further up the field.

Dayle Garlett, Claremont, 180cm, 75kg, 9/1/94
Draft range: 10-20
Garlett comes with some baggage, having been asked to leave the AIS-AFL Academy at the start of the year, but he appears to have turned the corner as the season progressed and on talent alone he certainly belongs in this company. He didn't do much at the combine due to back tightness, but the sublimely skilled onballer doesn't lack for confidence and is one who could excel under the bright lights of the big stage.

Kristian Jaksch, Oakleigh Chargers, 194cm, 83kg, 7/10/94
Draft range: 10-20
Jaksch is one of the most promising key position prospects in the draft. He played a lot of junior footy as a forward, but has seen more action as a key defender this year, which has helped kick along his development. His marking action can look awkward at times, but it is effective more often than not. He took 28 grabs in five games for Vic Metro and kicked a bag of six goals against Tasmania at Visy Park.

Ben Kennedy, Glenelg, 174cm, 74kg, 3/3/94
Draft range: 10-20
Kennedy is small in stature, but possesses a booming left-foot kick to complement his pace and ability to find the ball. He won All Australian honours for the second time this year after a stellar carnival that saw him gather 131 disposals in five games with 23 clearances and nine goals. He's played senior footy for the Tigers back home in SA and is a likely type later in the first round.

Nathan Hrovat, Northern Knights, 175cm, 79kg, 7/6/94
Draft range: 15-25
There's a bit of Toby Greene about Hrovat in that he isn't the most heralded - or big - onballer in the draft, but he might just be the most effective. The clearance specialist racked up 126 possessions across five games at the national championships at an efficiency rate of 75 per cent to be named Vic Metro's MVP and All Australian. He played eight games for the Knights and was named their best player on five occasions and their second-best twice.

Jake Stringer, Bendigo Pioneers, 191cm, 94kg, 25/4/94
Draft range: 15-25
Like Menzel, the Bendigo hard nut is difficult to place due to injury concerns after he badly broke his left leg in the first round of the 2011 TAC Cup competition. He worked tirelessly to make his return to footy this early this year, but his running gait still appears to be affected. Kicking is one of Stringer's strengths - he booted nine goals in his first game back for the Pioneers and managed a perfect score in the goalkicking test at the combine. He also finished equal first in the clean hands test.

Nick Vlastuin, Northern Knights, 187cm, 86kg, 19/4/94
Draft range: 15-25
The Vic Metro captain's pace is a concern to some, but he is one of the 'purest' footballers in the draft. He loves a contest, brings strong leadership, reads the play like few of his contemporaries can and disposes of the ball cleanly. He was given All Australian honours at the national carnival and was named high in the Knights' best players in their last four games of the season.

Nick Graham, Gippsland Power, 183cm, 79kg, 12/6/94
Draft range: 15-25
The prolific onballer capped a stellar year by taking out the Morrish Medal, and he was the Power's best player in the pressure-packed environment of the TAC Cup Grand Final, which is always a big tick for recruiters. He averaged 25 possessions a game, has a strong competitive streak, is a good distributor by foot and is a ferocious tackler - averaging just over six per match.

Hotdog60
13-10-2012, 09:55 AM
Any of the top 4 on this list would be a good get question is will any of them get to number 5.

bornadog
13-10-2012, 10:04 AM
I think we will land with a couple of handy players with picks 5 & 6. Agree top four look good along with Mayes and Macrae.

Menzel of course is the interesting one as is Garlett. I prefer we build up our midfielders than go for a Grundy type.

Hotdog60
13-10-2012, 10:29 AM
Would Tim Membrey help with our forward woes to add a bit more firepower. It's going to be interesting to see which way the club goes.

Jonathan O'Rourke has a good right up and if he has pace and exceptional endurance would be ok too.

azabob
13-10-2012, 10:33 AM
I am no expert but I would like us to look at a midfielder at pick 5 say an O'Rourke type and a Plowmann at 6.

I think we will grab Wines if he is available and another midfielder of some sorts. Ideally we keep pick 21 and select someone who has slid.

The danger in taking Menzel / Stringer who have had injury concerns for every Joel Selwood and Chris Judd their is your Beau Muston who just couldn't get over his injuries and turned out to be a wasted pick.

DOG GOD
13-10-2012, 11:02 AM
I'm hoping for Orourke at 5.... I think the top 4 will be...

GWS- Whitfield
GWS- toumpas
GWS- plowman or Grundy
Melbourne- wines or orourke.

bulldogsman
13-10-2012, 11:33 AM
Can't wait for the draft to arrive!

Would prefer others over Wines, but I can see us us getting him.

Interesting Josh Simpson hasn't been mentioned, I hope we look at him with pick 21 or at Stringer if available.

The Bulldogs Bite
13-10-2012, 11:38 AM
Can't wait for the draft to arrive!

Would prefer others over Wines, but I can see us us getting him.

Interesting Josh Simpson hasn't been mentioned, I hope we look at him with pick 21 or at Stringer if available.

Yeah, I think it's a very likely we'd take him if he's still there but as you said, I'd prefer others.

I tend to think Melbourne will jump at O'Rourke with 4.

DOG GOD
13-10-2012, 11:48 AM
I tend to think Melbourne will jump at O'Rourke with 4.

Yep, that's my thoughts as well...that would be typical with taking Martin over us and the whole viney episode .

anfo27
13-10-2012, 12:14 PM
What are Melbournes ruck stocks like? I would of thought if Grundy was there the dees would take him.

I like the sounds of O'Rourke, Plowman, Garlett & Mayes. Pick 21 could get us a nice surprise slider. If Menzel slides to 21 do we risk that pick on him?

bornadog
13-10-2012, 12:23 PM
If Menzel slides to 21 do we risk that pick on him?

Won't happen, but yes

SlimPickens
13-10-2012, 12:25 PM
What are Melbournes ruck stocks like? I would of thought if Grundy was there the dees would take him.

I like the sounds of O'Rourke, Plowman, Garlett & Mayes. Pick 21 could get us a nice surprise slider. If Menzel slides to 21 do we risk that pick on him?

Melbourne have both Gawn and Fitzpatrick as ruck prospects. I think Plowman may be in Melbournes sights as they're likely to lose Rivers, I'm hoping Grundy goes to GWS to be honest pushing midfield types like O'Rourke, Macrae, Wines, Garlett etc towards our picks.

SlimPickens
13-10-2012, 12:26 PM
Won't happen, but yes

It may that knee has recruiters very scared.

Hotdog60
13-10-2012, 12:32 PM
What are Melbournes ruck stocks like? I would of thought if Grundy was there the dees would take him.

From what I tell the Dees have four or five ruck options but two are very raw and have had knee reco's in the last 12 months. It would be good if they go for Grundy and leave some skilled midfielders for us.

Desipura
13-10-2012, 12:49 PM
Can't see Gartlett even be considered by us, Wines may be one pick we will be celebrating.

Remi Moses
13-10-2012, 01:07 PM
No more inside mid types, pleeeeeease!
Personally like O'Rourke and Stringer. Plowman would be a good get as well.
Hopefully there's a slider at 21, would think losing Moloney Dees might go with Wines.

chef
13-10-2012, 03:15 PM
Can't wait for the draft to arrive!

Would prefer others over Wines, but I can see us us getting him.

Interesting Josh Simpson hasn't been mentioned, I hope we look at him with pick 21 or at Stringer if available.

I would be happy to take him 5 or 6(not that I have much of a clue when it comes to drafting), looks good from the limited vision I have seen and is exactly what we need. Hoping to get O'Rourke or Garlett with our other pick.

bornadog
13-10-2012, 05:30 PM
I would be happy to take him 5 or 6(not that I have much of a clue when it comes to drafting), looks good from the limited vision I have seen and is exactly what we need. Hoping to get O'Rourke or Garlett with our other pick.

I don't believe he is in the top ten.

GVGjr
13-10-2012, 05:38 PM
I don't believe he is in the top ten.

Stringer?

Desipura
13-10-2012, 05:51 PM
Stringer?

Stringer is in the top 5 or 6. ;)

bornadog
13-10-2012, 05:55 PM
Stringer?

Yes, I don't believe he has been ranked in the top ten. I think he will go in the teens.

GVGjr
13-10-2012, 05:58 PM
Stringer is in the top 5 or 6. ;)


Your contacts are normally very good but in this instance I hope they are a bit off the mark.

chef
13-10-2012, 06:33 PM
Your contacts are normally very good but in this instance I hope they are a bit off the mark.

Who do you like Gary for our first two picks?

Desipura
13-10-2012, 06:42 PM
Your contacts are normally very good but in this instance I hope they are a bit off the mark.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you? Why don't you rate him higher? Does he not get enough of the ball?

GVGjr
13-10-2012, 06:52 PM
Who do you like Gary for our first two picks?

I was just discussing this with a couple of other forum members. It's such and even draft that picks 5 and 6 are difficult spots to pick from.

No one really stands out to me at the moment and the players I like probably won't go anywhere near the picks we have.

Plowman really appeals to me although his combine results especially his sprinting weren't anything to get too excited about. That said. he is a creative player and I want us to select him at pick 5.

O'Rourke is very good midfielder and a safe pick. Garlett is the one that has the run and carry we need but will be a challenging guy for coaches.

Need to give pick 6 options some more thought.

chef
13-10-2012, 07:04 PM
Yes, I don't believe he has been ranked in the top ten. I think he will go in the teens.

I've seen him ranked in the top ten for talent, this was a ten that included Viney, Daniher, O'meara and Crouch(not saying it's correct).

I guess it will come down to how people see him getting over his broken leg and if it will affect his future football.

GVGjr
13-10-2012, 07:16 PM
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you? Why don't you rate him higher? Does he not get enough of the ball?

At 190.5cm I don't think he can become a KP player and I'm not sure he has the running capacity to make it as a flanker.

At pick 21 I think he might be worth a bite but I'd like to think we target more mobile players.