End of Season - Trade Targets

[soupman]

Is there a possibility of shaking out a quality young player not on the outer?

A guy at work suggested Zac Clarke of Freo. Offer him a very good contract to entice him to move, I'm just not sure how we get Freo to send him to us without using the psd. If we got him though that would mean our ruck is sorted for the next 10 years, and he can play effectively as that 2nd ruck/forward.

The only method I can imagine working atm is through the psd with GWS and Melbourne both committing to other players.

[SlimPickens]

A couple of points here.
Carlton would only be interested in getting the number 1 pick so they could select Boyd. I doubt picks 2, 3, 4 or 5 would give them much more they what they can get at their natural pick.
Yarran had some attitude issues so I doubt we would be that interested in him.

To me one of the best options of trading down a pick would be with Port Power who might have some genuine interest in getting one of the local boys in Aish or Scharenberg.
A quick scan of their list has injury prone players like Butcher or Moore that might have some limited appeal for us.

It's an interesting option to forgo and early pick to acquire something else. and I guess the thing that would most interest us is early picks. Getting teams to part with them won't be easy though.

An interesting point Gary. Not convinced port are the team to go after, Adelaide on the other hand will definitely want to trade back into the first two rounds of the draft. I wouldn't be looking at periphery players either. If they want one of our first or second round picks I'd be looking at a Sloane or Talia type.

[LostDoggy]

Is there a possibility of shaking out a quality young player not on the outer?

A guy at work suggested Zac Clarke of Freo. Offer him a very good contract to entice him to move, I'm just not sure how we get Freo to send him to us without using the psd. If we got him though that would mean our ruck is sorted for the next 10 years, and he can play effectively as that 2nd ruck/forward.

The only method I can imagine working atm is through the psd with GWS and Melbourne both committing to other players.

Interesting scenario apart from the fact that Sandi is finished and I don't think Hannath is anything special. Once Griffen comes back they'll probably run the West Coast ruck approach.

[soupman]

Interesting scenario apart from the fact that Sandi is finished and I don't think Hannath is anything special. Once Griffen comes back they'll probably run the West Coast ruck approach.

I know but it depends how much they can afford to throw at him really. We should have much more cap space, and at worst it forces them to overpay.

[LostDoggy]

An interesting point Gary. Not convinced port are the team to go after, Adelaide on the other hand will definitely want to trade back into the first two rounds of the draft. I wouldn't be looking at periphery players either. If they want one of our first or second round picks I'd be looking at a Sloane or Talia type.

Got one that might work:

Dogs give Adelaide picks 3, 22 and 40
GWS give Adelaide pick 19 (keeping 1 and 10 for the draft)
Adelaide give Dogs Dan Talia
Adelaide give GWS Rory Sloane
GWS give Dogs Kirstin Jaksch

We are overpaying to get Sloane out but get a tall forward maybe surplus for GWS in return. Depends how highly they rate him as part of a future flag tilt vs getting Sloane to bolster their age and talent.

[Bulldog4life]

An interesting point Gary. Not convinced port are the team to go after, Adelaide on the other hand will definitely want to trade back into the first two rounds of the draft. I wouldn't be looking at periphery players either. If they want one of our first or second round picks I'd be looking at a Sloane or Talia type.

Good point Slim. Adelaide do want to trade to get into the first two rounds of the draft.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-crows-bid-to-trade-up/story-fnia3xzz-1226676716997

[LostDoggy]

Or maybe

Dogs give GWS pick 3
Dogs get Kirstin Jaksch and pick 19

Might need to move these to the Get Tom Boyd area. More than one way to skin a cat...

[Throughandthrough]

Got one that might work:

Dogs give Adelaide picks 3, 22 and 40
GWS give Adelaide pick 19 (keeping 1 and 10 for the draft)
Adelaide give Dogs Dan Talia
Adelaide give GWS Rory Sloane
GWS give Dogs Kirstin Jaksch

We are overpaying to get Sloane out but get a tall forward maybe surplus for GWS in return. Depends how highly they rate him as part of a future flag tilt vs getting Sloane to bolster their age and talent.


The Adelaide Media and Crows fanz all want to have Sloane's Baby, so that will never happen.

But to summarise dogs lose picks 3, 22 and 40, and get Talia and Jackschit

Scharenberg could be as good, if not better, than Talia.

[Ghost Dog]

Them giving up Sloane is like us giving up Griffen for goodness sake.

[Maddog37]

Danger is their Griff. Sloane is like their Libba.

[azabob]

With Adelaide missing the first two rounds of this years draft, could we package up a player and or pick for Daniel Talia? Or would he be on their untouchable list?


An interesting point Gary. Not convinced port are the team to go after, Adelaide on the other hand will definitely want to trade back into the first two rounds of the draft. I wouldn't be looking at periphery players either. If they want one of our first or second round picks I'd be looking at a Sloane or Talia type.

I suggest this earlier in the thread. A few posters believe Daniel Talia would be off limits.

[G-Mo77]

I suggest this earlier in the thread. A few posters believe Daniel Talia would be off limits.

Off limits because of how much Adelaide would ask for him. If you dangled a big carrot in front of Adelaide I'm sure they'd have a sniff at the very least.

[LostDoggy]

The Adelaide Media and Crows fanz all want to have Sloane's Baby, so that will never happen.

But to summarise dogs lose picks 3, 22 and 40, and get Talia and Jackschit

Scharenberg could be as good, if not better, than Talia.

We get the winner of the rising star fullback and a pick 12 forward who was rated very highly in his draft year and has the height and ability our forward line needs. Most clubs would trade 22 and 40 for pick 12. Jack Reiwoldt was pick 11 and we'd be happy if Kirsten ended up 3/4 as well. It's always easy to knock these suggestions as its either bigfooty wishing on a star or it always looks like you are paying too much and generally you are. You have to pay to get - it doesn't work giving up Higgins to get Tom Boyd.

FWIW I think Scharenberg is likely to be very good but this trade gets us the forward we need as well in a year there is literally Jackschit in the forward pool so it's something like this or overpay for Gumby and cross all fingers and toes.

Adelaide's media have already suggested trading Sloane which is where I got the idea. Think the girlies over there would need to order extra tissues if they did this deal though!

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Is there a possibility of shaking out a quality young player not on the outer?

A guy at work suggested Zac Clarke of Freo. Offer him a very good contract to entice him to move, I'm just not sure how we get Freo to send him to us without using the psd. If we got him though that would mean our ruck is sorted for the next 10 years, and he can play effectively as that 2nd ruck/forward.

The only method I can imagine working atm is through the psd with GWS and Melbourne both committing to other players.

Good post/suggestion soupaman, I really like it.

Clarke's an exciting raw talent, would certainly help our list moving forward.

[Dry Rot]

Got one that might work:

Dogs give Adelaide picks 3, 22 and 40
GWS give Adelaide pick 19 (keeping 1 and 10 for the draft)
Adelaide give Dogs Dan Talia
Adelaide give GWS Rory Sloane
GWS give Dogs Kirstin Jaksch

We are overpaying to get Sloane out but get a tall forward maybe surplus for GWS in return. Depends how highly they rate him as part of a future flag tilt vs getting Sloane to bolster their age and talent.

I still think that we are a chance for Boyd if we finish third last and GWS get Franklin.

Is Jaksch any good as a forward? He won't get a game at GWS as a forward and did I read somewhere he is unhappy there and could leave next season?

Could we simplify Superdog's trade with something like this:

Dogs give pick 3. GWS give Dogs picks 10 and 19 and Jaksch.

Dunno whether it's a good idea though.

[chef]

I'd rather hang onto 3 and get the third best kid in the draft.

[bornadog]

I'd rather hang onto 3 and get the third best kid in the draft.

me too.

[LostDoggy]

Ok honestly I'd rather keep pick 3 as well unless we could massage Talia into the deal.

Anyone got any bright ideas on how else we could get Jaksch?

He's mates with Hrovat and McRae, a pick 12 forward and on the GWS fringe.

Ticks so many boxes for the right price (but I want Aish or Sharenberg for pick 3 so that isn't it...)

[G-Mo77]

Aye from me for keeping our pick and using it on the best available player. It could be #2 by the end of the year.

[bornadog]

Ok honestly I'd rather keep pick 3 as well unless we could massage Talia into the deal.

Anyone got any bright ideas on how else we could get Jaksch?

He's mates with Hrovat and McRae, a pick 12 forward and on the GWS fringe.

Ticks so many boxes for the right price (but I want Aish or Sharenberg for pick 3 so that isn't it...)

What about a second rounder plus a player? Would they want Addison, NSW lad?

[LostDoggy]

Who would trade 12 for 22 & 40 ??

[The Underdog]

What about a second rounder plus a player? Would they want Addison, NSW lad?

I can't imagine why they would, he's fringe for us and we're terrible. He's got very little value and the local thing doesn't mean much if he's not a name.

[bornadog]

I can't imagine why they would, he's fringe for us and we're terrible. He's got very little value and the local thing doesn't mean much if he's not a name.

Yeah, I just threw up a name. But would a pick and player work? The point is we don't know whether Jaksch can play? He hasn't even debuted yet.

[The Underdog]

Yeah, I just threw up a name. But would a pick and player work? The point is we don't know whether Jaksch can play? He hasn't even debuted yet.

Might even get him for a straight 2nd round given it'll be around 22-23. Most draft picks are like new cars, they drop in price as soon as you drive them off the yard. Is he a better choice than Gumbleton who would likely cost us the same pick.

[Bulldog4life]

Yeah, I just threw up a name. But would a pick and player work? The point is we don't know whether Jaksch can play? He hasn't even debuted yet.

According to Sheedy he will this year.

[LostDoggy]

Might even get him for a straight 2nd round given it'll be around 22-23. Most draft picks are like new cars, they drop in price as soon as you drive them off the yard. Is he a better choice than Gumbleton who would likely cost us the same pick.

He's still this years model. Closer analogy would be a new toy, still in the box, clingwrap on. We'd get a discount as its not store bought but it will be 5 percent at best. Wait three years and if he's like Grant he has minimal value if he's J Reiwoldt we can no longer afford him. I'd rather just pay pick 12 value now - hence maybe it's pick 22 + something. I'm just not convinced we have a something they would want/we would part with so we probably need to look at a three way deal with more complications to get a fair outcome.

Or we just draft. Which won't nett us a forward. Unless a miracle happens.

[Topdog]

Or we just draft. Which won't nett us a forward. Unless a miracle happens.

Are there no key forwards in next years draft? Cos I can guarantee we wont be out of the bottom 4 next season.

[LostDoggy]

Are there no key forwards in next years draft? Cos I can guarantee we wont be out of the bottom 4 next season.

It's likely. There's a couple touted out of SA playing for
West Adelaide and at least 1 for Vic Country who's mean't to
go Ok. What happens if we get pick 1 or 2 and there are two O'mearas before the talls fall in draft order though? It's just too inexact. Better of trying to cut a deal now if we can find the right fit. If we get to draft one next year as well - we can probably find room for another one you would think :)

[Dancin' Douggy]

I know Easton Wood's been injured A LOT. But wasn't Sheedy chasing him at one point?

He's a forgotten man but could he possibly have some value in a deal?

Right age group for them and he does look the goods when he's on song.

[Remi Moses]

It's likely. There's a couple touted out of SA playing for
West Adelaide and at least 1 for Vic Country who's mean't to
go Ok. What happens if we get pick 1 or 2 and there are two O'mearas before the talls fall in draft order though? It's just too inexact. Better of trying to cut a deal now if we can find the right fit. If we get to draft one next year as well - we can probably find room for another one you would think :)

There was under Ager Mccartin

[LostDoggy]

I know Easton Wood's been injured A LOT. But wasn't Sheedy chasing him at one point?

He's a forgotten man but could he possibly have some value in a deal?

Right age group for them and he does look the goods when he's on song.

He's about the only inclusion I can think of that might fly. Still think GWS would balk though and could probably get a better offer via Brisbane/Carlton/Saints. Look at the massive overs the Saints (IMO) paid for Tom Lee last year. Would have been better off keeping pick 12 and drafting I think.

[LostDoggy]

There was under Ager Mccartin

Might be the Vic County guy I'm thinking of?

[LostDoggy]

I mentioned him a while back, but I think Jackson Paine would be getting pretty pissed off sitting in the reserves at Collingwood with them playing mainly Cloke and a bunch of mosquitoes.

[GVGjr]

Is there a possibility of shaking out a quality young player not on the outer?

A guy at work suggested Zac Clarke of Freo. Offer him a very good contract to entice him to move, I'm just not sure how we get Freo to send him to us without using the psd. If we got him though that would mean our ruck is sorted for the next 10 years, and he can play effectively as that 2nd ruck/forward.

.

Freo stitched him up on a long deal early in the season.

[bulldogtragic]

I mentioned him a while back, but I think Jackson Paine would be getting pretty pissed off sitting in the reserves at Collingwood with them playing mainly Cloke and a bunch of mosquitoes.
Tell me more, I have zero knowledge.

[G-Mo77]

I mentioned him a while back, but I think Jackson Paine would be getting pretty pissed off sitting in the reserves at Collingwood with them playing mainly Cloke and a bunch of mosquitoes.

I'm not that familiar with Paine, thinking about it I don't think I've even seen him play. Speaking of big lads at the Pies would Lachlan Keefe be someone of interest? I saw him a few times last year and thought he looked pretty good. He's just returned from an ACL injury, 3 games in and has been BOG the last 2 weeks in the VFL. My Collingwood friend is always pumping up his tires but he's a pretty good judge. He wasn't to happy about losing Young to us and I've since apologised for giving my assessment of Tom Young early on.

[LostDoggy]

Jackson Paine - Collingwood

Has been playing well at VFL level, averaging about 3 goals per game. Hasn't had a look in so far this season, they've been going fairly small outside of Cloke, resting Jolly and makeshifts like Reid.

He's 20, pick 50 in 2011. Has 6 goals from 8 games at AFL level in 2012. Listed at 194 and 98 kg.

BT, See above

[LostDoggy]

Speaking of big lads at the Pies would Lachlan Keefe be someone of interest? I saw him a few times last year and thought he looked pretty good. He's just returned from an ACL injury, 3 games in and has been BOG the last 2 weeks in the VFL. My Collingwood friend is always pumping up his tires but he's a pretty good judge. He wasn't to happy about losing Young to us and I've since apologised for giving my assessment of Tom Young early on.

I rated him. He came on pretty fast from the first couple of times I saw him when I thought hr had some deficiencies which included his disposal.

They're in a bit if a conundrum down back. Harry O problems, Maxwell gets a little exposed when he doesn't have the support down there, Brown has traditionally been an injury worry and where's Coleman hopeful Reid's future?

Annoys me we didn't rookie Jack Frost, who I'd be more interested in at out level of development.

[G-Mo77]

Annoys me we didn't rookie Jack Frost, who I'd be more interested in at out level of development.

I heard we were interested a year before that, pretty sure he trained with us at some point. I fell a bit out of the loop with the VFL news late last year so don't know exactly what soured us. The hip injuries probably frightened us away if I was to guess.

[GVGjr]

An interesting point Gary. Not convinced port are the team to go after, Adelaide on the other hand will definitely want to trade back into the first two rounds of the draft. I wouldn't be looking at periphery players either. If they want one of our first or second round picks I'd be looking at a Sloane or Talia type.

The Crows won't let Talia go and given we really need to target a forward I don't think the Crows would be a good partner for us.

North obviously have Tarrant, Black and Daw and might part with Tarrant. I'm not convinced of the worth of Tarrant given the injuries he has experienced.

Hard to say who might be interested in doing a deal with us.

[GVGjr]

Who would trade 12 for 22 & 40 ??

Not me.

Picks inside of 30 are valuable but things do thin out.

Trading pick 3 or 4 for pick 8 and an upgraded 2nd round pick is one thing but moving down that far wouldn't help.

[LostDoggy]

The Crows won't let Talia go and given we really need to target a forward I don't think the Crows would be a good partner for us.

North obviously have Tarrant, Black and Daw and might part with Tarrant. I'm not convinced of the worth of Tarrant given the injuries he has experienced.

Hard to say who might be interested in doing a deal with us.

I we send Bob, Macca, Dan's brother and Granddad over to SA to take young Danial out to a pub somewhere and sing songs of bulldog days of old. If he pushed for the trade then Adelaide would surely get behind it? If the cats are allowed to pull that kind of shite then I say let's have at it.

[Greystache]

I we send Bob, Macca, Dan's brother and Granddad over to SA to take young Danial out to a pub somewhere and sing songs of bulldog days of old. If he pushed for the trade then Adelaide would surely get behind it? If the cats are allowed to pull that kind of shite then I say let's have at it.

He barracked for Carlton as a kid, I'm not sure that would have much impact Unfortunately.

[LostDoggy]

Someone I'd enjoy us enquiring about is Liam McBean from Richmond.

Pick 33 in last years draft. He appears very good value, but hasn't got a look in so far, only being named emergency once last week I believe.

For those that haven't seen/know him, he's 200 plus, and 85'ish kgs, but has excellent mobility, agility, groundwork and hands for someone his height. He's averaged over two goals a game in the VFL to date.

Like us, the Tigers are short on genuine ruck options with Maric being their only true effective ruckman. Vickery is a more natural forward and Derrickx has done nothing and will surely be delisted at seasons end. They need ruck options.

My thinking is that Tom Campbell has a better chance of being our next in line than Cordy for the ruck in the future. Cordy isn't a forward realistically. McBean has the potential to mature into a mobile, viable forward target in the next three seasons.

My thinking is that something like a swap of both and exchange of second round picks.

[Throughandthrough]

My man Jarryd Lyons must have gone up a few rungs after his great game Friday night

[always right]

Someone I'd enjoy us enquiring about is Liam McBean from Richmond.

Pick 33 in last years draft. He appears very good value, but hasn't got a look in so far, only being named emergency once last week I believe.

For those that haven't seen/know him, he's 200 plus, and 85'ish kgs, but has excellent mobility, agility, groundwork and hands for someone his height. He's averaged over two goals a game in the VFL to date.

Like us, the Tigers are short on genuine ruck options with Maric being their only true effective ruckman. Vickery is a more natural forward and Derrickx has done nothing and will surely be delisted at seasons end. They need ruck options.

My thinking is that Tom Campbell has a better chance of being our next in line than Cordy for the ruck in the future. Cordy isn't a forward realistically. McBean has the potential to mature into a mobile, viable forward target in the next three seasons.

My thinking is that something like a swap of both and exchange of second round picks.

Sorry...I must be missing something. Why would they trade McFly if they're "short on genuine ruck options"?

[LostDoggy]

Ignore the height in relation to being a ruckman, it's his other characteristics that make him attractive.

The ruck conversation is the relationship to their situation/Cordy.

McBean would be wasted as a ruckman in the future.

[Mofra]

Sorry...I must be missing something. Why would they trade McFly if they're "short on genuine ruck options"?
Why would we trade a F/S who has ~30 odd games to go in his development to be a regular senior player for a kid who still has 15-20kgs to put on and is probably ~50 games away from being a senior player?

Sounds like we're just downgrading a similar type player for one further behind in his development.

[LostDoggy]

I don't believe we would be Mofra. I don’t think Cordy will ever make it as a key forward. His option being only as a ruckman, which we have reasonable coverage for with Minson and Campbell – who i think will be a better ruckman around the ground than Ayce will be.

This is a move for a key forward hole that we have. Yes Cordy is more advanced game-wise, but he’s shown little improvement in where he should be for a bloke who was drafted almost five years ago – even taking into account injuries and the ‘big man’ timeframe.

I put this option up as i think McBean would offer more to us going forward than Ayce would.


If not a trade like this, where does our other KP forward come from? Give up the house for Tom Boyd? Other teams are better positioned to give GWS players they need that are surplus, where we simply aren’t. In the 23 odd years since Beasley retired we’ve only managed to self-produce one genuine KP forward in Chris Grant.

Genuine question

[Bulldog4life]

I don't believe we would be Mofra. I don’t think Cordy will ever make it as a key forward. His option being only as a ruckman, which we have reasonable coverage for with Minson and Campbell – who i think will be a better ruckman around the ground than Ayce will be.

This is a move for a key forward hole that we have. Yes Cordy is more advanced game-wise, but he’s shown little improvement in where he should be for a bloke who was drafted almost five years ago – even taking into account injuries and the ‘big man’ timeframe.

I put this option up as i think McBean would offer more to us going forward than Ayce would.


If not a trade like this, where does our other KP forward come from? Give up the house for Tom Boyd? Other teams are better positioned to give GWS players they need that are surplus, where we simply aren’t. In the 23 odd years since Beasley retired we’ve only managed to self-produce one genuine KP forward in Chris Grant.

Genuine question

http://www.strategicma.com.au/liam-mcbean/

Taken at pick 33 in the 2012 NAB AFL Draft by the Richmond Football Club, Liam has embraced the professionalism of being an AFL footballer. A Richmond fan growing up, Liam was over the moon to be selected by the club he loves.

Can't see it happening M.R.M.

[LostDoggy]

My man Jarryd Lyons must have gone up a few rungs after his great game Friday night

You love him T&T. What have you seen in him that sets him apart?

[Throughandthrough]

You love him T&T. What have you seen in him that sets him apart?

Possibly the best clearance player I've seen in the Sanfl that I can remember. Amazing ability to run towards two ruckman and un out the other side with the ball

[ReLoad]

Any chance we could get Gareth Bale? I'm happy to have a tin rattle ;)
although he may tip us over the salary cap by just a smidge.

[LostDoggy]

Any chance we could get Gareth Bale? I'm happy to have a tin rattle ;)
although he may tip us over the salary cap by just a smidge.

I don't think he barracks for us, ReLoad, so there's little use in making a play for him.

[Mofra]

I don't believe we would be Mofra. I don’t think Cordy will ever make it as a key forward. His option being only as a ruckman, which we have reasonable coverage for with Minson and Campbell – who i think will be a better ruckman around the ground than Ayce will be.
A lot of players look like they wont make it when they start - Cross took 3 years to get a rather forgettable debut. Slow, not a great kick. I'm happy with how he turned out.
We would have perhaps cut Peter Foster fromt he list in the modern era too.
Had we not sacked Rhode, Gilbee would have ended up at Collingwood.

I haven't ruled a line through Cordy for the ruck 2 role which involves significant time forward creating a contest and bringing the ball to ground, especially after less than 20 games.


This is a move for a key forward hole that we have. Yes Cordy is more advanced game-wise, but he’s shown little improvement in where he should be for a bloke who was drafted almost five years ago – even taking into account injuries and the ‘big man’ timeframe.

I put this option up as i think McBean would offer more to us going forward than Ayce would.
Based on what? He hasn't had senior AFL time as the no 1 key forward so it's impossible to compare. We're simply trading a maybe for a less development maybe which doesn't seem like smart trading. If we're taking a kid who needs time, we're better off drafting one (there seems to be a couple worthy of consideration with our round 2 pick) over overpaying for a kid under contract (2nd round draftee = automatic 2 year contract).


If not a trade like this, where does our other KP forward come from? Give up the house for Tom Boyd? Other teams are better positioned to give GWS players they need that are surplus, where we simply aren’t. In the 23 odd years since Beasley retired we’ve only managed to self-produce one genuine KP forward in Chris Grant.

Genuine question
I would consider a late pick on a VFL/SANFL forward (names like Haretuku and Hardy keep getting mentioned) and then develop our own.
We're developing Jones and the discussion this year is not "will Jones make it", rather "Jones needs support". If we get someone who can fill the void for a few years as another young tall develops I'd be happy with that.

I'm not dead set on Boyd, simply because the price will be so high - a genuine HB rebounder and a line breaking, attacking mid are just as high priorities for our side IMO and if we keep our draft picks we can fill those gaps.
Ouir trading strategy last year was bang on - picking up under valued players from elsewhere.
Trading rarely works for clubs in the bottom 4 as you generally have to pay overs to get a player to agree to sign.

[bulldogsman]

I don't believe we would be Mofra. I don’t think Cordy will ever make it as a key forward. His option being only as a ruckman, which we have reasonable coverage for with Minson and Campbell – who i think will be a better ruckman around the ground than Ayce will be.

This is a move for a key forward hole that we have. Yes Cordy is more advanced game-wise, but he’s shown little improvement in where he should be for a bloke who was drafted almost five years ago – even taking into account injuries and the ‘big man’ timeframe.

I put this option up as i think McBean would offer more to us going forward than Ayce would.


If not a trade like this, where does our other KP forward come from? Give up the house for Tom Boyd? Other teams are better positioned to give GWS players they need that are surplus, where we simply aren’t. In the 23 odd years since Beasley retired we’ve only managed to self-produce one genuine KP forward in Chris Grant.

Genuine question

The question is why would Richmond trade him or even do this trade? McBean's kicked 23 goals in 10 games in his 1st season. That's more then Cordy's ever produced.

[LostDoggy]

Can't answer that for Richmond unfortunately. Pretty sure I've related it to a specific perceived deficiency they've got in the ruck division that they've got in a previous post.

Always worth a query though.

[Remi Moses]

Ignore the height in relation to being a ruckman, it's his other characteristics that make him attractive.

The ruck conversation is the relationship to their situation/Cordy.

McBean would be wasted as a ruckman in the future.

Watching him play early in the year he was impressive.
Needs some bulk, but moved well.

[Remi Moses]

Apparently we had a nibble at Leroy Jetta last year with a three year deal.
He Re- signed for two years and now isn't getting a game.
Apparently Hird talked him into re-signing.

[Remi Moses]

Just watching a WAFL game and noticing Fraser Mcinness.
Taken in the 11 draft has been impressive so far.
Can't get a look in at West Coast, a key forward .
Any thoughts from our WA contingent?

[ReLoad]

Just watching a WAFL game and noticing Fraser Mcinness.
Taken in the 11 draft has been impressive so far.
Can't get a look in at West Coast, a key forward .
Any thoughts from our WA contingent?

Based purely on that his name sounds a lot like Kieran mcguinnes, I say we pass ;)

[LostDoggy]

Just watching a WAFL game and noticing Fraser Mcinness.
Taken in the 11 draft has been impressive so far.
Can't get a look in at West Coast, a key forward .
Any thoughts from our WA contingent?

Watched a few of the WAFL games with him playing (haven't watched last weeks) and he's been mostly out of those games. 2011 draft ?

How'd he go last week?

[always right]

Any interest in Leroy Jetta?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-look-set-to-lose-small-forward-leroy-jetta-who-is-set-to-ask-for-a-trade-at-seasons-end/story-fni5f6kv-1226681591221

Obviously the club rate him and I would have thought he fits our needs perfectly. It all depends on what we have to give up. Third round pick?

[bornadog]

Any interest in Leroy Jetta?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-look-set-to-lose-small-forward-leroy-jetta-who-is-set-to-ask-for-a-trade-at-seasons-end/story-fni5f6kv-1226681591221

Obviously the club rate him and I would have thought he fits our needs perfectly. It all depends on what we have to give up. Third round pick?

Yes please, we need a small quick forward.

[bulldogtragic]

Any interest in Leroy Jetta?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-look-set-to-lose-small-forward-leroy-jetta-who-is-set-to-ask-for-a-trade-at-seasons-end/story-fni5f6kv-1226681591221

Obviously the club rate him and I would have thought he fits our needs perfectly. It all depends on what we have to give up. Third round pick?
Pick 40 (or so) would seem about right for mine. But it is Essendon though....

[LostDoggy]

They'll want a mid second round at worst. He'd be good though.

[The Pie Man]

Interesting that the article suggested he (Jetta) was happy to come to us last year - given our now reported interest in the off season, you wouldn't have thought that interest would've waned at all.

I'd be keen - though if we also retain interest in Gumbleton & Crameri, Essendon becoming a fringe feeder to us is a strange look.

[Axe Man]

Dahlhaus and Jetta could be a great combination. We have seen Dahl struggle with the extra attention this year. With another decent small forward like Jetta if the opposition focuses on shutting one down the other may be able to get off the chain.

[Templeton31]

why hasn't he been playing at Essendon? And I'd be more interested in adding one of Crameri, Bellchambers or Gumby.

[Remi Moses]

why hasn't he been playing at Essendon? And I'd be more interested in adding one of Crameri, Bellchambers or Gumby.

You could ask the same for Gumbleton.

[Mofra]

You could ask the same for Gumbleton.
Plenty of tall talent at the Bombers with Carlisle playing both ends, Hurley forward, Daniher getting games and being seen as the future of their forwardline, Fletcher still going and Hooker getting games.

I wouldn't be surprised if the end up with a GWS draft pick after trading one of their tall defenders out. Might be their only pick inside the first 3 rounds ;)

[LostDoggy]

Wouldn't that be fantastic. Currently no Adelaide, maybe no Essendon, btoh are forced to overpay if they want to be involved in draft picks - Adelaide moreso as this'll be their second year.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

How old is Jetta?

Interested at the right price.

I'd love to target Bellchambers with a lucrative offer - I seriously rate him.

[bornadog]

How old is Jetta?

Just turned 25 and has played 86 games.

[bulldogtragic]

Just turned 25 and has played 86 games.
Right profile at least.

[Remi Moses]

Aaron Black or Robbie Tarrant would be nice.
Black's out of contract at years end

[anfo27]

Aaron Black or Robbie Tarrant would be nice.
Black's out of contract at years end

No way Black will be going anywhere. The kid can seriously play so North would have to be silly to lose him.

[GetDimmaBack]

IIRC, we were interested in drafting Jetta. Can't remember who we took that year with our first pick, but I wouldn't mind him now. We really need some hard running.

[anfo27]

IIRC, we were interested in drafting Jetta. Can't remember who we took that year with our first pick, but I wouldn't mind him now. We really need some hard running.

Not sure if we were interested in drafting Jetta as we had our chances to draft him & didn't. Most of the phantom drafts had us taking him though.

Not sure about Jetta personally as my Essendon mate tells me he just doesn't work hard enough defensively to stay in the team.

[bulldogtragic]

If we're looking at Crameri, Gumby, Jetta or others, we'd be better bloody sure WADA won't penalise us by suspending them. Imagine Port losing Monfries for two years. I'm not sticking the boots into them, but it is a case of buyer beware.

[The Doctor]

If we're looking at Crameri, Gumby, Jetta or others, we'd be better bloody sure WADA won't penalise us by suspending them. Imagine Port losing Monfries for two years. I'm not sticking the boots into them, but it is a case of buyer beware.

we are constantly linked with Essendon rejects or those coming out of contract.

[GVGjr]

I don't see the fascination with Leroy Jetta given we have a couple of players with similar attributes.

[chef]

I don't see the fascination with Leroy Jetta given we have a couple of players with similar attributes.

Agree, especially when he's still under contract to Essendon(plus he's really not that good). They are going to want our second round pick IMO and he aint worth that.

[mighty_west]

Agree, especially when he's still under contract to Essendon(plus he's really not that good). They are going to want our second round pick IMO and he aint worth that.

I also don't see much in him, supporters used to cane and use Eagleton as a whipping boy, Jetta is nowhere near Eagleton as a player imo.

[Redemption97]

For the right price I wouldn't have a problem with Jetta. We need pace and X factor and he brings that. Other than Dal who else do we have in our foward line that bring that? To rebuild this side we are going to have to look at other sides rejects... Especially those who might flourish with a second chance

[LostDoggy]

Don't know if we have to look at other sides rejects R97. We should look moreso to those that are young, the right age bracket to build (20-24) and that aren't getting opportunities.

[bornadog]

I don't see the fascination with Leroy Jetta given we have a couple of players with similar attributes.

Which players do we have with his attributes?

[GVGjr]

Which players do we have with his attributes?

Dahlhaus, Hrovat and Johannisen.

[Redemption97]

Don't know if we have to look at other sides rejects R97. We should look moreso to those that are young, the right age bracket to build (20-24) and that aren't getting opportunities.

Agree, I was using someones poor label of 'rejects' from earlier on. To use Maccas words 'good people' who aren't getting opportunities that fit our needs which you've nailed (20-24). My point is we can't look to the draft for all our needs and like we did with some degree of success this year we need to add some experience to play with our young guys.

But like anything it all comes down to the price you pay.

[Remi Moses]

For the right price I wouldn't have a problem with Jetta. We need pace and X factor and he brings that. Other than Dal who else do we have in our foward line that bring that? To rebuild this side we are going to have to look at other sides rejects... Especially those who might flourish with a second chance

Jetta's got no defensive side, so hence why he's not getting a gig.
Matthew Knights special.
It's okay to have "Pace" but you need other attributes as well.

[Mantis]

Probably been mentioned, well at least he has in the past, but we should inquire about Jesse White?

Sydney have a fair bit of depth in the tall forward/ ruck department and he is behind most of these guys... I think he would be handy in the 2nd ruck/ key forward role and wouldn't cost a lot.

[bulldogtragic]

Probably been mentioned, well at least he has in the past, but we should inquire about Jesse White?

Sydney have a fair bit of depth in the tall forward/ ruck department and he is behind most of these guys... I think he would be handy in the 2nd ruck/ key forward role and wouldn't cost a lot.
He was one of the first guys I nominated in this thread. I'm getting a little concerned his form is such that Sydney could get better than our third rounder (maybe at least ??), and I'm not sure we have a fringe player we could add to the mix so they could recycle him into a league superstar. He requested a trade last year, so I'd hope avenues of dialogue would be open.

[GVGjr]

Probably been mentioned, well at least he has in the past, but we should inquire about Jesse White?

Sydney have a fair bit of depth in the tall forward/ ruck department and he is behind most of these guys... I think he would be handy in the 2nd ruck/ key forward role and wouldn't cost a lot.


While I would be reluctant to trade for him I can see why he might be a good fit for us given his height and versatility. I don't think he is an intelligent footballer either but he would cover a couple of spots for us.

Does anyone know if he is coming out of contract?

[bulldogtragic]

While I would be reluctant to trade for him I can see why he might be a good fit for us given his height and versatility. I don't think he is an intelligent footballer either but he would cover a couple of spots for us.

Does anyone know if he is coming out of contract?
Out of contract at the end of the year.

[GVGjr]

Out of contract at the end of the year.

I now wonder if he would chance his luck going into the PSD.

[bulldogtragic]

I now wonder if he would chance his luck going into the PSD.
At this point the Saints would take him would be my guess. But if we finish below, perhaps....

[LostDoggy]

Probably been mentioned, well at least he has in the past, but we should inquire about Jesse White?

Sydney have a fair bit of depth in the tall forward/ ruck department and he is behind most of these guys... I think he would be handy in the 2nd ruck/ key forward role and wouldn't cost a lot.

Jesse qualifies for life membership after this season to the WB potential trade targets honour board :)

[GVGjr]

McKernan has some appeal to me.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

McKernan has some appeal to me.

I don't mind him the few times I have seen him either, but why can't he crack games in a squad with KPF stocks as bad as ours?

[bulldogtragic]

McKernan has some appeal to me.
At what cost?

[azabob]

I don't mind him the few times I have seen him either, but why can't he crack games in a squad with KPF stocks as bad as ours?

Good question. They appear to favour Jenkins over him and with Lynch in support. When he did get on opportunity, he elbows someone in the head!

[GVGjr]

At what cost?

Maybe a 2nd round pick. Depends on what else we might be doing.

[bulldogtragic]

Maybe a 2nd round pick. Depends on what else we might be doing.
Our pick 21.
Cooney compo
3rd round trade up

???

[LostDoggy]

I don't mind him the few times I have seen him either, but why can't he crack games in a squad with KPF stocks as bad as ours?

Can't agree with that, even with Walker injured, Lynch and Jenkins are probably better than Jones and Grant, certainly better than Jones and a ruckman

[1eyedog]

For the right price I wouldn't have a problem with Jetta. We need pace and X factor and he brings that. Other than Dal who else do we have in our foward line that bring that? To rebuild this side we are going to have to look at other sides rejects... Especially those who might flourish with a second chance

Grant? Potentially Hrovat?

[GVGjr]

Our pick 21.
Cooney compo
3rd round trade up

???

It's hard to be definite given Adelaide don't have picks in the first two rounds. I'd want to keep pick 21 and who knows if we would get a compo pick for Cooney. There may be no Vic clubs that interested in him.

[boydogs]

From what I've heard about Jesse White, we'd be better keeping Markovic.

[bulldogtragic]

From what I've heard about Jesse White, we'd be better keeping Markovic.
Do share GG.

[boydogs]

Do share GG.

Just very similar rhetoric to what you read on here when Markovic & Austin were playing. I think he got injured at once stage and their supporters were wishing him good riddance.

[1eyedog]

From what I've heard about Jesse White, we'd be better keeping Markovic.

This. Their on field value is not dissimilar.

[Topdog]

I dont think White is great but he is a lot better than Markovic.

[bulldogtragic]

This. Their on field value is not dissimilar.
I don't think Markovic would get on their list, let alone the 22. White is though.

[mighty_west]

Just very similar rhetoric to what you read on here when Markovic & Austin were playing. I think he got injured at once stage and their supporters were wishing him good riddance.

During the Swannies v West Coast game, it may have been Healy commenting on White and his issues with work rate and attitude, he definatly has talent, worked nicely alongside Tippett in the QLD under 18's and in fact may have been ranked slightly higher than Kurt.

[The Pie Man]

During the Swannies v West Coast game, it may have been Healy commenting on White and his issues with work rate and attitude, he definatly has talent, worked nicely alongside Tippett in the QLD under 18's and in fact may have been ranked slightly higher than Kurt.

White had 14 disposals, 5 marks and a goal against West Coast on Sunday - played reasonably well.

[JohnGentStand]

I have a sandwhich crust that I wouldnt trade for Leroy Jetta.

[1eyedog]

I don't think Markovic would get on their list, let alone the 22. White is though.

Yep White is marginally better player but he's still ordinary. His output is slightly higher than Marko, but not by much IMO.

[1eyedog]

White had 14 disposals, 5 marks and a goal against West Coast on Sunday - played reasonably well.

Gee you have low expectations of players.

Marko had 12 disposals, 7 marks and 3 goals against North Melbourne playing for a team far worse than Sydney.

Can someone please tell me one game in which Jesse White has exceeded Marko's output against North Melbourne. White has been playing for how long, 5 years in a super team to boot and he is the perennial almost there player. He's not as bad as Marko but he's not much chop either.

Just what we need, another McDougall, Bartlett, Bandy...

[LostDoggy]

Gee you have low expectations of players.

Marko had 12 disposals, 7 marks and 3 goals against North Melbourne playing for a team far worse than Sydney.

Can someone please tell me one game in which Jesse White has exceeded Marko's output against North Melbourne. White has been playing for how long, 5 years in a super team to boot and he is the perennial almost there player. He's not as bad as Marko but he's not much chop either.

Just what we need, another McDougall, Bartlett, Bandy...

3.0 against GWS, 3.1 against Adelaide in 2013, one in 2011 and a few in 2010.

Markovic was nailing them from five meters out that day. Right place, right time.

In no way am i saying White is a class above. Just that stats don't show the 1%'ers.

[mighty_west]

I have a sandwhich crust that I wouldnt trade for Leroy Jetta.

I don't understand the fascination with Leroy either, I know quite a few Bombers supporters would do backflips if they even got a 3rd round pick for him, he really is a poor mans Eagleton who goes missing more often than not..and at least Eagleton had a booming left boot on him and was able to kick goals from 50, yet he was a whipping boy for MANY Doggies supporters.

[G-Mo77]

i have a sandwhich crust that i wouldnt trade for leroy jetta.

lmao. :d

[Throughandthrough]

I'd take White at the dogs for sure. A big, burly tattooed forward from the Swans? Hell yeah. Worked well last time.

[The Underdog]

Gee you have low expectations of players.

Marko had 12 disposals, 7 marks and 3 goals against North Melbourne playing for a team far worse than Sydney.

Can someone please tell me one game in which Jesse White has exceeded Marko's output against North Melbourne. White has been playing for how long, 5 years in a super team to boot and he is the perennial almost there player. He's not as bad as Marko but he's not much chop either.

Just what we need, another McDougall, Bartlett, Bandy...

Neglecting to mention that Marko had been moved forward in the 1st quarter because he couldn't handle Majak Daw

[1eyedog]

Neglecting to mention that Marko had been moved forward in the 1st quarter because he couldn't handle Majak Daw

I'm not saying Marko is any good, your missing the point. I'm saying White isn't any good either.

I'd rather Gumbleton.

[1eyedog]

I'd take White at the dogs for sure. A big, burly tattooed forward from the Swans? Hell yeah. Worked well last time.

Yep the only difference is genuine football ability.

[Mantis]

I'm not saying Marko is any good, your missing the point. I'm saying White isn't any good either.

I'd rather Gumbleton.

Can Gumby play the 2nd ruck role?

[1eyedog]

Better than Jones, Marko, Cordy et al. can IMO

I'm honestly not sure Mantis but he's big enough at 197cm and seems to be fairly mobile. 17 hit outs in 33 games does not imbue one with much confidence; however Essendon have played two ruckmen for a long time.

I reckon he can ruck some game time, how much and how effective will he be is questionable.

I wouldn't expect much from either White or Gumby in the ruck, although I think Gumby has the potential to be a better forward.

What do you think?

[The Pie Man]

Gee you have low expectations of players.

Marko had 12 disposals, 7 marks and 3 goals against North Melbourne playing for a team far worse than Sydney.

Can someone please tell me one game in which Jesse White has exceeded Marko's output against North Melbourne. White has been playing for how long, 5 years in a super team to boot and he is the perennial almost there player. He's not as bad as Marko but he's not much chop either.

Just what we need, another McDougall, Bartlett, Bandy...

I thought Markovic played a good game against North - after being shifted forward in the 1st quarter. Was worth trying as the forward/2nd ruck role after this surprise output, but it didn't work out.

Not saying White is an answer to our needs - he could be though. From the little I saw on Sunday, he played with what coaches would call 'a sense of urgency' that perhaps had been missing previously. Seems mobile and quick enough for his size, so while Sunday's statistical output is inferior to Markovic's in the game against North, he'd certainly have more upside if he can mantain that effort.

But has he set the world on fire? No

[chef]

I'm not saying Marko is any good, your missing the point. I'm saying White isn't any good either.

I'd rather Gumbleton.

Me too.

[Mantis]

Better than Jones, Marko, Cordy et al. can IMO

I'm honestly not sure Mantis but he's big enough at 197cm and seems to be fairly mobile. 17 hit outs in 33 games does not imbue one with much confidence; however Essendon have played two ruckmen for a long time.

I reckon he can ruck some game time, how much and how effective will he be is questionable.

I wouldn't expect much from either White or Gumby in the ruck, although I think Gumby has the potential to be a better forward.

What do you think?

He is certainly an option.. It's been done to death, but we all know that at the minute we don't have someone who can successfully play the 2nd ruck forward role, as the modern game requires.

My concern with Gumby is how his body will stand up if he is required to spend time in the ruck, which I think he has to... No use getting him if his only purpose is to keep Tommy company in the re-hab group.

I certainly don't believe White is a world-beater either, but in this role I think he can be useful and will help take some physical pressure off our young forwards ( Jones, Grant, Stringer) and can give Will a much needed hand.

If Gumby is able to play this role, and we think his body will stand up then let's go for it.

[Mofra]

He is certainly an option.. It's been done to death, but we all know that at the minute we don't have someone who can successfully play the 2nd ruck forward role, as the modern game requires.
Perhaps we do - we just need him to hold down FB this year

[Mantis]

Perhaps we do - we just need him to hold down FB this year

I see him as a ruck/back not a ruck/forward.... He struggles up front.

[Mofra]

I see him as a ruck/back not a ruck/forward.... He struggles up front.
He seemed comfortable at times last year, although I don't think his set shots were up to scratch. He's progressed very well and even Macca last week said he's not sure of where his long term position is (mention both a FB or a ruck CHF).

In time it may be moot, given how frequently KPPs seem to be played at both ends of the ground.

[Dry Rot]

If Franklin stays, then IMO GWS should go after Gumby with their 2nd round pick. I assume they'll snare WCE's Brown via the PSD.

GWS must significantly improve next year in the Sydney market. Even if they get Boyd, neither he nor Patton will be much chop next year and Gumby would be a good foil for Cameron if he stays on the park.

[Remi Moses]

They'd look like Gumby's if they did that.
The fascination with Gumby intrigues me.
He failed a medical last season yet his name gets thrown up continually.

[1eyedog]

They'd look like Gumby's if they did that.
The fascination with Gumby intrigues me.
He failed a medical last season yet his name gets thrown up continually.

A product of the distinct paucity of forwards who have showed SOMETHING in the past!

[LostDoggy]

Id be in favor of trading (who knows what) for an untried player in Tom Boyd than think twice about having Gumbleton or White. Hate hearing their names come up with ours.

White was thrown up years ago wasn't he? IMO he hasn't improved and he sure isn't getting any younger. Gumbleton? we should rule out picking up injury prone forwards full stop.

[Mofra]

If Franklin stays, then IMO GWS should go after Gumby with their 2nd round pick. I assume they'll snare WCE's Brown via the PSD.
Brown looks gone from WCE given his recent interview, he did agree to go to the Saints last year so he may be set on a Victorian club.

[Ghost Dog]

I wonder if the scandal involving Essendon is causing us to back off from blokes like Jetta, while we wait to see how things end up?

He's been getting plenty of 30+ games in the VFL. Should we give Essendon their wish and trade for Dickson?

[Ghost Dog]

I'd take White at the dogs for sure. A big, burly tattooed forward from the Swans? Hell yeah. Worked well last time.

Much loved up there. Can't see him leaving.

[G-Mo77]

They'd look like Gumby's if they did that.
The fascination with Gumby intrigues me.
He failed a medical last season yet his name gets thrown up continually.

I didn't realise he failed a medical.

[Sedat]

I'd personally avoid any Bombers players as potential trade targets like the plague. Not much point trading for a player who is forced to sit out for anywhere between 6 months and 2 years (or 4 years and possible jail time if they have been proven to have lied to ASADA investigators)

[1eyedog]

Brown looks gone from WCE given his recent interview, he did agree to go to the Saints last year so he may be set on a Victorian club.

Would love him to be honest Mofra what's your opinion? Highly versatile in the front or back half and is big and strong enough to play second ruck.

Does anyone have a scenario around how we might get him or does he fall / default to the Aints?

[1eyedog]

I'd personally avoid any Bombers players as potential trade targets like the plague. Not much point trading for a player who is forced to sit out for anywhere between 6 months and 2 years (or 4 years and possible jail time if they have been proven to have lied to ASADA investigators)

Will we potentially know the punishment prior to the trade period?

[Remi Moses]

Would love him to be honest Mofra what's your opinion? Highly versatile in the front or back half and is big and strong enough to play second ruck.

Does anyone have a scenario around how we might get him or does he fall / default to the Aints?

Just hearing Brown recently he seems happier there.
The issue was game time, in which he is now getting.

[Mofra]

Would love him to be honest Mofra what's your opinion? Highly versatile in the front or back half and is big and strong enough to play second ruck.

Does anyone have a scenario around how we might get him or does he fall / default to the Aints?
Saints chased him hard and he agreed to a trade last year, WCE said no as he still had a year to run on his contract. I assume GWS would offer higher $$$.

No harm in asking the question - club may consider Brown as a FB, Young/Talia at CHB so Roughy can move forward (and offer ruck releif) while we develop a second genuine tall (Stringer/Grant combo as high forwards/alternate marking options to compliment Jones & Roughead).

[Mofra]

Will we potentially know the punishment prior to the trade period?
Should be known.

Last week in August is slated for the investigation report - you'd assume the AFL will have to move quick to avoid Essendon playing finals if they are going to strip them of points (and possibly draft picks).

[Remi Moses]

A product of the distinct paucity of forwards who have showed SOMETHING in the past!

He's not getting a game and failed a medical at two clubs( Carlton)
To quote bulldogtragic why are settling on a player not good enough to fit into another teams 22?

[1eyedog]

He's not getting a game and failed a medical at two clubs( Carlton)
To quote bulldogtragic why are settling on a player not good enough to fit into another teams 22?

Because we only have one key forward and Essendon have half a dozen of them?

[bulldogtragic]

Because we only have one key forward and Essendon have half a dozen of them?
That doesn't mean he is any good to be fair.

- His record isn't anything flash.
- He failed medicals with us and Carlton last year
- He started the year at Essendon about player 24 or 25. He's gone backwards further this year, maybe 27
- How many players ranked 27 at one club, became best 18 or better at another?
- Lloyd reckons Gumby has the trade value of Yarran, and will have 10 clubs looking for a trade.... I hate Essendon idiots

- Not sure how we get him for absolutely nothing, because that's all he's worth. Plus, ASADA may ban him.


Jesse White offers more IMO

[Sedat]

Maybe the Balco Bombers think that because Gumby played a blinder against us in the past that we'd be clamouring for his services. If that was the sole criteria, we'd have traded in the past for Marty McGrath, Ed Sainsbury, Luke Vogels, Justin Wood, Nigel Fiegert, Jay Van Berlo, Daniel Bandy....oh wait :o

[Mofra]

- How many players ranked 27 at one club, became best 18 or better at another?
Nick Lower, Koby Stevens, Tom Young ;)

[1eyedog]

That doesn't mean he is any good to be fair.

- His record isn't anything flash.
- He failed medicals with us and Carlton last year
- He started the year at Essendon about player 24 or 25. He's gone backwards further this year, maybe 27
- How many players ranked 27 at one club, became best 18 or better at another?
- Lloyd reckons Gumby has the trade value of Yarran, and will have 10 clubs looking for a trade.... I hate Essendon idiots

- Not sure how we get him for absolutely nothing, because that's all he's worth. Plus, ASADA may ban him.


Jesse White offers more IMO

I hear you perfectly well re. Gumbleton. I look at it this way. The only chance we have of getting a gun forward this year is if we get Boyd (unlikely), so we need to look at plan B. Plan B means we are not going to get anyone that is any good. What if you don't get your preferred option and we miss out on White, is Gumbleton better than no one for you - against what we might have to give up for him?

It's not about the number of the pecking order at Essendon, all that is known is that he is behind their other key forwards in Crameri, Hurley and now Daniher and rightfully so, if Sydney had these three players in their forward line White wouldn't get a game there IMO. Gumbleton has stayed on the park at Bendigo for the majority of this season and has rucked, kicked a bag of 5 against Werribee and is taking contested marks.

Gumbleton has always looked a better footballer than White to me but I can understand why posters are attracted to White.

[bulldogtragic]

I hear you perfectly well re. Gumbleton. I look at it this way. The only chance we have of getting a gun forward this year is if we get Boyd (unlikely), so we need to look at plan B. Plan B means we are not going to get anyone that is any good. What if you don't get your preferred option and we miss out on White, is Gumbleton better than no one for you - against what we might have to give up for him?

It's not about the number of the pecking order at Essendon, all that is known is that he is behind their other key forwards in Crameri, Hurley and now Daniher and rightfully so, if Sydney had these three players in their forward line White wouldn't get a game there IMO. Gumbleton has stayed on the park at Bendigo for the majority of this season and has rucked, kicked a bag of 5 against Werribee and is taking contested marks.

Gumbleton has always looked a better footballer than White to me but I can understand why posters are attracted to White.
I agree we need a plan B, as Boyd is near no chance to get to us. (Plan A - very, very expensive)

I'd be content with White as he offers Minno rucking relief. White is more flexible and less injury prone. (Plan B - potential pick 39 going for White and pick 51)

Gumby adds to Wood, Higgins & Williams as injury prone 'potentials'. Gumby showed last year he is loyal to them, so I can't see him walking out. Therefore they will want a trade, we have no players they want, so pick 39 is in the trade. Gumby & 53 for 39 would be 'high' for mine. I'm not sure Essendon would do this deal anyway. Plus he carries ASADA risks. (Plan C)

[Mantis]

Nick Lower, Koby Stevens, Tom Young ;)

Are any of these guys definitely in the best 22... of a bottom 4 team?

[1eyedog]

Are any of these guys definitely in the best 22... of a bottom 4 team?

About as much as Ed Barlow is IMHO.

[bulldogtragic]

Are any of these guys definitely in the best 22... of a bottom 4 team?
I thought he was joking... Surely....

[anfo27]

I agree we need a plan B, as Boyd is near no chance to get to us. (Plan A - very, very expensive)

I'd be content with White as he offers Minno rucking relief. White is more flexible and less injury prone. (Plan B - potential pick 39 going for White and pick 51)

Gumby adds to Wood, Higgins & Williams as injury prone 'potentials'. Gumby showed last year he is loyal to them, so I can't see him walking out. Therefore they will want a trade, we have no players they want, so pick 39 is in the trade. Gumby & 53 for 39 would be 'high' for mine. I'm not sure Essendon would do this deal anyway. Plus he carries ASADA risks. (Plan C)

Gumby is out of contract at the end of the year so Essendons power is limited. I think you can throw loyalty out the window this time round. Loyalty isn't doing Gumby much good in the reserves at the minute & if wants a career he will do whats best for him & not whats best for Essendon.

There might be 10 clubs after him, but in the end he will pick one club. If that club happens to be us then we could get him for next to nothing. If we get him for nothing then I'd be happy to grab him but i wouldn't want to give up anything decent.

And please no White. Will not be pleased if we go chasing this spud. Don't even want this guy if we get him for nothing.

[Maddog37]

Could we get Gumby in the PSD?

[Throughandthrough]

Lets face it. gumby is no Simon Minton connell

[Ghost Dog]

Over at Bomber Blitz, they would be happy to get Leroy Jetta for anything, and as for Gumby, I think he's rated about as highly as Tommy Williams. Cross your fingers.

[Remi Moses]

Because we only have one key forward and Essendon have half a dozen of them?

So why wouldn't we ( with heaps of salary cap room) try and extract a decent player at another club?

[GVGjr]

Could we get Gumby in the PSD?

I think so

[LostDoggy]

Gumby is so poor at ground level, even if he stays fit I'm not sure he can be a player.
How is he gonna cope with our average delivery?

[chef]

Could we get Gumby in the PSD?

Most definitely and that's the angle I would wants us to be taking. We need to hold onto our draft picks and keep taking kids.

[1eyedog]

So why wouldn't we ( with heaps of salary cap room) try and extract a decent player at another club?

I'm up for the options Remi, who do you suggest? J. Riewoldt? M. Brown? McKernan? Or a non- KP player?

[1eyedog]

Gumby is so poor at ground level, even if he stays fit I'm not sure he can be a player.
How is he gonna cope with our average delivery?

Finding a tall forward who can potentially ruck, take contested marks, is good on his toes and kick goals is rarer than rare. Every forward will have their deficiencies and their strengths. Gumby's strengths are his positioning, his ability to run hard and his contested marking.

[Sedat]

I'm up for the options Remi, who do you suggest? J. Riewoldt? M. Brown? McKernan? Or a non- KP player?
If there's a more over-rated player in the entire competition that this bloke, I've yet to find him. I find it amazing that he's about to get an $800k a season contract, basically for kicking a few 'joe the gooses' in the goal square against the competition minnows and consistently not getting a kick against any half-decent teams. Richmond should call his bluff.

[Twodogs]

If there's a more over-rated player in the entire competition that this bloke, I've yet to find him. I find it amazing that he's about to get an $800k a season contract, basically for kicking a few 'joe the gooses' in the goal square against the competition minnows and consistently not getting a kick against any half-decent teams. Richmond should call his bluff.


Could you imagine the uproar from feral Richmond supporters if they did and he walked?


Oh please do it Tiges.

[1eyedog]

If there's a more over-rated player in the entire competition that this bloke, I've yet to find him. I find it amazing that he's about to get an $800k a season contract, basically for kicking a few 'joe the gooses' in the goal square against the competition minnows and consistently not getting a kick against any half-decent teams. Richmond should call his bluff.

He's overpaid no question but he's still going to be a 70 goal player this year. Third for contested marks in the league behind Cloke and Kennedy.

Not a bad option for your forward line, but agreed not worth $800k.

[LostDoggy]

He's overpaid no question but he's still going to be a 70 goal player this year. Third for contested marks in the league behind Cloke and Kennedy.

Not a bad option for your forward line, but agreed not worth $800k.

I'd still take him in a heartbeat even at 800k. Our team is crying out for a senior tall forward presence more than any other team in the league. If ever we were to overpay for a player it would be to fill this very clear deficiency. If we had a glut of very promising forwards not getting a game then that is another story, but we don't...

[Cyberdoggie]

Not sure he's the player for us. If he gets beaten he's useless anywhere else, and he directs to much focus from upfield.

Last week against a good defensive unit he was the only player on the ground who hadn't taken a mark up until the third quarter I believe.

I know i'm being critical but if you are going to pay big bucks I don't think he's worth it.
We'll see come finals time, when they lose he'll have no impact whatsoever.

[mjp]

He's overpaid no question but he's still going to be a 70 goal player this year. Third for contested marks in the league behind Cloke and Kennedy.

Not a bad option for your forward line, but agreed not worth $800k.

Keep in mind, number 1 ruckman are going for $700K...a young, 70goal per year full forward is worth every cent of $800k.

Yes, the midfield is the key but we really need to close the i50 ==> scoring shot ratio and a player like Jack would help (a LOT).

[Greystache]

Keep in mind, number 1 ruckman are going for $700K...a young, 70goal per year full forward is worth every cent of $800k.

Yes, the midfield is the key but we really need to close the i50 ==> scoring shot ratio and a player like Jack would help (a LOT).

Totally agree, a player who can lead well will still be a success in our team even with our questionable disposal. Gia doesn't have any attributes these days other than being able to lead smartly and convert well. Riewoldt can lead smartly, convert well, and also take contested marks.

He would still kick bags in our team.

[LostDoggy]

He's overpaid no question but he's still going to be a 70 goal player this year. Third for contested marks in the league behind Cloke and Kennedy.

Not a bad option for your forward line, but agreed not worth $800k.

Contested marks:
Travis Cloke: 35
Lachie Henderson: 33
Liam Jones: 33
Drew Petrie: 32
Mike Pyke: 32
etc. etc.
Josh Kennedy: 27
Jack Riewoldt: 26

Riewoldt and Kennedy are a fair bit off the pace.

[Remi Moses]

I'm up for the options Remi, who do you suggest? J. Riewoldt? M. Brown? McKernan? Or a non- KP player?

Maybe Corey Mckernan ( circa 1996) No to Shaun
Mitch Brown's recommitted to The Eagles( just a player For mine)
Yes to Crameri ( good forward and would take some heat of Jones)
Yes to Riewoldt ( just to see the Tiger reaction would be worth it)
I like Crameri as he plays that hit up hard working forward type.
Dustin Martin for a line breaking perspective .
Personally think we'll make more of a splash in F/A when we ( hopefully become half decent)

[Sedat]

Totally agree, a player who can lead well will still be a success in our team even with our questionable disposal. Gia doesn't have any attributes these days other than being able to lead smartly and convert well. Riewoldt can lead smartly, convert well, and also take contested marks.

He would still kick bags in our team.
And when he doesn't clunk the mark (which he doesn't when pitted against any key defender worth their salt) he is a complete liability and lets his direct opponent wander off with the ball out of defensive 50 time and time again. We have a major problem with opposition rebound 50's as it is and he will only add to that problem. Then there are his frequent displays of petulance to his teammates further up the field if the ball doesn't hit him on the chest. He is basically Fevola with a less boozy social calendar.

He will be paid around the mark to what Cloke is getting paid, which is frankly laughable.

[Ghost Dog]

And when he doesn't clunk the mark (which he doesn't when pitted against any key defender worth their salt) he is a complete liability and lets his direct opponent wander off with the ball out of defensive 50 time and time again. We have a major problem with opposition rebound 50's as it is and he will only add to that problem. Then there are his frequent displays of petulance to his teammates further up the field if the ball doesn't hit him on the chest. He is basically Fevola with a less boozy social calendar.

He will be paid around the mark to what Cloke is getting paid, which is frankly laughable.

Riewoldt has only just started now to do the team thing. Tigers have had him in all season, but resorted to publicly asking more from him in the media ( May ) in an effort to get some consistent form. Still haven't seen the best of him.

[Mofra]

And when he doesn't clunk the mark (which he doesn't when pitted against any key defender worth their salt) he is a complete liability and lets his direct opponent wander off with the ball out of defensive 50 time and time again. We have a major problem with opposition rebound 50's as it is and he will only add to that problem. Then there are his frequent displays of petulance to his teammates further up the field if the ball doesn't hit him on the chest. He is basically Fevola with a less boozy social calendar.

He will be paid around the mark to what Cloke is getting paid, which is frankly laughable.
Are you talking about Jack Riewoldt?
The KPF who currently has the most number of tackles inside the F50 in the competition? His defensive efforts for a KPF are exemplary.

He is one of the top 6 or 7 forwards in the competition and bleeds for his teammates. He wouldn't just be our best forward, he'd be one of our top 3 players.

[chef]

Are you talking about Jack Riewoldt?
The KPF who currently has the most number of tackles inside the F50 in the competition? His defensive efforts for a KPF are exemplary.

He is one of the top 6 or 7 forwards in the competition and bleeds for his teammates. He wouldn't just be our best forward, he'd be one of our top 3 players.

Yep, I don't get the negativity about Jack as he's easily one of the best, hardest working and smartest forwards in the league IMO. I hope we throw the kitchen sink at him.

[Ghost Dog]

Yep, I don't get the negativity about Jack as he's easily one of the best, hardest working and smartest forwards in the league IMO. I hope we throw the kitchen sink at him.

In recent months. It's not like he's been showing the sorts of form you are talking about for his entire career. He's also in a team that has its tail up. How would he go in a struggling outfit? Not too well I imagine.

I do however believe he is growing and has enormous room for growth in his game. Which is scary. Brendan is exactly the sort of coach for a player like him.

[Greystache]

And when he doesn't clunk the mark (which he doesn't when pitted against any key defender worth their salt) he is a complete liability and lets his direct opponent wander off with the ball out of defensive 50 time and time again. We have a major problem with opposition rebound 50's as it is and he will only add to that problem. Then there are his frequent displays of petulance to his teammates further up the field if the ball doesn't hit him on the chest. He is basically Fevola with a less boozy social calendar.

He will be paid around the mark to what Cloke is getting paid, which is frankly laughable.

Really?

This year he has kicked 20 goals in 7 games against other top 8 teams and only been held goalless once against Freo which he kicked 4 in the return game.

In 2012 he kicked he kicked 25 goals in 8 games against top 8 teams including bags of 6 & 4 against Hawthorn and Sydney.

[Ghost Dog]

Really?

This year he has kicked 20 goals in 7 games against other top 8 teams and only been held goalless once against Freo which he kicked 4 in the return game.

In 2012 he kicked he kicked 25 goals in 8 games against top 8 teams including bags of 6 & 4 against Hawthorn and Sydney.

In 2011 he displayed some of the worst body language you will ever see in professional AFL.
He got the Coleman in 2012, and is having a good year in 2013. To his credit, he's turned it around, but probably needs more than one complete season to be classed as top shelf talent.

[Mofra]

He's also in a team that has its tail up. How would he go in a struggling outfit? Not too well I imagine.
In 2010 Richmond finished second last on the ladder.
He won the Coleman medal that year as well as AA selection and the Richmond B&F.
He is certainly no downhill skiier.

I really think we are underselling him as a player, $800k pa? I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[The Underdog]

I hate Riewoldt with a passion but he'd be one our 3 best players the moment he walked in the door.

[1eyedog]

Contested marks:
Travis Cloke: 35
Lachie Henderson: 33
Liam Jones: 33
Drew Petrie: 32
Mike Pyke: 32
etc. etc.
Josh Kennedy: 27
Jack Riewoldt: 26

Riewoldt and Kennedy are a fair bit off the pace.

Apologies, ranked 3rd in the AFL for marks inside F50 is what I meant.

[chef]

In recent months. It's not like he's been showing the sorts of form you are talking about for his entire career. He's also in a team that has its tail up. How would he go in a struggling outfit? Not too well I imagine.

I do however believe he is growing and has enormous room for growth in his game. Which is scary. Brendan is exactly the sort of coach for a player like him.

I would say he's been doing it for a few of years not months and would still be effective in out forward line.

[Ghost Dog]

I would say he's been doing it for a few of years not months and would still be effective in out forward line.

The modern team needs flexibility. He's flying, no doubt about it now. And yet if you were a coach, and you had to slot him down back, could you rely on him?

Anyway, news is he will sign again for Richmond. We could sure use him. But he'll never come to us.

[G-Mo77]

Anyway, news is he will sign again for Richmond. We could sure use him. But he'll never come to us.

We drafted Everitt 2 picks before him.

Not sure on the history of that draft. I can vaguely remember a few Bulldog supporters hoping to grab him or disappointed not to get him. Was he rated highly in the 2006 draft?

[bornadog]

We drafted Everitt 2 picks before him.

Not sure on the history of that draft. I can vaguely remember a few Bulldog supporters hoping to grab him or disappointed not to get him. Was he rated highly in the 2006 draft?

and Frawley in between :eek:

[bulldogtragic]

and Frawley in between :eek:
Just looking at the 2006 draft...

Pretty good top 10 - Mitch Thorp at 6
Everitt at 11 - the outrage at the time online was that we overlooked Sellar who fell to Adelaide... Maybe we should have gone for Hampson who went 17...
Riewoldt went 13. Richmond at the time stated they would have used pick 8 (Bed Reid) to draft him. He did play decent footy in the VFL from memory

[LostDoggy]

Don't let that get out in public.

[Greystache]

That 2006 draft will continue to hurt us for some time yet. Mind you so will the 2007 and 2009 drafts too.

[bulldogtragic]

Fox sports report Jack Riewoldt has just re-signed for 3 years.

[w3design]

The modern team needs flexibility. He's flying, no doubt about it now. And yet if you were a coach, and you had to slot him down back, could you rely on him?

Anyway, news is he will sign again for Richmond. We could sure use him. But he'll never come to us.

Confirmed. Riewoldt has re-signed for 3 years.

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tigers-resign-gun-afl-forward-riewoldt-20130726-2qp34.html

I'm warming to the idea of Thorp but then I do like an apparent bargain...

[LostDoggy]

Thorp as a rookie seems like a no brainer, the question is if other clubs show interest in him, would we be willing to use anything more than a late draft pick.
Personally I don't think we should. Certainly not in the first three rounds of the draft.

[Mofra]

Just looking at the 2006 draft...

Pretty good top 10 - Mitch Thorp at 6
Everitt at 11 - the outrage at the time online was that we overlooked Sellar who fell to Adelaide... Maybe we should have gone for Hampson who went 17...
Riewoldt went 13. Richmond at the time stated they would have used pick 8 (Bed Reid) to draft him. He did play decent footy in the VFL from memory
One or two posters went mental about overlooking Sellar.
Everitt was widely regarded as an early second rounder going via BF group think. I guess once in a while they actually get it right.

[bulldogtragic]

Confirmed. Riewoldt has re-signed for 3 years.

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tigers-resign-gun-afl-forward-riewoldt-20130726-2qp34.html

I'm warming to the idea of Thorp but then I do like an apparent bargain...
So where were we before all this Riewoldt talk....

Yep. Tom Boyd. C'mon down son :)

[bulldogtragic]

Thorp as a rookie seems like a no brainer, the question is if other clubs show interest in him, would we be willing to use anything more than a late draft pick.
Personally I don't think we should. Certainly not in the first three rounds of the draft.
Aaron Edwards - Mitch Thorp
West Coast Eagles - Hawthorn
VFL - Tassie State League
100+ goals - 46 goals (13 matches)
JJ Liston Medal - could win the B&F
Pick 82 to North - dogs with pick 56 and 74

He's still speculative. Any talk of anything above 56 is excitable I would have thought.

[w3design]

So where were we before all this Riewoldt talk....

Yep. Tom Boyd. C'mon down son :)

I wish but we're not going to get him and I really don't want Gumbleton. I'm looking for us to draft mid-fielders with skill and hoping Fletcher Roberts, Grant, Jones, Hunter and Stringer all have decent pre-seasons.

[The Underdog]

Reports that Riewoldt has signed with the Tiges until 2016...
Edit-oops didn't see the earlier post, sorry 'bout that

[G-Mo77]

This should get a few people excited. :)

HAWTHORN will target one of Greater Western Sydney's most promising midfielders, Taylor Adams, to help offset the potential loss of free agent Lance Franklin.

Adams has put off contract talks until season's end and is understood to have attracted varying degrees of interest from every Victorian club.

Hawthorn, Essendon, Richmond, Western Bulldogs and Melbourne are believed to be eyeing the 20-year-old, dubbed a future AFL captain after an impressive round of draft interviews two years ago.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gws-giants-midfielder-taylor-adams-in-hawthorns-sights/story-fni5f7qp-1226687811982

[Greystache]

This should get a few people excited. :)

HAWTHORN will target one of Greater Western Sydney's most promising midfielders, Taylor Adams, to help offset the potential loss of free agent Lance Franklin.

Adams has put off contract talks until season's end and is understood to have attracted varying degrees of interest from every Victorian club.

Hawthorn, Essendon, Richmond, Western Bulldogs and Melbourne are believed to be eyeing the 20-year-old, dubbed a future AFL captain after an impressive round of draft interviews two years ago.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gws-giants-midfielder-taylor-adams-in-hawthorns-sights/story-fni5f7qp-1226687811982

I'd be very disappointed if we target that little piece of shit. It would go against the very nature of our quality person mantra. He's an average player and (further) criminal charged waiting to happen.

[Mofra]

I'd be very disappointed if we target that little piece of shit. It would go against the very nature of our quality person mantra. He's an average player and (further) criminal charged waiting to happen.
Do you mind elaborating (if you can)?
Genuinely curious

[Greystache]

Do you mind elaborating (if you can)?
Genuinely curious

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/gws-teen-charged-with-assault/story-fnca0u4y-1226339233682

King hit a kid in a bar to show what a tough guy he is. From a renowned bad family.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/06/26/334551_news.html

[wimberga]

I was just thinking, if we are targeting someone like Jarryd Lyons or Taylor Adams to bolster our midfield stocks, it makes sense for us to go for something different with our 1st round pick.

Jack Billing/Scharenburg incoming.

[DOG GOD]

I'd rather Lyons over Adams, and even more so knowing Adams has a history.

[bulldogtragic]

If Garlett is tainted goods, this thug is in another class all together.

[Mofra]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/gws-teen-charged-with-assault/story-fnca0u4y-1226339233682

King hit a kid in a bar to show what a tough guy he is. From a renowned bad family.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/06/26/334551_news.html
Interesting, especially in light of the "future captian" material and impressive interviewee results.

[Sedat]

Even taking away the 'shit bloke' element, there are 6 clubs interested in Adam, so whoever gets him will have to pay significant overs.

[LostDoggy]

Interesting, especially in light of the "future captian" material and impressive interviewee results.

Makes you wonder about the psychological testing then doesn't it. With the way he carried on in the GWS game a few weeks go against us his initiation should be baseball bat.

[Mofra]

Makes you wonder about the psychological testing then doesn't it. With the way he carried on in the GWS game a few weeks go against us his initiation should be baseball bat.
Even the term itself can be widely interpreted, leaving plenty of wiggle room.

[LostDoggy]

Makes you wonder about the psychological testing then doesn't it. With the way he carried on in the GWS game a few weeks go against us his initiation should be baseball bat.

Anyone can put a good impression forward in a psych test. Psychologists intellect and perception, in my experience, is inversely proportionate to how smart and perceptive they think they are. Not hard to get past them.

[F'scary]

Anyone can put a good impression forward in a psych test. Psychologists intellect and perception, in my experience, is inversely proportionate to how smart and perceptive they think they are. Not hard to get past them.

That's what Bayley did!

[LostDoggy]

Anyone can put a good impression forward in a psych test. Psychologists intellect and perception, in my experience, is inversely proportionate to how smart and perceptive they think they are. Not hard to get past them.

I always thought it was a blob of black paint. Turns out it's a woman wearing a hat looking back over her shoulder.

[FrediKanoute]

We drafted Everitt 2 picks before him.

Not sure on the history of that draft. I can vaguely remember a few Bulldog supporters hoping to grab him or disappointed not to get him. Was he rated highly in the 2006 draft?

Disappointing use of pick 11. Everitt ranged from top 10 pick to pick 40 in various phantom drafts. There were question marks about Reidvolt (sp), but he has laid them to rest. We picked the wrong tall.

[1eyedog]

Anyone can put a good impression forward in a psych test. Psychologists intellect and perception, in my experience, is inversely proportionate to how smart and perceptive they think they are. Not hard to get past them.

Don't they use a model, so they just collect unbiased data during the test?


Disappointing use of pick 11. Everitt ranged from top 10 pick to pick 40 in various phantom drafts. There were question marks about Reidvolt (sp), but he has laid them to rest. We picked the wrong tall.

Yes, we almost always do.

[immortalmike]

Anyone can put a good impression forward in a psych test. Psychologists intellect and perception, in my experience, is inversely proportionate to how smart and perceptive they think they are. Not hard to get past them.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion considering most psychological testing contains lie scales that are pretty damn empirically sound. Especially in the most personality tests. You do realise most of it is based in science and comprises actual diagnostics rather than lying down on a couch talking to a man in a coat. Human factors are rigorously minimized.

I suggest it's attitudes like yours that may have contributed to clubs not putting much stock in psychological testing.


Also in my experience in this sentence

"Psychologists intellect and perception, in my experience, is inversely proportionate to how smart and perceptive they think they are."

You can replace the word "Psychologists" with "people in general".

[bulldogtragic]

Looking at contracts on hold:

Eddie Betts is demanding $600,000 a year..... (Insert witty comment here :) )

[chef]

Looking at contracts on hold:

Eddie Betts is demanding $600,000 a year..... (Insert witty comment here :) )

Lol.

[azabob]

Looking at contracts on hold:

Eddie Betts is demanding $600,000 a year..... (Insert witty comment here :) )

Well his shorts are baggy enough to hold that much cash...

[Ghost Dog]

Jack Watts is out of contract......anybody?

[bulldogtragic]

Jack Watts is out of contract......anybody?
At the right price yes. But after the win over us he a did an interview saying he wants to stay.

[Ghost Dog]

At the right price yes. But after the win over us he a did an interview saying he wants to stay.

But nobody believes what football players say during the season do they?

[azabob]

At the right price yes. But after the win over us he a did an interview saying he wants to stay.


But nobody believes what football players say during the season do they?

Correct - he also said in the artilce it is now depends on who the coach is.

[Mofra]

Jack Watts is out of contract......anybody?
He tested off the charts for the personality test at draft camp so I assume we'd ask the question.
He lacks natural aggression but has every other attribute a footballer needs. I think he is still best suited to the forwardline

[1eyedog]

Jack Watts is out of contract......anybody?

No problems going after Watts, he' versatile and young - could slot into a number of positions for us.

[LostDoggy]

He tested off the charts for the personality test at draft camp so I assume we'd ask the question.
He lacks natural aggression but has every other attribute a footballer needs. I think he is still best suited to the forwardline

My feelings also. He needs a 'teacher'.

[Ghost Dog]

Kane Lucas is one who might fill that semi-experienced age bracket we lack.
Good pedigree, great juniors career. Out of contract.

[kruder]

Lucas I agree will be on the trade table but to put it simply he can't kick a football hence a no go zone for us.

[Remi Moses]

Kane Lucas is decidedly average at best.
Remember Carlton fans wanting Talia ahead of him.

[Mofra]

Kane Lucas is decidedly average at best.
Remember Carlton fans wanting Talia ahead of him.
Never thought I'd say this but...


... Carlton fans were right ;)

[wimberga]

I for one am still open to trading pick 4-5 (whichever we end up with) to GWS for Patton if GWS was willing to do it.

[bulldogtragic]

I for one am still open to trading pick 4-5 (whichever we end up with) to GWS for Patton if GWS was willing to do it.
I made mention a while ago this trade and the view was pick 4/5 for a pick 1 with time in the system was not enough, despite the injury...

FWIW, I rate Patton.

[LostDoggy]

I've love to go for Patton but we can't pay overs for a guy who just did his knee.

[F'scary]

I've love to go for Patton but we can't pay overs for a guy who just did his knee.

Ten games in two & half years before missing the rest of the season with a knee. Ten games in the bottom side where there is zero competition for a spot - particularly FF or CHF. Ten games and about 10 marks and 10 goals.

He is not worth our pick 4/5 draft pick swap.

[F'scary]

I've love to go for Patton but we can't pay overs for a guy who just did his knee.

Same with Gumbleton.

[F'scary]

Ten games in two & half years before missing the rest of the season with a knee. Ten games in the bottom side where there is zero competition for a spot - particularly FF or CHF. Ten games and about 10 marks and 10 goals.

He is not worth our pick 4/5 draft pick swap.

I stand to be corrected that's - 10 games out of a possible 40 odd (he was drafted end of 2011). Not 60 possible games.

Still, doesn't improve the analysis enough to suggest pick 4/5 is a value swap.

[1eyedog]

Ten games in two & half years before missing the rest of the season with a knee. Ten games in the bottom side where there is zero competition for a spot - particularly FF or CHF. Ten games and about 10 marks and 10 goals.

He is not worth our pick 4/5 draft pick swap.

Bloody oath he is we've taken much bigger shot in the darks than that one.

[Ghost Dog]

I'm guessing our recruiters will be giving Gold Coast a look.

"Rischitelli faces axe at Suns. MICHAEL Rischitelli may have played his last game for Gold Coast as coach Guy McKenna prepares to cull at least six players."

[Remi Moses]

He's 28 next year and I couldn't see us pursuing him.
He's been a disappointment to be honest.

[LostDoggy]

No thanks.

[SPower]

Apparently we are keen on Crameri, we don't need anyone else. I think any one else would require us to over commit and come out giving too much away.

[LostDoggy]

I have a sneaky feeling we're going to sign Xavier Ellis as a free agent. We tried last year for a trade iirc.

Outside legspeed, injury-prone.

[Remi Moses]

Apparently we are keen on Crameri, we don't need anyone else. I think any one else would require us to over commit and come out giving too much away.

Interesting seeing Crameri playing in the Bombre reserves.
Would think he'd be in their best 22.

[Dancin' Douggy]

In all honesty, it would be insane to recruit anyone from Essendon.
They might, MIGHT, have a 2 year ban hanging over their head.

[Greystache]

In all honesty, it would be insane to recruit anyone from Essendon.
They might, MIGHT, have a 2 year ban hanging over their head.

We'll probably have a good indication if that is going to be the case prior to the trade week. At the moment isI'd imagine we're just doing our reconnaissance in case he will be available.

[kruder]

Love the game of suban tonight can be an A grader that kid if he gets his body right. Looks like he is signed till 14 would luv to see him get a bout of homesickness.

Has the blend of inside and outside our coach wants and could add significantly to our spread and ball movement. Also fits the age profile but it might be hard to pry him away from the dockers who look a key forward away from a premiership.

[DOG GOD]

God I wish we took fyfe before Howard :(

Zac Clarke looks like someone who would fit nicely in that 2nd ruck role.

[Twodogs]

Interesting seeing Crameri playing in the Bombre reserves.
Would think he'd be in their best 22.


Maybe he has made a decision to leave so the Bombers are playing him in the reserves as a result?

[LostDoggy]

Gumbleton is a Westy. Freo will still be looking for a Pav replacement.