End of Season - Trade Targets

[Hot_Doggies]

God I wish we took fyfe before Howard :(

Zac Clarke looks like someone who would fit nicely in that 2nd ruck role.

History shows MJP said we should draft him, GVGjr didn't rate him!! :)

[Mofra]

Interesting seeing Crameri playing in the Bombre reserves.
Would think he'd be in their best 22.
Isn't he gaining match fitness after recovering from injury?

[chef]

Isn't he gaining match fitness after recovering from injury?

Yeah he is. Also quoted in todays paper saying he wants to stay at the Dons.

[ledge]

I want Jesse WHite after today

[azabob]

I want Jesse WHite after today

Why? Nothing spectacular today. Talia had his measure most of the game.

[bulldogtragic]

I want Jesse WHite after today
Ross Lyon has declared Freo want him.

Going to be a bidding war I suspect.

[chef]

Why? Nothing spectacular today. Talia had his measure most of the game.

Yep, had the commentators drooling some reason. Do not want.

[chef]

Ross Lyon has declared Freo want him.

Going to be a bidding war I suspect.

Best to steer clear of that.

[bulldogtragic]

Best to steer clear of that.
Agree 100%.

I don't mind parting with Capitol, but it's gotta be premium. White goes OK, but there's a risk who ever gts him will over pay.

[chef]

Agree 100%.

I don't mind parting with Capitol, but it's gotta be premium. White goes OK, but there's a risk who ever gts him will over pay.

They'll pay overs and he's really not that good.

I've said all along I'd rather try and get Gumbleton for nothing through the PSD and keep all our picks for drafting kids who McCartney can mould into the players we need.

[bulldogtragic]

They'll pay overs and he's really not that good.

I've said all along I'd rather try and get Gumbleton for nothing through the PSD and keep all our picks for drafting kids who McCartney can mould into the players we need.
Can't see Gumby walking out of Essendon at all.

[GVGjr]

Can't see Gumby walking out of Essendon at all.

The decision might be made for him if they cop a salary cap reduction as part of the penalties they should get.

[chef]

Can't see Gumby walking out of Essendon at all.

Then I would steer clear of him too(but I can see him doing that if the appeal of getting coached by Macca(and having a decent hole to fill at FF) is as appealing as it seems). Don't wants us wasting draft picks and wages on fringe players. Keep taking the kids and developing our own players.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

The decision might be made for him if they cop a salary cap reduction as part of the penalties they should get.

A salary cap reduction would be a fitting part of their penalty. Carlton got away with their cheating and were able to recruit too well. When was the last time we outcompeted or outbid the more financial clubs or anyone for a recruit? NO one wanted Hall, even many Dog supporters and WOOFers.
We may have to wait till next year to get a quality forward recruit, do you think GVGjr? Is the medium term need for a forward to help our developing team more urgent than the need for one for us to compete in September longer term? The two things are not necessarily the same.

[GVGjr]

A salary cap reduction would be a fitting part of their penalty. Carlton got away with their cheating and were able to recruit too well. When was the last time we outcompeted or outbid the more financial clubs or anyone for a recruit? NO one wanted Hall, even many Dog supporters and WOOFers.
We may have to wait till next year to get a quality forward recruit, do you think GVGjr? Is the medium term need for a forward to help our developing team more urgent than the need for one for us to compete in September longer term? The two things are not necessarily the same.

Unless we can get some decent at a decent cost then I'd prefer to keep going to the draft table and focus on the youth.

Add Williams back into contention as a forward, another 12 months of development into Stringer and hopefully a focused Grant to go along with Jones then I think we enough options to not need to pay 'overs' for anyone.

We should look to draft versatile players who can play a few positions.

[LostDoggy]

Restricted Free Agents:
Scott Thompson; Eddie Betts; Nick Maxwell, Dale Thomas; Lance Franklin; Aaron Davey; Nick Dal Santo; Adam Cooney, Dale Morris.

Unrestricted Free Agents:
Jason Porplyzia; Simon Black, Jonthan Brown; Heath Scotland; Alan Didak; Dustin Fletcher, David Hille, Nathan Lovett-Murray, Jason Winderlich; Paul Chapman, Joel Corey, Corey Enright, Josh Hunt, Matthew Stokes; Max Bailey, Xavier Ellis, Brent Guerra, Michael Osborne; Colin Sylvia; Michael Firrito, Brent Harvey; Brett Ebert, T Logan, M Thomas; Luke McGuane, Shane Tuck, Matthew White; Jason Blake, Lenny Hayes, Justin Koschitzke, Stephen Milne; Jude Bolton; Dean Cox, Andrew Embley, Darren Glass, Mark Nicoski, Adam Selwood; Dylan Addison, Daniel Cross, Daniel Giansiracusa


Updated list, apparently, but i'm sure some names are missing. Mostly garbage, retirees and those that are firmly ingrained in the fabric of their club and won't leave anyway you think.

Matty White from Richmond would be a decent pick up. Love his run and attack from the games i've seen him play.

[always right]

I'd take Morris...reckon he goes okay.

[bulldogtragic]

Had a broken leg though. I wouldn't go near him or that Jacob Stringer fella.

[Throughandthrough]

Here's a photo I took of Brett Ebert 2 weeks ago.

Was making his long awaited return from multiple leg injuries in the Port Adelaide reserves, badly tore his hammy and limped off. Yibbedah Yibbedaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5347/9379199195_a271e9df82.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenelg_football_club_sanfl/9379199195/)
Glenelg vs Port Adelaide 096 Brett Ebert (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenelg_football_club_sanfl/9379199195/) by @glenelgfc (SANFL) (http://www.flickr.com/people/glenelg_football_club_sanfl/), on Flickr

Matthew Stokes would be ok

[LostDoggy]

Been left in the Clover field for a few weeks. Head looks to have gotten bigger also.

[1eyedog]

Can't see Gumby walking out of Essendon at all.

I actually do. I cannot believe that he is stupid enough to sign another deal if it means playing at Bendigo. Hird convinced him to stay last year telling him he would get opportunities but he hasn't becasue Crameri, Hurley and Daniher are in front of him in the forward line, Ryder too if it came down to it. If he is stupid enough to stay well we probably don't really want him anyway do we? Who wants a stupid person at their club?


Here's a photo I took of Brett Ebert 2 weeks ago.

Was making his long awaited return from multiple leg injuries in the Port Adelaide reserves, badly tore his hammy and limped off. Yibbedah Yibbedaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5347/9379199195_a271e9df82.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenelg_football_club_sanfl/9379199195/)
Glenelg vs Port Adelaide 096 Brett Ebert (http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenelg_football_club_sanfl/9379199195/) by @glenelgfc (SANFL) (http://www.flickr.com/people/glenelg_football_club_sanfl/), on Flickr

Matthew Stokes would be ok

Oh no thanks, ok player in a great team, very mediocre player in an up and coming one.

[LostDoggy]

Don's don't align with Bendigo anymore. Both are stand alone and Bendigo Gold are borderline insolvent. Hopefully the same happens to Essendon.

[1eyedog]

Are Essendon fielding their own seconds? I didn't know that! Only follow Willi to be honest.

[Mofra]

Updated list, apparently, but i'm sure some names are missing. Mostly garbage, retirees and those that are firmly ingrained in the fabric of their club and won't leave anyway you think.
Jeez, the only players available from that list are the ones you wouldn't want anyway.
Has Dean Cox signed a 1 year contract extension over the weekend?

[bornadog]

Are Essendon fielding their own seconds? I didn't know that! Only follow Willi to be honest.

Yes they split with Bendigo at the end of last year. Next Year Richmond will split with Coburg as well.

[1eyedog]

Yes they split with Bendigo at the end of last year. Next Year Richmond will split with Coburg as well.

Yes I know that the Tiges will split with Coburg I live in Moreland and read it in the Moreland Leader. What happens if Essendon players are banned fopr two years in the worse case scenario? Atre they able to play VFL footy?

[SlimPickens]

Yes I know that the Tiges will split with Coburg I live in Moreland and read it in the Moreland Leader. What happens if Essendon players are banned fopr two years in the worse case scenario? Atre they able to play VFL footy?

Depending who the ban comes from, but id imagine any sort of ban would exclude them from any level of competition.

[SlimPickens]

Wonder if we'd be interested in someone like Jason Winderlich. Thought he was outstanding in the game against us. Offers very good outside run and carry and works pretty bloody hard both ways. Just a thought.

[Greystache]

Wonder if we'd be interested in someone like Jason Winderlich. Thought he was outstanding in the game against us. Offers very good outside run and carry and works pretty bloody hard both ways. Just a thought.

Nice player, super quick and can play as a small lead up forward or off the wing. He's had a mountain of injuries over his time, including what looked like a career ending back problem, and I think he feels a strong allegiance to Essendon for sticking with him through it all.

If he's available I'd be keen, but I don't think he will be.

[Sedat]

Wonder if we'd be interested in someone like Jason Winderlich. Thought he was outstanding in the game against us. Offers very good outside run and carry and works pretty bloody hard both ways. Just a thought.
I'd be avoiding any Essendon players like the plague. The release of the ASADA interim report has been designed to give them more time to secure all the relevant evidence before the release of the final report, which will surely have infraction notices and lengthy bans handed out to the players.

[Axe Man]

Wonder if we'd be interested in someone like Jason Winderlich. Thought he was outstanding in the game against us. Offers very good outside run and carry and works pretty bloody hard both ways. Just a thought.

He will be 29 in October and as already mentioned has been injury plagued throughout his career. He may only have one more season in him. May suit a side having a crack at the flag but completely the wrong type of player for where we are at the moment.

[Axe Man]

Looks like Patrick Karnezis will be available.

Karnezis keen to leave Lions at season's end (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-06/karnezis-wants-vic-move)

Not sure why he hasn't been able to get much of a game for the Lions, has shown some good signs is his career thus far, including round 1 against us. I wouldn't mind him for something like a third round draft pick but the Lions would probably be after more.

[LostDoggy]

I'd be avoiding any Essendon players like the plague. The release of the ASADA interim report has been designed to give them more time to secure all the relevant evidence before the release of the final report, which will surely have infraction notices and lengthy bans handed out to the players.

You seem very certain especially when the ASADA guidelines are indicating 6 month suspensions if they co-operate and didn't know. Personally reckon without blood samples saying they are on something they will get off. In any case I wouldn't be ruling out Essendon players based on this, additionally we will know outcome pre trade period and be in a position to make an informed decision.

[LostDoggy]

Looks like Patrick Karnezis will be available.

Karnezis keen to leave Lions at season's end (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-06/karnezis-wants-vic-move)

Not sure why he hasn't been able to get much of a game for the Lions, has shown some good signs is his career thus far, including round 1 against us. I wouldn't mind him for something like a third round draft pick but the Lions would probably be after more.

Interesting, he's struck me as very much an outside player. All forward running and average disposal. Sort of a poor mans Justin Sherman.

[Twodogs]

Farren Ray type then.

[Scorlibo]

Farren Ray type then.

The Bulldog version. The Farren Ray playing for the Saints is a completely different beast.

[Scorlibo]

Interesting, he's struck me as very much an outside player. All forward running and average disposal. Sort of a poor mans Justin Sherman.

He doesn't have anything on the Shermanator from what I've seen. I would be very disappointed if we went for him.

[1eyedog]

Interesting, he's struck me as very much an outside player. All forward running and average disposal. Sort of a poor mans Justin Sherman.

Sounds just like Justin actually.

[LostDoggy]

He doesn't have anything on the Shermanator from what I've seen. I would be very disappointed if we went for him.

So would I. That wasn't remotely intended as a compliment ;)

[Go_Dogs]

Interesting, he's struck me as very much an outside player. All forward running and average disposal. Sort of a poor mans Justin Sherman.

I rated him in his draft year as a medium sized lead up forward rather than someone who should be seen as a running player. I wouldn't be totally against having a closer look at him.

[LostDoggy]

He was good against us in round 1

[Remi Moses]

He isn't up to it. No thank you

[Sedat]

You seem very certain especially when the ASADA guidelines are indicating 6 month suspensions if they co-operate and didn't know. Personally reckon without blood samples saying they are on something they will get off. In any case I wouldn't be ruling out Essendon players based on this, additionally we will know outcome pre trade period and be in a position to make an informed decision.
I honestly think the players are in deep trouble, hence why I would be avoiding trading with Essendon for any of their players in the off-season.

[Templeton31]

He doesn't have anything on the Shermanator from what I've seen. I would be very disappointed if we went for him.

what has happened to the shermanator? I thought he was meant to be playing for willi this year...

[LostDoggy]

I honestly think the players are in deep trouble, hence why I would be avoiding trading with Essendon for any of their players in the off-season.

Well I guess we disagree six months max is my tip and that is less than a 50% chance.

Anyway what are people's thoughts on Yarran would be pretty keen on him great kicking pace and evasion - a replacement for what we lost in Harbrow and what we will lose in Murphy (well as close you can get anyway)

[Varangian]

what has happened to the shermanator? I thought he was meant to be playing for willi this year...

He pulled out of a game in mid-may against the Pies due to an injury and I missed out on seeing him run around. I have no idea what has happened since. I'm not sure he has played since!

[LostDoggy]

He pulled out of a game in mid-may against the Pies due to an injury and I missed out on seeing him run around. I have no idea what has happened since. I'm not sure he has played since!

He definitely suffered a season ending injury, on twitter he had a couple of well wishers saying bigger and better next year etc. Not sure what the injury was though. He's been doing 'inside the nest' a little Williamstown Seagulls show.

[F'scary]

Looks like Patrick Karnezis will be available.

Karnezis keen to leave Lions at season's end (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-06/karnezis-wants-vic-move)

Not sure why he hasn't been able to get much of a game for the Lions, has shown some good signs is his career thus far, including round 1 against us. I wouldn't mind him for something like a third round draft pick but the Lions would probably be after more.

He would have to be good overhead to attract our attention. We have recruited Stringer, Grant is back in form. We seem to have enough medium sized forwards beyond these two. Can he take a mark above his head? Can he play as a marking target?

[immortalmike]

The Bulldog version. The Farren Ray playing for the Saints is a completely different beast.

In what way? Still looks the exact same Sideways Ray to me.

[Remi Moses]

In what way? Still looks the exact same Sideways Ray to me.

Interesting that Ray has re-signed with the Saints.
Probably not a bad idea considering they are about lo lose a truckload of experience.

[Remi Moses]

He pulled out of a game in mid-may against the Pies due to an injury and I missed out on seeing him run around. I have no idea what has happened since. I'm not sure he has played since!

Reckon he had a knee issue early in the year.

[LostDoggy]

In what way? Still looks the exact same Sideways Ray to me.

His tackle numbers and contested ball certainly increased under Ross Lyon, he got him to play a tougher style of game.

[Varangian]

Reckon he had a knee issue early in the year.

Yes it seems that is the case.

[Throughandthrough]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/crows-to-do-8216due-diligence8217-before-making-a-play-for-dogs-champion-adam-cooney/story-fni5f4l8-1226692992749


Crows to do 'due diligence' before making a play for Dogs champion Adam Cooney by: ANDREW CAPEL •From: The Advertiser •August 07, 2013 10:30AM

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Western Bulldogs star Adam Cooney is a free agent at the end of the season. Source: News Limited


ADELAIDE says it will do its "due diligence'' on Brownlow Medallist Adam Cooney before making a play for the restricted free agent.
The former West Adelaide star is one of just a handful of big names still on the AFL's free agent list, which is headlined by Hawthorn star Lance Franklin.

MORE: LOSS OF TOP DRAFT PICKS TO HAUNT CROWS

While reluctant to discuss individuals, the Crows - armed with plenty of salary cap space after Kurt Tippett's departure to Sydney - say they want to be "active'' in this year's free agency and trade period as they look to fill holes on their list.

And list manager David Noble said "ex-South Australians always flag some interest from both us and Port Adelaide''.

Cooney, 27, has put Adelaide and the Power on red alert by refusing to sign a new contract with the Dogs, who made the midfielder the No. 1 draft pick in 2003.

While Cooney's manager Rick Olarenshaw has indicated Cooney wants to remain at the kennel, coach Brendan McCartney says his club "has some work to do'' to re-sign the hardrunning midfielder.

"I think there's a bit to work at,'' McCartney said.

"I'm not entitled to make a comment at the moment because it's not until people agree to stay and both parties are happy that you can comment on it.''

Cooney would appear a better fit at Adelaide than Port, which is flush with talented young midfielders.

But going against a big-money play for him would be questions over his chronic right knee problem, which has hampered him in recent years and saw him fly to Germany for treatment last summer.

Cooney has returned to his best this season, averaging 25 disposals in 16 games.

"We certainly wouldn't make public comment on where we see his injury,'' Noble said.

"We've been through all of the free agents and guys that fit our profile of needs are priorities.

"With all free agents you have to due your due diligence, see where they fit in with your needs and think what are they going to provide moving forward.

"There's a whole lot of criteria.''

Adelaide also has been linked to Carlton small forward Eddie Betts, who also is a restricted free agent and is reportedly seeking as much as $600,000 a season to join a new club.

North Melbourne defender Nathan Grima, Essendon ruckman Tom Bellchambers and Brisbane midfielder Jared Polec, all out of contract at the end of the season, also have been linked to the Crows.

Noble said Adelaide hopes to be a big player in the October and November free agency and trade market but that it doesn't intend to pay over the odds for players, noting next year's free agency pool, which includes Carlton's SA star Bryce Gibbs, is strong.

"We'd like to feel we'll be active but there will be a sense of being responsible,'' Noble said.

"We've managed our TTP, due to whatever circumstances, pretty well at the moment but we have to make the right calls. Not everything's about this year.''

Noble said he expected the Crows' own free agents Scott Thompson (restricted) and Jason Porplyzia (unrestricted) to be at the club next year.

Thompson, 30, already has triggered a contract clause to play on at Adelaide after meeting certain criteria this season.

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Restricted free agents

Scott Thompson (Adel), Eddie Betts (Carl), Nick Maxwell, Dale Thomas (Coll), Lance Franklin (Haw), Aaron Davey (Melb), Nick Dal Santo (SK), Adam Cooney, Dale Morris (WB).

Unrestricted free agents

Jason Porplyzia (Adel), Simon Black, Jonathan Brown (Bris), Heath Scotland (Carl), Alan Didak (Coll), Dustin Fletcher, David Hille, Nathan Lovett-Murray, Jason Winderlich (Ess), Paul Chapman, Joel Corey, Corey Enright, Josh Hunt, Mathew Stokes (Geel), Max Bailey, Xavier Ellis, Brent Guerra, Michael Osborne (Haw), Colin Sylvia (Melb), Michael Firrito, Brent Harvey (NM), Brett Ebert, Tom Logan, Matt Thomas (Port), Luke McGuane, Shane Tuck, Matthew White (Rich), Jason Blake, Lenny Hayes, Justin Koschitzke, Stephen Milne (SK), Jude Bolton (Syd), Dean Cox, Andrew Embley, Darren Glass, Mark Nicoski, Adam Selwood (WCE), Dylan Addison, Daniel Cross, Daniel Giansiracusa (WB).

[Bulldog4life]

Unrestricted free agents

Jason Porplyzia (Adel), Simon Black, Jonathan Brown (Bris), Heath Scotland (Carl), Alan Didak (Coll), Dustin Fletcher, David Hille, Nathan Lovett-Murray, Jason Winderlich (Ess), Paul Chapman, Joel Corey, Corey Enright, Josh Hunt, Mathew Stokes (Geel), Max Bailey, Xavier Ellis, Brent Guerra, Michael Osborne (Haw), Colin Sylvia (Melb), Michael Firrito, Brent Harvey (NM), Brett Ebert, Tom Logan, Matt Thomas (Port), Luke McGuane, Shane Tuck, Matthew White (Rich), Jason Blake, Lenny Hayes, Justin Koschitzke, Stephen Milne (SK), Jude Bolton (Syd), Dean Cox, Andrew Embley, Darren Glass, Mark Nicoski, Adam Selwood (WCE), Dylan Addison, Daniel Cross, Daniel Giansiracusa (WB).

Wonder what Crossy will do next year? Can't see him retiring if we delist him. Would prefer to see him still with our Club or with the VFL Footscray Bulldogs...if that is going to be the name. Wonder if GWS, Melbourne or any other team would be interested?

[LostDoggy]

The VFL team may need a permanent Captain. That's what Troy Selwood has done down at Geelong over the past couple of years.

[JohnGentStand]

Crossy want to play senior football. Rumour has it Port Adelaide & Melbourne have shown interest.

[bulldogtragic]

Crossy want to play senior football. Rumour has it Port Adelaide & Melbourne have shown interest.
Source?

[JohnGentStand]

A friend wih a close link. He has been right about him in the past so a credible one.

[bulldogtragic]

A friend wih a close link. He has been right about him in the past so a credible one.
Thanks JGS.

Good for Crossy personally.

[JohnGentStand]

Along with Libba Snr & Wynd I havent seen a more courageous Bulldog player.

[LostDoggy]

Would be happy to see Cross play for our vfl team or even try to drag Melbourne out of the doldrums. I'd honestly rather see him play for another team than retire when he thinks he has more to give.

[boydogs]

Would be happy to see Cross play for our vfl team or even try to drag Melbourne out of the doldrums. I'd honestly rather see him play for another team than retire when he thinks he has more to give.

Has anything come from the club suggesting we will retire him? I know he hasn't played a chunk of games this year but I haven't heard anything directly.

[LostDoggy]

Has anything come from the club suggesting we will retire him? I know he hasn't played a chunk of games this year but I haven't heard anything directly.

He and the club definitely haven't said anything to suggest so. So anything about his status is pure speculation at this stage.

[The Underdog]

Has anything come from the club suggesting we will retire him? I know he hasn't played a chunk of games this year but I haven't heard anything directly.

Reality is we need to create spots for drafting and the fact that Crossy was first out of the side to create room for the younger guys suggests his time is short. We have a few guys coming towards the end and need to stagger them leaving, which is why I think Cross and Gia will go this year (possibly a year early) and then possibly 2 of Boyd/Morris/Murphy next year.

[Dry Rot]

Wasn't there a claim on TFS last night about Carlton getting rid of 10 players?

I'd like Yarran at the right price, but I doubt the Blues would accept a second round pick.

[azabob]

Wasn't there a claim on TFS last night about Carlton getting rid of 10 players?

I'd like Yarran at the right price, but I doubt the Blues would accept a second round pick.

What role do you see him playing? I'm not sure he is a good fit for us.

[always right]

I hope Crossy ends up in a good place....he really deserves it. It will be tough watching him running around with another club if that's waht happens but I would have thought he would be a perfect match for GWS where he would be an outstanding role model and provide leadership on field. Personally I hope he retires and remains a one club player. One of my favourites.

[always right]

What role do you see him playing? I'm not sure he is a good fit for us.

I can see us paying overs and it concerns me. Has a lot of what we are looking for but he's a front runner of the highest order.

[Dry Rot]

What role do you see him playing? I'm not sure he is a good fit for us.

Would give us some flair/counter attacking in the backline.

[azabob]

Would give us some flair/counter attacking in the backline.

My concern is even attacking defenders, need to defend. I don't see him doing that.

JJ has really made that role his own, along with Tom Young the potential return of Easton Wood I prefer those three over Yarren.

[Remi Moses]

Would give us some flair/counter attacking in the backline.

He has no defensive side at all.
Hence why he is on the outer with Mick.
It's all great on the eye, but he doesn't defend.

[Twodogs]

Along with Libba Snr & Wynd I havent seen a more courageous Bulldog player.



Terry Wallace springs to mind. I still can't believe he played the week after Grinter broke his face.

[The Doctor]

I'd like Yarran at the right price, but I doubt the Blues would accept a second round pick.

Likewise.

I understand others being sceptical about him citing lack of defensive pressure. But at his best he is an absolute jet and cuts teams to pieces. Has explosive speed and a terrific kick. We don't have anyone quite like that.

Let me ask the doubters who would you prefer running through the midfield to deliver the ball to our forwards? Boyd, Picken, Cross, Addison, Wallis, Libba, Lower, or Yarran?

He would cost a lot and may not suit Macca's team philosophy. But I would certainly be enquiring.

[LostDoggy]

Likewise.

I understand others being sceptical about him citing lack of defensive pressure. But at his best he is an absolute jet and cuts teams to pieces. Has explosive speed and a terrific kick. We don't have anyone quite like that.

Let me ask the doubters who would you prefer running through the midfield to deliver the ball to our forwards? Boyd, Picken, Cross, Addison, Wallis, Libba, Lower, or Yarran?

He would cost a lot and may not suit Macca's team philosophy. But I would certainly be enquiring.
I wouldn't mind picking up Yarran at the right price, he could come cheap since Mick doesn't rate him that highly.
FYI I would still prefer Libba delivering, a more consistent, reliable and under rated kick.

[always right]

Likewise.

I understand others being sceptical about him citing lack of defensive pressure. But at his best he is an absolute jet and cuts teams to pieces. Has explosive speed and a terrific kick. We don't have anyone quite like that.

Let me ask the doubters who would you prefer running through the midfield to deliver the ball to our forwards? Boyd, Picken, Cross, Addison, Wallis, Libba, Lower, or Yarran?
He would cost a lot and may not suit Macca's team philosophy. But I would certainly be enquiring.

It's a silly question. I could just as easily ask you who you would rather have in a one on one contest in the opposition goal square? Years ago you could have substitued Yarran's name with Ryan Houlihan's. You just can't pick out one facit of their game to justify your position.

But in the end....it's all about what you give up for him. I wouldn't give up anything more than our third round pick or at worst a downgraded second round pick.

[Remi Moses]

Likewise.

I understand others being sceptical about him citing lack of defensive pressure. But at his best he is an absolute jet and cuts teams to pieces. Has explosive speed and a terrific kick. We don't have anyone quite like that.

Let me ask the doubters who would you prefer running through the midfield to deliver the ball to our forwards? Boyd, Picken, Cross, Addison, Wallis, Libba, Lower, or Yarran?

He would cost a lot and may not suit Macca's team philosophy. But I would certainly be enquiring.

Yes, and who would you like in a BIG GAME to perform Chris Front runner Yarran or those players you mentioned. :rolleyes:
No Thankyou

[LostDoggy]

Can't say that I was inspired at all by Yarran tonight, his first couple of disposals went nowhere near their targets and he went missing in the last with a nice goal his highlight.

[Mofra]

On a different tack - Jeremy Laidler. Looked good in 2011, injured last year, out of favour it seems this year.

Decent 189cm rebounding defender, would be cheaper than Yarran. Seems a "value" trade similar to the Young/Stevens type of players we were looking at last year.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

On a different tack - Jeremy Laidler. Looked good in 2011, injured last year, out of favour it seems this year.

Decent 189cm rebounding defender, would be cheaper than Yarran. Seems a "value" trade similar to the Young/Stevens type of players we were looking at last year.

I'd want to check him out properly -- have heard he's lost his agility and a yard since that injury.

How old is he?

[Happy Days]

On a different tack - Jeremy Laidler. Looked good in 2011, injured last year, out of favour it seems this year.

Decent 189cm rebounding defender, would be cheaper than Yarran. Seems a "value" trade similar to the Young/Stevens type of players we were looking at last year.

My Carlton mate was spare he wasn't playing yesterday

[Mofra]

My Carlton mate was spare he wasn't playing yesterday
Most of them are and want him in the team - apparently he isn't flexible in that he can really only play in defence and has been playing forward at VFL level to develop his ability at both ends.
Some suggest he wont be on their list next year - I'd be happy to throw him a lifeline.

[Twodogs]

I like Laidler. He's a decent player.

[LostDoggy]

He'd be our second third-clubber, along with Lower.

[LostDoggy]

Gumbleton has had a shocker today. Surely would be cheap if we still want him

[chef]

Gumbleton has had a shocker today. Surely would be cheap if we still want him

PSD only for me.

[Scorlibo]

Chris Yarran is an absolute freak. I would be more than happy to give up a late first round pick for him - and moreover I think that's what he's worth. No one in the competition can kick the ball at speed like he can. Closest in that respect would be Bob Murphy.

[comrade]

Chris Yarran is an absolute freak. I would be more than happy to give up a late first round pick for him - and moreover I think that's what he's worth. No one in the competition can kick the ball at speed like he can. Closest in that respect would be Bob Murphy.

He can play but his disposal yesterday under very little pressure was woeful.

Looks disinterested at the moment and I can see Malthouse giving him the arse at the right place.

Early 2nd rounder could do the trick which I'd jump at.

[G-Mo77]

Gumbleton has had a shocker today. Surely would be cheap if we still want him

Apparently the classy Essendon supporters were on his back as well.

He made a horrible career decision by turning down more money and more years contracted to continue to play with Essendon where he is 3rd in line. I'd offer them a 4th at this stage and say take it or leave it.

[LostDoggy]

He can play but his disposal yesterday under very little pressure was woeful.

Looks disinterested at the moment and I can see Malthouse giving him the arse at the right place.

Early 2nd rounder could do the trick which I'd jump at.

I'd be into Yarran at the right price and back Macca (and Goodes) to get his head right. He appears the closest replacement to Murphy that we will get (speed, evasiveness and foot skills). He is also in the right age bracket.

[Bulldog Joe]

Not overly keen on Yarran.
I know he could be a star, but seems to lack the heart required for when the going is tough. Skill needs to stand up under pressure, not just when things are going your way.

Gumby certainly looked poor against the Eagles. Pass for me.

[whythelongface]

Not overly keen on Yarran.
I know he could be a star, but seems to lack the heart required for when the going is tough. Skill needs to stand up under pressure, not just when things are going your way.

Gumby certainly looked poor against the Eagles. Pass for me.

Agree with comments on Yarran. Doesn't appear to be the type of player that fits McCartney's mantra.

As for Gumbleton I think the whole Essendon saga is starting to take its toll on their players. Think they are mentally fragile at the moment. Therefore I wouldn't read too much into their present form. I would rather Crameri instead of Gumby.

If we could nab Crameri and another key forward this would give us plenty of options in our forward line.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Agree with comments on Yarran. Doesn't appear to be the type of player that fits McCartney's mantra.

As for Gumbleton I think the whole Essendon saga is starting to take its toll on their players. Think they are mentally fragile at the moment. Therefore I wouldn't read too much into their present form. I would rather Crameri instead of Gumby.

If we could nab Crameri and another key forward this would give us plenty of options in our forward line.

Or maybe he's the kind of player that needs a McCartney as a coach.
If you could get the absolute best out of Yarran he's a potential A grader.

[bornadog]

Or maybe he's the kind of player that needs a McCartney as a coach.
If you could get the absolute best out of Yarran he's a potential A grader.

Yarran should be playing on the half back line and running the ball through the lines. He is not a forward and shouldn't be tried there either.

[whythelongface]

Or maybe he's the kind of player that needs a McCartney as a coach.
If you could get the absolute best out of Yarran he's a potential A grader.

Could well be but I don't think McCartney would take the risk on player like Yarran. Think he would much prefer a player that has a far superior work ethic than Yarran.

[Mofra]

Chris Yarran is an absolute freak. I would be more than happy to give up a late first round pick for him - and moreover I think that's what he's worth. No one in the competition can kick the ball at speed like he can. Closest in that respect would be Bob Murphy.
Quality player no doubt, but does he play the style B-Mac would want?
I think B-Mac is after players who give their all for the team, and that quality is far more important than natural talent.
Compare him with Ben McGlynn - Yarren has 10x the talent, but McGlynn is leading the goalkicking for a top four side. Iknow who B-Mac would choose.

[KT31]

Is Brisbane's Karnezis worth a look at ?
Played pretty well against us in round one and has said he want's to return to Vic.
Imagine you would get him for a third round pick.

[Remi Moses]

Is Brisbane's Karnezis worth a look at ?
Played pretty well against us in round one and has said he want's to return to Vic.
Imagine you would get him for a third round pick.

Karnezis, although I've seen not much of him hasn't looked like he has much work rate.
You'd think Brisbane with Brown out would be giving some of their forwards a hit out.
Wouldn't think We'd go there

[LostDoggy]

Remember us targeting Mark Nicoski a few years back?

After an injury-riddled last couple of seasons he and Adam Selwood have hung up the boots.

[Mofra]

Remember us targeting Mark Nicoski a few years back?

After an injury-riddled last couple of seasons he and Adam Selwood have hung up the boots.
Add him to the Matthew Bate list of "bullets dodged"

[LostDoggy]

Makes you really think about trading for middle-aged players. Our enquiries have been the kiss of death over the last couple of years.

At this rate Gumbleton will be delisted or retired at the end of 2014

[Sedat]

Add him to the Matthew Bate list of "bullets dodged"
To be fair to Nicoski, he had his best AFL season ever the year immediately after he was linked to us. Injuries, more than mediocrity, have ruined his career.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

To be fair to Nicoski, he had his best AFL season ever the year immediately after he was linked to us. Injuries, more than mediocrity, have ruined his career.

Agreed.

I always liked Nicoski, he was underrated. Had some troubles in the 'mid' part of his career due to some bad injuries, but was fantastic a year or two ago after a good start to his career.

[LostDoggy]

Still thinking that Matty White from Richmond would be a versatile FA pick up. He's fast and has a decent tank - just been shut out of their midfileld/high forwardline line this season due to the level of players they've had perfoming roles this season.

Has played the sub rule to perfection, coming on late and running teams around when they're buggered, little bit like what Tutty has done with his pace. He'll be 27'ish by the time next season starts, has played 100 games and really fits into that experience gap we have. I don't think he'd just be making up the numbers and woudl likely be a best 18-22 type.

On another note, really think Dylan, who's a unrestricted FA, is gone. Why would he not been signed by now if he wanted to stay/we wanted him to stay. Let's be honest.

[Remi Moses]

To be fair to Nicoski, he had his best AFL season ever the year immediately after he was linked to us. Injuries, more than mediocrity, have ruined his career.

Agree, injuries have killed him.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Still thinking that Matty White from Richmond would be a versatile FA pick up. He's fast and has a decent tank - just been shut out of their midfileld/high forwardline line this season due to the level of players they've had perfoming roles this season.

Has played the sub rule to perfection, coming on late and running teams around when they're buggered, little bit like what Tutty has done with his pace. He'll be 27'ish by the time next season starts, has played 100 games and really fits into that experience gap we have. I don't think he'd just be making up the numbers and woudl likely be a best 18-22 type.

On another note, really think Dylan, who's a unrestricted FA, is gone. Why would he not been signed by now if he wanted to stay/we wanted him to stay. Let's be honest.

Addison?

I don't take it as an indication that he's leaving. Reality is we have more pressing issues than re-signing him before the end of the year, no doubt he would understand this. It shouldn't cause any influence on whether or not he signs IMO. A lot of fringe players tend to only re-sign at the end of the season.

[stefoid]

If we are taking punts, I think Id rather take a punt on Dayle Garlet with a latter draft pick than trade for Yarran.

[chef]

If we are taking punts, I think Id rather take a punt on Dayle Garlet with a latter draft pick than trade for Yarran.

He'll be gone by late first/early second round IMO.

[LostDoggy]

Yeah, no chance Stefoid. First rounder / top 20 for sure for Garlett.

[Remi Moses]

Dustin Martin?
According to reports Richmond and Martin are poles apart.
Gotta feeling though Ralph Carr ( manages Cloke) is trying to squeeze a bit more coin out of the Tiges.
Reece Conca is also out of contract and may be squeezed out.

[ledge]

Martin is an interesting one , we know he is a fiery type but I can't recall anything major being a problem, would we grab him and would he be a better person under macca ? As far as talent goes he is capable of winning games off his own boot if he puts his mind to it.

[bulldogtragic]

TheAge saying Richmond is haggling over $100,000 or so. (Wants $600,000). We have about $500,000 in the cap, plus retirements (?), I'd like to see if he wants out of there.

[bornadog]

TheAge saying Richmond is haggling over $100,000 or so. (Wants $600,000). We have about $500,000 in the cap, plus retirements (?), I'd like to see if he wants out of there.

Can't see us getting him.

[bulldogtragic]

Can't see us getting him.
I can't either. But if he wants $$$ and we offer more, it's not an entirely irresponsible thing of the club to let him know we rate him.

[LostDoggy]

I'd rather make a play for Conca. He's becoming an absolute ripper and I think the difference between worth and Richmonds offer will be even broader.

[LostDoggy]

Isn't Conca a tough midfielder with average disposal, do we need another?

[chef]

Isn't Conca a tough midfielder with average disposal, do we need another?

He's a gun.

Can't see any Richmond players wanting to leave ATM for an extra few $$$.

[LostDoggy]

Interestingly Zaine Cordy will be available next at the end of 2014, and while not as impressive a junior as Ayce is considered a possible candidate for 2nd or third round.

[azabob]

I can't either. But if he wants $$$ and we offer more, it's not an entirely irresponsible thing of the club to let him know we rate him.

Maybe we don't rate him? :)

[chef]

And according to someone up here with 'Collingwood ties', Daisy will be a Blue come end of the season.

[LostDoggy]

He's a gun.

Can't see any Richmond players wanting to leave ATM for an extra few $$$.

Agreed but if Martin holds firm it may not just be a few more. We are talking about paying Crameri $450k a year. With our current situation we could surely heavily front end a 4 year deal to put in front of Conca at maybe $1.4 mill? If we went $400/400/300/300 it would help when the kids start needing to be paid more. He has a fantastic future.

[azabob]

And according to someone up here with 'Collingwood ties', Daisy will be a Blue come end of the season.

No offense Chef, not shooting the messenger, but its not hard to put two and two together and come up with that.

[chef]

No offense Chef, not shooting the messenger, but its not hard to put two and two together and come up with that.

Fair enough. I would have thought being a FA and being able to choose any club he wants he would want to go to a team that's going to challenge in the next 5 years, so I would have been surprised that he would end up at the Blues, even considering the pull of Malthouse.

[azabob]

Fair enough. I would have thought being a FA and being able to choose any club he wants he would want to go to a team that's going to challenge in the next 5 years, so I would have been surprised that he would end up at the Blues, even considering the pull of Malthouse.

The whole situation is bizarre then. Surely Collingwood will challenge again next year? So if he leaves it will be about money, and soley money (PS - And you are right, why would he go to Carlton - they are a long way off).

[Hot_Doggies]

Agreed but if Martin holds firm it may not just be a few more. We are talking about paying Crameri $450k a year. With our current situation we could surely heavily front end a 4 year deal to put in front of Conca at maybe $1.4 mill? If we went $400/400/300/300 it would help when the kids start needing to be paid more. He has a fantastic future.

Conca 1.4mill?!?

He is one of the most overrated players in the comp

[Remi Moses]

No to that^^
Conca's okay but not at that money.
I'm staggered Martin wants that much.
Gotta be his manager at play there, surely.

[Hot_Doggies]

No to that^^
Conca's okay but not at that money.
I'm staggered Martin wants that much.
Gotta be his manager at play there, surely.

Good young player with a Sydney connection, crazy not to ask for big $$$

[Remi Moses]

Good young player with a Sydney connection, crazy not to ask for big $$$

Isn't he from Perth?

[Hot_Doggies]

Isn't he from Perth?

Grew up in Sydney , think his dad still lives there.

[Twodogs]

And according to someone up here with 'Collingwood ties', Daisy will be a Blue come end of the season.


I said that Daisy was only interested in a Hollywood club 'like' Carlton but I didnt mean only Carlton. he wants to go to a club that gets plenty of publicity, glamour and media attention. We have a lot of good qualities but glamour ain't one of them.

Apologies for any confusion.

[bulldogsfight]

http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/kristian-jaksch


Wants to come home

[GVGjr]

http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/kristian-jaksch
Wants to come home

GWS used a first round pick on him so he won't come cheap especially after they put 12 months of development in him.

He was a good junior footballer and can play both ends of the grounds.

The best we could hope for to get him is to offer our pick 4/5 for their pick 10 (they have another pick in the first round) and Jaksch.
They might also demand a player like Tutt or our 2nd round pick as well.

I wonder why he hasn't settled there?

[GVGjr]

TheAge saying Richmond is haggling over $100,000 or so. (Wants $600,000). We have about $500,000 in the cap, plus retirements (?), I'd like to see if he wants out of there.

He would be chasing a 4 year deal so it's not just $100,000 as a one off. An extra $400,000 for the deal hurts their ability to pay others over a long period as they already have some other players on the big coin.

Is bringing a player who is purely chasing money the right thing for a developing club?

No question he is a very, very good footballer but he and his manager have already played Richmond once by saying that GWS wanted him (when they didn't) and now they are doing it again.

Richmond paid overs from him on the last contract and now he is demanding that Richmond do so again despite all the assistance they have done in cleaning up some of the issues he has had off the field.

I have no problems with any player getting the best deal they can but it appears that Martin will play very hard ball every time a contract is to be negotiated.

He would be ideal for us because of his age and the fact that he can win games but I'd tread carefully on this one.

[comrade]

Martin is an interesting one , we know he is a fiery type but I can't recall anything major being a problem, would we grab him and would he be a better person under macca ? As far as talent goes he is capable of winning games off his own boot if he puts his mind to it.

If the public really knew about some of his indiscretions, well lets just say he wouldn't be lauded as much as he is. Richmond have bent over backwards to keep it in house.

Great player, absolute knob.

[G-Mo77]

http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/kristian-jaksch


Wants to come home

My quoted tweet earlier in this thread.


Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF

Young GWS forward Kristian Jaksch getting plenty of interest around league. Dogs keen to reunite him with ex-Carey mates Hrovat/Macrae. #AFL

[Ghost Dog]

He would be chasing a 4 year deal so it's not just $100,000 as a one off. An extra $400,000 for the deal hurts their ability to pay others over a long period as they already have some other players on the big coin.

Is bringing a player who is purely chasing money the right thing for a developing club?

No question he is a very, very good footballer but he and his manager have already played Richmond once by saying that GWS wanted him (when they didn't) and now they are doing it again.

Richmond paid overs from him on the last contract and now he is demanding that Richmond do so again despite all the assistance they have done in cleaning up some of the issues he has had off the field.

I have no problems with any player getting the best deal they can but it appears that Martin will play very hard ball every time a contract is to be negotiated.

He would be ideal for us because of his age and the fact that he can win games but I'd tread carefully on this one.


Would not past the no DH test.

[chef]

Would not past the no DH test.

Neither would Hall, Akermanis, Welsh etc.

[GVGjr]

Neither would Hall, Akermanis, Welsh etc.

I suppose the difference with those 3 as compared to Martin is that they weren't demanding massive contracts.

[bulldogtragic]

I suppose the difference with those 3 as compared to Martin is that they weren't demanding massive contracts.
A DH is a DH though. and All 3 of them didnt have 10 years left, in the prime of their career either. You want a very good player in their prime, you pay him very good money. If he's not a culture fit, that's a different story.

[anfo27]

Martin isn't a player we need though & neither is Conca. Yeah both would be good pick ups but not on the coin they are asking & why would you spend that kind of coin on players we don't really need.

I can't understand how the tigers have little cap space with that list. If they want to overpay their players then let them but i don't want us doing the same. I don't think we should make a splash into the free agency market until our list is at a stage to really contend, then we can really go after someone that could really change the fortunes of our club

[soupman]

I suppose the difference with those 3 as compared to Martin is that they weren't demanding massive contracts.

And that presumable Macca's quality young men policy is more strict that Rockets flexible no DH policy. Don't forget Sherman as well btw.

[ledge]

And that presumable Macca's quality young men policy is more strict that Rockets flexible no DH policy. Don't forget Sherman as well btw.

Yes different coach different talent scout, different culture.
I seriously believe our club has a whole different attitude on player recruitment, the Macca quality young men is a great idea, you can't really go wrong.

[bulldogtragic]

Yes different coach different talent scout, different culture.
I seriously believe our club has a whole different attitude on player recruitment, the Macca quality young men is a great idea, you can't really go wrong.
I like the quality young men mantra, but the test of this policy working is winning a premiership. Collingwood won a premiership chock full of DH's, so it's not like the opposite is 'wrong'. I just want to win, if this is the process we need to win, good. I don't care about the morality of it.

[LostDoggy]

Neither would Hall, Akermanis, Welsh etc.

I didn't realise Welsh was a DH. Don't recall anything untoward during his career. What did he do?

[azabob]

I didn't realise Welsh was a DH. Don't recall anything untoward during his career. What did he do?

I think he liked the drink and he may have got into trouble with it.

[Mofra]

http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/kristian-jaksch

Wants to come home
Does he? He tweeted last month that he was house hunting in Sydney

[bornadog]

I didn't realise Welsh was a DH. Don't recall anything untoward during his career. What did he do?


I think he liked the drink and he may have got into trouble with it.

Oh my god I am shocked. :D

[KT31]

My quoted tweet earlier in this thread.

If they lose Kristian Jaksch, it may will mean GWS would be keen to select Boyd.
Hopefully we can end up with one of the two at the Doggies next season.
Think Macca would be great for either to learn under.

[The Underdog]

If they lose Kristian Jaksch, it may will mean GWS would be keen to select Boyd.
Hopefully we can end up with one of the two at the Doggies next season.
Think Macca would be great for either to learn under.

Think we're more likely to be able to get our hands on Jaksch. More affordable considering what we have to offer. Think it takes a Liberatore to get Boyd. Can't see anyone else not named Griffen who gets it done.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Jacksh would be a brilliant addition - I wondered whether we should have taken him with one of our picks last year

Expect Carlton to also put their hat in the ring

[josie]

Should we consider Jack Watts? I think he'd prosper under Macca.

Heard Wallace talk on SEN toubnght and he reckons Gumby & Crameri is kind of what we've got, and we should consider moreso a forward like Watts (I think he said or implied lead up, running tall forward). He also does not have injury history like Gumby. What would we have to give up to obtain Watts? Can we afford him?

[The Doctor]

Should we consider Jack Watts? I think he'd prosper under Macca.



no way

stay away from melbourne players and their taught to lose culture

[Dry Rot]

GWS used a first round pick on him so he won't come cheap especially after they put 12 months of development in him.

He was a good junior footballer and can play both ends of the grounds.

The best we could hope for to get him is to offer our pick 4/5 for their pick 10 (they have another pick in the first round) and Jaksch.
They might also demand a player like Tutt or our 2nd round pick as well.



Would you do that deal? I would.

[stefoid]

Jaksch a possible upgrade on Young/Austin?

[Mofra]

Jaksch a possible upgrade on Young/Austin?
We'd develop him as a forward I'd imagine.

Talented kid - I thought he was settled in Sydney, but I'd be happy to trade for him.

[LostDoggy]

Should we consider Jack Watts? I think he'd prosper under Macca.

Heard Wallace talk on SEN toubnght and he reckons Gumby & Crameri is kind of what we've got, and we should consider moreso a forward like Watts (I think he said or implied lead up, running tall forward). He also does not have injury history like Gumby. What would we have to give up to obtain Watts? Can we afford him?

Josie, I've had this exact scenario in my mind for the entire year. People say he's soft, heard footsteps, that he's a broken player, but i just can't totally accept that that's going to be the epitaph of his career.

Can we afford him - he really shouldn't command more that 250-300 if he really wants to establish a career.

The Bulldogs and Macca (in particular) would be an ideal match imo.

[bulldogtragic]

Josie, I've had this exact scenario in my mind for the entire year. People say he's soft, heard footsteps, that he's a broken player, but i just can't totally accept that that's going to be the epitaph of his career.

Can we afford him - he really shouldn't command more that 250-300 if he really wants to establish a career.

The Bulldogs and Macca (in particular) would be an ideal match imo.
Yeah, the interview he gave to Fox after Neeld was sacked showed he needs a less abrasive educating coach. That could be a draw card for us. I can't see his flourishing to his potential without it. I hope he does well wherever he goes, he seems a quality young man with talent.

[westdog54]

no way

stay away from melbourne players and their taught to lose culture

Personally I see any player dead keen to leave Melbourne as someone ready to reject the culture and totally embrace a new club.

Watts is playing like a man totally devoid of passion for the game at the moment and if he can't find a new club it will kill his career.

[The Doctor]

Personally I see any player dead keen to leave Melbourne as someone ready to reject the culture and totally embrace a new club.

Watts is playing like a man totally devoid of passion for the game at the moment and if he can't find a new club it will kill his career.

Fine

then let him find his way elsewhere

[Remi Moses]

I'm on the same page as the Doctor on this one( not often)
Watts has no urgency! Only watched a smidgen of their game, and there was a play where Jack ( playing loose in defence) had to man up a Freo player.
The Freo player took an easy mark with Watts nowhere near him.

[macca]

Watts was in marking contest 50/50 with Fyff today. Ball went to ground and no second effort, he was looking in completely wrong direction. Fyffe hand passes to Ballantyne and goals. Even commentary was scathing of lack of awareness. Can't take a contested mark in That situation and no second efforts. Is there upside to break these habits?

[chef]

Heard Wallace talk on SEN toubnght and he reckons Gumby & Crameri is kind of what we've got, and we should consider moreso a forward like Watts (I think he said or implied lead up, running tall forward). He also does not have injury history like Gumby. What would we have to give up to obtain Watts? Can we afford him?

Seems we have a better version of Gumby already in Campbell.

[soupman]

I would be supportive of getting Watts but only at the right price, and we wouldn't be able to get him for that price. That's the only issue I'd have with it though.

I feel that as a club we've already ingrained the non-negotiables and while Watts is a player that wouldn't meet them at present if he was forced to force his way into the side like Grant had to he would do it, and lets face it pick 1's have a lot of talent and Watts is no exception. I'm sure that as a club we could develop Watts harder edge and that once he bought in we would have a player with very good scope for improvement.

Does anyone actually have a likely price for Watts though? I know that Melbourne would want a lot for him, but would any other club offer very much? Are we actually in the market because his price could end up very low?

[comrade]

I would be supportive of getting Watts but only at the right price, and we wouldn't be able to get him for that price. That's the only issue I'd have with it though.

I feel that as a club we've already ingrained the non-negotiables and while Watts is a player that wouldn't meet them at present if he was forced to force his way into the side like Grant had to he would do it, and lets face it pick 1's have a lot of talent and Watts is no exception. I'm sure that as a club we could develop Watts harder edge and that once he bought in we would have a player with very good scope for improvement.

Does anyone actually have a likely price for Watts though? I know that Melbourne would want a lot for him, but would any other club offer very much? Are we actually in the market because his price could end up very low?

Melbourne would only want a lot due to the sunk cost fallacy. If they were objective, they'd see his performances to date were only worth a 2nd rounder at best.

[soupman]

Melbourne would only want a lot due to the sunk cost fallacy. If they were objective, they'd see his performances to date were only worth a 2nd rounder at best.

Yep, and that's likely all they'll be offered. I'm tipping the asking price is going to start out much higher though.

[Mofra]

Personally I see any player dead keen to leave Melbourne as someone ready to reject the culture and totally embrace a new club.

Watts is playing like a man totally devoid of passion for the game at the moment and if he can't find a new club it will kill his career.
A number of players have left and played decent footy - Josh Mahoney to Brissie, Brad Green has showed a bit.

I'm concerned that Watts would cost too much atteh trade table.

[Bulldog Joe]

A number of players have left and played decent footy - Josh Mahoney to Brissie, Brad Green has showed a bit.

I'm concerned that Watts would cost too much atteh trade table.

Not sure if this is a serious post.

Josh Mahoney is on the Melbourne coaching staff

Brad Green is on the Carlton coaching panel.


Brent Moloney has going ok at Brisbane however.


On Watts, I think he has enormous talent, but he clearly hasn't been taught "the right way"

He lacks second efforts, but I believe that is more the norm at Melbourne.
Huge upside with the right coach/club.

[mighty_west]

Tom Campbells last few weeks to me have pretty much shut the door on going after the Swannies Jessie White imo, whilst White is a little more mobile, they both play the same role and surely we couldn't play all Minson, Campbell and White in the same side.

Jack Watts? hmmm, perhaps a new team and culture and direct game style could help him but he's probably the laziest player I've seen run out in the AFL, just simply gives up with most contests.

[bornadog]

Tom Campbells last few weeks to me have pretty much shut the door on going after the Swannies Jessie White imo, whilst White is a little more mobile, they both play the same role and surely we couldn't play all Minson, Campbell and White in the same side.

Jack Watts? hmmm, perhaps a new team and culture and direct game style could help him but he's probably the laziest player I've seen run out in the AFL, just simply gives up with most contests.

You have hit the mail on the head, lazy is a very good description. He just doesn't work hard enough.

[mighty_west]

You have hit the mail on the head, lazy is a very good description. He just doesn't work hard enough.

Do you think a new environment and culture could help him though? There is no doubt the talent is there, and watching the Dees game yesterday there are just no leaders out there to guide players like Watts, they also have very little structure, and I'm still scratching my head on how on earth they beat us earlier in the season.

[Mofra]

Not sure if this is a serious post.
Apologies, got the names wrong - Moloney to Brissie, defender to Geelong. Yes, serious post.

Still think Watts will be too expensive for what he offers.

[GVGjr]

Do you think a new environment and culture could help him though? There is no doubt the talent is there, and watching the Dees game yesterday there are just no leaders out there to guide players like Watts, they also have very little structure, and I'm still scratching my head on how on earth they beat us earlier in the season.

I don't think players at the Dees have been asked in a non negotiable manner to display a work ethic. He has plenty of upside if he knows he's been only going at 80%

[Twodogs]

Apologies, got the names wrong - Moloney to Brissie, defender to Geelong. Yes, serious post.

Still think Watts will be too expensive for what he offers.



Jarred Rivers. I had to stop and think about it myself.

[Greystache]

Jarred Rivers. I had to stop and think about it myself.

Hasn't he missed 16 weeks with a recurrence of a pre-existing knee problem?

[bulldogtragic]

Hasn't he missed 16 weeks with a recurrence of a pre-existing knee problem?
I haven't seen him this year.

[1eyedog]

I haven't seen him this year.

Didn't he play this weekend?

The Watts discussion is a broken record on this forum. I reckon he has everything that Macca likes in a young man. He's also smart and will learn the game plan and his role in it quickly.

Think Macca will be attracted to the project and he would become next pet pretty quickly.

[Sedat]

I previously mentioned Bernie Vince as a player I'd like us to have a look at and yesterday's performance reinforced my belief that he is a quality player. He might be a little too old for the age profile of potential recruits and I don't even know his contract status, but I think he would bring some excellent attributes to compliment our existing midfield brigade.

[bulldogtragic]

Didn't he play this weekend?

The Watts discussion is a broken record on this forum. I reckon he has everything that Macca likes in a young man. He's also smart and will learn the game plan and his role in it quickly.

Think Macca will be attracted to the project and he would become next pet pretty quickly.
Yep. I took Sat night off footy, thought both games were going to be too lopsided.

Agree on Watts too FWIW

[1eyedog]

I previously mentioned Bernie Vince as a player I'd like us to have a look at and yesterday's performance reinforced my belief that he is a quality player. He might be a little too old for the age profile of potential recruits and I don't even know his contract status, but I think he would bring some excellent attributes to compliment our existing midfield brigade.

I reckon he's got 4 good years in him given he's 27. Big bodied midfielder with excellent skills and a South Australian boy.

We would need to move heaven and earth...

Out of contract this year but wants to stay. Not sure if he has re-signed.

[Maddog37]

Isn't Bernie a bit of a party boy?

[1eyedog]

Isn't Bernie a bit of a party boy?

He hasn't been caught with E's in his pocket if that's what you mean.

[Maddog37]

Not what I meant. Moreso that he may not always make his recovery and football preparation his number one priority.

[Twodogs]

Hasn't he missed 16 weeks with a recurrence of a pre-existing knee problem?


He might have but Mof mentioned a defender who went from Melbourne to Geelong.

TBH I always mix him up with Brad Miller-I got halfway through an article in an article in Inside Footy a few weeks ago about how much more Miller was enjoying his footy since he left the AFL and started playing at a local club. I didnt realise he'd been at Richmond in between! :o

[Greystache]

He might have but Mof mentioned a defender who went from Melbourne to Geelong.

I'm sure you've got the right player, and he's been back the last 2 weeks. I'm just not sure a player who came to the club with a knee problem and has missed 16 weeks in his first season has been a successful recruit.

[LostDoggy]

They picked up some garbage. Big H and Rivers have been the darlings of the medical room since last trade period.

[1eyedog]

Not what I meant. Moreso that he may not always make his recovery and football preparation his number one priority.

Ok not sure about aptitude. What have you heard? I've never heard a bad report. I remember hearing about him being one of the first to leave as a young player during the Port vs Crows pub brawl a few years ago.

[Greystache]

Ok not sure about aptitude. What have you heard? I've never heard a bad report. I remember hearing about him being one of the first to leave as a young player during the Port vs Crows pub brawl a few years ago.

He got a suspension and $5000 fine at the start of last season (which he had to spend to buy tickets for supporters for the NAB Cup final) for drinking during the lead up to the game. He was also dropped in 2011 for another drinking offense. He has some form.

[whythelongface]

Didn't he play this weekend?

The Watts discussion is a broken record on this forum. I reckon he has everything that Macca likes in a young man. He's also smart and will learn the game plan and his role in it quickly.

Think Macca will be attracted to the project and he would become next pet pretty quickly.


Agree there is plenty of upside to Watts and a lot to work with.

If Melbourne do decide to trade him they would more thank likely request a 2nd round pick. Personally think a 2nd rounder is too high based on what he has shown.

[1eyedog]

He got a suspension and $5000 fine at the start of last season (which he had to spend to buy tickets for supporters for the NAB Cup final) for drinking during the lead up to the game. He was also dropped in 2011 for another drinking offense. He has some form.

Yes it seems so given the above.


Agree there is plenty of upside to Watts and a lot to work with.

If Melbourne do decide to trade him they would more thank likely request a 2nd round pick. Personally think a 2nd rounder is too high based on what he has shown.

I'd take it. I don't know what it is about him I just reckon he can still be a very good player with some confidence and a strong culture driven by strong leaders.

[LostDoggy]

Agree there is plenty of upside to Watts and a lot to work with.

If Melbourne do decide to trade him they would more thank likely request a 2nd round pick. Personally think a 2nd rounder is too high based on what he has shown.

Second rounder for an under-performing number one draftee who'll be right on 23 years old at the start of 2014 season, with an AFL conditioned body, but obvious football related mental weaknesses;

Or an unknown kid at a draft pick where it's borderline whether they'll play 50 games or be delisted in 2 years time, with no AFL fitness base/AFL ready body.

?

(if that's the deal, and the remuneration is agreeable, i'd take Watts with our culture to change him)

[bulldogtragic]

Yes it seems so given the above.



I'd take it. I don't know what it is about him I just reckon he can still be a very good player with some confidence and a strong culture driven by strong leaders.
+1..

[josie]

Second rounder for an under-performing number one draftee who'll be right on 23 years old at the start of 2014 season, with an AFL conditioned body, but obvious football related mental weaknesses;

Or an unknown kid at a draft pick where it's borderline whether they'll play 50 games or be delisted in 2 years time, with no AFL fitness base/AFL ready body.

?

(if that's the deal, and the remuneration is agreeable, i'd take Watts with our culture to change him)

Agree with this post MRM, I reckon Macca & recruiting staff would jump at 2nd round for Watts. Not sure we'd get him for that though.

I think reason Watts did not sign up immediately is he has not been happy with culture & (my perception) autocratic coaching style of Neeld, not so much a money issue (although I think he will command a high price by whatever club takes him on).

Also I do think Macca would be a great mentor type coach for Watts and no matter whether he comes to us or not, I do hope he realised his high potential.

The adage big blokes take longer is so true.

I also agree with the poster that said Campbell should put the Swan's White option on hold - Campbell has been a revelation in last month and hope he can continue this as well as be our next main ruck. Goes to show one bad performance (earlier this year) should be seen as just that - do not write players off too soon.

[Sedat]

I'm torn on the Jack Watts discussion. He is one of the elite field kicks I've ever seen for a player his size - it is almost Chris Grant-esque. But he possesses such a dismal lack of intensity in everything he does, whether it be offensive or defensive minded - he flies half-hearted for marks whenever in a pack situation, and the less said about his work when his team doesn't have the ball the better. IMO it is bloody hard to teach intensity - either you have it or you don't - and I wouldn't be interested in getting Watts unless he was deadly serious about become the best possible footballer he can be, and that his lack of drive and intensity he is showing now is a by-product of being deeply unhappy at his current club.

[azabob]

I'm torn on the Jack Watts discussion. He is one of the elite field kicks I've ever seen for a player his size - it is almost Chris Grant-esque. But he possesses such a dismal lack of intensity in everything he does, whether it be offensive or defensive minded - he flies half-hearted for marks whenever in a pack situation, and the less said about his work when his team doesn't have the ball the better. IMO it is bloody hard to teach intensity - either you have it or you don't - and I wouldn't be interested in getting Watts unless he was deadly serious about become the best possible footballer he can be, and that his lack of drive and intensity he is showing now is a by-product of being deeply unhappy at his current club.

J.Grant has managed to lift / be taught his?

[LostDoggy]

Can't see us taking Watts. I highly recommend Macca's post match in its entirety for those who haven't yet seen it. He basically says he wants a team of hard ethical players who work for each other, that a premiership is built from the ground up of team orientated men, and that anyone who won't play team can get stuffed (Macca says it much better....) I'm not sure he's looking to acquire a bloke who needs mental TLC. He wants mental warriors who are ready to embrace team work rate and moral (looking out for each other) grounding. Watts doesn't seem to fit that profile as I think Melbourne broke him. What a waste.

[Dry Rot]

With all the discussion of Watts, White, Gumbleton and Crameri, don't forget the team in the west which is also desperate for tall forwards and has a coach with a track record of selling the future for the sake of the present.

[The Doctor]

Do we really need to trade this year?

A couple of months ago I would have said yes but I'm now thinking we should go down the grow our own path.

[azabob]

Do we really need to trade this year?

A couple of months ago I would have said yes but I'm now thinking we should go down the grow our own path.

Agree totally Doc. I really believe we should keep our draft picks and anyone worth trading, is worth keeping.

If we can secure someone via free agency or pre-season draft that doesn't cost the world and can be of value, for sure we should go for it.

[LostDoggy]

Matty Lloyd on 3AW just mentioned to Bob Murphy he hears Crameri is coming our way

Yeah Baby

[azabob]

Matty Lloyd on 3AW just mentioned to Bob Murphy he hears Crameri is coming our way

Yeah Baby

How do we get him?

[Dry Rot]

Do we really need to trade this year?

A couple of months ago I would have said yes but I'm now thinking we should go down the grow our own path.


May depend on you how see us finishing in 2014.

From what I have read, there are some good tall forward options within say the first 6 picks, so if we finish 13th or below, we'll have access to them.

I'm not thrilled to bits by the thought of trading this year for Watts, White, Gumbleton or even Crameri, but hypocritically I'd consider our second round pick for Yarran.

We may also be able to pick up later pick value like we did with Stevens and Young.

[LostDoggy]

How do we get him?

2nd rounder I assume? We wouldn't give our 1st and surely Essendon will play ball if he's wanting to leave? Surely......

[Dry Rot]

2nd rounder I assume? We wouldn't give our 1st and surely Essendon will play ball if he's wanting to leave? Surely......

Freo may offer their first rounder....

[LostDoggy]

It would be rare not to let him go where he wants to go but yes, if they did it could become an issue. As a trade can't he just put his foot down? Can he ditch the dons I it could ugly and jump in the preseason draft? That would be simple - we just cut out of the draft early and take an early preseason pick?

[LostDoggy]

Do we really need to trade this year?

A couple of months ago I would have said yes but I'm now thinking we should go down the grow our own path.

I tend to agree with this. I'd still like Crameri but think we have reasonable depth in most positions. I'd like to see if theres any takers for our borderline best 22 players with a view to upgrading our picks. Guys like Addison, Tutt, Lower, Picken, Austin maybe Wood. They are good players and worth a spot on the list but if another team comes knocking, it would give them more game time, ease the squeeze on our list and give us some value through upgrades.

[westdog54]

Do we really need to trade this year?

A couple of months ago I would have said yes but I'm now thinking we should go down the grow our own path.

Do you still want Cameron Wood?:D

I'm pretty much on the same page as you are. I don't share the urge to go out and pay overs to get a key forward into the club. Jones is 18 months younger than Grant yet seems at times to have higher expectations put on him. I'd love to see him in a forward line where he doesn't get the best defender week in week out. With Grant's resurgence, Campbell's development and a preseason under Stringer's belt, our forward line could create some headaches next year.

[1eyedog]

Matty Lloyd on 3AW just mentioned to Bob Murphy he hears Crameri is coming our way

Yeah Baby

Scott Lucas said the same thing on SEN. Said Crameri will not be at the Bombres next year but will still be playing in the west.

Freo?

[Remi Moses]

It would be rare not to let him go where he wants to go but yes, if they did it could become an issue. As a trade can't he just put his foot down? Can he ditch the dons I it could ugly and jump in the preseason draft? That would be simple - we just cut out of the draft early and take an early preseason pick?

Gotta feeling they will want a foot in the draft.

[Remi Moses]

Scott Lucas said the same thing on SEN. Said Crameri will not be at the Bombres next year but will still be playing in the west.

Freo?

" In the West" I'd say is us.
After the events of 2013 they are 100% a northern suburbs team:p

[The Underdog]

Crameri pretty much fills Gia's role automatically but with some added flexibility. Wouldn't believe anything coming out of Essendon information wise at the moment though.

[LostDoggy]

Crameri pretty much fills Gia's role automatically but with some added flexibility. Wouldn't believe anything coming out of Essendon information wise at the moment though.

As much as I detest him as a special comments man, Lloyd is deep in the know re the Dons. He raised as though gospel as did say Dogs not West in the Murphy interview.

[comrade]

A forward line of Crameri, Jones, Grant and Stringer would cause a few match up nightmares.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

A forward line of Crameri, Jones, Grant and Stringer would cause a few match up nightmares.

Indeed. Dahl, Higgins and Dickson rotating through there makes it extremely dangerous too.

I hope we get Crameri, my only concerns are his niggling injuries year by year and what we'd have to give up to get him.

If we do land Crameri, I hope we draft a key back with an early pick.

[Eastdog]

Do our ruck stocks look good for the future or is that another area we need to invest in a bit.

[boydogs]

Do our ruck stocks look good for the future or is that another area we need to invest in a bit.

I reckon we're OK with Minson, Campbell, Roughead & Cordy, but if he doesn't get picked up anywhere else Cameron Wood from Williamstown would be a nice addition.

[Eastdog]

I reckon we're OK with Minson, Campbell, Roughead & Cordy, but if he doesn't get picked up anywhere else Cameron Wood from Williamstown would be a nice addition.

Another Grundy type would be great. My brother is a Pies supporter and he has been really impressed with this youngster who has only played 4 games and is already doing wonders in the ruck for them.

[GVGjr]

Do we really need to trade this year?

A couple of months ago I would have said yes but I'm now thinking we should go down the grow our own path.

We don't need to do anything dramatic but I think we can still strengthen the list or our draft positions by trading. If there is an option to pick up another Young or Stevens or getting another 2nd round draft pick I think we need to explore those options.

[LostDoggy]

Another Grundy type would be great. My brother is a Pies supporter and he has been really impressed with this youngster who has only played 4 games and is already doing wonders in the ruck for them.

Grundy was a top 10 pick who fell. Pies got lucky and he's going to be a ripper for them!

Sorry to hear your brother has no teeth :(

[Eastdog]

Grundy was a top 10 pick who fell. Pies got lucky and he's going to be a ripper for them!

Sorry to hear your brother has no teeth :(

I'm happy that his one of them that has teeth :D

[The Underdog]

As much as I detest him as a special comments man, Lloyd is deep in the know re the Dons. He raised as though gospel as did say Dogs not West in the Murphy interview.

Yeah, I guess I'm just wary of what they know and also the historical difficulty of dealing with them.
I like Crameri but I'm wary of the cost of getting him (pick wise, I couldn't care less what they $ they pay him) and his history with niggling injuries.

[Eastdog]

Yeah, I guess I'm just wary of what they know and also the historical difficulty of dealing with them.
I like Crameri but I'm wary of the cost of getting him (pick wise, I couldn't care less what they $ they pay him) and his history with niggling injuries.

Who could we potentially trade for him that has value? That's a tough question.

[Mantis]

If we do land Crameri, I hope we draft a key back with an early pick.

With our first pick?

I would hope our 1st pick is used on a pacy midfielder... We need to start looking to replace Cooney & Griffen as we don't have many like players on our list, and we all know how valuable these 2 are... and the picks used to get them.

[Mofra]

Despite winning yesterday, I am really starting to hope we keep our first pick and pick up the best mid we can find. Our clearance work was completely transformed when Griffen was in the centre - it was starkly noticeable. A kid who is a genuine A grade chance. Given Macca's post-match comments, I'm not sure we will be big players at the trade table this year.

Given the Essendon problems, I'm worried about the risks in trading for Crameri, as much as I think he'd be fantastic for us.

Seem to be a few kids that may be around late in the draft that are worth punting on - anyone seen or know about Guy Dickson?

[Eastdog]

Despite winning yesterday, I am really starting to hope we keep our first pick and pick up the best mid we can find. Our clearance work was completely transformed when Griffen was in the centre - it was starkly noticeable. A kid who is a genuine A grade chance. Given Macca's post-match comments, I'm not sure we will be big players at the trade table this year.

Given the Essendon problems, I'm worried about the risks in trading for Crameri, as much as I think he'd be fantastic for us.

Seem to be a few kids that may be around late in the draft that are worth punting on - anyone seen or know about Guy Dickson?

Any relation to Tory Dickson?

[stefoid]

Another Grundy type would be great. My brother is a Pies supporter and he has been really impressed with this youngster who has only played 4 games and is already doing wonders in the ruck for them.

Already looking to be the steal of the draft at pick 18 or whatever they got him for.

[Eastdog]

Already looking to be the steal of the draft at pick 18 or whatever they got him for.

Superdog says he was in the top 10.

[LostDoggy]

Superdog says he was in the top 10.

Should've been top 10 on talent but went to the filth at 18 or 19 from memory

[Eastdog]

Should've been top 10 on talent but went to the filth at 18 or 19 from memory

Yeah there can certainly be some gems that are picked much lower. It has to do with having the right recruiters in there.

[comrade]

First pick must be the best mid available, IMO. You look at the rise of Port Adelaide this year and its off the back of a very strong and young midfield group - Boak, Hartlett, Wingard and Ebert. Add a wily old veteran like Kane Cornes and you can see the impact the midfield has on a teams fortunes.

Let's get Aish!

[LostDoggy]

I really really want Jack Billings at our first pick. There are some concerns with his ability to move into the midfield but i don't think it will be an issue after 2-3 pre seasons. He is just the most naturally gifted footballer. Vision, skills, smarts, marking ability, goal sense, good speed he ticks them all.

I would be happy to part with pick 21-22 for Crameri, no worries.

[stefoid]

I really really want Jack Billings at our first pick. There are some concerns with his ability to move into the midfield but i don't think it will be an issue after 2-3 pre seasons. He is just the most naturally gifted footballer. Vision, skills, smarts, marking ability, goal sense, good speed he ticks them all.

I would be happy to part with pick 21-22 for Crameri, no worries.

There is a rumour on bigfooty that we are seriously into John Marsh - some super quick 190cm forward/mid. Most phantom drafts say this would be a huge reach at pick 4/5.

[bulldogtragic]

There is a rumour on bigfooty that we are seriously into John Marsh - some super quick 190cm forward/mid. Most phantom drafts say this would be a huge reach at pick 4/5.
Speak to MJP, I think Marsh is one of his colts.

4 or 5 is very high from everything I've read this year though and the little I have seen.

[Eastdog]

What other full forwards are we looking at besides Tom Boyd of course who if we are serious in getting him will be hard to secure.

[Go_Dogs]

First pick must be the best mid available, IMO. You look at the rise of Port Adelaide this year and its off the back of a very strong and young midfield group - Boak, Hartlett, Wingard and Ebert. Add a wily old veteran like Kane Cornes and you can see the impact the midfield has on a teams fortunes.

Let's get Aish!

I don't think we'll get a chance unfortunately.

Going to be a very interesting draft for us as there isn't perhaps any one standout who'll be available at our selection.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I don't think we'll get a chance unfortunately.

Going to be a very interesting draft for us as there isn't perhaps any one standout who'll be available at our selection.

Agree. Boyd, Aish and Scharenburg are certain to be top 3. After that it gets interesting as there is no clear 4th. Kelly? Sheed? Billings?

[chef]

I don't think we'll get a chance unfortunately.

Going to be a very interesting draft for us as there isn't perhaps any one standout who'll be available at our selection.

Quick outside mid with great skills and who cracks in would be perfect

[Scorlibo]

Josh Kelly looks like an absolute gun.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Josh Kelly looks like an absolute gun.

As an outside player he is probably on par with Aish from what i hear. Only issue with him is his physicality and ability to get the contested ball. He's got a good head on his shoulders so hopefully he can add some bulk over a few preseasons and have no issue with the contested game

[SlimPickens]

As an outside player he is probably on par with Aish from what i hear. Only issue with him is his physicality and ability to get the contested ball. He's got a good head on his shoulders so hopefully he can add some bulk over a few preseasons and have no issue with the contested game

He ain't overly quick either.

[Greystache]

He ain't overly quick either.

Sounds a bit like Toumpas. Running at one pace all day as an outside midfielder makes it tough at AFL level if you don't have absolutely elite endurance. Kelly isn't high on my list.

[LostDoggy]

I've heard Kelly has elite endurance, is quick and has very good footskills.
Comparable to someone like Andrew Gaff, who does all his work on the outside but just gets away from his opponents with work rate

[LostDoggy]

Thinking Melbourne will take Josh kelly with their first pick to avoid the go-home factor.

Last thing they need is Scharenberg or Aish to want to go home after two years of having their career almost destroyed.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

With our first pick?

I would hope our 1st pick is used on a pacy midfielder... We need to start looking to replace Cooney & Griffen as we don't have many like players on our list, and we all know how valuable these 2 are... and the picks used to get them.

Depends where our first pick is.

We are very unlikely to land a Cooney/Griffen though, this has still been a compromised draft so pick 5 or 6 is realistically pick 7/8 in a draft that is supposed to only have a couple standouts (Boyd, Aish, Scharenberg).

We need to go best available but with one of our first two picks, I'd like to see us target a key defender. I'm still not convinced Roughead is the best long term option down there and Morris has 1-2 years left.

[The Underdog]

Thinking Melbourne will take Josh kelly with their first pick to avoid the go-home factor.

Last thing they need is Scharenberg or Aish to want to go home after two years of having their career almost destroyed.

Like picking Watts instead of Naitanui and they're likely going to lose Watts anyway. Pick the one you think is the best player and back yourself in to keep him.

[LostDoggy]

Like picking Watts instead of Naitanui and they're likely going to lose Watts anyway. Pick the one you think is the best player and back yourself in to keep him.

But, but ..... its Melbourne. They know they won't.....

[Eastdog]

Do you reckon if Dawes came to us instead of Melbourne that he would have been a good fit to our forward structure.

[always right]

Do you reckon if Dawes came to us instead of Melbourne that he would have been a good fit to our forward structure.

Maybe but if he came to us perhaps we wouldn't be seeing the development of Campbell up forward. His move to Melbourne instead of us may have been a sliding dawes moment.

[comrade]

His move to Melbourne instead of us may have been a sliding dawes moment.

Boom tish :D

[Eastdog]

Maybe but if he came to us perhaps we wouldn't be seeing the development of Campbell up forward. His move to Melbourne instead of us may have been a sliding dawes moment.

Fair point AR. Do you see Campbell who was very good might I add to have more of a permanment role up there in the future or is he more a ruck type like Cordy will most likely be as he hasn't crash hot up forward.

[always right]

Fair point AR. Do you see Campbell who was very good might I add to have more of a permanment role up there in the future or is he more a ruck type like Cordy will most likely be as he hasn't crash hot up forward.

Plenty to like about the big fella up forward. He gets to contests that Cordy doesn't, he takes marks that Cordy doesn't, he has a physical presence that Cordy doesn't, he kicks goals that Cordy doesn't, he's a better ruckman than Cordy and there's plenty of upside left in him. Yep...worth persevering with and hopefully it gives Cordy the incentive to work harder to compete for his spot.

This wasn't meant to be an excuse to bag Cordy but Campbell's performances have illustrated perfectly what you require from a big bloke playing as a second ruck and resting forward.