Trading 'IN' since 2003 (Dogs, Hawks & Swans)

[bulldogtragic]

Analyse or comment as you will...

Western Bulldogs:

Steven Koops (19 - David Mundy)
Adam Morgan (Luke Peel)
Peter Street (20 - Sam Butler)
Lachlan Veale/Jade Rawlings (Mark Alvey, 6 Kepler Bradley)
Jason Akermanis & Andrew MacDougall (29 - Eric McKenzie & 59 Jarryd Allen)
Ben Hudson & (43) Easton Wood (30 - Jarran Jayhky & 38 Myke Cook)
Tim Callan (nil all trade all around)
Barry Hall (47 - Ryan Harwood)
Pat Vezpremi & 91 (na) (Andreajs Everitt)
Nathan Djerkerra (57 - Alex Johnson)
Sherman (comp Patrick Karnezis)
* (21) Nathan Hrovat & (41) Mason Wood (Brian Lake and 27 James Stewart)
Koby Stevens (44 - Harrison Marsh)
Tom Young (71 - rookie upgrade)


Hawthorn:

Josh Gibson & Duryea (25 - Aaron Black & 41 Ayden Kenneddy)
Shaun Burgoyne (Mark Williams & 9 Andrew Moore)
David Hale & 52 (Cameron Oshea) (comp Keiran Harper & 71 Ben Mabon)
Kyle Cheney & 66 (Paul Puopolo) (52 Cameron Oshea)
Jack Gunston, 53 Alex Woodward & 71 Cameron Sutcliffe (24 Henry Schade, 46 Nick Joyce & 64 Cam Ellis-Yolmen)
Jarrad Boumann (56 Tom Downie)
Matt Sphanger & (72 rookie upgrade) (66 - Kaiden Brand)
Brian Lake & 27 James Stewart (21 - Nathan Hrovat & 41 Mason Wood)


Sydney:

Darren Jolly (15 - Lyden Dunn)
Ted Richards (19 - Courtney Dempsey, 50 Sam Lonergan)
Peter Everitt (33 - Jarryd Morton)
Martin Mattner (28 - Marlon Motlop)
Henry Playfair (44 - Scott Simpson)
Rhyce Shaw & (61) Campbell Heath (44 - Luke Rounds)
Mark Seaby, (28) Mitch Duncan & (55) Trent Dennis-Lane (Buchanan, (22) Gerrick Weddon)
Shane Mumford (28 - Mitch Duncan)
Ben McGlynn & Josh Kennedy (39 - Sam Grimley, 46 Ben Stratton & 70 rookie upgrade)
Andreajs Everitt (Pat Vezpremi and 91 n/a)
Mitch Morton (79 - Setanta O'Hailpin)
Tony Armstrong, 35 Daniel Markworth & 68 Beau Wilkes (Lewis Johnston)
Tommy Walsh (35 and 68 above)

[boydogs]

Koops, Everitt & Sherman look a bit silly now don't they.

[1eyedog]

Everitt should have been pick 111.

He was horrible for Sydney on Friday night.

[G-Mo77]

I don't really like grading trades on who was taken with the pick traded but the Koops one was horrible. Pick 19 for him? Yikes!

Sherman we got redfaced on no matter which way you paint it.

[Topdog]

Sydney smashed the Hawks with that Kennedy and McGlynn trade

[bulldogtragic]

Looking at Sydney's record, being that they seem to easily win in every trade for 10 years, I hope we don't trade with them ever again!

[azabob]

Looking at Sydney's record, being that they seem to easily win in every trade for 10 years, I hope we don't trade with them ever again!

We nailed them on the Barry Hall trade, however circumtances were in our favour.

[bulldogtragic]

We nailed them on the Barry Hall trade, however circumtances were in our favour.
My understanding is a little different based on the alleged negotiations the year before on this trade. Hall the year before might have been the difference. Who knows... It didnt change anything though.

[azabob]

My understanding is a little different based on the alleged negotiations the year before on this trade. Hall the year before might have been the difference. Who knows... It didnt change anything though.

As in they wanted a first round pick the previous year?

I guess we will never know.

[bulldogtragic]

As in they wanted a first round pick the previous year?

I guess we will never know.
Yep. What a lose/lose non trade.

They would have got Roughy or Jones with our 2nd rounder and not had Hall nearly kill someone out of the frustration of being here one year too long. (They got the pick next year used on Harwood). And We would have had a massive chance against the Aints in the prelim.

I guess Ayce Cordy was far too much to give up (at the time).

Lose/lose.

[Twodogs]

BT have you got the Richmond results for their trading over the same period?

[bulldogtragic]

BT have you got the Richmond results for their trading over the same period?
Give me 10 minutes.

[Sedat]

Sydney smashed the Hawks with that Kennedy and McGlynn trade
Kennedy is elite but McGlynn is overrated - Puopolo was far more effective in the same role on Friday night. And Hawthorn ended up with a 10 year key defender out of that trade. Swans win in the trade but not by anywhere near as much as is made out.

[bulldogtragic]

Give me 10 minutes.
Richmond:

Nathan Brown (6 Kepler Bradley & 20 Sam Butler)
Troy Simonds (Aaron Fiora)
Pat Bowden (56 Joel Patful)
Graham Polak, 13 Jack Riewoldt & 63 (Tyson Goldsack) (8 Ben Reid, 42 Bacher Houli)
Mitch Morton (35 Sam Reid Sydney)
Jordan McMahon (19 Callan Ward)
Adam Thomson (42 Mitch Banner)
Hiatus
Steven Morris & 15 Brandon Ellis (14 Devon Smith)
Shaun Grigg (Andy Collins)
Ivan Maric (37 Jack Newnes)
Aaron Edwards (74 pass)


Not including PSD (i.e. Cousins, Lonergan, Stephenson, Petterd and Houli) and FA (Chaplin, Knights) etc, etc.

I think they're #1 for the PSD/recycled players.

[G-Mo77]

They did pretty well since their hiatus. Steven Morris is such a great defender, Shaun Grigg was a steal so was Maric.

I thought we did really well out of the Nathan Brown trade but pissed the picks up the wall. 6 + 20 is a good return.

[bulldogtragic]

Richmond:

Nathan Brown (6 Kepler Bradley & 20 Sam Butler)
Troy Simonds (Aaron Fiora)
Pat Bowden (56 Joel Patful)
Graham Polak, 13 Jack Riewoldt & 63 (Tyson Goldsack) (8 Ben Reid, 42 Bacher Houli)
Mitch Morton (35 Sam Reid Sydney)
Jordan McMahon (19 Callan Ward)
Adam Thomson (42 Mitch Banner)
Hiatus
Steven Morris & 15 Brandon Ellis (14 Devon Smith)
Shaun Grigg (Andy Collins)
Ivan Maric (37 Jack Newnes)
Aaron Edwards (74 pass)


Not including PSD (i.e. Cousins, Lonergan, Stephenson, Petterd and Houli) and FA (Chaplin, Knights) etc, etc.

I think they're #1 for the PSD/recycled players.
Also recycled:

Ben Marsh
Simon Fletcher
Trent Knobel
Mark Graham
Jeremy Humm (RD)
Kent Kingsley (PSD)
Clayton Collard (RD)
Tristan Cartledge (RD)
Tom Hislop
Brad Miller (RD)
Aadam Maric (RD)


Not sure about why they keep backing in their recruitment of recycled players...

[bulldogtragic]

Richmond's (recycled) Team of the Decade:

B: Thomson Chaplin M. Graham

HB: Grigg Polak McMahon

C: Lonergan Petterd Knights

HF: A. Edwards B. Miller Hislop

F: N. Brown Kingsley M. Morton

R: Simonds, Cousins, Houli

IC: Maric, Knobel, P. Bowden, Marsh

Emerg: Stephensen, Fletcher, Humm, Collard, Cartledge

[Twodogs]

Cheers BT.


Yeahs. The Brown picks debacle. We must have swaggered into trade week like drunken sailors waving draft picks around. Wie gave away pick 20 for Peter Street. Geelong were about to delist hiim.

[LostDoggy]

Cheers BT.


Yeahs. The Brown picks debacle. We must have swaggered into trade week like drunken sailors waving draft picks around. Wie gave away pick 20 for Peter Street. Geelong were about to delist hiim.

But we'd never have had the Peter Street Pocket!

[bulldogtragic]

Cheers BT.


Yeahs. The Brown picks debacle. We must have swaggered into trade week like drunken sailors waving draft picks around. Wie gave away pick 20 for Peter Street. Geelong were about to delist hiim.
What was the sum total of pick 6, 19 and 20?

SFA!

[LostDoggy]

Was the Koops trade just unlucky? Didn't he start well but then have a ton of unlikely injuries (broken jaw etc)?

[bulldogtragic]

To be fair to Richmond, here is our (recycled) Team of the Decade:

B: Morgan Pask Austin

HB: Montgomery MacDougall Callan

C: Djerkerra Stevens Sherman

HF: Koops Davidson Vezpremi

F: Rawlings Hall Welsh

R: Hudson Akermanis Lower

Int: Street, Baird, Barlow, Young, Veale, Moles, Bassett (2001 - Bandy, M. Picken, Rusca, James)

[Prince Imperial]

Huddo would easily be first ruck ahead of Streeter.

[bulldogtragic]

(recycled) Team of the Decades: Western Bulldogs vs Richmond:

B: Morgan (M. Morton) Pask (Kingsley) Austin (A. Edwards)

HB: Montgomery (N. Brown) MacDougall (B. Miller) Callan (Hislop)

C: Djerkerra (Lonergan) Stevens (Petterd) Sherman (Knights)

HF: Koops (Grigg) Davidson (Polak) Vezpremi (McMahon)

F: Rawlings (Thomson) Hall (Chaplin) Welsh (M. Graham)

R: Hudson (Simonds) Akermanis (Cousins) Lower (Houli)

Int: Street, Baird, Barlow, Young, Veale, Moles, Bassett
Int: Maric, Knobel, P. Bowden, Marsh, Stephensen, Fletcher, Humm, Collard, Cartledge

[comrade]

Carey vs Jakovich has nothing on MacDougall vs Miller.

[Remi Moses]

Didn't Brisbane get a pick in the 30's for Aker?
Pretty sure they picked up Chris Schmidt ( ended up
In Adelaide, still plays SANFL)
Mundy for effectively for Koops!
Peter Rohde cheap as chips nearly killed us.

[jeemak]

As bad as Peter Rhode was, have we not learned that recruitment and list management if done well or poorly is a club issue and not just a coach issue?

Good clubs have good people and good structures to counter balance the actions of individuals. We haven't had that until seemingly recent times.

Only time will tell if the latter assertion is true, however.

[Remi Moses]

As bad as Peter Rhode was, have we not learned that recruitment and list management if done well or poorly is a club issue and not just a coach issue?

Good clubs have good people and good structures to counter balance the actions of individuals. We haven't had that until seemingly recent times.

Only time will tell if the latter assertion is true, however.

Would have been Rohde's call to bring in Koops, Street, Morgan Bassett( connection at Norwood) . He has to apportion some blame for those disasters.

[bulldogtragic]

Didn't Brisbane get a pick in the 30's for Aker?
Pretty sure they picked up Chris Schmidt ( ended up
In Adelaide, still plays SANFL)
Mundy for effectively for Koops!
Peter Rohde cheap as chips nearly killed us.
We traded down our 2nd round pick on Doogs, then used the lower pick on Aker.

[Twodogs]

We traded down our 2nd round pick on Doogs, then used the lower pick on Aker.


That's right. We had an agreement with the Lions to give them a 2nd round pick for Aka then downgraded that pick in the swap for McDougall.


From Wikipedia:


"On day four of the 2006 Trade Week, a deal was struck between the Western Bulldogs and West Coast. The Eagles received the Western Bulldogs' second and fourth round draft picks in exchange for McDougall, and the Eagles owned second and fourth round picks. Before the 2007 season commenced, Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade said the additions of new recruits Andrew McDougall and Jason Akermanis would make the team genuine premiership chances over the next three years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_McDougall

[jeemak]

Would have been Rohde's call to bring in Koops, Street, Morgan Bassett( connection at Norwood) . He has to apportion some blame for those disasters.

I don't disagree. Just pointing out that a club which lets a Rhode (or any coach for that matter) piss draft picks up against the wall on poor trades isn't managed well.

[Happy Days]

Would have been Rohde's call to bring in Koops, Street, Morgan Bassett( connection at Norwood) . He has to apportion some blame for those disasters.

Scott Bassett actually helped educate a young HD on why defense in footy is so important by deciding to apply none of it to Richo one day at the MCG, so I'll always have time for him.

[bornadog]

I don't disagree. Just pointing out that a club which lets a Rhode (or any coach for that matter) piss draft picks up against the wall on poor trades isn't managed well.

The recruitment manager has the last say.

[Greystache]

The recruitment manager has the last say.

Which makes it confusing why everyone always blames Rohde for those failed deals.

[bornadog]

Which makes it confusing why everyone always blames Rohde for those failed deals.

I mentioned on another thread, that Macca said (on 774 last Saturday) the recruitment manager starts the process, the coaches have some input, but the recruitment manager has the final say otherwise he is not doing his job. This is exactly what Rocket use to say. Not sure how it worked under Rhode and Wallace, but presume the same.

[Bulldog Joe]

Cheers BT.


Yeahs. The Brown picks debacle. We must have swaggered into trade week like drunken sailors waving draft picks around. Wie gave away pick 20 for Peter Street. Geelong were about to delist hiim.

The worst part of that decision was that Ben Hudson was playing under our nose at Werribee and we let Adelaide draft him at pick 58.

Having said that Streety was serviceable and was an important player in 2006.
Minson was on the list and looking liklely but suffered a broken leg in 2006.

[Twodogs]

The worst part of that decision was that Ben Hudson was playing under our nose at Werribee and we let Adelaide draft him at pick 58.

Having said that Streety was serviceable and was an important player in 2006.
Minson was on the list and looking liklely but suffered a broken leg in 2006.

The story goes that Luke Darcy during contract negotiations demanding we get another ruck an on the list and was holding off signing until we traded one in . That's why we were so desperate for a ruck man who'd played at AFL level. Geelong knew it and bent us over for Street.

[Remi Moses]

I don't disagree. Just pointing out that a club which lets a Rhode (or any coach for that matter) piss draft picks up against the wall on poor trades isn't managed well.

Very much so. Just not sure how much say Clayton would have had.

[Cyberdoggie]

Article on the AFL website just up says Essendon are extremely optimistic about re-signing Bellchambers, but then it also says:

"Obviously Tom Bellchambers is out of contract and I am extremely optimistic that we can get that one done," Dodoro told essendonfc.com.au.

"We are not far away at all in talking with his management."


Perhaps that is taken out of context but if you haven't talked to his management then why would you be extremely confident?. Odd.


Anyway it also talks about Crameri:

List manager Adrian Dodoro said Crameri was mulling over "a monster offer" from
another club.
The Western Bulldogs have tabled a four-year contract worth up to $1.8 million for the Bombers' leading goalkicker.

Crameri is likely to make a decision within the next few weeks.

"Stew Crameri has indicated all the way through that he would prefer to stay with us and we have offered him a three-year deal," Dodoro said.

"We have increased our offer but he does have a monster offer put in front of him from a rival club.

"We need to respect that and he needs to make a decision."

[Maddog37]

I read that article in the context of after talking to his management they are close to a deal.