Crameri

[Bulldog4life]

I think Essendon have to look back to the standoff between Port and North for Ben Jacobs. In the end Port lost out because they refused the deal that North offered.

Also another instance is the Saints with Luke Ball going to Collingwood for zilch.

[GVGjr]

Also another instance is the Saints with Luke Ball going to Collingwood for zilch.

Yep, there is enough examples to hopefully highlight to Essendon that they need to understand that being reasonable with the Crameri departure is best for everyone.
If they value Crameri so highly then they should have offered more. If they can't offer more it's because they got Goddard for nothing as a FA last year but it's taken a decent chunk out of their salary cap.

[Hot_Doggies]

I think Essendon have to look back to the standoff between Port and North for Ben Jacobs. In the end Port lost out because they refused the deal that North offered.

North lost also , using a highish pick on Ben Jacobs.

[G-Mo77]

North lost also , using a highish pick on Ben Jacobs.

Not really, I believe they offered that to Port anyway.

[Scraggers]

With Essendone losing their first and second round picks, they're not in a position to negotiate too hard. Pick 22 is overs but I am willing to part with it to secure him.

I would prefer we use pick 4 to secure a kid, then swap our second round pick with GWS third round to get Patton. The early third round pick is Essendone's for Crameri if they want it. Otherwise the PSD. (But don't think this will happen)

[chef]

With Essendone losing their first and second round picks, they're not in a position to negotiate too hard. Pick 22 is overs but I am willing to part with it to secure him.

I would prefer we use pick 4 to secure a kid, then swap our second round pick with GWS third round to get Patton. The early third round pick is Essendone's for Crameri if they want it. Otherwise the PSD. (But don't think this will happen)

GWS would lol.

They would want pick 4 and then some for Patton.

[Eastdog]

With Essendone losing their first and second round picks, they're not in a position to negotiate too hard. Pick 22 is overs but I am willing to part with it to secure him.

I would prefer we use pick 4 to secure a kid, then swap our second round pick with GWS third round to get Patton. The early third round pick is Essendone's for Crameri if they want it. Otherwise the PSD. (But don't think this will happen)

If we can get Patton that would be great. Huge raps on the kid.

[GVGjr]

North lost also , using a highish pick on Ben Jacobs.

Pick 37 is the one they offered and they one they used. Decent pick

[LostDoggy]

With all the goings on today with Franklin, we still need to stay firm with 22 for Crameri. IF we lose him for a higher bid or via the PSD so be it. He is not the sort of player we need to sell our soul for at this stage in our rebuild.

[always right]

I think many are under-rating what Crameri could bring to our side...not just what he can do individually but the knock-on benefit for others in our forwardline. I want him.

[LostDoggy]

I think many are under-rating what Crameri could bring to our side...not just what he can do individually but the knock-on benefit for others in our forwardline. I want him.

GWS could use another forward.

[always right]

I don't know Crameri but I would be surprised if he was attracted by another club after committing to us...even if the coin was much larger.

[bulldogtragic]

I don't know Crameri but I would be surprised if he was attracted by another club after committing to us...even if the coin was much larger.
Nick Stevens.

Doesn't need to be another club, just pricks at the existing one.

[JohnGentStand]

I would love to see the deal done early. Perhaps if we sweeten the Bombres offer with a few Baltic states? Some moon real estate? Magic beans? Sea Monkeys? Whatever, just as long as it is worthless and the Pep-smear think they are screwing us for it should suffice.

[comrade]

Apparently Crammers didn't show at Essendon's B&F tonight. It's causing an uproar amongst the egomaniacal Bombers fans online.

They can't fathom being snubbed for the lowly Bulldogs :D

[Remi Moses]

I would love to see the deal done early. Perhaps if we sweeten the Bombres offer with a few Baltic states? Some moon real estate? Magic beans? Sea Monkeys? Whatever, just as long as it is worthless and the Pep-smear think they are screwing us for it should suffice.

I wouldn't sell them a Virus.
Sorry to paraphrase Sir Alex Ferguson

[ratsmac]

I wouldn't sell them a Virus.
Sorry to paraphrase Sir Alex Ferguson

I would, preferably the Ebola variety.

[LostDoggy]

Apparently Crammers didn't show at Essendon's B&F tonight. It's causing an uproar amongst the egomaniacal Bombers fans online.

They can't fathom being snubbed for the lowly Bulldogs :D

I'd have loved to have seen that.

Voice over: "picking up the award tonight for Crameri is TV actor Troy McClure"

[Ozza]

Apparently Crammers didn't show at Essendon's B&F tonight. It's causing an uproar amongst the egomaniacal Bombers fans online.

They can't fathom being snubbed for the lowly Bulldogs :D

...and he won the Goalkicking award.

[bulldogtragic]

Apparently Crammers didn't show at Essendon's B&F tonight. It's causing an uproar amongst the egomaniacal Bombers fans online.

They can't fathom being snubbed for the lowly Bulldogs :D
I guess he's not going back now :)

[KT31]

I'd have loved to have seen that.

Voice over: "picking up the award tonight for Crameri is TV actor Troy McClure"

You might remember me from…..….such educational films as “AOD-9604: An Injection a Day Keeps the Fat Away,” and “The Jerk - playing James Hird!”:D

[Maddog37]

We really, really need a like button!!

[Eastdog]

We really, really need a like button!!

Agree.

[LostDoggy]

Apparently Crammers didn't show at Essendon's B&F tonight. It's causing an uproar amongst the egomaniacal Bombers fans online.

They can't fathom being snubbed for the lowly Bulldogs :D

:D They actually can't, I've spoken to a few bombers and they can't see why he would want to come to us.

"Footscray of all clubs?" They truly believe we are a nothing club with a rubbish jumper.

I can't wait to play them and absolutely smash them and Crammers kicks 10.

Please, please let him walk to us for nothing. It would be priceless.

[Scorlibo]

Please, please let him walk to us for nothing. It would be priceless.

Pun intended?

[Happy Days]

Anyone else think that not showing up to the B&F is kind of dickish?

[Bulldog4life]

Anyone else think that not showing up to the B&F is kind of dickish?

No. Who wants to get booed off stage.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Anyone else think that not showing up to the B&F is kind of dickish?

Its a bit strange. I did hear rumours that his team mates were quite upset with him leaving but i thought that was BS. Think its more to do with the club being dickish rather than the player

[LostDoggy]

Anyone else think that not showing up to the B&F is kind of dickish?

Not at all. We dont know what has happened behind he scenes at Bombreland. He may be so disillusioned with the place he wants out now and to wipe the slate clean as soon as possible.

[bulldogtragic]

Anyone else think that not showing up to the B&F is kind of dickish?
Not sure. There's something behind it though. Maybe he thought they make an issue with him or he was told they would make life difficult. Not sure. If there was no good reason, well that's a different story.

[Ozza]

It depends on what terms he has left - how the club reacted to him leaving.
Doesn't appear that Essendon reacted to kindly to the news and his departure was pretty abrupt as a result.

[LostDoggy]

Perhaps he took the fact he may have been injected with unknown substances a little to heart?

[Greystache]

The concept of Essendon having a Best & Fairest is a bit ridiculous. James Hird attending makes it even more pathetic.

[Scorlibo]

Crameri has been a really good club person for the Bombers - he and his family love the club and it took a lot of persuasion to get him to leave. Given this, I find it hard to believe that he's being given such a rough time by the Bombers. They're allowed to be disappointed but to come out and say immediately that 'he won't be traded under any circumstances' is completely absurd and patronising for Stewart.

[Remi Moses]

Oh The Irony.
Bomber makes a big speech about loyality and flags over money
( not so thinly veiled swipe at Crameri)
Then talks about free agency working ( sites Lake as an example )
Pretty sure he was traded Bomber!
Clearly AOD's lead to short term memory loss.
Brendan Goddard ring any bells Bomber!!

[Twodogs]

Bomba seems to have accidently drunk some of Hirdy's erection medicine and it's affected his short term memory. Or he really does think that Goddard made the swap to Windy Hill to play in a premiership and not because he got a huge pay increase.


What a shit bloke.

[stefoid]

No, youre completely missing the point of his speech. The moral of his story is:

Disloyalty is fine as long as you are chasing individual success.

[westdog54]

Seriously can't believe how bitter Essendon is getting over this. It smacks of a 'Nobody says no to us' attitude. They can't quite fathom that someone would rather be somewhere else.

[1eyedog]

Anyone else think that not showing up to the B&F is kind of dickish?

Didn't Michael Rischitelli(sp?) attend and win a very uncomfortable Brisbane Lions BF prior to leaving?

[1eyedog]

Crameri has been a really good club person for the Bombers - he and his family love the club and it took a lot of persuasion to get him to leave. Given this, I find it hard to believe that he's being given such a rough time by the Bombers. They're allowed to be disappointed but to come out and say immediately that 'he won't be traded under any circumstances' is completely absurd and patronising for Stewart.

I agree - it just doesn't make any sense. Do they actually believe that it can be a harmonious relationship if they force him to stay by not agreeing to a trade?

They are obviously trying to increase his value and letting the Dogs know that he is required so you better come to the table big time.

[Greystache]

Bomba seems to have accidently drunk some of Hirdy's erection medicine and it's affected his short term memory. Or he really does think that Goddard made the swap to Windy Hill to play in a premiership and not because he got a huge pay increase.


What a shit bloke.

Gold :D

[azabob]

Anyone else think that not showing up to the B&F is kind of dickish?

Franklin is likely NOT to attend Hawthorn's B&F.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Its a bit strange. I did hear rumours that his team mates were quite upset with him leaving but i thought that was BS. Think its more to do with the club being dickish rather than the player

My professional development tells me that people who have an overdeveloped self esteem (as in the yanks, kids get awards for everything) when their sense of themselves is challenged by reality, can't handle it. Psycho's who commit mass murders at schools etc were originally thought to have low self esteem but it's more often too high self esteem and they go beserk when it is challenged...a la Essendon who have developed a culture (along with the other big clubs) of bloating the importance of their club. When its challenged by someone pointing out that you can't use illegal drugs, they go troppo, can't handle the notion that they're not this all important entity that they have bloated themselves to be. So they shoot the messenger.
Bomberland may well be an ugly place to be atm, maybe that's why Crameri didn't go to the awards.

[LostDoggy]

It sounds aweful. I just can't believe Bomber included that in his speech. What a fool. No wonder Ablett had, had enough. There's the beginnings of a pattern there..

[F'scary]

You might remember me from…..….such educational films as “AOD-9604: An Injection a Day Keeps the Fat Away,” and “The Jerk - playing James Hird!”:D

Quality :D:D:D

[F'scary]

Bomba seems to have accidently drunk some of Hirdy's erection medicine and it's affected his short term memory. Or he really does think that Goddard made the swap to Windy Hill to play in a premiership and not because he got a huge pay increase.


What a shit bloke.

Whatever it takes! In his case, laxettes.

[Dry Rot]

Oh The Irony.
Bomber makes a big speech about loyality and flags over money
( not so thinly veiled swipe at Crameri)
Then talks about free agency working ( sites Lake as an example )
Pretty sure he was traded Bomber!
Clearly AOD's lead to short term memory loss.
Brendan Goddard ring any bells Bomber!!

Saints and Cats fans must be laughing at this.

[LostDoggy]

Not sure whether it's been mentioned at all. The conversations have either been pick 22 or PSD, but how about if the club does go down the pick 22 pathway we exchange our 22 for their third round (first pick after the sanctions) to get at least another pick in the top fifty?

[always right]

Not sure whether it's been mentioned at all. The conversations have either been pick 22 or PSD, but how about if the club does go down the pick 22 pathway we exchange our 22 for their third round (first pick after the sanctions) to get at least another pick in the top fifty?

Do you mean we give them pick 22 and they give us Crameri and their third round pick?

[LostDoggy]

Do you mean we give them pick 22 and they give us Crameri and their third round pick?

Yep, just another angle on it. If they're set on p 22, then lets say 'that's nice, we'll have your 3rd rd a part if the deal.

[always right]

Yep, just another angle on it. If they're set on p 22, then lets say 'that's nice, we'll have your 3rd rd a part if the deal.

No-one except Essendon would be unhappy with that.

[ratsmac]

Yep, just another angle on it. If they're set on p 22, then lets say 'that's nice, we'll have your 3rd rd a part if the deal.

Considering that they want more than pick 22 for Stu as it is, this outcome would be very doubtful from their behalf. It would be good for us though.

[Reigning Maddogs]

Not sure whether it's been mentioned at all. The conversations have either been pick 22 or PSD, but how about if the club does go down the pick 22 pathway we exchange our 22 for their third round (first pick after the sanctions) to get at least another pick in the top fifty?

Personally I think pick 22 is overs in these circumstances. Still too much water to go under the bridge with the ASADA investigation which means that we would be potentially trading pick 22 for NIL impact for 2 years. There are no mechanisims withing the AFL anti doping code that provides consideration for traded players who receive infraction notices after changin clubs ie Monfries and potentially Crameri. Clubs are protect from a $$$ perspective but not a trade perspective

From all reports the draft is pretty consistent from 5-30 with it dropping away sharply after that. We need to keep our 1st 2 picks in this draft and make sure we nail these picks as we did last year. Keep building our list from within, if we miss Crameri and he doesn't make it through to us in the PSD then so be it, nothing lost.

Whilst the only Dog related media has been about Crameri and the lack of a key forward, my view is that we need to improve our backline as the priorty. Premierships are won on defence which we still significantly lack with some likely changes of key personell ie Murph & Morris in coming years need to be urgently addressed. Our forward line on the other hand improved out of sight in the final 8 rounds of the year. Players like Grant, Campbell & Dickson really provided the improvement in these later rounds.

In summary Crameri is a nice to have, we shouldn't sell the farm to get him over the line. Happy to pay the $$$ contract wise but not pick 22. $$$ wise Dogs are protected, trade wise we are not.

[Larunda]

Taken from Bomberblitz- a reminder of what you are getting.

But I feel it should be pointed out that whilst I "get" the whole loyalty , we gave him a chance angle, that also goes the other way. Everyone is familiar with the riding the bike to training stuff. But the kid was overlooked at U18 level by the Rebels because he wasn't in the "in" crowd. Then he plugged away in a very poor period at Bendigo, building his game and impressing many around the club. Was invited down to Essendon for a preseason, moved to Melbourne, hopes were high and instead we rookied Klempke, Scanlon and German. Seriously, wtf? Went home, did some soul searching, returned for another stint at Bendigo, battled disillusionment - at one stage playing for Bendigo reserves! If you thought Hickmotts winless season as coach was tough, you should have seen a level down!! Fought through, back into the seniors, took on some self-improvement measures, invited down again. IIRC, did extra gym work in keilor whilst boarding at some shithole, and finally grabbed a rookie spot after the previous crop all got axed before the season had ended. Managed a couple of afl games late that year, and then dominated Hurley in contested duels that next preseason, prompting McCartney to demand he be part of the forward line. The rest is public knowledge.

So yeah, whilst "we Essendon gave him his chance", he also did the hard yards that many others don't have too to force that "chance". The rookie list kids often tread paths unknown to the more fancied recruits, and so I wouldnt throw them automatically into the "they owe us" wagon.


Please don't underestimate him Bulldogs.

[KT31]

Taken from Bomberblitz- a reminder of what you are getting.

But I feel it should be pointed out that whilst I "get" the whole loyalty , we gave him a chance angle, that also goes the other way. Everyone is familiar with the riding the bike to training stuff. But the kid was overlooked at U18 level by the Rebels because he wasn't in the "in" crowd. Then he plugged away in a very poor period at Bendigo, building his game and impressing many around the club. Was invited down to Essendon for a preseason, moved to Melbourne, hopes were high and instead we rookied Klempke, Scanlon and German. Seriously, wtf? Went home, did some soul searching, returned for another stint at Bendigo, battled disillusionment - at one stage playing for Bendigo reserves! If you thought Hickmotts winless season as coach was tough, you should have seen a level down!! Fought through, back into the seniors, took on some self-improvement measures, invited down again. IIRC, did extra gym work in keilor whilst boarding at some shithole, and finally grabbed a rookie spot after the previous crop all got axed before the season had ended. Managed a couple of afl games late that year, and then dominated Hurley in contested duels that next preseason, prompting McCartney to demand he be part of the forward line. The rest is public knowledge.

So yeah, whilst "we Essendon gave him his chance", he also did the hard yards that many others don't have too to force that "chance". The rookie list kids often tread paths unknown to the more fancied recruits, and so I wouldnt throw them automatically into the "they owe us" wagon.


Please don't underestimate him Bulldogs.

We won't and from what I have experienced its rare to find a Bomber supportor this level headed.

[Remi Moses]

Certainly not underestimated by most Dog Fans.
I guess the annoyance is Essendon's posturing on Crameri. The whole " we're not trading him" attitude immediately gets the player and the clubs back up. Pick 22 is a very reasonable trade, and if Essendon don't think that they are living in Fairy land
Watching him play this season he looked a tad to heavy and looked like he was carrying that ankle for a large portion of the season.

[EasternWest]

:D They actually can't, I've spoken to a few bombers and they can't see why he would want to come to us.

"Footscray of all clubs?" They truly believe we are a nothing club with a rubbish jumper.

I can't wait to play them and absolutely smash them and Crammers kicks 10.

Please, please let him walk to us for nothing. It would be priceless.

I can understand, given our complete lack of Premiership success for so long the attitude that we're a rubbish club. I don't care for it, but I don't care about it either.

But our jumper? Our jumper is awesome. Honestly, I think it's close to the best looking one in the league.


Taken from Bomberblitz- a reminder of what you are getting.

But I feel it should be pointed out that whilst I "get" the whole loyalty , we gave him a chance angle, that also goes the other way. Everyone is familiar with the riding the bike to training stuff. But the kid was overlooked at U18 level by the Rebels because he wasn't in the "in" crowd. Then he plugged away in a very poor period at Bendigo, building his game and impressing many around the club. Was invited down to Essendon for a preseason, moved to Melbourne, hopes were high and instead we rookied Klempke, Scanlon and German. Seriously, wtf? Went home, did some soul searching, returned for another stint at Bendigo, battled disillusionment - at one stage playing for Bendigo reserves! If you thought Hickmotts winless season as coach was tough, you should have seen a level down!! Fought through, back into the seniors, took on some self-improvement measures, invited down again. IIRC, did extra gym work in keilor whilst boarding at some shithole, and finally grabbed a rookie spot after the previous crop all got axed before the season had ended. Managed a couple of afl games late that year, and then dominated Hurley in contested duels that next preseason, prompting McCartney to demand he be part of the forward line. The rest is public knowledge.

So yeah, whilst "we Essendon gave him his chance", he also did the hard yards that many others don't have too to force that "chance". The rookie list kids often tread paths unknown to the more fancied recruits, and so I wouldnt throw them automatically into the "they owe us" wagon.


Please don't underestimate him Bulldogs.

That's a really good post.

Guys who get their chance via the rookie list only get on rookie lists because they bust their hump. I hope we get him. If that's his true work ethic, if nothing else he's going to be a professional.

[OLD SCRAGGer]

At what point of Trade week (3 weeks) does everyone expect the Crameri deal to be done?

[chef]

At what point of Trade week (3 weeks) does everyone expect the Crameri deal to be done?

Early first week for me.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Wednesday or Thursday would be my guess.

[bulldogtragic]

Not done.

[Topdog]

Last few days if done at all. Essendon are stubborn.

[Ghost Dog]

Grow up FFS Essendon. Players are not slaves and have the right to move around. If they punish him by making him go to the draft it will be a very bad look for them.

[GVGjr]

Grow up FFS Essendon. Players are not slaves and have the right to move around. If they punish him by making him go to the draft it will be a very bad look for them.


They have a major problem though, they don't give a rats about the public's perception of them.

[mighty_west]

One of the journalists tweeted last week that the deal will most likely be done pretty early, whether or not he has inside info or not, but I couldn't see the Bombers playing too hardball given their situation in this draft.

[Larunda]

So Crameri top two in sprints and long distance running at Essendon, one of the best in the gym .
Macca wants him as role model to lift feeling about training.
This is where Essendon erred, they did not see him as a role model, only used him as decoy duck.
Also loves the media and will do lots of promo work.

Not long now. has any one got any got a scarf for me.

[azabob]

So Crameri top two in sprints and long distance running at Essendon, one of the best in the gym .
Macca wants him as role model to lift feeling about training.
This is where Essendon erred, they did not see him as a role model, only used him as decoy duck.
Also loves the media and will do lots of promo work.

Not long now. has any one got any got a scarf for me.

Howdy, are you a former bomber fan and have crossed because of Crameri?

[F'scary]

Taken from Bomberblitz- a reminder of what you are getting.

But I feel it should be pointed out that whilst I "get" the whole loyalty , we gave him a chance angle, that also goes the other way. Everyone is familiar with the riding the bike to training stuff. But the kid was overlooked at U18 level by the Rebels because he wasn't in the "in" crowd. Then he plugged away in a very poor period at Bendigo, building his game and impressing many around the club. Was invited down to Essendon for a preseason, moved to Melbourne, hopes were high and instead we rookied Klempke, Scanlon and German. Seriously, wtf? Went home, did some soul searching, returned for another stint at Bendigo, battled disillusionment - at one stage playing for Bendigo reserves! If you thought Hickmotts winless season as coach was tough, you should have seen a level down!! Fought through, back into the seniors, took on some self-improvement measures, invited down again. IIRC, did extra gym work in keilor whilst boarding at some shithole, and finally grabbed a rookie spot after the previous crop all got axed before the season had ended. Managed a couple of afl games late that year, and then dominated Hurley in contested duels that next preseason, prompting McCartney to demand he be part of the forward line. The rest is public knowledge.

So yeah, whilst "we Essendon gave him his chance", he also did the hard yards that many others don't have too to force that "chance". The rookie list kids often tread paths unknown to the more fancied recruits, and so I wouldnt throw them automatically into the "they owe us" wagon.


Please don't underestimate him Bulldogs.

Awesome backgrounding. Thanks! :)

[Larunda]

Yes, we follow him.
Crameri father and Stringer father friends and played basketball together for years.
Macca asked Stew which number he wanted and he asked to be next to Stringer.
Maccas brother Tony used to coach Stewart at Maryborough.
Macca always bought the best out of him, Bombers could not tap into this the way Macca did.

[azabob]

Yes, we follow him.
Crameri father and Skinner father friends and played basketball together for years.
Macca asked Stew which number he wanted and he asked to be next to Stringer.
Maccas brother Tony used to coach Stewart at Maryborough.
Macca always bought the best out of him, Bombers could not tap into this the way Macca did.

Thanks for the insights, and welcome aboard.

[chef]

Yes, we follow him.
Crameri father and Skinner father friends and played basketball together for years.
Macca asked Stew which number he wanted and he asked to be next to Stringer.
Maccas brother Tony used to coach Stewart at Maryborough.
Macca always bought the best out of him, Bombers could not tap into this the way Macca did.

Skinner or Stringer?

[Larunda]

Stringer - sorry first post edited.

[chef]

Stringer - sorry first post edited.

Cool I thought that's what you meant.

welcome aboard mate.

[Scorlibo]

So Crameri top two in sprints and long distance running at Essendon, one of the best in the gym .
Macca wants him as role model to lift feeling about training.
This is where Essendon erred, they did not see him as a role model, only used him as decoy duck.
Also loves the media and will do lots of promo work.

Not long now. has any one got any got a scarf for me.

Welcome aboard Larunda, is your username a reference to Greek mythology?

You must be fairly close to Stewie to change clubs with him.

At the Bulldogs, we're a small club but a proud one. We have good people running the club and I'm sure Crammers will fit in nicely. I can see he and Jakey Stringer becoming a very damaging duo in the years to come.

[boydogs]

Great insights Larunda, thanks very much.

[ratsmac]

Welcome aboard Larunda, is your username a reference to Greek mythology?

You must be fairly close to Stewie to change clubs with him.

At the Bulldogs, we're a small club but a proud one. We have good people running the club and I'm sure Crammers will fit in nicely. I can see he and Jakey Stringer becoming a very damaging duo in the years to come.

Just that thought alone makes me excited about 2014

Yeah thanks for the insight into Macca and Stuart's relationship. They are closer than I thought.

[jeemak]

Thanks for the insight.

My excitement is much like Mofra's postings since it became evident we might secure Crameri. With him coming on, we're not going to have a mosquito fleet forward line, rather we'll have 3 guys all around 190-193cm who are clever and mobile, supplemented by Jones and Campbell who are around 197 and 200cm respectively. That's a seriously difficult prospect to match up on as a defensive six.

[The Doctor]

Thanks Larunda

One of the most insightful posts I've read in many years

[F'scary]

Yes, we follow him.
Crameri father and Stringer father friends and played basketball together for years.
Macca asked Stew which number he wanted and he asked to be next to Stringer.
Maccas brother Tony used to coach Stewart at Maryborough.
Macca always bought the best out of him, Bombers could not tap into this the way Macca did.

Well, number 8 is free right now.

[josie]

Hi Larunda,

Thank You for insightful posts. You've made me quite excited about (hopefully) seeing Crameri in Doggies colours in 2014.

Are you from Bendigo region? Lovely part of Vic. I recall there is a Bendigo Doggies Friends Group, or at least there was a few years ago.

Hoping there are no problems with ASADA regarding potential infraction notices, although I recall reading somewhere it looks like rumour has it that it is likely only the coaches and perhaps a few players that might receive them.

[Larunda]

Thanks for the nice welcome

Yes- Larunda Greek Mythology- the woman who could not keep secrets -ha ha
No worries with ASADA- private PM for me clarification on that.
All those around Stew are pleased for the move and look forward to coming to club.
Stew's ability to train hard will lift the whole vibe.

[Ghost Dog]

They have a major problem though, they don't give a rats about the public's perception of them.

What about the perception of players? Would it make some players think twice about dealing with the club? Players who have given fair service to their club for longish periods should be treated with respect.

[KT31]

What about the perception of players? Would it make some players think twice about dealing with the club? Players who have given fair service to their club for longish periods should be treated with respect.

Agree, its not only the publics perception that is an issue, the main issue will be when they are chasing potential coaches, staff and players, would not be many that would not have to think secondly about signing with them.
Eventually it will all come back to haunt them.

[Remi Moses]

Apparently Wallace and I think Frawley have removed themselves from the coaching appointment panel!

[Remi Moses]

Thanks for the nice welcome

Yes- Larunda Greek Mythology- the woman who could not keep secrets -ha ha
No worries with ASADA- private PM for me clarification on that.
All those around Stew are pleased for the move and look forward to coming to club.
Stew's ability to train hard will lift the whole vibe.

How long did he have that ankle issue?
Thanks for your input

[EasternWest]

Yes- Larunda Greek Mythology- the woman who could not keep secrets -ha ha


Better that than Cassandra!

[Bulldog4life]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-07/crameri-to-dogs-far-from-done


THE WESTERN Bulldogs and Essendon are still a long way off getting Bombers forward Stewart Crameri to Whitten Oval.

The Bulldogs have offered Crameri a four-year deal believed to be worth up to $1.8 million, but getting a trade done may be more difficult than first thought.

Speaking on AFL.com.au's Gillette Trade Radio, Bulldogs list manager Jason McCartney said there was still a "fair bit of work to go" yet.

Click here for all the latest trade news as it happens

"We're pretty set on the level we're at and obviously Essendon is trying to get the best deal for their footy club," McCartney said.

"I understand and appreciate both parties are trying to do the best thing for their club.

"We've got three weeks. Hopefully it doesn't take that long."

McCartney hinted the Bulldogs had offered their second round NAB AFL Draft pick, number 22 overall.

Crameri – the Bombers' leading goalkicker for the past three years - has a close relationship with Bulldogs coach Brendan McCartney, who was his forward line coach in 2011.

As an out-of-contract player he can walk into the pre-season draft.

Crameri has played 57 games for the Bombers and kicked 96 goals after coming into the AFL as a rookie selection.

Jason McCartney said there was little chance the Bulldogs would attempt a trade with Greater Western Sydney that would land them the rights to select Tom Boyd with the No.1 draft pick.

He also said, despite the rumours, they had not spoken with Jonathon Patton's management about a possible trade.

"We don't want to be a club that's overly active in this period to be honest," he said.

[Ghost Dog]

Thanks for posting that article. Very happy to hear we won't be active in the trade period. If we trade any of our players I'll be gutted - I thought things were just starting to click.

[ReLoad]

Tell the bombers to get stuffed, the PSD is the way to go.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Tell the bombers to get stuffed, the PSD is the way to go.

Best case scenario for sure.

Pick 4, 22 and Crameri in the PSD. Nice.

[bulldogtragic]

If Mumford goes PSD, and Melbourne won't have the cap room, it's just St Kilda we have to weigh up.

[mighty_west]

Are we certain that the Dogs are or have been offering pick 22? What's to say we are telling them our third round pick for Crameri is the best we can do knowing we hold the cards with a chance of picking him up for ziltch in the psd.

[Greystache]

Are we certain that the Dogs are or have been offering pick 22? What's to say we are telling them our third round pick for Crameri is the best we can do knowing we hold the cards with a chance of picking him up for ziltch in the psd.

J Mac alluded on the draft radio we've offered pick #22 (or whatever it ends up being)

[azabob]

Thanks for posting that article. Very happy to hear we won't be active in the trade period. If we trade any of our players I'll be gutted - I thought things were just starting to click.

I guess what you also need to consider GD is that you never know what opportunities can pop up during trade week. Especially now it goes for 3 weeks!

[always right]

J Mac alluded on the draft radio we've offered pick #22 (or whatever it ends up being)

I'm not sure he did. The reporter put it to him that pick 22 was on the table but JMac was pretty vague in his response. I wouldn't construe the statement "could be....you're telling the story" as anything to hang your hat on.

[Hotdog60]

I'm not sure he did. The reporter put it to him that we had put pick 22 on the table but JMac was pretty vague in his response.

I heard that too very politician of him. Maybe we go in with a third round and play hard ball and at the last minute come back with 22.

[bulldogsman]

Just heard on Triple M that Essendon don't want to trade with us, so they are shopping Crameri around to a few other clubs.

[westdog54]

Just heard on Triple M that Essendon don't want to trade with us, so they are shopping Crameri around to a few other clubs.

To what end?

He's declared his intention to play with the Bulldogs, what are they hoping to acheive by this?

Said it before, say it again, utter petulance.

[stefoid]

ha ha ha, are they going to truss him up like a pig and deliver him in a crate?

PSD here he comes.

[Greystache]

Just heard on Triple M that Essendon don't want to trade with us, so they are shopping Crameri around to a few other clubs.

That should go well for them. Crameri's already left Essendon, didn't attend their B&F, and has agreed to terms with us.

It's basically like trying to haggle for a better price when selling a car you don't even own :rolleyes:

[bulldogtragic]

To what end?

He's declared his intention to play with the Bulldogs, what are they hoping to acheive by this?

Said it before, say it again, utter petulance.
PSD.

Tell them to FO. Let them find another way of trading for Del Tagna.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Just heard on Triple M that Essendon don't want to trade with us, so they are shopping Crameri around to a few other clubs.

How sweet would it be to grab him for nothing in the psd.

[JohnGentStand]

They will drag it out til the very end. Ever since the 1994 swindle - Todd Ridley, Tony Delaney, Dale Kickett and Russell Williams to Fremantle for Matthew Lloyd and pick four (Scott Lucas) ,
the Bombres have believed they are they trading gurus. And pretty much since then they have been putrid to deal with. We must remain staunch in our convictions . I am pretty sure 'staunch' is now in good supply @ the kennel.

[Remi Moses]

Complete posturing on their behalf.
They're the masters at smoke and mirrors, as they've been practicing since February.

[Topdog]

We should remove any offer that we have on the table.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I would be very disappointed if we ended up giving Essendon pick 22 for Crameri now. I can't see how its in our interest and how do they warrant it after not accepting the offer? PSD please.

[WBFC4FFC]

Totally Agree!

[Scraggers]

If they won't accept the 2nd round pick, offer our 3rd round pick ... that would pick 40(ish)????

They're not really in a position to bargin ... No picks in the first two rounds and he has walked !!

[Remi Moses]

Some of their supporters on Big Footy are hilarious .
Apparently as a business they should operate accordingly.
Gee what business treats their employees with such negligence?

[LostDoggy]

Today couldn't have gone better if you ask me. All they're doing is trying to make us nervous. Would love for JMac to take the offer off the table as soon as possible. Crameri only wants to play for us and after reading about his connection to BMac and Stringer that's not about to change. We'll get him for nothing in the PSD and an old rivalry is well and truly alight again. Can't wait for next season already.

[Bulldog4life]

Mark Stevens on 7 news tonight said Hawthorn & GWS are circling...his words... Cameri.

[bulldogtragic]

Mark Stevens on 7 news tonight said Hawthorn & GWS are circling...his words... Cameri.
So be it.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

So be it.

not good for the PSD option

[Greystache]

not good for the PSD option

GWS have already committed to Mumford, I don't see them being an issue.

[bulldogtragic]

not good for the PSD option
Well it is what it is. If GWS trade for Mumford then they are free to use pick 1 PSD on him. We just have to engineer the highest possible price on his head to get him to us. If GWS can offer $600,000 a year, then so be it, wasn't meant to be. 22 is most fair, this is all designed to make us shit ourselves and fold.

Sometimes it's an easy trade, sometimes its Nick Stevens, sometimes Lake, sometimes Tippett. Or Jonathon Hay.... Just don't pay overs with picks/players.

[Ghost Dog]

Is there a precedent for a player just refusing to talk to other clubs? Let go into the system by a spiteful club, knows where they want to go, makes it really clear what they want and simply refuses to talk to other suitors. Is this something anyone has done before?

What can anyone do about it if a player simply won't pick up the phone?

It will be good to have a good leader like him. I won't be overly concerned if we don't get him at 22 which is overs, but I hate the fact that Essendon wan't more than this. Which planet are they on?

[bulldogtragic]

Is there a precedent for a player just refusing to talk to other clubs? Let go into the system by a spiteful club, knows where they want to go, makes it really clear what they want and simply refuses to talk to other suitors. Is this something anyone has done before?

What can anyone do about it if a player simply won't pick up the phone?
Tippett?

Just put a cost prohibitive price on his head.

[Bulldog4life]

Is there a precedent for a player just refusing to talk to other clubs? Let go into the system by a spiteful club, knows where they want to go, makes it really clear what they want and simply refuses to talk to other suitors. Is this something anyone has done before?

What can anyone do about it if a player simply won't pick up the phone?

It will be good to have a good leader like him. I won't be overly concerned if we don't get him at 22 which is overs, but I hate the fact that Essendon wan't more than this. Which planet are they on?

Don't hold me to it GD but I think Luke Ball did. Told all Clubs he wanted to go to Collingwood. Not quite sure if any other Club interviewed him though.

[LostDoggy]

Why cant we offer him a $1M 1 year contract (price on his head), he enters the PSD, that should all but protect him from the GWS / Melb / Saints, then we extend his offer mid-way next year for an additional 3 years at 233k each year. The AFL would not need to sign off on the price he puts on himself?

[josie]

Well it is what it is. If GWS trade for Mumford then they are free to use pick 1 PSD on him. We just have to engineer the highest possible price on his head to get him to us. If GWS can offer $600,000 a year, then so be it, wasn't meant to be. 22 is most fair, this is all designed to make us shit ourselves and fold.

Sometimes it's an easy trade, sometimes its Nick Stevens, sometimes Lake, sometimes Tippett. Or Jonathon Hay.... Just don't pay overs with picks/players.

Agree with you BulldogTragic. Pity if it happens and he goes elsewhere, however should be clear on what our limit is and stick to it, otherwise it sets (or perhaps reinforces) a precedent that we are weak at the knees.

I do feel sorry for Crameri though if he ends up at GWS and I'll be a tad angry with Hawthorn if they grab him in some 3 club deal when it is clear he want to join the Dogs.

Even so, other opportunities will arise as others disappear.

[Remi Moses]

Don't hold me to it GD but I think Luke Ball did. Told all Clubs he wanted to go to Collingwood. Not quite sure if any other Club interviewed him though.

Yep he did

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Its simple.

We hold our nerve, tell Crameri to do the same, and Essendon will either cave or he'll go to the psd and out a price on his head (along with being adamant he only wants to play for us)

Don't blink first and we win.

[Remi Moses]

They've been tough talking all season on the peptides disgrace.
Then they wilted !
They're desperate to get into the draft ( it's imperative they do )
Otherwise serious pain coming their way

[GVGjr]

Mark Stevens on 7 news tonight said Hawthorn & GWS are circling...his words... Cameri.

As much as we would like to get Crameri to the club, arranging a pick between 13 and 17 to satisfy the Bombers is just too much. I'm happy for him that there are other clubs willing to pay him the type of money we were but I would be disappointed if we coughed up more than pick 22 for him.

If GWS are happy to take him in the PSD then good luck to them.

He doesn't have to interview with them or provide them with a medical though. Very hard for a club to make a deal without completing the medical. If GWS were to take him in the PSD then the Bombers get nothing anyway.

[G-Mo77]

Stick to our guns and they'll cave. If their stupid enough to not deal well they'll lose him for nothing and lose face with our club and most others.

Horrible club run by horrible people. I wouldn't wish any club to fold or cease existence apart from Essendon. Scumbags!

[anfo27]

We just need to remain firm of our offer. We still want the rest of the clubs to think we are a fair & reasonable club to deal with & let Essendon come out of this as they usually do. Keep the offer on the table & the day before the last day if they still want the world then take it off the table. Let Crammers go in the PSD & we get him for nothing as well footy world seeing us in a positive light.

I'm not worried about any other club taking him. Why would a club take him when they are told he has no interest in playing with them & once his $800,000 one year deal is up he is walking? As much as those clubs would love Crammers at their club its just not worth the risk.

[bulldogtragic]

At the end of the day these are the facts:

A good player chose the WBFC
Essendon will lose their leading goal kicker
Stu is in for a big pay day

If he doesn't get to us, there is a silver lining for everyone... Except Essendon :)

[LostDoggy]

Makes you wonder why Essendon would be desperate to get the draft considering some think it's shallow at pick 22, and they have an abundance of young talent.

[1eyedog]

As much as we would like to get Crameri to the club, arranging a pick between 13 and 17 to satisfy the Bombers is just too much. I'm happy for him that there are other clubs willing to pay him the type of money we were but I would be disappointed if we coughed up more than pick 22 for him.

If GWS are happy to take him in the PSD then good luck to them.

He doesn't have to interview with them or provide them with a medical though. Very hard for a club to make a deal without completing the medical. If GWS were to take him in the PSD then the Bombers get nothing anyway.

I hope we don't do that, in times past we might have. I would hate to lose him to GWS but I'm still happy to keep pick 22 and put it to good use elsewhere.

Really good player Crameri but not irreplaceable. If Crameri was a Bulldog player and the roles were reversed what would you want / think we could get for him?

[LostDoggy]

Why cant we offer him a $1M 1 year contract (price on his head), he enters the PSD, that should all but protect him from the GWS / Melb / Saints, then we extend his offer mid-way next year for an additional 3 years at 233k each year. The AFL would not need to sign off on the price he puts on himself?

Wondering that myself. Hell - make it $1.5Million year 1 and we'll give him $100k for each of the other 3 years. We've probably got more leeway than most in our salary cap given what we paid last year but we'd want to sign the deal up front as a 4 year deal though. I know he gets to set his minimum terms going into the PS draft. I don't know how specific those terms are allowed to be however. Surely, if he could set something like the above, that gets him past the GWS war chest??

[jeemak]

Wondering that myself. Hell - make it $1.5Million year 1 and we'll give him $100k for each of the other 3 years. We've probably got more leeway than most in our salary cap given what we paid last year but we'd want to sign the deal up front as a 4 year deal though. I know he gets to set his minimum terms going into the PS draft. I don't know how specific those terms are allowed to be however. Surely, if he could set something like the above, that gets him past the GWS war chest??

And trust that he won't break down physically or mentally in the 1st year, and barely play a game of AFL footy again? Not sure if I agree.


If Hawthorn really want him, and can pay what he wants then why wouldn't he want to go to Hawthorn? Taking the Bulldogs goggles off, they're a much more attractive club to play for than we are.

Hold our nerve. Offer what we have decided we can afford or less and take him in the PSD if that's how it pans out. If that can't happen, then we move on to plan B (I assume we have a plan B).

[LostDoggy]

And trust that he won't break down physically or mentally in the 1st year, and barely play a game of AFL footy again? Not sure if I agree.


If Hawthorn really want him, and can pay what he wants then why wouldn't he want to go to Hawthorn? Taking the Bulldogs goggles off, they're a much more attractive club to play for than we are.

Hold our nerve. Offer what we have decided we can afford or less and take him in the PSD if that's how it pans out. If that can't happen, then we move on to plan B (I assume we have a plan B).

If we offer a 4 year $1.8 Million we'd likely have to pay it out anyway wouldn't we? Not saying its an ideal scenario but is it actually an option? Anyone know?

[jeemak]

If we offer a 4 year $1.8 Million we'd likely have to pay it out anyway wouldn't we? Not saying its an ideal scenario but is it actually an option? Anyone know?

I think a lot of contracts have breach clauses implanted into them. My concern would be if there were some unanticipated behavioral issues after year one, and he breached his contract we've invested a lot of money first up.

Understand it's unlikely, and it's nothing personal against the guy but injuries aside (which the club should take responsibility for) other things can happen in a person's life that make them unemployable. It's just a risk, that's all.

Would I be willing to take a risk like that on an elite player? Maybe.

[F'scary]

That should go well for them. Crameri's already left Essendon, didn't attend their B&F, and has agreed to terms with us.

It's basically like trying to haggle for a better price when selling a car you don't even own :rolleyes:

AND WESTERN BULLDOGS WILL TELL YOU WHO THEM AM...THEY ARE THE REPO MAN!!!

Go PSD Doggies.

[Remi Moses]

Do we have a plan B?

[Remi Moses]

Makes you wonder why Essendon would be desperate to get the draft considering some think it's shallow at pick 22, and they have an abundance of young talent.

Regardless of that they are going to pay a high price for two years of draft penalties.
Won't be now, but you'd imagine it will hurt in future years.
Players do slide even in shallow drafts.

[azabob]

Do we have a plan B?

Draft a kid.

[hujsh]

Can we draft him in the national draft if we're worried about the PSD, like with Luke Ball?

[bulldogtragic]

Can we draft him in the national draft if we're worried about the PSD, like with Luke Ball?
Yes, if he nominates.

[LostDoggy]

Can we draft him in the national draft if we're worried about the PSD, like with Luke Ball?

Much more fraught with danger as it brings the likes of Hawthorn back into it with their 2 late first round picks. Given where they sit in the ladder etc, their buddy money etc, they'd be more likely to draft him than say the saints in the PSD. The PSD he only has to get past 3 picks for us to nab him so the preferable option if Essendon demonstrate their continued disconnection with reality. Tossers.

[Topdog]

Saints won't touch him with Lee and saint Nick there

[LostDoggy]

Do we have a plan B?

I think we are at plan B....

[Ghost Dog]

I think we'll get him in the end. Essendon are just trying to break us.
I'm going to enjoy watching us towel up the bombers in the coming future.

[Remi Moses]

I think we are at plan B....

What's c ?

[Bulldog4life]

Much more fraught with danger as it brings the likes of Hawthorn back into it with their 2 late first round picks. Given where they sit in the ladder etc, their buddy money etc, they'd be more likely to draft him than say the saints in the PSD. The PSD he only has to get past 3 picks for us to nab him so the preferable option if Essendon demonstrate their continued disconnection with reality. Tossers.

I think Hawthorn are more likely to try to grab him than GWS in a trade. He would fit nicely into their forward line. With no Buddy they have loads of cap space.

[1eyedog]

I think Hawthorn are more likely to try to grab him than GWS in a trade. He would fit nicely into their forward line. With no Buddy they have loads of cap space.

All things being equal you think he would happily to go to the hawks and have the opportunity to play in the next 2 Grand Finals.

[Bulldog4life]

http://www.afl.com.au/trade-period/trade-radio




"Since 2006 all clubs have made 9+ trades, except Essendon who have made 6. Same story every year, notoriously bad to deal with".

Based on that recent history, the Bulldogs might have quite a challenge in getting a deal done with the Bombers for Stewart Crameri.



Just read the above this morning.

[LostDoggy]

What's c ?

I hope we don't find out.

[Dry Rot]

I think Hawthorn are more likely to try to grab him than GWS in a trade. He would fit nicely into their forward line. With no Buddy they have loads of cap space.

Surely Ross Lyon would be interested?

[LostDoggy]

There's an interview with Dodoro (Don's list manager) on AFL.com.au. Makes a snide remark that Crameri only wants to go because of the cash. What a tosspot. Would hate him to work for us just seems like a slimebag. You need negotiators, people with some sense of empathy creating win:win outcomes but fighting strongly and sensibly for their position. Can tell from a 1 minute grab this guy is not that person. Another poor choice by their club.....

[LostDoggy]

There's an interview with Dodoro (Don's list manager) on AFL.com.au. Makes a snide remark that Crameri only wants to go because of the cash. What a tosspot. Would hate him to work for us just seems like a slimebag. You need negotiators, people with some sense of empathy creating win:win outcomes but fighting strongly and sensibly for their position. Can tell from a 1 minute grab this guy is not that person. Another poor choice by their club.....

Just saw that too. "There's plenty of players that want to come to our club". This statement really sums up how deluded EFC are.

[anfo27]

A mate of mine texted me a ridiculous trade scenario. He said the bombers want pick 4 or pick 22 & JJ for Crameri & pick 44. He didn't make it up but must have got it off big footy or some crap. Them my another mate who happens to follow the scum reckons we will cave & offer JJ & pick 22. This is why i hate these arrogant flogs.
We should come back with pick 22 & JJ for Crameri & Daniher. Get stuffed Essendon!!

[bulldogtragic]

A mate of mine texted me a ridiculous trade scenario. He said the bombers want pick 4 or pick 22 & JJ for Crameri & pick 44. He didn't make it up but must have got it off big footy or some crap. Them my another mate who happens to follow the scum reckons we will cave & offer JJ & pick 22. This is why i hate these arrogant flogs.
We should come back with pick 22 & JJ for Crameri & Daniher. Get stuffed Essendon!!
Stuff that, use 22 on Del Santo or whoever else they want.

[Remi Moses]

I'd hold off and possibly get a whiff of what might transpire in the PSD.
If Bruce can't get a trade to Stkilda or Mummy at GWS( you'd think they 'd be peeved at the Buddy situation)or the Dees who have 10 key forwards

[Remi Moses]

Stuff that, use 22 on Del Santo or whoever else they want.

No wonder they have the lowest of amount of trades since 06!
They're actually inflicting self harm not taking pick 22, and this is just pigheadedness
Mind you self harm and Essendon are sonomonous

[Scraggers]

As much as I'd like to have Crameri at the club, I would prefer to miss out in him than lose JJ or help Essendone !!

Pick 22 alone (straight swap) is more than fair !! A second round pick is more than they have now.

[LostDoggy]

They are were mad not to take Pick 22 yesterday and give themselves 3 weeks to work back into the first round of the draft. Especially given they want Heath Shaw and Nick Dal Santo. Adrian Dodoro has rocks in his head.

[LostDoggy]

I'm not sure we actually ever offered 22. My (albeit abit vague) intel suggested we offered two players up (not both a choice of) as potentials for trade not a pick....

[Scorlibo]

I'm not sure we actually ever offered 22. My (albeit abit vague) intel suggested we offered two players up (not both a choice of) as potentials for trade not a pick....

What's your intel SD?

[The Underdog]

I'm not sure we actually ever offered 22. My (albeit abit vague) intel suggested we offered two players up (not both a choice of) as potentials for trade not a pick....

Hopefully one of them was Scott West. I'm ok to trade him to them now.

[azabob]

As much as I'd like to have Crameri at the club, I would prefer to miss out in him than lose JJ or help Essendone !!

Pick 22 alone (straight swap) is more than fair !! A second round pick is more than they have now.

Agree totally.

I still have an uneasy feeling we will give pick 22 and something extra.

[LostDoggy]

Pick 22 and a swap of our third round selections (38 / 44)

[Twodogs]

Agree totally.

I still have an uneasy feeling we will give pick 22 and something extra.


They probably have an uneasy feeling that Carmeri will nominate for the PSD. I reckon they will blink.

[A Ford]

Pick 22 and a swap of our third round selections (38 / 44)

We are idiots if we do that.
Fantasia may have left but have we learnt anything?
Why did we give them our best offer (pick 22) on the first day? We have no room to maneuver now.

[chef]

Pick 22 and a swap of our third round selections (38 / 44)

I would be fine with that.

[LongWait]

We are idiots if we do that.
Fantasia may have left but have we learnt anything?
Why did we give them our best offer (pick 22) on the first day? We have no room to maneuver now.

I can't for the life of me see how we have no room to move now. We can do what ever the bloody hell we please.

[MrMahatma]

Who says we put our best offer forward anyway?

I love how people instantly believe we set ourselves up to get screwed.

[Scorlibo]

We have no room to maneuver now.

I'm also perplexed by this. We appear to have underestimated the Bombers' capacity for being unreasonable.

[Scorlibo]

Who says we put our best offer forward anyway?

I love how people instantly believe we set ourselves up to get screwed.

It was implied by J-Mac on Trade Radio that on the first day we offered pick 22.

[Eze Dog]

I'm just speculating here but I think that Essendon may be waiting for the Buddy and Mumford deals to be sorted so that they can try get either pick 18 or 19 (if the hawks nominate this draft to use their compensation pick in) from the Hawks for Crameri or pick 20 from GWS.

If neither of these deals are offered then I'm pretty confident we will pick him up for pick 22 (If we are in fact offering this and we don't fold) as Essendon will crumble after coming to the inevitable conclusion that if he doesn't come to us they won't get anything.

We just have to stay strong in our endeavors!

[Ghost Dog]

It was implied by J-Mac on Trade Radio that on the first day we offered pick 22.

Nah, I didn't think he implied anything actually. I'll have to listen to it again though.

[LostDoggy]

Nah, I didn't think he implied anything actually. I'll have to listen to it again though.

Didn't think he gave them anything personally, straight out of the BMac playbook.

[azabob]

It is being widely reported we offered pick 22. The media are making Essendon out as the bad guys in this scenario. I reckon Essendon would have no hesitation publicly announcing we have offered our 3rd round pick & not pick 22 if that was the case.

I think it's fairly certain we offered pick 22.

[always right]

Staggered at the potshots some people are taking at our club for what they may or may not have put on the table. Why get yourselves so worked up over something you have no first hand knowledge of? Save it for when you know the final outcome....and go for your lives if you don't like the deal.

[Scorlibo]

Not sure anyone is taking 'potshots', I could be wrong, but it would seem as though pick 22 has been thrown up early and now we have to wait three weeks for Essendon to either take the offer or stubbornly and stupidly turn it down (just as likely for mine). My main concern in the case of a long wait is that Crameri gets stressed out by the situation and opts to stay put, which would seem like the primary reason for Essendon doing what they have done.

If this has happened then all I'm saying is we could have read the situation a little better knowing that pick 22 is our best offer.

If we're bluffing at a lower price then fantastic, well done.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I think that if we offered pick 22 then that would seem fair and reasonable. I cant see them bending over at all when Crameri has stated he wants to come across.

I'm also sure that BMAC will be in constant contact with him.

If I were Essendon, I would be nervous and wanting to trade as they may be full of them self but they would not be that stupid really.

[strebla]

I think that if we offered pick 22 then that would seem fair and reasonable. I cant see them bending over at all when Crameri has stated he wants to come across.

I'm also sure that BMAC will be in constant contact with him.

If I were Essendon, I would be nervous and wanting to trade as they may be full of them self but they would not be that stupid really.

Not really sure that they aren't that stupid when was the last player to walk out for another Vic club . They are above such things it only happens at the Doggies not at the almighty Bomber"s:confused:

[bulldogtragic]

The real question is, can this thread hit 1000 replies before he signs?

I say yes.

[divvydan]

Essendon did a similar thing with Houli and Richmond. Richmond were offering a third round pick and Houli was uncontracted. Most neutrals considered it close to par as an offer. Essendon refused to trade and Houli went to Richmond for pick 3 in PSD.

[Twodogs]

Not really sure that they aren't that stupid when was the last player to walk out for another Vic club . They are above such things it only happens at the Doggies not at the almighty Bomber"s:confused:


Andrew Lovett?

[LostDoggy]

Let him go to the PSD. I can't seem GWS, Melbourne or Saints taking him. They all have good forward stocks and shouldn't have the need to take him. F!Essendon

[GVGjr]

Let him go to the PSD. I can't seem GWS, Melbourne or Saints taking him. They all have good forward stocks and shouldn't have the need to take him. F!Essendon

That is an option but if we follow a proven formula then it's best that he speaks to no club, refuses to do a medical for them and goes into the PSD running a slight risk that GWS might select him without following the normal due diligence required. Melbourne don't need him and I think the Saints can't afford him. GWS might have some genuine interest.

There is a slight risk but I think the odds are clearly in our favor.
Essendon are being dills at their own peril. I hope we stare back at them hard and do not fold.

[Hotdog60]

We need to stay strong, they have no picks in the first two rounds and it can stay that way unless they are prepared to take what we offer.

[bulldogtragic]

Essendon confirms we offered 22, they want more.

[Twodogs]

That is an option but if we follow a proven formula then it's best that he speaks to no club, refuses to do a medical for them and goes into the PSD running a slight risk that GWS might select him without following the normal due diligence required. Melbourne don't need him and I think the Saints can't afford him. GWS might have some genuine interest.

There is a slight risk but I think the odds are clearly in our favor.
Essendon are being dills at their own peril. I hope we stare back at them hard and do not fold.


We need to stay strong, they have no picks in the first two rounds and it can stay that way unless they are prepared to take what we offer.


Agree. We hold al the cards in this game. We need to be reasonable and hold firm.

[Maddog37]

Give them one week and then offer pick 38. Give them one week to accept that and then if not, go to PSD. The more they waste our time, the greater the cost to them.

[chef]

Essendon confirms we offered 22, they want more.

Which is fair enough from them as hes worth more than just pick 22(more likely pick 25) IMO.

But if they cant convince to go somewhere other than the Dogs they will have to accept that or nothing, if we stick to our guns.

[Happy Days]

Trade Radio @traderadio
Dodoro on Gumby: He's a required player. He and manager have expressed a desire to look elsewhere, purely for opportunity. Ball in his court

This is getting stupid

[azabob]

Trade Radio @traderadio
Dodoro on Gumby: He's a required player. He and manager have expressed a desire to look elsewhere, purely for opportunity. Ball in his court

This is getting stupid

Also from trade radio - McKay from Carlton - Essendon are nuts.

@traderadio: McKay on Gumbleton: We spoke last year and couldn't get it even close. We won't be going down that track

[Murphy'sLore]

It's like trying to smuggle someone out of the old East Germany!

[Sedat]

Gumby is a required player, Leroy Jetta is a required player. Wow, all these required players, don't even know why Essendon are wasting their time participating in trade week.

I think Essendon should keep them because they are so required.....Bendigo Bombers need the extra depth

[Happy Days]

Gumby is a required player, Leroy Jetta is a required player. Wow, all these required players, don't even know why Essendon are wasting their time participating in trade week.

I think Essendon should keep them because they are so required.....Bendigo Bombers need the extra depth

Their recruiting is just SO GOOD, they obviously get it right 100% of the time and never, ever draft crabs in the first round all the time when they're not handed to them via F/S, why would they bother when they just nail it through the draft time after time?

I mean, it's like they only draft required players!

[Scorlibo]

Give them one week and then offer pick 38. Give them one week to accept that and then if not, go to PSD. The more they waste our time, the greater the cost to them.

I agree, give them a deadline separate from the three week trade period.

[Twodogs]

On another site an Essendon supporter pointed out that Brendan Goddard is the only player from another club on their list. I checked it out and he was right.

I think I am starting to work out why.

[KT31]

On another site an Essendon supporter pointed out that Brendan Goddard is the only player from another club on their list. I checked it out and he was right.

I think I am starting to work out why.

Might be to hard to convince an established player from another team to inject.;)

[The Underdog]

On another site an Essendon supporter pointed out that Brendan Goddard is the only player from another club on their list. I checked it out and he was right.

I think I am starting to work out why.

He's also the reigning B & F. And definitely didn't go there for the money.

[Greystache]

Gumby is a required player, Leroy Jetta is a required player. Wow, all these required players, don't even know why Essendon are wasting their time participating in trade week.

I think Essendon should keep them because they are so required.....Bendigo Bombers need the extra depth

Yet somehow they haven't won a final in a decade and only Richmond has a worse record.

The slightly less brainwashed cult members at Essendon all bemoan how terrible Dodoro has been for the club, particularly in recruitment.

[comrade]

The 'come back Stu' comment by Dodoro was pathetic and reeks of delusion. Crameri wants nothing to do with the Bombers anymore, didn't attend the B&F and has declared he wants to go to the Bulldogs. The Bombers have no leverage, no picks in the first 2 rounds and have a pick after us in the PSD.

Dodoro should act like a professional, look at the situation realistically and admit that playing these games is childish.

[Bulldog4life]

The 'come back Stu' comment by Dodoro was pathetic and reeks of delusion. Crameri wants nothing to do with the Bombers anymore, didn't attend the B&F and has declared he wants to go to the Bulldogs. The Bombers have no leverage, no picks in the first 2 rounds and have a pick after us in the PSD.

Dodoro should act like a professional, look at the situation realistically and admit that playing these games is childish.

He is a stubborn bugger. Heard him on the radio this morning.

[KT31]

He is a stubborn bugger. Heard him on the radio this morning.

You have put it far to nicely, not what I would have said about him.

[Twodogs]

He's also the reigning B & F. And definitely didn't go there for the money.

Definitely not the cash.

[Murphy'sLore]

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

[Remi Moses]

Trade Radio @traderadio
Dodoro on Gumby: He's a required player. He and manager have expressed a desire to look elsewhere, purely for opportunity. Ball in his court

This is getting stupid

Yes and apparently Simon Madden's a required player so is Van der Haar and Leon Baker.
Give us a spell ! You'd think the right thing to say would be to try and give Gumbleton a fresh start at another club.
You'd swear he and Crameri were John Coleman the way they carry on

[1eyedog]

Yes and apparently Simon Madden's a required player so is Van der Haar and Leon Baker.
Give us a spell ! You'd think the right thing to say would be to try and give Gumbleton a fresh start at another club.
You'd swear he and Crameri were John Coleman the way they carry on

This is all just another excellent example of how management at Essendon do NOT have the welfare of their players as their first concern. We saw it with banned substances and now they're playing mind games with their player / ex-players re. trades.

They say to Gumby last trade period you're a required player and then they don't give him a run - same again it seems. Any semblance of a career for Gumbleton has been washed away by Essendon's lies and mismanagement of him. They just can't swallow that he'd want to leave. He's been retained as a depth player when he would have been given opportunities elsewhere. I know he had his chance to leave but he seems like a loyal bugger and he was fed the company line.

Have a bit of human decency you dirty, horrible, horrible club.

[LostDoggy]

Richard Cranium being announced as their interum coach?

[KT31]

Richard Cranium being announced as their interum coach?

The ex St-Kilda or Collingwood player ?;)

[Larunda]

Why would Dodoro denigrate Stewart, when Stew just wants to leave. other players leave clubs and staff don't disparage them.
I am angry about what Dodoro is saying- he is just not right.
Why dont the AFL step in and assist a player wanting to leave Bombers, they said three weeks ago any player could leave, and now we have this situation. Makes me sick.
Ex Bomber.

[always right]

Why would Dodoro denigrate Stewart, when Stew just wants to leave. other players leave clubs and staff don't disparage them.
I am angry about what Dodoro is saying- he is just not right.
Why dont the AFL step in and assist a player wanting to leave Bombers, they said three weeks ago any player could leave, and now we have this situation. Makes me sick.
Ex Bomber.

Dodoro strikes me as an arrogant nob. How would Stewart feel about going to the PSD and would he be comfortable if he was picked up bu GWS, Melbourne or St Kilda? Obviously the money is one thing but how important is it to Stewart to come to us and play under mcCartney?

[Cyberdoggie]

The 'come back Stu' comment by Dodoro was pathetic and reeks of delusion. Crameri wants nothing to do with the Bombers anymore, didn't attend the B&F and has declared he wants to go to the Bulldogs. The Bombers have no leverage, no picks in the first 2 rounds and have a pick after us in the PSD.

Dodoro should act like a professional, look at the situation realistically and admit that playing these games is childish.

That character from the show 'Lie to Me' would of had a field day with that Dodoro video clip. When the bit about Crameri only wanting to leave because of the money came out he started scratching his head and started looking all over the place.

[The Underdog]

That character from the show 'Lie to Me' would of had a field day with that Dodoro video clip. When the bit about Crameri only wanting to leave because of the money came out he started scratching his head and started looking all over the place.

If he's only leaving for the cash & they want to keep him. Maybe they should offer him more cash. Seems simple.

[ledge]

If he's only leaving for the cash & they want to keep him. Maybe they should offer him more cash. Seems simple.

Because its all gone on fines and they are asking for donations to build the new ground up

[Maddog37]

Because it was spent on Goddard.

[Remi Moses]

Gotta say I love the Essendon Bowls club even more now!

[OLD SCRAGGer]

Dodoro strikes me as an arrogant nob. How would Stewart feel about going to the PSD and would he be comfortable if he was picked up bu GWS, Melbourne or St Kilda? Obviously the money is one thing but how important is it to Stewart to come to us and play under mcCartney?

He CERTAINLY IS AN ARROGANT NOB. I used to work with him before he went to Essendon, was ALWAYS like that

[Eze Dog]

If he's only leaving for the cash & they want to keep him. Maybe they should offer him more cash. Seems simple.

At their B&F night Bomber Thompson said that they were already paying him more than he was worth and said the amount of money we are offering for him was ridiculous. If there already acting like this then my opinion is that he has already told them he won't play for Essendon next year.

Even in the interview with Dodoro he started to say what they were doing to facilitate this trade before he back peddled and said that they wanted to keep him in a rather angry tone. This says to me he has been told by the club that they need to keep the appearance that Crameri hasn't fallen out of favor to get a better pick and that everyone in management is pissed at Crameri due to the whole situation.

[LostDoggy]

Dear Essendon,

Just suck it up, give us Crameri, take some chill pills (im sure you have some behind the peptides) and cop pick 22 in return so we can get what is becoming a long drawn out deal behind us.

Also Crameri isn't even worth Pick 22, so be lucky we are offering that.

Your Welcome.

Dogs fans.

[craigsahibee]

The more this drags on, the more I believe we should just let him slide through to the PSD.

Pick 22 is fair and reasonable, if they're not happy with that we take it off the table come close of business Friday, and we get on with life.

[The Underdog]

Gotta say I love the Essendon Bowls club even more now!

We should have a WOOF bowls night there.

[LongWait]

Why would Dodoro denigrate Stewart, when Stew just wants to leave. other players leave clubs and staff don't disparage them.
I am angry about what Dodoro is saying- he is just not right.
Why dont the AFL step in and assist a player wanting to leave Bombers, they said three weeks ago any player could leave, and now we have this situation. Makes me sick.
Ex Bomber.

Make no mistake about it - the Western Bulldogs value Stewie and have put their money where their mouth is - we've offered him a long and lucrative contract.

Bulldogs supporters also really want Stewie - there is a lot of excitement about him coming to join Macca and the team at the Whitten Oval.

We've offered Essendon a fair compensation for an uncontracted player who his current club clearly doesn't value when you look at their offer compared to ours.

The sticking point is a club which treats it's players as property to be lied to and subjected to whatever experimentation in performance enhancing drugs might get a result. "What ever it takes" and who gives a stuff about the rights and wellbeing of the players. Dodoro's comments about Stewie and Bomber Thompson's comments at the B&F night simply reflect the prevailing culture at Essendon Football Club.

I hope that Stewie is prepared to enter the Pre-season Draft, because that may be the only way he can realistically get to the Bulldogs.

[F'scary]

...
I hope that Stewie is prepared to enter the Pre-season Draft, because that may be the only way he can realistically get to the Bulldogs.

Or Grade A Wipearse Shitney or GooooDees or St SchoolGirl. :eek::eek::eek:

[LostDoggy]

Is Essendon accept our offer of pick 22. We should say no, actually we are only offering pick 38 now.

[The Coon Dog]

Is Essendon accept our offer of pick 22. We should say no, actually we are only offering pick 38 now.

That would only make us more petulant than them. I understand your sentiment, they're a shit of a club to deal with!

[Ghost Dog]

Brendan has seen something in Crammers, much as Shannon Grant did in Tory Dickson. Essendon think perhaps Brendan will influence the recruiting team to pay overs.

[jeemak]

Let's put a different spin on things.

We have bemoaned our club's trading culture over the years, because we've been too easy to deal with.

We bemoan EFC's trading culture because they are too hard to deal with.

EFC has drafted poorly over many years (last decade or so), albeit having finished in the mid table. They have not won any finals.

WB have drafted OK over the last decade or 15 years, and lost 3 prelims.

Would we have been in a better position, or worse position over these last 15 years if we had have taken EFC's stance, or the one we took (from a trading perspective)?

I've always been extremely puzzled about the concept of Dodoro being a list and recruiting manager for as long as he has. To me he seems like a guy with a directive to not trade and develop through the draft, without the ability to develop through the draft. Or another thought, maybe player development under Sheedy was shit (like we're seeing at GWS now) and James and Bomber are picking up the slack.

It's easy to pick on Dodoro, but seriously, this is a club that has been prettty shit for a lot of reasons over the last decade or so. I wouldn't be surprised he's acting under instruction (and always has been).

[Topdog]

I've bemoaned us because we have been too eager to trade, not because we are easy to trade with. The only exception to that was Lake.

I liked our deals with WC, Sydney and Brisbane in the past as we are giving up something for players we value that is fair and reasonable.

Oh I and think you are kidding yourself if you think player development at GWS is shit. It amazes me how often people forget what happened just 1 season ago and everyone saying GC should sack the coach as their development is shit and they have stagnated.

And every time I read Dodoro i think of Pororo

[jeemak]

I've bemoaned us because we have been too eager to trade, not because we are easy to trade with. The only exception to that was Lake.

I liked our deals with WC, Sydney and Brisbane in the past as we are giving up something for players we value that is fair and reasonable.

Oh I and think you are kidding yourself if you think player development at GWS is shit. It amazes me how often people forget what happened just 1 season ago and everyone saying GC should sack the coach as their development is shit and they have stagnated.

And every time I read Dodoro i think of Pororo

We'll see with GWS. I think they would have been much better placed without Sheedy in charge. That's all. I really think he's a wanker and not as good as he's made out to be.

[1eyedog]

We'll see with GWS. I think they would have been much better placed without Sheedy in charge. That's all. I really think he's a wanker and not as good as he's made out to be.

Of course Sheedy is shit, that's why Essendon got rid of him - he was clearly out of touch with how to relate to Gen X and the game plan had stagnated long ago. Sheedy didn't go to GWS as head coach, not really, he had a directive to do as much media as possible and show up at training and match day and make a dumb speech during the intervals of a game. Choco and Cameron are / were the drivers and that's why they're there. Sheedy is a purely a logo, a brand name to facilitate growth of the game in Sydney's outer-west. GWS players are being developed the right way by good people.

[jeemak]

I'm not entirely sure Sheedy has little influence. How would I know?

I wouldn't have him anywhere near my football club.

[azabob]

Of course Sheedy is shit, that's why Essendon got rid of him - he was clearly out of touch with how to relate to Gen X and the game plan had stagnated long ago. Sheedy didn't go to GWS as head coach, not really, he had a directive to do as much media as possible and show up at training and match day and make a dumb speech during the intervals of a game. Choco and Cameron are / were the drivers and that's why they're there. Sheedy is a purely a logo, a brand name to facilitate growth of the game in Sydney's outer-west. GWS players are being developed the right way by good people.

Are you sure about Williams? I think Sheedy had more say than your giving credit for. Why else would Williams leave the Giants when a senior job was there for the taking and take up a development role at Richmond?

[Axe Man]

A snippet from the Age:


the Swans will trade Shane Mumford to Greater Western Sydney reasonably cheaply, given the Giants could acquire him for nothing using the pre-season draft.

This will leave the Giants number 1 pick in the PSD uncommitted and opens up the chance of them taking Crameri if he ends up there. Hopefully Essendon come to their senses and we can get a deal done.

[Scorlibo]

A snippet from the Age:



This will leave the Giants number 1 pick in the PSD uncommitted and opens up the chance of them taking Crameri if he ends up there. Hopefully Essendon come to their senses and we can get a deal done.

Essendon will take pick 22 before they let Crameri go to the PSD, unless we withdraw the offer.

[Topdog]

Are you sure about Williams? I think Sheedy had more say than your giving credit for. Why else would Williams leave the Giants when a senior job was there for the taking and take up a development role at Richmond?

Because he was annoyed as he was guaranteed the job after 1 season.

[azabob]

Because he was annoyed as he was guaranteed the job after 1 season.

I guess that proves my point, Sheedy had a massive say in what happened at GWS.

[1eyedog]

I guess that proves my point, Sheedy had a massive say in what happened at GWS.

Oh come on everyone knows that it's Vlad not Sheedy who pulls the strings at GWS and of course Vlad wanted Sheedy to stay on over Choco.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-heaps-praise-on-revitalised-sheedy-20120306-1uied.html

Sheedy has had little to do with the management of anything since he got there except get on the media and say stupid things. As I said he's a brand name but now the real stuff starts for them.

[azabob]

Oh come on everyone knows that it's Vlad not Sheedy who pulls the strings at GWS and of course Vlad wanted Sheedy to stay on over Choco.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-heaps-praise-on-revitalised-sheedy-20120306-1uied.html

Sheedy has had little to do with the management of anything since he got there except get on the media and say stupid things. As I said he's a brand name but now the real stuff starts for them.

Oh, come on, everyone but me believes that.

[Bulldog4life]

Nearly appointed Bumbers coach says he will make a fresh approach to Crameri to stay with them.

[bulldogtragic]

Nearly appointed Bumbers coach says he will make a fresh approach to Crameri to stay with them.
Yeah, the same guy who essentially slagged him.

Ps what a waste of everyone's time who applied for the job...

[LostDoggy]

"All the players are galvanised. Except for 1 individual" lol

And he kept on saying "terribly" to describe everything. It is terribly great that we have Thompson.

It will be terribly good training at new facility

[LostDoggy]

Nearly appointed Bumbers coach says he will make a fresh approach to Crameri to stay with them.

When asked if he has tried to change Crameri's mind he first said 'we tried' then corrected himself and said 'we are trying'

[The Bulldogs Bite]

"All the players are galvanised. Except for 1 individual" lol

And he kept on saying "terribly" to describe everything. It is terribly great that we have Thompson.

It will be terribly good training at new facility

I noticed that too, it's a stupid phrase to use.

Thompson did concede it was highly unlikely they'd be able to convince Crameri, so they'd move to secure the best deal possible for their club. (IE. Make ridiculous demands)

[ReLoad]

Yeah, the same guy who essentially slagged him.

Ps what a waste of everyone's time who applied for the job...

Not only was it a colossal waste of time, but it shows how the bombers have again had the opportunity to clean themselves up by appointing an outsider, but failed yet again.

I'm waiting for ASADA/WADA to hit these muppets right between the eyes.

The bombers are a joke, a total and utter joke. Even the Kool aid the zealots are drinking is off, but they are still drinking it.

[Twodogs]

It will be terribly good training at new facility

What he meant to say was it's a terrible facility.


I noticed that too, it's a stupid phrase to use.

Thompson did concede it was highly unlikely they'd be able to convince Crameri, so they'd move to secure the best deal possible for their club. (IE. Make ridiculous demands)

Make even more ridiculous demands.

[LostDoggy]

I noticed that too, it's a stupid phrase to use.

Thompson did concede it was highly unlikely they'd be able to convince Crameri, so they'd move to secure the best deal possible for their club. (IE. Make ridiculous demands)

At this point in time the best deal possible for their club would be anything at all... Had the opportunity to get into the second round of the draft on the first day of the trade period and wouldn't have a bar of it. They really are the most arrogant flogs in the AFL.

[Remi Moses]

Just heard him on AW saying the same thing.
Going to sent Stewart a text message.

[GVGjr]

That would only make us more petulant than them. I understand your sentiment, they're a shit of a club to deal with!

Agree TCD. We offer pick 22 with a deadline and then we withdraw the offer and get on with things and take our chances of getting Crameri in the PSD if they can't agree to it.

[Ghost Dog]

Would getting him in the PSD make any difference to the amount we have to pay him?

[GVGjr]

Would getting him in the PSD make any difference to the amount we have to pay him?

No. We should pay what we agreed.

[Ghost Dog]

Thanks GVGjr - If and when we get him, it's going to make for a pretty fiery clash V the Bombers, first time around with him on the park. Looking forward to it.

If the Bombers refuse to trade, expect Crameri's team to cite events of this year and go to the AFLPA to state his case. He wouldn't be ignored.

[Scorlibo]

Agree TCD. We offer pick 22 with a deadline and then we withdraw the offer and get on with things and take our chances of getting Crameri in the PSD if the can't agree to it.

I agree. The longer this thing draws out, the more likely it seems that either Crameri or the club will flinch. Get on the front foot and don't allow Essendon to dictate terms.

[Twodogs]

Isn't there a mediation procedure for cases where the player wants to leave but the clubs can't come to an agreement?