Should we have Drafted another Young Ruckman [Archive]

bornadog

22-11-2013, 01:59 PM

I think we're fine ATM. Minson, Campbell, Cordy and Roughead is plenty IMO.

Can we really count Roughead?

My other thoughts are they take so long to develop that you have to bring them young or go for a more mature body from the VFL or equivalent.

Go_Dogs

22-11-2013, 02:03 PM

I was surprised we didn't add a tall player but as you allude to BAD next year looks a bit more flush for taller types and we do still have a few developing.

I think we could've looked at a ruck option for the rookie list, we seem OK on the senior list with 4 blokes who can play the role.

chef

22-11-2013, 02:10 PM

Can we really count Roughead?

He would be the last option and I only used in an injury crisis.

The Bulldogs Bite

22-11-2013, 02:14 PM

I think we're OK for now.

Another would be nice in theory but unless there's a quality option available there's little point in picking one for the sake of it.

Cordy's year will be interesting. Let's say he does develop well as the first ruck in the VFL, that means we have Minson (2-4 years left), Campbell and Cordy. Arguably we wouldn't need to draft another ruck even next year. I suspect this is part of why we haven't yet done so.

If Cordy continues to struggle, it may mean we absolutely need to pick one next year.

Mofra

22-11-2013, 02:16 PM

If Roughy is being developed as a KPP first, pinch-hitting ruck second, I'd want another somewhere, even as a rookie.

Perhaps we simply didn't rate any of the talent on offer though.

SlimPickens

22-11-2013, 02:34 PM

We may be doing it indirectly by bringing some tall players onto our VFL list. Darcy Fort is a ruckman who we may see a future in.

Sedat

22-11-2013, 02:39 PM

we seem OK on the senior list with 4 blokes who can play the role.
I have more faith in Hrovat or Dahl playing the role than Cordy.

Reckon we are 1 short, preferably a mature rookie from VFL or state level. We need to stop thinking of Roughy as a ruckman - if we start thinking of him as a ruckman then we are short in KPD's.

WBFC4FFC

22-11-2013, 05:14 PM

Do we have a pick in the Pre-Season Draft? Maybe we'll get a Ruckman then.

KT31

22-11-2013, 05:37 PM

Next year is apparently "The Year of the Tall" , holding off this year with the rucks we already have is not going to hurt us.

Nuggety Back Pocket

22-11-2013, 05:50 PM

or is next year the time to start looking?

If one of Minson or Campbell gets injured it does leave us very short for a replacement ruckman. I am yet to be convinced that Cordy is good enough.
Roughead has virtually taken over from Lake as our most reliable key defender. We lack flexibility in the ruck division because of Minson and Campbell being similar types and the decision to play Minson in the ruck for 80% of the time, means Campbell is forced to play for long periods up forward when he is better suited as a ruckman.

boydogs

22-11-2013, 08:34 PM

Any chance we could rookie Cam Wood? We're kind of OK, but if Minson, Campbell & Cordy all went down I'd rather get Wood in than have Jones, Roughead or Williams doing it

LongWait

22-11-2013, 09:03 PM

Any chance we could rookie Cam Wood? We're kind of OK, but if Minson, Campbell & Cordy all went down I'd rather get Wood in than have Jones, Roughead or Williams doing it

We don't have a rookie selection this year. We have 40 players on the main list and four rookie already. Cue is in the rack for us this draft period.

dogman

22-11-2013, 11:40 PM

Do we have a pick in the Pre-Season Draft? Maybe we'll get a Ruckman then.

No we are all done with squad. No more rookies or players in ore season draft.

Remi Moses

23-11-2013, 12:09 AM

I think they'll go tall next season( looks a beauty for talls)

Pickenitup

23-11-2013, 08:03 AM

I thought we can have 6 rookies next year pretty sure we have at least one rookie pick

GVGjr

23-11-2013, 08:33 AM

Ideally we should have selected Ben Brown who could develop nicely as a key forward and ruckman.
I also believe we should rookie list a ruckman every year. It might take a few goes at getting it right but it can be a positive for the list when it works.

chef

23-11-2013, 08:48 AM

If we've upgraded Goodes doesn't that open up another Rookie spot?

azabob

23-11-2013, 10:16 AM

If we've upgraded Goodes doesn't that open up another Rookie spot?

I think because Goodes filled our last primary list spot we can only have four rookies?

bulldogtragic

27-11-2013, 12:38 PM

Yes. We should have.

LostDoggy

27-11-2013, 12:52 PM

Who would we have taken, who would we have delisted, who shouldn't have been drafted in the ND?

bulldogtragic

27-11-2013, 01:09 PM

Who would we have taken, who would we have delisted, who shouldn't have been drafted in the ND?
Goodes to stay on RL.
One rookie delisted.
There were a few good rucks available at our second pick.

Mofra

27-11-2013, 01:12 PM

Goodes to stay on RL.
One rookie delisted.
There were a few good rucks available at our second pick.
I would have been happy to delist a rookie and add a ruckman to the rookie list.

bornadog

27-11-2013, 02:50 PM

Goodes to stay on RL.
One rookie delisted.
There were a few good rucks available at our second pick.

Rory Lobb would have been one we could have had.

Happy Days

27-11-2013, 02:50 PM

I would have been happy to delist a rookie and add a ruckman to the rookie list.

Yep. Not to bash they guy but how did Greenwood stay on? This seems like a need area for mine and this was an easy opportunity to provide some security.

Sedat

27-11-2013, 03:07 PM

Yep. Not to bash they guy but how did Greenwood stay on? This seems like a need area for mine and this was an easy opportunity to provide some security.
Yep, Greenwood for a 22-25yo VFL/state based ruckman would give us better balance on the overall list. Howard lucky to get another year, but I guess there was no way of confirming that Fuller was going to get to the Dogs on draft day, so I can understand the retention of Howard for another 12 months - in hindsight Howard really is now surplus to requirements in that running half-back area.

Mofra

27-11-2013, 03:09 PM

Yep. Not to bash they guy but how did Greenwood stay on? This seems like a need area for mine and this was an easy opportunity to provide some security.
I know he's a favourite of some, but Redpath is someone who can be considered luckier IMO.

Remi Moses

27-11-2013, 03:13 PM

Redpath and Greenwood were extremely fortunate to stay on.
Seems a few VFL players were very stiff

bulldogtragic

27-11-2013, 06:07 PM

Yep, Greenwood for a 22-25yo VFL/state based ruckman would give us better balance on the overall list. Howard lucky to get another year, but I guess there was no way of confirming that Fuller was going to get to the Dogs on draft day, so I can understand the retention of Howard for another 12 months - in hindsight Howard really is now surplus to requirements in that running half-back area.
Really, really very, very strong on mid backs and mid forwards is the list.

Howard and Tutt and Greenwood and others better have a decent year.

With retirements, next year is going to be MASSIVE for JMac.

G-Mo77

27-11-2013, 06:46 PM

I know he's a favourite of some, but Redpath is someone who can be considered luckier IMO.

Very lucky, I'm genuinely shocked that he stayed on the list.

Go_Dogs

27-11-2013, 10:18 PM

Very lucky, I'm genuinely shocked that he stayed on the list.

I tend to agree but the limited amounts I saw of him last year down back at VFL level he did show a bit and I think his physical package and obviously, what he does on the track and behind closed doors was enough to see him extended for another year.

The upshot is we obviously have a lot of faith in our ability to develop these guys and bridge the gap to make them into AFL players.

For mine, Greenwood would've been the one to make way for a ruck but I think we can survive the year with what we have.

Next year there looks like there'll be lots of taller players in the KP and ruck mould so I think we can assume our early selections next year will be based on grabbing some developing players for those roles.

bornadog

27-11-2013, 10:21 PM

Cameron Wood rookied today with Carlton.

Sedat

28-11-2013, 10:13 AM

Cameron Wood rookied today with Carlton.
Shame they didn't get a ruckman :boomtish:

Happy Days

28-11-2013, 10:17 AM

Shame they didn't get a ruckman :boomtish:

It's good that they already have 4 ruckmen better thn him but they still all suck.

chef

28-11-2013, 10:22 AM

Shame they didn't get a ruckman :boomtish:

Seems they have replaced Hampson perfectly.

Mantis

28-11-2013, 10:27 AM

Yep. Not to bash they guy but how did Greenwood stay on? This seems like a need area for mine and this was an easy opportunity to provide some security.

I don't think he was at all helped by Willi's decision to only play a limited amount of WB listed players each week... Played well late in the season and will get every opportunity this year given we now have our own reserves team.

G-Mo77

28-11-2013, 10:32 AM

Greystache

28-11-2013, 11:34 AM

I don't think he was at all helped by Willi's decision to only play a limited amount of WB listed players each week... Played well late in the season and will get every opportunity this year given we now have our own reserves team.

Agree. It seems a lot of people have written Greenwood off, and granted this season wasn't great for him for a number of reason, but his form late in 2012 (particularly his finals series) was outstanding.

He's small and needs physical development, but he showed great ability to win the ball, composure under heavy pressure, and very clean skills on both sides of his body.

I'm still very optimistic about him as a prospect. I might be in the minority but I'm glad we kept him on for another season. Granted he needs to have a good year in 2014 to keep his place going forward.

The Bulldogs Bite

28-11-2013, 08:14 PM

Agree. It seems a lot of people have written Greenwood off, and granted this season wasn't great for him for a number of reason, but his form late in 2012 (particularly his finals series) was outstanding.

He's small and needs physical development, but he showed great ability to win the ball, composure under heavy pressure, and very clean skills on both sides of his body.

I'm still very optimistic about him as a prospect. I might be in the minority but I'm glad we kept him on for another season. Granted he needs to have a good year in 2014 to keep his place going forward.

Even if he does have a good season, I just don't see how we can fit him onto the senior list let alone in the best 22 with the abundance of inside mids in front of him, and even more so now after we've drafted Honeychurch. In theory it's a good problem to have, but on this occasion, I don't think it helps either club or player.

bulldogtragic

28-11-2013, 08:21 PM

Greystache

28-11-2013, 11:51 PM

Even if he does have a good season, I just don't see how we can fit him onto the senior list let alone in the best 22 with the abundance of inside mids in front of him, and even more so now after we've drafted Honeychurch. In theory it's a good problem to have, but on this occasion, I don't think it helps either club or player.

You might well be right, but as a 25 year for example, I'm not sure he'd be purely an inside mid. He needs to build power, and hopefully in turn some for speed, but I think he could play a mix of inside and out. He has neat skills and good composure, so doesn't have to be purely at the coal face. He may well turn out to be surplus to needs, but I'd prefer to build a list of good players rather than keep players like Tutt, Howard, Cordy, and Redpath just because they fill a gap. I just think bad depth is still bad.

stefoid

02-12-2013, 11:29 AM

Yep, Greenwood for a 22-25yo VFL/state based ruckman would give us better balance on the overall list. Howard lucky to get another year, but I guess there was no way of confirming that Fuller was going to get to the Dogs on draft day, so I can understand the retention of Howard for another 12 months - in hindsight Howard really is now surplus to requirements in that running half-back area.

All of a sudden we have a bunch of them

Goodes probably has another two season in him
Darley
JJ
Fuller
I could see Prudden getting a gig there with his foot skills

Ghost Dog

02-12-2013, 11:38 AM

So, as it stands, most on here regret keeping Howard for another year?
Will need a stellar year to be in our best 22 now.
I wonder if Wood from the VFL was ever seriously considered? He had some very good games in the VFL.