Match Committee - Round 10 vs Gold Coast Suns

[Eastdog]

If you were on the Bulldogs match committee what changes would you make for our round 10 game against Gold Coast Suns at Metricon Stadium?

As always a brief explanation for your changes would add a lot of value to the discussion.

[bulldogtragic]

I think we can safely say Jones is an out.

[GVGjr]

I think we can safely say Jones is an out.

A few question marks hanging over some players. Just as well we had some good performances with Footscray

I really hope Tom Williams comes good from his calf injury.

[Hotdog60]

Do we think Grant will come in for Dickson

[bulldogtragic]

Ins:

Bontempelli, Smith, Grant, Campbell

Ours:

Gia, Jones (susp), Tommy & Dickson (injured)

(Maybe Hrovat for Hunter, maybe)

[bornadog]

(Maybe Hrovat for Hunter, maybe)

or Honeychurch

[whythelongface]

Outs:

Jones; Williams; Dickson; Hunter; Gia

Ins

Campbell; Grant; Stevens; Bonts; Honeychurch

Maybe Smith instead of Stevens.

[Scorlibo]

Could we get an explanation from those listing Gia as an out?

Out: Jones (susp), Dickson (inj), Williams (inj), Hunter.
In: Redpath (can we do that?), Stevens, Bontempelli, Honeychurch.

[always right]

Out:
Jones (susp), Dickson (inj), Williams (if he doesn't come up), Hunter (omit)

In:
Campbell, Grant, Smith, Honeychurch,

[LostDoggy]

Could we get an explanation from those listing Gia as an out?

Out: Jones (susp), Dickson (inj), Williams (inj), Hunter.
In: Redpath (can we do that?), Stevens, Bontempelli, Honeychurch.

Ditto. Clearly you watched the reserves today :)

[boydogs]

Hunter seems to be the new Eagleton, does his best work in space and struggles in games where there isn't any. 3 forced changes are enough for me after a good win

Out: Jones, Dickson, Williams
In: Campbell, Smith, Grant

[G-Mo77]

In: Redpath (can we do that?)

Wondering that myself. Really good today and Jones and Williams will miss time. I don't think we can unless there is an LTI but there is a lot of fine print I don't know about.

[jeemak]

Out - Williams and Jones

In - Cordy and Grant

Cordy needs a game, Grant is an obvious in if he gets through injury free, as his attributes are needed to complete our forward line.

If Dickson is out, I think I'd like Honeychurch to get his taste.

[LostDoggy]

Hunter seems to be the new Eagleton, does his best work in space and struggles in games where there isn't any. 3 forced changes are enough for me after a good win

Out: Jones, Dickson, Williams
In: Campbell, Smith, Grant

That looks right to me. I would have preferred more VFL time for grant but hands are tied.

[1eyedog]

Hunter seems to be the new Eagleton, does his best work in space and struggles in games where there isn't any. 3 forced changes are enough for me after a good win

Out: Jones, Dickson, Williams
In: Campbell, Smith, Grant

Goods ins I would go with this too.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Out:
Jones (susp), Dickson & Williams both injured

In:
Campbell, Grant, Smith

Can see why we would make any further changes but if so I would leave out Hunter and play Honeychurch. I think that GC will be a tough game.

[GVGjr]

Out's - Jones (susp) Williams (inj) Dickson (inj) and Hunter

In's Campbell, Grant, Smith and Goodes or Stevens

Goodes should be rewarded after two solid performances for Footscray. Smith should be ready now. Campbell is needed to cover the loss of Williams and Jones and Grant slots back in to cover Dickson.

[G-Mo77]

I think Campbell will have to come in and while it's not ideal after just one game Grant as well. Pity there is no VFL this week.

We'll lose 3 of our forwards, 2 of them talls so it'll be interesting to see what they do on the selection table. Hope it pours raining and we can get away with having a short team.

Pray for rain! :)

[Bulldog Joe]

Out's - Jones (susp) Williams (inj) Dickson (inj) and Hunter

In's Campbell, Grant, Smith and Goodes or Stevens

Goodes should be rewarded after two solid performances for Footscray. Smith should be ready now. Campbell is needed to cover the loss of Williams and Jones and Grant slots back in to cover Dickson.

From the VFL game I would prefer Cordy over Campbell. More agility shown by Ayce and he competes when the ball is on the deck.

Would also prefer to keep Hunter in. We are going to lose 3 forwards as forced changes.

[GVGjr]

From the VFL game I would prefer Cordy over Campbell. More agility shown by Ayce and he competes when the ball is on the deck.

Would also prefer to keep Hunter in. We are going to lose 3 forwards as forced changes.

I gave Cordy vs Campbell a bit of thought. I could be talked into making that change.

I was also concerned about making too many changes in the forward line but I think Hunter might benefit by getting a bit of the footy at Footscray.

[Scorlibo]

I gave Cordy vs Campbell a bit of thought. I could be talked into making that change.

I was also concerned about making too many changes in the forward line but I think Hunter might benefit by getting a bit of the footy at Footscray.

I'm also inclined to say Cordy if we're going for one of the two. He played well for Footscray and would have even been a dominant performance had he taken a few opportunities to score.

[Rocco Jones]

Anyone able to answer if we can play Redpath? If so, I would have him in.

In- Dickson, Jones, Williams (if injured)
Out- Smith, Redpath, Grant

Redpath to offer ruck support for Minson which is basically 10% TOG. Really have very little faith in either Cordy or Campbell playing the 2nd ruck role at VFL level.

[chef]

Anyone able to answer if we can play Redpath? If so, I would have him in.

In- Dickson, Jones, Williams (if injured)
Out- Smith, Redpath, Grant

Redpath to offer ruck support for Minson which is basically 10% TOG. Really have very little faith in either Cordy or Campbell playing the 2nd ruck role at VFL level.

I guess that depends on how long Dickson's out and if he can go on the LTIL

[always right]

Anyone able to answer if we can play Redpath? If so, I would have him in.

In- Dickson, Jones, Williams (if injured)
Out- Smith, Redpath, Grant

Redpath to offer ruck support for Minson which is basically 10% TOG. Really have very little faith in either Cordy or Campbell playing the 2nd ruck role at VFL level.
Surprised you don't think Campbell can play the second ruck role (I assume you meant AFL). That's one thing I'm sure he can do.....it's whether he can have a more impactful presence up forward that's the question.

[Scorlibo]

Surprised you don't think Campbell can play the second ruck role (I assume you meant AFL). That's one thing I'm sure he can do.....it's whether he can have a more impactful presence up forward that's the question.

I presume Rocco's definition of the second ruck role includes the ability to play forward for substantial periods in the game.

[azabob]

BMAC said today that Roughead will be available for the game agains the Suns.

Surely not? Would he come straight back in?

[F'scary]

BMAC said today that Roughead will be available for the game agains the Suns.

Surely not? Would he come straight back in?

That would free up Roberts to be given a go up forward in the absence of Jones and Williams.

I can't believe posters are advocating a return of Cordy. He is a complete dud and a waste of space on our list.

I think Hunter should be given a spell too.

[Bulldog Joe]

That would free up Roberts to be given a go up forward in the absence of Jones and Williams.

I can't believe posters are advocating a return of Cordy. He is a complete dud and a waste of space on our list.

I think Hunter should be given a spell too.

I take it you either didn't watch the VFL game on ABC or you have simply set your opinion in concrete.

[Rocco Jones]

I presume Rocco's definition of the second ruck role includes the ability to play forward for substantial periods in the game.

Not only includes, absolutely the vast majority of time is there. When you're a 2nd ruck to a ruckman like Minson, it means you will spend about 10-15% TOG in the ruck and 70-80% forward. Basically whoever plays the role will spend 6-7 times as long up forward than in the ruck.

[Remi Moses]

Goods ins I would go with this too.

Ditto for me
GC strong midfield must ensure we play another mid

[Remi Moses]

Anyone able to answer if we can play Redpath? If so, I would have him in.

In- Dickson, Jones, Williams (if injured)
Out- Smith, Redpath, Grant

Redpath to offer ruck support for Minson which is basically 10% TOG. Really have very little faith in either Cordy or Campbell playing the 2nd ruck role at VFL level.

Are we able to upgrade Redpath? If they can he may get a gig

[Pickenitup]

Great News If Roughy can play frees Stringer to go forward.
In Grant Roughead Stevens Campbell
Out Jones Dickson Williams Hunter

[bulldogtragic]

Dickson apparently looking at 12 weeks. I think that means we could promote. Rookie.

Tory must be happy he signed on so early! :)

[Dry Rot]

Are we able to upgrade Redpath? If they can he may get a gig

Thoughts on Redpath's game in the VFL? With Jones about to be hung, drawn and quartered and Dickson's injury, we could promote him.

Unleash the beast!

[Greystache]

From the VFL game I would prefer Cordy over Campbell. More agility shown by Ayce and he competes when the ball is on the deck.

Would also prefer to keep Hunter in. We are going to lose 3 forwards as forced changes.

I thought the only time we didn't dominate the game was the period in the 3rd quarter where we had Cordy as our deep target and continually kicked the ball to him. The delivery was good, the opposition pressure poor, he just wasn't able to take a mark or impact the game in any way. Once we got him out of there the goals started flowing again.

I'd choose Campbell every time. The 5 mins a quarter Cordy would play in the ruck is not worth carrying a passenger for the rest of the game.

[GVGjr]

Are we able to upgrade Redpath? If they can he may get a gig

We would need to put someone else on the LTI.

[Dry Rot]

We would need to put someone else on the LTI.

Dickson?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Also would like to see Redpath, if possible.

Has improved quite a bit the few times I've seen him this year, and I like that he as a genuine physical presence, as this is something Jones and Williams don't really have.

(Not having a go at Jones/Williams - they just aren't physical, aggressive key forwards and we need one or two).

[GVGjr]

Dickson?

I suppose it's a chance.

[G-Mo77]

Dickson apparently looking at 12 weeks. I think that means we could promote. Rookie.

Tory must be happy he signed on so early! :)

SMH. That's horrible news. :(

[Greystache]

We would need to put someone else on the LTI.

Fox footy reporting Dickson may have a torn pectoral and could be out for 12 weeks.

[F'scary]

I take it you either didn't watch the VFL game on ABC or you have simply set your opinion in concrete.

Ok, let's give him ONE LAST go.

Campbell has not exactly set the world on fire, I suppose.

[F'scary]

I thought the only time we didn't dominate the game was the period in the 3rd quarter where we had Cordy as our deep target and continually kicked the ball to him. The delivery was good, the opposition pressure poor, he just wasn't able to take a mark or impact the game in any way. Once we got him out of there the goals started flowing again.

I'd choose Campbell every time. The 5 mins a quarter Cordy would play in the ruck is not worth carrying a passenger for the rest of the game.

Ah Ha! There! I rest my case. Permission to play Cordy withdrawn.

[bornadog]

The coach said on Friday he has plenty of patience for both Cordy and Campbell and is in no hurry.

If Dickson is out for the long term, I would bring in Redpath.

[kruder]

Ins

Bonts Stevens Campbell

outs

Williams Jones Dickson

One things for sure Stevens will be in. Was fantastic yesterday and was unlucky not to be playing against Melbourne.

Was very keen for the dogs to get Bonts and still think the extended highlights package of him on the dogs website is as good as you will see. I think he will be better than Macrae with his left foot to do significantly more damage.

I liked the cameo from Grant but i can't see him being fit enough after 2.5 quarters of VFL footy. Can't wait to see him in our forward line again.

Wallis was great at winning the ball but continues to rush his disposal out of the clearance. Not sure what we are going to do with him.

Hunter might be lucky with 3 forced changes already but Smith is ready to come in.

[bornadog]

One things for sure Stevens will be in. Was fantastic yesterday and was unlucky not to be playing against Melbourne.

Nickname is paramedic

[Scorlibo]

Ah Ha! There! I rest my case. Permission to play Cordy withdrawn.

Cordy played well. It's usually better to judge players on what they have done rather than what they haven't.

[boydogs]

Unleash the beast!

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[ReLoad]

Ins

Bonts Stevens Campbell

outs

Williams Jones Dickson

One things for sure Stevens will be in. Was fantastic yesterday and was unlucky not to be playing against Melbourne.



That's my changes too, Stevens and Bonts totally and epically dominated at stages, you could not say no based on their performances.

I'd take Campbell over redpath, but boy redpath is improving, I know big blokes take longer, but he is much improved.

As for Ayce, I hope he will be a good doctor.

[azabob]

Nickname is paramedic

According to who? A poster on here?

[bornadog]

According to who? A poster on here?

Me:D

Can't believe even at VFL level he dishes handballs to blokes standing a metre away from him and an opposition player next to the player receiving the hospital ball.

Personally, another week at VFL level till he learns to dispose the ball correctly.

[Hot_Doggies]

That's my changes too, Stevens and Bonts totally and epically dominated at stages, you could not say no based on their performances.

I'd take Campbell over redpath, but boy redpath is improving, I know big blokes take longer, but he is much improved.

As for Ayce, I hope he will be a good doctor.

What did Redpath do that was so good? I haven't watched the whole game yet, but his goals that I saw were cheapies out the back. I didn't see any marks or signs of great improvement.

[Remi Moses]

Thoughts on Redpath's game in the VFL? With Jones about to be hung, drawn and quartered and Dickson's injury, we could promote him.

Unleash the beast!

I particularly liked his attack on the ball and the player.
Looks good forward( he looked alright in the Willy game as well)Defintely on the improve .

[Happy Days]

In:

Grant The God, Bontempelli, Smith, Roughead apparently

Out:

Jones, Dickson, Williams, Roberts

Tough on Fletch but if Roughy is playing then he's the one to get squeezed out. If Roughy isn't playing then I'd bring in Campbell for Hunter.

The club will probably give Grant another game in the VFL but the club should stop being pussies.

[1eyedog]

Unleash the beast!

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That's a great tackle but probably all he did for the entire match.

[LostDoggy]

Would think that Wallis would come in to help Picken with Ablett, Omeara & Bennel

[LostDoggy]

I'm staggered at the calls for Redpath..

Played a decent game on Saturday. But the game prior at Ballarat he was awful. He needs more time and consistency. Would really struggle to see out an AFL match imo.

Bonts played as good a first half as you could hope for. Obviously fitness is holding him back. I would let him keep dominating at VFL level for a few more weeks.

Ins: Campbell, Smith, Stevens, Grant
Outs: Jones, Williams, Dickson, Hunter

I hate leaving Hunter out, he will be a special player for us. Just not doing enough at this stage.

Conditions will be not quite as bad as Darwin but similiar. Campbell just needs to compete and bring the ball down. We have enough talent and toughness in our forward half to get the job done. Especially with Smith and Stevens spending time down there.

[always right]

Considering Macca considered playing Grant straight up after a long break, there was nothing about his game for Footscray that would suggest he won't come into the side for the GC match.

[G-Mo77]

I'm staggered at the calls for Redpath..

Played a decent game on Saturday. But the game prior at Ballarat he was awful. He needs more time and consistency. Would really struggle to see out an AFL match imo.


Horses for courses call. We're down 2 tall forwards now so we need someone else to take their place. I'd have no problem with a Redpath selection.

[bornadog]

Horses for courses call. We're down 2 tall forwards now so we need someone else to take their place. I'd have no problem with a Redpath selection.

Its a shame Talia isnot playing better. He could take Roberts spot, and Roberts could be tried forward.

In effect we have lost half the forward line in one week.

[Hot_Doggies]

Its a shame Talia isnot playing better. He could take Roberts spot, and Roberts could be tried forward.

In effect we have lost half the forward line in one week.

Too slow to be a forward. Better off playing Campbell.

[Ozza]

Campbell for Jones
Grant for Dickson
Stevens for Williams

Would like to get Bontempelli into the side - and I suspect Macca would be wanting to take him to the Gold Coast for the interstate experience as well. I don't want Hunter to be omitted (think his game wasn't as bad has been stated). Would also like Clay Smith in the side, and Wallis has claims for selection too.

So it will be an interesting selection.

[azabob]

Campbell for Jones
Grant for Dickson
Stevens for Williams

Would like to get Bontempelli into the side - and I suspect Macca would be wanting to take him to the Gold Coast for the interstate experience as well. I don't want Hunter to be omitted (think his game wasn't as bad has been stated). Would also like Clay Smith in the side, and Wallis has claims for selection too.

So it will be an interesting selection.

How come you have picked Stevens rather than Smith?

Do you see Stevens playing permanent forward?

[lemmon]

Too slow to be a forward. Better off playing Campbell.

Roberts? I thought he looked okay for pace on the weekend

[GVGjr]

I'm staggered at the calls for Redpath..

Played a decent game on Saturday. But the game prior at Ballarat he was awful. He needs more time and consistency. Would really struggle to see out an AFL match imo.



I must admit that I haven't seen enough positives from him that should earn him a promotion. It won't surprise me if we do try him but I'd rather have another look at Austin.

[azabob]

I must admit that I haven't seen enough positives from him that should earn him a promotion. It won't surprise me if we do try him but I'd rather have another look at Austin.

It appears Austin is last cab off the rank (behind Redpath).

I wonder why?

As he has performed at senior level when he has played. I think he is unlucky.

[Bulldog Joe]

If Dickson is LTI we can upgrade a rookie.

I would go with Redpath. He cqn play either end. He has some pace. He can take a mark. He can also pinch hit in the ruck.

Sort of meets the criteria for a modern day 2nd ruck.

I thought he looked good back in the NAB games and he certainly showed something forward against Sandringham. I concede he has yet to show consistency.

My changes would then be.

Redpath for Williams
Grant for Dickson
Roughead (allegedly fit) for Jones.

This would give some flexibility with both Rough and Redpath able to do some ruck work or give cover down back if needed.

[bornadog]

If Dickson is LTI we can upgrade a rookie. .

With Roughead coming back, does this mean Jong must go back as a rookie, and if so, would Jong just take Dicksons spot and keep his upgrade going?

[Mofra]

Is Footscray playing this weekend?

If so I'd love to see who performs this weekend too, espeically knowing we have some guaranteed AFL outs

[Mofra]

With Roughead coming back, does this mean Jong must go back as a rookie, and if so, would Jong just take Dicksons spot and keep his upgrade going?
Pretty sure there's a mid year rule allowing one rookie to be upgraded anyway.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Is Footscray playing this weekend?

If so I'd love to see who performs this weekend too, espeically knowing we have some guaranteed AFL outs

No Footscray also have the bye

[Ozza]

How come you have picked Stevens rather than Smith?

Do you see Stevens playing permanent forward?

Yeah - with the outs from the forward line I would be playing Stevens as a half forward. He's big enough and good enough overhead to be a 3rd tall type marking target.

I really want Smith to be in the side. I'm not sure exactly where he slots in right now unless its in the midfield - and I'm not sure who would drop out.

[azabob]

Yeah - with the outs from the forward line I would be playing Stevens as a half forward. He's big enough and good enough overhead to be a 3rd tall type marking target.

I really want Smith to be in the side. I'm not sure exactly where he slots in right now unless its in the midfield - and I'm not sure who would drop out.

I also agree with your reasoning. Stevens is also a reliable kick for goal.

Between Smith, Stevens, Hrovat, Wallis and Bontempelli there is tough competition for spots. Fingers crossed injuries are kept to a minimum.

[Bulldog Joe]

With Roughead coming back, does this mean Jong must go back as a rookie, and if so, would Jong just take Dicksons spot and keep his upgrade going?

Probably so, but as he seems to be now out of the side any rookie upgrade from Dickson, should be someone we want to play now.


Pretty sure there's a mid year rule allowing one rookie to be upgraded anyway.

I think this applies after round 11 or perhaps round 12 since that is where every side is at after they have played 11 games.

[LostDoggy]

Outs:

Dickson
Williams
Jones



Ins:

Bontempelli (D)
Stevens (W)
Redpath (J)


Leave Roughead until after the bye to make sure. No point risking aggravating his injury against their monster forward line.
Redpath to interchange back and forward in Williams’ role, and pinch in the ruck. Good first test for him.
Stevens and Bontempelli to share the second/third forward/midfield roles

[The Pie Man]

Any word on the results of Williams' scan?

If definitely out, then...

In: Roughead, Bont, Stevens, Grant
Out: Williams, Jones, Dickson, Hunter/Gia

Stringer can of course play forward, though he looked OK down back - could Rough try the role he was initially drafted for?

[azabob]

Leave Roughead until after the bye to make sure. No point risking aggravating his injury against their monster forward line.


FYI - this game is after our bye.

[LostDoggy]

Lol cheers Aza. That changes everything.

[azabob]

Lol cheers Aza. That changes everything.

Regardless of when our bye is though does Roughead play a game at VFL level before coming straight back in?

[LostDoggy]

Wouldn't have thought so. He'd have the fitness base up from before his injury and the discipline runs on the board that Macca likes.

[josie]

Out:
Jones (susp), Dickson & Williams both injured

In:
Campbell, Grant, Smith

Can see why we would make any further changes but if so I would leave out Hunter and play Honeychurch. I think that GC will be a tough game.

Yarp - agree with this. Could also be Hrovat instead of Honeychurch but would love to see Sweet Jesus get a go.

Would also love to see Bontempelli play again but at expense of whom?

Did anyone hear Gilbee (coaching with Saints and who watched Dogs play their affiliate side) on radio give Hrovat a big wrap - said something like he thinks Hrovat will be very like/as good as Boomer Harvey. YES PLEASE !!!!

[Remi Moses]

Said Hrovat had the potential to be better than Jack Macrae .
That would be pleasing

[F'scary]

Yarp - agree with this. Could also be Hrovat instead of Honeychurch but would love to see Sweet Jesus get a go.

Would also love to see Bontempelli play again but at expense of whom?

Did anyone hear Gilbee (coaching with Saints and who watched Dogs play their affiliate side) on radio give Hrovat a big wrap - said something like he thinks Hrovat will be very like/as good as Boomer Harvey. YES PLEASE !!!!


Said Hrovat had the potential to be better than Jack Macrae .
That would be pleasing

Hrovat, Honeychuch, Bontempelli. Time for Gia to play VFL until the goodbye game later in the season?

[stefoid]

nah, I dont like the kids missing a whole game of VFL so they can play 20 minutes of AFL. Leave Gia the sub and give the kids a whole game when tey can manage it.

[bornadog]

Any word on the results of Williams' scan?

Strained calf and could end up playing next week depending how he trains.

[LostDoggy]

Great result. Have been quietly anticipating the old 8-10 week "worse than we thought...." Would be great if we can get Williams and Roughy in the team together to straighten us up.

[F'scary]

Strained calf and could end up playing next week depending how he trains.


Great result. Have been quietly anticipating the old 8-10 week "worse than we thought...." Would be great if we can get Williams and Roughy in the team together to straighten us up.

Remember, this is Williams we are talking about. I'll wait until I see him run onto the ground.

[bornadog]

Remember, this is Williams we are talking about. I'll wait until I see him run onto the ground.

If he can run:D

[F'scary]

If he can run:D

Seems to play better when he can't!

[The Pie Man]

Williams still a chance for this week - sounds like Roughead & Grant are likely inclusions.
Macca flagged Stringer to continue playing down back - which I'm happy with

[bornadog]

Out: Dickson, Jones

In: Grant, Smith

EDIT: After reading Macca's press conference, seems Tommy may not come up and he is favouring bringing in Roughead. He may bring Roughead in and move Stringer back to the forward line to replace Tom.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Williams still a chance for this week - sounds like Roughead & Grant are likely inclusions.
Macca flagged Stringer to continue playing down back - which I'm happy with

We need both Roughead and Grant to add some badly needed composure down back and class up forward. I am yet to be convinced about Stringer as a defender and believe at this stage of his development is better served as a forward. I would like to see Smith come in and also Wallis as a double tag with Picken on the dangerous Ablett. Given the improvement of Wood and Higgins as defenders, it might be time to move Murphy to half forward in an attempt to overcome an obvious weakness.

[Ozza]

Press conference sounded like Roughead will certainly play (assuming he had no issues at training) and that Grant was a very good chance.

Tom Williams touch and go.

Stringer to stay down back for a while yet.

[bornadog]

Press conference sounded like Roughead will certainly play (assuming he had no issues at training) and that Grant was a very good chance.

Tom Williams touch and go.

Stringer to stay down back for a while yet.

If Williams is out, then the forward line needs a dramatic change with three out.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Assuming Williams won't play (sounded unlikely) and Jones is suspended, Campbell has to be included.

Will be interesting to see if we select Grant. Ideal world he'd have another couple of games in the VFL, but with potentially 3 forwards out, we might not have a choice.

[azabob]

If Roughead plays the most likely out is Fletcher Roberts, with Stringer likely to stay down back.

With the forward line being hit with injuries and suspension what is the likelihood of Roberts playing down forward?

The other question is if Williams is out injured & Jones suspended do we need to bring in Campbell for the second ruck option?

[bornadog]

Official

IN



Jordan Roughead,
Mitch Wallis,
Marcus Bontempelli,
Clay Smith,
Nathan Hrovat,
Koby Stevens,
Brett Goodes



OUT


OUT


Tom Williams (Calf),
Tory Dickson (Pectoral),
Jason Johannisen (Omitted),
Liam Jones (Suspension)

[G-Mo77]

Surprised at JJ's omission. Thought he did well against Melbourne.

A real shame Williams will miss after the hero's performance last game, better to play it safe though.

Love seeing Roughy back!

[The Pie Man]

WTF did JJ do?

[GVGjr]

Full back
L Picken J Roughead E Wood
Half back
S Higgins D Morris R Murphy
Centreline
A Cooney R Griffen J Macrae
Half forward
D Giansiracusa J Stringer J Tutt
Full forward
L Dahlhaus S Crameri F Roberts
Followers
W Minson M Boyd T Liberatore
Interchange (from):
M Wallis M Bontempelli C Smith
N Hrovat K Stevens L Hunter
B Goodes

[Before I Die]

WTF did JJ do?

Possibly the answer is, not as much as Bontempelli, Smith and Hrovat.

[Remi Moses]

JJ a bit stiff . Thought they may have rushed Grant in with the forward outs.
There was a story ( I know grain of salt required) that JJ and Hunter got on the turps.
Might be B/S as it was on Teen footy

[The Underdog]

JJ a bit stiff . Thought they may have rushed Grant in with the forward outs.
There was a story ( I know grain of salt required) that JJ and Hunter got on the turps.
Might be B/S as it was on Teen footy

On the turps on a week off...the bastards
Fine with the ins, although hope Wallis and Goodes aren't in the final team. Hope Smith gets a game.

[azabob]

Fletcher as second ruck?

[lemmon]

Fletcher as second ruck?

Looks like it will have to be

[F'scary]

The Angels have the phone box. Don't blink!

Western Bulldogs and Dr Who. A match made in heaven which covers just about all entertainment needs.

[GVGjr]

Fletcher as second ruck?

Why couldn't we use Roughead for a couple of 5 minute bursts?

[azabob]

Why couldn't we use Roughead for a couple of 5 minute bursts?

We could - and perhaps that is the plan, but it isn't the way i'd go.

He already will be spending time out of defence when he needs to come off for spells himself, which you think would be at least once a quarter and then having him help out with the ruck we could realistically go for 8 min a quarter without having him in defence.

I think it is more important to have Roughead down back for as much time as possible especially against the Suns who have a few big forwards who we will find hard to match up on to begin with.

[GVGjr]

We could - and perhaps that is the plan, but it isn't the way i'd go.

He already will be spending time out of defence when he needs to come off for spells himself, which you think would be at least once a quarter and then having him help out with the ruck we could realistically go for 8 min a quarter without having him in defence.

I think it is more important to have Roughead down back for as much time as possible especially against the Suns who have a few big forwards who we will find hard to match up on to begin with.

Ports Jackson Trengove plays a lot in the back line and also does some relief ruck work. I understand that the Suns have some tall boys but if you are suggesting Roberts could do some relief ruck work then he should be able to cover Roughy in the back line for a few spells as well.

[azabob]

Ports Jackson Trengove plays a lot in the back line and also does some relief ruck work. I understand that the Suns have some tall boys but if you are suggesting Roberts could do some relief ruck work then he should be able to cover Roughy in the back line for a few spells as well.

I was more asking the question since Campbell didn't come in, who is left to do the relief ruck work.

I will take your word on Trengrove, as I don't get to see the power much. Do they have a bit better structure and support down back with Carlile and Hombsch?

Having said that I think Roberts more than held his own against Melbourne in defence and should be able to do ok in defence. Being young is he capable of switching back and forward during quarters - or do you see Roberts playing mainly in defence on Sunday?

Time will tell, no ideal fix this week for the second ruck.

[jeemak]

I think this week we'll see each of Roughead and Roberts play ruck. Likewise forward at times.

The MC has IMO gone with a heavy midfield presence to try and lock down GC this week. I'm not sure our forward or defensive structure is the main concern of the match committee, the midfield is where it will be won or lost.

Get ready for an ugly game, if we have our way.

[DragzLS1]

We have certainly gone in to lock this game up with the mids. Gold Coast are the type of team that will cut you up big time if given too much time and space. We need to win the contested ball this week and keep it tight if we want to win this. Picken to Ablett. Smith to come on as sub who should have a great impact last in the game when both teams are tired. I'm feeling good about this 1 just like I did the Richmond game!

[kruder]

Official

IN



Jordan Roughead,
Mitch Wallis,
Marcus Bontempelli,
Clay Smith,
Nathan Hrovat,
Koby Stevens,
Brett Goodes



OUT


OUT


Tom Williams (Calf),
Tory Dickson (Pectoral),
Jason Johannisen (Omitted),
Liam Jones (Suspension)



One things for sure Hrovat won't be in. I'm a fan but the boys above played a far superior game in the VFL last time out. He needs to be in the bests a few weeks in a row before he deserves a spot.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Glad Roberts keeps his spot.

Will be interesting to see who the final four are.

[Happy Days]

No Grant = No buys.

JJ is very stiff and it doesn't make much sense from a match up perspective.

[jeemak]

No Grant = No buys.

JJ is very stiff and it doesn't make much sense from a match up perspective.

Unless you're putting a team in to crowd the ball.

[bornadog]

No Grant = No buys.

JJ is very stiff and it doesn't make much sense from a match up perspective.

we all thought JJ did well against Melbourne but obviously he mustn't have followed instructions

[LostDoggy]

Gee we are light on for talls.

As others have stated, we must be gearing up for a huge pressence around the ball and hoping the slippery conditions can help our undersized defence.

[Murphy'sLore]

Western Bulldogs and Dr Who. A match made in heaven which covers just about all entertainment needs.

When the TARDIS lands in my backyard, I'm going to ask to be taken straight to the Bulldogs next premiership.

[Mantis]

Unless you're putting a team in to crowd the ball.

And if/when we have the ball.. We just hack it forward?

[lemmon]

We could - and perhaps that is the plan, but it isn't the way i'd go.

He already will be spending time out of defence when he needs to come off for spells himself, which you think would be at least once a quarter and then having him help out with the ruck we could realistically go for 8 min a quarter without having him in defence.

I think it is more important to have Roughead down back for as much time as possible especially against the Suns who have a few big forwards who we will find hard to match up on to begin with.
Short 2 second clip of Roberts doing some ruck work in the opening to the recent 'Inside the Pack' video

[SlimPickens]

Think it'll be Koby, Clay and Bonts to come in. Hard to keep out after last weeks VFL performance.

[Go_Dogs]

And if/when we have the ball.. We just hack it forward?

Have you watched many of our games this year?

It'll be an ugly game, but we need to attempt to make it a grinding slog if we're to have any chance, and hope we can manufacture enough scoring chances and convert when we do.

[Go_Dogs]

Think it'll be Koby, Clay and Bonts to come in. Hard to keep out after last weeks VFL performance.

Koby to play as a forward?

[jeemak]

And if/when we have the ball.. We just hack it forward?

Well I don't think you're going to see precise ball movement to a well manned forward line, via a slick process.

The very best teams in the competition will have moments when they can't do this against GC. We're not often able to do it against the very worst teams. We don't have the cattle for that yet.

[LostDoggy]

When the TARDIS lands in my backyard, I'm going to ask to be taken straight to the Bulldogs next premiership.

Good idea bypassing the preliminary final.

[SlimPickens]

Koby to play as a forward?

Yep. Koby has one of the best work rates at the club. Wouldnt mind telling him to get on his bike
off a half forward flank and really try and work his man over.

[bornadog]

Yep. Koby has one of the best work rates at the club. Wouldnt mind telling him to get on his bike
off a half forward flank and really try and work his man over.
I don't mind him playing forward he is a pretty accurate shot. I am not sold on his midfield work mainly decision making and disposal.

[bulldogtragic]

I don't mind him playing forward he is a pretty accurate shot. I am not sold on his midfield work mainly decision making and disposal.
We agree again BAD. If he's a good footballer but his drawback or limitation is handballing in traffic then move him into an area where hopefully his decent kicking skills will be more used than panicked handballing.

[Greystache]

Yep. Koby has one of the best work rates at the club. Wouldnt mind telling him to get on his bike
off a half forward flank and really try and work his man over.

Pretty strong overhead too.

[azabob]

Short 2 second clip of Roberts doing some ruck work in the opening to the recent 'Inside the Pack' video

Do you expect Fletcher or Roughead to provide ruck relief?

[LostDoggy]

Do you expect Fletcher or Roughead to provide ruck relief?

Coming back from a shoulder early I wouldn't be expecting Roughy to be doing any Ruck work at all. He is far to important to us and running that risk in a 30/70 away game would be ludicrous.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him start forward, less to shoulder. Sit him 30 out and let Crammers lead up. Fletcher backline and relief at that end.

I hope Macca has set Wallis for this game a couple of weeks back, I don't like him and Picken playing same side but we will need both our stoppers for this. Make it an absolute inside game. Hit them with everything straight in the guts.

[LostDoggy]

Hunter also omitted. 5 changes.

Wallis and Hrovat others who have missed out.

[LostDoggy]

Wish the game was tomorrow, 27 sunny sunday. Glad we've had a week off. Going to be hard to shut down
a game in them conditions. We are not ready to take em on yet.

[LostDoggy]

Hunter also omitted. 5 changes.

Wallis and Hrovat others who have missed out.

Well there goes the Wallis theory.

[LostDoggy]

When the TARDIS lands in my backyard, I'm going to ask to be taken straight to the Bulldogs next premiership.

Be careful you might wake up and be 108 years old :D

[lemmon]

Do you expect Fletcher or Roughead to provide ruck relief?

I'd expect Fletch, just seems less of a reshuffle if Roberts rucks rather than having to put Roughy in then send Fletch onto Jordan's man

[Bulldog4life]

JJ a bit stiff . Thought they may have rushed Grant in with the forward outs.
There was a story ( I know grain of salt required) that JJ and Hunter got on the turps.
Might be B/S as it was on Teen footy

They both were dropped. Interesting.

[LostDoggy]

They both were dropped. Interesting.

Without knowing the full story, if true, I dont really see the problem on the week off. There wasn't any trouble, no media story what's wrong with a couple of young blokes havin some fun? Fair enough if they missed a session or turned up half asleep. But I'd like to think they were dropped for work rate not the other. The year is long enough as it is for them.

[Remi Moses]

Yes and they're well renumerated for playing football.
If there was protocols or behaviours broken then they get what they deserve.
If that was the case

[lemmon]

Without knowing the full story, if true, I dont really see the problem on the week off. There wasn't any trouble, no media story what's wrong with a couple of young blokes havin some fun? Fair enough if they missed a session or turned up half asleep. But I'd like to think they were dropped for work rate not the other. The year is long enough as it is for them.

You'd have to know the internal policies. If the playing group had enforced an alcohol restriction on itself than I have no problem on how it's been handled

[F'scary]

What is the strategy with bringing Goodes in? Is it to make Stevens' disposal look better?

[Pickenitup]

I reckon Goodes coming back in means Murphy to go forward.
Like the ins just would have liked Campbell to come in just makes our forward line look more dangerous.

[F'scary]

What is the strategy with bringing Goodes in? Is it to make Stevens' disposal look better?

I would have liked to see Hrovat in.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

I reckon Goodes coming back in means Murphy to go forward.
Like the ins just would have liked Campbell to come in just makes our forward line look more dangerous.
With Jones Williams and Dickson all missing from the attack it would have been ideal to bring back Grant and Campbell to the forward line along with the move as you suggested of Murphy.
Minson has been only average in the ruck this year and yet we are still content to experiment with a non-ruckman as Will's back up.
I look forward to the day when ever that will be that our attack looks potent enough to match good opposition.

[comrade]

I don't think its a bad thing to reward Goodes. He was easily our best in that shocker down in Ballarat.

I'd rather give guys game time on the back of good performances than give the gold ticket to those not in form. It's now up to JJ & Hunter to earn their way back in.

[Mantis]

Have you watched many of our games this year?



Watched them all.

[Eastdog]

How do you guys see us structuring up forward which will be important when delivery of the ball gets in the 50. At times 2 weeks ago we were all over the shop up there.

[Before I Die]

When the TARDIS lands in my backyard, I'm going to ask to be taken straight to the Bulldogs next premiership.

I am starting to worry that that may be the only way I can get there.

[bornadog]

What is the strategy with bringing Goodes in? Is it to make Stevens' disposal look better?
I think with JJ out, Goodes comes in.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

How do you guys see us structuring up forward which will be important when delivery of the ball gets in the 50. At times 2 weeks ago we were all over the shop up there.

You have raised an important point about the forward line structure. I cannot see much improvement until we establish a dedicated CHF and FF. It will not happen on Sunday but I reckon we could do worse than try Roberts At CHF as he was drafted as a forward and Liam Jones at FF. Crameri and Dahlhaus would then play as half forward flankers with Grant and Hrovat playing out of forward pockets.
This would leave Minson and Campbell to alternate as ruck men off the interchange bench with Campbell providing some relief as a resting forward. Stringer IMO is still a work in progress and still needs to spend more time at Footscray VFL level. I am yet to be convinced that Williams is a forward in spite of his brave efforts whilst injured against Melbourne. Crameri proved at Essendon that he was best suited as a forward flanker and yet we have often used him in the key attack roles. Our forward line has been very poor now for the past 3 years and is in need of a major overhaul.

[Remi Moses]

They've developed Roberts as a key back, and that's where he's been playing in the VFL.
Would have rolled the dice with Jarryd Grant personally.

[Eastdog]

You have raised an important point about the forward line structure. I cannot see much improvement until we establish a dedicated CHF and FF. It will not happen on Sunday but I reckon we could do worse than try Roberts At CHF as he was drafted as a forward and Liam Jones at FF. Crameri and Dahlhaus would then play as half forward flankers with Grant and Hrovat playing out of forward pockets.
This would leave Minson and Campbell to alternate as ruck men off the interchange bench with Campbell providing some relief as a resting forward. Stringer IMO is still a work in progress and still needs to spend more time at Footscray VFL level. I am yet to be convinced that Williams is a forward in spite of his brave efforts whilst injured against Melbourne. Crameri proved at Essendon that he was best suited as a forward flanker and yet we have often used him in the key attack roles. Our forward line has been very poor now for the past 3 years and is in need of a major overhaul.

Yeah it's frustrating NBP. Do you reckon Campbell can develop into a good forward option up there. Jones has been good at times this year but is at the same time very frustrating. He just isn't very consistent. What are your thoughts on Jones.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Yeah it's frustrating NBP. Do you reckon Campbell can develop into a good forward option up there. Jones has been good at times this year but is at the same time very frustrating. He just isn't very consistent. What are your thoughts on Jones.

I still see Campbell ideally as a ruck man who eventually will take over the number one mantle from Minson. In a good team Jones would probably rank as a third tall forward and yet in the past couple of years he has been our number one badly lacking in support. Crameri has eased the pressure somewhat and so would have Grant if he had been fit enough to play. I see the MC trying to make Campbell into a key forward when his style of game is better suited as a ruck man. Chris Dawes would have been handy right now as a key forward when we did make a strong bid for his services before choosing Melbourne.

[Remi Moses]

The ruckmen who play forward successfully are as rare as hens teeth.
Tom's a ruck men waiting for his chance

[jeemak]

I don't think Campbell has been given enough of a run, though when he did play he was less than terrible. From all reports his form at Footscray has been OK, but nothing brilliant.

If Grant was right he'd be in the team, but the MC probably think he's too underdone or potentially in need of a harder effort to get his head up to the level required for him to be productive at the senior level.

Eastdog - I think we're going to see a very small forward structure, and I'm not convinced Roberts will spend a lot of time there in any event, irrespective of being named forward this week.

Expect us to play all of our forwards high, with the plan to be accountable to GC defenders across our half forward line, with a big gap closer to goal for Crameri and our smaller players to run into. I just don't see an open game at all, which will mean more forwards in the midfield than there are in the forward line for most of game.

[jeemak]

As for Will and a second ruck changing from the bench for the majority of the game, I couldn't think of a better way to put as at a disadvantage from a rotation perspective.

I'd be disappointed if we went this way. Our second ruck needs to play forward, whoever it is.

[Remi Moses]

As for Will and a second ruck changing from the bench for the majority of the game, I couldn't think of a better way to put as at a disadvantage from a rotation perspective.

I'd be disappointed if we went this way. Our second ruck needs to play forward, whoever it is.
It's a massive issue for most clubs, the whole second ruck conundrum.
Besides Hale, bloody hard for those big blokes to put forward pressure on.

[jeemak]

It's a massive issue for most clubs, the whole second ruck conundrum.
Besides Hale, bloody hard for those big blokes to put forward pressure on.

I suppose the way the game's headed this past decade, premium talls around the ground have become fewer and farther between simply due to the expectation that's placed on them. There's just not enough tall talent to be good enough as a first ruck and resting forward, and a tall forward who rucks.

The lack of interchange has meant they need to be on the ground for longer, and whoever is swapping with them needs to be able to be very dangerous up forward for fear of giving the opposition defence a clear run out.

If we can crack it with Campbell or Cordy then great, as Will is having to do too much right now and it's showing in his output. I'm not sold on either of the aforementioned being able to help Will out.

[Go_Dogs]

Watched them all.

And was clean ball movement a part of any of them? I'm sorry, because I feel like I'm taking the p!!s, but I'm not - I'm actually curious as to what you think we might be aiming to do. Surely we're realistic enough not to believe we will create more clean ball forward of centre without making it a massive congested scrap around the ball.

Whilst we are moving in the right direction generally, we are not yet good enough or have enough skill (and it sucks saying that against a team that's been in the league for such a short while) to win the game. If we can make it a scrap and make the most of our opportunities we're a chance. I'd rather that at this point over anything else we're capable of dishing up.

(Apologies if my post seems negative, that's not my intention, but I feel we are a fair bit off the pace, and I'd love for us to at least play some football on our terms and try to scavenge a win)

[Twodogs]

When the TARDIS lands in my backyard, I'm going to ask to be taken straight to the Bulldogs next premiership.

I call shotgun.

[jeemak]

And was clean ball movement a part of any of them? I'm sorry, because I feel like I'm taking the p!!s, but I'm not - I'm actually curious as to what you think we might be aiming to do. Surely we're realistic enough not to believe we will create more clean ball forward of centre without making it a massive congested scrap around the ball.

Whilst we are moving in the right direction generally, we are not yet good enough or have enough skill (and it sucks saying that against a team that's been in the league for such a short while) to win the game. If we can make it a scrap and make the most of our opportunities we're a chance. I'd rather that at this point over anything else we're capable of dishing up.

(Apologies if my post seems negative, that's not my intention, but I feel we are a fair bit off the pace, and I'd love for us to at least play some football on our terms and try to scavenge a win)

You and your ongoing negative rubbish G16!.......... :)

I think you've summed it up pretty well. One thing Bmac mentioned in the "Stringer" press conference on the 22nd was that it would be fun to have all of our cattle on the park at one time. I agree with him, but I'm not under any sort of illusion that we'll magically move the ball better when that happens.

We're too rough, and exposed from a developed skills perspective even with our best side on the park.

[Mantis]

And was clean ball movement a part of any of them? I'm sorry, because I feel like I'm taking the p!!s, but I'm not - I'm actually curious as to what you think we might be aiming to do. Surely we're realistic enough not to believe we will create more clean ball forward of centre without making it a massive congested scrap around the ball.



The discussion was about JJ and what he can bring to the team... He brings a point of difference in that he can run & carry the ball... Something we seriously lack.

His form hasn't been great this year, but he showed some signs against Melb that he was on the improve.. To drop him based on form is poor if that's the case.

I know what we are trying to do, clog it up, but from reports the weather is great up there and I doubt the game will be suited to a 'slog' which is often the case when games are played at night time at Metricon.... If the game opens up we will be in for some pain.

[Scorlibo]

I know JJ showed positive signs, but ultimately his game against Melbourne was still very poor. I couldn't pick out a player who was worse. Hunter if anyone.

[Go_Dogs]

The discussion was about JJ and what he can bring to the team... He brings a point of difference in that he can run & carry the ball... Something we seriously lack.

His form hasn't been great this year, but he showed some signs against Melb that he was on the improve.. To drop him based on form is poor if that's the case.

I know what we are trying to do, clog it up, but from reports the weather is great up there and I doubt the game will be suited to a 'slog' which is often the case when games are played at night time at Metricon.... If the game opens up we will be in for some pain.

Sorry, my post was a bit misguided then. I don't disagree with you on JJ, but that being said, I'm happy with the ins this week and content for JJ to spend a few more weeks at Footscray and find some really strong form before being promoted again.

As you say, hopefully the game doesn't open up tomorrow, because we'll really struggle.

[Happy Days]

Unless you're putting a team in to crowd the ball.

As suggested in the excellent match preview thread

[Murphy'sLore]

I call shotgun.

And then on to Agincourt? :)

[Hotdog60]

You'd have to know the internal policies. If the playing group had enforced an alcohol restriction on itself than I have no problem on how it's been handled

I wonder if they were at Clay Smith's 21st over the weekend?