Time to Upgrade Big Jack

[bornadog]

43 Jack Redpath
Height 194

Weight 100 kg

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/WesternBulldogs/Player%20Profiles/2014%20-%20Profiles/REDPATH%20Jack.png


We need a bloke that can take a mark, is mobile and kicks goals. Big Jack has kicked 14 at VFL level, time to stick him in the goal square and see how he goes.





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Richmond Tigers
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Sun 13/Apr (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157674&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
Williamstown
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Sun 20/Apr (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157755&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
Northern Blues
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Bendigo Gold
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North Ballarat
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Sat 10/May (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157840&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
Sandringham
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Sat 24/May (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157747&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
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[chef]

Can't hurt and gives us to check him out before the seasons out

[Webby]

Firstly, a question I'd ask is how Cordy's stats compare to Redpath's.

Secondly, just a point that, without a key tall forward target, our guys fatigue. It's a lot less effort to kick long to a target than to have to constantly scrap for goals. Thus our vulnerability to being 'broken' in my opinion.

Thirdly, last year my circle of mates discussed that a trade of pick 4 + Minson for Patton or pick 1 (effectively Boyd) would be the way to go. I posted it on Woof, for the record. Thoughts were that Minson's stocks would never be higher, whilst Cordy is not a forward and Campbell would do well to spend a season developing in the ruck.

Anyway, Redpath's might be okay, but we clearly need to trade and trade aggressively for a key forward. Either that, or throw a big deal at a key forward or go all out at a trade up for pick 1 and get the best tall 18 year old forward in the country.

We have the midfield talent (albeit a bit inside-heavy). The glaring issue for us is a quality tall target. Redpath's could be worth a try. Why not? However the odds of that working out are pretty remote.

I'd rather play the percentages and invest heavily in blue-chip stocks.

[bornadog]

Firstly, a question I'd ask is how Cordy's stats compare to Redpath's.

Secondly, just a point that, without a key tall forward target, our guys fatigue. It's a lot less effort to kick long to a target than to have to constantly scrap for goals. Thus our vulnerability to being 'broken' in my opinion.

Thirdly, last year my circle of mates discussed that a trade of pick 4 + Minson for Patton or pick 1 (effectively Boyd) would be the way to go. I posted it on Woof, for the record. Thoughts were that Minson's stocks would never be higher, whilst Cordy is not a forward and Campbell would do well to spend a season developing in the ruck.

Anyway, Redpath's might be okay, but we clearly need to trade and trade aggressively for a key forward. Either that, or throw a big deal at a key forward or go all out at a trade up for pick 1 and get the best tall 18 year old forward in the country.

We have the midfield talent (albeit a bit inside-heavy). The glaring issue for us is a quality tall target. Redpath's could be worth a try. Why not? However the odds of that working out are pretty remote.

I'd rather play the percentages and invest heavily in blue-chip stocks.

Cordy



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Sun 13/Apr (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157674&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
Williamstown
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Sun 20/Apr (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157755&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
Northern Blues
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Fri 25/Apr (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157841&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
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Sun 4/May (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157750&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
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Sat 10/May (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124157840&client=1-118-150490-294689-20320223)
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Coburg
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[Webby]

Okay. I actually saw Cordy kick 5 (should've been 7) against Richmond in rd 1, so thought there might be some cheapies available in the VFL. Redpath's numbers seem reasonable of late. McCartney is probably managing him to get his fitness base up prior to throwing him in. That's the biggest step for a guy like him and they might want him to develop defensively. ie growing his tank.

In a perfect world, you'd probably give him another month, but in the circumstances, it might be time.

One positive that might've come out of today (and I'm clutching, here!) is that perhaps Liam Jones might get a little bit more kudos. He's often frustrating, but he does provide a contest and now has a reasonable tank/defensive game. We clearly missed him today. In the circumstances, it mightn't be a bad idea to promote Redpath. He has more chance of making it than at least a couple of on the senior list. Dickson's on the long term injury list, isn't he? The opportunity's there..

[G-Mo77]

I don't see any harm in trying him. No Jones next week and his form was ordinary so Jones goes back to the VFL and earn his spot back. Redpath has been good enough so why not.

[always right]

Why not? It's not as if there is anything at stake. Would prefer we at least look at him before considering whether he gets delisted.

[LostDoggy]

Nothing to lose, Stevens was our key forward today. Probably better to have a 194cm 100 kilo bloke down there

[GVGjr]

Why not? It's not as if there is anything at stake. Would prefer we at least look at him before considering whether he gets delisted.

With Jones only a week or so away and Williams close is there an argument that Austin would be the better upgrade?
Redpath looked good yesterday but is he doing enough

[always right]

With Jones only a week or so away and Williams close is there an argument that Austin would be the better upgrade?
Redpath looked good yesterday but is he doing enough

Everyone says we need a key position forward. We have one at FOOTSCRAY whose form suggests we should give him a try. Personally I don't think he'll make it, much the same as I feel about Austin. The difference is Austin isn't a forward and he has at least been given some senior game time.

[G-Mo77]

With Jones only a week or so away and Williams close is there an argument that Austin would be the better upgrade?
Redpath looked good yesterday but is he doing enough

IMO Austin is a depth defender and that's it. Why not just leave Roberts in the back half and work with him rather than upgrade Austin again?

I like the idea of trying Redpath, he's put the goals on the board in the VFL, we need big target up front, we have an open spot on our list. Makes sense to me.

[GVGjr]

IMO Austin is a depth defender and that's it. Why not just leave Roberts in the back half and work with him rather than upgrade Austin again?

I like the idea of trying Redpath, he's put the goals on the board in the VFL, we need big target up front, we have an open spot on our list. Makes sense to me.

I get the logic but I think Jones is worth sticking with and Williams worthy of another shot. We could even try Campbell again. Austin would cover the out of form Talia and I don't think Roberts is quite ready yet.

I'm not fussed either way especially after the beating we took but maybe I just need to see Redpath in action again to be convinced.

[G-Mo77]

I get the logic but I think Jones is worth sticking with and Williams worthy of another shot. We could even try Campbell again. Austin would cover the out of form Talia and I don't think Roberts is quite ready yet.

I'm not fussed either way especially after the beating we took but maybe I just need to see Redpath in action again to be convinced.

The way I see it Jones was pretty ordinary before his suspension so Redpath takes his place for a few weeks and Jones has to win it back.

I'd slot Williams straight back into the team. I don't think it's a Williams or Redpath selection, both can fit.

I'd like to give Fletch at least 3 games in a row.

I'm not fussed either. I've never been convinced on Redpath I'd just like to try that avenue so we can either give him a tick or a cross.

[always right]

Jones is out for another week so there really isn't anything to lose by playing Redpath. Hell I'm not totally against us playing two big key forwards as in Redpath and Campbell as well as Grant and Crameri. Sure it might mean the ball comes out even quicker but wouldn't it be nice to see how we look with two big blokes crashing packs up forward......just for the sheer sake of it?

[GVGjr]

I'd slot Williams straight back into the team. I don't think it's a Williams or Redpath selection, both can fit.

I'd like to give Fletch at least 3 games in a row.

I'm not fussed either. I've never been convinced on Redpath I'd just like to try that avenue so we can either give him a tick or a cross.

Can we add Williams, Redpath and Grant in alongside of Crameri and and maybe Stinger?

I'd like to Stringer, Grant, Crameri and Williams up in attack. Redpath seems one too many for me at the moment.

[always right]

Personally I don't see a lot merit persevering with Williams but I suspect I am on a different wave length to the MC. We sorta know what he brings to the side when he actually plays whereas we know stuff all about Redpath with good(ish) players around him.

[G-Mo77]

Can we add Williams, Redpath and Grant in alongside of Crameri and and maybe Stinger?

I'd like to Stringer, Grant, Crameri and Williams up in attack. Redpath seems one too many for me at the moment.

I think so, Grant is more of a small anyway so it works on paper.

Stringer's been in the back half and looks like he's staying there for now.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Not convinced on Jones, and even less so on Williams.

Worth a shot at this point, otherwise what was the point of keeping him on the rookie list for a third year?

[azabob]

Not convinced on Jones, and even less so on Williams.

Worth a shot at this point, otherwise what was the point of keeping him on the rookie list for a third year?

So we need to start again?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

So we need to start again?

Not sure what you mean.

My point is that Jones and Williams aren't absolute 'locks' and both have been in the system for quite a while. Both are still very inconsistent in quarters, let alone games. I am yet to be convinced that either has a bright future.

I'm not sold on Redpath either, but I'm not opposed to giving him games and making Jones or Williams work their way back through the VFL.

[LostDoggy]

Happy to try, but one game isn't going to be enough for a decision on delistment. Are we happy to give him a run of at least 5-6 senior games? Freo is a tough assignment first-off-the-rank.

[G-Mo77]

Happy to try, but one game isn't going to be enough for a decision on delistment. Are we happy to give him a run of at least 5-6 senior games? Freo is a tough assignment first-off-the-rank.

I think we can squeeze at least 3 out of him. Jones was ordinary leading up to his suspension so I think a VFL stint wouldn't hurt.

[Mofra]

I don't have the faith others do in Redpath .... but I'd love to see him get the chance to prove me wrong.

I assume Dickson at 10 weeks is LTI so we can upgrade Redpath?
We're not challenging for a flag and our F50 structure is wrong. Crameri can play the HF line. We may as well find out how Jack goes at AFL level.

[Dancin' Douggy]

The logic is pretty simple really.
He's been re rookied so they must think he's got someyhing to offer.
After 3 pre seasons you'd think he'd have at least the minimum fitness level required.
We're screaming out for a tall forward target.
His form is probably just good enough to give him a crack.
Our season is shot.
Play him and see. If Fremantle are gonna smack us, they might as well smack us with Redpath in the team.
Give him a 5/6 week chunk to see what he's got.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

With Jones only a week or so away and Williams close is there an argument that Austin would be the better upgrade?
Redpath looked good yesterday but is he doing enough

We could do a lot worse than try Redpath at FF. Our key forwards have been very disappointing both CHF and FF and a big factor in current members dissatisfaction. Our lack of skilled players hasn't helped with continuing poor delivery into the forward line. Campbell Jones Stringer and Crameri have all struggled in the key forward posts and there is little to lose by playing Redpath.

[LostDoggy]

Can our members survive giving Redpath a 5-6 week slot? Can our coach? Can Redpath?

I don't think as a club we currently have the will power to see it through. Upgrade him for 2, and lets say both are goalless weeks, and he would be gone. Not sure the timing is right/fair. He's only just showing decent VFL form at the moment. If he kicks another 3-5 goals in his next 2 VFL games I think he's starting to prove something.

Not yet.

[1eyedog]

Can our members survive giving Redpath a 5-6 week slot? Can our coach? Can Redpath?

I don't think as a club we currently have the will power to see it through. Upgrade him for 2, and lets say both are goalless weeks, and he would be gone. Not sure the timing is right/fair. He's only just showing decent VFL form at the moment. If he kicks another 3-5 goals in his next 2 VFL games I think he's starting to prove something.

Not yet.

The MC need to think the same way about Redpath as they did for Stringer earlier this season. If it works there is massive upside if it doesn't well I don't think we've lost out in a big way, on the contrary we will be in a much more informed position on him come decision time at seasons end.

[boydogs]

Can our members survive giving Redpath a 5-6 week slot? Can our coach? Can Redpath?

I don't think as a club we currently have the will power to see it through. Upgrade him for 2, and lets say both are goalless weeks, and he would be gone. Not sure the timing is right/fair. He's only just showing decent VFL form at the moment. If he kicks another 3-5 goals in his next 2 VFL games I think he's starting to prove something.

Not yet.

The timing is somewhat forced upon us, he can only be upgraded if we put Dickson on the long term injury list, keeping him out for 8 weeks from the time we do it. Redpath doesn't have to be upgraded and promoted instantly after that but if we commit to keeping Tory out for that long regardless of when he is ready to return then we should have someone in mind that we will upgrade in his place

[Greystache]

The timing is somewhat forced upon us, he can only be upgraded if we put Dickson on the long term injury list, keeping him out for 8 weeks from the time we do it. Redpath doesn't have to be upgraded and promoted instantly after that but if we commit to keeping Tory out for that long regardless of when he is ready to return then we should have someone in mind that we will upgrade in his place

Dickson was put on the LTIL 2 weeks ago.

[azabob]

Dickson was put on the LTIL 2 weeks ago.

Would you play him stache?

[Greystache]

Would you play him stache?

Sure. His form is reasonable, and it's not as if our forward line could get any worse.

[F'scary]

Why is he called Big Jack?

[bornadog]

Why is he called Big Jack?
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/TR100712LC-43-300x300.jpg


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[Scorlibo]

Can our members survive giving Redpath a 5-6 week slot? Can our coach? Can Redpath?

I don't think as a club we currently have the will power to see it through. Upgrade him for 2, and lets say both are goalless weeks, and he would be gone. Not sure the timing is right/fair. He's only just showing decent VFL form at the moment. If he kicks another 3-5 goals in his next 2 VFL games I think he's starting to prove something.

Not yet.

I completely understand what you're saying but to be fair, I've seen Jack play a few times this year and he seems to be consistently putting in good performances this year.

[boydogs]

Dickson was put on the LTIL 2 weeks ago.

Ah thanks, didn't realise.

I'm guessing we have to choose between keeping Jong up after round 11 when the bonus rookie disappears and putting Redpath up?

[Doc26]

43 Jack Redpath
Height 194

Weight 100 kg

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/WesternBulldogs/Player%20Profiles/2014%20-%20Profiles/REDPATH%20Jack.png


We need a bloke that can take a mark, is mobile and kicks goals. Big Jack has kicked 14 at VFL level, time to stick him in the goal square and see how he goes.


I agree. What has impressed me with Jack this season in the VFL, which I don't hear a lot about in the write ups, is his disposal by foot when under pressure. He doesn't just throw it onto the boot carelessly but is considered about it and gives his target a good chance of winning it. His kicking has been.quite an asset at the level.

[Ghost Dog]

Well if they are going to trial him, at least give him a few weeks to get used to it.

[bornadog]

Some highlights from last week


http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/2014-06-11/vfl-big-jack-on-the-attack

Its time.

[Greystache]

Some highlights from last week


http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/2014-06-11/vfl-big-jack-on-the-attack

Its time.

I agree but I can't see it happening.

I think we may leave out Williams and play Cordy, for no net sum gain, and I wouldn't even bank on that happening. I think we'll leave out a running player for another inside mid and that'll be about it.

[bornadog]

I agree but I can't see it happening.

I think we may leave out Williams and play Cordy, for no net sum gain, and I wouldn't even bank on that happening. I think we'll leave out a running player for another inside mid and that'll be about it.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Cordy come in.

[Remi Moses]

I don't get it .
Wouldn't be about time to see what big Jack has to offer?
We kept these guys on the rookie list, for What reason?
Ayce ( if he gets there) is going to be a ruckman.

[LostDoggy]

I don't get it .
Wouldn't be about time to see what big Jack has to offer?
We kept these guys on the rookie list, for What reason?
Ayce ( if he gets there) is going to be a ruckman.

To stop Gold Coast and GWS getting them Remi! Geez, it's obvious!

[G-Mo77]

Doubt we'll see him. It was either in Macca's press conference or radio interview he said he's got some work to do before he gets selected. I read between the lines and came up with: no chance.

[Remi Moses]

Oh Joy! Keeping Williams ( has no idea) putting Cordy there( not a forward) Campbell( not a forward)

[Bulldog Joe]

I agree but I can't see it happening.

I think we may leave out Williams and play Cordy, for no net sum gain, and I wouldn't even bank on that happening. I think we'll leave out a running player for another inside mid and that'll be about it.

On the highlights package (and that is all I have to go on) Cordy looked a more complete player, who got the ball in the air and on the ground. His ball use also looked good.

[Greystache]

On the highlights package (and that is all I have to go on) Cordy looked a more complete player, who got the ball in the air and on the ground. His ball use also looked good.

And that's fine, but he's never looked close to doing that at AFL level. Williams rarely has either, so it's a zero sum gain either way.

We want forwards who can run and defend rather than get the ball, which is ironic because we want our midfielders to be the opposite.

[Bulldog Joe]

And that's fine, but he's never looked close to doing that at AFL level. Williams rarely has either, so it's a zero sum gain either way.

We want forwards who can run and defend rather than get the ball, which is ironic because we want our midfielders to be the opposite.

By all reports (and occasional highlights) Cordy has played much better and more consistently at VFL level this season than at any other stage of his career.

Why is it not possible for him to bring that improvement to AFL level?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

At this point I'm willing to try anything, so I won't be totally against Cordy playing.

Williams' name should be forever crossed off the list, perhaps it will be Cordy's opportunity next..

[bulldogtragic]

Dead set depressing...

If you had told me before the season by the start of the second half of our season we would be hoping a rookie who has shown very little against good VFL opponents would be upgraded as to address any problems we had... I might have taken up another hobby over winter.

I'm not saying don't do it, or do do it - or good, bad or otherwise. I'm saying that a couple of dozen members are even debating this scenario is an indictment on some people not doing their jobs right. How can we get passed half way in the season and this be a serious consideration... Me, I think we are begging for something different, anything different so that we have some sense that all hope is not lost, we have one last card to play. In that trying to make a positive feeling somewhere around our club to make up for the feelings of lost hope for the season. Sad state of affairs...

[Greystache]

By all reports (and occasional highlights) Cordy has played much better and more consistently at VFL level this season than at any other stage of his career.

Why is it not possible for him to bring that improvement to AFL level?

I've seen him live several times this season and I put his improved form down to the opposition he's been opposed to. This season he's regularly played on midgets who are also not very strong, so, much like when he was a junior, he can outstretch them without them being able to out body him. Anytime I've seen him matched up against someone remotely equally matched he's looked a very ordinary player, and at AFL level he'll regularly be equally matched. Williams is not much better, so as I said, I don't think it'll make much difference either way.

Getting back to the theme of the thread, Redpath at least has AFL pace and body strength, plus he can kick, so he's some chance to be able to step up to the level. We won't know for sure unless we give him 5-10 games, but sadly that looks unlikely to happen.

I'd play Campbell in front of all 3, but tackling ability is the key attribute we want from a key forward/2nd ruck, so we won't be seeing him any time soon.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

We won't know for sure unless we give him 5-10 games, but sadly that looks unlikely to happen.

Makes it mystifying that we bothered keeping him on the rookie list, doesn't it?


I'd play Campbell in front of all 3, but tackling ability is the key attribute we want from a key forward/2nd ruck, so we won't be seeing him any time soon.

Ditto.

Cannot understand why we won't play Campbell - has shown he is more capable than both Williams and Cordy.

[Greystache]

Cannot understand why we won't play Campbell - has shown he is more capable than both Williams and Cordy.

We want key forwards who can run (but only 1... 2 at a pinch) and midfielders who can't. I guess that's why I'm not a coach, because that seems to me to be the opposite of what we should want.

[Mofra]

Cannot understand why we won't play Campbell - has shown he is more capable than both Williams and Cordy.
He's had two chances this year, and was not much value after quarter time in either game.

He will be our no 1 forward when Minson retires but I have my doubts about his value as a forward.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

He's had two chances this year, and was not much value after quarter time in either game.

He will be our no 1 forward when Minson retires but I have my doubts about his value as a forward.

The entire team weren't much value in round one.

Campbell at least provides a target and structure - Williams and co. simply do not. Campbell can take a mark but more importantly can bring it to ground. Williams (and Jones) routinely run to the wrong spots, run underneath it or get out-marked. It seems the coaching staff have greater leniency for some, and harsher expectations for others.

Nobody is saying Campbell doesn't have deficiencies, but he should be playing for many reasons (structure, proper second ruck, his own development).

[always right]

The entire team weren't much value in round one.

Campbell at least provides a target and structure - Williams and co. simply do not. Campbell can take a mark but more importantly can bring it to ground. Williams (and Jones) routinely run to the wrong spots, run underneath it or get out-marked. It seems the coaching staff have greater leniency for some, and harsher expectations for others.

Nobody is saying Campbell doesn't have deficiencies, but he should be playing for many reasons (structure, proper second ruck, his own development).

He crashes the packs and whilst that's not the answer to everything it is at least something you can start to plan around by making sure you have crumbers at his feet. Big guys draw a crowd.

[bornadog]

He crashes the packs and whilst that's not the answer to everything it is at least something you can start to plan around by making sure you have crumbers at his feet. Big guys draw a crowd.

Yes they do, bring on Jack

[azabob]

Yes they do, bring on Jack

Well its not going to happen this week, considering the latest article you have posted.

[bornadog]

Well its not going to happen this week, considering the latest article you have posted.

I am disappointed Aza :(, we need some excitement up forward.

[Remi Moses]

Well its not going to happen this week, considering the latest article you have posted.

Can it still happen?

[GVGjr]

At this point I'm willing to try anything, so I won't be totally against Cordy playing.

Williams' name should be forever crossed off the list, perhaps it will be Cordy's opportunity next..

Why does Williams get a line crossed through his name?

[LostDoggy]

Williams is contributing a couple of goals a game. He's the first selection tall for us from what is available on our list.

Of the others:

Campbell has not been performing anywhere near what he did last year. Stays in the VFL until he shows something or we need to replace big will in the ruck.

Big Jack has been good for a run of a few weeks after being a rookie for 3 years. Think he needs to stay VFL and monster it for another few weeks to convince me he could handle the AFL. If we elevate him and he gets 2 kicks and zero goals we will smash his confidence. I'm happy to leave him alone.

Cordy, by his own admission, needs to make them stick. He achieves that goal and we suddenly have our prospect back. Don't know what the issue is but the coaches and he are clearly working on it. No interest on elevating him and watching him bring 30 forward entries to ground for zero marks and no goals. I'd just as soon stick wacky, waving, inflatable arm flaling tube man up forward to achieve that end.

[Greystache]

Why does Williams get a line crossed through his name?

I can't speak for TBB, but for me he's not up it as a defender, and as a forward he needs probably 2 years playing there before he'll be able to play a key role (if at all). At his age by the time he finds his feet he'll be retiring.

I think playing him is just a sort term gap filling exercise in what is a very important position.

[bulldogsman]

Both Williams and Crameri are 2nd and 3rd talls, they need a big forward around them. Is Redpath the answer? I really don't think so. I don't think he has the smarts and he's not a very good contested mark. He should have been off the list two years ago IMO.

I'd like to see us persist with a forward line of Jones, Williams and Crameri for a couple weeks.

[kruder]

Redpath isn't the answer he doesn't lead either and only an average mark. He is very similar package to Liam Jones IMO. One things for sure we don't need two of them in the side.

When can we get a forward who actually wants/demands the footy!!!!

[bornadog]

About Bloody Time - Good luck Jack


The powerful 23-year-old replaces Tory Dickson, who was placed on the long term injury list with a pectoral injury, and is at least a month away from competitive football.

Defender Mark Austin becomes the club’s nominated rookie, and will therefore be eligible for senior selection for the remainder of the year.

[bornadog]

Coaches Office - Redpath

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/2014-06-25/coachs-office-jack-redpath-rd14 (http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/2014-06-25/coachs-office-jack-redpath-rd14)

[SonofScray]

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can offer at the senior level. I hope he can bring some movement inside 50 and a real aggressive intent to hit the conest in the air, win the footy and make defenders earn their touches.

[Ghost Dog]

Jeez Ash. That ranga beard looks pretty itchy. ;)

[Ghost Dog]

Both Williams and Crameri are 2nd and 3rd talls, they need a big forward around them. Is Redpath the answer? I really don't think so. I don't think he has the smarts and he's not a very good contested mark. He should have been off the list two years ago IMO.

I'd like to see us persist with a forward line of Jones, Williams and Crameri for a couple weeks.

Can you cite some VFL games you've seen of him? I've not seen him play yet. I'd like to know more. He's been around for a while, but tonight's vids are the first really good look I've had.

[BulldogBelle]

Good luck to Jack. He may not be in our best 22, but if he's our best option as a Full Forward, then he shouldn't need to be. It's a bigger plus for our midfield than the forward line if he plays. A genuine big target coming at you from inside 50.....our outside mids should be happy as a pig in mud if he cracks a game

[Dry Rot]

Has he been officially upgraded from rookie status?

[BulldogBelle]

Yes, and named on an extended interchange bench

[Eastdog]

Well done to Jack on being upgraded. Not expecting too much from his debut game but will be interesting to see how he goes. Hopefully in a few years time he'll be that key forward we have been crying out for.

[bornadog]

Has he been officially upgraded from rookie status?

see post #65;)

[bulldogtragic]

I feel for Jack, a lack of quality entry, an extra defender back and rain is making life hard for him. I'd hate for him to subbed for his own confidence, but our strategy seems to look at taller forwards as the subbee. Soon find out. Edit: Austin out, good to see Jack fight it out.

[BulldogBelle]

Tough debut. No other talls up forward means Jack will get the best defender. C'mon match committee, put in Campbell if for no other reason than to give Jack more opportunity!!

[Happy Days]

If I'm being real (of course I'm being real) I don't think I ever need to see that again.

[GVGjr]

Tough debut. No other talls up forward means Jack will get the best defender. C'mon match committee, put in Campbell if for no other reason than to give Jack more opportunity!!


I'm not sure I get this? Should we have played Campbell alongside of Redpath or instead of him?

[boydogs]

I'm not sure I get this? Should we have played Campbell alongside of Redpath or instead of him?

Think he meant play both

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Thought he tried really hard in a game that could not have been worse for a first game player (let alone a tall forward)

He crashed packs and provided a contest on the wettest of days. Thought the first quarter he gave to much space to Taylor and he clearly got that message at 1/4 time

I would leave him in for next week against the suns and see how he goes on a dry deck.

[GVGjr]

Think he meant play both


Thats going to be hard to do. To me, it has to be one or the other.

[always right]

Play him next week. He competed well and was even effective in the ruck.

[Greystache]

I thought given the conditions he did a pretty good job. There was probably only 1 mark you'd expect him to take that he didn't, but he crashed packs, made his presents felt, hurt a couple of people, and worked hard defensively. He should've played last week under the roof.

[josie]

Agree with posters saying give him a go next week. He competed well. Really hope the coaches do not drop him after one match in horrid conditions.

[Remi Moses]

Gee tough iniation .Im sure he'll get more exposure in the coming weeks

[Hotdog60]

I wonder if Jones would benefit with Jack in the side. Jones plays HF and Jack at FF then Minow has a rest at FF and Jack goes to HF and Jones in the ruck.
Would it work?

[azabob]

I wonder if Jones would benefit with Jack in the side. Jones plays HF and Jack at FF then Minow has a rest at FF and Jack goes to HF and Jones in the ruck.
Would it work?

Jones would still get the best defender, wouldn't he?

Why wouldn't you ruck Redpath instead of Jones?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

From Macca's presser it sounds as though he will play next week

[wimberga]

From Macca's presser it sounds as though he will play next week

where is the presser? Cant find it!

[LostDoggy]

Was pretty happy with what Jack did. IMO Macca decided that this game was one of the biggest tests you'd get in modern football, and would show Jack where he needs to get to. Was it ideal conditions for him, not a chance, and i think that was reflected in the way THawk influenced the game (or lack of).

[bulldogsthru&thru]

where is the presser? Cant find it!

only listened to it live. Basically said he wasn't disgraced against one of the best defenders (Taylor). Summed up, he was pleased with his effort and likely to play again as it would be strange to drop him if he thought Redpath applied himself well

[Mofra]

Jones would still get the best defender, wouldn't he?

Why wouldn't you ruck Redpath instead of Jones?
Jones is an inch or so taller and has a bigger leap, not that he's much of a ruckman.

Redpath was on a hiding to nothing - one of the best defensive units in the AFL, in the wet, on their home ground.
Was poor early as expected, but started to impact a few contests as the match wore on. Would like to see him get a chance in dry conditions.

[Sedat]

Redpath was on a hiding to nothing - one of the best defensive units in the AFL, in the wet, on their home ground.
Was poor early as expected, but started to impact a few contests as the match wore on. Would like to see him get a chance in dry conditions.
Yep, extremely tough gig first up. He should be given a 3-4 weeks crack at it - I liked his willingness to break packs open and impact on the contest, but he will obviously need to show more than that in the next few weeks to keep his spot.

[Hotdog60]

Jones would still get the best defender, wouldn't he?

Why wouldn't you ruck Redpath instead of Jones?

I just think Jones is more mobile and has been in the system longer so in theory should have the tank to do it.

I would hope that Jones gets the better player and hope that Jack can exploit the lesser light. Then if they swap then Jones get off the leash. Well it sounds go in theory.:)

[Ozza]

Yep, extremely tough gig first up. He should be given a 3-4 weeks crack at it - I liked his willingness to break packs open and impact on the contest, but he will obviously need to show more than that in the next few weeks to keep his spot.

Apologies if I'm repeating what might have already been relayed.

In the press conference Brendan said (basically) "I told Jack he would be playing the next couple of weeks...and probably a couple more after that as well. We've given some other players opportunities in that role, and now its Jack's turn to show us what he can do".

As others have said - he said he came up against one of the best, and wasn't disgraced, competed hard on a pretty tough day for key forwards.

In Jack's interview on the ulldogs app - he mention the pace of the game a few times - I think he was genuinely a bit shellshocked by the step up. Will be interesting to see if he can get himself up with the pace and standard pretty quickly or not.

[always right]

He was actually surpisingly good in the ruck for the brief period he spent there.

[azabob]

In Jack's interview on the ulldogs app - he mention the pace of the game a few times - I think he was genuinely a bit shellshocked by the step up. Will be interesting to see if he can get himself up with the pace and standard pretty quickly or not.

Isn't it funny. Every young player is surprised by the step up in pace. Obviously they are told its quicker and they know it will be quicker, but until you are out there for yourself, you don't realise how fast it actually is.

[Ozza]

Isn't it funny. Every young player is surprised by the step up in pace. Obviously they are told its quicker and they know it will be quicker, but until you are out there for yourself, you don't realise how fast it actually is.

He sounded like the day took its toll on him mentally. Pretty tough first assignment. Hopefully he goes well over the next few weeks.

[SonofScray]

He battled, but h did it manfully. I doubt we'd have got much more value out of our other options who didn't get picked. Jones probably would have taken one grab Redpath coughed up which would have been a set shot 25m out straight in front. Jack snatched at it a bit, surprised he ended up in a position to have the footy get to him I think.

He attacked the contest and was OK without the ball. The hardest thing is footy IMO is getting the ball. Geelong were excellent around the ground taking marks in the wet. Was hoping we'd get a bit more value from Redpath and Stringer to be honest.