The Rumour Mill

[LostDoggy]

Levi Greenwood anyone? I know he is not a key position player but had an excellent year and fits the macca mood to perfection.

That's one area of the list we have covered.

[Dry Rot]

Would we have any interest in Mitch Brown or Walker from the Cats? Never seen much in Brown.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I don't mind him as a player but no we need speed and some tall prospects

[Cyberdoggie]

Daniel Gorringe wants out of GC.

Any interest as a key forward?

Has mentioned he prefers Port though.

[BulldogBelle]

Daniel Gorringe wants out of GC.

Any interest as a key forward?

No. He's a ruckman that plays forward, and no better than what we already have.

[ReLoad]

This is no rumour but rather a trade I think makes sense.

First of last year I suggested Minson for Tom Boyd (pick1) and why it made sense, the response was about 50-50 within woof of if it was worth it etc.

This year there is a different perspective as to our needs, for starters, there is no defined stand out power forward available for pick 1. Petracca is a midfielder and will most certainly go at pick number 1.

So we do not need to go all out this year and get pick 1, at least IMHO.

But its time again that we need to get ourselves some hope. We were going to pull the gun on Patton, but since the poor guys knees are shot, we will need to go elsewhere.

Jake Carlisle is that man. he showed against us just what a player of his stature can do.

SO whats he going to cost us? quite a lot thats for sure, he is contracted and Dodoro is a spanner, so we will no doubt have to pay overs for him.

The Price:
Luke Dahlhouse and our first round pick, in return we would get Carlisle and Essendons Second round pick.

Why?
The need is obvious, but why our little gun In Dahlhouse?

Essendon need a very good/elite player in return, so we have to offer something substantial and Dahlhouse fits their needs nicely, they have a substantial lack of goalkickers in the last few years (especially with Crameri coming to us) and his versatility is valuable.

I have nothing against Luke, apart from i don't see much further significant improvement in him, he has certainly not improved over previous years this year, but given his age he probably has another 10% or so in him.

So is it enough to get done? Discuss.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm not yet sure about Carlisle, but I have no option with considering virtually any trade. Giving up Dahl would be a massive trade and pick 5 being conceivably Wright, we'd want to think very carefully about long term needs being met.

[LostDoggy]

Remember Carlisle went at like pick 30 in the draft, we will have 4 picks before 30 if everything in the works comes to fruition. We should draft IMO. Later on when our kids have matured a bit more and if we still have a deficiency we can pluck a player through FA.

Not that I would be upset with that deal.

[anfo27]

This is no rumour but rather a trade I think makes sense.

First of last year I suggested Minson for Tom Boyd (pick1) and why it made sense, the response was about 50-50 within woof of if it was worth it etc.

This year there is a different perspective as to our needs, for starters, there is no defined stand out power forward available for pick 1. Petracca is a midfielder and will most certainly go at pick number 1.

So we do not need to go all out this year and get pick 1, at least IMHO.

But its time again that we need to get ourselves some hope. We were going to pull the gun on Patton, but since the poor guys knees are shot, we will need to go elsewhere.

Jake Carlisle is that man. he showed against us just what a player of his stature can do.

SO whats he going to cost us? quite a lot thats for sure, he is contracted and Dodoro is a spanner, so we will no doubt have to pay overs for him.

The Price:
Luke Dahlhouse and our first round pick, in return we would get Carlisle and Essendons Second round pick.

Why?
The need is obvious, but why our little gun In Dahlhouse?

Essendon need a very good/elite player in return, so we have to offer something substantial and Dahlhouse fits their needs nicely, they have a substantial lack of goalkickers in the last few years (especially with Crameri coming to us) and his versatility is valuable.

I have nothing against Luke, apart from i don't see much further significant improvement in him, he has certainly not improved over previous years this year, but given his age he probably has another 10% or so in him.

So is it enough to get done? Discuss.

Can't agree with your opinion that Dahl hasn't shown improvement this year. Dahl has improved every year and is not that far away from becoming an A grade player. Carlisle would be a great get no doubt about that but giving up Dahl is an emphatic no. Trading with the filth is very risky considering Carlisle will be getting some form of suspension and there will be no conclusion to this sage by the end of trade week. We could conceivably give up pick 5 and Dahl for Carlisle and ASADA comes in and bans him anywhere from 6 months to 2 years. Not a smart move that one.

[Twodogs]

Just convince Carlisle to walk and let them try and stop him.

And don't forget when we are trading for him that he comes with a risk of him not being allowed to play for two years. Personally I wouldn't be selling the farm for him.

[The Underdog]

What makes anyone think Carlisle is interested in a trade?

[G-Mo77]

What makes anyone think Carlisle is interested in a trade?

Or interested in coming here for that matter.

[Remi Moses]

Heard Caro say ( it was reported today in H/S) that Adam Cooney was at the post game celebrations on Saturday.
I know he's mates with Brian, but that really is a pretty poor look !

[SlimPickens]

Heard Caro say ( it was reported today in H/S) that Adam Cooney was at the post game celebrations on Saturday.
I know he's mates with Brian, but that really is a pretty poor look !

He was there last year as well. No need to make a mountain....

[LostDoggy]

Perhaps he can be there next year again, as a premiership player, for a swap pick 18 for pick 25.

[Remi Moses]

He was there last year as well. No need to make a mountain....

It's not making a mountain out of anything .
It's a crap look, and he can hang out with Brian anytime .

[Remi Moses]

Perhaps he can be there next year again, as a premiership player, for a swap pick 18 for pick 25.

Yep I'd do it.

[boydogs]

I have nothing against Luke, apart from i don't see much further significant improvement in him, he has certainly not improved over previous years this year, but given his age he probably has another 10% or so in him.

He was borderline AA this year, equivalent to Griff's first year in the midfield when some of us were questioning whether it was a wise move to take him out of defense before he went bang the following season.

Carlisle can take a mark with a running jump but so can Jones, or Majak Daw for that matter. Our tall defenders were rubbish the second half of the year, he only took 2 marks the following week v Sydney

[ledge]

Now herald /sun reporting Tutt has walked out as well

[Happy Days]

Now herald /sun reporting Tutt has walked out as well

"You can't fire me, I quit!"

[1eyedog]

Nothing to see here...

[Twodogs]

That must have been one harsh performance review.

[Templeton31]

geeze whats going on down there. is everyone who feels harshly done by this year walking out?

[LostDoggy]

The article about Tutt:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jason-tutt-latest-to-quit-western-bulldogs-in-search-of-new-contract-at-rival-afl-club/story-fni5fazt-1227075622351

Macca even drew them a cartoon for it.

[ratsmac]

Tutt as well now, bloody hell what's going on down there?

[LostDoggy]

Tutt as well now, bloody hell what's going on down there?

Progress

[jeemak]

Sounds to me he's been offered better terms than what we were prepared to offer.

Thanks for your services Jason.

[comrade]

Higgins, Jones and Tutt are 3 of the biggest underachievers on the list. Yeah, it's disappointing that we didn't see them reach their potential with us but all 3 of them leaving, individually and as a collective, won't hurt us moving forward.

It's not like Stringer or Bonti is telling us to shove it...

Get in 3 tough, committed blokes that will kill for the red, white and blue. These 3 just didn't have it...

[The bulldog tragician]

For what it's worth Mark Stevens is tweeting about a rumour that BMac could be sacked

https://twitter.com/stevo7afl/status/516874070780936192

[azabob]

For what it's worth Mark Stevens is tweeting about a rumour that BMac could be sacked

https://twitter.com/stevo7afl/status/516874070780936192

At least post his follow up tweet.

[LostDoggy]

All 3 blokes don't have the workrate required to make it. Yes it's not a good look on the surface with 3 blokes wanting out but I'm backing Macca in with his philosophies and these 3 just don't cut it.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Add Pearce, Austin and Greenwood and we will have cut the list very well.

[F'scary]

Add Pearce, Austin and Greenwood and we will have cut the list very well.

But we need Austin to blanket Jones!

[whythelongface]

There must have been some truths behind closed doors. I think this is good as there seems to be a line drawn in the sand that if you want to play in this team you need to earn it. It appears we are also not prepared to pat overs for underachievers.

[whythelongface]

We certainly have cut deep intentionally or not. Hopefully we can make a play for a big scalp with some freeing up of our salary cap.

[whythelongface]

Just read the article on news.com on Tutt. His creativity was a standout feature. Really.

[Remi Moses]

Just reading some of those tweets from some Norf fan really makes one pleased they don't have social media.

[F'scary]

Just read the article on news.com on Tutt. His creativity was a standout feature. Really.

His cement hands always stood out for mine.

[G-Mo77]

Like Jones I don't blame Tutt for looking elsewhere. We made it clear this year he was not a wanted player with us so can you blame him for looking for a better pasture.

[chef]

Tutt as well now, bloody hell what's going on down there?

Cleaning out the dead wood.

[G-Mo77]

Cleaning out the dead wood.

I wouldn't call it cutting dead wood when we're trying to resign him and he refuses.

I was 50/50 on him next year. With another club interested we may actually get something for him......hopefully.

[Doggy]

Jones 66 games in 6 seasons, average 11 games a year.
Tutt 27 games in 5 seasons, average 5 games a year.

Not fussed with these two leaving

[whythelongface]

I wouldn't call it cutting dead wood when we're trying to resign him and he refuses.

I was 50/50 on him next year. With another club interested we may actually get something for him......hopefully.

Maybe in all 3 cases the club was calling their bluff knowing full well they would seek other opportunities, whilst providing us with an opportunity to free up some salary cap and gain some potential round 2 or 3 draft picks.

[bornadog]

Jones 66 games in 6 seasons, average 11 games a year.
Tutt 27 games in 5 seasons, average 5 games a year.

Not fussed with these two leaving

I would rather the club makes the move and not players just quitting. This really makes us look bad. How will we attract new layers to the club if this is how players are treated.

[Remi Moses]

I would rather the club makes the move and not players just quitting. This really makes us look bad. How will we attract new layers to the club if this is how players are treated.

They've put contract offers forward, and they've been rejected.
What should they do? Pay overs ?

[LostDoggy]

Can someone tell me about how much would Higgins be on now? The thought of him wanting out still pisses me off, now with Tutt oh god help us when R.Murphy retires.

[LostDoggy]

I would rather the club makes the move and not players just quitting. This really makes us look bad. How will we attract new layers to the club if this is how players are treated.

Can't see how it makes us look bad, it would if they were first 18 players. But they are fringe players they won't be the last fringe players to want out. FWIW I don't want them to go.

[Remi Moses]

Let's be honest about this, as it's not exactly Bonts , Jake, Jackson or young Libba walking out the door.
Tutts a fringe player and to be honest the jury is out on him improving enough to be a competent AFL player.

[G-Mo77]

Can't see how it makes us look bad, it would if they were first 18 players. But they are fringe players they won't be the last fringe players to want out. FWIW I don't want them to go.

I get what you're saying but I agree with BAD on this one. We're offering these fringe players contracts and they're refusing. It doesn't look good especially with rumors tied to problems off field.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I get what you're saying but I agree with BAD on this one. We're offering these fringe players contracts and they're refusing. It doesn't look good especially with rumors tied to problems off field.

Dunno, shades of Collingwood and Buckley. Players that can't handle the strong direction of the coaching staff we're better off without. Let's see who the draftees and tradees are before we worry about this.

[LostDoggy]

Dunno, shades of Collingwood and Buckley. Players that can't handle the strong direction of the coaching staff we're better off without. Let's see who the draftees and tradees are before we worry about this.

Are you saying what is happening at Collingwood is a good thing?

[always right]

All the speculation about McCartney and whether he is likely to get a tap on the shoulder........if true, I wonder how many of the football department would go with him considering so many joined our club on the back of their strong relationship with McCartney. Would destabilize the club big time.

I don't like what I'm hearing at the moment regardless of where the fault lies. A divided club will go backwards very quickly.

[LostDoggy]

They've put contract offers forward, and they've been rejected.
What should they do? Pay overs ?

I really despise this argument. How do we know that the reason for leaving is fiscal?

We sound like a dead-set bunch of povo's with talk like that, who's that going to attract to our club? Despite our financial situation, it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy that we can't afford good players.

[Go_Dogs]

I would rather the club makes the move and not players just quitting. This really makes us look bad. How will we attract new layers to the club if this is how players are treated.

Maybe it will say, we are no longer going to carry and/or overpay to keep under performing players. If you would like to join a ruthless organisation, with 100% committed individuals, who are strong willed and team orientated, with some of the best young players in the league, come and join us.

It would have been great had Jones developed into a good or better, consistent key forward for us. It hasn't happened. Maybe it will elsewhere, maybe it won't. He has decided he doesn't want to be the man, but wants more opportunities, so has left.

It would have been great if Higgins had developed into the silky, smooth moving forward/midfielder we had hoped he would, but injuries have curtailed that, along with the development of younger players in those roles. We have tried him down back with moderate success, but again, he has decided he wants a change. He's given us solid service, his manager has said it will be done reasonably due to the mutual respect between Shaun and the Club.

It would have been great if Tutt could find that last 10% of improvement to become a quick, running player for us but it hasn't. If he can get more money and/or a longer contract elsewhere I won't begrudge him or the Club for not working harder to come to terms.

At the end of the day, we have to become a better side, we need to be smarter with our list management, we need to position ourselves to make moves for FA and out of contract expansion club players. So when our upward curve starts, and our young players become consistent performers, we can make moves to become a genuine contender.

I know there is a lot going on at the moment, but for the first time in a while I am seeing an approach which is focused on making us into a successful club that transitions it's list well without having to bottom out and be in a 10 year cycle of coming close, bottoming out and rebuilding to come close again.

I may be wrong, but I'm prepared to back our guys in a little longer to show there is a method to what some deem madness.

[The Underdog]

I really despise this argument. How do we know that the reason for leaving is fiscal?

We sound like a dead-set bunch of povo's with talk like that, who's that going to attract to our club. Despite our financial, it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Both Jones and Tutt have specified greater opportunity as a reason for leaving. I don't think money is the issue. The coach might be. To be fair we got Crameri last year by supposedly offering him more than Essendon were willing to. So it's a short memory for anyone who claims we're cheaping out on players.

[wimberga]

Maybe it will say, we are no longer going to carry and/or overpay to keep under performing players. If you would like to join a ruthless organisation, with 100% committed individuals, who are strong willed and team orientated, with some of the best young players in the league, come and join us.

It would have been great had Jones developed into a good or better, consistent key forward for us. It hasn't happened. Maybe it will elsewhere, maybe it won't. He has decided he doesn't want to be the man, but wants more opportunities, so has left.

It would have been great if Higgins had developed into the silky, smooth moving forward/midfielder we had hoped he would, but injuries have curtailed that, along with the development of younger players in those roles. We have tried him down back with moderate success, but again, he has decided he wants a change. He's given us solid service, his manager has said it will be done reasonably due to the mutual respect between Shaun and the Club.

It would have been great if Tutt could find that last 10% of improvement to become a quick, running player for us but it hasn't. If he can get more money and/or a longer contract elsewhere I won't begrudge him or the Club for not working harder to come to terms.

At the end of the day, we have to become a better side, we need to be smarter with our list management, we need to position ourselves to make moves for FA and out of contract expansion club players. So when our upward curve starts, and our young players become consistent performers, we can make moves to become a genuine contender.

I know there is a lot going on at the moment, but for the first time in a while I am seeing an approach which is focused on making us into a successful club that transitions it's list well without having to bottom out and be in a 10 year cycle of coming close, bottoming out and rebuilding to come close again.

I may be wrong, but I'm prepared to back our guys in a little longer to show there is a method to what some deem madness.

Well said Griff16 - agree with all of the above.

The players that want to leave are all seeking further opportunity and none-bar Higgins- have been able to cement themselves as best 22 players on a consistent basis.

That is why they are willing and wanting to leave the club, and its the same reason we shouldn't be too upset about it.

[LostDoggy]

Maybe it will say, we are no longer going to carry and/or overpay to keep under performing players. If you would like to join a ruthless organisation, with 100% committed individuals, who are strong willed and team orientated, with some of the best young players in the league, come and join us.

It would have been great had Jones developed into a good or better, consistent key forward for us. It hasn't happened. Maybe it will elsewhere, maybe it won't. He has decided he doesn't want to be the man, but wants more opportunities, so has left.

It would have been great if Higgins had developed into the silky, smooth moving forward/midfielder we had hoped he would, but injuries have curtailed that, along with the development of younger players in those roles. We have tried him down back with moderate success, but again, he has decided he wants a change. He's given us solid service, his manager has said it will be done reasonably due to the mutual respect between Shaun and the Club.

It would have been great if Tutt could find that last 10% of improvement to become a quick, running player for us but it hasn't. If he can get more money and/or a longer contract elsewhere I won't begrudge him or the Club for not working harder to come to terms.

At the end of the day, we have to become a better side, we need to be smarter with our list management, we need to position ourselves to make moves for FA and out of contract expansion club players. So when our upward curve starts, and our young players become consistent performers, we can make moves to become a genuine contender.

I know there is a lot going on at the moment, but for the first time in a while I am seeing an approach which is focused on making us into a successful club that transitions it's list well without having to bottom out and be in a 10 year cycle of coming close, bottoming out and rebuilding to come close again.

I may be wrong, but I'm prepared to back our guys in a little longer to show there is a method to what some deem madness.

Great post. It is a crucial time for our club, I for one am sick of supporters potting the coaching staff, its about time we address our long standing culture of close enough is good enough - the hard edge displayed by the club has been a long time coming and if we buckle now I fear we will never be a contender.

[LostDoggy]

Who are we actually paying our money too? I'm assuming we were paying the minimum salary cap this year? Higgins would have been on around 300k? If we are planning on using 100% (or 105%) of the salary cap next year then we would need to pay somebody lots of monies.

[LostDoggy]

Who are we actually paying our money too? I'm assuming we were paying the minimum salary cap this year? Higgins would have been on around 300k? If we are planning on using 100% (or 105%) of the salary cap next year then we would need to pay somebody lots of monies.

We should be front loading long term contracts with Macrae, Bonts, Libba and Stringer. But on 5 and 6 tear deals not 2.

Go to the draft for the first 3 years and improve our stocks of youngsters then in 3 years or so when the front loading has caught up, these players will be peaking, we will presumably have a heap of new talent from drafting and we should free up a lot of cap space to land a FA or two to fill our gaps.

[ratsmac]

While it does look like there is tensions in the inner sanctums between players and coach, it is a good sign seeing that we have finished on the lower end of the ladder the last few years. Harmony is bliss but if there is harmony without results well it would seem as if there is no pressure to get better results. If I don't push my apprentices to the point where they get pissed off with me, they just fall into a comfortable routine and their quality of work doesn't improve much. If Macca is upsetting players because he wants more from them and they won't /can't deliver and they don't want to toe the line anymore, well don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

I felt we have carried a few players in the last couple years and we didn't trim the list back hard enough anyway. Time to try a slightly different formula.

[Pedro Sanchez]

I actually think our approach is smart, and there much be so much going on behind the scenes that we’re not privy to. We’re all forming opinions on rumor, innuendo and two fringe players that have walked – granted Higgins decision is a shame, but lots on hear have bagged him and his injuries for years so cant begrudge for wanting a fresh start.

But ever thought this might be the actual strategy of the club… To let players give the impression they’re walking, when the actual fact that’s the very result the club wanted. And by taking this approach, we have bargaining power to achieve half decent trades in the process?

From all reports there is a lot of depth in the draft this year, so stockpiling picks between 20 and 45ish seems feasible. Which is the likely result of trading Tutt, Jones and compo for Higgins.

Anyway it’s obviously a pivotal time for the coach and a bunch of underperforming players right now. Careers will be made and broken in the coming season, so I appreciate the footy department making some tough calls.

To be fair and Higgins aside, Jones and Tutt couldn’t demand a spot in a team that finished with 7 wins for the year. Sure they had decent form in the twos at different times, but hardly banged down the door. That says it all…

For the moment I’m looking at the glass being half full, and the stories of unrest are just a natural occurrence after some robust discussions and hard calls. Just really hoping my gut feel is accurate.

Up the dog!

[Axe Man]

Looks like we have an interest in a young Irish prospect:

McKenna has the luck of the Irish (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-01/luck-of-the-irish)


After he touched down in Australia he spent three days training with West Coast in Perth before flying to Melbourne and going out to the Bombers' new facility at Tullamarine. "That big hangar is amazing," he said. He went back to the club on Friday to meet some officials, having visited the Western Bulldogs and Geelong for interviews in between.

and


Collingwood, Essendon, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs are interested in Irish prospect Conor McKenna.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Looks like we have an interest in a young Irish prospect:

McKenna has the luck of the Irish (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-01/luck-of-the-irish)




Great I love the good Irish players and obviously they have many of the skills of AFL minus tackling and kicking the oval ball. Our incomes must be extremely attractive to them and would attract the best of them. They just need to be taught and would be very willing learners, something Irish heritage McCartney would relish.

[ledge]

Hopefully it's not a mix up with Guy McKenna

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Are you saying what is happening at Collingwood is a good thing?

I am not intimate enough with it to know but it could be. Leaders must be respected and be backed to assert the culture of their vision. Gen Y or whatever culture that does not have sufficient respect for leadership and would rather promote their views and expectations in opposition to the leader, undermine the leadership and disrespect the club in preference to their own agenda.

[Topdog]

I am not intimate enough with it to know but it could be. Leaders must be respected and be backed to assert the culture of their vision. Gen Y or whatever culture that does not have sufficient respect for leadership and would rather promote their views and expectations in opposition to the leader, undermine the leadership and disrespect the club in preference to their own agenda.

Well they have gone down every season under Buck's leadership so perhaps it needs to be questioned.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I am not intimate enough with it to know but it could be. Leaders must be respected and be backed to assert the culture of their vision. Gen Y or whatever culture that does not have sufficient respect for leadership and would rather promote their views and expectations in opposition to the leader, undermine the leadership and disrespect the club in preference to their own agenda.
Two examples of ingrained respect for leadership that results in order and efficacy are the court room and umpiring. In both cases dissent is not tolerated, in cricket players must not even have body language that dissents. So ultimate respect is given to the call of the leader and it prevents resentment being aired and gaining followers in opposition to the leader. By contrast in the classroom nowadays students often swear at teachers, get their parents to complain etc and teachers can be morooned.
Leaders must have ultimate respect for ultimate performance of the group. Before you say the respect must be earned, no not in a good community: respect of a leader must be supported at every level of the culture.
So it must be for McCartney and Buckley if their clubs are to flourish. If a player has a grievance, sort it out or get out. Don't infect others, don't put yourself before the club because that is the antithesis of team.
No 'I' in 'team'.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Well they have gone down every season under Buck's leadership so perhaps it needs to be questioned.

That is the job of the committee not the players. Their job is to not infect other players with their misgivings but to access whatever forum the club provides. Leadership is extremely vulnerable to dissent and must be protected. Buckley inherited a lot of cowboys that had some very shady associates. Those players were talented but wanted to do things their way. Who wants a club like that, it's a recipe that could undermine not just a struggling club but also the greatest club in Australia. Essendon have fallen and so could Collingwood if mismanaged.
It may be that Buckley is not a good people manager but it could also be that players don't respect that leadership must be ultimately respected for the good of the group. Umpires make wrong calls but if players therefore fail to accept the umpires judgement then we have a game without order.

[bornadog]

Tutt to Richmond?

[Twodogs]

Tutt to Richmond?


Cool. They are lunatics to trade with.

[KT31]

Tutt to Richmond?

The Hun reported Melbourne.

[Remi Moses]

I really despise this argument. How do we know that the reason for leaving is fiscal?

We sound like a dead-set bunch of povo's with talk like that, who's that going to attract to our club? Despite our financial situation, it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy that we can't afford good players.
Like everyone here I'm merely speculating that it is money.
I should say hypothetically speaking if we offer a player more money than we think they're worth, then we shouldn't .

[Guido]

Leaders must have ultimate respect for ultimate performance of the group. Before you say the respect must be earned, no not in a good community: respect of a leader must be supported at every level of the culture.
So it must be for McCartney and Buckley if their clubs are to flourish. If a player has a grievance, sort it out or get out. Don't infect others, don't put yourself before the club because that is the antithesis of team.
No 'I' in 'team'.
Yeah, but what if the leader is shit?

Should the same unconditional, unquestionable faith have applied to Rohde? With Cross and Gilbee ready to leave should every player with valid reservations have shut their mouths and accepted having a muppet in charge, rather than giving the relevant people an inside perspective, fight for change and the betterment of the club?

Hypothetically, if a couple of higher calibre young players were uncontracted now (say Hrovat, JJ or Stringer) and also wanted to walk making it 6-7 wanting out, everybody should just shut the **** up and bow to leader?

[Remi Moses]

I think we may have tipped over the edge in regards to player empowerment .
Gary Ablett ( as much as it will be denied) has a massive say on the coach

[Remi Moses]

Yeah, but what if the leader is shit?

Should the same unconditional, unquestionable faith have applied to Rohde? With Cross and Gilbee ready to leave should every player with valid reservations have shut their mouths and accepted having a muppet in charge, rather than giving the relevant people an inside perspective, fight for change and the betterment of the club?

Hypothetically, if a couple of higher calibre young players were uncontracted now (say Hrovat, JJ or Stringer) and also wanted to walk making it 6-7 wanting out, everybody should just shut the **** up and bow to leader?

Make a good point, but honestly are the players now having to much to say?
The Sanderson situation was totally insane, and players denied any involvement .
Must admit I'm beginning to worry how this is going to end, as the jungle drums beat louder

[LostDoggy]

I know its Barret and Wallace, but Wallace made a good point when discussing this on trade radio, if (and they were certain there is) significant player unrest there is no going back, you can not repair that loss of relationship, it sits and festers, peformance will suffer, its either goodbye to the coach, or goodbye to the players who have an issue.

[LostDoggy]

I know its Barret and Wallace, but Wallace made a good point when discussing this on trade radio, if (and they were certain there is) significant player unrest there is no going back, you can not repair that loss of relationship, it sits and festers, peformance will suffer, its either goodbye to the coach, or goodbye to the players who have an issue.

Yep I tend to agree

[Before I Die]

I know its Barret and Wallace, but Wallace made a good point when discussing this on trade radio, if (and they were certain there is) significant player unrest there is no going back, you can not repair that loss of relationship, it sits and festers, peformance will suffer, its either goodbye to the coach, or goodbye to the players who have an issue.

Isn't it possible that we have just seen the departure of the players who have an issue. How many years at a club do you need to have before you are described as a senior player? Is the senior vs junior player unrest between the the 5+ year players who have struggled to cement a place and the 1st and 2nd year players who have taken their spots. Hrovat and JJ have moved ahead of Tutt. Stringer has displaced Jones.

Jones and Tutt would have been playing for their careers next year, if they were given any games. This is a win win for player and club.

[bornadog]

Well Talia apparently rumoured wanting to walk says he will not.

[SlimPickens]

Well Talia apparently rumoured wanting to walk says he will not.

What do you mean BAD?

[bornadog]

What do you mean BAD?

Just a rumour:


BULLDOGS ONLINE can confirm after speaking to sources that Michael Talia WILL remain at the Football Club in 2015 and Beyond.

He had been rumored in the last 24 Hours to be leaving after the departures of Liam Jones, Shaun Higgins and Jason Tutt

and probbaly just talk.

[azabob]

Just a rumour:



and probbaly just talk.

What is bulldogs online?

[azabob]

Being reported that Tutt has nominated Carlton.

[The Underdog]

Being reported that Tutt has nominated Carlton.

Perhaps we can package he and Jones for a better deal

[Doc26]

Being reported that Tutt has nominated Carlton.

They just might become a threat to us for our tilt at back to back flags.

[bulldogtragic]

Being reported that Tutt has nominated Carlton.

I just heard a loud dull noise in Bendigo. Can anyone can confirm a collective sigh coming from Lygon Street area.

[azabob]

Perhaps we can package he and Jones for a better deal

It will be interesting. Carlton have pick 26, which you would assume is put aside for Jaskch, and the 43 & 62.

They will also get compo for Waite. Assume 3rd or 4th round.

I still think we will get at best two third round picks for both or most likely outcome 3rd and 4th round pick.

[Go_Dogs]

It will be interesting. Carlton have pick 26, which you would assume is put aside for Jaskch, and the 43 & 62.

They will also get compo for Waite. Assume 3rd or 4th round.

I still think we will get at best two third round picks for both or most likely outcome 3rd and 4th round pick.

Maybe Carlton have to swap their first round selection for GWS' second and third round picks (or similar) and we can ask for Carlton's second round selection? Lots o water to go under the bridge so not concerned at the moment.

[azabob]

Maybe Carlton have to swap their first round selection for GWS' second and third round picks (or similar) and we can ask for Carlton's second round selection? Lots o water to go under the bridge so not concerned at the moment.

Yeah perhaps.

Clearly I'm not very good at this!!

There are no players on Carlton's list we need that are getable.

[comrade]

Matthew Watson anyone?

[anfo27]

The Dogs are one of a handful of clubs also tracking GWS academy player Jack Steele.

The powerful midfielder from Canberra was overlooked last year after knee troubles but Giants list manager Stephen Silvagni has praised his decision-making and execution.

[azabob]

Matthew Watson anyone?

Why has he struggled at Carlton? First round pick, in and out of the team.

I think the knock is his lack of pace.

[Bulldog4life]

Being reported that Tutt has nominated Carlton.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carlton-blues/western-bulldogs-afl-utility-jason-tutt-wants-to-join-carlton-20141001-10opex.html

Talks are underway for Canberra's most recent AFL draftee, Jason Tutt, to join Carlton.

Tutt has told the Western Bulldogs he wants to go to the Blues when trading is done between October 6-16.

The 23-year-old has managed only 27 games since being taken at pick 31 in the 2009 draft. He played just seven games this year as he fell down the pecking order in the club's list of small forwards.

The Blues have been in talks with the Bulldogs about a trade, which could be achieved by as little as a fourth-round selection, which is currently pick 62.

Tutt's manager Nick Gieschen said his client had told Bulldogs coach Brendan McCartney that he would like a trade and was hopeful of making it happen next week.

"If we can get him to Carlton, it would be a good result," Gieschen said. "It's about more opportunities, a fresh start and a new environment.

"He's been at the club for five years and they have got a lot of smaller forward types. He probably sees Carlton as a better opportunity to get a more consistent game in the AFL side."

The Blues have picks six, 26, 43, 62, 80, 98 and 116 in the upcoming draft.

Tutt is the third Bulldogs player in a week to quit the club following free agent Shaun Higgins and Liam Jones, who knocked back the club's latest contract offer.

A product of Ainslie, Tutt was brought on slowly by the Bulldogs before he made his AFL debut in round 22 of 2011 against Port Adelaide.

Tutt's first three kicks in the AFL were goals and he finished his first game with 26 disposals and four goals.

However, he has since struggled to establish himself in the Bulldogs side.

After playing in the final three games of the 2011 season, Tutt wasn't picked until round 15 in 2012, making five appearances for the year.

He was selected in a career-high 11 games last year before playing just seven matches this season, the majority of those in an unfamiliar defensive role

[Doc26]

Matthew Watson anyone?


Why has he struggled at Carlton? First round pick, in and out of the team.

I think the knock is his lack of pace.

He did fracture his foot towards the end of the 2013 season. This may have hampered his development and opportunity this season. He could fill the void left recently for players with disproportionate head sizes.

[ledge]

He has good hands, they threw him up forward and he performed quite well

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Matthew Watson anyone?

He is average as a defender, but I watched him live v Essendon in the last round up forward and he was excellent. He is a great user of the ball.

If we could do Jones + Tutt for Watson & a third rounder that would be a good result.

[EasternWest]

He did fracture his foot towards the end of the 2013 season. This may have hampered his development and opportunity this season. He could fill the void left recently for players with disproportionate head sizes.

I would have been disappointed if this hadn't been brought up.

That melon is ginormous.

[GVGjr]

Matthew Watson anyone?

I had a good look at their list and he is one of just 3 players I might consider.
Take away their better players an their depth is tested quickly.

[bornadog]

The more I think about the more I think the current coaching has tried make Tutt a player he isn't, that is one that cracks in. The guy is an outside running player and that is the way we should have been playing him. You can't have everyone cracking in, have a look at the grandfinalists with Hill and Jetta on their team. We already lack pace.

Oh well, maybe we will end up with a better player.

[azabob]

I had a good look at their list and he is one of just 3 players I might consider.
Take away their better players an their depth is tested quickly.

Who were the other two?

[Greystache]

The more I think about the more I think the current coaching has tried make Tutt a player he isn't, that is one that cracks in. The guy is an outside running player and that is the way we should have been playing him. You can't have everyone cracking in, have a look at the grandfinalists with Hill and Jetta on their team. We already lack pace.

Oh well, maybe we will end up with a better player.

Jetta had 4 possessions for the entire game, and he's a hell of a lot more talented.

Soft outside runners are as obsolete as the play on at all costs game plan. Tutt isn't an AFL player, he's just another poor selection from a shocking era of recruiting for the club.

[GVGjr]

The more I think about the more I think the current coaching has tried make Tutt a player he isn't, that is one that cracks in. The guy is an outside running player and that is the way we should have been playing him. You can't have everyone cracking in, have a look at the grandfinalists with Hill and Jetta on their team. We already lack pace.

Oh well, maybe we will end up with a better player.

You need players that can adapt and while you have drawn the analogy of asking Tutt to crack in, I don't think that was the case.
He was asked to have a more defensive ethic and I don't believe he's been asked to crack in.

Hill and Everitt were asked to change the way they played in fact they were moved on after we backed ourselves to make them better players but we couldn't get them to play the way we wanted.

It just doesn't work some times.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Jetta had 4 possessions for the entire game, and he's a hell of a lot more talented.

Soft outside runners are as obsolete as the play on at all costs game plan. Tutt isn't an AFL player, he's just another poor selection from a shocking era of recruiting for the club.

Yep.

And for all of Jettas talent, his Grand Final will go down as one of the worst of all time. He was embarrassing.

[bornadog]

Yep.

And for all of Jettas talent, his Grand Final will go down as one of the worst of all time. He was embarrassing.

Got knocked out which didn't help his cause.

[jeemak]

The more I think about the more I think the current coaching has tried make Tutt a player he isn't, that is one that cracks in. The guy is an outside running player and that is the way we should have been playing him. You can't have everyone cracking in, have a look at the grandfinalists with Hill and Jetta on their team. We already lack pace.

Oh well, maybe we will end up with a better player.

I don't think he was made to do anything more than being a rounded contributor.

The times he played outside his concrete hands and tendency to panic with the ball hurt him and he paid for it by minimal opportunities in that role.

If he gets more opportunities in what he sees as his niche as a small half forward then good luck to him. I'll take Hrovat, Dall and Hunter over him any day of the week .

[bornadog]

I don't think he was made to do anything more than being a rounded contributor.

The times he played outside his concrete hands and tendency to panic with the ball hurt him and he paid for it by minimal opportunities in that role.

If he gets more opportunities in what he sees as his niche as a small half forward then good luck to him. I'll take Hrovat, Dall and Hunter over him any day of the week .

Don't worry, I m not sad to see him go. For me the jury was still out on him.

[craigsahibee]

Jetta had 4 possessions for the entire game, and he's a hell of a lot more talented.

Soft outside runners are as obsolete as the play on at all costs game plan. Tutt isn't an AFL player, he's just another poor selection from a shocking era of recruiting for the club.

He's a softball player or should that be a soft, ball player.

[Sedat]

Jetta had 4 possessions for the entire game, and he's a hell of a lot more talented.

Soft outside runners are as obsolete as the play on at all costs game plan. Tutt isn't an AFL player, he's just another poor selection from a shocking era of recruiting for the club.
Yep, outside players still need to get their hands dirty when required. Stephen Hill and his brother Brad are perfect examples of players who are devastating on the outside but aren't afraid to get down and dirty when needed. Tutt is simply an ordinary footballer who suffers from the Ron Deuilio disease - too good for VFL and not good enough for AFL.

[jeemak]

Yep, outside players still need to get their hands dirty when required. Stephen Hill and his brother Brad are perfect examples of players who are devastating on the outside but aren't afraid to get down and dirty when needed. Tutt is simply an ordinary footballer who suffers from the Ron Deuilio disease - too good for VFL and not good enough for AFL.

Blast from the past!

I remember a Carlton game from 1992 (because my bro incessantly replayed The Gathering Storm) when I was a kid and ol' Ronny took it up to Tony Shaw big time......and that was about it for him.

Tutt had the tools to begin with, but he never developed a harder edge mentally and it affected his ability to keep up with the players around him who could hold on to the footy and use it when their chances presented themselves.

I look at players like Jones, Tutt and Howard, and don't lament the fact they haven't been given opportunities to improve. Whilst the club will ultimately pay for drafting them and not getting the output from them it would have hoped, in my view a lot of the onus comes down to the players for not getting the best out of themselves.

[Remi Moses]

Tutt as Sedat put it, is a between AFL and VFL type.
Panic's and has hands of concrete, whereas although Jetta had a shocker in the GF he is excellent with ball in hand .
If you're going to be an outside type you have to have good composure and good skills, and Tutt has average disposal and awful composure.

[soupman]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carlton-blues/western-bulldogs-afl-utility-jason-tutt-wants-to-join-carlton-20141001-10opex.html

...selected in a carrer-high 11 games last year before playing just seven matches this season, the majority of those in an unfamiliar defensive role

I don't recall this.

Theres only a couple of players on Carltons list that I think might be interesting targets:
Matthew Watson: High draft pick, KPP player at either end, huge kick, bigger head. For some reason he has never been more than a fringe player at the Blues, but my impression is that he uses it well which would b a nice change, his long kicking could be a point of difference out of defence and he might be gettable for Jones and Tutt. Not sure Carlton rate him that highly atm.

Cameron Giles: Admittedly I know nothing about him, but a young KPP who was picked at 39 in last years draft. Could be an option if we think he is decent and Carltons second round pick is already gone.

Tom Bell: I know he is more of what we already have but I believe we chased him a few years ago. Is actually rated by Carlton but we may be a chance of prying him loose

Jeff Garlett is the other one who would actually be available and is a decent player, I just don't think he fits our needs.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

You need players that can adapt and while you have drawn the analogy of asking Tutt to crack in, I don't think that was the case.
He was asked to have a more defensive ethic and I don't believe he's been asked to crack in.

Hill and Everitt were asked to change the way they played in fact they were moved on after we backed ourselves to make them better players but we couldn't get them to play the way we wanted.

It just doesn't work some times.

Is Jones in the same boat? Waited for him to get better and didnt? Would be funny if so as Carlton will have all of Tutt, Jones and Everitt.....very interesting to see what kind of players they turn out to be under Malthouse. Everitt had an ok year. Good by his standards. Hill certainly improved at West Coast. But at the end of the day these players are not going to pull you over the line in a final. They are simply handy players to have when all is going well and things are easy.

[Hot_Doggies]

I don't recall this.

Theres only a couple of players on Carltons list that I think might be interesting targets:
Matthew Watson: High draft pick, KPP player at either end, huge kick, bigger head. For some reason he has never been more than a fringe player at the Blues, but my impression is that he uses it well which would b a nice change, his long kicking could be a point of difference out of defence and he might be gettable for Jones and Tutt. Not sure Carlton rate him that highly atm.

Bad call "soupaman".

Watson is way too slow. Struggles in defence and got lucky in round 23 with a few cheap goals. If Carlton are serious about list management he should be delisted.

Take the draft pick and move on

[soupman]

Bad call "soupaman".

Watson is way too slow. Struggles in defence and got lucky in round 23 with a few cheap goals. If Carlton are serious about list management he should be delisted.

Take the draft pick and move on

Yeah just spoke to a Carlton supporter who said similiar things. Still at least we could add him to the talls of shame thread.

[bornadog]

Yeah just spoke to a Carlton supporter who said similiar things. Still at least we could add him to the talls of shame thread.

If he was any good then they wouldn't want Liam.

[Hot_Doggies]

Nice little dig at our senior players from Bomber Thompson last night at b&f.

Said our senior players won't adapt and are roadblocks.

[bornadog]

Nice little dig at our senior players from Bomber Thompson last night at b&f.

Said our senior players won't adapt and are roadblocks.

Why is he commenting on our players? Is this still sour grapes over losing Crameri?

[Murphy'sLore]

He made reference to the Crows as well I believe. I can just see Brenton Sanderson, Macca and Bomber getting together for a convivial whinge about their jobs and a debrief, poor form of Bomber to reveal it in public though.

[bornadog]

He made reference to the Crows as well I believe. I can just see Brenton Sanderson, Macca and Bomber getting together for a convivial whinge about their jobs and a debrief, poor form of Bomber to reveal it in public though.

I have a very low opinion of Bomber, especially what has happened at that club over the pass few years. He is not squeeky clean.

[Ghost Dog]

You need players that can adapt and while you have drawn the analogy of asking Tutt to crack in, I don't think that was the case.
He was asked to have a more defensive ethic and I don't believe he's been asked to crack in.

Hill and Everitt were asked to change the way they played in fact they were moved on after we backed ourselves to make them better players but we couldn't get them to play the way we wanted.

It just doesn't work some times.

Hill and Everitt were terrible defensively. Josh's body would go all floppy as soon as the direction of the ball changed. Used to drive me mad.

[westdog54]

Is Jones in the same boat? Waited for him to get better and didnt? Would be funny if so as Carlton will have all of Tutt, Jones and Everitt.....very interesting to see what kind of players they turn out to be under Malthouse. Everitt had an ok year. Good by his standards. Hill certainly improved at West Coast. But at the end of the day these players are not going to pull you over the line in a final. They are simply handy players to have when all is going well and things are easy.

Hill was the sole beneficiary of Mark LeCras missing most of a season. If they are at full strength Josh Hill is nowhere near their best 22.

[LostDoggy]

Simon Garlick on trade radio from 9:30ish.

[Bulldog4life]

Simon Garlick on trade radio from 9:30ish.

Thanks. Yes will be listening.

[Bulldog4life]

Simon Garlick on trade radio from 9:30ish.

ps: Has he been on?

[Dogmatic]

Tutt is simply an ordinary footballer who suffers from the Ron Deuilio disease - too good for VFL and not good enough for AFL.

Isn't it also known as the john ballantyne disease

[Doc26]

ps: Has he been on?

No. Not until ~09:45.

Carlton expect their 3rd round for Liam Jones.

[Bulldog4life]

No. Not until ~09:45.

Carlton expect their 3rd round for Liam Jones.

Thanks just heard he is on soon.

[LostDoggy]

By the sounds of Garlic we will be very active in the draft period to bring in players to compliment the great drafting in the last 3 years.

Confirmed we are looking at Jansch and Membrey.

Also mentioned we will be lobbying for a band 2 (end of first round) for Higgins.

[LostDoggy]

I think Sam Reid is very much in our sights off Garlick's round-a-bout answer. Thinking if Higgins is band 2 end of first round compo then Reid is at the dogs.

[LostDoggy]

My notes from the interview.

Really dissatisfied with the year internally, very comprehensive and strong review of the entire program, coaches and list. That created some discomfort in the playing group. But all are now aligned and committed to the future.

Really good core group of under 23 midfielders which is comparable to the best in the league. Now need to compliment that with KP stocks, slight change in drafting as core focus, we'll be very aggressive in adding to our list, proactive look at trade period.

[LostDoggy]

Also,
Target Liam Jones at Carlton's 2nd rounder, that's where they see his worth.
Membrey has only played 1 game. We'd not entertain a late first round or second round pick for him.
Not a lot of internal discussion on Carlton's Robinson or Garlett.
VFL development program integral to our success. Development of players as focused benefit, Ancillary benefits to supporter basis, community under estimated.

[Twodogs]

Thanks for that stevw9. Really good report.

[bulldogsman]

I think Sam Reid is very much in our sights off Garlick's round-a-bout answer. Thinking if Higgins is band 2 end of first round compo then Reid is at the dogs.

He said Reid was quite content at Sydney, has a girlfriend there. Sounded like to me there's only a slim chance of Reid coming to the dogs.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Yeah, but what if the leader is shit?

Should the same unconditional, unquestionable faith have applied to Rohde? With Cross and Gilbee ready to leave should every player with valid reservations have shut their mouths and accepted having a muppet in charge, rather than giving the relevant people an inside perspective, fight for change and the betterment of the club?

Hypothetically, if a couple of higher calibre young players were uncontracted now (say Hrovat, JJ or Stringer) and also wanted to walk making it 6-7 wanting out, everybody should just shut the **** up and bow to leader?
Yes, the faith should be fortified for the tenure or else the whole structure suffers. You seem anxious that I am suggesting totalitarianism. The coach as a dictator. No of course not and bad leaders need to be decommissioned asap. But of course bad leaders don’t come with a label or else they wouldn’t get the job in the first place. There needs to be a due process that protects the position and the incumbent until the clubs committee deems the coach gets the boot. If judges and umpires were open to criticism the court and game become a farce. If cricketers were opposing the umpires decision, the game becomes a joke. If the accused was able to lambast the judge there would be less respect for the law. Respect for the law is essential even though the law cannot possibly be correct all the time.
If doubt in the leader is too readily given a forum, then the leader and the team are exposed to human anxiety, individual and minority self interest which unnecessarily undermines the structure. The Peter Rhodes of this world are a minority, there have been more leaders undermined unnecessarily. The greater evil is the lack of support for the leader as opposed to bad leaders being given tenure. Umpiring and the judicial system function well because of the support for the leader which is unequalled in other fields. The club, the community, the organisation functions better when leadership is supported.
Of course a system for dealing with the Peter Rhode judges and umpires of this world is needed and in place in our society and the AFL but it is not done by judging them in a free market scenario such as Tutt and Jones wanting out because they don't like being put in the twos. Anyone can throw shit and it sticks.
With coaches and leaders, use the “principal of generosity” as opposed to critical thinking; give them a decent time frame to be good before being critical and realise airing criticism means you too are Brutus, “ Et tu Brute” and undermine the club or group in so doing.

[bornadog]

My notes from the interview.

Really dissatisfied with the year internally, very comprehensive and strong review of the entire program, coaches and list. That created some discomfort in the playing group. But all are now aligned and committed to the future.

Really good core group of under 23 midfielders which is comparable to the best in the league. Now need to compliment that with KP stocks, slight change in drafting as core focus, we'll be very aggressive in adding to our list, proactive look at trade period.

Thankyou for the info.

He also said on Higgins: We'll assess that on Friday. We'll be advised of his offer on Friday, we need to make a decision whether we match it

[LostDoggy]

Confirmed we are looking at Jansch



Sorry is this Jaensch from Adelaide or Jaksch from GWS?

[bornadog]

Sorry is this Jaensch from Adelaide or Jaksch from GWS?

I believe Jaksch.

Listen here: https://soundcloud.com/nabtraderadio/simon-garlick-on-nab-trade-radio?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

[G-Mo77]

Sorry is this Jaensch from Adelaide or Jaksch from GWS?

Jaensch would be a great get, beautiful kick off the HBF for teh Crows. Doubt it's him though.

[bulldogsman]

Probably the biggest thing I got out of the Garlick interview was that that we will be more aggressive this trade period. The draft isn't as bigger priority as it has been in previous years.

I suspect we might be trying our hardest to land a big fish this year.

[G-Mo77]

Probably the biggest thing I got out of the Garlick interview was that that we will be more aggressive this trade period. The draft isn't as bigger priority as it has been in previous years.

I suspect we might be trying our hardest to land a big fish this year.

I thought the opposite. He mentioned that they are focused on building through the draft and didn't really elaborate much on opposition players although he said he wouldn't discuss in detail anyway.

[LostDoggy]

I thought the opposite. He mentioned that they are focused on building through the draft and didn't really elaborate much on opposition players although he said he wouldn't discuss in detail anyway.

I thought he mentioned they will be going away from going to the draft this year, which he acknowledged is a different approach to the last few years.


Also with Frawley chosing Hawthorn as his preferred destination, you would think he is chosing success over money and length of contract. Which could ruin Melbourne's chance of getting prioirty 1 compensation and highely increase our chances of securing Peter Wright.

[G-Mo77]

I thought he mentioned they will be going away from going to the draft this year, which he acknowledged is a different approach to the last few years.



OK I'll take both your words for it then. I was playing with little G-Mo77 at the time and he was making a bit of noise.

[Remi Moses]

Personally think our priority should be attack the draft .
Reports are it's pretty deep for bigs and not Mids.
I just don't get the philosophy of shipping out periphery players and bringing in other periphery players.
We've beefed up the recruiting, so let's utilise it .I think we'd be doing cartwheels to get an end of round 1 for Higgins.
I'd look at packaging up Tutt and Jones for their second and giving them our third.

[BulldogBelle]

Personally think our priority should be attack the draft .
Reports are it's pretty deep for bigs and not Mids.
I just don't get the philosophy of shipping out periphery players and bringing in other periphery players.
We've beefed up the recruiting, so let's utilise it .I think we'd be doing cartwheels to get an end of round 1 for Higgins.
I'd look at packaging up Tutt and Jones for their second and giving them our third.

That would be perfect for Jones and Tutt but l don't know if the Blues would want to hand over their 2nd.

If we got an end of first for Higgins l would be doing cartwheels.:)

[bornadog]

Personally think our priority should be attack the draft .
Reports are it's pretty deep for bigs and not Mids.
I just don't get the philosophy of shipping out periphery players and bringing in other periphery players.
We've beefed up the recruiting, so let's utilise it .I think we'd be doing cartwheels to get an end of round 1 for Higgins.
I'd look at packaging up Tutt and Jones for their second and giving them our third.

Jones for pick 26, then give Sydney 25 and 26 for Sam Reid, but is Jones worth 26??

[chef]

Jones for pick 26, then give Sydney 25 and 26 for Sam Reid, but is Jones worth 26??

No, but then again Reid isn't worth the 2 picks either.

[Mantis]

Jones for pick 26, then give Sydney 25 and 26 for Sam Reid, but is Jones worth 26??

I would think Jones & Reid are almost at the straight swap stage.. Perhaps Reid has a bit more currency, but not by much.

[Remi Moses]

That would be perfect for Jones and Tutt but l don't know if the Blues would want to hand over their 2nd.

If we got an end of first for Higgins l would be doing cartwheels.:)

Maybe I should put that's what I pray happens

[westdog54]

Jones for pick 26, then give Sydney 25 and 26 for Sam Reid, but is Jones worth 26??

What happens with Zaine Cordy if we need to use a second rounder? Would mean another trade would be needed to get that trade done?

[bornadog]

I would think Jones & Reid are almost at the straight swap stage.. Perhaps Reid has a bit more currency, but not by much.

Yeah both played in a Grand final over the last week:D

[Greystache]

OK I'll take both your words for it then. I was playing with little G-Mo77 at the time and he was making a bit of noise.

Were the wife and kids out of the house? :D

[Templeton31]

I would think Jones & Reid are almost at the straight swap stage.. Perhaps Reid has a bit more currency, but not by much.

Reid has to be worth a lot more than Jones. Younger, better, playing in GF team vs not getting a game in the 13th placed team (or whatever we came). Also Reid is signed to a long term contract for Swans whereas Jones wants out and has nominated Carlton.

Having said all that if McCartney and the list management team think Reid is what we need then now is the best time to get him - 23yo, didnt have a great finals series and Swans still with 3 big forwards (Buddy, Tippett and Goodesy going round another year). If the assessment is Reid will be a great fit and player for us then now is the perfect time to get him as it will be when he is at his cheapest.

[Remi Moses]

Just listening to Wallace and Barrett.
They think we'll get a third rounder for Higgins!!
How does this work?

[bornadog]

Just listening to Wallace and Barrett.
They think we'll get a third rounder for Higgins!!
How does this work?

Garlick wants a band two, ie end of round one.

[Greystache]

Just listening to Wallace and Barrett.
They think we'll get a third rounder for Higgins!!
How does this work?

Barrett?

How does trawling through people's rubbish bins and inventing rumours make someone an expert on free agency compensation.

I'd be more inclined to listen to James Cumming's thoughts!

[Remi Moses]

Garlick wants a band two, ie end of round one.

Isn't it about contract size and wage?

[Greystache]

Isn't it about contract size and wage?

Plus age and length of contract, with the intangible subjective measure of career to date.

[bornadog]

Barrett?

How does trawling through people's rubbish bins and inventing rumours make someone an expert on free agency compensation.

I'd be more inclined to listen to James Cumming's thoughts!

Wallace said that not Barrett

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Wallet is approaching Purple Warrior for ultimate flog status.

[bornadog]

Hungry Dogs eye Swans talls in trade period



THE WESTERN Bulldogs have expressed interest in Sydney Swans talls Sam Reid and Tim Membrey as the club prepares to deal aggressively in the NAB AFL Trade Period.

story h (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/dogs-eye-swans-talls)ere

[1eyedog]

I guess the Carlisle article will be out next week then.

The writings been on the wall for Membrey all year considering how far behind he is in the pecking order.

I guess we have been looking to shore a KPP up for some time which may explain the apparent nonchalance of Jones leaving.

[bornadog]

I guess the Carlisle article will be out next week then.

The writings been on the wall for Membrey all year considering how far behind he is in the pecking order.

I guess we have been looking to shore a KPP up for some time which may explain the apparent nonchalance of Jones leaving.

Either way, we are going hard in the trade period. Be prepared to maybe trade out another player???? who knows what can happen.

[G-Mo77]

Were the wife and kids out of the house? :D

Haha. Nice one Grey. :)

[Dry Rot]

Hungry Dogs eye Swans talls in trade period




story h (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/dogs-eye-swans-talls)ere

Disappointing and disturbing news.

Club is panicking.

[bornadog]

The Western Bulldogs are looking at trading their First Round Pick (#5) and a player to Melbourne for the James Frawley Compensation Pick (If it is Pick #3) to recruit a Key Forward in this years National Draft according to Brett Anderson from Inside Footy.

[bornadog]

Disappointing and disturbing news.

Club is panicking.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion.

[Remi Moses]

Disappointing and disturbing news.

Club is panicking.

So what's your plan of attack?

[bulldogtragic]

The Western Bulldogs are looking at trading their First Round Pick (#5) and a player to Melbourne for the James Frawley Compensation Pick (If it is Pick #3) to recruit a Key Forward in this years National Draft according to Brett Anderson from Inside Footy.

Please be Tutt. Please be Tutt.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The Western Bulldogs are looking at trading their First Round Pick (#5) and a player to Melbourne for the James Frawley Compensation Pick (If it is Pick #3) to recruit a Key Forward in this years National Draft according to Brett Anderson from Inside Footy.
Think that is looking very unlikely now. Dont see Melbourne getting pick 3. Still think we can get Wright at Pick 5 though

[Remi Moses]

The Western Bulldogs are looking at trading their First Round Pick (#5) and a player to Melbourne for the James Frawley Compensation Pick (If it is Pick #3) to recruit a Key Forward in this years National Draft according to Brett Anderson from Inside Footy.

Melbourne would want one of our young guns, and can't see that happening.

[Greystache]

Disappointing and disturbing news.

Club is panicking.

I'm at a loss as to how you can draw this conclusion from that article.

[Throughandthrough]

The Western Bulldogs are looking at trading their First Round Pick (#5) and a player to Melbourne for the James Frawley Compensation Pick (If it is Pick #3) to recruit a Key Forward in this years National Draft according to Brett Anderson from Inside Footy.

A problem with this is that theres no guarantee who will go 1 and 2, so you would have to make sure you are very happy with the third best option. But if its only an "average" player we are losing i'd take this

[bornadog]

Think that is looking very unlikely now. Dont see Melbourne getting pick 3. Still think we can get Wright at Pick 5 though

maybe we are thinking Wright will be gone by 5?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

maybe we are thinking Wright will be gone by 5?
Yeah you would think if we do the trade we are certain that is the case. Problem is we don't know who will have pick 4 yet

[wimberga]

I think we are thinking that if we get pushed back to 6 we won't be able to get Wright, but if we keep 5 its more likely.

[bornadog]

I think we are thinking that if we get pushed back to 6 we won't be able to get Wright, but if we keep 5 its more likely.

Good point, I guess we will know more after tomorrow.

[Dry Rot]

I'm at a loss as to how you can draw this conclusion from that article.

Also have read reports of his radio interview.

The good players on the trade table are gone (Ryder, Frawley, possibly Clark) so if we're active trading this season then we're pissing away good picks on mediocre players or those we don't need (Reid and Membrey).

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Depends who the packaged player is.

In other words, not a Hrovat/Smith/JJ type.

[Dry Rot]

Who in the their right mind would want to go to the Demons?

[mighty_west]

Also have read reports of his radio interview.

The good players on the trade table are Ryder, Frawley, possibly Clark) so if we're active trading this season then we're pissing away good picks on mediocre players or those we don't need (Reid and Membrey).

I like Reid as a forward and a good upgrade on Liam Jones, if we were to land either Wright or McCartin, that would be a great result for us imo.

[Pedro Sanchez]

I like Reid as a forward and a good upgrade on Liam Jones, if we were to land either Wright or McCartin, that would be a great result for us imo.

Agreed. Can’t understand why people are so anti-Reid. He has a few injury niggles but two years ago he was earmarked as the next big key forward coming through.

He is 10 times the player Jones is/will be. If we can get him at the right price, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

[Remi Moses]

Agreed. Can’t understand why people are so anti-Reid. He has a few injury niggles but two years ago he was earmarked as the next big key forward coming through.

He is 10 times the player Jones is/will be. If we can get him at the right price, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

I'm in your camp .
Reid's been utilised terribly by Sydney, as they've used him as an LRT replacement ( he's clearly not) a ruckmen, a wingmen and basically get out of the way of Buddy and Kirt.

[Dry Rot]

I'm in your camp .
Reid's been utilised terribly by Sydney, as they've used him as an LRT replacement ( he's clearly not) a ruckmen, a wingmen and basically get out of the way of Buddy and Kirt.

I'm not.

Have seen too much of Reid up here. Ordinary player.

Buddy and Kirk weren't always there, and Goodes has been injured in recent years. Reid has never shown much.

[Pedro Sanchez]

I'm in your camp .
Reid's been utilised terribly by Sydney, as they've used him as an LRT replacement ( he's clearly not) a ruckmen, a wingmen and basically get out of the way of Buddy and Kirt.

Yeah I think he’s been royally stitched by the arrival of Franklin and Tippet, as well as the slowing down of Goodes (due to age) which has seen him move more permanently forward. Go back to 2012 and in particular the GF, he was the starting CHF. The bloke is serious quality who has been shunted out of his preferred positions – either FF or CHF because of the arrival of other elite talent.

Like I said, would snap him up in a flash if the opportunity arose…

[LostDoggy]

I'm not.

Have seen too much of Reid up here. Ordinary player.

Buddy and Kirk weren't always there, and Goodes has been injured in recent years. Reid has never shown much.

Wouldn't think a club would offer someone a 5 year deal who hasn't showed much.

[Dry Rot]

Wouldn't think a club would offer someone a 5 year deal who hasn't showed much.

Swans panicked when GWS came onto the scene, offering bizarre deals to Reid and Mitchell.

[Remi Moses]

Swans panicked when GWS came onto the scene, offering bizarre deals to Reid and Mitchell.

Not sure about that. Don't think they've got a history of panicking .

[mighty_west]

Not sure about that. Don't think they've got a history of panicking .

Agreed, crazy talk.

[Dry Rot]

Not sure about that. Don't think they've got a history of panicking .

IIRC that was the reasoning behind those two strange contracts.

[chef]

So Reid is on 500k a year with still 3 years on his contract, can we see him taking a pay cut to join us?

As we wouldn't match that wage would we

[chef]

IIRC that was the reasoning behind those two strange contracts.

Reid 5 years at 500k and Mitchell on 450k is some crazy money. Lucky they have COLA.

[Twodogs]

Reid 5 years at 500k and Mitchell on 450k is some crazy money. Lucky they have COLA.

Yep. Because the COLA explains why two kids are getting a quarter mill. each more than than they should.


Anyway Dry Rot is right. Sydney overreacted when GWS came calling and gave Reid a silly contract. Good luck to him. He made out like a bandit.

[boydogs]

The Western Bulldogs are looking at trading their First Round Pick (#5) and a player to Melbourne for the James Frawley Compensation Pick (If it is Pick #3) to recruit a Key Forward in this years National Draft according to Brett Anderson from Inside Footy.


Please be Tutt. Please be Tutt.

I think that's what we're offering, pick 6 & Tutt for pick 3 to get Wright. Good move if we can get it done IMO

[bulldogtragic]

I think that's what we're offering, pick 6 & Tutt for pick 3 to get Wright. Good move if we can get it done IMO

If Melbourne do that, they're a joke. I mean good for us, but they can take him the PSD for free.

[boydogs]

If Melbourne do that, they're a joke. I mean good for us, but they can take him the PSD for free.

They may want Jarrod Pickett or another mid if Toumpas isn't coming along, instead of a KPP. Every chance Lever, McCartin, & Wright will go 3, 4 & 5. The swap could be everything to us but nothing to them

[Dancin' Douggy]

Can we gouge out Toumpas and pick 3, for pick 5 and Garlett? Tutt to blues for Garlett?

[LostDoggy]

Can we gouge out Toumpas and pick 3, for pick 5 and Garlett? Tutt to blues for Garlett?

Lol, what?

[FrediKanoute]

I would think Jones & Reid are almost at the straight swap stage.. Perhaps Reid has a bit more currency, but not by much.

I think Reid has considerably more currency than Jones. Being in-out in a Premiership team vs a guy who can't get a game in a struggling team says a lot. That said I can see a straight swap occurring.

[FrediKanoute]

I think that's what we're offering, pick 6 & Tutt for pick 3 to get Wright. Good move if we can get it done IMO

The Dees would be nuts to take that........I mean crazy nuts

[LostDoggy]

That'd be like spending the night with Sophia Vergara, the Dees getting Joan Rivers and us throwing in the Vaseline because we feel bad.

[F'scary]

Durdin should still be available for pick 5 - I thought he looks like a prospect from his highlights package.

[GVGjr]

Kane Lucas could be part of a Jones trade to Carlton. I think we could do better

[Remi Moses]

Why on earth would we give up fringe players to get more fringe players??
Lucas is very ordinary

[Bulldog Revolution]

Kane Lucas could be part of a Jones trade to Carlton. I think we could do better

Just not the type of player we need - would be a disappointing outcome

[soupman]

Kane Lucas could be part of a Jones trade to Carlton. I think we could do better

Basically a slower version of Tutt. Do not want.

[Remi Moses]

Carlton would delist Lucas anyway!!
Please don't bring in fringe players . Please!!!

[jeemak]

They may want Jarrod Pickett or another mid if Toumpas isn't coming along, instead of a KPP. Every chance Lever, McCartin, & Wright will go 3, 4 & 5. The swap could be everything to us but nothing to them

The key to negotiating in a lot of ways. It's not about winning the deal per se.

[bulldogtragic]

Nearly 1,500 posts of nothing. :) Can we re-name it the Seinfeld thread?

If I wish upon a star tonight when I log into tomorrow there will be something worth my emotional investment of the past couple of weeks.

[Go_Dogs]

Apparently if we let Carlton take Z Cordy they'll swap their first round for our second and Jones.









Sorry BT. ;) all the talk of emotional investment got to me.

[bulldogtragic]

Apparently if we let Carlton take Z Cordy they'll swap their first round for our second and Jones.





Sorry BT. ;) all the talk of emotional investment got to me.

Ohhh. Weren't you ever told not take The Lord's name in vein? It's never funny apparently... :)

Another crack like that and we (In Zaine in the Brian) will charge you double for bandwagon membership. :)

Edit: we'd be so ripped off by that.

[Twodogs]

Apparently if we let Carlton take Z Cordy they'll swap their first round for our second and Jones.









Sorry BT. ;) all the talk of emotional investment got to me.


Ohhhh. You cheeky thing.

Hehe. That's pretty funny.

[ratsmac]

The HS reporting that Carlton get Jones for pick 43 and Tutt for pick 62

[Remi Moses]

The HS reporting that Carlton get Jones for pick 43 and Tutt for pick 62

If jones has done a deal we should be looking to Carlton to give us a pick in the 30's .
I think that's unders to be honest

[Dry Rot]

If jones has done a deal we should be looking to Carlton to give us a pick in the 30's .
I think that's unders to be honest

And if they don't, threaten to send Jones to the PSD and the bosom of St Kilda.

[Remi Moses]

In fairness we haven't heard what J McCartney thinks on that proposal, but my initial thought is unders.
Pick in the 30's is fair

[G-Mo77]

The HS reporting that Carlton get Jones for pick 43 and Tutt for pick 62

Gah, may as well hold out and try and convince him to stay. Worthless pick for 5 years of work on a KPF.

[chef]

The HS reporting that Carlton get Jones for pick 43 and Tutt for pick 62

Sounds about right.

The extra third round pick will be handy if thats what Cordy's going to cost.

Still some decent players to be found in the third round.

[1eyedog]

It may be slightly unders but If Crameri was worth mid-20s surely Jones is worth high-30s.

[chef]

It may be slightly unders but If Crameri was worth mid-20s surely Jones is worth high-30s.

Yep. If Jones had the same career at Carlton and we were offering a second rounder for him we would be going bananas about it.

[Mantis]

Gah, may as well hold out and try and convince him to stay. Worthless pick for 5 years of work on a KPF.

I think it's past that... I know that players have done a 180 when a trade hasn't eventuated, but I think Liam is pretty set on needing a fresh start, especially if the current coach stays in power.

Agree that a pick in the 40's is a poor return on our investment.

[LostDoggy]

Both for pick 26 thanks, otherwise go to the PSD. Pick 60-odd is worthless.

[LostDoggy]

Yep. If Jones had the same career at Carlton and we were offering a second rounder for him we would be going bananas about it.

In a nutshell. Whether or not we have put 5 years into him, Liam has showed his value as no more than a third rounder.

[1eyedog]

Both for pick 26 thanks, otherwise go to the PSD. Pick 60-odd is worthless.

The Mitch Honeychurch pick. I know he was a steal there and was probably overlooked because of his height.

[LostDoggy]

The Mitch Honeychurch pick. I know he was a steal there and was probably overlooked because of his height.

Yep that's right 1E, but we'd have to think that the focus is on real top end talent. As it stands we've already got P61 down there. Jong needs an upgrade pick, possibly Redpath. Ultimately most of our live picks will be in the 25-40 odd range after this trade period. Another mid, late 20's would be nice for Jones and Tutt combined.

[soupman]

Both for pick 26 thanks, otherwise go to the PSD. Pick 60-odd is worthless.

Not much of a threat with Tutt, and only a minor one with Jones. I don't think we have that much leverage tbh.

[chef]

Pick 26 for Tutt and Jones, Carlton would laugh at us.

[soupman]

How about something like:

Bulldogs give up: Pick 25, pick 26 (Higgins), Jones and Tutt, pick 61
Carlton give up: Pick 27
Sydney give up: Reid, Membrey, pick 36, pick 55

Bulldogs get: Reid, Membrey, pick 36, pick 55
Carlton get: Jones, Tutt, pick 61
Sydney get: Pick 25, 26, 27

Pretty confusing, but basically:
Carlton give up slightly more than what they would like for Jones and Tutt, but get a pretty average pick thrown in later (could get 55 instead if that helps). Hampson went for 28 last year so i don't think its too far off value, especially if they don't secure jaksch.

Sydney get rid of Reid's contract, Membrey gets an opportunity and since they are getting three second rounders (and they are a club which usually drafts only 3-4 players) they donate the rest of their picks that they won't use to sweeten the trade.

Bulldogs get Reid and Membrey, and end up with picks 5, 36, 42 (Cordy), 55 and 79.

Alternatively we could potentially get just Reid with the following:

Bulldogs give up: pick 26 (Higgins), Jones and Tutt, pick 61
Carlton give up: Pick 27
Sydney give up: Reid, pick 55

Sydney get: pick 26, pick 27
Carlton get: Jones, Tutt, pick 61
Bulldogs get: Reid, pick 55

Carlton's deal is the same.
Sydney get rid of Reid's contract and a pick they won't use for two pretty good second rounders. We could maybe be able to steal pick 36 but that'd be pushing it; would have to wait to the end of the trade period so Sydney are sure they won't be trading it elsewhere
Bulldogs get Reid and end up with picks 5, 25, 42 (Cordy), 55, 79. In this case 25 allows us to pick before Sydney and not after if it was rearranged differently.

I would probably prefer the first option, as the only real difference is Membrey comes for a 11 pick downgrade, meaning we get a slightly worse player at 36 but membrey joins the club instead of whoever we would get with our last live pick which you would imagine would be a pretty marginal prospect at pick 79/97.

[LostDoggy]

Pick 26 for Tutt and Jones, Carlton would laugh at us.

If they laugh then that's fine. The fact they're after these two, with their known shortfalls, is comical in itself.

[bornadog]

If they laugh then that's fine. The fact they're after these two, with their known shortfalls, is comical in itself.

Yes they rate them higher than we do.

[bulldogtragic]

How about something like:

Bulldogs give up: Pick 25, pick 26 (Higgins), Jones and Tutt, pick 61
Carlton give up: Pick 27
Sydney give up: Reid, Membrey, pick 36, pick 55

Bulldogs get: Reid, Membrey, pick 36, pick 55
Carlton get: Jones, Tutt, pick 61
Sydney get: Pick 25, 26, 27

Pretty confusing, but basically:
Carlton give up slightly more than what they would like for Jones and Tutt, but get a pretty average pick thrown in later (could get 55 instead if that helps). Hampson went for 28 last year so i don't think its too far off value, especially if they don't secure jaksch.

Sydney get rid of Reid's contract, Membrey gets an opportunity and since they are getting three second rounders (and they are a club which usually drafts only 3-4 players) they donate the rest of their picks that they won't use to sweeten the trade.

Bulldogs get Reid and Membrey, and end up with picks 5, 36, 42 (Cordy), 55 and 79.

Alternatively we could potentially get just Reid with the following:

Bulldogs give up: pick 26 (Higgins), Jones and Tutt, pick 61
Carlton give up: Pick 27
Sydney give up: Reid, pick 55

Sydney get: pick 26, pick 27
Carlton get: Jones, Tutt, pick 61
Bulldogs get: Reid, pick 55

Carlton's deal is the same.
Sydney get rid of Reid's contract and a pick they won't use for two pretty good second rounders. We could maybe be able to steal pick 36 but that'd be pushing it; would have to wait to the end of the trade period so Sydney are sure they won't be trading it elsewhere
Bulldogs get Reid and end up with picks 5, 25, 42 (Cordy), 55, 79. In this case 25 allows us to pick before Sydney and not after if it was rearranged differently.

I would probably prefer the first option, as the only real difference is Membrey comes for a 11 pick downgrade, meaning we get a slightly worse player at 36 but membrey joins the club instead of whoever we would get with our last live pick which you would imagine would be a pretty marginal prospect at pick 79/97.

What about if Zaine goes with our second rounder?

[1eyedog]

Wow imagine convincing Carlton to give out pick 27 essentially for Jones - coup of a lifetime!

As Chef said can't see it happening.

[LostDoggy]

Wow imagine convincing Carlton to give out pick 27 essentially for Jones - coup of a lifetime!

As Chef said can't see it happening.

Doubt it's the coup of a lifetime. Contrast it this way - with all the development we've put into these two, we're essentially getting back 50% of the draft picks we used on them (both around the same 2nd round pick originally).

Also, if the deal faulters due to Carlton not wanting to budge on say 40 odd and 60 odd, then what does that say to the two players. "We REALLY want you guys, but geez, we don't think you're worth picks any higher than 40 and 60"?

[bulldogsman]

I can't see Carlton giving up pick 27, they need that pick for Jaksch. I think the best we can hope for is their 3rd rounder and the Waite compo pick which they think will also be a 3rd rounder (that's for both Tutt and Jones). Then take one of those 3rd rounders and trade in Membrey.

[1eyedog]

Doubt it's the coup of a lifetime. Contrast it this way - with all the development we've put into these two, we're essentially getting back 50% of the draft picks we used on them (both around the same 2nd round pick originally).

Also, if the deal faulters due to Carlton not wanting to budge on say 40 odd and 60 odd, then what does that say to the two players. "We REALLY want you guys, but geez, we don't think you're worth picks any higher than 40 and 60"?

I think you need to look at the way it is regardless of the development we have put into either player or where they were selected in the draft. Clearly they have not lived up to expectations and really are not in our senior team. Both have so many short falls in their game that their future use to us is very speculative. Pick 40 odd and pick 60 odd sound about right to me and while we have lost out on the return of both players if we were able to land pick 27 given what we know about them it would be a great result.

[LostDoggy]

Reading some of the crap on BF. A suggestion was made of McCrae for Melbournes pick 2 and 3 ( if thats what they moan about enough for Frawley compo). A reply was made :

Farktherest said: ↑
Of course youd do Macrae for picks 2 and 3....wtf youd be raping Melbourne. Macrae for pick 2 alone is a stretch


You have to laugh at the stupidity of some people.

[jeemak]

I'd definitely consider 2&3 for Macrae.

[bornadog]

Reading some of the crap on BF. A suggestion was made of McCrae for Melbournes pick 2 and 3 ( if thats what they moan about enough for Frawley compo). A reply was made :

Farktherest said: ↑
Of course youd do Macrae for picks 2 and 3....wtf youd be raping Melbourne. Macrae for pick 2 alone is a stretch


You have to laugh at the stupidity of some people.

Best not to read BF ;)

[bornadog]

Geelong and Melbourne have reportedly agreed to Pick 33 in exchange for Mitch Clark, Melbourne will then on trade Pick 33 to Collingwood for Heritier Lumumba.
- Jon Ralph

[Dancin' Douggy]

Lol, what?

Sorry M.R.M please forgive me this piece of sheer idiocy. It was a half formed idea before I 'sent it to print'.
Clearly this scenario will never work.

But there's 2 points here I'm pushing.

1. Carlton clearly don't have the draft picks appropriate for a trade with Jones, so we have to think laterally and get another club involved. Garlett kicked 43 goals 2 years ago and has blistering pace. He's surely worth something to someone, and could become part of a deal somehow. (maybe even WE take him, he's certainly an upgrade on Tutt?)

2. If Toumpas WAS available, how interested in him would we be?
And would we have taken him in the draft last year if he was available over Stringer or Macrae?

[bornadog]

Sorry M.R.M please forgive me this piece of sheer idiocy. It was a half formed idea before I 'sent it to print'.
Clearly this scenario will never work.

But there's 2 points here I'm pushing.

1. Carlton clearly don't have the draft picks appropriate for a trade with Jones, so we have to think laterally and get another club involved. Garlett kicked 43 goals 2 years ago and has blistering pace. He's surely worth something to someone, and could become part of a deal somehow. (maybe even WE take him, he's certainly an upgrade on Tutt?)

2. If Toumpas WAS available, how interested in him would we be?
And would we have taken him in the draft last year if he was available over Stringer or Macrae?

Don't like this rumour:


Out of contract Blue, Kane Lucas is on the trade table as the Blues prepare for a big trade period.

Trade Radio understands that Lucas may form part of a trade to the Western Bulldogs as part of the Blues securing Bulldogs pair Liam Jones and Jason Tutt.

[kruder]

Don't like this rumour:

Agree! Not another player who is a bad kick and bad decision maker!

[LostDoggy]

I would vomit if we picked up Kane Lucas. He's a woeful player with average kicking skill and lack of tenancity in his game. He just wouldn't fit with our philosophy of draftees and coaching mentality.

[LostDoggy]

I have faith in the clubs trading/drafting policy, and I don't think they would even consider Kane Lucas. Not what we need.

[Ghost Dog]

Geelong and Melbourne have reportedly agreed to Pick 33 in exchange for Mitch Clark, Melbourne will then on trade Pick 33 to Collingwood for Heritier Lumumba.
- Jon Ralph

Melbourne - risky choice. Pick 33 for Lumumba is really not that smart.

[Greystache]

Why would we possibly want Lucas? We may as well have kept Howard, neither can kick, neither is quick, neither are competitive, and both would play primarily VFL. Makes no sense.

[G-Mo77]

Wow imagine convincing Carlton to give out pick 27 essentially for Jones - coup of a lifetime!

As Chef said can't see it happening.

But why should we just jump at it because that's all they have. They're desperate to get more pieces to land Jaksch so why help them out. I'm tired of other clubs using us as their doormat it's a bout time we showed some teeth in the trade period. A pick in the 40'2 is not a good return for Jones, pick 27 is too high. Tell them to get something in the middle or tough titties.

I'll be seething if we jump at the first offer....again!

[bornadog]

Melbourne asking for Dahl as part of pick upgrade, but told no way.

[chef]

But why should we just jump at it because that's all they have. They're desperate to get more pieces to land Jaksch so why help them out. I'm tired of other clubs using us as their doormat it's a bout time we showed some teeth in the trade period. A pick in the 40'2 is not a good return for Jones, pick 27 is too high. Tell them to get something in the middle or tough titties.

I'll be seething if we jump at the first offer....again!

I guess if they are the only team interested or are happy to put a price on his head that makes them that way he could end up walking for nothing in the PSD. I'm happy for us to be a bit negotiable as one of the problems with trade week is teams being bullish and difficult to deal.

Just out of curiosity when have he just jumped at the first offer or been bent over lately?

[G-Mo77]

Just out of curiosity when have he just jumped at the first offer or been bent over lately?

I'll re-open that old can of worms again. Brian Lake to the Hawks. We got scared into thinking this was all we were going to get. We had Lake contracted for another year and Hawthorn were desperate for a big down back. Why we just caved in like that is beyond me. No matter how anyone paints this post or pre trade IMO this was just a piss weak trade from a club with no back bone. My scars haven't healed. :)

[Mofra]

Just out of curiosity when have he just jumped at the first offer or been bent over lately?
We held our nerve over Crameri for the whole trade period