The Rumour Mill

[GVGjr]

Tom Boyd wants to come to us!!!

He is out of contract at the end of next year as well :)

[Rocket Science]

Digressing slightly, if we land Boyd does that alter our approach with Liam Jones, or his towards us?

If he wants to be the second banana, here's an opportunity.

[GVGjr]

Digressing slightly, if we land Boyd does that alter our approach with Liam Jones, or his towards us?

If he wants to be the second banana, here's an opportunity.

Good point, I've said the other day we should consider keeping him. Apparently he isn't so keen to leave now

[G-Mo77]

I think Jones will stay. No inside gos just a hunch.

[Ozza]

We've obviously offered a stack of $$$ to Boyd - and so we should.

Hope we can get this done.

[KT31]

Good point, I've said the other day we should consider keeping him. Apparently he isn't so keen to leave now

I have heard the same, not from anyone connected just someone who said they new one of his rello's.

[bornadog]

Good point, I've said the other day we should consider keeping him. Apparently he isn't so keen to leave now

I for one would prefer he stayed.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I for one would prefer he stayed.

With Tom Boyd and Stringer down there with Jones' marking, every forward move would be exciting.

[LostDoggy]

Have a feeling the young guys may have known something about Boyd, given some of the positive tweets etc in the last day or so

[bornadog]

With Tom Boyd and Stringer down there with Jones' marking, every forward move would be exciting.

Don't forget Crameri would be licking his lips

[wimberga]

Have a feeling the young guys may have known something about Boyd, given some of the positive tweets etc in the last day or so

Can you elaborate or link Hobdog?

[bornadog]

Can you elaborate or link Hobdog?

read Honeychurch knows him

[LostDoggy]

read Honeychurch knows him

Whats his handle

[bornadog]

Whats his handle

someone else mentioned it, so not sure

[Rocket Science]

read Honeychurch knows him

Honeychurch and Boyd were TAC-level teammates at Eastern Ranges.

[bornadog]

Honeychurch and Boyd were TAC-level teammates at Eastern Ranges.

Cheers, thought there was some connection.

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[bornadog]

North Melbourne is understood to be interested in Adam Cooney but it would not be willing to hand over much more than a fourth-round draft pick to get the 29-year-old veteran according to the AFL website

[GVGjr]

North Melbourne is understood to be interested in Adam Cooney but it would not be willing to hand over much more than a fourth-round draft pick to get the 29-year-old veteran according to the AFL website

A 4th rounder gives us nothing at the moment. Maybe something like our pick 45 and Cooney for their pick 36.
An upgrade might just give us something we can use on someone else.

[Scorlibo]

A 4th rounder gives us nothing at the moment. Maybe something like our pick 45 and Cooney for their pick 36.
An upgrade might just give us something we can use on someone else.

That's getting closer to what we'd be after, but preferably we make an exchange of higher picks.

4th round picks have zero currency.

[EasternWest]

Trade Radio is saying a Cooney for Schoenmakers trade isn't out of the question

Done.

I've always thought Schoenmakers is ok, he just gto exposed a lot when he was young. Big bodied and still young.

I've been ok with Cooney leaving for ages. I'd be even more ok if it was to the hawks. If he could find some success in his twilight years I'd be happy for him.

[bornadog]

Done.

I've always thought Schoenmakers is ok, he just gto exposed a lot when he was young. Big bodied and still young.

I've been ok with Cooney leaving for ages. I'd be even more ok if it was to the hawks. If he could find some success in his twilight years I'd be happy for him.

Shoenmakers was shocked the Hawks were shopping him around after he told them he wanted to stay. I would take him as well, still young enough to improve.

[SquirrelGrip]

Done.

I've been ok with Cooney leaving for ages. I'd be even more ok if it was to the hawks. If he could find some success in his twilight years I'd be happy for him.

I agree. It would be a good result for Cooney and a good fit for the Hawks. Not sure Brad Sewell would see the bright side ...

[EasternWest]

I agree. It would be a good result for Cooney and a good fit for the Hawks. Not sure Brad Sewell would see the bright side ...

That's a good point. Although I guess Cooney at pace offers them more than Sewell, but still a good point.

I hope a guy like Sewell can get a golden handshake year at GWS.

[bornadog]

Hawthorn's Luke Lowden has had a medical at Essendon according to SEN.

[always right]

With their history, the last people I'd want giving me a medical is Essendon.

[westdog54]

With their history, the last people I'd want giving me a medical is Essendon.

Zing!

They'll need someone to play while half their squad is suspended next year.

[GVGjr]

The bloody phone went and I missed SEN linking us to a lower end trade. Did anyone get the name?

[bornadog]

The bloody phone went and I missed SEN linking us to a lower end trade. Did anyone get the name?

Matt Dea

[BulldogBelle]

Matt Dea

From Richmond web site.

The attacking defender played three AFL games in his fourth season, down on his 14 in 2012, but he showed significant improvement as a ball-winner in the back half, averaging more
than 24 possessions at VFL level. Consistently beat his opponent and offered rebound, but his progress was interrupted by minor calf and shoulder injuries.

Draft history: 2009 AFL Draft 3rd round selection (Richmond) No. 44 overall.

[GVGjr]

Matt Dea

I would have thought we shouldn't be looking at him. We already have the likes of Wood that plays that role far better.

[bornadog]

I would have thought we shouldn't be looking at him. We already have the likes of Wood that plays that role far better.

Agreed, not interested.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Agreed, not interested.

Unless Wood is going somewhere?

[bornadog]

Unless Wood is going somewhere?

nah, they are still looking for that elusive HBF that can kick like Gilbee :D

[Mofra]

Unless Wood is going somewhere?
Wood just signed a 1 year contract - unless he now wants out because B-Mac is gone (not all players wanted him out).

I assume we want anohter rebounder - Darley I like but isn't there yet, and Murphy wont go forever

[GVGjr]

Cooney more likely to go to the Bombers but they might need help with his salary. They have no 2nd round picks and enter the 3rd round at 53. Could we offer Cooney, part of his salary and pick 27 for their pick 20?

[bulldogtragic]

Cooney more likely to go to the Bombers but they might need help with his salary. They have no 2nd round picks and enter the 3rd round at 53. Could we offer Cooney, part of his salary and pick 27 for their pick 20?

I'd take that. Second pref to Schoenmakers if that's still a chance.

[Remi Moses]

Cooney more likely to go to the Bombers but they might need help with his salary. They have no 2nd round picks and enter the 3rd round at 53. Could we offer Cooney, part of his salary and pick 27 for their pick 20?

I'd do that . It looks like we'll be paying some of Cooney's salary for an upgrade in the draft

[Bulldog Revolution]

Gee I hate to see us pick up Shoenmakers - with our supporters we have to be cautious about recruiting read made whipping boys

[soupman]

Gee I hate to see us pick up Shoenmakers - with our supporters we have to be cautious about recruiting read made whipping boys

Agree. I mean he has a ponytail FFS

[bornadog]

Agree. I mean he has a ponytail FFS

I would pickup Shoenmakers for a third rounder, then hope he comes good so we can stick it up Hawks.

[LostDoggy]

Have it on good authority that Melbourne have managed to stuff up another early draft pick. Trengrove news should be announced shortly.

[bornadog]

Have it on good authority that Melbourne have managed to stuff up another early draft pick. Trengrove news should be announced shortly.

Yes, confirmed, has aggravated his foot, will be staying with Melbourne

[Twodogs]

Yes, confirmed, has aggravated his foot, will be staying with Melbourne


Navicular bone. Same as Tom Williams.

From what they said on SEN it occurred during the medical. How unlucky could you get? Injuring yourself doing a medical assessment.

[Mofra]

Gee I hate to see us pick up Shoenmakers - with our supporters we have to be cautious about recruiting read made whipping boys
He was bad this year - but he was coming off an ACL, and many say it's really a two year injury.

[GVGjr]

North have jumped in ahead of Essendon according to Sam Landsberger.

How about Pick 45, Cooney and part of his salary for Norths pick 36?

[LostDoggy]

North have jumped in ahead of Essendon according to Sam Landsberger.

How about Pick 45, Cooney and part of his salary for Norths pick 36?

I think that is reasonable. It meets the halfway that Essendon can't. In reality the meeting of the salary (50-60%) doesn't matter this year. If Adam agrees then cool.

[KT31]

North have jumped in ahead of Essendon according to Sam Landsberger.

How about Pick 45, Cooney and part of his salary for Norths pick 36?

Could live with this, his knee's must be holding up alright if he passed two clubs physicals.

[bornadog]

Latest


North Melbourne are leading the race for Adam Cooney according to Sam Landsberger despite reports last night saying Essendon were the favourites.

[bornadog]

Jonathan Giles nominates Essendon as his preferred new home over Adelaide.

[Jeanette54]

North have jumped in ahead of Essendon according to Sam Landsberger.

How about Pick 45, Cooney and part of his salary for Norths pick 36?

I am utterly defeated by the concept of a player walking out on an existing contract,moving to a new club (where presumably they get paid) and continuing to have part of their salary paid by the club they have left.

Nice work if you can get it.

Surely if someone walks out of their contract, then that should be where the first club's obligation ends.

[LostDoggy]

I am utterly defeated by the concept of a player walking out on an existing contract,moving to a new club (where presumably they get paid) and continuing to have part of their salary paid by the club they have left.

Nice work if you can get it.

Surely if someone walks out of their contract, then that should be where the first club's obligation ends.

It's a trade. He's not walking out on a contract. The contract passes to the new side with us paying part. Lake situation was similar.

[always right]

Still doesn't make sense if it's the player who wants to leave. They should do so knowing that their current contract is null and void.

Not disagreeing with you....just think it's crazy.

[Bulldog4life]

North have jumped in ahead of Essendon according to Sam Landsberger.

How about Pick 45, Cooney and part of his salary for Norths pick 36?

Sam should know he's a Doggie supporter and seems to have a number of good sources.

[wb_age]

When Lake was traded to the Hawks, he tore up the contract in place a signed a new contract with Hawks on less money.

[bornadog]

Geelong may lure St Kilda tall Rhys Stanley with draft pick No.21

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Geelong may lure St Kilda tall Rhys Stanley with draft pick No.21

Geelong must really want to win the 2015 Grand Final sprint.

[GVGjr]

Geelong may lure St Kilda tall Rhys Stanley with draft pick No.21

Stanley was taken in the same year we drafted Jones. That might set an expectation for the real value of Jones in the market place.

I'd prefer to keep Jones but another 2nd round pick would be a good compensation.

[GVGjr]

Carlton still interested in Jones and want to try and get him in the pre-season draft. Risky for Jones

[bulldogtragic]

Carlton still interested in Jones and want to try and get him in the pre-season draft. Risky for Jones

So Jones has walked out for good?

[Bulldog4life]

Carlton still interested in Jones and want to try and get him in the pre-season draft. Risky for Jones

Very risky...

[GVGjr]

So Jones has walked out for good?

I'm just reporting the rumor. I'm hoping he stays.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm just reporting the rumor. I'm hoping he stays.

Thanks G.

[kruder]

Harper for Cooney is the latest

[F'scary]

Geelong may lure St Kilda tall Rhys Stanley with draft pick No.21

Geelong has gone completely mad.

[comrade]

Geelong may lure St Kilda tall Rhys Stanley with draft pick No.21

If Rhys Stanley is worth pick 21, Liam Jones is a top 10.

Never seen a bloke leverage a GF Sprint win better than this bloke.

[Bulldog Revolution]

They're offering their third (take it or leave it) or saying he will go to them pre-season

[GVGjr]

Sydney youngster Shane Biggs is being touted as a player we are interested in. 187cm HBF.

[Bulldog Joe]

Sydney youngster Shane Biggs is being touted as a player we are interested in. 187cm HBF.

Wouldn't mind him. Did a great shut down job on #16 in round 22

[F'scary]

Wouldn't mind him. Did a great shut down job on #16 in round 22

Hire him! The deals worth it even if we play him just once or twice next year...that is, against GWS ;)

[stefoid]

How do you guys feel about passing on a 3rd rounder as a matter of principle on Jones?

Trouble is, we need a truckload of picks or we will be drafting the 60s or 70s.

[bulldogtragic]

How do you guys feel about passing on a 3rd rounder as a matter of principle on Jones?

Trouble is, we need a truckload of picks or we will be drafting the 60s or 70s.

Worth the risk for mine. Maybe we get more or maybe we keep him. Pick 48 is not a certain gun, statistically 48 probably won't make it anyway.

[bornadog]

How do you guys feel about passing on a 3rd rounder as a matter of principle on Jones?

Trouble is, we need a truckload of picks or we will be drafting the 60s or 70s.

I would rather he stays.

[Sedat]

Harper for Cooney is the latest
Don't mind this at all. Harper is similar to Greenwood 12 months ago, no trade value but plenty of upside if his body is good to go. Doesn't get enough of the ball but has some good tools to work with. Age profile ideal.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Getting both Harper and Biggs cheaply would be brilliant trading.

I rate both, and if you look on the opposition boards, their fans are very disappointed about possibly losing both of them.

[Doc26]

Latest report from The Age regarding Biggs and Liam Jones.


A trade sending Biggs to the Bulldogs and Liam Jones fell over on Tuesday, with the Bulldogs wanting more for Jones. Sydney would have received pick 46, with the Dogs taking Biggs and 58. The Bulldogs are now planning to take the Swans rookie as a delisted free agent, while the Blues are saying they can secure Jones in the pre-season draft.

[LostDoggy]

Do we have any idea of what Essendon are offering up for Cooney?

[Doc26]

Do we have any idea of what Essendon are offering up for Cooney?

Now on this site that's what one refers to as a Dorothy Dixer, in fact that's probably who they're offering up.

[GVGjr]

Jay Clarke has mentioned that we can't contact Griffen as he is away pig shooting. He thinks we will get pick 4 and a player more than picks 4 and 7 which we are asking for. He did mention Kristian Jaksch but more in passing
Cooney still undecided about North or Essendon. Harper deal probably works better for the Dogs and he thinks Essendon will offer pick 37 from the Port deal for Ryder if that gets done.

Jones and Tutt still to be sorted out. The Dogs want pick 28 from Carlton for Jones and also handing back pick 45 in the process but the Blues don't want to part with the pick. I'm not sure where that leaves Tutt.

On face value our chances of keeping Jones don't look good. Perhaps the speculation that he was interested in coming back was short lived.

Assuming we get pick 4 and something for Griffen, if Cooney went for pick 37, Jones and pick 45 for pick 28 we would have 4 x 2nd round picks 26, 27, 28 and 37. Surely we could package one or two of these picks along with pick 6 to move up to number one.

[Go_Dogs]

If we end up with pick 4, is there a big need to move up to pick 1?

[GVGjr]

If we end up with pick 4, is there a big need to move up to pick 1?

Maybe not, but knowing we also have pick 6 we could get the two players we are most interested in.

[Mofra]

Don't mind this at all. Harper is similar to Greenwood 12 months ago, no trade value but plenty of upside if his body is good to go. Doesn't get enough of the ball but has some good tools to work with. Age profile ideal.
Harper's problem is injury, not desire or talent.
I've seen him play very well at AFL level - stick him with the VU people and if they can do an Eastern Wood with him we'll be laughing.

Only issue is he played HF when he was flying - looks the type that could transition to attacking midfielder though.

[soupman]

Geez a few on the Sydney board at BF rate Biggs very highly. Could be a good recruit along with Harper who has an impressive highlights reel.

[Scorlibo]

Assuming we get pick 4 and something for Griffen, if Cooney went for pick 37, Jones and pick 45 for pick 28 we would have 4 x 2nd round picks 26, 27, 28 and 37. Surely we could package one or two of these picks along with pick 6 to move up to number one.

With the number of spots open on our list in that scenario (ie. presuming we don't receive Biggs and Harper), don't you think we would be better off hanging on to all of those juicy second round picks? If GWS give us picks 4 and 19, and everything plays out the way you've articulated above, we could have picks 4, 6, 19, 26, 27, 28 and 37. In a strong draft that's an incredibly strong hand. Chances are that Peter Wright will slide to pick 4 and we will need to pick up a talented key defender with pick 6 - Lever my preference. What it might come down to is how we rate McCartin/Petracca/Wright. Is it worth giving away a pick 19 to pick up McCartin instead of Wright? There's so much still yet to play out in the next couple of days.

[GVGjr]

With the number of spots open on our list in that scenario (ie. presuming we don't receive Biggs and Harper), don't you think we would be better off hanging on to all of those juicy second round picks? If GWS give us picks 4 and 19, and everything plays out the way you've articulated above, we could have picks 4, 6, 19, 26, 27, 28 and 37. In a strong draft that's an incredibly strong hand. Chances are that Peter Wright will slide to pick 4 and we will need to pick up a talented key defender with pick 6 - Lever my preference. What it might come down to is how we rate McCartin/Petracca/Wright. Is it worth giving away a pick 19 to pick up McCartin instead of Wright? There's so much still yet to play out in the next couple of days.

It would be a strong hand but pick 19 along with Jaksch and Wiley will be heading towards Carlton for pick 7. I can't see them parting with both 4 and 7 for Griffen. We might get another player rather than pick 7. As it stands I think they will offer pick 7 and something else.

[GVGjr]

One rumor on Trade Radio was that to try and arrange a Griffen trade with Melbourne for pick 3. We might have to thrown something back to them.
That way Melbourne get Petracca / Brayshaw and Griffen for their midfield and the Dogs position themselves for McCartin and Wright.

[bornadog]

GWS working with Carlton on Jaksch and Willey, so once that deal is done (apparently very soon), I expect they will talk to us about Griff/Boyd - just a guess

[GVGjr]

Trade radio saying and announcement with Carlton and GWS is imminent. Apparently Silvagni is in discussions with Carlton.
There is speculation that it may not be for pick 19 it might be for pick 28.

If that deal goes down I think things will become clearer with potential Jones and Griffen trades especially with the Beams deal about to land.

[bornadog]

Trade radio saying and announcement with Carlton and GWS is imminent. Apparently Silvagni is in discussions with Carlton.
There is speculation that it may not be for pick 19 it might be for pick 28.

If that deal goes down I think things will become clearer with potential Jones and Griffen trades especially with the Beams deal about to land.

A whole of deals will start to happen this afternoon.

[Scorlibo]

It's really important at this stage that we get interest from other clubs, preferably Melbourne, on Griffen. That would put all the pressure on GWS to offer us something that we can't refuse - either Boyd or picks 4 and 7. Picks 4 and 19 would see us breakeven in these discussions, but we want to have a win here.

[Jam Donuts]

Trade radio saying and announcement with Carlton and GWS is imminent. Apparently Silvagni is in discussions with Carlton.
There is speculation that it may not be for pick 19 it might be for pick 28.

If that deal goes down I think things will become clearer with potential Jones and Griffen trades especially with the Beams deal about to land.

Lets hope that Silvagni hops in his car and drives to WO and does the big deal!

[1eyedog]

Lets hope that Silvagni hops in his car and drives to WO and does the big deal!

I hope so. There are about 5000 non-member Bulldogs supporters with their fingers on the 2015 Membership buttons if this goes ahead.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Trade radio saying and announcement with Carlton and GWS is imminent. Apparently Silvagni is in discussions with Carlton.
There is speculation that it may not be for pick 19 it might be for pick 28.

If that deal goes down I think things will become clearer with potential Jones and Griffen trades especially with the Beams deal about to land.

But pick 28 is Carltons pick. Not GWS'......im not sure i follow

[Scorlibo]

But pick 28 is Carltons pick. Not GWS'......im not sure i follow

I think Carlton want to give GWS pick 28, GWS want an upgrade from 19 to 7. But I am quite confused myself.

[GVGjr]

Lets hope that Silvagni hops in his car and drives to WO and does the big deal!

It's all happening at Etihad I believe

[GVGjr]

With trading Stanley I'd say McCartin to the Saints has now been confirmed.

[Twodogs]

It's all happening at Etihad I believe

Correct. All the main players are at Etihad.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

With trading Stanley I'd say McCartin to the Saints has now been confirmed.

or they see themselves getting picks 4 and 7 after GWS trade Boyd to us and will take Wright. ;)

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

With trading Stanley I'd say McCartin to the Saints has now been confirmed.

So we either need to determine,quickly whether we can change GWS' mind on Boyd, or else switch tactics and get pick 4 and a player from them or pick 4 and and pick 7 (if they get it from Carlton) for Griffen.
Or else try and work a trade with Melbourne for Griffen (if he's amenable to it).
We need to land either Boyd, or one of McCartin and Wright. That much I think is certain.

[Sedat]

So we either need to determine,quickly whether we can change GWS' mind on Boyd, or else switch tactics and get pick 4 and a player from them or pick 4 and and pick 7 (if they get it from Carlton) for Griffen.
Or else try and work a trade with Melbourne for Griffen (if he's amenable to it).
We need to land either Boyd, or one of McCartin and Wright. That much I think is certain.
Melbourne would have to seriously consider Wright now. They have bolstered their midfield in the last couple of years, will be able to get Petracca at pick 2 and then load up on the next best tall at pick 3. Hogan has had serious injury concerns, Clark is gone, Frawley is gone, Gawn has injury issues, Jamar not getting any younger. Melbourne aren't as well stocked for talls as we all think.

[westdog54]

Melbourne would have to seriously consider Wright now. They have bolstered their midfield in the last couple of years, will be able to get Petracca at pick 2 and then load up on the next best tall at pick 3. Hogan has had serious injury concerns, Clark is gone, Frawley is gone, Gawn has injury issues, Jamar not getting any younger. Melbourne aren't as well stocked for talls as we all think.

Yep I'm inclined to agree. At this rate pick even pick 4 may not net us either of McCartin or Wright.

[GVGjr]

Yep I'm inclined to agree. At this rate pick even pick 4 may not net us either of McCartin or Wright.

Our approach has always been to take the best players available. If we were to land Brayshaw at pick 4 that would be a positive and a fair replacement for Griffen.

[westdog54]

Our approach has always been to take the best players available. If we were to land Brayshaw at pick 4 that would be a positive and a fair replacement for Griffen.

True.

Would still give me the irrits to miss out on Wright.

[KT31]

True.

Would still give me the irrits to miss out on Wright.

Not as much it will me if we miss out on Boyd.

[westdog54]

Not as much it will me if we miss out on Boyd.

I think its moreso missing out on both of them. To come out of it and still not have picked up a big forward would be shattering in the context of the week.

[stefoid]

Brashaw would not be a disaster - he can use the pill and has some leg speed apparently.

But imagine if Dees have a hard on for brashaw and so Petracca falls to us at 4. GWS wanted him so bad.

I am almost willing to give up on a key forward just for that to happen.

[Bulldog4life]

Brashaw would not be a disaster - he can use the pill and has some leg speed apparently.

Melbourne won't let Brayshaw slide.

[GVGjr]

Melbourne won't let Brayshaw slide.

If we have pick 4 for Griffen and the Saints take McCartin at 1 that leaves us either Petracca, Brayshaw or Wright still available at pick 4. All of them would be good gets. Getting Petracca for example would also strengthen the Boyd to the Dogs campaign.

It all hinges on getting pick 4 and something for Griffen

[KT31]

I think its moreso missing out on both of them. To come out of it and still not have picked up a big forward would be shattering in the context of the week.

Agree, I don't want to even contemplate the thought.

[Go_Dogs]

Going to be a busy few hours now, I suspect.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

It seems that there's a line up of deals to be done across the sixteen teams waiting to happen like a chain reaction. If they are not all done with urgency, because for example a team has only one deal to make and so does not need to be urgent yet holds up other deals, then that could mean the deadline happens before deals can be done. Considering that Boyd and Griffen are the two top players in trading and GWS are forestalling because they want to keep Boyd more than they want Griffen, we may need to prepare ourselves for the deals not getting done.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

so is trading done for the day?

[bornadog]

If we have pick 4 for Griffen and the Saints take McCartin at 1 that leaves us either Petracca, Brayshaw or Wright still available at pick 4. All of them would be good gets. Getting Petracca for example would also strengthen the Boyd to the Dogs campaign.

It all hinges on getting pick 4 and something for Griffen

Callum Twoomey has Wright at pick 6 in his phantom draft. Will be interesting what happens

[bornadog]

so is trading done for the day?

I thought they continue on till 5pm, but not sure.

[The Doctor]

The Jaksch deal is done, waiting for details

[LostDoggy]

5pm today, finishes 2.00pm tomorrow

[GVGjr]

The Jaksch deal is done, waiting for details


It's done, Jaksch and Whiley and pick 19 for pick 7

[Pedro Sanchez]

Anyone heard any update on the Cooney or Bigg deals?

[GVGjr]

Anyone heard any update on the Cooney or Bigg deals?

A deal for Cooney might be linked to the Ryder deal. 3 way chance to be at Essendon, North or us next year.
Biggs will be a late deal tomorrow or potentially we will pick him up later.

[Pedro Sanchez]

A deal for Cooney might be linked to the Ryder deal. 3 way chance to be at Essendon, North or us next year.
Biggs will be a late deal tomorrow or potentially we will pick him up later.

Cheers... As much as I like Cooney, it will be refreshing to watch the pre-season without discussing the status of his knee. A fit and firing list is a good list!

[GVGjr]

Speculation but could we make a late play for Jarryd Lyons?

[bornadog]

Speculation but could we make a late play for Jarryd Lyons?

Is he up for trade?

Adelaide were interested in Jones?

[GVGjr]

Is he up for trade?

Adelaide were interested in Jones?

I believe so. The Dees had some interest but are now looking at just completing a trade for Sam Frost

[Pedro Sanchez]

Speculation but could we make a late play for Jarryd Lyons?

Underwhelming.

[GVGjr]

Underwhelming.

I guess so but we probably do need to bring in a decent mid given what we are likely to lose.

[Pedro Sanchez]

I guess so but we probably do need to bring in a decent mid given what we are likely to lose.

A bloke who has played 12 games in four seasons considered a decent mid?

[GVGjr]

A bloke who has played 12 games in four seasons considered a decent mid?

Got it, you don't rate him. Loud and clear
Played 10 games this year though

[chef]

T&T who's seen a lot of him rates him highly.

Could be a bargain pick up.

[Pedro Sanchez]

Got it, you don't rate him. Loud and clear
Played 10 games this year though

Its just a ‘meh’ signing if true, I don’t wish him any untoward, just not close to filling the Griff gap.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Underwhelming.

Our trading strategy can't be about standing still until we get traction with GWS. We have other needs that need to be considered and given the clock is ticking I am glad our recruiting team is looking at a holistic picture, rather than only concentrating on Griffen and GWS. No doubt they have a plan in place for how to respond when the moment GWS make an official offer for Griffen arrives, and in the meantime will look to make other not quite so headline-grabbing deals.

[Greystache]

Speculation but could we make a late play for Jarryd Lyons?

I hope not. He's a small inside mid who's not damaging with the ball. Not much of an upgrade on Alex Greenwood.

[GVGjr]

A lot of tweets that the Boyd and Griffen deal isn't out of the question. I still rate it as a long shot but there is some hope.

Jason McCartney will have to stare them down..

[Twodogs]

A lot of tweets that the Boyd and Griffen deal isn't out of the question. I still rate it as a long shot but there is some hope.

Jason McCartney will have to stare them down..


Terry Wallace just said on trade radio "that people close to the trade" still expect it to happen.

[LostDoggy]

St Kilda would be ludicrous not to do Pick 1 for P4, 6 & maybe 7 now. They could have 5 or 6 picks in the top 22.

What do GWS want another bunch of kids for when they can have Petracca @ 1?

[G-Mo77]

So amongst the huge news any word on Tutt, Jones and Cooney? I can imagine we'd be pretty keen to move Cooney off the books for next year.

[GVGjr]

So amongst the huge news any word on Tutt, Jones and Cooney? I can imagine we'd be pretty keen to move Cooney off the books for next year.

Carlton are still very interested in Jones and Tutt. Essendon are probably gumming up the works as normal with Cooney.

[G-Mo77]

Carlton are still very interested in Jones and Tutt. Essendon are probably gumming up the works as normal with Cooney.

Ahh the Bombres again. Great! So 1:58 tomorrow then?

[GVGjr]

Ahh the Bombres again. Great! So 1:58 tomorrow then?

We still have the Kangas who are interested.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Carlton are still very interested in Jones and Tutt. Essendon are probably gumming up the works as normal with Cooney.

Another good thing with this Boyd news is showing those Bomber F@$#*wits how to do a trade.
Their reputation just gets worse every year.

[GVGjr]

A bit of speculation that Liam Jones has cancelled his twitter account. Looks like he has checked out on staying with us

[bornadog]

A bit of speculation that Liam Jones has cancelled his twitter account. Looks like he has checked out on staying with us

I think he is getting alot of tweets over his decision.

[azabob]

A bit of speculation that Liam Jones has cancelled his twitter account. Looks like he has checked out on staying with us


I think he is getting alot of tweets over his decision.

Shame if thats the case.

[Topdog]

Heard on SEN on my way home at about 7:45 that Talia might be going to Adelaide.

[azabob]

Heard on SEN on my way home at about 7:45 that Talia might be going to Adelaide.

I heard that yesterday. Especially now Shoemakers is staying at Hawks.

His bro was meant to come to us.

[comrade]

Heard on SEN on my way home at about 7:45 that Talia might be going to Adelaide.

That would be very disappointing.

He will get major game time next year if he sticks around.

Hopefully the Boyd signing pulls any fence sitters into line.

[Twodogs]

I heard that yesterday. Especially now Shoemakers is staying at Hawks.

His bro was meant to come to us.

Go on.

[azabob]

Go on.

Sorry, nothing but pure speculation on my part.

[Dry Rot]

Have we got of rid of Jones yet?

[whythelongface]

Have we got of rid of Jones yet?

Nope. He has changed his mind just to piss you off:D

[Dry Rot]

Nope. He has changed his mind just to piss you off:D

Hope he likes playing VFL.

[whythelongface]

Hope he likes playing VFL.

Doesn't appear to be any room for him in our forward line structure, although if he was to significantly increase his fitness there is a position at CHF that needs filling. I just can't see him having the fitness to be able to undertake such a role.

[1eyedog]

Have we got of rid of Jones yet?

It just so happens that his position is now filled and he is too lazy and un-fit to play a full game at CHF.

[Dry Rot]

It just so happens that his position is now filled and he is too lazy and un-fit to play a full game at CHF.

Isn't Boyd more of a giant FF like Tippett?

[Bulldog4life]

Isn't Boyd more of a giant FF like Tippett?

200cm

[KT31]

200cm

and only 19 so possibly another cm or so to go.

[1eyedog]

Isn't Boyd more of a giant FF like Tippett?

Yep true FF so squeezes Jones out higher up the ground which he does not have the tank to do for more than a quarter.

[bornadog]

GWS still working on trades tomorrow? I think Melbourne were after Sam Frost

[Dry Rot]

and only 19 so possibly another cm or so to go.

Could we have got this horribly wrong?

If Boyd keeps on growing, he won't clear the roof at Docklands, and therefore can only play for us in away games.

We have really ****ed up this trade.

[boydogs]

200cm

201

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-14/boyd-will-quit-giants

[LostDoggy]

201

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-14/boyd-will-quit-giants
Looks 298 to me. And is that a grizzly caught under his boot studs?

[bornadog]

Looks 298 to me. And is that a grizzly caught under his boot studs?

I thought he was 400 :D he is growing in stature by the minute :D

[GVGjr]

Trade Radio is still speculating that we need to make an offer for Schoenmakers despite him wanting to stay at the Hawks.

[LostDoggy]

If you want a good shot of the size of TomaDog compared to his contemporaries, see below.

Even Bonts looks like he's malnourished.


http://i58.tinypic.com/s2guio.jpg

[1eyedog]

Looks 298 to me. And is that a grizzly caught under his boot studs?

There's a cool picture of the new 2013 GWS recruits on the beach and Cam McCarthy who at 194cm looks like a skinny midfielder standing next to Boyd. I won't sully these pages by uploading that ghastly jumper here.

As above so what is Bonts? 6'4?

[GVGjr]

I'm looking at Kelly and thinking we should target him for next season :)

[bornadog]

If you want a good shot of the size of TomaDog compared to his contemporaries, see below.

Even Bonts looks like he's malnourished.


http://i58.tinypic.com/s2guio.jpg

Is this the first time we have had a genuine monster? I know Cordy is tall, but Boyd is solid as well.

In Grand Final, I looked at Tippet and he made Lake look like a midfielder, Boyd will do the same to most fullbacks.

[soupman]

Is this the first time we have had a genuine monster? I know Cordy is tall, but Boyd is solid as well.

I'm not sure you need to justify how Cordy isn't a monster. Nobody is going to put him up as an example of Bulldog monsters pre-Boyd.

[1eyedog]

Trade Radio is still speculating that we need to make an offer for Schoenmakers despite him wanting to stay at the Hawks.

I have no problem with this and agree. He's been ok in patches and knows what he is doing but does make some mistakes. He's young and big and hopefully over his ACL so he's worth a try. He would definitely get game time with us so I'm not sure why he is holding on with both hands at the Hawks. Self belief is great but it could very likely be at the detriment of his career. If Frawley goes ok, which he probably will, Schoenmakers will ply his trade all year at Box Hill which is not a good result for him.

[bornadog]

I have no problem with this and agree. He's been ok in patches and knows what he is doing but does make some mistakes. He's young and big and hopefully over his ACL so he's worth a try. He would definitely get game time with us so I'm not sure why he is holding on with both hands at the Hawks. Self belief is great but it could very likely be at the detriment of his career. If Frawley goes ok, which he probably will, Schoenmakers will ply his trade all year at Box Hill which is not a good result for him.

I think he would be good for us in the backline and an upgrade on Austin.

[1eyedog]

Is this the first time we have had a genuine monster? I know Cordy is tall, but Boyd is solid as well.

In Grand Final, I looked at Tippet and he made Lake look like a midfielder, Boyd will do the same to most fullbacks.

He's quick too. It's ok to be 201 cm and slow because most teams can throw a 195+ cm defender on you and compete reasonably well. Boyd moves like a 192 cm guy. I saw him kick 6 goals in under 3 quarters of football at VISY Park. He's a hard match up because if you're too small he'll outmark you and if you too cumbersome he'll lead all over the park. He was the difference for Metro that day. Genuine forward with all the attributes. It is going to be a very exciting next 3-4 years for us.

[azabob]

I'm looking at Kelly and thinking we should target him for next season :)

No G. In all seriousness a thread should be started about your man Adam Thomlinson.

He is mates with Boyd and Sam Darly.

[1eyedog]

I think he would be good for us in the backline and an upgrade on Austin.

I agree he'd be given every opportunity next year. If the price is right let's get him.

[bornadog]

Carlton are offering Pick 46 for Liam Jones according to Peter Ryan from the AFL Website.

[1eyedog]

Carlton are offering Pick 46 for Liam Jones according to Peter Ryan from the AFL Website.

That's unders what else do they have?

[GVGjr]

Carlton are offering Pick 46 for Liam Jones according to Peter Ryan from the AFL Website.

That's what I speculated on. It's not a great deal and very much a take it or leave approach by the Blues.
They would then pick up Tutt in the PSD

We might have to fold to this but lets not discount Jason McCartney

[Bulldog Revolution]

Its been a take it or leave it strategy from Carlton to this deal

[Axe Man]

If Rhys Stanley is worth pick 21 (I don't think he is BTW) then Jones is worth more than 46.

Jones, Tutt and 45 for pick 28 thanks, take it or leave it.

[1eyedog]

If Rhys Stanley is worth pick 21 (I don't think he is BTW) then Jones is worth more than 46.

Jones, Tutt and 45 for pick 28 thanks, take it or leave it.

Yeah it's unders. The club would be better served having him play out the year at FF in the seconds.

[Dancin' Douggy]

If you want a good shot of the size of TomaDog compared to his contemporaries, see below.

Even Bonts looks like he's malnourished.


http://i58.tinypic.com/s2guio.jpg

Wow. That looks photoshopped!
I reckon most of the millions we pay him will go straight on his grocery bill.
He needs a COBTBA (cost of being Tom Boyd allowance)

[bornadog]

Yeah it's unders. The club would be better served having him play out the year at FF in the seconds.

Western Bulldogs list manager Jason McCartney says "there's a bit of water to go under the bridge" with respect to Adam Cooney, and that the 2008 Brownlow medalist could yet remain at the club.
He also added the the club is interested in Sydney's Shane Biggs, but whether a trade occurs is uncertain.

[LostDoggy]

If Rhys Stanley is worth pick 21 (I don't think he is BTW) then Jones is worth more than 46.

Jones, Tutt and 45 for pick 28 thanks, take it or leave it.

More than fair. They don't even need P45 to be handed over.

[bornadog]

Greater Western Sydney is understood to be circling rival clubs on Trade Period deadline day. The Giants are keen to poach an established star before the 2pm deadline with picks No.4, 6 and 7 up their sleeve.

[GVGjr]

Sydney have confirmed that Biggs to the Dogs is dependent on other deal being done.

[Axe Man]

Sydney have confirmed that Biggs to the Dogs is dependent on other deal being done.

He's a third year rookie and the Swans don't have room for him on their primary list so we can always pick him up as a delisted free agent if a deal cant be struck.

[GVGjr]

He's a third year rookie and the Swans don't have room for him on their primary list so we can always pick him up as a delisted free agent if a deal cant be struck.

Yes, they are talking about a deal being struck today otherwise PSD awaits

[Axe Man]

Yes, they are talking about a deal being struck today otherwise PSD awaits

I believe he can actually be signed as a delisted free agent once he is off Sydney's list without having to go to the pre-season draft, like we did with Nick Lower.

[GVGjr]

I believe he can actually be signed as a delisted free agent once he is off Sydney's list without having to go to the pre-season draft, like we did with Nick Lower.

That sounds good

[Sedat]

The Age reporting that a 3-way deal between Essendon, Dogs and Port is close - pick 17 and Cooney to Essendon, Port getting Ryder and the Dogs pocketing Port's pick 37

[GVGjr]

Yep, it looks like the deal is done. Good luck to Adam

[GVGjr]

The Tigers appear to be ready to swoop on Harper now that North can't get Cooney

[LostDoggy]

Yep, it looks like the deal is done. Good luck to Adam

Cooney and Griffen both gone. Who would have thought.

Hope Port remember this favour for next year!

[Ozza]

Cooney for pick 37 seems pretty poor to me.
Rhys Stanley was worth pick 21 yesterday....Shaun Hampson in the late teens or early 20s last year...

I'm not very fond of the way Cooney plays his footy anymore, but it doesn't feel great handing him over for the proverbial 'bag of peanuts' (thanks Adrian Dodoro!).

[Mofra]

Is this the first time we have had a genuine monster? I know Cordy is tall, but Boyd is solid as well.

In Grand Final, I looked at Tippet and he made Lake look like a midfielder, Boyd will do the same to most fullbacks.
Scary, one of Boyd's highlights is him turning Harry Taylor inside out with *gulp* agility.

He'll be a monster in a couple of years' time when he has added core strength to his physique (deep core strength takes years)

[Sedat]

Cooney for pick 37 seems pretty poor to me.
Rhys Stanley was worth pick 21 yesterday....Shaun Hampson in the late teens or early 20s last year...

I'm not very fond of the way Cooney plays his footy anymore, but it doesn't feel great handing him over for the proverbial 'bag of peanuts' (thanks Adrian Dodoro!).
Given Cooney's chronic knee problems and his age, I think we actually got overs for Coons. Really happy with this trade from a future list management perspective.

[Ozza]

Given Cooney's chronic knee problems and his age, I think we actually got overs for Coons. Really happy with this trade from a future list management perspective.

Yeah - I can understand that side of it too. Bit of that 'end of an era' feel to it.

I just hope Cooney's departure is relatively amicable.

Hard to stomach him going to Essendon.

[always right]

Sad day

[hujsh]

Yeah - I can understand that side of it too. Bit of that 'end of an era' feel to it.

I just hope Cooney's departure is relatively amicable.

Hard to stomach him going to Essendon.

Remember thinking our next premiership would be built on Cooney, Ray, Griffin and later Higgins. Got me really interested in footy for the first real time.

Sad to see it end

[LostDoggy]

A sad day, sad to see you go Cooney!
Would Jones and 37 be OK for 28 from Carlton?

[LostDoggy]

Griffen, Cooney, Ward & Higgins - Thought at the time this would be a dominate midfield for many many years.

All the best Coons. Won me some nice money back in 2008 with my brownlow bet on him after i saw him dominate an intraclub match.

[chef]

Some talk of a Grimley, Jones and Robinson 3 way.

[Sedat]

Some talk of a Grimley, Jones and Robinson 3 way.
Grimley will be delisted by Hawthorn - god I hope not. We may as well give Jones away in the PSD.

Stand firm JMac

[1eyedog]

Not a good result for us

[GVGjr]

Some talk of a Grimley, Jones and Robinson 3 way. Interesting. Grimley could be taken in the PSD

[Doc26]

Interesting. Grimley could be taken in the PSD

Unless we are looking at someone else in the PSD like Biggs.

[chef]

Unless we are looking at someone else in the PSD like Biggs.

Biggs can be signed up as a delisted FA, no need for the PSD.

[Axe Man]

Spoke to a Hawks supporter who has a bit of insight into their list (his parents in-law house young players). Apparently Grimely has a pretty poor attitude, struts around like he's Buddy Franklin, cracks it when the ball isn't kicked to him.

[EasternWest]

If you want a good shot of the size of TomaDog compared to his contemporaries, see below.

Even Bonts looks like he's malnourished.


http://i58.tinypic.com/s2guio.jpg

What a beast. Our Tom.


Trade Radio is still speculating that we need to make an offer for Schoenmakers despite him wanting to stay at the Hawks.

I would like to get him. He's big, quick and young and I think he's got a lot to work with.

[Remi Moses]

Good deal for both parties ( even though it's Essendon)
He's 29 and a dodgy knee, so I don't get the comparison with Stanley.
Obviously Geelong think there's a bit to work with in Stanley, and I think that's a deal favouring Stkilda.
Going to have a very young list next season

[BornInDroopSt'54]

What a beast. Our Tom.



I would like to get him. He's big, quick and young and I think he's got a lot to work with.
I haven't met him but he and Lowden are friends with my daughter who's only 5'4''! I told her to tell him to come to the Dogs after seeing him win the VFL goalkicking. That was PTB (pre Tom Boyd).

[boydogs]

As above so what is Bonts? 6'4?

6'5"

[Twodogs]

Is that Scharnburg who's head is exploding?

[boydogs]

Would Jones and 37 be OK for 28 from Carlton?

It would been 39 (after the Biggs trade) up to 28 as opposed to 82 up to 46. We've got 5 picks in the top 50 now ala 2012

[1eyedog]

6'5"

Nah 192 on the website so a mm under 6'4

[Remi Moses]

Seems to get lost in the Recruitment of Big Tom .
Pretty good draft position all things considering.

[Greystache]

Nah 192 on the website so a mm under 6'4

He was 194cm at the draft camp, so at a minimum he's at least that. The club website is almost always wrong. 195cm (6'5) is probably right.

[Go_Dogs]

He was 194cm at the draft camp, so at a minimum he's at least that. The club website is almost always wrong. 195cm (6'5) is probably right.

Weren't the draft combine measurements wrong last year? I thought he was more likely 192/193cm.

[F'scary]

Seems to get lost in the Recruitment of Big Tom .
Pretty good draft position all things considering.

It is sort of like we traded up and effectively had pick 1 already with the Tom Boyd recruitment. We have scored another recruit, Zaine Cordy, with pick 64 via F/S. I have seen 3 ratings which have Cordy at 24th, 37th and 39th best prospect in the draft, so its sort of like we got another early second round to early 3rd round pick for a mid 4th round pick.

We now have 2 mid 2nd round picks (26, 27), three early-to-mid 3rd round picks (39, 45, 46) and one mid 4th round (82) which perhaps could be ditched in favour of DFA recruit. (I don't buy the way the AFL keeps extending the first and 2nd rounds, to me round 1 is strictly picks 1-18, round 2 is 19-36, round 3 is 37-54, and so on).

So, yeah I agree with Remi.

Of the players we have lost, only Griffen bothers me but I am happy with compensation.

[1eyedog]

He was 194cm at the draft camp, so at a minimum he's at least that. The club website is almost always wrong. 195cm (6'5) is probably right.

He's listed as 192 everywhere but maybe they're just taking that from the club website. Either way he is a tall mid. I wonder if we'll play him in a key position more when he develops. Kade Kolodjashnij is apparently 190 and Bonts looks 3-4 cm taller than him.

[Before I Die]

Scharenberg is listed at 191cm and Bonts at 194cm on footywire

[F'scary]

He's listed as 192 everywhere but maybe they're just taking that from the club website. Either way he is a tall mid. I wonder if we'll play him in a key position more when he develops. Kade Kolodjashnij is apparently 190 and Bonts looks 3-4 cm taller than him.

Agree, he could be a KPF if he fills out a bit more, which he probably will. He has shown in his first year that he is a better-than-good overhead mark.

[GVGjr]

At last years combine Bonts measured in at 193.9cm.

[Webby]

Had the club stuck with McCartney and then traded out Griffen, Cooney, Jones and Tutt for picks plus Boyd, as well as stashing Z Cordy away in order to get him F/S at pick 64 or whatever is was, I'd say our administration had pretty much scored a 9 out of 10 this post-season!

However, as things have turned out, I think we bottled it, but it all might be a bit of a blessing in disguise. Particularly if we land a coach who can continue on the development path, grow in the role himself, but put a bit more tactical nous into our kids. Particularly defensively as young defenders come in and Morris and Murphy come out...

... For this reason, I tend to think Leigh Tudor is the right man for us. I've pondered it for a while and I just think he is the guy. Didn't rate him at all as a player, but then again, Malthouse, Jeans, Clarkson and Hafey were average footballers, too.. For some reason, Buckley and Hird types seem to get coaching jobs whereas guys who were average players but great tacticians and communicators don't! For mine, I think there's some value in going with a low profile former player who's clearly an exceptional coaching talent.

Tudor's from outside the club (which I think is important with recent events in mind), carries no baggage, has coached under Bomber Thompson, Ross Lyon and John Longmire, has had success, is a good communicator and, let's face it, has walked the walk with two premierships and six grand finals. Norf have also shown a lot more defensive backbone since his arrival. I just hope he's up for it and has applied! If so, I really feel that he's our man. I hope we get it done.

[Hotdog60]

I'm a bit on the fence but the more I hear about Tudor the more I like.
If we go an untried coach Maple should also get a look.

[Remi Moses]

The only issue with the club not getting in first it would have been a bidding war .
Let's face it Carlton would have been in with all guns blazing , and not alone .
We got in early, and yes we overpaid but high reward is a strong possibility

[boydogs]

Nah 192 on the website so a mm under 6'4

Be interested to see the update for 2015, he's 194cm on Footywire

[1eyedog]

Be interested to see the update for 2015, he's 194cm on Footywire

He's probably grown a cm or two since drafted as well.

[bornadog]

Be interested to see the update for 2015, he's 194cm on Footywire

Footywire has been known to be wrong as has the club website.

[bulldogtragic]

Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today.

[bulldogtragic]

Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today.


Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today