2014 Game Day Round 19 - Hawthorn V Western Bulldogs

[Eastdog]

Dogs by 2 points
First Goal: Bonts
Best On Ground: Libba

[bornadog]

Hawks by 15pts
First Goal Crameri
Best: Libba

[boydogs]

Dogs by 17
First Goal Crameri
BOG Griffen

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Dogs in a wet one by 1 point

1st Goal to griff
BOG LIbba

[Twodogs]

Hawks by 4 points.
First goal Crameri
BOG Bontempelli.

[Remi Moses]

Dogs in upset 25 pts
BOG Bontempelli
1st goal Crameri

[The Underdog]

Looks like the weather will be ok, so

Hawks by 32 points
BOG: Liberatore
First Goal: Hunter

[DOG GOD]

Absolute beauty of a day here, bit cool but no sign of rain and bright sunny skies :)

So, hawks by 46
1st goal - dalh
B.o.g- murphy.

[bornadog]

Absolute beauty of a day here, bit cool but no sign of rain and bright sunny skies :)

So, hawks by 46
1st goal - dalh
B.o.g- murphy.

I presume you will be going to the match? Hope you have a great day and the boys are very competitive.

[ratsmac]

Hawks by 28
First goal - Hunter
BOG - Bontempelli to tighten his grip on the nab rising star award.

[F'scary]

Western will go into the game full of momentum with the players built up over the week to "take a scalp."
The Hees will be psychologically unprepared for the match as they have assumed this one is in the bag and are concentrating on preparing for their flag tilt in September.

Dogs by 24 points
First goal: Stringer!!!!!!!!!!!
BOG: Macrazy

[1eyedog]

Lots of optimism above good to see. Hawks by 8 goals
Griffen BOG for us
Stringer first goal

[Hotdog60]

Has it been confirmed that Stringer is there. It was posted earlier that he was in Vic on baby watch.

[Go_Dogs]

Hawks by 27
BOG Liberatore
First Goal Hunter

Really hoping we can put in a solid performance. Have been a couple of games which have been upsets (WCE) or a lot closer than expected, would be great if we can add to that today.

[The Underdog]

Has it been confirmed that Stringer is there. It was posted earlier that he was in Vic on baby watch.

Saw a tweet yesterday that said he trained in Launceston so to looks like he flew down. Haven't heard anything since then.

[wimberga]

Just a twitter picture of Strings out on the ground so suspect he is playing

[F'scary]

Just heard that Mitchell and Smith are out for the Hees...

[wimberga]

Hawthorn v Western Bulldogs at Aurora Stadium, 3.20pm

LATE CHANGES
Hawthorn: Sam Mitchell (illness) replaced in selected side by Will Langford; Isaac Smith (soreness) replaced in selected side by Taylor Duryea
Western Bulldogs: Nil

FINAL INTERCHANGES
Hawthorn: Bradley Hill, Taylor Duryea, Will Langford
Substitute: Jonathon Simpkin
Western Bulldogs: Adam Cooney, Lachie Hunter, Jason Johannisen
Substitute: Koby Stevens

[LostDoggy]

Dogs by 12
First goal - bonts
Bog - wilbur

[F'scary]

Kobe as substitute. I would prefer Cooney as the sub on recent form. Hope Cooney isn't played anywhere near the backline.

[comrade]

Don't like Stevens as the sub, at all.

Just think he lacks the nous and composure to come into a hot game and have an impact.

(Though he can't do worse than Cooney's last effort)

[comrade]

Really hope Shaun Higgins has a blinder today.

[The Underdog]

Really hope Shaun Higgins has a blinder today.

I guess where there's life, there's hope. Interesting to see how he's used.

[comrade]

I guess where there's life, there's hope. Interesting to see how he's used.

If he's going, some good performances on the way out will help us get better compensation.

[F'scary]

If he's going, some good performances on the way out will help us get better compensation.

Play him as the soft rebounding HBF, eh? Let him rack up the uncontested possessions. I like your thinking.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Hawks by 5 goals.
First goal: Stringer
BOG: Libba

[LostDoggy]

If he's going, some good performances on the way out will help us get better compensation.

Don't understand your logic? Hoping someone on the way out has a blinder, but bagging someone who isn't doesn't make any sense to me.

Nothing Higgins does in the next 5 weeks will change any compensation we will get.

I hope Cooney has a blinder!

[LostDoggy]

Another bye this week?

[Eastdog]

We are getting into the game now thank goodness after a bad start. Dahl got our first goal.

[LostDoggy]

Good goal Higgins.

[comrade]

Some shocking disposal by Higgins.

[comrade]

Don't understand your logic? Hoping someone on the way out has a blinder, but bagging someone who isn't doesn't make any sense to me.

Nothing Higgins does in the next 5 weeks will change any compensation we will get.

I hope Cooney has a blinder!

You don't think a five week purple patch won't influence what sort of contract other clubs may offer him? Clubs get swayed all the time.

The better the contract, the better the compo.

Of course, this is all on the proviso that he has decided to move on.

[F'scary]

Cooney - no involvement.

[bornadog]

Austin, Campbell and Cooney haven't touched the ball.

[The Underdog]

Cooney - no involvement.

0 disposals, didn't know he was out there until he showed up on the screen at quarter time

[F'scary]

You don't think a five week purple patch won't influence what sort of contract other clubs may offer him? Clubs get swayed all the time.

The better the contract, the better the compo.

Of course, this is all on the proviso that he has decided to move on.

Just edit the two turnovers from his highlights package. There is still the snap for the goal.

[comrade]

Cooney does not deserve his spot.

[LostDoggy]

You don't think a five week purple patch won't influence what sort of contract other clubs may offer him? Clubs get swayed all the time.

The better the contract, the better the compo.

Of course, this is all on the proviso that he has decided to move on.

We have been waiting for years for Higgins, if he did now I'd be more than pissed.

If he is going....I say stuff him!

[KT31]

Hawthorn have made
incorrect disposal to an art form.

[F'scary]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:Cooney: turnover of the century!

[LostDoggy]

Please Adam, call it yourself and don't make the powers do it!

[comrade]

Woeful again from Cooney.

Missed tackles, missed targets. Just horrible again today.

[KT31]

Four minutes and four missed shots, couple on target and we be right in this.

[ReLoad]

I wish we had a forward line.......

[KT31]

Any else notice Morris going to ground a fair bit ?

[comrade]

Any else notice Morris going to ground a fair bit ?

Yep, don't like it.

[F'scary]

Well, we are 5 goals down at half-time. Almost as concerning, Higgins hasn't done enough to enhance his compensation pick value.

[Go_Dogs]

Really tough day, struggling for match ups around the ground and our disposal hasn't done us any favours.

Better second from Campbell who contested well but missed a couple he probably should've taken.

Our finishing has been poor too, Stringer, Dahl and Hunter missing shots they should make.

Hope we keep our heads up and don't go down by 10 goals.

[always right]

I wish we had a forward line.......
I just want a forwardline that converts straight forward chances.

Not sure I've seen a worse game from Cooney. For Christ sake show something in the second half or you're destined for Footscray.

Final complaint....can someone shoot Macavaney? Gunston grabs a loose ball from the pack, turns around and kicks a simple goal. "That's Hawthorn" says Bruce. WTF?

[LostDoggy]

Any else notice Morris going to ground a fair bit ?

And JJ

[bornadog]

Woeful again from Cooney.

Missed tackles, missed targets. Just horrible again today.

Not sure why he didn't come back through the VFL. Two games there and would have been cherry ripe for next week.

[bornadog]

Griffen well held, needs to lift as does Crameri, Cooney and a number of others.

[F'scary]

Griffen well held, needs to lift as does Crameri, Cooney and a number of others.

thought Crameri has been doing ok.

[bornadog]

thought Crameri has been doing ok.

Better in the first quarter, but 6 touches isnot enough.

[LostDoggy]

Better in the first quarter, but 6 touches isnot enough.

Not looking dangerous. None of us are to be honest, same story trying their hearts out but just lacking skill and decision making ability at the moment. Stringer is a confidence player, would've loved him to snap that first in the first quarter, he would've been on.

[Twodogs]

I like our effort but it's the same old story. Basic skill errors and poor kicking at goal is most of the difference between us.

I reckon on the balance of play we are about two goals behind. If the guys who are having poor games can just get their hands on the ball we can beat this mob.

[The Underdog]

thought Crameri has been doing ok.

Yeah I thought his work to lead up and compete has been pretty strong, better in the first but a lot of work and competing that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

I'm a Cooney fan but he's been beyond awful.
Campbell competed better in the 2nd but is super slow to dispose of the footy.
Missed shots are so frustrating, hope we can stay around there without getting blown away

[LostDoggy]

Tommy tommy tommy!

[bulldogtragic]

Poor mans Tippett.

FU Bruce. Insult our boys some more why don't you.

[Go_Dogs]

Good patch from Campbell. Hawks defenders feeling the pressure.

[LostDoggy]

Yeah I thought his work to lead up and compete has been pretty strong, better in the first but a lot of work and competing that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

I'm a Cooney fan but he's been beyond awful.
Campbell competed better in the 2nd but is super slow to dispose of the footy.
Missed shots are so frustrating, hope we can stay around there without getting blown away


Yep Cooney is obviously not fit, no second efforts. Must go back to Footscray.

7 point play.

[Go_Dogs]

And Crammers, great work!

[kruder]

Just no reward for effort. Gee the boys are tying hard. Just need some luck!

What do you do with Coons and Higgings? They are both soft, one way footballers. I've had enough!

[LostDoggy]

Hawks are opportunistic, we can get em.

[kruder]

Just no reward for effort. Gee the boys are tying hard. Just need some luck!

What do you do with Coons and Higgings? They are both soft, one way footballers. I've had enough!

finally some reward!

[LostDoggy]

How did rough head get rid of that

[bornadog]

How did rough head get rid of that

I am so mad about that one and result is a goal to them. What rubbish umpiring

[bornadog]

Roughead throws our Roughead and no free. Hawks can do no wrong according to the umpire

[kruder]

I am so mad about that one and result is a goal to them. What rubbish umpiring

Absolute shocker. The good teams get those breaks.

[LostDoggy]

Absolute shocker. The good teams get those breaks.

Land the ensuing momentum!

[LostDoggy]

*And

[Sedat]

Anybody wanting to complain about getting the Pipe and Lynchy doing our games on Fox Footy, give me 50 years of that duo compared to the tripe that Channel 7 give to us. What the hell is Vitamins McVeigh even doing with a job in footy?

[Remi Moses]

Anybody wanting to complain about getting the Pipe and Lynchy doing our games on Fox Footy, give me 50 years of that duo compared to the tripe that Channel 7 give to us. What the hell is Vitamins McVeigh even doing with a job in footy?

They'd be health vitamins

[chef]

Spike struggles to put a coherent sentence together.

[ReLoad]

Anybody wanting to complain about getting the Pipe and Lynchy doing our games on Fox Footy, give me 50 years of that duo compared to the tripe that Channel 7 give to us. What the hell is Vitamins McVeigh even doing with a job in footy?

How is Bruce Macavaney on Campbell "he is a poor mans Tippett" I mean WTF is that? followed up closely with "There is no way the dogs will win this" with us only 20 points down and having all the momentum.

what I have learnt from the game is that I really don't rate Hawthorn.

[always right]

Disappointing that Cooney just may have played his last game wearing a red vest.

Have defended Austin and the role he's played in recent weeks but he's been a liability today.

[bornadog]

Disappointing that Cooney just may have played his last game wearing a red vest.

I doubt it. Needs a stint at VFL level.

[bornadog]

Good to see some contested marks in the forward line

[Sedat]

When does Minson get the tap on the shoulder from the match committee? He has managed to make McEvoy look AFL standard today. If Higgins and Wood can spend time in the VFL for poor form surely Minno is staring demotion in the face.

[azabob]

Disappointing that Cooney just may have played his last game wearing a red vest.

Have defended Austin and the role he's played in recent weeks but he's been a liability today.

Has Austin been any worse than Roughead?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Another week another key forward kicks a bag

[The Underdog]

Getting blown out now

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Really disappointing that we've given up the ghost. Second week in a row our key defensive posts have been badly exposed.

[LostDoggy]

Who did Darcy play for?

[Sedat]

Harsh on Austin, very harsh. He's getting isolated one-on-one against Roughead with no defensive cover whatsoever. Where is our Josh Gibson to go 3rd man in?

[Sedat]

Shut up Macavaney FFS with your inane drivel. Ditto Darcy. Ditto Watson

[LostDoggy]

Disappointing that Cooney just may have played his last game wearing a red vest.

Have defended Austin and the role he's played in recent weeks but he's been a liability today.

Wrong on both.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

This umpire is an arse clown. How did Roughy have any chance to dispose of that.

[Sedat]

Umpire #17 succumbing to the Hawthorn champion team mystique. Every Hawks tackle is HTB and every Dogs tackle is too high, also every time Hawks drop it and dispose incorrectly it is play on.

Hard enough to beat this mob as it is.

[The Underdog]

Who did Darcy play for?

Do you really want commentators to be biased towards the team they played for?

[always right]

Such a mix of good and bad that game. I'll be deleting that recording,

[always right]

When does Minson get the tap on the shoulder from the match committee? He has managed to make McEvoy look AFL standard today. If Higgins and Wood can spend time in the VFL for poor form surely Minno is staring demotion in the face.
Bullshit. Started poorly but got right on top of Big boy. He wasn't our problem today.

[Sedat]

Bullshit. Started poorly but got right on top of Big boy. He wasn't our problem today.
Beg to differ. He was a non-factor the whole match, especially early on where this game was basically won and lost. We should be expecting much more from our AA ruckman.

[LostDoggy]

Do you really want commentators to be biased towards the team they played for?

Yep!

[The Underdog]

Yep!

Not sure how that helps, doesn't change the fact that we were seriously outclassed. I'd rather he concentrate on not being rubbish as a commentator than adding bias to the mix.
One things for sure, the two things that didn't lose this game for us were commentators or umpires.

[Sedat]

I'd rather he concentrate on not being rubbish as a commentator than adding bias to the mix.
He's the worst mix of Channel 7 - vanilla insights with a sprinkling of BT style bluster (eg: he's a big unit). Channel 7 absolutely destroys the football watching experience on TV.

[LostDoggy]

Not sure how that helps, doesn't change the fact that we were seriously outclassed. I'd rather he concentrate on not being rubbish as a commentator than adding bias to the mix.
One things for sure, the two things that didn't lose this game for us were commentators or umpires.

I agree with you, but it's salt in the wound.........I just can't understand how someone can play for a footy club their whole career and not be biased, if anything he goes the other way. Lingy is still unashamedly favourable towards the Cats, I don't resent him for it, it's completely natural. Darcy is only worried about how much money he can make, and that means hamming it up for the big clubs or sitting on the fence. When do you hear him on the Hot Breakfast being as vociferous about the Doggies as Eddie or Mick are about the Pies or the Tigers? That's fine it's his prerogative, but he like his Pubs are gradually moving East, so for mine he can keep his helicopter away from WO.

[The Underdog]

I agree with you, but it's salt in the wound.........I just can't understand how someone can play for a footy club their whole career and not be biased, if anything he goes the other way. Lingy is still unashamedly favourable towards the Cats, I don't resent him for it, it's completely natural. Darcy is only worried about how much money he can make, and that means hamming it up for the big clubs or sitting on the fence. When do you hear him on the Hot Breakfast being as vociferous about the Doggies as Eddie or Mick are about the Pies or the Tigers? That's fine it's his prerogative, but he like his Pubs are gradually moving East, so for mine he can keep his helicopter away from WO.

Maybe it's easy for Lingy to be biased about the Cats because they continue to be pretty *!*!*!*!ing good. Darcy would say more positive things about us if we could put consistent good footy together.
Could care less what happens on MMM, if it blew up tomorrow I wouldn't notice.

[Go_Dogs]

Disappointing finish, will be interesting to see how we play out the year now, including on the selection front.

Positives were Griff who had a really good second half, Murph, Libba and Macrae also had good games.

Hopefully our younger crop can take something out of the game.

Umpiring was rubbish, but the Hawks are a very strong side.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Beg to differ. He was a non-factor the whole match, especially early on where this game was basically won and lost. We should be expecting much more from our AA ruckman.

Hardly a AA ruck man this year? Very strange to think that we finally select a capable second ruckman in big Tom Campbell and yet he was rarely used in the ruck.

[BulldogBelle]

Has Austin been any worse than Roughead?

I think that he has been worse, the other backmen seem to have caught his fall-over-at-the-contest disease. The rationale must be that if you fall over at the contest then losing it probably wasn't your fault. I think that it is Austin's strong point.

[Eastdog]

While it was a disappointing afternoon watching that game I thought for 3 quarters we fought very well. We certainly were making them work hard and at one stage they actually were struggling to score. Griff was good along with Libba. Murph is just a champ and I'm so glad we signed him on for another year. Morris works hard as always. The game was a good test for our youngsters against a strong team and they will only learn and improve from that experience. Campbell was an important presence up forward. The final term was obviously really bad. So all in all despite a big loss it wasn't all negative.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

While it was a disappointing afternoon watching that game I thought for 3 quarters we fought very well. We certainly were making them work hard and at one stage they actually were struggling to score. Griff was good along with Libba. Murph is just a champ and I'm so glad we signed him on for another year. Morris works hard as always. The game was a good test for our youngsters against a strong team and they will only learn and improve from that experience. Campbell was an important presence up forward. The final term was obviously really bad. So all in all despite a big loss it wasn't all negative.
Good thoughts Eastdog. We should have been a lot closer at three quarter time, having missed too many shots at goal. The final term was very disappointing however, which showed up our inability to match a quality team like Hawthorn for the entire match. Campbell did give us a presence up forward and will be even better being given more time in the ruck. We still lack another KPF and KPD and would like to see Jones and Roberts played next week. I am beginning to doubt the wisdom in playing Cooney and Higgins.

[Eastdog]

Good thoughts Eastdog. We should have been a lot closer at three quarter time, having missed too many shots at goal. The final term was very disappointing however, which showed up our inability to match a quality team like Hawthorn for the entire match. Campbell did give us a presence up forward and will be even better being given more time in the ruck. We still lack another KPF and KPD and would like to see Jones and Roberts played next week. I am beginning to doubt the wisdom in playing Cooney and Higgins.

Do you reckon Coons and Higgins time is just about up?

[LostDoggy]

While it was a disappointing afternoon watching that game I thought for 3 quarters we fought very well. We certainly were making them work hard and at one stage they actually were struggling to score. Griff was good along with Libba. Murph is just a champ and I'm so glad we signed him on for another year. Morris works hard as always. The game was a good test for our youngsters against a strong team and they will only learn and improve from that experience. Campbell was an important presence up forward. The final term was obviously really bad. So all in all despite a big loss it wasn't all negative.

I agree, didn't think it was all bad. I stopped watching half way through the third qtr when we got as close as we got all day (had to go out), so missed the horror of the last bit. Wasn't too surprised at how it ended up though, you could see it coming. Teams are scoring too easily against us, appears to be even easier than early in the year which is a ral concern. Also thought some of the young guys were showing their age a bit today.... shown up by the bigger bodies and experience of the hawks.

But for all that we had our chances and looked pretty dangerous at times, if only we'd taken some of the chances.

Also enjoyed big tom grabbing a couple of big marks.

[Twodogs]

Who out of our veterans would you keep? Murphy, Morris and probably Gia.


Murphy and Morris have both signed on again for next year and Gia will be retiring.

[Eastdog]

I agree, didn't think it was all bad. I stopped watching half way through the third qtr when we got as close as we got all day (had to go out), so missed the horror of the last bit. Wasn't too surprised at how it ended up though, you could see it coming. Teams are scoring too easily against us, appears to be even easier than early in the year which is a ral concern. Also thought some of the young guys were showing their age a bit today.... shown up by the bigger bodies and experience of the hawks.

But for all that we had our chances and looked pretty dangerous at times, if only we'd taken some of the chances.

Also enjoyed big tom grabbing a couple of big marks.

Yep we missed a lot of opportunities when the match was even and could of capitalised and gave them a scare but it wasn't to be. That head start we gave them in the 1st quarter did not help us. Would have been more of chance if it was more even on the scoreboard at quarter time.

[Eastdog]

Murphy and Morris have both signed on again for next year and Gia will be retiring.

Absolutely of course. What about Cooney, Higgins and Boyd. Coons such a shame that his retirement will most likely be earlier than he expected.

[bornadog]

Coons such a shame that his retirement will most likely be earlier than he expected.

According to WOOF.

[Eastdog]

According to WOOF.

Yep it's all just rumour from us at the moment until he announces it officially.

[G-Mo77]

Only watched teh first today but really disappointing. I can only recall being belted a couple of other times this year and with 2 of Hawthorn's better players out before the game started I thought we'd put in a good fight.

Without knowing anything about the game and just looking at bests and goals on the Web site. Our backline is a big concern? That's 14 goals from KPF in 2 matches. We've got to get some help in there fast.

[Eastdog]

Only watched teh first today but really disappointing. I can only recall being belted a couple of other times this year and with 2 of Hawthorn's better players out before the game started I thought we'd put in a good fight.

Without knowing anything about the game and just looking at bests and goals on the Web site. Our backline is a big concern? That's 14 goals from KPF in 2 matches. We've got to get some help in there fast.

Morris is great and all down there for experience but yeah other than Roughead who else will have a future with us down there. Can you see Austin staying?

[Remi Moses]

According to WOOF.

Cooney's got knee issues which are chronic, and unless he can miraculously be rebuilt, he needs to be retired.
Stop cheerleading on our players For Christ sake

[1eyedog]

Beg to differ. He was a non-factor the whole match, especially early on where this game was basically won and lost. We should be expecting much more from our AA ruckman.

He smashed big boy in hit outs which really is his core role. McEvoy just took more marks around the ground as per usual which always dolls him up.

[bornadog]

Cooney's got knee issues which are chronic, and unless he can miraculously be rebuilt, he needs to be retired.
Stop cheerleading on our players For Christ sake

Stop telling me to do so. I have an opinion just like anyone else.

[LostDoggy]

I thought Austin, the former Blue, battled hard. Austin, the former Blue, showed genuine emotion whenever Roughy kicked a goal late. It was great to see Campbell, who kicked 9 goals in his last five games in 2013, back in the team. Campbell, who kicked 9 goals in his last five games in 2013, provided a tall target deep in the forwardline.

[Mofra]

Morris is great and all down there for experience but yeah other than Roughead who else will have a future with us down there. Can you see Austin staying?
I thought Austin was better than Roughy yesterday - Hawks' plan was to drag Roughy away from goal then exploit his lack of athleticism worked well.

It's a worry that other teams will do this as well - especially those that have three or more legitimate marking options.

[soupman]

I thought Austin was better than Roughy yesterday - Hawks' plan was to drag Roughy away from goal then exploit his lack of athleticism worked well.

It's a worry that other teams will do this as well - especially those that have three or more legitimate marking options.

The logical move is that Roughead just stays with the deepest one and if they leave the forward 50 he swaps with another key defender. Sides used to try and drag Lake out of defence and he would just swap to whoever they put there instead. I'm more worried that atm when he is one on one deep in defence he is too worried about his opponent. I'd like him to just attack the ball and back himself in to win it with his reach.

[Happy Days]

That game didn't even need to happen. Total paint by numbers affair where no one showed anything we didn't already know, or just served to create disappointment.

Cooney looks done, I'm not willing to call him a pussy or a one way passenger or whatever but it's plain to see he is too limited physically to play a full season. Austin playing and Talia/Roberts not is a disgrace; cracking it (as opposed to cracking in) because no one gets back to help cover a two on one is fair, but cracking it when you get beaten badly despite having position A because you thought it made you look committed the last time you did it is petulant and altogether too Brett Thorntonish to play AFL.

Minson is not the problem.

Griffen was good I guess. Picken too. Crameri's still fat. Footy sucks again.

[Bulldog4life]

Absolutely of course. What about Cooney, Higgins and Boyd. Coons such a shame that his retirement will most likely be earlier than he expected.

Boyd will be playing on next year.

[Sedat]

He smashed big boy in hit outs which really is his core role. McEvoy just took more marks around the ground as per usual which always dolls him up.
Actually Hawthorn won the hitouts 44 to 43. Minno really should be toying with an opponent like McEvoy in his core role but that wasn't the case yesterday.

In any event we got smashed in the clearances which suggests to me that he was ineffective with his hitouts. And we all know he was ineffective around the ground. Right here and now, Campbell has far more strings to his bow elsewhere around the ground - Minson really need to lift.

[lemmon]

Watching the replay now and had to mention what the hell was going on with Roughead's fourth goal? That is some of the most shambolic defending I've ever seen. Being caught on the break is one thing but the amount of space and loose men they had in the forward 50 is astounding, not to mention the Hawks kicker took the wrong option into the forward 50 but our ridiculous defending in the marking contest gave up the goal anyway.

It's just one passage of play but I had to mention it for how seriously putrid it was.

[Hotdog60]

Did we miss Wally in the centre?

[bornadog]

Watching the replay now and had to mention what the hell was going on with Roughead's fourth goal? That is some of the most shambolic defending I've ever seen. Being caught on the break is one thing but the amount of space and loose men they had in the forward 50 is astounding, not to mention the Hawks kicker took the wrong option into the forward 50 but our ridiculous defending in the marking contest gave up the goal anyway.

It's just one passage of play but I had to mention it for how seriously putrid it was.

There is no real leadership in the back half. Our Roughead has a long way to go and maybe playing with his confidence shot. We need a general in the backline.

[Eastdog]

There is no real leadership in the back half. Our Roughead has a long way to go and maybe playing with his confidence shot. We need a general in the backline.

Morris but his experienced and not up and coming.

[1eyedog]

Actually Hawthorn won the hitouts 44 to 43. Minno really should be toying with an opponent like McEvoy in his core role but that wasn't the case yesterday.

In any event we got smashed in the clearances which suggests to me that he was ineffective with his hitouts. And we all know he was ineffective around the ground. Right here and now, Campbell has far more strings to his bow elsewhere around the ground - Minson really need to lift.

Yes but the point is he did. Hale got hold of a heap of hit outs which skews the overall numbers. Point is Minson got hold of big boy at stoppages and was in most reporters bests.

[always right]

People should watch the second quarter again. I was impressed that after a poor first quarter Will absolutely dominated McEvoy, forcing Hale to spend more time in the ruck. Libba was the benefit of much of Will's work.

[Ozza]

There is no real leadership in the back half. Our Roughead has a long way to go and maybe playing with his confidence shot. We need a general in the backline.

Is Morris not the general? Murphy?

If you ever hear the defenders speaking either in media or in the social club before games, they regularly talk about the leadership of Morris and Murphy down back.

[bornadog]

Is Morris not the general? Murphy?

If you ever hear the defenders speaking either in media or in the social club before games, they regularly talk about the leadership of Morris and Murphy down back.

Well it was a bit of a mess against the Hawks, so not working.

[chef]

Well it was a bit of a mess against the Hawks, so not working.

Hawks are a pretty good side though.

[1eyedog]

Well it was a bit of a mess against the Hawks, so not working.

I don't reckon Roughie is quite right ATM.

[always right]

I don't reckon Roughie is quite right ATM.

Apparently it had more to do with the lack of leadership from Murph and Morris.

[bornadog]

I don't reckon Roughie is quite right ATM.

Agree, his confidence is shot at the moment. I still think he is effected by the shoulder injury.


Apparently it had more to do with the lack of leadership from Murph and Morris.

Oh, thanks for letting us know.

[Go_Dogs]

I've removed a couple of posts, let's keep the thread on track.

[1eyedog]

[QUOTE=bornadog;388948]Agree, his confidence is shot at the moment. I still think he is effected by the shoulder injury.


Yeah they're not mutually exclusive. Upper body injuries are bad for football because there is just so much constant contact there - JJ still hasn't recovered mentally. Roughie's confidence is down and he is either sore of has no confidence in his shoulder or both. Just my take.

[Ozza]

Well it was a bit of a mess against the Hawks, so not working.

I don't really agree with this. The backmen made a couple of blues, but overall I thought Hawthorn's scoring was mostly generated from smashing us in the stoppages and getting the ball in the hands of their good ball users who had way too much time and space.

It is extremely difficult to defend the likes of Roughead and Gunston when the ball is coming in with very little pressure up field.

We also got burnt from turnovers - poor kicks from Higgins, Cooney and Macrae (just as a few examples) led to easy Hawthorn goals.

In the last quarter - we simply couldn't get through the Hawthorn zone and the repeat entries resulted in the game being blown out like it was.

[Bulldog4life]

[QUOTE=bornadog;388948]Agree, his confidence is shot at the moment. I still think he is effected by the shoulder injury.


Yeah they're not mutually exclusive. Upper body injuries are bad for football because there is just so much constant contact there - JJ still hasn't recovered mentally. Roughie's confidence is down and he is either sore of has no confidence in his shoulder or both. Just my take.

That is the impression I get too. Nearly every match there are times where he winces in pain and is very slow to get off the deck.

[Sedat]

I don't really agree with this. The backmen made a couple of blues, but overall I thought Hawthorn's scoring was mostly generated from smashing us in the stoppages and getting the ball in the hands of their good ball users who had way too much time and space.

It is extremely difficult to defend the likes of Roughead and Gunston when the ball is coming in with very little pressure up field.
Yep, if we had that sort of discrepancy in clearances and CP's this time last year that would have been a 20 goal loss. That was probably the worst performance in those key indicators by our midfield all season (possibly the Carlton game as well). Roughy and Austin were given no support and had to compete one-on-one as a result.