WOOF Analysis

[bulldogtragic]

Hi guys, a community service request.

It seems a little quiet of late on WOOF. As one of 300+ WOOFERS if you read this thread, can you please post a reply (anything will do). It will only take a few seconds and we can gauge some analysis, it's something like 'role call' I would call it.

[bornadog]

Why?

[bulldogtragic]

Present.

[bulldogtragic]

Why?

Just trying to see as a contributor that the 300+ of us are able or willing to participate. It seems like things are slowing quite measurably. Just want to ask the question and see if we can get to 300+ posts.

Nothing sinister. By the way, that counts as your replying post! :)

[ledge]

Maybe because its the end of year and we aren't making finals

[Eastdog]

I'm a passionate Bulldog supporter who lives in the eastern suburbs. I was quite happy to see quite a few Dogs fans on the weekend coming home on the train. Was a very dissapointing as far as the game went. Bonts is going to be a champ. Murph is still great.

[Ozza]

Think many get a bit 'footied out' by this time in the year if finals is not on the agenda.

[chef]

A lot of people(many senior posters too) have dropped off in the last couple of seasons.

[bulldogtragic]

A lot of people(many senior posters too) have dropped off in the last couple of seasons.

I wonder why?

[firstdogonthemoon]

Hello

[Eastdog]

We haven't made the finals since 2010. We need to make a return to then soon.

[Bulldog Joe]

I know some of the former posters seem to have disappeared.

This could be a mix of disinterest or disenchantment with the club.

Hopefully we will pull a few who are more excited as (when) we build momentum with our emerging players.

Personally, I have been less active due to just a very busy personal and business life over the last year or so.

Still as passionate about the Dogs.

[LostDoggy]

Bontempelli.

[chef]

I wonder why?

Few reasons I guess

-Rocket getting sacked
-not being a very good side
-this place can be abrasive/facebookish at times
-disenchantment with the club
-burnout

[Twodogs]

Fraser Gehrig?

[KT31]

Present and now accounted for.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Less time for me to be an active regular contributor these days due to other priorities. I still like to check out the forum in breaks at work on my phone but usually only have time to post during or immediately following the game.

[Mofra]

Hello

[Sedat]

I'm here BT.

I still post on here quite regularly but work commitments and my general apathy towards the borderline corrupt nature of the AFL, and the poor quality of the game itself, has resulted in me going to far less games than I did previously. Been to only 2 games all season compared to the 12-15 I'd go to in previous seasons without fail - they were the Richmond game and the first Melbourne game at the MCG so I chose my games well ;)

I still have a strong interest in the Dogs, but much less of an interest in the game itself, and I will continue my membership irrespective of whether or not I go to the games.

WOOF is still a high quality outlet for excellent (and for the most part) objective discussion on footy matters.

[Bulldog Joe]

I'm here BT.

I still post on here quite regularly but work commitments and my general apathy towards the borderline corrupt nature of the AFL, and the poor quality of the game itself, has resulted in me going to far less games than I did previously. Been to only 2 games all season compared to the 12-15 I'd go to in previous seasons without fail - they were the Richmond game and the first Melbourne game at the MCG so I chose my games well ;)

I still have a strong interest in the Dogs, but much less of an interest in the game itself, and I will continue my membership irrespective of whether or not I go to the games.

WOOF is still a high quality outlet for excellent (and for the most part) objective discussion on footy matters.

With a record like that we need you attending much more often. You may be responsible for not winning more games:)

[ReLoad]

The Bont for PM.

[LostDoggy]

Yet another negative thread BT. Honestly, can you get yourself some neon lights? :)

[Hotdog60]

May I have your attention please?
May I have your attention please?
Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Slim Shady please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here..

[Go_Dogs]

I'm here, as with others I've been a bit quieter recently due to work and other things but still enjoy the standard of discussion and well reasoned posts which remain (generally) the norm and not the exception.

[bulldogtragic]

Yet another negative thread BT. Honestly, can you get yourself some neon lights? :)

Just a welfare check. Can't wait until my great thread can start at father/son bids!!!!!

[westdog54]

Sympathy post

[Axe Man]

I'm Brian and so's my wife

[BulldogBelle]

Delicious.

[1eyedog]

I don't post that much anymore but I still really enjoy logging in most days to read what my more learned WOOF members are discussing. Getting on here is a long way better than getting the Monday morning paper(s).

[mjp]

Present

[Bulldog4life]

Another intriguing thread BT.

[boydogs]

Bontempelli.

Bontempelli Bontempelli.

Great, now I feel like a Pokemon

[LostDoggy]

Here.
I dont post a lot. Being in WA I dont get to many games. The forum provides information I wouldnt usually get access to i.e real life review of VFL performances etc.

[LostDoggy]

Woof

[Remi Moses]

Here.
I dont post a lot. Being in WA I dont get to many games. The forum provides information I wouldnt usually get access to i.e real life review of VFL performances etc.

Not good enough;)

[soupman]

Here.

[Greystache]

Getting about what we expected here sadly BT.

[lemmon]

Present

[The Underdog]

Getting about what we expected here sadly BT.

What did you sadly expect?

Oh yeah, I exist somewhat

[josie]

Here. Go Dogs !!

[F'scary]

I am very house bound on weekends at present. I am a sideline member and contributor to the club's initiative to get kids to the game. I have only been able to go to one game this year. Woof gives me an outlet to participate in the broader life of the club and its fortunes on and off the field even if sometimes the mods seem a bit heavy handed with my contributions.

[SlimPickens]

I think Jarrad Grant is overrated.

[LostDoggy]

Not good enough;)

Fair call:)

[Eastdog]

I forgot BT. Present. Carn the Dogs!!

[azabob]

Yo, BT.

Zaine Cordy committee member here & waiting....

[always right]

Well hello

[Maddog37]

Is it me? Am I on?

[Mantis]

Why can't we just get along?

[comrade]

Here, but not as prolific as I once was.

Fatherhood, moving away from the footy hotbed that is Melbourne and a general antipathy towards the AFL have all contributed. Still enjoy reading WOOF every day and having my say from time to time.

[BulldogBelle]

I upgraded my computer about 6 months ago and suddenly found that I could no longer log in. So I started a new character. I have been with WOOF from the start but under a different name.

[SquirrelGrip]

When we're not winning, I can only put up with a certain amount of negativity.

[LostDoggy]

Yul perkins

[wimberga]

Here, but not as prolific as I once was.

Fatherhood, moving away from the footy hotbed that is Melbourne and a general antipathy towards the AFL have all contributed. Still enjoy reading WOOF every day and having my say from time to time.

Present - but this is me too. Just change fatherhood to moving in with girlfriend.

[LostDoggy]

BT you just needed to throw out a communal MARCO!

[LostDoggy]

Alex the Astronaut

[LostDoggy]

Go Dogs!

[bulldogtragic]

Yo, BT.

Zaine Cordy committee member here & waiting....

Thank you Deputy-Deputy President Az! :)

[LostDoggy]

Here. Usually check out Woof once or twice a week when I turn on my computer.

[bulldogtragic]

BT you just needed to throw out a communal MARCO!

:) It took me a while to get it, and then I smiled. Thanks Murph. :)

[FrediKanoute]

Here, but not as prolific as I once was.

Fatherhood, moving away from the footy hotbed that is Melbourne and a general antipathy towards the AFL have all contributed. Still enjoy reading WOOF every day and having my say from time to time.

I second you Comrade...multiple fatherhood and increasing work commitments.......

[jazzadogs]

I read regularly but only post when I can sneak a few minutes away from my non-football loving girlfriend to formulate a coherent Bulldogs thought!!

So while I have the chance, stuff Boomer Harvey!!

[The Bulldogs Bite]

A lot busier than I used to be, but still try to be a regular contributor.

[Throughandthrough]

i like boobs

[bornadog]

i like boobs
you are on the wrong forum:D

[BulldogBelle]

OK.

Read but not much of a poster.

[Scraggers]

Present !!!

Work and young family are my excuses.

Love WOOF ... As an ex-pat Victorian living in Perth, this forum is my contact with the club and fellow Bulldog supporters.

I promise I'll try and post more

[Dry Rot]

I'm actually Matthew Fuller and you can all go and get stuffed.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm actually Matthew Fuller and you can all go and get stuffed.

Do your rehab and get a kick Matthew. :)

[Dry Rot]

Do your rehab and get a kick Matthew. :)

I'm doing my own trade with Patton - my knee for his shoulder.

[Dry Rot]

BY the way, what is this thread about?

[LostDoggy]

BY the way, what is this thread about?

Our love of James Hird

[LostDoggy]

Our love of James Hird

No wonder I haven't added my name to this thread!!

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Bontempelli.

Macrae

[LostDoggy]

Here sir

[LostDoggy]

BY the way, what is this thread about?

Marketing research. By posting, you've now given your consent to have your email address forwarded to database on-sellers.

[jeemak]

Life gets in the way a bit more than it used to, but I still really enjoy logging on to woof regularly although my posting rate has fallen.

I think since the change of coach, the bottom out and ensuing rebuild commenced the long road towards a positive ledger has taken its toll on a lot of contributors. As other posters have said the AFL environment and product is becoming less engaging by the day.

There's certainly a more adversarial tone on the forum than there used to be, and various hobby horses have been well and truly ridden into the ground over the past two years or so!

This is still a good forum.

[Jam Donuts]

I think Jarrad Grant is overrated.

I know he is.

[Scorlibo]

Life gets in the way a bit more than it used to, but I still really enjoy logging on to woof regularly although my posting rate has fallen.

I think since the change of coach, the bottom out and ensuing rebuild commenced the long road towards a positive ledger has taken its toll on a lot of contributors. As other posters have said the AFL environment and product is becoming less engaging by the day.

There's certainly a more adversarial tone on the forum than there used to be, and various hobby horses have been well and truly ridden into the ground over the past two years or so!

This is still a good forum.

What you said.

I'm still here.

[G-Mo77]

A son who is almost a year old takes most of my time which brings me more joy than anything. Roller coaster year, lost a really good friend who took their own life, not long after discovered my liver was failing which caused a complete change of lifestyle as well as the ups and downs of parenthood I guess I've prioritised as the year has gone on. WOOF or the WB aren't really at the top of my priority list now days. Still visit regularly but read more than post.

[jeemak]

A son who is almost a year old takes most of my time which brings me more joy than anything. Roller coaster year, lost a really good friend who took their own life, not long after discovered my liver was failing which caused a complete change of lifestyle as well as the ups and downs of parenthood I guess I've prioritised as the year has gone on. WOOF or the WB aren't really at the top of my priority list now days. Still visit regularly but read more than post.

Sounds like a real mixed bag of a year man. Sorry to hear about your friend, and your liver. Happy to hear you're enjoying your young fella and fatherhood.

[chef]

Getting about what we expected here sadly BT.

And what was that if you don't mind me asking?

[G-Mo77]

Sounds like a real mixed bag of a year man. Sorry to hear about your friend, and your liver. Happy to hear you're enjoying your young fella and fatherhood.

Yeah.

The little fella kept me strong during the hard times and the reason I found it easy to get healthy again. Liver is close to 100% now and haven't felt healthier in a long time. Although as i type that I'm in bed with another man cold. The joys of bugs that are passed around kids. :)

[Murphy'sLore]

I'm here, sitting quietly in the corner and putting up my hand occasionally.

All the best to you, G-Mo, and hope the road gets easier for you.

[bulldogtragic]

A son who is almost a year old takes most of my time which brings me more joy than anything. Roller coaster year, lost a really good friend who took their own life, not long after discovered my liver was failing which caused a complete change of lifestyle as well as the ups and downs of parenthood I guess I've prioritised as the year has gone on. WOOF or the WB aren't really at the top of my priority list now days. Still visit regularly but read more than post.

Best wishes GMo.

[jeemak]

And what was that if you don't mind me asking?

That's a more than reasonable question to ask.

[bornadog]

Yeah.

The little fella kept me strong during the hard times and the reason I found it easy to get healthy again. Liver is close to 100% now and haven't felt healthier in a long time. Although as i type that I'm in bed with another man cold. The joys of bugs that are passed around kids. :)

when you are back to full health the joy will come taking the little one to games

[Sedat]

With a record like that we need you attending much more often. You may be responsible for not winning more games:)
How do you explain me going to 13 games in 2012 and seeing only 1 win? ;)

[GVGjr]

I guess the point of the thread is to see if it's worth keeping the site going as it is now. Contributions are well down over the last two years and largish portion of our 300 plus members prefer to either just read the content of the site without contributing or if they do it's more in the line of a tweet than a decent discussion.
There are still a good portion of the sites members that make a great effort but I wonder how long they will keep doing the heavy lifting.

Costs to run and maintain the site have increased which is more than okay with a vibrant forum but vastly harder to justify with a quiet one.

I'm running out of options to motivate members to contribute to discussions and may have consider some other options.

[bornadog]

I guess the point of the thread is to see if it's worth keeping the site going as it is now. Contributions are well down over the last two years and largish portion of our 300 plus members prefer to either just read the content of the site without contributing or if they do it's more in the line of a tweet than a decent discussion.
There are still a good portion of the sites members that make a great effort but I wonder how long they will keep doing the heavy lifting.

Costs to run and maintain the site have increased which is more than okay with a vibrant forum but vastly harder to justify with a quiet one.

I'm running out of options to motivate members to contribute to discussions and may have consider some other options.

Well if existing members won't contribute, the site needs new members.

[GVGjr]

Well if existing members won't contribute, the site needs new members.

Over the last 40 new members to the site maybe 6 have made it to double figures. Nearly all the feedback I get is that they would prefer to be reading the content rather than contributing to discussions.

I agree we need new members to maintain some momentum but it hasn't happened like I hoped.

[bornadog]

Over the last 40 new members to the site maybe 6 have made it to double figures. Nearly all the feedback I get is that they would prefer to be reading the content rather than contributing to discussions.

I agree we need new members to maintain some momentum but it hasn't happened like I hoped.

That is disappointing.

[Bulldog Joe]

How do you explain me going to 13 games in 2012 and seeing only 1 win? ;)

Just the ebb and flow of life, but when it is happening you need to keep it happening.

[LostDoggy]

An issue could be that new members don't command the same attention as seasoned well known posters.

Without trying to sound like a sourpuss, there has been numerous occasions I have taken the time to make a solid contribution to a discussion or ask a question, only to be ignored and watch as people would rather reply to the 1 line snide remark.

[boydogs]

I think you're underselling the activity on here. Not that long ago there were "Coach", "All Australian" and "Bulldog Team of the Century" badges as posters climbed towards 1,000 posts, yet now bornadog is on 18,000 and even I'm over 2,500

[Murphy'sLore]

Not everybody who enjoys reading the forum is a football expert.

[Twodogs]

Good stuff G-Mo. Get better soon, there's lots to do!

[Ozza]

I'm surprised to hear that the overall contribution is down. I guess I hadn't noticed that overly.

Obviously the absence of The Coon Dog, Chops, Sockeye Salmon to name a just few former big contributors - has impacted the site.

[Murphy'sLore]

I miss Lantern.

[bornadog]

I'm surprised to hear that the overall contribution is down. I guess I hadn't noticed that overly.

Obviously the absence of The Coon Dog, Chops, Sockeye Salmon to name a just few former big contributors - has impacted the site.


I miss Lantern.

Yes, they all contributed a lot one way or another and gave posters plenty of reason to post back.

[westdog54]

TCD and Lantern were definitely massive, massive losses for the site and for different reasons. SS, love him or hate him, certainly got people talking and loved a good clean fight. Chops and I had our moments on here but part of the reason for that was that we know each other away from the site and could happily sit and enjoy a game together without even mentioning WOOF.

[Maddog37]

I feel there is less inside knowledge available with the loss of some posters and other club changes which for me is one of the great attractions with Woof.

I also tend to read more than post as the year goes on due to the simple fact that I am tired of the season now that there is no more upside.

Still love the forum though.

[GVGjr]

All, let's not discuss individual contributors. I don't believe it was the point of the thread.

[The Underdog]

Not everybody who enjoys reading the forum is a football expert.

Have you been to the football? Almost nobody who goes there is a football expert :)

[LostDoggy]

I love the updates on here, WOOF is my first port of call for dogs info, I have a quick read daily.

However, I am really busy these days, so I don't get a chance to contribute anything considered, meaningful or of any significant length.

I love the dogs as much or more than any of the posters, hence why my new flat screen nearly ended up going over the balcony after the St K prelim. I am however restricted by my location and in time to remain as close to the day to day of the club as others on the board, as such, it can feel or be perceived that my posts are trivial or lacking correctness when viewed by the more studious doggies watchers. Like facebook, the keyboard warriors are ready to pounce and rejoice in their mad keyboard skills, too many battles take place, it probably is facebook related, Ive stepped well back from there too... I just don't have the time or inclination to argue with people online, it takes time I don't have, people behave in a manner contrary to the way they would if they were face to face. It seems like some of you live on here, that's just not me. Not that I have ever been targeted but I see that some people are, at times it seems like schoolyard bullying, the victims then look for an opportunity to have revenge. I cant understand how there can be spite amongst us, we've been through so much already for this team! I have never gone on to big footy and I hear what you all have to say about that place, so I never will. There also seems to be a tendency for the longer term posters prefer to discuss with other long term posters and treat the newer ones with disinterest.

Keep up the good work GVG (and team) though, it is a great forum with excellent contributors but certainly more of a consumption than contribute forum for me these days. GVG is a great model, he is always balanced and remains respectful regardless of divergent opinions. It is a discussion board, people will disagree but people go the man too often rather than the point.

[Sedat]

Have you been to the football? Almost nobody who goes there is a football expert :)
Not the least of whom are located in the Channel 7 commentary box

[The Pie Man]

I'm here - I'm here most days, but admittedly (like some) more to peruse than contribute.
Also new to parenthood (like some) which has taken a huge chunk of what was my recreation time.
I still also believe (like most) that this site is still better than reading the MSM for footy opinion & news. Part of that is why I sometimes don't post, as what I read here seriously informs my views on the game and our club...so I hesitate when thinking there's not a great deal I can offer a particular discussion.
I'll try a bit more though - don't want the day to day of this site to be in jeopardy, because as I say, I'm on here almost every day.

[The Pie Man]

Not the least of whom are located in the Channel 7 commentary box

I don't know if anything I've heard during a Dogs game can top (bottom) Alastair Lynch's observation during the GC game on Foxtel that Jack Redpath's 'hands are handy'

His hands are handy.....

[Axe Man]

An issue could be that new members don't command the same attention as seasoned well known posters.

Without trying to sound like a sourpuss, there has been numerous occasions I have taken the time to make a solid contribution to a discussion or ask a question, only to be ignored and watch as people would rather reply to the 1 line snide remark.

I have often found myself feeling the same way. Sometimes it feels like you need a post count of several thousand to be worthy of attention or reply.

[bornadog]

I have often found myself feeling the same way. Sometimes it feels like you need a post count of several thousand to be worthy of attention or reply.

Did you say something :D

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

I'm here most days but don't want to impose

[WBFC4FFC]

Present Maam!

[G-Mo77]

I guess the point of the thread is to see if it's worth keeping the site going as it is now. Contributions are well down over the last two years and largish portion of our 300 plus members prefer to either just read the content of the site without contributing or if they do it's more in the line of a tweet than a decent discussion.
There are still a good portion of the sites members that make a great effort but I wonder how long they will keep doing the heavy lifting.

Costs to run and maintain the site have increased which is more than okay with a vibrant forum but vastly harder to justify with a quiet one.

I'm running out of options to motivate members to contribute to discussions and may have consider some other options.

Social media has hurt online forums, especially the smaller ones. I run a forum which has turned to a ghost town as of late simply because the topics of interest are discussed in Social Media and a lot choose to use that rather than an online forum.

[The bulldog tragician]

Yes, I'm here too. I really enjoy reading the opinions on Woof and there's a lot of knowledge and passion, but I don't post a lot. I've also noticed less activity and variety of opinion- reflects our less buoyant year perhaps ( I do share the feeling some have expressed that newer or less opinionated posters can get ignored or quickly shut down and that makes me less inclined to post. )

[Eastdog]

I always feel good when fellow posters on here praise some of my thoughts on the club and games when I post.

[LostDoggy]

Here.
I dont post a lot. Being in WA I dont get to many games. The forum provides information I wouldnt usually get access to i.e real life review of VFL performances etc.

I'm going to use the WA excuse as well for not posting as much as i should, which of course, isn't good enough..:)

[whythelongface]

Present - not a huge contributor but do like to put my two cents worth whenever I get the chance.

[dog town]

Still following the forums where possible. Too busy with local footy commitments to post often unfortunately.

[LostDoggy]

Hi guys, a community service request.

It seems a little quiet of late on WOOF. As one of 300+ WOOFERS if you read this thread, can you please post a reply (anything will do). It will only take a few seconds and we can gauge some analysis, it's something like 'role call' I would call it.

Here

[choconmientay]

2015.
Passive member ... probably no point to post here!

[comrade]

Would hate to lose WOOF. It's been a very enjoyable outlet for me for many years.

If you need to raise some funds to keep the lights on GVG, I'd be happy to contribute as I'm sure others would.

[jazzadogs]

Again I'm sure this isn't exactly the point of the thread, but how active is the Bulldogs BF page? I know that when I found Woof I basically haven't looked at it again...is it a general loss of interest in the club, or is it Woof specific?

[GVGjr]

I know that when I found Woof I basically haven't looked at it again...is it a general loss of interest in the club, or is it Woof specific?

From a WOOF perspective I suspect it's more around avenues like Twitter or Face Book are far easier options for so many people to keep updated with the club. Making contributions to forum discussions takes a bit more time and effort than a tweet on Twitter or a thumbs up or like on FB.

When a forum of 300 members only gets 20 to 30 people casting their votes in the Marmo (even after a after a win) shows that the spirit of the members isn't quite there at the moment.

[jazzadogs]

Yes I've certainly been much more prevalent on Twitter this year, however even that has dropped off over the second half of the year.

As others have said, often the only way to get a reaction (as a 'lesser-known' poster) and to get people to reply to you is to make a one-line gibe. It may be because some are more eloquent in their discussion, or that some people know each other outside of the forum, but I know I found it deflating to post a few times and get no response to my posts. Not much you can do about that GVG as I've noticed you are one of the best at acknowledging all comments and trying to engage newer members, but I think it is a legitimate issue.

[bornadog]

Yes I've certainly been much more prevalent on Twitter this year, however even that has dropped off over the second half of the year.

As others have said, often the only way to get a reaction (as a 'lesser-known' poster) and to get people to reply to you is to make a one-line gibe. It may be because some are more eloquent in their discussion, or that some people know each other outside of the forum, but I know I found it deflating to post a few times and get no response to my posts. Not much you can do about that GVG as I've noticed you are one of the best at acknowledging all comments and trying to engage newer members, but I think it is a legitimate issue.

I enjoy reading your posts and apologise if you feel I am one of those that ignore you.

The only reason I have a lot of posts up, is because I run my own business from home and have WOOF on in the background and can check and comment when I am bored. 5 posts a day adds up to alot over 7 years.

[Twodogs]

I want to say sorry to any poster who has felt ignored in the past and want to assure you it's nothing personal. I hope you all keep posting questions.

[Reigning Maddogs]

I'm here however don't post after having my post deleted by an mod that took my initial post out of context and told me to read the forum rules. Wasn't a good start to my posting career here so haven't bothered since. The mod later reinstated my post after an exchange of private messages however have been put off by the experience.

[Eastdog]

I wonder how many woofers would be on if we made the grand final and then won it. I reckon nearly the whole of WOOF would be on for sure.

[Scorlibo]

Yes I've certainly been much more prevalent on Twitter this year, however even that has dropped off over the second half of the year.

As others have said, often the only way to get a reaction (as a 'lesser-known' poster) and to get people to reply to you is to make a one-line gibe. It may be because some are more eloquent in their discussion, or that some people know each other outside of the forum, but I know I found it deflating to post a few times and get no response to my posts. Not much you can do about that GVG as I've noticed you are one of the best at acknowledging all comments and trying to engage newer members, but I think it is a legitimate issue.

It's an interesting point Jazza. As much as we all come here for the latest information surrounding the club, and keep coming back for that reason, to contribute is to really invest in the debate (or, sometimes, in the celebration). I completely concur that when other posters agree with what you're saying it's really nourishing, and encourages more contribution, but (and I consider myself impartial in this, though some mightn't) I don't believe in the existence of some kind of WOOF elite which feeds on itself. In fact, I often see the moderators give positive reinforcement to new members who have said something valuable. Myself, I'm not as likely to do that (maybe I should?) But I really only post when I feel there is an imbalance in the discussion or there is some piece of information/discussion that others have overlooked.

Consistently making little gibes, rather than giving ideas text to breathe, is the best way to get overlooked on the forum. The eyes naturally gravitate towards longer discussion. This is not to lessen the trepidation of new members or infrequent posters, but to those who are apprehensive about making lengthy contributions, my advice is don't be - you will be read, you will be appreciated.


From a WOOF perspective I suspect it's more around avenues like Twitter or Face Book are far easier options for so many people to keep updated with the club. Making contributions to forum discussions takes a bit more time and effort than a tweet on Twitter or a thumbs up or like on FB.

When a forum of 300 members only gets 20 to 30 people casting their votes in the Marmo (even after a after a win) shows that the spirit of the members isn't quite there at the moment.

On BigFooty now they have 'likes'. I don't post there any more but I can see how it would dramatically change the forum landscape. Posters can make their contribution by merely subscribing to another's view whom they agree with. On the other hand, there is the issue that this could discourage people from making proper contributions, and when they do it is for the wrong reasons. Maybe another poster with an active role at BigFooty could comment. It seems to be the forum/socialmedia compromise.

G, I've been on this forum since before leaving school and coming to Melbourne from Canberra, it means as much to me as the club itself. As (our) comrade said, if there is financial concern, then I would be happy to help out where I can.

[boydogs]

Maybe another poster with an active role at BigFooty could comment.

I must have gone to click like on something here then remembered we don't have it 100 times. It's an easy way to let someone know you appreciate their work without cluttering the thread by quoting it and saying so

[GVGjr]

I must have gone to click like on something here then remembered we don't have it 100 times. It's an easy way to let someone know you appreciate their work without cluttering the thread by quoting it and saying so

It's an option but I do think it will replace more contributions and from what I have seen elsewhere can be more of a distraction.
At the moment it's more around the contribution numbers and in particular starting new threads.

[soupman]

It's an option but I do think it will replace more contributions and from what I have seen elsewhere can be more of a distraction.
At the moment it's more around the contribution numbers and in particular starting new threads.

I would be in favour of likes being added. I don't think it would stifle much conversation, we don't really have many posts on here that are just "what he/she said". Usually the following posts either argue against the previous post, or expand on something the post has mentioned. I still think both of those will happen if a like system was implemented.

It's also a good way to make posters feel appreciated. I know I've done some rather big posts in the past to have them either never acknowledged or to see the thread die once I hit the post button and all conversation on that topic cease (presumably because my posts were so comprehensively perfect that they could not be added to or debated). It does make you feel a little like everyone has just ignored it (a possibility nonetheless) but a like system could at least let you know that people did read it and whilst they didn't have much beyond that to contribute it is an acknowledgement of 10 minutes spent furiously typing.

As for why the post count is a bit down atm, I think it's because every topic has been done to death. The only new information every week is who made the side, and even then that isn't too interesting to post about. Theres a reason why posts spike around times like the draft, because all of a sudden there is a plethora of new information about prospective or actual draftees, or rumours about trades. Basically just topics that haven't been spoken about all year (is Gia a good sub/can McCartney coach/do we need a key forward/etc.).

New posters should be encouraged to post, but I don't think there should be a requirement. As long as they log on semiregularly I think they are fine. And I certainly do not only read posts based on the posters prominence. I'm always on the look out for a dodgy opinion I can argue with so I'll read pretty much anything and everything on here.

[hotdog]

Here most days. Its nice to get some news in NSW about my beloved team.

[Murphy'sLore]

I would hate to lose WOOF, too, even though I don't say much and what I do say is usually pretty trite :) As a relative newcomer to the sport, I'm still a bit shaky on the rules, to be honest (not helped by constant changes, thanks AFL…) so I'm not confident to comment on the technicalities.

But I feel I've learned so much here, it's really enhanced my appreciation for the game and its history, and our club of course, and I hugely appreciate those who take the time and trouble to share their opinions and superior knowledge. I wish I had a dollar for every time I've said something clever at the football, which I've stolen from WOOF ;)

[always right]

I would be in favour of likes being added. I don't think it would stifle much conversation, we don't really have many posts on here that are just "what he/she said". Usually the following posts either argue against the previous post, or expand on something the post has mentioned. I still think both of those will happen if a like system was implemented.

It's also a good way to make posters feel appreciated. I know I've done some rather big posts in the past to have them either never acknowledged or to see the thread die once I hit the post button and all conversation on that topic cease (presumably because my posts were so comprehensively perfect that they could not be added to or debated). It does make you feel a little like everyone has just ignored it (a possibility nonetheless) but a like system could at least let you know that people did read it and whilst they didn't have much beyond that to contribute it is an acknowledgement of 10 minutes spent furiously typing.

As for why the post count is a bit down atm, I think it's because every topic has been done to death. The only new information every week is who made the side, and even then that isn't too interesting to post about. Theres a reason why posts spike around times like the draft, because all of a sudden there is a plethora of new information about prospective or actual draftees, or rumours about trades. Basically just topics that haven't been spoken about all year (is Gia a good sub/can McCartney coach/do we need a key forward/etc.).

New posters should be encouraged to post, but I don't think there should be a requirement. As long as they log on semiregularly I think they are fine. And I certainly do not only read posts based on the posters prominence. I'm always on the look out for a dodgy opinion I can argue with so I'll read pretty much anything and everything on here.

I'd just like to acknowledge your post Soupaman. Well articulated....as always.

[jeemak]

If a post isn't acknowledged as appreciated openly by forum members it doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't been read and appreciated by forum members.

Remember, people are more inclined to raise a counter point or engage in a debate openly than they are to provide positive feedback on internet forums.

If you make a well argued and balanced point and it's not openly acknowledged, it's likely that other forum members agree or have very little to contribute in addition to it.

[GVGjr]

I've switched on the likes and thanks option

[Scorlibo]

I've switched on the likes and thanks option

Do we 'like' by clicking the minus sign icon to the top right of the post? Nothing seems to change when I try.

[GVGjr]

Do we 'like' by clicking the minus sign icon to the top right of the post? Nothing seems to change when I try.

There should be an image under each post, when I get home I will check all the settings

[LostDoggy]

I can't see the image. I've noticed Twodogs has liked a few posts, is it something only Mods can see at the moment?

[always right]

Seems to be working for me.

[dadsgirl16]

Present!

I too am a reader rather than poster (but always post my votes in Marmo) and would hate to lose WOOF..I really enjoy the banter and differing views shared on here.

Is there a way of raising some $ that would help???

[Eastdog]

Do we 'like' by clicking the minus sign icon to the top right of the post? Nothing seems to change when I try.

Yeah I'm having the same issue too.

[Twodogs]

I have two little icons squeezed between each post on the bottom left.


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[LostDoggy]

My take,

- In recent times on WOOF it's annoyed me that so many new threads have started that are just peoples random thoughts that could have been addressed - and sat within - existing threads. The amount of times i've logged on and the forum has appeared a mess with new threads that barely address anything, or take away from an existing thread has risen imo in the last 9-12 months.
- Also, someone said it above, and it's on now, but the 'like' is a simple way to acknowledge someone's point. Threads moving because of 'bumping' post with 'i agree' or such-like also messes the place up.
- I've always found this forum a source of knowledge that doesn't exist in such form externally. I've disagreed with people and stuffed on occassion, but i hope this place continues.

If it's co-funding you want Gary et al are you going to pose the question - I assume it's not lose change to keep the place running, but combined it can't amount to much per contributer.

and BTW, if you come here to read, seriously, you don't have to be an ex-player or 3 time coach. Bit of your perspective for your free knowledge gathering hey?

[GVGjr]

I think I have located the issue with the Likes and Thanks options, hopefully a lot more of you can see it now and have that option.

Please don't abuse it by being overly polite. :D It's for the better contributions you think are worth acknowledging.

[The bulldog tragician]

The site is about many things, and I like that it's a broad church ( well a place of worship for many of us). I'm never going to be intensively involved in commentary about drafts and trades; I don't have the knowledge or interest, to me my enthusiasm begins when they pull on the jumper. I like knowing others are going through the crazy roller coaster of supporting this team, I like hearing how we all had our own pathways to barracking for the Dogs ( in utero in my case with a mother who has loved the Dogs since seeing that premiership in only her 3rd game).

WOOF is always the first place I visit after a win, to share the enthusiasm and the conviction that we're on path to a premiership, real soon! And after a loss, to share the doom and gloom that we're on the road to ruin, no good, miles away from success, etc. It's group therapy. I don't say that much but it is another form of connection to the club, so thanks to those that keep it going as you're appreciated more than you know.

[Eastdog]

All good now with the like button.

[LostDoggy]

so thanks to those that keep it going as you're appreciated more than you know.[/QUOTE]

Well said, I'm sure this echo's all our thought. Thanks to the powers at be that run and moderate the site.

[LostDoggy]

I know I'm late but I'd just like to contribute that while I do not post a whole lot, I really appreciate the insightful and passionate views of my fellow woofers. Hopefully the trade and draft period will supply a lot more discussion. And one last thing......The Bont!!:cool:

[Mantis]

The lack of participation from a number of experienced posters (myself included) has meant the discussion on this site has dried up, the fact that we have been very unsuccessful in this period has no doubt been a contributing factor.. It isn't helped when several highly active members have constant slanging matches that denegrade whatever discussion points were being raised... Time to build a bridge or disappear.

[Drunken Bum]

I'm here a lot but have never been a big contributor for a variety of reasons, mostly because as i'm generally on late at night when no-one else is around it's hard to get involved in discussions and someone has usually articulated my thoughts better than what i would have anyway, which makes me happy the like button has been activated as i don't really see the point in quoting a post to inform the person that i liked or agreed with it without contributing anything other than that.
Like a few others i have lost interest in the league itself and without the dogs afl would have lost me forever a while back as i pretty much despise the "competition"
Again like a few others have mentioned, when i did feel the need to contribute i often got no response so there ended my part in the discussion.
Also in spite of my love for Footscray i have been going to less and less games since around 2000, firstly because of work, then being overseas and now because i am away most weekends, so by the time i have downloaded and watched the game most points of interest to me have already well and truly been discussed.
One of my small bugbears is the whole keep on topic thing, i think threads should be able to evolve and take on a life of their own, a few times i have seen this happen only for people to be told to stay on topic, i understand that there are Thread titles for a reason but i don't know maybe i just like a little chaos and following wherever it leads to, i've seen a few interesting conversations that i would get involved in get shut down because they strayed off topic, also i think it is inconsistently moderated upon sometimes where some convo's are allowed to stray and others aren't, i'd prefer to see the conversation steered back by posters and moderators without just having just shutting down alternate directions completely. I do understand the reasoning though and that i'm probably in the minority here.
I must admit that some of the sniping that goes on between certain posters becomes a bit tiresome and old.

All that being said i do love woof and the information that i receive here and the mostly intelligent discussions that i get to witness and all too infrequently participate in and i really do appreciate nearly everyone's contributions, certain posters in particular. Apologies for not contributing more i shall try to participate a little more in future. Also more than happy to contribute a little to operating costs if need be, i have gotten many hours of enjoyment from woof over the years so it would be money well spent.
Thanks to all involved in starting and keeping running such a valuable wealth of information and entertainment, whether you be involved directly or just a contributor, it's much appreciated from me.
Cheers
DB

[chef]

One of my small bugbears is the whole keep on topic thing, i think threads should be able to evolve and take on a life of their own, a few times i have seen this happen only for people to be told to stay on topic, i understand that there are Thread titles for a reason but i don't know maybe i just like a little chaos and following wherever it leads to, i've seen a few interesting conversations that i would get involved in get shut down because they strayed off topic, also i think it is inconsistently moderated upon sometimes where some convo's are allowed to stray and others aren't, i'd prefer to see the conversation steered back by posters and moderators without just having just shutting down alternate directions completely. I do understand the reasoning though and that i'm probably in the minority here.

I must admit that some of the sniping that goes on between certain posters becomes a bit tiresome and old.



Yeah the keep on topic thing annoys me too. I'm posting on a few different forum and this one seems the only one with a strict keep on topic policy, it would make this place a lot more enjoyable if things were left to evolve(as well as stimulate more activity).

And yep the sniping is sad on here at times and the saddest thing is some who are doing it are leaders and senior posters who should be leading by example rather than making others feel uncomfortable and post less.

[Before I Die]

Hello all,

I am a regular reader and irregular poster. Unfortunately the loss of some senior posters has also led to a loss of inside information which was one of this forum's great strengths. Nonetheless, there are still many interesting discussions that take place. My personal bugbears are, unnecessary sniping, the tendency of some posters to interpret contrary opinions as personal attacks, and the tendency of some posters to consistently use the term 'some posters' in a superior and all-knowing manner,.....oops!

[GVGjr]

One of my small bugbears is the whole keep on topic thing, i think threads should be able to evolve and take on a life of their own, a few times i have seen this happen only for people to be told to stay on topic, i understand that there are Thread titles for a reason but i don't know maybe i just like a little chaos and following wherever it leads to, i've seen a few interesting conversations that i would get involved in get shut down because they strayed off topic, also i think it is inconsistently moderated upon sometimes where some convo's are allowed to stray and others aren't, i'd prefer to see the conversation steered back by posters and moderators without just having just shutting down alternate directions completely. I do understand the reasoning though and that i'm probably in the minority here.


Threads are taken off topic all the time, the ones where the thread starter has gone out of their way to set-up a specific topic of discussion rather than a general one will more than likely have one of the mods team asking people to get the thread back on track. In my opinion, we owe it to the thread starter because we don't want the same current conversations moved from thread to thread.
Chat rooms don't have threads and just have an ongoing chat and it's similar to Twitter and their tweets which have limited volumes. Discussion forums by nature are organised discussion into various topics and threads.

I'm not having a dig but the last thread you started here was 5 years ago. If you were like a few others here who go out of they way to drive discussions then perhaps you might appreciate why we try to honor the thread starter who had put in that extra effort and was genuinely trying to discuss a topic of interest to him/her with other forum members.

I get that it's a minor bugbear for you but it's also frustrating to people who start the threads and see them derailed.



I must admit that some of the sniping that goes on between certain posters becomes a bit tiresome and old.


It's a good point you raise but feel free to use the 'report a post' option if you think it's not adding value or contact me directly and we will see what we can do.

I see this as an important thread for the site and while I can't speak for Bulldogtragic, who started the thread, my understanding is that he primarily wanted to check the level of interest in the site by the forum members.

I've also pointed out that if we don't have sufficient interest from the forum members then maybe it's time to shut it down or modify it so that it caters for the members that really want it. There is a variety of options for people to keep up to date with the Western Bulldogs and WOOF is just a small part of what is on offer.

Now at risk of alienating people and asking to get the thread back on track, if people have some grievances, forum behavioral requests or some ideas to improve things feel free to contact me directly. This is not really the thread to do that.

I'm using this thread to see if there is some genuine interest in having the site adding more to it's current seven years of providing an avenue for people to discuss the Bulldogs. I'd rate the interest so far as lukewarm so I'm keen to hear if others want the forum up and running next year.

[Before I Die]

Now at risk of alienating people and asking to get the thread back on track, if people have some grievances, forum behavioral requests or some ideas to improve things feel free to contact me directly. This is not really the thread to do that.

I'm using this thread to see if there is some genuine interest in having the site adding more to it's current seven years of providing an avenue for people to discuss the Bulldogs. I'd rate the interest so far as lukewarm so I'm keen to hear if others want the forum up and running next year.

As my join date indicates, I have been visiting here for a number of years and I keep coming back. I certainly hope the site continues and I appreciate the time and effort, and I am sure in some cases, expense, needed to make this happen. I am unlikely to become a prolific poster, but i will endeavour to become less of a spectator and more of a participant.

[GVGjr]

I am unlikely to become a prolific poster, but i will endeavour to become less of a spectator and more of a participant.

I often say to new members, we don't expect war and peace from people but we are also not just a news service. If we have enough people willing to participate in some discussions and start the occasional thread then it makes the site relevant and gives people a reason to log on frequently.

[Topdog]

I'm on less than I used to be. With a young family and working a 24/7 shift I barely get time to watch games let alone get down to the ground to watch.

[MrMahatma]

G'day.

Don't post as often as used to because the wife and I have had 2 kids on the last 2.5 yrs. Work is pretty busy and I travel a lot for work. I rarely look at woof on anything other than an iPhone and find posting more than 2 lines cumbersome on the phone.

[The Underdog]

G'day.

Don't post as often as used to because the wife and I have had 2 kids on the last 2.5 yrs. Work is pretty busy and I travel a lot for work. I rarely look at woof on anything other than an iPhone and find posting more than 2 lines cumbersome on the phone.

I find that also. I've often started a reply then gotten shat off with typing on an iPhone and given up.

[soupman]

I'm using this thread to see if there is some genuine interest in having the site adding more to it's current seven years of providing an avenue for people to discuss the Bulldogs.

This is easily my most visited and participated in site. Unlike many other forums I have read it generally has informative, insightful and interesting conversation.

I am in full favour of this site continuing as long as possible.

[GVGjr]

This is easily my most visited and participated in site. Unlike many other forums I have read it generally has informative, insightful and interesting conversation.

I am in full favour of this site continuing as long as possible.

Thanks Soupaman. As I have pointed out the problem is mainly around the fact that we have dwindling participation in few area's like contributions to thread discussions and members being prepared to start threads and encourage others.
For a discussion forum to remain relevant, and especially a forum that is primarily focused on an AFL side, we just can't keep relying on a few to maintain the momentum.

I'm trying to get a gauge if people genuinely want the site to continue so I appreciate your support.

[Happy Days]

I missed this thread initially but I'm still here, which I realise is kind of meta.

WOOF is still a great forum for discussion but the sniping is getting really, really annoying. And it isn't really fair to compare participation levels from 2008-11 to now, for obvious reasons.

At least Jerry's gone.

[Daughter of the West]

I'm a bit of a latecomer (been overseas for the last two weeks), but present!

Much like Murphy's Lore, I don't know much about football in the technical sense and so feel unqualified to comment on a lot of topics. However, I read almost everything and am proud to say that keeping up with Woof means I can have a reasonable discussion about my beloved doggies with the fellas in a pretty footy mad workplace, all without sound like too much of a numpty.

I would genuinely be disappointed if Woof weren't to exist anymore, if only for my own selfish reasons. It's my first point of call for any Bulldogs related news and definitely the place where I've learnt the most about our game. And besides, what would a grand final be without Rocco's world famous Norm Smith medal sweep? ;)