Bulldogs “Talls of Shame”

[Dancin' Douggy]

There should be a separate side room in the bulldogs Hall of Fame reserved for the…. ‘Talls of Shame’.

A dimly lit, quiet reflective little alcove dedicated to the horrors of trading in mediocre talls. Carved in a plain typeface, in white marble, with an eternal candle burning, will be the names of those who have come before. Those who have arrived, weary and downtrodden from distant clubs. Those who have had little or no impact on our perpetual struggle.

When trade time comes around, the recruiting staff will be made to spend a half an hour in there in quiet reflection before chasing down any fringe talls from other teams. And make them think twice before chasing players who are in the middle of an ‘out of character’ hot streak. Players who are flavour of the month.
(Remember how hot John Butcher was there for a while?)

Anyway, here are the names to be forever etched in the hallowed walls of the Bulldogs……………. ‘TALLS OF SHAME’

(respectful silence please)

James Cook
Kingsley Hunter
Trent Bartlett
Simon Minton Connell
Daniel Bandy
Allen Jakovich
Aaron James
Adam Morgan
Tom Davidson
Lochlan Veale
Jade Rawlings
Travis Baird
Andrew McDougall.
Ed Barlow

The question now is this.………
Would the name Levi Casboult end up in the Hall of Fame?
Or the ‘Talls of Shame’.

I’m not sure.

[always right]

Can someone remind me what happened to James Cook? Did he retire or was he delisted? Had some ability but no application...and possibily the worst ever peroxide hair colour in VFL/AFL history.

[bornadog]

Can someone remind me what happened to James Cook? Did he retire or was he delisted? Had some ability but no application...and possibily the worst ever peroxide hair colour in VFL/AFL history.

Offloaded in 1999 in PSD to Melbourne. Played 3 games, had an ankle injury and retired.

[always right]

Offloaded in 1999 in PSD to Melbourne. Played 3 games, had an ankle injury and retired.

Thanks...I'm tipping he would be about 130kg nowadays.

[bornadog]

Thanks...I'm tipping he would be about 130kg nowadays.

:D - no doubt

[ledge]

I think your a bit rough on Cook and Minton Connell ,I think Both won our goal kicking with decent amounts.

[always right]

I think your a bit rough on Cook and Minton Connell ,I think Both won our goal kicking with decent amounts.

Agree.....both played some very good games for us. Cook was the most disappointing and we only really got one decent season from him. Minton Connell was an honest player with an accurate kick for goal......but he had a pathological desire to take every mark on his chest.

[ledge]

Agree.....both played some very good games for us. Cook was the most disappointing and we only really got one decent season from him. Minton Connell was an honest player with an accurate kick for goal......but he had a pathological desire to take every mark on his chest.

Jones is a bit like that.

[LostDoggy]

5 Tasmanians in that list. Disappointingly high representation in the 'talls of shame' from my old home state. (i always had a bit of a soft spot for big trent).

[LostDoggy]

Upon research i didn't realise Allen Jakovich was 187cm.

Does that qualify as early-mid 90's 'tall'?

[craigsahibee]

I thought Adam Morgan's first few games of 2006 were promising. His importance to our structure far outweighed his possession output.

Surely we can find room for Tim Walsh on that list.

[Greystache]

I thought Adam Morgan's first few games of 2006 were promising. His importance to our structure far outweighed his possession output.

Surely we can find room for Tim Walsh on that list.

On (lack of) talent alone he would. Everyone else on that list is a recycled dud however.

[bornadog]

How the hell can we have Veale on the list :D he didn't even crack a game :D

[The Pie Man]

6 goals in a prelim, only to get reported (& subsequently suspended) and miss a sitter early in the last that could've sealed it....only James Cook.

I remember a radio interview with him after he got injured at Melbourne, moaned about how getting hurt again was par for the course for him...even as a young guy that couldn't commit to what to have for breakfast, I thought he sounded mentally weak.

[Mofra]

Hargreaves?
Talented kid, liked a smoke

[Greystache]

Hargreaves?
Talented kid, liked a smoke

Where did we trade him from?

[Guido]

Add Scott Bassett, Pask. Although more a 3rd tall, I'd add Welsh if failing when it counts (2 kicks in a prelim) gets you on the Talls of Shame list.

Add the plays/offers we've made?

Mark Bolton
Damon White
Tim Boyle
Ash Hansen (a year before retirement)

Under this footy department:

Matthew Bate (Offered the Talia pick)
Chris Dawes (Offered $2mil and the picks that secured Hrovat and Stevens)
Scott Gumbleton
Setanta O'Hailpin (?)

And these are just the talls. They've been just as many, if not even more trades/plays for fringe, amounted to nothing mids. It is a disease.

[bornadog]

Hargreaves?
Talented kid, liked a smoke

What about Daniel Hargraves - 192cm played 38 games for us.

[LostDoggy]

Add Scott Bassett, Pask. Although more a 3rd tall, I'd add Welsh if failing when it counts (2 kicks in a prelim) gets you on the Talls of Shame list.

Add the plays we've made?

Mark Bolton
Damon White
Tim Boyle

Under this footy department:

Matthew Bate (Offered the Talia pick)
Chris Dawes (Offered $2mil and the picks that secured Hrovat and Stevens)
Scott Gumbleton
Setanta O'Hailpin (?)

And these are just the talls. They've been just as many, if not even more trades for/plays at fringe, amounted to nothing mids.

Who was Damon White?

[Guido]

Who was Damon White?
Exactly.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/damon-white-in-talks-with-the-bulldogs.383797/

Imagine having involved McMahon in a trade for him rather than opting for Pick 19 from Richmond (Ward -> McRrae)

[Hotdog60]

Does Shane Loveless qualify.

[LostDoggy]

I know its for blokes we traded in but...

The bloke they called Biscuits who is retiring this year surely gets on the list? T Williams come on down.

Does Jarrad Grant count as a tall?

And finally my personal fave, Cam Wight...

[LostDoggy]

It's really got to stop doesn't it. You can't make jam out of shit, and as the above names show, we constantly use inferior ingredients.

We should never trade 1st/2nd rounders for a tall forward beyond the age of 22. Especially if they haven't found their niche elsewhere - that might be counter-intuitive though.

I feel for Jon Patton, but I’m so glad this didn't eventuate as he was already damaged goods, and the rest is now history.

[bornadog]

Did anyone hear Macca talking about tall forwards today on SEN during the rising star broadcast?

He said, in reality there are only a few superstar forwards in The AFL at anyone time like Franklin, Roughead, Hawkins. He said the way Football is played now you are constantly kicking to a contest, so what he is looking for is some one that can clunk a mark every now and then in the forward line, or bring the ball to ground.

[ledge]

Williams ? Due to injury of course

[Dancin' Douggy]

What about Daniel Hargraves - 192cm played 38 games for us.

Hargraves was drafted, not traded in. That's another annex we'll be building in the next renovation.

[Webby]

Paul Dooley
Peter Street
Alastair Ford
Richard Cousins

[boydogs]

Minton-Connell was alright, as were Crameri & Hall. Austin wasn't a trade but was second hand

[Sedat]

Thread needs more Ben Harrison

[kruder]

Oh no Levi must be on the agenda then! Get ready to add him to the talls of shame list! Ace Cordy will be added soon enough.

Can anyone remember watching Tim Walsh in the under 18's? How could he have turned out so bad?

[1eyedog]

Grgic and Justin Charles? It's a long list.

[Happy Days]

I'm a younger guy so I only know most of these guys suck by their reputation preceding them and a few snide (not a bad thing !) comments here and there.

I'd like to know why exactly these guys suck? What made Hargraves such a dickhead? Why was Harrison so bad? What exactly *did* Alan Jakovic steal from people's lockers? Tell me more please guys!

[Dry Rot]

Thread needs more Ben Harrison

TwoDogs favourite Bulldog player of all time. I hear he still has a poster of him in his bedroom.

Nick Bruton and Simon Cox?

[bulldogtragic]

Sedat Sir, Brad Nicholson. David Round. Cameron Wight. Streeta. Campbell. The Tin Man. Sexton.

[bull79]

I believe Bartlett & Harrison did the best of there ability? Played a role at that time?

Currently Cordy & Jones are pathetic? Stop persisting & start hunting for that power forward!

[bornadog]

Currently Cordy & Jones are pathetic? Stop persisting & start hunting for that power forward!

Can't agree they are pathetic - pretty strong words, and I know the coach wouldn't agree with that.

[bulldogtragic]

Can't agree they are pathetic - pretty strong words, and I know the coach wouldn't agree with that.

Concur. Seeing Cordy last week I'm more confident than any time in the last 2 years with Ayce. Jones is inconsistent. Wouldn't throw that word around myself.

[Mofra]

Concur. Seeing Cordy last week I'm more confident than any time in the last 2 years with Ayce.
It was one of the most dominant performances from a ruckman I've ever seen at VFL level. He owned the centre of the ground at times.

[bulldogtragic]

It was one of the most dominant performances from a ruckman I've ever seen at VFL level. He owned the centre of the ground at times.

It was great to watch wasn't it? I was wondering where the aggression would come from and from who. Seeing 'Angry Ayce' when the game was up for the winning was a window to why the club seem more bullish on him than me (and others). I hope we see it again at North Port Oval.

[Bulldog4life]

It was great to watch wasn't it? I was wondering where the aggression would come from and from who. Seeing 'Angry Ayce' when the game was up for the winning was a window to why the club seem more bullish on him than me (and others). I hope we see it again at North Port Oval.

With Campbell back in the side it will be interesting to see how much rucking game time Ayce gets.

[josie]

Jarrad Boumann
Wayde Skipper

[bulldogtragic]

Jarrad Boumann
Wayde Skipper

Josie you deserve a freakin medal. How could we overlook the Bou? Just about the sealer.

[josie]

G'day BT

My recollection is Boumann never played a senior's match. Am I right?

[bulldogtragic]

G'day BT

My recollection is Boumann never played a senior's match. Am I right?

Oh, good question. I will say no, but some NAB matches and a few with Hawthorn after they re-drafted him.

[Sedat]

I don't believe Nathan Saunders has been mentioned yet

[Remi Moses]

Daniel Hargraves was a very talented cricketer as well.
Worked with a guy from Coldstream who described Daniel as a D*******

[bornadog]

I don't believe Nathan Saunders has been mentioned yet

Come on he had one good game :D

[The bulldog tragician]

Kieran Mcguiness.
Jon Ballantyne.
Stuart Wigney.

[Twodogs]

Emmett Dunne.

[The bulldog tragician]

I once heard Terry Wallace, then a reserves coach, tell a supporters function that he believed Daniel Hargreaves was capable of being the next Dermot Brereton. I'm not sure if that tells us that Plough wasn't a great judge of talent, or reflects how much young Danny frittered his away.

[bulldogtragic]

I once heard Terry Wallace, then a reserves coach, tell a supporters function that he believed Daniel Hargreaves was capable of being the next Dermot Brereton. I'm not sure if that tells us that Plough wasn't a great judge of talent, or reflects how much young Danny frittered his away.

Didn't Hargreaves go on to dominate SANFL?

[Twodogs]

I once heard Terry Wallace, then a reserves coach, tell a supporters function that he believed Daniel Hargreaves was capable of being the next Dermot Brereton. I'm not sure if that tells us that Plough wasn't a great judge of talent, or reflects how much young Danny frittered his away.


I think it shows how much he frittered his talent away if Terry was willing to say that. Danny could seriously play the game.

[bulldogtragic]

O'Shea. I really, really liked Stevie Tiller, but he qualifies for the list.

Jade Rawlings anyone?

[Twodogs]

Terry DeKoning.

[Dry Rot]

Terry DeKoning.

Do you still have your prized poster of Ben Harrison?

[Remi Moses]

Terry DeKoning.

Ding ding . We have a winner;)
What an appalling footballer he was

Mumbles Taylor ?

[Twodogs]

Do you still have your prized poster of Ben Harrison?

Autographed and in pride of place on the wall of the pool room. :D

[stefoid]

Patrick Wiggins?
Jesse Wells?

you guys aren't trying hard enuf

[Rocket Science]

Patrick bloody Bowden

[always right]

Neil Bristow
David Allday
Chris Hansen (actually he wasn't the worst play for us)

[Twodogs]

Neil Bristow
David Allday
Chris Hansen (actually he wasn't the worst play for us)


I thought about Chris Hansen but thought he played some good footy for us.

David Allday is a good get



Tim Harrington.

[The bulldog tragician]

Ben Sexton.

[Sedat]

Brenton Vilcens

[Maddog37]

Ilia Grgic?

[1eyedog]

Ilia Grgic?

Said him along with Justin Charles :)

[bulldogtragic]

I know someone recently said Jesse Wells, but i'm saying it again, Jesse Wells. Jesse Wells. Jesse Wells.

[azabob]

How quickly we forget.

Matthew Panos.

[azabob]

Josie you deserve a freakin medal. How could we overlook the Bou? Just about the sealer.

I remember some posters going into melt down when the hawks picked him up and then he actually got picked.

[bulldogtragic]

I remember some posters going into melt down when the hawks picked him up and then he actually got picked.

I'm not sure which aspect of all of that is funniest.

[LostDoggy]

Jon Ballantyne
Andrew Nichol
David Round

[azabob]

Tom Hill (former GWS player).

[bulldogtragic]

How quickly we forget.

Matthew Panos.

You're going to get in trouble with Eastie for that. Are you still backing him in Eastie?

[Bulldog4life]

Max Crowe. Was a good player for Essendon & St.Kilda but only played a dozen games with us.

[bulldogtragic]

Bandy played one ripping year. Outside of that pretty lean. Not sure if he qualifies.

[Twodogs]

Max Crowe. Was a good player for Essendon & St.Kilda but only played a dozen games with us.


He had a pretty unfortunate injury in his last game with us that left him with no desire to continue playing football. I can't remember how but he lost one of his testicles. Maybe he ruptured it?

[Sedat]

Bandy played one ripping year. Outside of that pretty lean. Not sure if he qualifies.
He played a ripping half-year. Then he returned to type.

Ed Barlow. Actually he wasn't a tall of shame, he was the only man capable of beating Crossy in a time trial. Cheesy's sublime highlights reel from a handful of games in 2011 should forever exempt him from tall of shame status :D

[chef]

Danny Del're.

Though he did tease us with one season.

[azabob]

John Georgirardies (spelling)?

[LostDoggy]

Danny Del're.

Bit harsh IMO

[chef]

Bit harsh IMO

No denying he had a great season for us(92), but that was about it. He did tease us with his ability like a lot of players in this thread.

[Sedat]

No denying he had a great season for us(92), but that was about it. He did tease us with his ability like a lot of players in this thread.
Pretty sure he won our goal kicking in 1993 as well.

[bornadog]

No denying he had a great season for us(92), but that was about it. He did tease us with his ability like a lot of players in this thread.

Off the mark here Chef. Kicked 70 goals in 1992 including 13 in the finals - bag of 8 in the qualifying - Bulldog record in finals.

[chef]

Pretty sure he won our goal kicking in 1993 as well.

he did with 36 goals

[chef]

Off the mark here Chef. Kicked 70 goals in 1992 including 13 in the finals - bag of 8 in the qualifying - Bulldog record in finals.
As I said there's no denying he had a great season in 92, but that was about it.

Each to there own but if Cook and Loaf and guys like that are in this thread I don't see why Delre wouldn't be too. I guess it shows how desolate its been for us for KPF's.

[LostDoggy]

John Georgirardies (spelling)?

You started like a house on fire, then fell away quickly ;)

[LostDoggy]

Hopefully Aaron Edwards can join our H.O.S tragic history

[Twodogs]

Hopefully Aaron Edwards can join our H.O.S tragic history

We can put him with the with Allan Edwards and make a matched set.

[Dogbelly]

...so I register for this site and see Dancin Douggy. Could only be one person! Hi, Dogbelly has arrived!

[Dancin' Douggy]

Welcome dogbelly. You will love it here!

[always right]

John Georgirardies (spelling)?

He was a tall?

[Remi Moses]

No Geogiadis was a half forward .
Very much a WA type player, as in liked the open spaces.
Not much pace either

[Bulldog4life]

In the mid 90's Sam Phillipou was a major disappointment for us. Came over from S.A. with a big reputation.

http://www.coodabeens.com.au/samp.html

[always right]

Lynton Fitzpatrick who KB declared at the time, would become a star.

[Webby]

I remember Lynton Fitzpatrick and Phil OKeefe playing senior footy for us in '89 and thinking "We're doomed, here!"

- I was nearly right!

[Twodogs]

I remember Lynton Fitzpatrick and Phil OKeefe playing senior footy for us in '89 and thinking "We're doomed, here!"

- I was nearly right!


And then Chris Grant lands in our lap.

[Doc26]

James Mulligan
Luke Penny

[Guido]

I think a distinction needs to be made - the original post was clearly for recycled fringe players traded/drafted in, not young draftees/rookies.

Any club can list hundreds of failed draftees picked up at 17/18 and didn't make the cut, and that includes the best managed lists in the comp. You make an assessment on a really underdeveloped kid, there's hundreds of factors that that influence whether or not they make it (particularly with talls), it can go either way.

However not many (if any) clubs can go through dozens upon dozens of failed recycled players who were almost guaranteed to fail, and then continue with that dimwitted policy when history gives you a clear indication that it will fail.

The clear majority of those pick-ups in the opening post were blokes would have originally been rated at between 20-35 on their respective lists or otherwise were delisted (rated 35+) - this is after 3-4-5-6-7 years in the system.

Why our footy department, and it's actually not just one, but multiple footy departments that have overseen list management, have all had this ingrained culture/diseased hope that these players will suddenly make huge advances in talent once they move across. This thinking that a move to our club will somehow see these average players make a magical transormation, not only into slightly better fringe players (specifically recruiting in the hope a player jumps from 25-30 on a typical AFL list standard to 20-25 on an AFL list standard is pretty stupid) but actually someone you can depend on in a final (ranked 10-18 in a really solid list) is mind-boggling.

Is every recruit picked up thinking this next one will be the exception that proves the rule? It ain't going to happen, and yet still these stupid offers keep getting made. "Hey! Lucky we dodged that bullet with Bate! Delisted 11 months later haha! Really could have ended up with egg on our faces! LOL ... ok, so let's talk Gumbleton."

Those who don't learn from history are deemed to repeat it, the definition of insanity is to make the same mistake over and over again and expect different outcomes .. yada yada yada. But our last 5 coaches have thought that they're smarter than history or have otherwise been oblivious to it.

[Guido]

And thought of a couple more fringe players we had cracks at: Courtney Johns (from memory Essendon wouldn't release him), and if he had have bothered to turn up to training, Karl Norman was another in line to be picked up.

[SlimPickens]

Luke Penny

Luke Penny leaving the club still really pisses me off. Not sure why, just does.

[bornadog]

Luke Penny leaving the club still really pisses me off. Not sure why, just does.

He was enticed by a Saints board member half way during that year but didn't say anything till the end.

[Doc26]

Luke Penny leaving the club still really pisses me off. Not sure why, just does.

I had high hopes for Penny, and like you, I to was very disappointed the way it played out. I mean really, why St.Kilda ? What did they have as a Club that we didn't ? It did irk me that they appeared at the time to get one over us, which they then followed up a number of years later by somewhat forcing our hand to use our first round selection on Ayce.

A shame, as it turned out to be a failured venture, with Penny never reaching the potential we saw in him at the time.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I think a distinction needs to be made - the original post was clearly for recycled fringe players traded/drafted in, not young draftees/rookies.

Any club can list hundreds of failed draftees picked up at 17/18 and didn't make the cut, and that includes the best managed lists in the comp. You make an assessment on a really underdeveloped kid, there's hundreds of factors that that influence whether or not they make it (particularly with talls), it can go either way.

However not many (if any) clubs can go through dozens upon dozens of failed recycled players who were almost guaranteed to fail, and then continue with that dimwitted policy when history gives you a clear indication that it will fail.

The clear majority of those pick-ups in the opening post were blokes would have originally been rated at between 20-35 on their respective lists or otherwise were delisted (rated 35+) - this is after 3-4-5-6-7 years in the system.

Why our footy department, and it's actually not just one, but multiple footy departments that have overseen list management, have all had this ingrained culture/diseased hope that these players will suddenly make huge advances in talent once they move across. This thinking that a move to our club will somehow see these average players make a magical transormation, not only into slightly better fringe players (specifically recruiting in the hope a player jumps from 25-30 on a typical AFL list standard to 20-25 on an AFL list standard is pretty stupid) but actually someone you can depend on in a final (ranked 10-18 in a really solid list) is mind-boggling.

Is every recruit picked up thinking this next one will be the exception that proves the rule? It ain't going to happen, and yet still these stupid offers keep getting made. "Hey! Lucky we dodged that bullet with Bate! Delisted 11 months later haha! Really could have ended up with egg on our faces! LOL ... ok, so let's talk Gumbleton."

Those who don't learn from history are deemed to repeat it, the definition of insanity is to make the same mistake over and over again and expect different outcomes .. yada yada yada. But our last 5 coaches have thought that they're smarter than history or have otherwise been oblivious to it.

Hallelujiah Guido. You have summed up my thread better than I could have myself.

[LostDog]

Paul Dooley

[azabob]

And thought of a couple more fringe players we had cracks at: Courtney Johns (from memory Essendon wouldn't release him), and if he had have bothered to turn up to training, Karl Norman was another in line to be picked up.

Was Norman a tall forward? Didn't something untoward happen to him by one of our players ?

[Happy Days]

Was Norman a tall forward? Didn't something untoward happen to him by one of our players ?

Him and Libba would get on REAL well.

[mighty_west]

Michael West

[Bulldog Revolution]

I had high hopes for Penny, and like you, I to was very disappointed the way it played out. I mean really, why St.Kilda ? What did they have as a Club that we didn't ? It did irk me that they appeared at the time to get one over us, which they then followed up a number of years later by somewhat forcing our hand to use our first round selection on Ayce.

A shame, as it turned out to be a failured venture, with Penny never reaching the potential we saw in him at the time.

There were suggestions at the time that he'd been a bit of a whipping boy for Nathan Brown and didnt like it - not sure if that was true

But it was a surprise trade, but then his retirement with the Saints was also a surprise on them

[Happy Days]

Shut it down?

Shut it down.

[LostDoggy]

Luke Penny

[merantau]

I think your a bit rough on Cook and Minton Connell ,I think Both won our goal kicking with decent amounts.
Agree. James Cook was good for us but stupidly got himself rubbed out by clocking North's Scott in last game of the season before the finals. Minton-Connell also gave good service for a guy who couldn't mark above his head to any great extent.

[merantau]

I believe Bartlett & Harrison did the best of there ability? Played a role at that time?

Currently Cordy & Jones are pathetic? Stop persisting & start hunting for that power forward!
I've gotta go in to bat for bartlett and Harrison too. Bartlett plated a major role in us beating Carlton at Princes's Park when he booted five. He was courageous. Saw him pole-axed early in his career at the Bears. He looked like death warmed up when they got him to his feet. I thought they were gunna call for the screen. No, Bartlett was Ok by me. Ditto Harrison - a good, ordinary footballer, as Captain Blood would say.

[merantau]

Luke Penny
Yes, Luke Penney. Promised us New York, delivered South Kensington (when it still played host to the skin sheds)

[merantau]

We can put him with the with Allan Edwards and make a matched set.
What a tragedy we didn't get Alan Edwards when he was young. He could really play. We got a bloke who needed a pole vault to get over the scar tissue on his knees.

[Twodogs]

What a tragedy we didn't get Alan Edwards when he was young. He could really play. We got a bloke who needed a pole vault to get over the scar tissue on his knees.

It was a tragedy. You could see the talent and what his instincts told him to do but his battered body just wouldn't let him do it.

[ledge]

I played with Allan (butch) when he retired from AFL and he was so gifted, his nephew Shane Obree had a good career but his son Jake was injury prone , didn't last long at the Blues , his other son is coach at Darley now and the whole family are there.

[Jeanette54]

TwoDogs favourite Bulldog player of all time. I hear he still has a poster of him in his bedroom.



I always knew that TwoDogs was a man of good judgement. I still have a red Robodog jumper signed by Ben, sourced from a bulldog auction.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

Am I allowed to say Peter Street? Could have been another Spider Burton

[anfo27]

I've gotta go in to bat for bartlett and Harrison too. Bartlett plated a major role in us beating Carlton at Princes's Park when he booted five. He was courageous. Saw him pole-axed early in his career at the Bears. He looked like death warmed up when they got him to his feet. I thought they were gunna call for the screen. No, Bartlett was Ok by me. Ditto Harrison - a good, ordinary footballer, as Captain Blood would say.

Have to question your judgement here. Trent Bartlett would be the biggest hack ever to wear the bulldogs colours. He did have heart, i'll give him that but he did not have an ounce of footballing ability.

[merantau]

Have to question your judgement here. Trent Bartlett would be the biggest hack ever to wear the bulldogs colours. He did have heart, i'll give him that but he did not have an ounce of footballing ability.
Anyone who kicks five goals in a game of football MUST have some ability, assuming he hasn't taken the bell out of the ball pre-match. Biggest hack for mine was Jayde Rawlings. He LOST us games with his below woeful performance when kicking for goal. He brought with him a level of patheticism not seen since the French threw in the towel on the Western Front in 1915. I don't know what he was on the day he kicked seven but whoever brewed it up must have lost the recipe. Bartlett, no matter what his flaws could never be accused of losing us games because of his woeful kicking for goal. Another one, who lost us a game (against St Kilda, whom I have a healthy dislike for, was Murray Rance. Missed a sitter from 30 metres out deep in red time. When the pressure was on he found himself in acqua profunda. You can draw your own conclusions as to its source but the colour was yellow.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Thought it was the right time to dust this thread off for the silly season again to remind us all...............lest we forget.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I think a distinction needs to be made - the original post was clearly for recycled fringe players traded/drafted in, not young draftees/rookies.

Any club can list hundreds of failed draftees picked up at 17/18 and didn't make the cut, and that includes the best managed lists in the comp. You make an assessment on a really underdeveloped kid, there's hundreds of factors that that influence whether or not they make it (particularly with talls), it can go either way.

However not many (if any) clubs can go through dozens upon dozens of failed recycled players who were almost guaranteed to fail, and then continue with that dimwitted policy when history gives you a clear indication that it will fail.

The clear majority of those pick-ups in the opening post were blokes would have originally been rated at between 20-35 on their respective lists or otherwise were delisted (rated 35+) - this is after 3-4-5-6-7 years in the system.

Why our footy department, and it's actually not just one, but multiple footy departments that have overseen list management, have all had this ingrained culture/diseased hope that these players will suddenly make huge advances in talent once they move across. This thinking that a move to our club will somehow see these average players make a magical transormation, not only into slightly better fringe players (specifically recruiting in the hope a player jumps from 25-30 on a typical AFL list standard to 20-25 on an AFL list standard is pretty stupid) but actually someone you can depend on in a final (ranked 10-18 in a really solid list) is mind-boggling.

Is every recruit picked up thinking this next one will be the exception that proves the rule? It ain't going to happen, and yet still these stupid offers keep getting made. "Hey! Lucky we dodged that bullet with Bate! Delisted 11 months later haha! Really could have ended up with egg on our faces! LOL ... ok, so let's talk Gumbleton."

Those who don't learn from history are deemed to repeat it, the definition of insanity is to make the same mistake over and over again and expect different outcomes .. yada yada yada. But our last 5 coaches have thought that they're smarter than history or have otherwise been oblivious to it.

And this post summed up my original intentions exactly. Their almost needs to be a little sub alcove within the TALLS OF SHAME for the bullets dodged.

Bate
Gumbleton
Dawes
Casboult

There's 4 already

[LostDoggy]

Does Ayce qualify?

[Ghost Dog]

And this post summed up my original intentions exactly. Their almost needs to be a little sub alcove within the TALLS OF SHAME for the bullets dodged.

Bate
Gumbleton
Dawes
Casboult

There's 4 already

*slaps forehead* I forgot! We did make a serious play for Gumbleton didn't we? What a great let thru to the keeper that was.
Dawes is a hard one to judge, because he's in such a team of garden gnomes. His consistancy wasn't great at pies but had a few good games.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Does Ayce qualify?

Nope, wasn't "traded in" ... but he belongs in some form of tall hall of shame given we used our first round pick on him and he lasted 8? years on our list!

[F'scary]

Nope, wasn't "traded in" ... but he belongs in some form of tall hall of shame given we used our first round pick on him and he lasted 8? years on our list!

8 years for 27 forgettable games.

[LostDoggy]

Just came across this beauty of a thread. Most of the classics have been mentioned, but I'll add a few dim memories:

Tim Harrington, very modest tall defender who had several ordinary years at Collingwood and North, then gave us 2 more ordinary years. Totalled 46 games in 7 years - pure eker.

Neil Peart, was kind of ok in the 85 finals but only gave us 9 games then went back to where he came from (Richmond)

Con Gorizidis, not strictly a tall, but a marking forward who had all the ability in the world, perfect hair and almost zero appetite for hard work. Much longer career at StKilda (unsurprisingly).

The golden era was around 81 or 82, when we flooded our side with a great array of spuds, mostly tall/mid defenders, from other VFL clubs, including Mark Kellett, Chris Hansen, Chris Smith, Crazy Horse Cowton, Robert Klompp and Jim McAlester.

They were right at home with the likes of Mark Komp, Terry De Koning, Robert Groenewegen, John Bennett, Alister Ford and Shane Loveless.

God they were long years.

[ledge]

Alistair Ford lived with me for a couple of years . I work with Ted Fidge at the moment and I can tell you some funny stories about Shane Loveless from both of them and my own experiences, those days were full of half serious footballers but they could certainly could party.

[LostDoggy]

Alistair Ford lived with me for a couple of years . I work with Ted Fidge at the moment and I can tell you some funny stories about Shane Loveless from both of them and my own experiences, those days were full of half serious footballers but they could certainly could party.

From what I've heard of Ted (and Johnny) there'd be no shortage of crazy storys. Loveless was such a cult hero, crazy talented, shame he never got to front a decent team - I bet some wild stuff went down back in those days.

[LostDoggy]

Ben Harrison.

[The bulldog tragician]

At this week's final there was a fan proudly wearing a Guernsey with Peter Street's name on it. Glad to see continued homage being paid to one of the Talls of Shame luminaries

[Daughter of the West]

At this week's final there was a fan proudly wearing a Guernsey with Peter Street's name on it. Glad to see continued homage being paid to one of the Talls of Shame luminaries

My sister has her guernsey signed by Peter Street, and was a founder member of the Peter Street fan club. Funnily enough, it only had four members!

[Happy Days]

At this week's final there was a fan proudly wearing a Guernsey with Peter Street's name on it. Glad to see continued homage being paid to one of the Talls of Shame luminaries

I've got Peter Street's match worn Origin Energy ochre monstrosity. Cost me $10 at the Bulldogs shop.

[ledge]

From what I've heard of Ted (and Johnny) there'd be no shortage of crazy storys. Loveless was such a cult hero, crazy talented, shame he never got to front a decent team - I bet some wild stuff went down back in those days.

Problem was Shane knew he had talent and the girls loved it.
Ted coached him in the country and Shane Didnt like a fight so Ted was kept busy running from
Full back to full forward sorting out the other fullback.
Ted and John still don't mind a blue if they have a few, I tell Ted he is to old for it now and he agrees.
Scary man Ted still a big boy arms like a tank.

[Twodogs]

Just came across this beauty of a thread. Most of the classics have been mentioned, but I'll add a few dim memories:

Tim Harrington, very modest tall defender who had several ordinary years at Collingwood and North, then gave us 2 more ordinary years. Totalled 46 games in 7 years - pure eker.

Neil Peart, was kind of ok in the 85 finals but only gave us 9 games then went back to where he came from (Richmond)

Con Gorizidis, not strictly a tall, but a marking forward who had all the ability in the world, perfect hair and almost zero appetite for hard work. Much longer career at StKilda (unsurprisingly).

The golden era was around 81 or 82, when we flooded our side with a great array of spuds, mostly tall/mid defenders, from other VFL clubs, including Mark Kellett, Chris Hansen, Chris Smith, Crazy Horse Cowton, Robert Klompp and Jim McAlester.

They were right at home with the likes of Mark Komp, Terry De Koning, Robert Groenewegen, John Bennett, Alister Ford and Shane Loveless.

God they were long years.

They were. Captain Kellet was a good player and gave us good service but I agree on all the others. You missed David Allday, a pedestrian ruckman who played a few games with us after time at Richmond. Was an ex basketller I think.

[LostDoggy]

They were. Captain Kellet was a good player and gave us good service but I agree on all the others. You missed David Allday, a pedestrian ruckman who played a few games with us after time at Richmond. Was an ex basketller I think.

No question DA is Tall of Shame gilt edged. My memory is he came to us a little later. The mid to late 80s crew would include DA, Emmett Dunne, Maxy Crow for starters.

[Twodogs]

No question DA is Tall of Shame gilt edged. My memory is he came to us a little later. The mid to late 80s crew would include DA, Emmett Dunne, Maxy Crow for starters.

Dead right. I didn't see the year qualification until after I'd posted. :o

[Twodogs]

When did Bill Berry play with us? Was that in the early 80s?

[Bulldog4life]

Just came across this beauty of a thread. Most of the classics have been mentioned, but I'll add a few dim memories:

Tim Harrington, very modest tall defender who had several ordinary years at Collingwood and North, then gave us 2 more ordinary years. Totalled 46 games in 7 years - pure eker.

Neil Peart, was kind of ok in the 85 finals but only gave us 9 games then went back to where he came from (Richmond)

Con Gorizidis, not strictly a tall, but a marking forward who had all the ability in the world, perfect hair and almost zero appetite for hard work. Much longer career at StKilda (unsurprisingly).

The golden era was around 81 or 82, when we flooded our side with a great array of spuds, mostly tall/mid defenders, from other VFL clubs, including Mark Kellett, Chris Hansen, Chris Smith, Crazy Horse Cowton, Robert Klompp and Jim McAlester.

They were right at home with the likes of Mark Komp, Terry De Koning, Robert Groenewegen, John Bennett, Alister Ford and Shane Loveless.


God they were long years.

Bennett used to kick bags of goals with the reserves too.

[Twodogs]

Bennett used to kick bags of goals with the reserves too.


Kicked 100 in the ressies a couple of times at St Kilda I think.

[Bulldog4life]

Kicked 100 in the ressies a couple of times at St Kilda I think.

I thought he didn't do too bad when given a game in the seniors but always one of the first dropped.

[LostDoggy]

He had 1 match where he kicked more goals than the rest of the team combined.

Well, he kicked 2 of our 3 goals when we got beaten 4 goals to 3 in a mudheap at WO against Essendon.

JB was a pure footballer, but wasn't fit enough for VFL.

The only other Dog I can remember kicking more than half our goals in a match was Beasley, who did it a few times (once against Geelong he kicked 8 goals, the whole team kicked 9).

[ledge]

Who was the poor bloke who played at full forward in the reserves when Templeton was playing , his name escapes me he used to kick goals galore but with Templeton around he only played a few senior games.

[Sedat]

Just came across this beauty of a thread. Most of the classics have been mentioned, but I'll add a few dim memories:

Tim Harrington, very modest tall defender who had several ordinary years at Collingwood and North, then gave us 2 more ordinary years. Totalled 46 games in 7 years - pure eker.

Neil Peart, was kind of ok in the 85 finals but only gave us 9 games then went back to where he came from (Richmond)

Con Gorizidis, not strictly a tall, but a marking forward who had all the ability in the world, perfect hair and almost zero appetite for hard work. Much longer career at StKilda (unsurprisingly).

The golden era was around 81 or 82, when we flooded our side with a great array of spuds, mostly tall/mid defenders, from other VFL clubs, including Mark Kellett, Chris Hansen, Chris Smith, Crazy Horse Cowton, Robert Klompp and Jim McAlester.

They were right at home with the likes of Mark Komp, Terry De Koning, Robert Groenewegen, John Bennett, Alister Ford and Shane Loveless.

God they were long years.
Was watching The Winners Rebooted last night and they had the 1981 1st semi between Fitzroy and Collingwood, that the Pies won 19.19.133 to 19.18.132. One of the best games of footy I've ever seen - virtually no stoppages, no uncontested possessions and attacking one-on-one football across the whole ground and for the full 120 minutes. Then I got to thinking that The Winners rarely featured Footscray (or St Kilda or Melbourne for that matter), largely in part because of the players mentioned above. Tough days being a Dogs supporter back then.

[Sedat]

They were. Captain Kellet was a good player and gave us good service but I agree on all the others. You missed David Allday, a pedestrian ruckman who played a few games with us after time at Richmond. Was an ex basketller I think.
Brenton Vilcens was a poor man's David Allday, which is about as low down the footy food chain as you can get.

[Sedat]

Who was the poor bloke who played at full forward in the reserves when Templeton was playing , his name escapes me he used to kick goals galore but with Templeton around he only played a few senior games.
Was it Ross Christensen? Kicked a bag against the Hawks from memory in 1982 when we stormed home in the last qtr at the kennel to beat them. Think he also might have kicked a few at VFL Park one day.

[Twodogs]

I thought he didn't do too bad when given a game in the seniors but always one of the first dropped.

Yeah. I don't know that Malthouse was all that keen on full forwards as a coach. He seemed to lose a few at different clubs do it wasn't a one off. He seemed to find all sorts of reasons to drop Beasley at the last minute and Bennett would come in and kick 3 or 4 and get dropped again.


He had 1 match where he kicked more goals than the rest of the team combined.

Well, he kicked 2 of our 3 goals when we got beaten 4 goals to 3 in a mudheap at WO against Essendon.

JB was a pure footballer, but wasn't fit enough for VFL.

The only other Dog I can remember kicking more than half our goals in a match was Beasley, who did it a few times (once against Geelong he kicked 8 goals, the whole team kicked 9).

Kelvin Templeton kicked 2 out of 3 at Vic Park in the late 70s. Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere. They got nearly 30 from memory.

It was awful.


Who was the poor bloke who played at full forward in the reserves when Templeton was playing , his name escapes me he used to kick goals galore but with Templeton around he only played a few senior games.

Wasn't Randall Shiels was it?

[ledge]

No it wasn't either of them .. Neil Hodder ?
I remember John Ballantine was great in the reserves but struggled to get a game too.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Brenton Vilcens was a poor man's David Allday, which is about as low down the footy food chain as you can get.

Krill status?

[craigsahibee]

Who was the poor bloke who played at full forward in the reserves when Templeton was playing , his name escapes me he used to kick goals galore but with Templeton around he only played a few senior games.

Phil Bradmore?

[Twodogs]

Phil Bradmore?

Could have been. He wore the #18 immediately before Simon Beasley.

[merantau]

Mark Kellett was a damn good player for us. Had the best "don't argue" going around, plenty of pace and was a good kick. Emmet Dunn was a bit ordinary. Don't remember him giving us much. There was a bloke who used to stand in front of the Whitten Stand. He used to yell, "You couldn't get a kick in an interview room Dunne." Emmet was and still is a policeman.
Robert Klomp was mentioned earlier. Not really a tall. Infamous for being awarded BOG in a night game when even to say his stats were modest would be gilding the lily. He won a colour TV. People would often yell, "Give the TV back." He's never lived it down. The incident even followed him into the AFL's encyclopaedia of Footballers. I reckon if he still had the TV it would bring big money at auction. Football folklore - priceless.
Speaking of folklore: can anyone remember the name of the St Kilda player who kicked the dog? Created huge controversy for about a week. I think I know the answer but I'm looking for confirmation before naming him. It was in the late 70s or possibly early 80s.

[1eyedog]

The greatest of the shamers. Michael Talia come on down.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I’m resurrecting this thread in preparation of adding Rory Lobb to the ‘Talls of Shame” roll call. Also hoping someone in the recruiting department takes the advice suggested in the opening thread.


James Cook
Kingsley Hunter
Trent Bartlett
Simon Minton Connell
Daniel Bandy
Allen Jakovich
Aaron James
Adam Morgan
Tom Davidson
Lochlan Veale
Jade Rawlings
Travis Baird
Andrew McDougall.
Ed Barlow
Rory Lobb

[1eyedog]

Minton-Connell was actually really good for us. Thought Daniel Hargraves might get a guernsey though and no Cam Wight?

[hujsh]

Ryan was great. Just not as a tall.

I see the post above mine was edited so now what I'm saying makes no sense. WOOF is a harsh mistress when you get too lazy to hit the quote button

[1eyedog]

Emmett Dunne was shit too when he came over from Richmond.

[Bulldog4life]

Mark Kellett was a damn good player for us. Had the best "don't argue" going around, plenty of pace and was a good kick. Emmet Dunn was a bit ordinary. Don't remember him giving us much. There was a bloke who used to stand in front of the Whitten Stand. He used to yell, "You couldn't get a kick in an interview room Dunne." Emmet was and still is a policeman.
Robert Klomp was mentioned earlier. Not really a tall. Infamous for being awarded BOG in a night game when even to say his stats were modest would be gilding the lily. He won a colour TV. People would often yell, "Give the TV back." He's never lived it down. The incident even followed him into the AFL's encyclopaedia of Footballers. I reckon if he still had the TV it would bring big money at auction. Football folklore - priceless.
Speaking of folklore: can anyone remember the name of the St Kilda player who kicked the dog? Created huge controversy for about a week. I think I know the answer but I'm looking for confirmation before naming him. It was in the late 70s or possibly early 80s.

Is this the guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Booth#:~:text=He%20is%20often%20remembered%20for,to%20w in%20the%20%241000%20prize.

[Rocket Science]

Tim O'Brien currently wondering why he can neither get a game nor a mention in this thread.

Or is 192cms even 'tall' these days?

[Bulldog4life]

Tim O'Brien currently wondering why he can neither get a game nor a mention in this thread.

Or is 192cms even 'tall' these days?

Not according to BAD,

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

I keep forgetting O’Brien he only exists if I can see him

[bornadog]

I’m resurrecting this thread in preparation of adding Rory Lobb to the ‘Talls of Shame” roll call. Also hoping someone in the recruiting department takes the advice suggested in the opening thread.


James Cook
Kingsley Hunter
Trent Bartlett
Simon Minton Connell
Daniel Bandy
Allen Jakovich
Aaron James
Adam Morgan
Tom Davidson
Lochlan Veale
Jade Rawlings
Travis Baird
Andrew McDougall.
Ed Barlow
Rory Lobb

Not sure what your problem is with Lobb?

[Dancin' Douggy]

Minton-Connell was actually really good for us. Thought Daniel Hargraves might get a guernsey though and no Cam Wight?

Actually really good. But still just a nothing blip on the road of mediocrity.
Nothing more than that

[Dancin' Douggy]

Not sure what your problem is with Lobb?

He is a very average hack. As are all the other players on that list.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Tim O'Brien currently wondering why he can neither get a game nor a mention in this thread.

Or is 192cms even 'tall' these days?

We have to delist him before his name is engraved into the sacred marble.

[bornadog]

Not according to BAD,

The Bont is 193

[bornadog]

He is a very average hack. As are all the other players on that list.

Very harsh call on a player who has just kicked 36 goals as a fwd/ruck and ranked 15th for marks inside 50

[Dancin' Douggy]

Minton-Connell was actually really good for us. Thought Daniel Hargraves might get a guernsey though and no Cam Wight?

The 'Talls of Shame' list is reserved for players we traded in from other teams.
Players we thought would 'make a difference'.

AND DIDN'T.

Average hack, bargain basement talls, picked up for a couple of years at the end of their careers.


Rory Lobb's record is pretty drab and I think his name fits perfectly on that list. Personally I hope that deal doesn't happen.

[merantau]

[/B]

Is this the guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Booth#:~:text=He%20is%20often%20remembered%20for,to%20w in%20the%20%241000%20prize.

Indeed it is. Thanks for the confirmation.

[hujsh]

The 'Talls of Shame' list is reserved for players we traded in from other teams.
Players we thought would 'make a difference'.

AND DIDN'T.

Average hack, bargain basement talls, picked up for a couple of years at the end of their careers.


Rory Lobb's record is pretty drab and I think his name fits perfectly on that list. Personally I hope that deal doesn't happen.

I mean by your own rules you need to at least let the bloke play a few games before putting him on the list. Unless the English language has changed and 'didn't' is now future tense.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I mean by your own rules you need to at least let the bloke play a few games before putting him on the list. Unless the English language has changed and 'didn't' is now future tense.

Yes you are correct hujsh. I can't add Rory Lobb to the list yet.
And hopefully I won't have to. But he seems to fit the general profile.

[Bulldog Joe]

Minton-Connell was actually really good for us. Thought Daniel Hargraves might get a guernsey though and no Cam Wight?

Hargraves and Wight don't qualify as they weren't traded in but drafted.

If we are 2 include draftees that would require another very expansive list.


Apologies Dancin' Douggy.
Posted this before seeing you had already covered it.

[Bulldog Joe]

Ryan was great. Just not as a tall.

I see the post above mine was edited so now what I'm saying makes no sense. WOOF is a harsh mistress when you get too lazy to hit the quote button

Ryan was singular.

Don't get BAD started on the spelling.

[hujsh]

Ryan was singular.

Don't get BAD started on the spelling.

I'm pretty sure it was singular when I replied but alas that information is lost to time now

[F'scary]

Very harsh call on a player who has just kicked 36 goals as a fwd/ruck and ranked 15th for marks inside 50

The Lobster will make Dancin' Douggy eat his words.

[Bulldog Joe]

I'm pretty sure it was singular when I replied but alas that information is lost to time now

Sorry to do that to you.
Highlights why you needed to quote to preserve what you were replying to.