Who should we get as our new coach?

[boydogs]

Just speculation from my part but I would imagine that we will make an appointment late next week. We must be close to completing the interviews subject to the committee's availability and I'd imagine that we might then be done to 2 or 3 candidates. A quick 2nd interview would find us the right person.

Reading this I thought the 1st interviews must have been completed


Coaching update from Twitter

According to 3AW's Sam McClure Scott West has been told he is out of the race for the Bulldogs senior job by the Clubs Selection Committee.

He has also said Peter Sumich, Gary Ayres & Brett Ratten are the three men who have been spoken to as replacements for Brendan McCartney. Brett Montgomery has not been ruled out.

[Pickenitup]

A bit of talk around Luke Beveridge as a chance to coach us Thoughts?

[Torpedo]

From Wikipedia
"He began his coaching career in the Victorian Amateur Football Association competition where he coached St Bede's Mentone Tigers to the C, B and A Grade premierships in consecutive seasons.

Beveridge had two years as a player development manager at Collingwood from 2009–10, where he had an input to the club's 2010 premiership.[5]

After having a year off, Beveridge joined Hawthorn in 2012 as an assistant coach specialising is working with the club's defence. Beveridge will leave Hawthorn after the 2014 season to become director of coaching at St Kilda".

Most famous IIRC for his father recruiting him to St.Kilda after he played about 30 games in 3 years with the dogs. Got the best out of himself and ended up with over 100 games from limited natural ability.
His old man has an extensive background in all things afl.

[Axe Man]

I had completely forgotten that Beveridge played for us in the early 90s.

[azabob]

What are posters thoughts on Neil Craig?

[Pedro Sanchez]

What are posters thoughts on Neil Craig?

The long answer... No.

[GVGjr]

What are posters thoughts on Neil Craig?


Probably not the right one for us at this stage. Was a very good coach though and a great communicator.

[Go_Dogs]

Probably not the right one for us at this stage. Was a very good coach though and a great communicator.

I don't mind Craig but I'm not sure he'd be a great fit for us. Much maligned by Crows supporters I know for not being able to get it done in September.

[Remi Moses]

A bit of talk around Luke Beveridge as a chance to coach us Thoughts?

Heard Mick Mcguane mention that this morning .

[Doc26]

Following a radio interview just relayed on SEN, it doesn't sound like Brett Ratten has been approached by the Club nor has he expressed interest in our coaching position. However, he did say that senior coaching still interested him but that he was happy with his current role at Hawthorn.

[Pedro Sanchez]

Following a radio interview just relayed on SEN, it doesn't sound like Brett Ratten has been approached by the Club nor has he expressed interest in our coaching position. However, he did say that senior coaching still interested him but that he was happy with his current role at Hawthorn.

Bullet dodged.

On an aside, happy to entertain the idea of Beveridge. Really like him when he was with us and hoped he'd really kick on. He was a rover in the true sense of the word. None of this midfielder malarky. Anyway that's another story...

In short, yes to Bevo and no to Craig.

[LostDoggy]

3AW reporting they believe Mark Williams has not been spoken to by the selection committee.

[LostDoggy]

Further.. Gerald Healy states Ratten, Williams & West not spoken to in first round interviews.

[Bulldog4life]

Further.. Gerald Healy states Ratten, Williams & West not spoken to in first round interviews.

Maybe falling out with Justin Cordy and eventually with Monty when all 3 were at Carlton played a part in Ratten not being interviewed.

[azabob]

A bit of talk around Luke Beveridge as a chance to coach us Thoughts?

On paper it doesnt look like Beveridge has the experience or exposure as some other candidates. But hey that's on paper.

[Mofra]

Further.. Gerald Healy states Ratten, Williams & West not spoken to in first round interviews.

Backs up previous rumours about Beverage, Ayres & Sumich being in the mix.

[Twodogs]

I think we will end up with two coaches and Neil Craig or maybe Gary Ayres may well be one of them. I notice some very experienced names and some young names. Nothing in between. Maybe we will appoint a coaching director and also a younger senior coach.

If so I think it's a great idea. The whole Bmac situation might not have escalated if we'd had someone there who had coached an AFL team before . Someone who knew the signs. I hope that's one of the lessons we learned from that whole thing. That no matter what coaching set up we go with we have to have someone who has coached at AFL level in it.

[azabob]

Article on Beveridge.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-12/two-unsung-hawk-heroes

[Greystache]

I don't mind Craig but I'm not sure he'd be a great fit for us. Much maligned by Crows supporters I know for not being able to get it done in September.

He should fit right in then.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

He should fit right in then.

Have to laugh (and cry a little inside) in how true this is.

[bornadog]

The whole Bmac situation might not have escalated if we'd had someone there who had coached an AFL team before . Someone who knew the signs. I hope that's one of the lessons we learned from that whole thing. That no matter what coaching set up we go with we have to have someone who has coached at AFL level in it.

A few of us said over the past couple of years how BMacc should have had a mentor type on the coaching panel and perhaps things would have been different.

I am starting to really worry about who we will end up with.

[josie]

With Bomber being so quiet and with additions to EFC coaching group in last week or so, is their something in the Dogs melting pot to surprise us all? Wonder if PG & Co. are playing Svengali and are going to pull a Bomber out of the hat?

I know odds are against it but....

Setting aside my above mind wanderings, I love the idea of a really experienced coach being mentor and a junior coach being the main coach. Hope announcement is within a week or so, so the coach(es) can have some input into the recruiting decisions.

Also admire the fact that their have been no leaks thus far.

[jeemak]

Played against the Beverage coached side in B-section Ammos and they were very very well organised and you could tell - apart from some serious talent - the coaching had a lot to do with their rise up the grades. At the time it was perfect for them to climb up the grade ladder as they had a good group of young, quick and skillful footballers mixed with some older experience (not to mention a niche postage stamp ground worse than the one I played on for my club).

He's probably a bit off the mark for me as his AFL experience is a bit behind other candidates.

[Remi Moses]

Warming towards Beveridge, but just got a feeling his inexperience might go against him.
Would be a bold call, but by the sounds of it not awful.

[1eyedog]

A few of us said over the past couple of years how BMacc should have had a mentor type on the coaching panel and perhaps things would have been different.

I am starting to really worry about who we will end up with.

Who do you think the top 2 candidates are?

[jeemak]

Do we want McCartney back?

[AndrewP6]

Do we want McCartney back?

He's signed with Melbourne. And..no.

[KT31]

Do we want McCartney back?

That's a BIG NO from me.

[bornadog]

Who do you think the top 2 candidates are?

You would think of the inexperienced coaches Tudor and Sumich. Beveridge seems a light weight. Williams would have to be right up there and who knows about Thomo.

[1eyedog]

Do we want McCartney back?

I agree the pool seems shallow we're just going to just have to back the committee in to make the right decision.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I don't think the pool is shallow, its just low profile

[1eyedog]

I don't think the pool is shallow, its just low profile

It seems that everyone we are looking at hasn't coached at senior level so I will rephrase and say 'inexperienced' which is not a negative.

[w3design]

I'm sure all the Hawthorn supporters had the same reservations about Clarkson before he was appointed.....

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Do we want McCartney back?

The club didn't handle the situation well at all but McCartney was a horrible match day coach. It sounds harsh but we can only do better.

[jeemak]

Sorry, was just joking in response to people thinking there's a dearth of options (which I thought would have been obvious).

[bornadog]

I'm sure all the Hawthorn supporters had the same reservations about Clarkson before he was appointed.....

The trick is how do you find a Clarkson. Macca, Sanderson, Watters, Neeld all sacked early in the last few years.
This year four first time coaches debuted. Good luck to the committee.

[w3design]

The trick is how do you find a Clarkson. Macca, Sanderson, Watters, Neeld all sacked early in the last few years.
This year four first time coaches debuted. Good luck to the committee.

Clarkson was in the same position as Macca, Sanderson, Watters and Neeld. The only difference is that Hawthorn stuck by Clarkson and are now reaping the rewards....

[GVGjr]

The club didn't handle the situation well at all but McCartney was a horrible match day coach. It sounds harsh but we can only do better.

Not only does that sound harsh but I don't think it's an accurate assessment in the slightest.

[jeemak]

Not only does that sound harsh but I don't think it's an accurate assessment in the slightest.

It's always been an easy assumption for some to make, irrespective of the lack of evidence to back it up.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Not only does that sound harsh but I don't think it's an accurate assessment in the slightest.


It's always been an easy assumption for some to make, irrespective of the lack of evidence to back it up.

It's a pointless exercise to go back over old ground but throughout his tenure, I laid out plenty of examples where he tactically failed to gain an ascendency or stop the bleeding.

Each to their own.

[GVGjr]

It's a pointless exercise to go back over old ground but throughout his tenure, I laid out plenty of examples where he tactically failed to gain an ascendency or stop the bleeding.

Each to their own.

To be honest I read and didn't really agree with most of them.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

To be honest I read and didn't really agree with most of them.

That's fine, we all have different opinions.

Nevertheless, players were divided re: his coaching methods including Griffen and the results speak for themselves.

[chef]

Not only does that sound harsh but I don't think it's an accurate assessment in the slightest.
Yep, its a crock.

[GVGjr]

That's fine, we all have different opinions.

Nevertheless, players were divided re: his coaching methods including Griffen and the results speak for themselves.

Agreed. McCartney isn't at the club now but it's not because of his coaching day ability it's around communication with the players

[Greystache]

The club didn't handle the situation well at all but McCartney was a horrible match day coach. It sounds harsh but we can only do better.

I hear this a lot about so and so being a great match day coach, and so and so being a crap match day coach. I think the whole concept of being a great match day coach is highly overated. Most of the work is done before match day. A surprise move here and there, or an unsual match up (the times it actually works) might pinch you a slight advantage, but it'll be rectified within 5 minutes such is the scrutiny and analysis of the game.

I hear people saying Eade was a brililant match day coach, and that he killed the likes of Lyon etc, yet have a look at the respective sides and St Kilda were clearly better prepared, had a far more developed game style, and won matches based on the work that was done before the game was even played. Pulling a surprise move on game day was only ever trying to play catch up.

McCartney was coaching the team to be prepared to win before the game started, whether or not it would have worked long term we'll never know, but switching a player here or there, or starting a regular defender at full forward was going to do nothing to benefit a rebuilding team in the long term, it just would've made some fans happy because they'd feel like we're doing something.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Agreed. McCartney isn't at the club now but it's not because of his coaching day ability it's around communication with the players

Disagree. Coaching ability is directly linked with communication. If you cannot communicate with your players, you cannot coach, regardless of how well you know the game inside your own head.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I hear this a lot about so and so being a great match day coach, and so and so being a crap match day coach. I think the whole concept of being a great match day coach is highly overated. Most of the work is done before match day. A surprise move here and there, or an unsual match up (the times it actually works) might pinch you a slight advantage, but it'll be rectified within 5 minutes such is the scrutiny and analysis of the game.

I hear people saying Eade was a brililant match day coach, and that he killed the likes of Lyon etc, yet have a look at the respective sides and St Kilda were clearly better prepared, had a far more developed game style, and won matches based on the work that was done before the game was even played. Pulling a surprise move on game day was only ever trying to play catch up.

Agreed. I should probably clarify that when I say match day coach, I don't mean specifically the day of the game. I mean tactically which includes the lead up to the match during the week.

Re: Eade, he was good, but not the best. The 'tactical genius' tag he gets is a bit of sugarcoating.

[GVGjr]

Disagree. Coaching ability is directly linked with communication. If you cannot communicate with your players, you cannot coach, regardless of how well you know the game inside your own head.

I was responding to your 'match day coach' reference not the overall effectiveness of the coach which obviously communication is a vital component of the position.

[boydogs]

It seems that everyone we are looking at hasn't coached at senior level so I will rephrase and say 'inexperienced' which is not a negative.

Not everyone, Gary Ayres has been around a while.

[GVGjr]

Bulldogs online has just tweeted that Luke Beveridge is the front runner for the vacant coaching position

[Greystache]

Bulldogs online has just tweeted that Luke Beveridge is the front runner for the vacant coaching position

He must have been highly impressive in the interview process, because in terms of experience he is seriously light on.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Has Beveridge applied for any other positions during his time? GC and us - is that it?

[Remi Moses]

How on earth do any of us know what the newbies are like?

Steve Quartermain famously said after reading the sport on Ten quoted
" they're really struggling ,aren't they? " referring to the appointment of Clarkson .
Rest is history

[GVGjr]

He must have been highly impressive in the interview process, because in terms of experience he is seriously light on.

It's all about presentation skills and being able to articulate the vision for the club and the playing list going forward.
Beveridge doesn't appear to have enough runs on the board but who knows why he has jumped to the front of the queue.

[GVGjr]

Has Beveridge applied for any other positions during his time? GC and us - is that it?

I don't think he has ever applied before in fact it was only a couple of years ago he took a season off.

[Bulldog Revolution]

It's all about presentation skills and being able to articulate the vision for the club and the playing list going forward.
Beveridge doesn't appear to have enough runs on the board but who knows why he has jumped to the front of the queue.

Is he really that light on? coached his own team for 3-4 years - development coach for 2 at collingwood, back line coach at Hawks for 3

I wouldn't have seen it as that light on. He's already had 3 AFL clubs hire him (Pies, Hawks and Saints).

[Pedro Sanchez]

I'm warming more to Bevo. He was a battler as a player which is often a good hallmark for a great coach. Spent a few years at the Kennel and has been around the Hawks and Pies during their recent flags. Could be a winner!

[GVGjr]

Is he really that light on? coached his own team for 3-4 years - development coach for 2 at collingwood, back line coach at Hawks for 3

I wouldn't have seen it as that light on. He's already had 3 AFL clubs hire him (Pies, Hawks and Saints).

I don't believe he has coached the midfield at the AFL level which is a gap and I'd prefer the 'coaching his own team' to be at the state league level. I think there are more experienced guys than Beveridge but he must be good at selling his vision for the club.

I don't have a strong opinion of him either way. If he lands the job I won't be disappointed.

[Pedro Sanchez]

I just reckon a big pre-requisite is having played AFL footy. Mainly because when times get tough and a hard line with players is needed, having been there and done that at the highest level, helps garner the respect of players. Even if they don’t particularly like what you’re telling them. As good as B-mac was as an assistant at the Cats, I think his hard line was hard to swallow for a lot of the players. Its why I’m not keen on Bolton either.
Just my view.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I think there are more experienced guys than Beveridge but he must be good at selling his vision for the club.



Malthouse and Clarkson hired him and then the Saints with presumably some input from and Richardson so you'd have to think he's a pretty good communicator. If its him it will be interesting to see his first presser.

[GVGjr]

Malthouse and Clarkson hired him and then the Saints with presumably some input from and Richardson so you'd have to think he's a pretty good communicator. If its him it will be interesting to see his first presser.

I get your point but there is a vast difference between hiring someone for a development or an assistant coaches role than a senior coach and then needing to develop game plans, appeasing sponsors, managing the assistant coaches and the being the public face for the media etc.
Despite the resources at clubs, most senior coaches struggle with managing their time and their commitments.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I get your point but there is a vast difference between hiring someone for a development or an assistant coaches role than a senior coach and then needing to develop game plans, appeasing sponsors, managing the assistant coaches and the being the public face for the media etc.
Despite the resources at clubs, most senior coaches struggle with managing their time and their commitments.

Agreed, its a big step up and we won't know for sure whether our pick is up to it, but whoever we hire, we have to think very carefully about spreading around the media/sponsor load more than we did with Macca so that we can get the head coach working with players and getting the game plan right.

[Rocket Science]

Malthouse and Clarkson hired him and then the Saints with presumably some input from and Richardson so you'd have to think he's a pretty good communicator. If its him it will be interesting to see his first presser.

A sampler...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOiBI6TOadY

Beveridge on cameoing as senior coach for the Hawks in a NAB Cup tilt earlier this year, and his approach more generally.

Clearly no dill, but not sure this grab showcases his oratory skills.

[Torpedo]

Certainly a battler who got the most out of himself. Luke had 11 one year contracts in his 11 year AFL career with 3 separate clubs. Prepared to put himself on the line each year- reveals a lot about the man.
Something out of left field, but Has any club ever looked at securing a duo/team of coaches in one selection process? Is it time to look at a collegiate approach to coach selection and have the selection panel choose a team of coaching staff rather than one individual who then hires his lieutenants? It just seems that selecting one bloke for the job is so hit or miss. Don't know if it could work or how it would work though. Is the hierarchical coaching structure the only paradigm?

[Doc26]

A sampler...

Beveridge on cameoing as senior coach for the Hawks in a NAB Cup tilt earlier this year, and his approach more generally.

Clearly no dill, but not sure this grab showcases his oratory skills.

Thanks for sharing the link.

I will have to leave this decision up to the committee as to whether Luke fits the bill.

He's certainly been in and around a successful coaching regime which is a minimum requirement.

I'm not at all troubled if the panel goes his way so long as he ticks the necessary boxes.

[GVGjr]

I don't know if it's more about the hair but he does remind me of Des Hasler

[Twodogs]

Certainly a battler who got the most out of himself. Luke had 11 one year contracts in his 11 year AFL career with 3 separate clubs. Prepared to put himself on the line each year- reveals a lot about the man.
Something out of left field, but Has any club ever looked at securing a duo/team of coaches in one selection process? Is it time to look at a collegiate approach to coach selection and have the selection panel choose a team of coaching staff rather than one individual who then hires his lieutenants? It just seems that selecting one bloke for the job is so hit or miss. Don't know if it could work or how it would work though. Is the hierarchical coaching structure the only paradigm?

I'm thinking the same thing. Its no coincidence that the age profile of the candidates fall into two different categories old and ex AFL coaches and young coaches with a plan. Nothing in between.. I think they are going to appoint two coaches.

[Maddog37]

I don't know if it's more about the hair but he does remind me of Des Hasler

Good call!

[Bulldog Revolution]

I'm thinking the same thing. Its no coincidence that the age profile of the candidates fall into two different categories old and ex AFL coaches and young coaches with a plan. Nothing in between.. I think they are going to appoint two coaches.

Are you thinking we might try something revolutionary and appoint co-coaches?

[Bulldog4life]

I was thinking along the lines of say Gary Ayres as Director of Coaching...seems to be the way to go and a Luke Beveridge as Coach.

[Rocket Science]

I was thinking along the lines of say Gary Ayres as Director of Coaching...seems to be the way to go and a Luke Beveridge as Coach.

Fear they frequent the same hairdresser.

[Templeton31]

Certainly a battler who got the most out of himself. Luke had 11 one year contracts in his 11 year AFL career with 3 separate clubs. Prepared to put himself on the line each year- reveals a lot about the man.
Something out of left field, but Has any club ever looked at securing a duo/team of coaches in one selection process? Is it time to look at a collegiate approach to coach selection and have the selection panel choose a team of coaching staff rather than one individual who then hires his lieutenants? It just seems that selecting one bloke for the job is so hit or miss. Don't know if it could work or how it would work though. Is the hierarchical coaching structure the only paradigm?

The ACT Brumbies (Rugby Union) had co-coaches the last two years and made the GF and the Preliminary Final (Rugby Union equivalents). The 2 coaches I think had to spend a lot of time communicating between each other and I think 1 of the coaches (the older one) felt as though his ambition and control had been interfered with and he always seemed to be a bit awkward about it, while still towing the 'company line'. In the end, despite the success, the older one has left for an overseas position as a sole head coach. Also probably the other thing is Rugby Union lends itself a bit more to 'line coaches' with the younger coach taking the backs and the older coach the forwards. (For the record the younger coach was/is Stephen Larkham and the older coach was Laurie Fisher).

[Torpedo]

That's an interesting situation. Were they thrown together by the club or did they self select?
I'm intrigued to know what the club would do if Ayres and Beveridge had got together and given a joint presentation to the selection panel outlining key responsibilities, strategies, day to day interaction as a coaching team.

If Luke and or Gary thought they had a better chance of breaking into the highest level of coaching as a team rather than as competitors, then it would seem a win/win outcome as long as egos were parked at the front door. Each time a coach is selected its like leaving the family home and going on holiday and leaving the houses and family silver in charge of a comparative stranger who then invites his mates to house sit with him.
Its always a much bigger risk for a struggling club like ours - results wise, financially, media wise and membership wise.

[1eyedog]

Fear they frequent the same hairdresser.

Can't be any worse than a pink singlet on Plough

[Throughandthrough]

Abc. Anyone but Craig.

[Bandit]

Surely we have been warned off Williams and Thompson (either by the AFL or by industry scuttlebutt). It appears that we have not even made contact with them. There must be a reason for this. Seems the only logical explanation for not talking to what most people would think make outstanding candidates. The Thompson scenario is strange, I get the feeling there is some real personal issues going on there.

[Maddog37]

I would appreciate knowing what the scuttlebutt is with Bomber if someone would be kind enough to pm me....?

[Twodogs]

Are you thinking we might try something revolutionary and appoint co-coaches?

More of a defined power structure with the older coach monitoring the player group and watching the younger coach's back. Most of the strategic planning and vision would be the younger coach's department. He'd be responsible for delivering a match ready team on Gameday then the older coach would do the tactical preperation on the opposition with the players. He would have been studying the opposition identifying short comings in their game and set ups that have worked for them.

Or a set up like that.

I hope it's a club initiative to have a different coaching set up but I like the idea of two guys having the initiative to come to the club and selling it to us too.

[w3design]

Western Bulldogs finalise shortlist for next senior coach
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
October 30, 2014 8:00PM
THE Western Bulldogs have finalised a coach shortlist but will not start formal interviews until next week.

The Dogs plan to unveil Brendan McCartney’s successor by November 17 — when the club’s senior players start pre-season — but are not working to a concrete deadline.

With Rodney Eade locked in at Gold Coast and no other club searching for a coach, the Dogs are in no rush and will almost certainly again appoint an untried coach.

The Herald Sun believes North Melbourne assistant Leigh Tudor and Ross Lyon’s right-hand man Peter Sumich (Fremantle) will be sounded out, along with Brett Montgomery.

Montgomery was McCartney’s senior assistant and a runaway winner of the AFL’s assistant coach of 2014 award.

He is rated highly at Whitten Oval and has the players’ support.

Luke Beveridge, set to start as St Kilda’s director of coaching when he returns from overseas, is also expected to be interviewed, while Andy Lovell (Suns) could be considered.

One-time Dogs player Beveridge has spent the past three years at the Hawks, was a development coach at Collingwood and steered St Bedes-Mentone to three-straight VAFA flags starting in C Grade.

Beveridge was in contention for the Suns’ job while his five AFL seasons have netted four Grand Finals (three premierships) and a preliminary final with the 44-year-old credited for uniting the Hawthorn backline.

Beveridge was in contention for the Suns’ job and his sharp rise has been justified by the plaudits won at the Hawks and Pies.

But the Bulldogs have not contacted dual premiership Hawthorn assistant coach Brett Ratten or VFL coach Gary Ayres and have told club legend Scott West he does not have the experience to be considered.

Ayres said he was not expecting a call while Ratten said his passion for a second senior job remained, but he was happy at the Hawks.

“I haven’t been contacted, but I’m very happy at the Hawks and … that’s probably where I’ll stay,” he said.

[LostDoggy]

Is Beveridge contracted at the Saints? Will we need to compensate them if he's appointed?

[LostDoggy]

I think the AFL community would talk a lot behind the scenes and the club would easily find out directly or indirectly whether either man would be available (If we wanted them) and I suspect they're not in the frame for whatever reason.

[Axe Man]

Dogs consider Sumich and two more (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-31/dogs-hunt-narrows-to-three)

THE WESTERN Bulldogs are comfortable for their young players to return to training next Wednesday before a senior coach has been appointed.

The club's first-to-fourth-year players are due to return to the club on November 5 with the senior players due back 12 days later on November 17.

The coaching selection committee, that includes Chris Grant, John Worsfold, Luke Darcy, Graham Lowe and Simon Garlick, has met and spent the past week speaking to people within the football industry and identifying potential candidates for the job.

AFL.com.au understands the candidates under consideration for the job include Fremantle assistant coach Peter Sumich, Western Bulldogs assistant Brett Montgomery and newly appointed St Kilda director of coaching Luke Beveridge.

Beveridge is holidaying overseas with his family and, despite reports, is understood to have declined to be involved in the selection process for the Gold Coast job.

St Kilda has not been made aware of any desire of the Bulldogs to speak to the 44-year-old. Beveridge played with Mebourne, St Kilda and the Bulldogs, and has been an assistant coach at Collingwood and Hawthorn.

Another prospective candidate, former Carlton coach Brett Ratten, who is understood to have recently re-signed a two-year deal with Hawthorn as an assistant coach, has indicated he is happy to stay with the Hawks.

After the Suns appointed Rodney Eade to the job on Thursday, the Bulldogs remain the only club without a senior coach.

The club parted ways with its coach Brendan McCartney (the day after its captain Ryan Griffen requested a trade to Greater Western Sydney during the trade period) despite McCartney having two years to run on his contract.

McCartney has since got a job as a development coach at Melbourne.

The Bulldogs appear to be a team on the rise, managing to snare last year's No.1 pick Tom Boyd on a multi-million dollar deal to complement an impressive young midfield that includes Tom Liberatore, Jackson McCrae, Jake Stringer, Mitch Wallis and Marcus Bontempelli.

Strange that they make no mention of Tudor when the Hearld-Sun believe he is one of the leading candidates.

[Hotdog60]

I coached under 8's, 10's and under 12's. 30/70 win loss ratio over the course of 6 years and made one elimination final series and got knocked out. But my coaching certificate is still current.

I'm up for a challenge should I apply?

[1eyedog]

I don't like the idea of Beveridge anymore than I like the idea of two coaches. Beveridge to me seems underdone for the role and premierships at the grade they were won does not imbue me with the confidence he's been part of a successful dynasty, then again Macca came from a successful dynasty so I'm not sure how much credence I actually place in that.

Beveridge probably takes the angle of a mate with the players which is perhaps why he is popular with them (Monty too incidentally) and while this is a key attribute he'll need to make hard calls, which he has probably never had to do. His communication skills seem lacking from a superficial perspective and he seems no more sure of what he is saying in front of a camera than Neeld did. We need someone who will take us to Grand Final but we also need to sell a dream. Tom Boyd is 1 million times better in front of a camera than Beveridge. I liked Beveridge as a player just not as a coach at our club. Just my take.

The two coaches hypothesis is fraught with risk IMO. Would the decision to select a younger, untried coach differ (say a Beveridge to a Tudor for instance) if we have a wise hand in the background holding things together? What happens if the old head moves on at the end of one year? Is our inexperienced coach in a position to take the reins if this happens? What transpires if there is conflict? Another uncertainty. I prefer the one coach option and we need to make a decision based on reputation, ability to self manage as well as good delegation skills. Having played extensively at AFL level and the ability to get along well with the boys but is separate enough to earn a different kind of respect for when the going gets tough is critical.

Others have gone into the credentials of Monty, Sumich and Tudor and I think they would all be worthy of a shot.

[bornadog]

I don't like the idea of Beveridge anymore than I like the idea of two coaches. Beveridge to me seems underdone for the role and premierships at the grade they were won does not imbue me with the confidence he's been part of a successful dynasty, then again Macca came from a successful dynasty so I'm not sure how much credence I actually place in that.

Beveridge probably takes the angle of a mate with the players which is perhaps why he is popular with them (Monty too incidentally) and while this is a key attribute he'll need to make hard calls, which he has probably never had to do. His communication skills seem lacking from a superficial perspective and he seems no more sure of what he is saying in front of a camera than Neeld did. We need someone who will take us to Grand Final but we also need to sell a dream. Tom Boyd is 1 million times better in front of a camera than Beveridge. I liked Beveridge as a player just not as a coach at our club. Just my take.

The two coaches hypothesis is fraught with risk IMO. Would the decision to select a younger, untried coach differ (say a Beveridge to a Tudor for instance) if we have a wise hand in the background holding things together? What happens if the old head moves on at the end of one year? Is our inexperienced coach in a position to take the reins if this happens? What transpires if there is conflict? Another uncertainty. I prefer the one coach option and we need to make a decision based on reputation, ability to self manage as well as good delegation skills. Having played extensively at AFL level and the ability to get along well with the boys but is separate enough to earn a different kind of respect for when the going gets tough is critical.

Others have gone into the credentials of Monty, Sumich and Tudor and I think they would all be worthy of a shot.

Being a mate with the players is really difficult to get past. When my daughter was involved with flat water Kayaking, she decided to give back a little to help out some of the other girls in the squad.

My daughter was clearly more skilled and had achieved more than the other girls and was encouraged to do a coaching course to compliment her, and was eventually appointed as an assistant coach. In one of her first sessions, the head coach asked her to take out some of the girls for a training session. Some of the girls started questioning her and saying, who are you to tell us what to do.

You really have to earn your stripes and hopefully if a Monty or Beveridge are appointed they realise the senior role is a whole new kettle of fish. My daughter learnt the hard way.

[Avoid the rush]

Take out all rumours , he says , she says , and urban myths. In my humble Bomber Thompson would be a walk up start (if interested) as number 1 pick for new coach , Worsfold number 2, and probably Choko Williams number 3. No mention of any of them. WHY????????????????????????

[bornadog]

Take out all rumours , he says , she says , and urban myths. In my humble Bomber Thompson would be a walk up start (if interested) as number 1 pick for new coach , Worsfold number 2, and probably Choko Williams number 3. No mention of any of them. WHY????????????????????????

maybe the club will surprise us?

[1eyedog]

maybe the club will surprise us?

Yep it's done a fair bit of that lately...

[KT31]

Being a mate with the players is really difficult to get past. When my daughter was involved with flat water Kayaking, she decided to give back a little to help out some of the other girls in the squad.

My daughter was clearly more skilled and had achieved more than the other girls and was encouraged to do a coaching course to compliment her, and was eventually appointed as an assistant coach. In one of her first sessions, the head coach asked her to take out some of the girls for a training session. Some of the girls started questioning her and saying, who are you to tell us what to do.

You really have to earn your stripes and hopefully if a Monty or Beveridge are appointed they realise the senior role is a whole new kettle of fish. My daughter learnt the hard way.

This may go a way to explaining as to why your daughter ended up in front of the other girls, willing to learn, attitude and realising a snippet of information can come from anyone (especially a new coach who has been through the process) could hold the key to the ninth of improvement needed to step up a grade.
I once coached a junior player who was so keen and eager to learn that he read all the books and tutorials I could get him, he was just an OK cricketer but I am positive one day he will be a cracking coach.( sometimes I think he coached the kids more than me )

[LostDoggy]

Take out all rumours , he says , she says , and urban myths. In my humble Bomber Thompson would be a walk up start (if interested) as number 1 pick for new coach , Worsfold number 2, and probably Choko Williams number 3. No mention of any of them. WHY????????????????????????

Look I don't post here much, but I keep seeing the question being asked about Bomber. It is impossible to answer without being slanderous.

I have heard from at least three different credible people the reason why Bomber is persona non grata at the moment. It is common knowledge inside the industry I am given to believe.

Listen to the media tip toe around it when they discuss Bomber. They know but can't say.

Join the dots. Bomber has been under incredible pressure all year. Bomber is independently wealthy and has money to burn so to speak. Bomber has displayed increasingly eccentric/erratic behaviour culminating in his B & F speech. Bomber goes on holiday when jobs are up for grabs. Bomber is not contactable by his current employer or seemingly anyone else on his return.

If people can't join the dots from this, well that is the best you are going to get in a public space.

[bornadog]

Look I don't post here much, but I keep seeing the question being asked about Bomber. It is impossible to answer without being slanderous.

I have heard from at least three different credible people the reason why Bomber is persona non grata at the moment. It is common knowledge inside the industry I am given to believe.

Listen to the media tip toe around it when they discuss Bomber. They know but can't say.

Join the dots. Bomber has been under incredible pressure all year. Bomber is independently wealthy and has money to burn so to speak. Bomber has displayed increasingly eccentric/erratic behaviour culminating in his B & F speech. Bomber goes on holiday when jobs are up for grabs. Bomber is not contactable by his current employer or seemingly anyone else on his return.

If people can't join the dots from this, well that is the best you are going to get in a public space.

Also refusing to pay his AFL fine ($30k) - I think due today.

[josie]

A sampler...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOiBI6TOadY

Beveridge on cameoing as senior coach for the Hawks in a NAB Cup tilt earlier this year, and his approach more generally.

Clearly no dill, but not sure this grab showcases his oratory skills.

Watched a clip of Sumich from 2012 and this one for Beveridge. Both spoke OK. I was more impressed by Beveridge's oratory skills. He seems very thoughtful and I liked the bit where he says "(acting as senior coach in NAB preseason match) you probably think a lot more about how you get your messages across". Can see why he might be leading the race. If he is able to transform our backline into something approaching Hawks that would be massive. If he has been an auditor he has an eye for detail which I think will help. I think he has a bit of presence about him too.

Leigh Tudor speaks OK however seems a bit more introverted and strikes me as a person who is perhaps content playing 2nd fiddle.

Mu concern regarding Monty (apart from the mud that sticks being part of club's recent shmozzle and the unsubstantiated rumours of him white anting) is that as senior assistant coach I thought some of our match day tactics were poor. Also, although he was a premiership player, I understand he has no experience with other clubs.

Having said this, I'll support whomever the club appoints and trust them to make the best decision given the candidates available.

[Sedat]

Watched a clip of Sumich from 2012 and this one for Beveridge. Both spoke OK. I was more impressed by Beveridge's oratory skills. He seems very thoughtful and I liked the bit where he says "(acting as senior coach in NAB preseason match) you probably think a lot more about how you get your messages across". Can see why he might be leading the race. If he is able to transform our backline into something approaching Hawks that would be massive. If he has been an auditor he has an eye for detail which I think will help. I think he has a bit of presence about him too.

Leigh Tudor speaks OK however seems a bit more introverted and strikes me as a person who is perhaps content playing 2nd fiddle.

Mu concern regarding Monty (apart from the mud that sticks being part of club's recent shmozzle and the unsubstantiated rumours of him white anting) is that as senior assistant coach I thought some of our match day tactics were poor. Also, although he was a premiership player, I understand he has no experience with other clubs.

Having said this, I'll support whomever the club appoints and trust them to make the best decision given the candidates available.
He was an assistant coach for (I think) 3 seasons at Carlton under Ratten before joining the Dogs.

[josie]

Thanks Sedat. I'd forgotten but it does ring bells. If he does get gig good luck to him and if he does not it will be interesting to see if he stays on.

[Scraggers]

As much as I liked Macca and his coaching/teaching philosophy, we would be foolish to consider an untried coach. Right now at this stage of our progress we have to look for experience ... Premiership experience would be even better.

Please not another untried ... We tried that approach and failed

[boydogs]

Please not another untried ... We tried that approach and failed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Joyce

[Scorlibo]

Look I don't post here much, but I keep seeing the question being asked about Bomber. It is impossible to answer without being slanderous.

I have heard from at least three different credible people the reason why Bomber is persona non grata at the moment. It is common knowledge inside the industry I am given to believe.

Listen to the media tip toe around it when they discuss Bomber. They know but can't say.

Join the dots. Bomber has been under incredible pressure all year. Bomber is independently wealthy and has money to burn so to speak. Bomber has displayed increasingly eccentric/erratic behaviour culminating in his B & F speech. Bomber goes on holiday when jobs are up for grabs. Bomber is not contactable by his current employer or seemingly anyone else on his return.

If people can't join the dots from this, well that is the best you are going to get in a public space.

I can confirm what you're implying. Bomber would be a disaster, and not just for that reason.

[chef]

Please not another untried ... We tried that approach and failed

We could as easily end up with the next Hinkley as we could Blight version St Kilda.

Experience isn't everything.

[w3design]

What about john worsfold? Articulate, proven hard man, all Australian, premiership coach with loads of experience. No more untried coachs pleeease. Wonder if there are regrets that they didnt snaffle Leon Cameron when we had the chance 3 years ago.

[Flamethrower]

What about john worsfold? Articulate, proven hard man, all Australian, premiership coach with loads of experience. No more untried coachs pleeease. Wonder if there are regrets that they didnt snaffle Leon Cameron when we had the chance 3 years ago.

Everything is easier in hindsight, but it is obvious now that we should have appointed Leon as head coach and Macca in a development/mentor role.

Since that ship has sailed, we should be looking at doing the same thing again by appointing the best of the untried candidates as head coach and Worsfold in the mentor role.

[w3design]

Not meaning to bag Macca as he did a lot good things for us, none the less than giving kids a go. I just think woosher ticks all boxs

[jeemak]

What happens when GWS stalls and Cameron gets the arse from them because the AFL demands better results faster?

[Hotdog60]

Coaching is a lottery, you could be lucky and get a very good list which may hide certain flaws and still win a final for your resume. Or you maybe a brilliant coach with a poor list and never amount to anything because you never got the chance to sort the list out.

Our next coach maybe untried and do wonders which may have a lot to do with Maccas ground work, who knows.

Who's not to say that if we gave Rocket the chance to rebuild the list like he wanted that he would have a GF under his belt. Instead he got the flick for a refresh instead which ended up being a rebuild anyway.

Coaching life is short unless you can keep the results flowing. With extra assistance that the club was going to give Macca he well may have fixed his short comings and he could have sent us to a GF in 2 years time.

So many variables so much luck and so much timing. I'll just go with who the club decides on because at the end of the day they are the ones in the know.

[Ghost Dog]

I couldn't see us getting to a final with the McCartney, but he was a good 'teacher' of basics. Minson, Libba, Griff had stellar seasons under him. It would have been better to have him as an assistant, in hindsight. We now need someone sustainable, a person who has the right experience and a long term vision for us.

[LostDoggy]

What about john worsfold? Articulate, proven hard man, all Australian, premiership coach with loads of experience. No more untried coachs pleeease. Wonder if there are regrets that they didnt snaffle Leon Cameron when we had the chance 3 years ago.
What has Leon done to show he is going to be a good coach?

[Remi Moses]

Would have thought Leon's an unknown still at this stage.

[Twodogs]

Yep. Too early to call either way on Leon. Having said that I don't think he'd be happy with last season.

[Greystache]

I would say Cameron is on negative side of unproven. I certainly don't look at GWS getting routinely thrashed while playing 22 first round draft picks with 3 years under their belt and say "gee we made a mistake passing on Leon Cameron".

[azabob]

Stache, who is your preferred candidate?

[Greystache]

Stache, who is your preferred candidate?

I don't really know enough about any of them to have a preference.

Beveridge's lack of experience is a concern. I've seen plenty of people who can make an impressive presentation but don't have the capability to back it up.

I'm also against trying to talk an experienced coach into taking the role who doesn't really want it, the example being Worsfold. If you're not 100% engaged in this game you'll be exposed quickly.

[ledge]

Williams is now who I would try and get.

[jeemak]

I don't really know enough about any of them to have a preference.

Beveridge's lack of experience is a concern. I've seen plenty of people who can make an impressive presentation but don't have the capability to back it up.

I'm also against trying to talk an experienced coach into taking the role who doesn't really want it, the example being Worsfold. If you're not 100% engaged in this game you'll be exposed quickly.

I might overrate the top grades of the Ammos because I played them over a fair while, but I think if you can bring a side up through three or four grades winning premierships to eventually win an A Grade premiership, and couple it with AFL coaching experience you don't have any issues with senior coaching experience.

BMac had coached a few flags in the Geelong League before he got his chance in the big leagues as an assistant. Beverage coached flags through the Ammos which is the best comp in Melbourne before he landed an assistant coaching role.

It's very very hard to coach an A Grade Ammo side successfully. You have to deal with talent, politics, availability of players and expectation more so than most other comps because of the relegation system and the fact players don't get paid. If Bmac could get a coaching gig on the back of a few Ballarine league premierships, then Beverage at the very least has that covered.

[Remi Moses]

The only difference is McCartney's been around a bit longer .
It's all just guess work for us outsiders .

[jeemak]

The only difference is McCartney's been around a bit longer .
It's all just guess work for us outsiders .

He's been in the system longer, but his experience before it is inferior.

Agree it's guess work though. Can't wait to see half of the posters here throw it out, and another half deal with it.

[Remi Moses]

He's been in the system longer, but his experience before it is inferior.

Agree it's guess work though. Can't wait to see half of the posters here throw it out, and another half deal with it.

I'm warming to Beveridge. Just a gut feel on this bloke

[Scorlibo]

I might overrate the top grades of the Ammos because I played them over a fair while, but I think if you can bring a side up through three or four grades winning premierships to eventually win an A Grade premiership, and couple it with AFL coaching experience you don't have any issues with senior coaching experience.

BMac had coached a few flags in the Geelong League before he got his chance in the big leagues as an assistant. Beverage coached flags through the Ammos which is the best comp in Melbourne before he landed an assistant coaching role.

It's very very hard to coach an A Grade Ammo side successfully. You have to deal with talent, politics, availability of players and expectation more so than most other comps because of the relegation system and the fact players don't get paid. If Bmac could get a coaching gig on the back of a few Ballarine league premierships, then Beverage at the very least has that covered.

Agree with that. Beveridge would be my preference at this stage, if it's a choice between him, Sumich and Monty.

[F'scary]

HS calling Beveridge "the bolter in the race to succeed McCartney"

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brad-sewell-says-luke-beveridge-muchloved-coach-and-would-suit-western-bulldogs/story-fndv8weh-1227109338912

Do they know something or is it speculation for the sake of an article?

[1eyedog]

Why is he the bolter? Because Brad Sewell said he was good with people?

[Remi Moses]

He's perceived as the bolter because he wasn't in the reckoning a week ago.
Now he is being talked up by Brad Sewell and the like.

[ledge]

So because Brad Sewell says he is good the media say we will employ him ? Why did we employ a panel and not just ask Brad Sewell?
The media are getting worse and worse everyday, they speculate with no real idea of anything.
Just keep guessing and bringing up a different name, one of those names will be right then that reporter will claim to be in the know.
Just like every reporter claimed we were no chance to get Boyd while he was actually signing with us.
Made all the media look stupid so then they all decided to throw out a negative story about it.

[SquirrelGrip]

To me, Monty looks the right choice, just as Wallace was after the Year of the Dogs...

[bulldogsthru&thru]

So because Brad Sewell says he is good the media say we will employ him ? Why did we employ a panel and not just ask Brad Sewell?
The media are getting worse and worse everyday, they speculate with no real idea of anything.
Just keep guessing and bringing up a different name, one of those names will be right then that reporter will claim to be in the know.
Just like every reporter claimed we were no chance to get Boyd while he was actually signing with us.
Made all the media look stupid so then they all decided to throw out a negative story about it.

I just find it amusing that these so called "newspapers" ask for the consumer to pay for their utter tripe. (whilst also being bombarded with advertising)

[LostDoggy]

So because Brad Sewell says he is good the media say we will employ him ? Why did we employ a panel and not just ask Brad Sewell?
The media are getting worse and worse everyday, they speculate with no real idea of anything.
Just keep guessing and bringing up a different name, one of those names will be right then that reporter will claim to be in the know.
Just like every reporter claimed we were no chance to get Boyd while he was actually signing with us.
Made all the media look stupid so then they all decided to throw out a negative story about it.

Well said Ledge, I actually heard Jon Ralph aka Ralph Malph, the other talking to KB completely admitting that there is no time to verify something anymore because of twitter, so they just go with it straight away and hope for the best. Said he did exactly this when Neeld got sacked and was lucky.

I read an article there weeks ago saying the Essendon Board had finally dismissed James Hird, complete tripe!

[KT31]

I just find it amusing that these so called "newspapers" ask for the consumer to pay for their utter tripe. (whilst also being bombarded with advertising)

It's not just the papers, its the magazines, internet and worst of all pay tv.

[chef]

I just find it amusing that these so called "newspapers" ask for the consumer to pay for their utter tripe. (whilst also being bombarded with advertising)

They are as bad as the English tabloids nowadays, all opinions and fluff and f all news.

[KT31]

They are as bad as the English tabloids nowadays, all opinions and fluff and f all news.

They should bring back 'The Truth', the sports writing was great and if I'm going to read crapI at least could enjoy a odd glance over to page three.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

They should bring back 'The Truth', the sports writing was great and if I'm going to read crapI at least could enjoy a odd glance over to page three.

And read Heart Balm

[LostDoggy]

They should bring back 'The Truth', the sports writing was great and if I'm going to read crapI at least could enjoy a odd glance over to page three.

"You want the truth?"

[KT31]

"You want the truth?"

"You can't handle the truth !"

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I want my friend Abeer, to marry Luke Beveridge.
However I'm wanting Choco Williams as coach, for his past successes and the dynamism his image would bring the club.

[F'scary]

Sumich has just withdrawn. Apparently it is now a two horse race between Montgomery & Beveridge.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-dockers-assistant-peter-sumich-withdraws-from-western-bulldogs-coaching-race/story-fndv8h5w-1227112140250

[KT31]

Sumich has just withdrawn. Apparently it is now a two horse race between Montgomery & Beveridge.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-dockers-assistant-peter-sumich-withdraws-from-western-bulldogs-coaching-race/story-fndv8h5w-1227112140250
Better now than during his tender, with Monty being to close to the club I would prefer Beveridge.
Still not sure why we have not interviewed other prospects.

[1eyedog]

It will cost how many weeks and how much money for the Dogs to appoint Monty?

[azabob]

It will cost how many weeks and how much money for the Dogs to appoint Monty?

Huh?

[F'scary]

Sumich has just withdrawn. Apparently it is now a two horse race between Montgomery & Beveridge.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-dockers-assistant-peter-sumich-withdraws-from-western-bulldogs-coaching-race/story-fndv8h5w-1227112140250

It seems an unusual arrangement that Monty has been guaranteed the assistant coach's role if he does not get the senior coach's job.

[G-Mo77]

So Monty or Beveridge according to the article. Got to say that neither fills me with great confidence.

[mighty_west]

Have heard alot of good things about Luke Beveridge, either him or Tudor thanks.

That said wouldn't be upset if we went with Monty, there is no reason why he can't succeed as a head coach and seems the only knock on him being well known already by the players.

I trust the panel to get it right whoever they go for.

[ratsmac]

I'm not upset that Sumich has withdrawn but I'd hate to see someone given the job because every else pulled out for one reason or another. It's getting the job by default. I hope the club seeks out another candidate so that we have a multiple choice and pick the best of the lot.

[LostDoggy]

Whoever he is, he should be a Protectionist.

[chef]

It will cost how many weeks and how much money for the Dogs to appoint Monty?

We still have to have gone through the correct procedures even if Montys the right man.

[1eyedog]

Huh?

Is that a question?

It seems to me that that will be the net result if it's out of Beveridge and Monty - surely Monty is a mile in front for obvious reasons. My comment was more about the coaching cupboard being particularly bare as opposed to Monty not being good enough.

As above we followed due process however if it is a race between Beveridge and Monty and the only other candidate was Sumich I would say that that is a pretty bare cupboard and, at least to me, not a very robust due diligence, especially if Tudor, Ayres and Williams were not interviewed.

After the past month it's hard to predict what the club has done with regard to interviews and I guess it will all come out post Nov 17.

[The Underdog]

Better now than during his tender, with Monty being to close to the club I would prefer Beveridge.
Still not sure why we have not interviewed other prospects.

How do we know they haven't? Just because it hasn't been reported doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
Also the withdrawal by a coach who knows he isn't getting the job is a pretty common move these days.


So Monty or Beveridge according to the article. Got to say that neither fills me with great confidence.
Not sure it's you that they want the new coach to fill with confidence. At least not initially.

[KT31]

How do we know they haven't? Just because it hasn't been reported doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
Also the withdrawal by a coach who knows he isn't getting the job is a pretty common move these days.


Not sure it's you that they want the new coach to fill with confidence. At least not initially.
Lose on the horses today mate ?;)

Don't know for sure and only going along with what the club has indicated and what has been reported.

How do you know Sumich wasn't getting the job and it is not personal reasons as stated ?

[chef]

I've wanted Monty from the start so I'll be very happy for him to get the gig.

[1eyedog]

I've wanted Monty from the start so I'll be very happy for him to get the gig.

Why Chef?

[chef]

Why Chef?

He sounds like he's highly rated by our hierarchy and players, has premiership experience and leadership of a team, has done a decent apprenticeship here and elsewhere. I could also add he's got Bulldog blood(not that that matters much), but I won't as it seems that's a bit taboo to some.

But hey I'm no expert with really zero knowledge of who's the best, he's just who I want to coach us.

[The Underdog]

Lose on the horses today mate ?;)

Don't know for sure and only going along with what the club has indicated and what has been reported.

How do you know Sumich wasn't getting the job and it is not personal reasons as stated ?

Don't really follow the horses, always preferred sport.
Sorry I didn't intend to come across as defensive, it's just that all the reporting seems to conflict with each other and as far as I can tell the club hasn't particularly indicated much. I'm not necessarily saying that Sumich hasn't withdrawn for the reason stated, but the trend is for prospective coaches to "withdraw" to guard against the view that they've missed out on a bunch of jobs.

[kruder]

It looks like slim pickings on the coaching front... I still remember Gordon saying that Macca was a great development coach but we now need someone to teach the boys how to win.

Monty/Beveridge are both unproven so not sure how they meet his requrement and it just shows you how much of the playing group Macca had lost for them to get rid of him with a significant lack of depth in the coaching ranks.

I just wish Worsfold was ready to coach again as I think he would be a perfect fit.

Its going to a lean few years with all the experience we have lost so will be interesting if this coach will be able to last the development faze....

[bornadog]

Sumich has just withdrawn. Apparently it is now a two horse race between Montgomery & Beveridge.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-dockers-assistant-peter-sumich-withdraws-from-western-bulldogs-coaching-race/story-fndv8h5w-1227112140250

That will make Scraggers happy.

[ratsmac]

It looks like slim pickings on the coaching front... I still remember Gordon saying that Macca was a great development coach but we now need someone to teach the boys how to win.

Monty/Beveridge are both unproven so not sure how they meet his requrement and it just shows you how much of the playing group Macca had lost for them to get rid of him with a significant lack of depth in the coaching ranks.

I just wish Worsfold was ready to coach again as I think he would be a perfect fit.

Its going to a lean few years with all the experience we have lost so will be interesting if this coach will be able to last the development faze....

Maybe this is the very reason why Worsfold doesn't want to apply. If we are going to have a lean couple of years it doesn't help a career coaches win/loss ratio.

[lemmon]

If that article is correct and we've already told Monty he will stay on as senior assistant I think Beveridge would have to be at seriously short odds. Seems no other reason to make that declaration except if we've made our decision and don't want to lose Monty from the club.

[bornadog]

If that article is correct and we've already told Monty he will stay on as senior assistant I think Beveridge would have to be at seriously short odds. Seems no other reason to make that declaration except if we've made our decision and don't want to lose Monty from the club.

I don't think Monty has the breadth of experience as an assistant as does some of the other assitants going around, like Tudor, Burns, and even Beveridge.

If Monty is any good and has potential, then I would like to see Williams come in as head coach and pass on the reins to Monty or even another young coach in say 3 years or so time.

This coaching selection is getting me increasingly nervous.

[Scraggers]

That will make Scraggers happy.


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[boydogs]

http://puu.sh/cCGKR/62adb26c7e.png

[hujsh]

So typically reliable? Or does he figure it's a 50/50 chance of getting it right and no one will remember if he got it wrong

[lemmon]

http://puu.sh/cCGKR/62adb26c7e.png

Is that a journo or? Never heard of him

[Twodogs]

It's that Rohan moron. He used to troll on BF. He carries on about being Syd or Gordon Coventry's grandson. Rohan CT = Rohan Coventry-Tateson, the name he used to post under.

[boydogs]

Thanks Twodogs

[F'scary]

If Beveridge gets the job, I am worried about how it will work with the losing candidate remaining as the assistant coach. Seems to me that there could be more trouble down the track if this is the outcome.

[G-Mo77]

Not sure it's you that they want the new coach to fill with confidence. At least not initially.

No they have to make sure I'm happy first. :p

I know very little about Beveridge, that's no fault of his, I just don't read much else outside our club. He hasn't been in the system that long, only 4 years at AFL level and only 2 of those as an assistant. Monty has done a 7 year apprenticeship (i think) but still I don't feel that confident.

I'm more confident with Monty than I would be Beveridge FWIW.

[KT31]

If Beveridge gets the job, I am worried about how it will work with the losing candidate remaining as the assistant coach. Seems to me that there could be more trouble down the track if this is the outcome.

Especially true if Monty did have a hand in B.Macs demise.

[F'scary]

Especially true if Monty did have a hand in B.Macs demise.

I was avoiding that one but agree with you 100% KT.

[azabob]

Didnt Plough bring down Joyce? That turned out ok.

[F'scary]

Didnt Plough bring down Joyce? That turned out ok.

Until he walked out.

[mighty_west]

How many "experienced" second or third time coaches have actually been successful in their 2nd/3rd stints?

I keep reading around the traps that we must go for an experienced coach, but given the age group of our list overall i believe we are right for a younger first timer to come in and continue developing the way we have especially over the past three years.

Joyce failed with us, Pagan with the Blues, Wallace at Richmond etc etc.

Those who'd like Williams or Woosha, or even Bomber Thompson, why would we be better off with one of those over a Beveridge or Montgomery or Tudor?

[G-Mo77]

The same question could be asked on choosing an untried coach over someone experienced. Everyone has their reasons to want one or the other.

I'm not concerned if they're untried or not as long as we've done all we could to get the best man for the job then I'm happy.

[Remi Moses]

I'm uncomfortable having monty as coach .
What on earth was he doing when this discontent was going on?
Probably a rhetorical question.

[Remi Moses]

How many "experienced" second or third time coaches have actually been successful in their 2nd/3rd stints?

I keep reading around the traps that we must go for an experienced coach, but given the age group of our list overall i believe we are right for a younger first timer to come in and continue developing the way we have especially over the past three years.

Joyce failed with us, Pagan with the Blues, Wallace at Richmond etc etc.

Those who'd like Williams or Woosha, or even Bomber Thompson, why would we be better off with one of those over a Beveridge or Montgomery or Tudor?

Spot on . They all have to start from somewhere.

[mighty_west]

This coaching selection is getting me increasingly nervous.

Why? Don't have faith in people with the experience in the game like Grant and Woosha making the right call?

[1eyedog]

Why? Don't have faith in people with the experience in the game like Grant and Woosha making the right call?

Did Grant and Harley make the right call on Macca?

[MrMahatma]

This feels like anyone who wants it can have it. The fact no experienced coaches are even in the running (apparently) says to me that no one wants to coach us. Probably fair enough. The last bloke got support one day and the knife the next.

I'd love Williams. The two candidates being spoken about I reckon it's splitting hairs. Just give it to one of them and move on.

[kruder]

How many "experienced" second or third time coaches have actually been successful in their 2nd/3rd stints?

I keep reading around the traps that we must go for an experienced coach, but given the age group of our list overall i believe we are right for a younger first timer to come in and continue developing the way we have especially over the past three years.

Joyce failed with us, Pagan with the Blues, Wallace at Richmond etc etc.

Those who'd like Williams or Woosha, or even Bomber Thompson, why would we be better off with one of those over a Beveridge or Montgomery or Tudor?

Our president seems to think we are past the development faze hence it would be surprising he would go for another untried coach.

[mighty_west]

Did Grant and Harley make the right call on Macca?

I believe they did, whilst he only lasted a few years you only look at the types of players brought in and type of contested win own ball game plans set in place, plus given the lack of experience with alot of the list was probably right for the teacher style of his coaching.

When Macca was brought in I just wonder what a more experienced coach would have done to the side regarding trades etc if they were not quite as patient with development and results.

[mighty_west]

Our president seems to think we are past the development faze hence it would be surprising he would go for another untried coach.

Whilst I think PG is fantastic, he does say alot of things.

[azabob]

Did Grant and Harley make the right call on Macca?

Gee don't open that debate again!

[westdog54]

How many "experienced" second or third time coaches have actually been successful in their 2nd/3rd stints?

I keep reading around the traps that we must go for an experienced coach, but given the age group of our list overall i believe we are right for a younger first timer to come in and continue developing the way we have especially over the past three years.

Joyce failed with us, Pagan with the Blues, Wallace at Richmond etc etc.

Those who'd like Williams or Woosha, or even Bomber Thompson, why would we be better off with one of those over a Beveridge or Montgomery or Tudor?

The only ones I can really think of in recent history are Matthews, Malthouse and Parkin. And lets face it, they were the cream of the crop. Even Malthouse is struggling at the moment and the game had caught up with Matthews by the time he was done. Parkin moved into the role that Eddie McGuire envisaged for Mick Malthouse and then retired without fanfare.

[azabob]

The only ones I can really think of in recent history are Matthews, Malthouse and Parkin. And lets face it, they were the cream of the crop. Even Malthouse is struggling at the moment and the game had caught up with Matthews by the time he was done. Parkin moved into the role that Eddie McGuire envisaged for Mick Malthouse and then retired without fanfare.

You could also add Blight and the Crows to that list, but perhaps that is best being left unsaid...

[westdog54]

You could also add Blight and the Crows to that list, but perhaps that is best being left unsaid...

True.

It was his third stint at coaching that made me miss him...

[Rocket Science]

I just wish Worsfold was ready to coach again as I think he would be a perfect fit.

Fanciful musing out loud...

Maybe. Just maybe, Worsfold's already got the gig and he's currently helping to choose his eventual successor?

I did say fanciful.

[hujsh]

Did Grant and Harley make the right call on Macca?

Worsfold would have to be a better member than Harley. An actual coach would surely know what to look for more than a captain who moved into the media

[ratsmac]

Worsfold would have to be a better member than Harley. An actual coach would surely know what to look for more than a captain who moved into the media

Yeah I agree. I think we had Robert Walls on the selection panel when we appointed Eade from memory. Eade turned out to be pretty good I'd say. I don't think much of Robert Walls to be honest because he is so opionated at times but like you said, an ex coach knows what is required and would know the right personality for the top job.

[Axe Man]

Peter Sumich reportedly withdraws from Bulldogs coaching race (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/peter-sumich-reportedly-withdraws-from-bulldogs-coaching-race-20141104-11gp0g.html)

Fremantle assistant coach and former star West Coast full-forward Peter Sumich has reportedly pulled out of the race to be the Western Bulldogs' senior coach.

Radio 6PR analyst and News Limited reporter Kim Hagdorn told Mornings with Gary Adshead that Sumich had withdrawn his candidacy because of family reasons.

Sumich has teenage children attending university and high school in Perth.

"Peter Sumich has withdrawn from the race to get the Western Bulldogs job. He's been so determined to become a senior coach and yet he's withdrawn," Hagdorn said.

"The [Sumich] family decided if you get it [the Bulldogs job] - which they all wanted him to do - the family was going to stay in Perth. I don't think that suited Peter. I don't think he wanted to go through it and so he remains committed to Fremantle."

Sumich was due to be interviewed for the position at the Bulldogs today.

The 46-year-old played 150 games and kicked 517 goals with West Coast between 1989 and 1997.

He coached South Fremantle into the 2001 WAFL grand final before moving to an assistant's position at West Coast under John Worsfold.

In a surprise move he left that role after the 2011 season to join Ross Lyon's staff at Fremantle.

Sumich had come close to getting senior roles previously, notably being edged out as Essendon coach by Matthew Knights in 2008 and then losing out to Adam Simpson in the race for the head gig at West Coast last year.

The Bulldogs' coaching role has been vacant since last month, when the club parted ways with Brendan McCartney - the day after captain Ryan Griffen requested a trade to Greater Western Sydney.

Griffen subsequent joined the Giants, in a move that helped the Dogs land highly-rated youngster Tom Boyd.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Bullet dodged if he can't even organise his own family before applying for a senior coaching job.

[bulldogtragic]

So he was told no and is trying to spin it... Like a kid who gets dumped and tells their friends they broke it off.

[Doc26]

Bullet dodged if he can't even organise his own family before applying for a senior coaching job.

Agree.

I did have a chuckle at the quote "Peter Sumich has withdrawn from the race to get the Western Bulldogs job. He's been so determined to become a senior coach and yet he's withdrawn,"

Yep, really determined Mr. Sumich.

[Jeanette54]

Perhaps someone mentioned that Danny Southern and Doug Hawkins were on the selection committee.

[Pickenitup]

Stevo has news on this tonight on Channel seven.
Has two pics on his twitter one of Monty and a rather funny pic of Darce.

[The bulldog tragician]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/luke-beveridge-firming-as-next-western-bulldogs-coach/story-fni5fazt-1227113878451

Beveridge now the favourite, it seems ...

[chef]

So we haven't sat down with him yet?

Seems we are still a while away from deciding.

[G-Mo77]

There is an announcement at 10:45 today. I'm only assuming it's about the coach but it could be something completely different. It's in Ballarat so it may be something to do with the location.

[1eyedog]

So we haven't sat down with him yet?

Seems we are still a while away from deciding.

Yeah strange that he is the front runner yet is still overseas. I think a fair bit of this is media beat up based on industry innuendo. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see the club pull a rabbit out of the hat to be honest.

Re. Ballarat would it just be the promo announcement of the new relationship with Council?

[G-Mo77]

Yeah strange that he is the front runner yet is still overseas. I think a fair bit of this is media beat up based on industry innuendo. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see the club pull a rabbit out of the hat to be honest.

Re. Ballarat would it just be the promo announcement of the new relationship with Council?

That, captaincy or coach. All 3 would be nice :)

[bornadog]

I think a fair bit of this is media beat up based on industry innuendo.

I think so as well. Beveridge hasn't even presented and interviewed as far as we know so how can he be the front runner.

[LostDoggy]

That, captaincy or coach. All 3 would be nice :)

The players listed to be at the press conference being Murphy, Libba, Wallis, Dahl, Roughy and Clay Smith makes me think it could be captain related.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The players listed to be at the press conference being Murphy, Libba, Wallis, Dahl, Roughy and Clay Smith makes me think it could be captain related.

Its to announce a partnership with Ballarat.....any other news would be a sidetopic

[Webby]

Its to announce a partnership with Ballarat.....any other news would be a sidetopic

Yep. They'll surely leave the appointment of a captain to the new coach, whilst it is too soon on the coach himself. Smart move by the club to manipulate the media into covering the Ballarat thing en masse - just in case!

[bornadog]

2 Weeks

Gordon also indicated that a decision would be made on the new Bulldogs coach within two weeks.

[Happy Days]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-79i2O_us

[The Underdog]

Interesting read from Rohan Connolly on Beveridge and the changes in coaching appointments generally.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/luke-beveridge-emerges-from-shadows-to-be-in-frame-for-western-bulldogs-coaching-job-20141106-11i3b6.html

[bornadog]

So far we haven't heard about guys like Tudor, Burns, Kingsley and whether they have been interviewed or even if they are interested?

Are there any other assistants out there that can take on the role?

[Mofra]

But those who've worked closely with him say Beveridge's greatest assets are in his character. He's seen as a great relationship builder, a good manager who can persuade those under him to toe the line with encouragement rather than a sledgehammer, and he's his own man, not afraid to offer a differing opinion.
Makes for interesting reading given recent events.

[The Underdog]

So far we haven't heard about guys like Tudor, Burns, Kingsley and whether they have been interviewed or even if they are interested?

Are there any other assistants out there that can take on the role?

Garlick on 3AW yesterday was really stressing the confidentiality of the process and giving nothing away. While this isn't great for fans I imagine the ability to keep information in house would be appreciated by the candidates.

[1eyedog]

Garlick on 3AW yesterday was really stressing the confidentiality of the process and giving nothing away. While this isn't great for fans I imagine the ability to keep information in house would be appreciated by the candidates.

Be a bummer for Beveridge if Monty gets it.

[Axe Man]

Will Monty stick around and work under Beveridge if Luke (or any other candidate) gets the job? Would be a shame to lose him as he is a highly rated assistant and obviously very familiar with the playing group.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Anyone know when Beveridge gets back to Melbourne city? We may have told him to enjoy his holiday and not rush back for an interview, considering the stresses of the job once you take the reins.

[Axe Man]

Anyone know when Beveridge gets back to Melbourne city? We may have told him to enjoy his holiday and not rush back for an interview, considering the stresses of the job once you take the reins.

From a Herald Sun article earlier in the week:


Beveridge has spent about three weeks on a family holiday in the United States but the Herald Sun believes he is due back on Monday

[ledge]

So the media has made him favourite and he hasn't even been in the country the last 3 weeks.
Wish I knew a place that would give me a job while I'm on holidays.

[bulldogtragic]

I hope we get this done soon, head coaches deserve a say in draft recruiting. I'd hate to think they pitch a game plan and view of the list only to have sufficient input into draft recruiting.

[F'scary]

So the media has made him favourite and he hasn't even been in the country the last 3 weeks.
Wish I knew a place that would give me a job while I'm on holidays.

Drive a bus!

[jeemak]

I hope we get this done soon, head coaches deserve a say in draft recruiting. I'd hate to think they pitch a game plan and view of the list only to have sufficient input into draft recruiting.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Any budding senior coach with aspirations to coach us will have plenty of information at their disposal, probably more than we do to be fair.

We also have a list manager that will have done enough planning to get anyone coming into the role up to speed with what's available.

[Remi Moses]

Pretty certain they'd have a video type hookup .

[bulldogtragic]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Any budding senior coach with aspirations to coach us will have plenty of information at their disposal, probably more than we do to be fair.

We also have a list manager that will have done enough planning to get anyone coming into the role up to speed with what's available.

Not losing any sleep, but you can see Macca's influence in our list management. Presumably our team has been looking at the draft with Macca Goggles so it might have had an underlying presumption about players as players, and those players fitting into the list, the gameplan and future. If the new coach has a different perspective and gameplan the information from our team to them could be conceivably unwittingly inaccurate. It was the very significant criticism of St Kilda that they didn't give the new coach transition time in before the draft. I'm not meaning it a criticism or slight on anyone, but I think it prudent that the coach have as much possible time before draft to test underlying thinking of players against their thoughts and plans, since the club has picked another head coach.

[jeemak]

Not losing any sleep, but you can see Macca's influence in our list management. Presumably our team has been looking at the draft with Macca Goggles so it might have had an underlying presumption about players as players, and those players fitting into the list, the gameplan and future. If the new coach has a different perspective and gameplan the information from our team to them could be conceivably unwittingly inaccurate. It was the very significant criticism of St Kilda that they didn't give the new coach transition time in before the draft. I'm not meaning it a criticism or slight on anyone, but I think it prudent that the coach have as much possible time before draft to test underlying thinking of players against their thoughts and plans, since the club has picked another head coach.

Conversely, you could say the list management and recruiting side of our club might benefit from not having McCartney influencing them coming into this drafting period.

List management from our perspective has to be one of the easiest games in the caper to play post the trade period. Our weaknesses are obvious, and our strengths are as well.

The brief should be to bring on as much running and skilled talent that can be found with the picks we have, and if we can get some tall defenders beyond Zaine we're in a good spot. The structural issues we have when it comes to defence have been well noted, but mitigated by the acquisition of Hamling, so it's not an issue for us to get strategic in that area - in light of having Roberts and Tahlia - until next year.

[Cyberdoggie]

Conversely, you could say the list management and recruiting side of our club might benefit from not having McCartney influencing them coming into this drafting period.

List management from our perspective has to be one of the easiest games in the caper to play post the trade period. Our weaknesses are obvious, and our strengths are as well.

The brief should be to bring on as much running and skilled talent that can be found with the picks we have, and if we can get some tall defenders beyond Zaine we're in a good spot. The structural issues we have when it comes to defence have been well noted, but mitigated by the acquisition of Hamling, so it's not an issue for us to get strategic in that area - in light of having Roberts and Tahlia - until next year.

I've been watching a few U.S. sports movies lately like Moneyball and Draft Day, and one thing that stood out was how little input the head coach has in selecting players. The manager does all the drafting, trading, list management, and basically builds the squad for the coach to work with.

[bornadog]

I've been watching a few U.S. sports movies lately like Moneyball and Draft Day, and one thing that stood out was how little input the head coach has in selecting players. The manager does all the drafting, trading, list management, and basically builds the squad for the coach to work with.

Eade use to say pretty much the same thing. He did say he was given highlight tapes of draft picks they were looking at for his opinion. So he had some input, but pretty much left it to the recruiters.

[jeemak]

Eade use to say pretty much the same thing. He did say he was given highlight tapes of draft picks they were looking at for his opinion. So he had some input, but pretty much left it to the recruiters.

I actually wonder how well Eade could have done with the recruiting and management structure we have in place at our club now, compared to the lean set up we had when he was in charge.

There's not doubt in my mind he would have benefited from a more rigid recruiting process as a coach.

[GVGjr]

Eade use to say pretty much the same thing. He did say he was given highlight tapes of draft picks they were looking at for his opinion. So he had some input, but pretty much left it to the recruiters.

It's actually the wrong approach. AFL coaches need to be across drafts and trades as it directly shapes their future.
At the end of the playing season it's time for the coach to switch into focusing on getting the trade period right and then working with the recruiting team to have a great understanding of how they rank the players. I know they can't micro manage it but they shouldn't distance themselves from it either.

[Greystache]

It's actually the wrong approach. AFL coaches need to be across drafts and trades as it directly shapes their future.
At the end of the playing season it's time for the coach to switch into focusing on getting the trade period right and then working with the recruiting team to have a great understanding of how they rank the players. I know they can't micro manage it but they shouldn't distance themselves from it either.

Agreed. It's the wrong approach and is more about deflecting blame should the players selected not work out. It's no surprise that the recruiting during the Eade era being amongst the worst in the club's history. Our recruiting improved dramatically under McCartney, he had a lot of involvement in the selection of players, including going to the homes of up to 40 potential players to interview them and their families directlyand attending games.

We saw far fewer dud selections of players with poor attitudes like Grant, Everitt, O'Keefe, Boumann, Hill etc

[GVGjr]

Agreed. It's the wrong approach and is more about deflecting blame should the players selected not work out. It's no surprise that the recruiting during the Eade era being amongst the worst in the club's history. Our recruiting improved dramatically under McCartney, he had a lot of involvement in the selection of players, including going to the homes of up to 40 potential players to interview them and their families directlyand attending games.

We saw far fewer dud selections of players with poor attitudes like Grant, Everitt, O'Keefe, Boumann, Hill etc

Look at what Paul Roos did at the Swans and now at Melbourne. While he might not know all the names of the likely draft selections this year he goes to each trade period willing to listen to good offers which sets up the position his teams will be selecting from.

Coaches can't just sit back and take a back seat. As I said before, they can't micro manage the recruitment process but they can ask enough questions and shape the process.

[China Dog]

I'm really warming to the idea of Luke Beverage as our senior coach. At 44 years of age he is young enough to relate well with the younger players but mature enough to handle all the responsibilities of the role. He was a player with somewhat limited ability,but made the most of this at three clubs (including the Bulldogs) and he seems to be in the Malthouse, Sheedy, Clarkson, Hinkley mould. He has had success in the Amateurs with his own team, St Bedes Mentone (three premierships in three years) and was at Collingwood in 2010, when they were AFL premiers. His last two years have been at Hawthorn, under Clarkson, another role in a successful period for the Hawks. As a coach he has lived and breathed success and we need this type of influence at our club. He should be given free reign to choose his own coaching team, with the only proviso that Gia be kept on in a development role. Gia can be the immediate link to the players for Beveridge in this early days with the Dogs. Can't wait until he starts with us, assuming he wants the job and the Club is willing to look to a successful outsider and not in-house at the easy option.

[F'scary]

I'm really warming to the idea of Luke Beverage as our senior coach. At 44 years of age he is young enough to relate well with the younger players but mature enough to handle all the responsibilities of the role. He was a player with somewhat limited ability,but made the most of this at three clubs (including the Bulldogs) and he seems to be in the Malthouse, Sheedy, Clarkson, Hinkley mould. He has had success in the Amateurs with his own team, St Bedes Mentone (three premierships in three years) and was at Collingwood in 2010, when they were AFL premiers. His last two years have been at Hawthorn, under Clarkson, another role in a successful period for the Hawks. As a coach he has lived and breathed success and we need this type of influence at our club. He should be given free reign to choose his own coaching team, with the only proviso that Gia be kept on in a development role. Gia can be the immediate link to the players for Beveridge in this early days with the Dogs. Can't wait until he starts with us, assuming he wants the job and the Club is willing to look to a successful outsider and not in-house at the easy option.

Any thoughts on the future of Montgomery if Beveridge gets the gig?

[Bulldog4life]

Any thoughts on the future of Montgomery if Beveridge gets the gig?

Monty has been assured that his job is safe if he misses the main gig.

[bornadog]

Monty has been assured that his job is safe if he misses the main gig.

I guess the point is does he want to stay if he doesn't get it.

[BulldogBelle]

I guess the point is does he want to stay if he doesn't get it.

What if they simply don't like each other?
That would not be a good enviroment to be around.

[Scorlibo]

Monty seems like a good Bulldogs man. I'm guessing they've told him that even if he doesn't get the top job, he'll play a big role next year.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Sounds increasingly likely that Beveridge will be announced coach and a coaching director will be appointed also. That person will have prior AFL coaching experience. Reading between lines it sounds as though a senior coach wont be the only coaching change - the whole framework could be redone. Expect an announcement Thursday

[azabob]

Sounds increasingly likely that Beveridge will be announced coach and a coaching director will be appointed also. That person will have prior AFL coaching experience. Reading between lines it sounds as though a senior coach wont be the only coaching change - the whole framework could be redone. Expect an announcement Thursday

You sound very confident, a matter of fact, in your statement for a Thursday announcement. A hunch or?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

You sound very confident, a matter of fact, in your statement for a Thursday announcement. A hunch or?
Expected an announcement by friday (as said by the club) but this morning i've heard it will be thursday. I have no idea who it will be or anything though. that is all reading between the lines

[bornadog]

Sounds increasingly likely that Beveridge will be announced coach and a coaching director will be appointed also. That person will have prior AFL coaching experience. Reading between lines it sounds as though a senior coach wont be the only coaching change - the whole framework could be redone. Expect an announcement Thursday

Not sure where a coaching director would fit in? Would all the coaches report to them and then he reports to Football Manager?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Not sure where a coaching director would fit in? Would all the coaches report to them and then he reports to Football Manager?

i believe so. different titles thrown around but effectively would be seen in a similar role to what Bomber was to Hird and Eade to Buckley

[Cyberdoggie]

So wasn't Beveridge going to be the coaching director at the saints?

So if he gets the job as coach of the bulldogs, does someone who was going to be a coaching director need
a director of coaching to report to?

[Twodogs]

Not sure where a coaching director would fit in? Would all the coaches report to them and then he reports to Football Manager?

My take is that he watches the coach's back and provides advice. Technically he is the line manager of the coach but it's more like an author/editor thing I guess. He's the coach's eyes and ears amongst the players, board room and all the other places that can bring a coach grief. Mentoring and running interference.

I like the idea. Divide the tactical and steatergy side and leave it to a young fresh mind while an old head handles the rest of the guff that comes with being a senior coach while keeping an eye out for the coach.

[Remi Moses]

My take is that he watches the coach's back and provides advice. Technically he is the line manager of the coach but it's more like an author/editor thing I guess. He's the coach's eyes and ears amongst the players, board room and all the other places that can bring a coach grief. Mentoring and running interference.

I like the idea. Divide the tactical and steatergy side and leave it to a young fresh mind while an old head handles the rest of the guff that comes with being a senior coach while keeping an eye out for the coach.


Would EPL

It's the sort of appointment that if we get it right we will b

Arsene Wenger available soon Two?

[chef]

Arsene Wenger available soon Two?

No thanks.

[Twodogs]

Arsene Wenger available soon Two?


Hopefully.


I was thinking that English soccer was the best analogy for the model I'm thinking of. The division of duties would be roughly similar but the coach would be the Ian man, unlike the Manager in soccer.

[josie]

I was thinking Balme for senior mentor if we have a junior coach, however it looks like Pies have him. Pity cause I like him and think he is a good operator and calming influence.

I know Neil Craig has been mentioned (although we are not sure whether as coach or mentor). Anyone else other than Craig? (Ayres, Wallace.....).

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I was thinking Balme for senior mentor if we have a junior coach, however it looks like Pies have him. Pity cause I like him and think he is a good operator and calming influence.

I know Neil Craig has been mentioned (although we are not sure whether as coach or mentor). Anyone else other than Craig? (Ayres, Wallace.....).

Maybe we can't afford not to have a coach mentor, because we may have avoided problems during McCartney's tenure and many clubs are now appointing them. But can we afford one, have we got the finances; they must be on head coach type wages?

[Twodogs]

I was thinking Balme for senior mentor if we have a junior coach, however it looks like Pies have him. Pity cause I like him and think he is a good operator and calming influence.

I know Neil Craig has been mentioned (although we are not sure whether as coach or mentor). Anyone else other than Craig? (Ayres, Wallace.....).


Balme would have been the perfect fit for Bmac. I was really keen on the idea of making a play for Balme a couple of years ago but that horse has bolted now.

I would think Craig would be a bad fit. I think he still craves a senior job.


Ayres could be good. What about Dean Laidley?

[jazzadogs]

Balme would have been the perfect fit for Bmac. I was really keen on the idea of making a play for Balme a couple of years ago but that horse has bolted now.

I would think Craig would be a bad fit. I think he still craves a senior job.


Ayres could be good. What about Dean Laidley?

How about Worsfold as Director of Coaching? Hopefully we can have a positive impact during the interview process, use it as our sales pitch, and he'll jump on board.

On Beveridge, a mate worked with him at Collingwood and said he's "a premiership coach waiting to happen."

"Players loved him, staff loved him, everyone still speaks really highly of him. Relates to the average player as well as he does the stars. Really positive attitude enthusiastic without being over the top...the sort of guy you want to play for. Montgomery would be a step backwards from what I've heard."

I really trust this friends opinion, and based on that I'd be very happy if we were to grab Beveridge.

[Go_Dogs]

Balme is going to Collingwood?! He's the exact guy who would have been great to bring in some capacity.

[josie]

Thanks Jazzadogs.

Imminent appointment of Beveridge sounding more and more like it's the best choice.

It would be marvellous if Worsfold wanted to live in Melbourne and become mentor.

Who should be backline coach? I think this one is crucial. If Beveridge is main coach he will want a big say in who it is, seeing as backline seems like his forte.

I really like Hanson - speaks well and seems very knowledgeable. Perhaps he will be our forward line coach.

[GVGjr]

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According to Channel 7's Mark Stevens and Tom Browne the Western Bulldogs are apparently circling current Essendon General Manager of Performance Neil Craig for a Director of Coaching Role with the club.

[chef]

Good news, we seem a little behind the times with our appointments. I guess our lack of wealth has a lot to do with this though.

[S Coast Simon]

Beverigde took a team from C grade premier to B grade premier to A grade premier in three straight years at ametures level. To do this you must be able to coach. From all reports he is a great communicator and a very good coach in the making. Wouldn't be the worst choice out there.

[Twodogs]

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According to Channel 7's Mark Stevens and Tom Browne the Western Bulldogs are apparently circling current Essendon General Manager of Performance Neil Craig for a Director of Coaching Role with the club.


I do not like it Sam I Am.

[Go_Dogs]

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According to Channel 7's Mark Stevens and Tom Browne the Western Bulldogs are apparently circling current Essendon General Manager of Performance Neil Craig for a Director of Coaching Role with the club.

I don't mind this. Craig has a wealth of knowledge and experience, and although he never quite got the Crows to the top of the mountain, he'd be a good sounding board for a young coach to have.

[GVGjr]

I don't mind this. Craig has a wealth of knowledge and experience, and although he never quite got the Crows to the top of the mountain, he'd be a good sounding board for a young coach to have.

Our interest in Craig for a Director of Coaching role might also be a strong indication that we are going for a younger coach.

[1eyedog]

I do not like it Sam I Am.

Why don't you like green eggs and ham?

[Bulldog Revolution]

Our interest in Craig for a Director of Coaching role might also be a strong indication that we are going for a younger coach.

The idea of supporting a younger coach with an experienced person makes perfect sense

Would Craig move if he isn't our number 1 man?

A Beveridge, Monty, Craig trio would seem a good ticket

[GVGjr]

The idea of supporting a younger coach with an experienced person makes perfect sense

Would Craig move if he isn't our number 1 man?

A Beveridge, Monty, Craig trio would seem a good ticket

Further speculation by the Hun is not ruling out Craig for the senior role.

I think Craig is the most articulate and impressive of the coaches or coaches in waiting given the way he responds to all media questions. I heard him talking about Hird and Thompson a couple of weeks ago and explaining that Harvey was joining the team and he was very impressive.
At the moment I'm guessing that if it's not Beveridge then maybe it's Craig for 2 years before handing it over to Monty and taking up the director of coaching role.