Tom Boyd requests trade from GWS to Bulldogs

[Rocket Science]

As per AFL trade radio ...

[wimberga]

official - http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2014-10-13/boyd-wants-to-be-a-bulldog

"The Western Bulldogs confirm that we have been informed by Tom Boyd’s management, Precision Sports and Entertainment Group, that he will seek a trade from Greater Western Sydney to continue his career with the Western Bulldogs.

The Western Bulldogs have communicated to GWS that we are prepared to achieve this outcome through a direct trade for Ryan Griffen.

We will now work with the Giants to do a fair deal in the interests of all parties during the trade period"

[LostDoggy]

Omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omh omgvb:mhbk<hyh<pl<jn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

First bit of good news in a while.

[GVGjr]

We had to do it. It signals to GWS we are serious to get something great for Griffen

[Jam Donuts]

First bit of good news in a while.

The best news in years, get Boyd here and we can then attract some other young guns, this is the best news.

[LostDoggy]

After a gut wrenching 4 days, I am finally smiling again! Make it happen dogs!

[Rocket Science]

The Giants immediately tweeting Boyd will not be traded "under any circumstances".

Let the posturing begin.

Safe to assume it's going to be Griffen + ?

But what exactly?

[Topdog]

Get it done, get it done, get it done.

[always right]

Believe it when I see it.

[Ghost Dog]

Well as Griff's situation indicated, If a player does not want to play for club, it usually means they will be traded. So I am very, very hopeful this gets done.

If it does, I hope this is remembered as the 'Griffen / McCartney trade'.

[Mantis]

The Giants immediately tweeting Boyd will not be traded "under any circumstances".

Let the posturing begin.

Safe to assume it's going to be Griffen + ?

But what exactly?

4... We would need a sweetener.

[G-Mo77]

Good news. Now lets get it done.

[jeemak]

Griffen and a player would be what they'd want. Losing Boyd would mean they need to draft another KPP this year so pick 4 will be out of the equation.

[LostDoggy]

Too good to be true. I think they mean that Griff goes to GWS and we can sign Matty Boyd to another year extension.

[mighty_west]

I believe we now get 4 and 7 at the very least if GWS just flat out refuse to let Boyd go.

[firstdogonthemoon]

I knew it would all work out in the end... O_o

[Greystache]

GWS on AFL website saying they won't trade Tom Boyd under any circumstances.

They say they've told the Bulldogs that already.


"We have been clear with them that despite any speculation or interest, Tom Boyd will not be traded under any circumstances, Giants CEO David Matthews said in a statement,

"With pick four and potentially another high first-round selection we are confident we are in a strong trade position as we enter the week."

[GVGjr]

We have had a decent whack back at them. Get serious or get stuffed.

[Doc26]

official - http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2014-10-13/boyd-wants-to-be-a-bulldog

"The Western Bulldogs confirm that we have been informed by Tom Boyd’s management, Precision Sports and Entertainment Group, that he will seek a trade from Greater Western Sydney to continue his career with the Western Bulldogs.

The Western Bulldogs have communicated to GWS that we are prepared to achieve this outcome through a direct trade for Ryan Griffen.

We will now work with the Giants to do a fair deal in the interests of all parties during the trade period"

But can we get that dirty, stinking GWS jumper off our homepage. We need some photoshop work from our creative team to quickly place Boydy Mark 2 in our tri-colours.

[chef]

We have had a decent whack back at them. Get serious or get stuffed.

Finally something to smile about.

[GVGjr]

I believe we now get 4 and 7 at the very least if GWS just flat out refuse to let Boyd go.

Yep, we have certainly turned up the volume. Crank it up

[craigsahibee]

Griffen and Pick 6 for Boyd. I reckon I'd take that.

[G-Mo77]

Griffen and Pick 6 for Boyd. I reckon I'd take that.

With their 19 is the rumor. I think we should ask for more.

[GVGjr]

Griffen and Pick 6 for Boyd. I reckon I'd take that.

Not so quickly, a sweetener maybe not the whole sugar bowl

[LostDoggy]

I'm sure this is legit, we would have simply made him an offer too good to refuse. Now for the trade, I'll go with Griffen & 5 for Boyd and 7...........sold, and legitimately fair IMO. GWS have a glut of KPF and there is no way they can afford to keep them all, this trade will get up!

[Mofra]

We have had a decent whack back at them. Get serious or get stuffed.
Via Twitter or another source?

Trade Week just got very interesting

[GVGjr]

Via Twitter or another source?

Trade Week just got very interesting

Just my comments

[always right]

Being the eternal pessimist I am with anything related to our club, I'm hopeful that we get the right outcome rather than confident.

What a filip this would be to us in our period of darkness (dramatic enough?)

I'm not religious but if this comes off I'll commit to Sunday church for the next 12 months in thanks to whatever god is responsible.

[LostDoggy]

I little bit of sunshine just poked through the clouds...

Make this happen.

[Eze Dog]

I'd only be happy with a straight swap.

[Hot_Doggies]

I'd only be happy with a straight swap.

Ya reckon??

Not sure if GWS would be…….

[G-Mo77]

Ya reckon??

Not sure if GWS would be…….

He is still unproven at this stage. The rumor is we're doing 6+Griffen for Boyd and 9. I think we can do better.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Ya reckon??

Not sure if GWS would be…….

we only want to do a direct swap it appears. Pick 6 and Griffen is overs for an unproven Boyd IMO. Pick 6 and Griffen for Boyd and 19 id take

[Ozza]

He is still unproven at this stage. The rumor is we're doing 6+Griffen for Boyd and 9. I think we can do better.

Do you mean 19? Or am I missing something with regard to GWS' picks?

[GVGjr]

He is still unproven at this stage. The rumor is we're doing 6+Griffen for Boyd and 9. I think we can do better.

It's speculation not really a rumor. If we were to do something like that we would also need to get a good player to balance it.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

This is breathtaking. I can't bear to look, the suspense...Griffen and whoever must have known about this, which changes everything.

[EasternWest]

We have had a decent whack back at them. Get serious or get stuffed.

Holy crap this is massive. I love that we're going to take it to them.

I love that he wants to come to us. I love Tom Boyd. I love this club. I love everything.

I may be prematurely worked up over this.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Awesome news. Great to stick it straight back to GWS - this will REALLY hurt them, particularly given Patton is cooked.

Love it.

I would keep 6 at all costs though. Happy to do Griffen & player/second round pick.

[Bulldog4life]

Being the eternal pessimist I am with anything related to our club, I'm hopeful that we get the right outcome rather than confident.

What a filip this would be to us in our period of darkness (dramatic enough?)

I'm not religious but if this comes off I'll commit to Sunday church for the next 12 months in thanks to whatever god is responsible.

You are going to be late for all those Sunday games.

[Eze Dog]

It sounds like the Dogs are vying for a straight trade in their statement which makes me happy. "The Western Bulldogs have communicated to GWS that we are prepared to achieve this outcome through a direct trade for Ryan Griffen," a club statement read.

[whythelongface]

This is breathtaking. I can't bear to look, the suspense...Griffen and whoever must have known about this, which changes everything.

Do you really think so? I would very much doubt that would even have been a consideration.

[whythelongface]

It sounds like the Dogs are vying for a straight trade in their statement which makes me happy. "The Western Bulldogs have communicated to GWS that we are prepared to achieve this outcome through a direct trade for Ryan Griffen," a club statement read.

I definitely would be happy with that. Think GWS would want more.

[BulldogBelle]

Fantastic news.
I have been on a high since l heard the news.
We have a very good bargaining chip to play now.

[bornadog]

Griffen worth more than straight swap, Boyd unproven so we want Boyd plus pick 4.

[LostDoggy]

We have started at a straight swap, they have started at not trading under any circumstances.

We shall meet in the mdidle somewhere :)

[Doc26]

Holy crap this is massive. I love that we're going to take it to them.

I love that he wants to come to us. I love Tom Boyd. I love this club. I love everything.

I may be prematurely worked up over this.

And I love Ryan Griffen again.

[1eyedog]

GWS on AFL website saying they won't trade Tom Boyd under any circumstances.

They say they've told the Bulldogs that already.

Similar to what PG was saying about Griff last week. He's a required player and will be seeing out his contract...

[Hot_Doggies]

This is breathtaking. I can't bear to look, the suspense...Griffen and whoever must have known about this, which changes everything.

Gotta take your hat of to Griff, ruined his reputation and got Macca sacked to help with the Tom Boyd deal....

Class act!

[G-Mo77]

Do you mean 19? Or am I missing something with regard to GWS' picks?
Yep. Sorry. Pick 19 as GVG said just speculation.

[EasternWest]

And I love Ryan Griffen again.

I never stopped loving him. It's like that lecture from your Dad that was the worst one of all: "I'm not angry at you son, I'm just disappointed."

Honestly I'd be amazed if we got a straight swap. I'm sure my opinion will be disagreed with but I think that with the comparative stages of their careers, in my mind Boyd simply holds more value, which gives them greater leverage.

I hope I'm reading it wrong, but that's the way I see it.

Holy crap having Tom Boyd could be like the second coming.

[Ozza]

I don't think we can expect a straight swap. We will have to sweeten it some way.

Tom Boyd is in high demand. Last years no.1 pick, 200cm+ key forward who (potentially) becomes a franchise player.

Regardless of him being unproven, he is a rare commodity, and a 10+ year player.

There is no way on an open market, that Griffen is worth as much or more than Tom Boyd. It might seem crazy when you look at Griffen's career output - but its the reality.

If we get the deal done for a straight swap - it is a terrific deal.

[jeemak]

Griffen worth more than straight swap, Boyd unproven so we want Boyd plus pick 4.

I can't see that happening.

Nobody would swap pick one for Griffen, so I don't see how we'd secure last year's pick one plus pick four for Griffen.

[always right]

Griffen worth more than straight swap, Boyd unproven so we want Boyd plus pick 4.

You're dreaming.

[1eyedog]

we only want to do a direct swap it appears. Pick 6 and Griffen is overs for an unproven Boyd IMO. Pick 6 and Griffen for Boyd and 19 id take

He was touted as a once in a generation forward prospect. Pick 6 and Griffen is what it may take to get it over the line and I'd nearly take it.

[bulldogtragic]

And people thought I was being silly last night...

[1eyedog]

And I love Ryan Griffen again.

If we get Boyd I reckon Griff will get a massive cheer every time he touches the ball when we play them next year.

[bornadog]

You're dreaming.

I am a dreamer :D

You have to start high with any negotiations.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

He was touted as a once in a generation forward prospect. Pick 6 and Griffen is what it may take to get it over the line and I'd nearly take it.

if thats what it take then id say no. go with 4 + 7 instead (if thats what the other offer is). dont want to put all eggs in one basket

[1eyedog]

And people thought I was being silly last night...

Are you JMac?

[soupman]

This is so exciting. Please make it happen. I fear what will happen to our supporter group should this awesome news evaporate into another failure in a week of failures.

[bulldogtragic]

Are you JMac?

Not quite, but I am good, just ask me. :)

[1eyedog]

if thats what it take then id say no. go with 4 + 7 instead (if thats what the other offer is). dont want to put all eggs in one basket

Touch choice that one. I'm so happy that we got up off the mat post Ward and now Griffen and not only held our own but finally delivered a knock out blow to them. Very satisfying.

[KT31]

Griffen worth more than straight swap, Boyd unproven so we want Boyd plus pick 4.

What about Boyd and Tutt for Boyd and 19 ?

[always right]

Touch choice that one. I'm so happy that we got up off the mat post Ward and now Griffen and not only held our own but finally delivered a knock out blow to them. Very satisfying.

Wouldn't describe it as a knock-out blow just yet. He may change his mind.....and I don't want the board to go into meltdown if he does.

[Happy Days]

Great news; he must have heard about our strong drug culture.

Griffen and 6 for Boyd and WHE if we can't get the straight swap done.

[LostDoggy]

I think even if this doesn't happen, we'll still end up with a good result with the pics they'll potentially give us

[soupman]

I think even if this doesn't happen, we'll still end up with a good result with the pics they'll potentially give us

Who are the pictures of? Not another Celebrity scandal is it?

[LostDoggy]

Who are the pictures of? Not another Celebrity scandal is it?

The fappening part 4 - GWS style

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzyditBCIAMaA6M.png:large

[LostDoggy]

Who are the pictures of? Not another Celebrity scandal is it?
Ooops! Obviously I meant picks!

[LostDoggy]

Bump. I think this thread needs re-visiting:)

[LostDoggy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzyditBCIAMaA6M.png:large

Good post BAD. As his NEAFL form shows he's dropped away decidedly. Perhaps Griffen for Boyd and pick 4 is more appropriate.

[bornadog]

From WBFC press release

The Western Bulldogs have communicated to GWS that we are prepared to achieve this outcome through a direct trade for Ryan Griffen.

[Bulldog4life]

Two cards down in this great poker game. Three to go.

[bulldogsman]

Wow! I can't go back to work, this trade period has been too emotional.

[Rocket Science]

But can we get that dirty, stinking GWS jumper off our homepage. We need some photoshop work from our creative team to quickly place Boydy Mark 2 in our tri-colours.

http://i.imgur.com/veETVAd.jpg

Mona Lisa it ain't, but it's an improvement.

That'll probably jinx it.

[bulldogtragic]

http://i.imgur.com/veETVAd.jpg

Mona Lisa it ain't, but it's an improvement.

That'll probably jinx it.

I just F***ING Lost it seeing that. :)

[SquirrelGrip]

Just got the pre-order e-mail from the Club:

525

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=525&d=1413164731

[Happy Days]

A thought I just had; why would Boyd want to come to us? We have no coach, no captain, and will probably finish below the club he's currently at for the next 5 years.

Anyone else think he wanted out no matter where to, saw us as an opportunity and jumped? Does it even matter if this is the case?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

A thought I just had; why would Boyd want to come to us? We have no coach, no captain, and will probably finish below the club he's currently at for the next 5 years.

Anyone else think he wanted out no matter where to, saw us as an opportunity and jumped? Does it even matter if this is the case?

think we have offered him some serious coin

[LostDoggy]

I definitely would be happy with that. Think GWS would want more.

Think GWS can go **** ********. They laid the turd on our lawn, they can clean it up.


This is so exciting. Please make it happen. I fear what will happen to our supporter group should this awesome news evaporate into another failure in a week of failures.

La-la-la-la. I'm not listening! La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Wow. This street fighting now. They came and king hit us from behind, we turned around and kicked them in the balls. HARD.

[ratsmac]

I thought I'd jump online to see if there was any trade news while I eat lunch and I read this. I almost wet my pants.

I think the proven performer in Griffen holds more value than the unproven Boyd at the present time. GWS won't be thinking this way. We have to put doubt in there minds so we can come out of this trade well on top. We lost our captain for goodness sake. I would be giving them examples of Kepler Bradley, Scott Gumbleton, Richard Tambling, Tom Scully ( and they know too well about his talents) as pure examples of top draft picks are all potential and not a known quantity.

Take em to the cleaners Doggies!!

[LostDoggy]

Wow. This street fighting now. They came and king hit us from behind, we turned around and kicked them in the balls. HARD.

Love it DD

[Hot_Doggies]

I thought I'd jump online to see if there was any trade news while I eat lunch and I read this. I almost wet my pants.

I think the proven performer in Griffen holds more value than the unproven Boyd at the present time. GWS won't be thinking this way. We have to put doubt in there minds so we can come out of this trade well on top. We lost our captain for goodness sake. I would be giving them examples of Kepler Bradley, Scott Gumbleton, Richard Tambling, Tom Scully ( and they know too well about his talents) as pure examples of top draft picks are all potential and not a known quantity.

Take em to the cleaners Doggies!!


So you would be happy to swap Bontempelli with Jobe Watson?


Straight swap Boyd for Griff is crazy talk, we will have to add something extra.

[Dancin' Douggy]

We have a great brawler in our corner too. Peter 'bulldog' Gordon.

[KT31]

We have a great brawler in our corner too. Peter 'bulldog' Gordon.

Didn't fair to well for B.Mac when he was in his corner.;)

[bulldogtragic]

So you would be happy to swap Bontempelli with Jobe Watson?


Straight swap Boyd for Griff is crazy talk, we will have to add something extra.

Three party trade, Jones to Carlton. Carlton gives extra to GWS for Jaksch.

[ratsmac]

So you would be happy to swap Bontempelli with Jobe Watson?


Straight swap Boyd for Griff is crazy talk, we will have to add something extra.

Bontempelli has already shown he can preform at afl level. Should've won the rising star, won best first year player voted by players. So my answer to your question is no!

The bulldogs have reportedly requested a straight swap so they are they crazy ones then.

[1eyedog]

http://i.imgur.com/veETVAd.jpg

Mona Lisa it ain't, but it's an improvement.

That'll probably jinx it.

I think I have a new avatar if it's ok by you?

[F'scary]

Wow!!! Just wow...

[Chicago1]

I do not want to be disappointed.

"Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe."

Here endeth the lesson.

[bornadog]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10494773_365880146919553_9135679706136255773_n.jpg?oh=2a18db 10db8f91277a4519c1e0d7ca30&oe=54BFFD49&__gda__=1422343715_55b0fdfa0d7a6535c837b098c1fda02c

[Rocket Science]

I think I have a new avatar if it's ok by you?

Sure thing, go nuts.

[bornadog]

Love this from our vice president:


Susan Alberti @SusanAlberti1 (https://twitter.com/SusanAlberti1)Follow (https://twitter.com/SusanAlberti1)
After tough few days for WB and supporters it looks like Tom Boyd from GWS will be joining the WB. Great news for our loyal supporters

1:10 PM - 13 Oct 2014 (https://twitter.com/SusanAlberti1/status/521483117421268993)

[mighty_west]

Love this from our vice president:

"Will be joining", does that mean a deal has been done?

[EasternWest]

Love this from our vice president:

So exciting.

Griffen leaving might be the watershed moment some people have suggested it might be.

It's just nice to feel positive.

[craigsahibee]

"Will be joining", does that mean a deal has been done?

Gone early.

I'm like an 8 year old on Christmas Eve at the moment. This is going to stretch out until lunchtime on Thursday. Another un-productive week in the office.

[LostDoggy]

"Will be joining", does that mean a deal has been done?

Haha she did say looks like before the "will be", give Sue some credit!

[1eyedog]

Haha she did say looks like before the "will be", give Sue some credit!

Sue's as excited as any of us.

So PG knew Ryan wanted out and we obviously hit Tom Boyd up a while ago as well? I would be astounded if we hit Boyd up after we found out about Griffen and he says yes basically the next working day. Is Griffen in on this? So many questions...

[EasternWest]

Sue's as excited as any of us

That's it. I've gone all in. Avatar changed. This better happen.

[Bulldog4life]

That's it. I've gone all in. Avatar changed. This better happen.

Otherwise we will blame you EW :)

[EasternWest]

Otherwise we will blame you EW :)

It's a chance I'm willing to take dude.

[bornadog]

Gone early.

I'm like an 8 year old on Christmas Eve at the moment. This is going to stretch out until lunchtime on Thursday. Another un-productive week in the office.

I am struggling to do work as well.

[josie]

Similar to what PG was saying about Griff last week. He's a required player and will be seeing out his contract...

I love the face slap same almost word for word response we said last week they are saying it this week. GOLD !!!

I pray this trade is done and whatever happens I applaud the club for being proactive after being so rocked to the core last week. BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO.

I was driving when I heard this and was WHOOPING & HOLLERING on way home - the other drivers must have thought I was a stark raving loony.

GO DOGS !!

[Daughter of the West]

Gone early.

I'm like an 8 year old on Christmas Eve at the moment. This is going to stretch out until lunchtime on Thursday. Another un-productive week in the office.

Not a scrap is being done here right now (don't tell my boss)...

[LostDoggy]

I've done about 7 hours work in the last 5.5 working days.

I'm waiting for North to come in with a 4th rounder for me.

[bornadog]

I've done about 7 hours work in the last 5.5 working days.

I'm waiting for North to come in with a 4th rounder for me.

:D Are you worth a 4th rounder

[LostDoggy]

:D Are you worth a 4th rounder

Only if i pay the taxi fare.

[1eyedog]

I've done about 7 hours work in the last 5.5 working days.

I'm waiting for North to come in with a 4th rounder for me.

Pretty much same boat and that was on Saturday to escape the Macca walking out fiasco. What a difference a couple of days make ;)

[always right]

I've said it before..............love what the club is doing but it's going to get ugly here if this doesn't get through.

We've suffered long enough. We deserve some good news.

[GVGjr]

I've said it before..............love what the club is doing but it's going to get ugly here if this doesn't get through.

We've suffered long enough. We deserve some good news.

I think we know we are a long shot to make it happen but it does send a strong signal to GWS to come through with a great offer.

At the very least Boyd is now on record that he wants to come to us. Maybe we have to wait another 12 months when he is out of contract.

[Dry Rot]

Just saw the news.

But does anyone actually think this might happen? Or just return posturing by us to get better draft picks for Griffen?

[GVGjr]

Just saw the news.

But does anyone actually think this might happen? Or just return posturing by us to get better draft picks for Griffen?

I think our intent is to have a great go at it and by doing so it strengthens our requirements with other players.

[Bulldog4life]

I think our intent is to have a great go at it and by doing so it strengthens our requirements with other players.

I agree with this. You have to give it the best shot you have got although there are no guarantees. It means if we don't get Boyd GWS will be tempted to have to give us overs to get Griffen.

[Templeton31]

Just saw the news.

But does anyone actually think this might happen? Or just return posturing by us to get better draft picks for Griffen?

Surely Boyd saying he wants to be a Dog makes a big difference. I like that he wants to lead and be the main man at a club rather than a junior partner to Patton/Cameron. Also surely GWS would be daft not to do it - they still have Tomlinson, McCarthy etc. Really for mine the reason they kept loading up on big guys was in part coz they knew one at least would want out or alternately they cold use one to get a Griffen like player.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

GWS would be stupid to hold this up.

It hurts them losing Boyd undoubtedly, but the reality is they still have Cameron, McCarthy, Stewart, Tomlinson, Patton (inj) on their list and if they want they could take McCartin/Wright at Pick 4. This isn't even mentioning the strong possibility Boyd would walk to us/St. Kilda next year, nor the commitment they've made to Griffen.

I think it looks simple for GWS.

Gain: Griffen & McCartin/Wright
Lose: Boyd

[Templeton31]

FWIW if it goes through I'll still be disappointed that Griff has left.

[Dry Rot]

I wonder what has been said between Boyd and GWS now.

If Boyd spat the dummy and said "I'm leaving next year whatever happens" then

1. GWS hang onto him hoping to change their mind, OR

2. They trade him now to us, OR

3. They put him onto the open market now, OR

4. They hold off for a big trade next year. Big danger is that the bottom 3 in 2015 will likely be Victorian clubs, with the first 3 PSD picks.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

FWIW if it goes through I'll still be disappointed that Griff has left.

Really, why?

I'll high five Griff, pack his bags for him, offer to drive him to the airport and send him off with a saliva free coffee if this goes through.

Ryan is a great player but at this point, I know who I would much rather. Midfielders are easier to find, and reality is, Griff isn't in the class of Ablett/Swan/Pendlebury/Watson anyway.

[The bulldog tragician]

You would have to think by going public with this, and even our Vice President tweeting about it, that we are absolutely determined to make the deal happen. Surely no administration, especially one that's been as battered as this one over the past few days, would trumpet this news if they think it's only 50/50. The ridicule we'd attract doesn't bear thinking about. C'mon Dogs, get it done and give us the hope that's been lost last week.

[Remi Moses]

GWS would be stupid to hold this up.

It hurts them losing Boyd undoubtedly, but the reality is they still have Cameron, McCarthy, Stewart, Tomlinson, Patton (inj) on their list and if they want they could take McCartin/Wright at Pick 4. This isn't even mentioning the strong possibility Boyd would walk to us/St. Kilda next year, nor the commitment they've made to Griffen.

I think it looks simple for GWS.

Gain: Griffen & McCartin/Wright
Lose: Boyd

Folks there's a lot of posturing and games within games going on .
They're in the same ballpark as us in that they've got someone who can be prized out .
It's interesting that they didn't re-sign Boyd during the year ( like with Patton) .
I don't know what's going to transpire, but anything's possible . If it doesn't happen 4 and 7 have to be given up

[Remi Moses]

You would have to think by going public with this, and even our Vice President tweeting about it, that we are absolutely determined to make the deal happen. Surely no administration, especially one that's been as battered as this one over the past few days, would trumpet this news if they think it's only 50/50. The ridicule we'd attract doesn't bear thinking about. C'mon Dogs, get it done and give us the hope that's been lost last week.

That's what struck me as well .
The Vice President tweeting about it

[Raw Toast]

Griffen leaving in this manner with all the turmoil (and coach being sacked debacle) it has caused is clearly horrible, but getting Boyd sounds like it would be a moment of significant redemption. Great to see the club on the front foot, and fun to see a video of an excited PG (http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/2014-10-13/gordon-on-tom-boyd-trade) already up on the web.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Love PG in that video - awesome.

[Happy Days]

St Kilda have enquired about Boyd.

[Templeton31]

Really, why?

I'll high five Griff, pack his bags for him, offer to drive him to the airport and send him off with a saliva free coffee if this goes through.

Ryan is a great player but at this point, I know who I would much rather. Midfielders are easier to find, and reality is, Griff isn't in the class of Ablett/Swan/Pendlebury/Watson anyway.

Because he's played 200 games for us, he's been our captain, theres no question he's given his all in the 10 years he's played for us, coz I remember when he was starting out as a fresh faced draftee etc.

[LostDoggy]

You would have to think by going public with this, and even our Vice President tweeting about it, that we are absolutely determined to make the deal happen. Surely no administration, especially one that's been as battered as this one over the past few days, would trumpet this news if they think it's only 50/50. The ridicule we'd attract doesn't bear thinking about. C'mon Dogs, get it done and give us the hope that's been lost last week.

talk like this is exactly what GWS want to hear at the moment!

[bulldogtragic]

It's nice.

[LostDoggy]

Not really worried with the Saints, I'd say we'll offer 6 aswell before we let him slip to Saints. GWS would have 4,6 & 7 enough to trade for 1.

[1eyedog]

Not really worried with the Saints, I'd say we'll offer 6 aswell before we let him slip to Saints. GWS would have 4,6 & 7 enough to trade for 1.

I agree. I think we need to let Griff go and 6 to get him otherwise it will be off. Maybe a later round swap of picks also.

[bornadog]

Folks there's a lot of posturing and games within games going on .
They're in the same ballpark as us in that they've got someone who can be prized out .
It's interesting that they didn't re-sign Boyd during the year ( like with Patton) .
I don't know what's going to transpire, but anything's possible . If it doesn't happen 4 and 7 have to be given up

Yep, they have a player that also doesn't want to be at their club.

[Ghost Dog]

Susan Alberti is tweeting it's a done deal. Would be a little embarrassing if he then ended up at the Saints.

[bornadog]

This is interesting, we have also made enquires about Cameron:


The Giants have been told Boyd has been offered a "very long-term" multimillion-dollar deal to join the Bulldogs, who are prepared to trade their captain, Ryan Griffen, in an exchange.The Giants have insisted they will not trade their young key forward, who is contracted for next year only. Club officials believe there would be an auction of all Victorian clubs at the end of next year if we Boyd still wanted to return home then and that the compensation in those circumstances would likely be greater than it is now.
The Bulldogs have long been eyeing all three of the GWS' big forwards – Boyd, Jonathon Patton and Jeremy Cameron.
They have previously made overtures to both Patton and Cameron for long-term deals. Patton was made an informal six-year offer to move, while Cameron was given indications of what an offer might look like were he prepared to entertain further negotiations.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-interested-in-tom-boyd-as-bulldogs-make-longterm-offer-20141013-1159gt.html#ixzz3Fzqy3eYp

[bulldogsthru&thru]

You would have to think by going public with this, and even our Vice President tweeting about it, that we are absolutely determined to make the deal happen. Surely no administration, especially one that's been as battered as this one over the past few days, would trumpet this news if they think it's only 50/50. The ridicule we'd attract doesn't bear thinking about. C'mon Dogs, get it done and give us the hope that's been lost last week.

This along with the PG video is interesting. I think its all part of the games being played here but certainly high risk if we dont land him!

[wimberga]

I think the best outcome would be:

Dogs trade Griffen + pick 6 to GWS for Boyd + 19
GWS then on trade pick 6 + pick 4 to Saints for pick 1

GWS get Petracca (who they are reportedly really keen on) as well as Griffen
Dogs get the keyforward they crave
Saints get multiple top 10 picks to fit in with their "3 picks in the top 20" draft strategy.

win win win

[G-Mo77]

Yeah not worried about the Saints. He's requested to come here, Griff has requested to go there. Good luck to them getting rid of that horrible pick they don't want. :rolleyes:

[chef]

So is Boyd out of contract at the end of next season?

[Mantis]

This along with the PG video is interesting. I think its all part of the games being played here but certainly high risk if we dont land him!

What little credibility that we have at the minute won't be there on Friday if we don't land Boyd.

[Ozza]

The Saints getting involved turns it into an auction.

They'll offer pick 1 - which will increase what GWS can expect from us.

It screws us a bit in the negotiations, and confirms that what they (GWS) have has a much higher market appeal than what we have.

Nothing like the bottom clubs to turn things into an auction, and have each other overpaying!

[LostDoggy]

I think the best outcome would be:

Dogs trade Griffen + pick 6 to GWS for Boyd + 19
GWS then on trade pick 6 + pick 4 to Saints for pick 1

GWS get Petracca (who they are reportedly really keen on) as well as Griffen
Dogs get the keyforward they crave
Saints get multiple top 10 picks to fit in with their "3 picks in the top 20" draft strategy.

win win win

Don't think the Jaksch deal will go ahead?

[Webby]

Sht Kilda being pests yet again!

You know, I hate to be a party pooper, but I'm not sure I like the idea of trading Griffen plus pick 6 for Boyd...
I'd prefer picks 4 & 6 to just Boyd...

For some context, picks 4 & 6 in last year's draft would've netted us Bontempelli and Aish, whilst the same two picks the year before would've landed us Stringer & Macrae..

This might all be a ruse to net pick 4 from them... And maybe a player. Pick 4 could land McCartin or Wright. I'd be pretty happy with that. Then pick 6 for another good kid... Point is, Boyd is not the be all and end all. We're in a good position as of today. No need to panic and be suckered into paying overs..

[Happy Days]

The Saints getting involved turns it into an auction.

They'll offer pick 1 - which will increase what GWS can expect from us.

It screws us a bit in the negotiations, and confirms that what they (GWS) have has a much higher market appeal than what we have.

Nothing like the bottom clubs to turn things into an auction, and have each other overpaying!

We have to convince Boyd to come to us; the deal is contingent on his consent no?

[The Doctor]

Fine, let's get Boyd this year and then get Cameron next year. We'll play nice and leave them with Patton.

[josie]

Sht Kilda being pests yet again!

You know, I hate to be a party pooper, but I'm not sure I like the idea of trading Griffen plus pick 6 for Boyd...
I'd prefer picks 4 & 6 to just Boyd...

For some context, picks 4 & 6 in last year's draft would've netted us Bontempelli and Aish, whilst the same two picks the year before would've landed us Stringer & Macrae..

This might all be a ruse to net pick 4 from them... And maybe a player. Pick 4 could land McCartin or Wright. I'd be pretty happy with that. Then pick 6 for another good kid... Point is, Boyd is not the be all and end all. We're in a good position as of today. No need to panic and be suckered into paying overs..

With Gordon & JMac in our corner I very much trust they've considered all the what if's including Saint's interest. Perhaps 4 and a sweetener (i.e. another good GWS KPP) is our fall back. IN JMAC WE TRUST !!!

[Ozza]

We have to convince Boyd to come to us; the deal is contingent on his consent no?

We have convinced Boyd....but if St.Kilda get involved, it will impact our ability to get a deal done on good terms.

[Mofra]

If the Boyd trade request is news to GWS - surely it's no surprise they have jumped at a deal yet?

It will take time - they are probably posturing as much as we were last Thursday by saying Griff will stay.

[bornadog]

So is Boyd out of contract at the end of next season?

yes he has one year left

[bornadog]

The Saints getting involved turns it into an auction.

They'll offer pick 1 - which will increase what GWS can expect from us.

It screws us a bit in the negotiations, and confirms that what they (GWS) have has a much higher market appeal than what we have.

Nothing like the bottom clubs to turn things into an auction, and have each other overpaying!

GWS can still get Pick one , plus Griffen if they trade 4 and 7 to Saints.

[bornadog]

We have to convince Boyd to come to us; the deal is contingent on his consent no?

Boyd requested a trade to us.

[lemmon]

Extremely excited about the prospect of snagging Boyd but am cautious about Gordon and Alberti making statements and seemingly conducting our on-field strategy. I'd prefer it was Monty, J-Mac, Lowe or even Chris Grant coming out and talking football matters. Apart from Eddie very rarely does a President come out with statements about what happens on-field, it's one of the things James Brayshaw does well, makes zero comment and doesn't pretend to be an expert in what the coaching staff are trying to do on-field. Look how well the alternative worked out for Jeff Kennett...

Gordon is obviously trying to drum up some much needed enthusiasm but his expertise is in law and administration, Lowe is the footy manager and Chris Grant is the greatest players we've produced in 30 years...I'd rather hear it from them.

[Remi Moses]

Extremely excited about the prospect of snagging Boyd but am cautious about Gordon and Alberti making statements and seemingly conducting our on-field strategy. I'd prefer it was Monty, J-Mac, Lowe or even Chris Grant coming out and talking football matters. Apart from Eddie very rarely does a President come out with statements about what happens on-field, it's one of the things James Brayshaw does well, makes zero comment and doesn't pretend to be an expert in what the coaching staff are trying to do on-field. Look how well the alternative worked out for Jeff Kennett...

Gordon is obviously trying to drum up some much needed enthusiasm but his expertise is in law and administration, Lowe is the footy manager and Chris Grant is the greatest players we've produced in 30 years...I'd rather hear it from them.

Couldn't agree more. You employ people to do their job , so let them do it.
I get the motive, but time will ease the disappointment and hurt of what happened

[Greystache]

The Saints getting involved turns it into an auction.

They'll offer pick 1 - which will increase what GWS can expect from us.

It screws us a bit in the negotiations, and confirms that what they (GWS) have has a much higher market appeal than what we have.

Nothing like the bottom clubs to turn things into an auction, and have each other overpaying!

Not really. He's under contract, a contracted player can't be traded to a club against their will. All we need is for Boyd to declare he will not be traded to St Kilda. That then immediately rules them out and GWS have to move on. They can talk about St Kilda as much as they like, but it's hollow if Boyd's management rules them out.

[Happy Days]

Boyd requested a trade to us.

For now;


Not really. He's under contract, a contracted player can't be traded to a club against their will. All we need is for Boyd to declare he will not be traded to St Kilda. That then immediately rules them out and GWS have to move on. They can talk about St Kilda as much as they like, but it's hollow if Boyd's management rules them out.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Peter has taken on, and beaten, some of the biggest companies in the world.
Complicated difficult cases that no one else had been able to win.
A victory for the victims of thalidomide, and the victims of asbestos and even won the unwinnable case against British American tobacco.

To hear his tactics, and his role in this criticised by a baffled panel of 'sports experts' like Scott Lucas and Anthony Hudson, not to mention the Keen intellect of one Mark Robinson. Is very amusing.

I'm pretty sure this would be a walk in the park compared to some of the stuff he's dealt with.

[jeemak]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trade-period-2014-day-eight-20141013-3hvhs.html

PG calling Tony Shepherd to cut a deal.

[1eyedog]

Shit Kilda may have a killer pick to offer up we have a killer player that GWS want. Griffen has kinda become like an ebay auction item for GWS now. They've been watching the auction for days now and have mentally made it their own. It would be nearly impossible for them to turn their head away from it and entertain something from Shit Kilda. Griff is a massive trophy and now we have Boyd nominating us.

We are in the strongest position.

[Happy Days]

Why does Gordon have anything to do with this?

[Dancin' Douggy]

Why does Gordon have anything to do with this?

We've got no coach and no captain.
I figure Peter has strapped himself in to take the heat and present a strong front and presence.
Field the media shit storm instead of throwing Jmac or Granty to the wolves.

Doesn't bother me at all.

[GVGjr]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trade-period-2014-day-eight-20141013-3hvhs.html

PG calling Tony Shepherd to cut a deal.

He shouldn't be doing this.

[FrediKanoute]

Why does Gordon have anything to do with this?

Its posturing. After the bombshell of last week and the collateral damage that went with it, the fightback by targeting Boyd is all about regaining credibility with the football world for not just the club, but its key management figures.

I am sceptical that the deal will get done, but I like the fact that we haven't laid down and just accepted Griff walking out.

A thought, this decision from Boyd would not have happened in the space of 2 or 3 days. I wonder whether we have been tapping him up like GWS were tapping up Griffin?

[lemmon]

Peter has taken on, and beaten, some of the biggest companies in the world.
Complicated difficult cases that no one else had been able to win.
A victory for the victims of thalidomide, and the victims of asbestos and even won the unwinnable case against British American tobacco.

To hear his tactics, and his role in this criticised by a baffled panel of 'sports experts' like Scott Lucas and Anthony Hudson, not to mention the Keen intellect of one Mark Robinson. Is very amusing.

I'm pretty sure this would be a walk in the park compared to some of the stuff he's dealt with.

He hasn't scouted the TAC cup though, or monitored the development of Tom Boyd, or examined our structures and noted whether Boyd would fit in, or balanced our future player payments and salary cap, or undertaken a medical on Boyd. This is a football issue and with all due respect the last person I want to hear from is Gordon because it simply isn't a hat he should be wearing. What I want to know as a paying member, is that the footy department isn't being run blindly while in the midst of one of the most important periods in our recent history.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Maybe he needs to point out some finer legal points that others may not be able to communicate.

Honestly, I don't care who does it or how they do it, as long as we extract every single drop of blood we can out of this deal.

[Dancin' Douggy]

He hasn't scouted the TAC cup though, or monitored the development of Tom Boyd, or examined our structures and noted whether Boyd would fit in, or balanced our future player payments and salary cap, or undertaken a medical on Boyd. This is a football issue and with all due respect the last person I want to hear from is Gordon because it simply isn't a hat he should be wearing. What I want to know as a paying member, is that the footy department isn't being run blindly while in the midst of one of the most important periods in our recent history.
No but surely the football / recriuting department has. Peter's just being the public voice.
Taking the heat as it were.

[bornadog]

He shouldn't be doing this.

Someone has to show leadership. I am sure JMac is the one negotiating.

[bornadog]

GWS supporters sounding like us:


BigFooty Giants ‏@BigFootyGIANTS (https://twitter.com/BigFootyGIANTS) 3h (https://twitter.com/BigFootyGIANTS/status/521493661880565760)3 hours ago (https://twitter.com/BigFootyGIANTS/status/521493661880565760)
If Boyd want to go so be it, we want guys that buy in like McCarthy & Lobb re-signed until '17 & Stewart '16

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Someone has to show leadership. I am sure JMac is the one negotiating.

Agreed.

Amazed people complaining about PG showing leadership and leading from the front.

People complain if you do or don't - you can't win. It's not as though JMac is sitting on his hands.

[Bulldog4life]

Agreed.

Amazed people complaining about PG showing leadership and leading from the front.

People complain if you do or don't - you can't win. It's not as though JMac is sitting on his hands.

Couldn't agree more TBB.

[lemmon]

No but surely the football / recriuting department has. Peter's just being the public voice.
Taking the heat as it were.

That's not the image it presents though. Talking about the character of Boyd and calling the GWS chairman (as he states in the video) portrays himself as playing a key role in the trade rather than being just a mouthpiece. I'm concerned about the message it sends, if Gordon is having to deal with these matters who the hell is running the footy department? If Graham Lowe or J-Mac can't sit in front of the camera in a club sponsored video we're in trouble.

[Dancin' Douggy]

If I was doing any negotiating over anything, and I could get free advice from one of the greatest legal minds in Australia, perhaps the WORLD. I think I'd take it.

[lemmon]

If I was doing any negotiating over anything, and I could get free advice from one of the greatest legal minds in Australia, perhaps the WORLD. I think I'd take it.

That completely ignores my point but alright

[always right]

To be fair, with the events of the last week we are not exactly in a business as usual situation. PG has obviously made the call that he needs be on the front foot in a very public fashion.

If we end up getting Boyd at our club I couldn't give a shit if Woofer negotiated the deal.

[GVGjr]

Someone has to show leadership. I am sure JMac is the one negotiating.

Then it shouldn't be President to President it should be the President endorsing the list manager as having his total support to get a deal done.

[jeemak]

To be fair, with the events of the last week we are not exactly in a business as usual situation. PG has obviously made the call that he needs be on the front foot in a very public fashion.

If we end up getting Boyd at our club I couldn't give a shit if Woofer negotiated the deal.

GWS get - Griffen, pick 6

Dogs get - Boyd, pick 19, a packet of Schmackos and an old sock

Sounds fair.

[Bulldog4life]

Then it shouldn't be President to President it should be the President endorsing the list manager as having his total support to get a deal done.

GVG I think all rules of "how to do things the right way" went out the window when GWS spent 6 mths negotiating with Griffen. In Peter I have the fullest confidence. If he thinks it is better that he is the mouthpiece that's good enough for me.

[Dancin' Douggy]

That completely ignores my point but alright

Fair enough. I guess I'm just trying to deflect any negativity at all about anything bulldog related at the moment.

I just think Peter has strapped on his suit of armour and his helmet and waded into the maelstrom to let everyone else get on with their jobs. He's volunteered to be the red rag that the bull keeps chasing.

[1eyedog]

He hasn't scouted the TAC cup though, or monitored the development of Tom Boyd, or examined our structures and noted whether Boyd would fit in, or balanced our future player payments and salary cap, or undertaken a medical on Boyd. This is a football issue and with all due respect the last person I want to hear from is Gordon because it simply isn't a hat he should be wearing. What I want to know as a paying member, is that the footy department isn't being run blindly while in the midst of one of the most important periods in our recent history.

He's big boss man on the front foot. Thank goodness we finally have a leader prepared to do it. He's been briefed by Jmac, Dalrymple, Granty and he's not stupid. He knows it's all out with Boyd. I'm sure Jmac, Dalrymple et al. don't want to field the abundance of questions their not qualified to answer. Given the turmoil of the past week it's impossible to narrow down a discussion about just 'Boyd'. The best person to discuss all of this is Gordon.

[Greystache]

Agreed.

Amazed people complaining about PG showing leadership and leading from the front.

People complain if you do or don't - you can't win. It's not as though JMac is sitting on his hands.

Totally agree BTT. This commitment from Boyd would have been weeks if not months in the making, JMac would have been doing all of it behind the scenes. Once we secured Boyd's commitment PG obviously feels given how public the situation has been that it's better he be the public face of negotiations. I don't have any issue with that.

[GVGjr]

GVG I think all rules of "how to do things the right way" went out the window when GWS spent 6 mths negotiating with Griffen. In Peter I have the fullest confidence. If he thinks it is better that he is the mouthpiece that's good enough for me.

I'm also 100% behind the Prez, I just feel that he should be endorsing the list manager publicly. By all means he can make the call but he shouldn't be making that known.

[bornadog]

Totally agree BTT. This commitment from Boyd would have been weeks if not months in the making, JMac would have been doing all of it behind the scenes. Once we secured Boyd's commitment PG obviously feels given how public the situation has been that it's better he be the public face of negotiations. I don't have any issue with that.

According to The Age we were also sounding out Jeremy Cameron, so agree must have been in the making for awhile.

Also, do you think GWS heard about it and decided to put feelers out with Griffen, sort of an eye for an eye.

I know when the rumours were floating around about Patton, GWS said ok, we will offer Bonti $600k

[SquirrelGrip]

If I was doing any negotiating over anything, and I could get free advice from one of the greatest legal minds in Australia, perhaps the WORLD. I think I'd take it.

PG would struggle to be one of the greatest legal minds in Victoria, let alone Australia or the world. But as a streetfighter, I'm happy to have in my corner.

[mighty_west]

Totally agree BTT. This commitment from Boyd would have been weeks if not months in the making, JMac would have been doing all of it behind the scenes. Once we secured Boyd's commitment PG obviously feels given how public the situation has been that it's better he be the public face of negotiations. I don't have any issue with that.

The moment Jon Patton went down with his knee you'd think we would have been onto Boyd's management immediately.

[Dancin' Douggy]

PG would struggle to be one of the greatest legal minds in Victoria, let alone Australia or the world. But as a streetfighter, I'm happy to have in my corner.

I thought I might have been pushing it there. But his thalidomide, asbestos and tobacco wins are really in the absolute upper echelon of legal victories. I'm fairly confident I could at least say he has the greatest legal mind in the AFL?!? (not hard I know)

[mighty_west]

I don't mind the stance Gordon is taking, yes it's different but it's not everyday your club is in its knees after a few horrendous days, he's out there fighting for this club and being strong and direct which is exactly the best for our supporter base imho.

At the end of the day if or when we land Boyd or another great deal to shift Griff off to GWS, our supporter base will know the club had faught tooth and nail to improve the list and club the best way possible.

Peter Gordon is THE man right now.

[mighty_west]

You could also say, clubs SHOULDN'T target club captains under contract...........

[bulldogtragic]

I thought I might have been pushing it there. But his thalidomide, asbestos and tobacco wins are really in the absolute upper echelon of legal victories. I'm fairly confident I could at least say he has the greatest legal mind in the AFL?!? (not hard I know)

Absolutely, he's as well credentialed as any Supreme Court Judge. If he wasn't our President he'd be sounded out for sure. His keeps winning enormous class actions one after another. I think some might not understand just what he's achieved in his legal career. Read his bio on gordonlegal.com.au - anyway Tom Boyd is coming and we're talking about this. The best forward since Chris Grant could pull on the jumper.

[Topdog]

I thought I might have been pushing it there. But his thalidomide, asbestos and tobacco wins are really in the absolute upper echelon of legal victories. I'm fairly confident I could at least say he has the greatest legal mind in the AFL?!? (not hard I know)

I guess technically Tania Hird isn't in the AFL so yes he is the greatest legal mind in the AFL.

[chef]

You could also say, clubs SHOULDN'T target club captains under contract...........

I think it may have been the other way around, Griffen's management putting out the feelers.

[bornadog]

I think it may have been the other way around, Griffen's management putting out the feelers.

Surely management can't do that without authority from the player?

[chef]

Surely management can't do that without authority from the player?

Management would only do that if that's what the player wanted.

eg. he was unhappy 6 months ago so he got his management to put out the feelers and GWS bit.

[Mofra]

Surely management can't do that without authority from the player?
Conversations happen all the time without player knowledge. You can't regulate against conversations.

[Greystache]

I guess technically Tania Hird isn't in the AFL so yes he is the greatest legal mind in the AFL.

She can take a hell of a note about a telephone conversation she's not involved in however!

[Remi Moses]

We've got over 100 non users online .
Is that a record?

[bulldogtragic]

We've got over 100 non users online .
Is that a record?

Think so. They must've heard we broke the Boyd trade 12 hours before the mainstream media.

[GVGjr]

We've got over 100 non users online .
Is that a record?

They are what is known as bots, not real online viewers

[comrade]

Think so. They must've heard we broke the Boyd trade 12 hours before the mainstream media.

More like 12 hours before Boyd knew he wanted to be a Bulldog...

[stefoid]

If the Boyd trade request is news to GWS - surely it's no surprise they have jumped at a deal yet?

It will take time - they are probably posturing as much as we were last Thursday by saying Griff will stay.

Shit just got real for them and their fans. They are coming to the realization that Boyd will be out of there, if not now, then certainly at the end of next year.

Im not sure that their statement that they would stand to get more in a free-for-all auction next year is valid... its never a free-for-all... the player concerned nominates a club and then they are forced to deal with that club.

Our opening gambit is straight-swap, theirs is no deal at all. Somewhere in the middle is grif + fancy steak knives.

[comrade]

I do feel sorry for one bloke in all this: Gerard Healy.

2 Boyds in one team will make his head explode.

[GVGjr]

Can you imagine if Boyd and Pickering say guys either do it now or I will go at the end of next season?

I'm sure GWS think they can win him over but it would give them some food for thought

[comrade]

With all the senior blokes leaving us, we're a chance of winning the spoon next year which means we could pick up Boyd for nothing in the PSD.

Do the deal now, GWS.

Please.

[GVGjr]

With all the senior blokes leaving us, we're a chance of winning the spoon next year which means we could pick up Boyd for nothing in the PSD.

Do the deal now, GWS.

Please.

How upset would they be? We would be accused of tanking

[The Doctor]

Can you imagine if Boyd and Pickering say guys either do it now or I will go at the end of next season?

I'm sure GWS think they can win him over but it would give them some food for thought

This is often the case. Player Managers are very powerful nowadays and the high profile ones especially so.

GWS, once the emotion settles, will have to play the game as they will inevitably attempt to recruit a Pickering managed player or a draftee he will have the management rights to in the future. So I'm sure Pickers will tell them to play nice.

[Doc26]

Has there been any word as yet from Pickering or should I say Liam ?

[The Doctor]

With all the senior blokes leaving us, we're a chance of winning the spoon next year which means we could pick up Boyd for nothing in the PSD.

Do the deal now, GWS.

Please.

Imagine we get say picks 4 & 7 in the Griffen deal along with our pick 6 for this draft. Then next year we get pick 1 & Boyd in the PSD. Maybe we could Dangerfield as a free agent. I used to love Walt disney.

[GVGjr]

Has there been any word as yet from Pickering or should I say Liam ?

Gone quiet.

[comrade]

Imagine we get say picks 4 & 7 in the Griffen deal along with our pick 6 for this draft. Then next year we get pick 1 & Boyd in the PSD. Maybe we could Dangerfield as a free agent. I used to love Walt disney.

Just give us the 2018-2022 premierships now and be done with it.

[GVGjr]

While I still think we are long shots to get this deal done and I still believe there will be a compromised offer of a player and a pick, how will Jason McCartney's resume look after his success with Crameri last year if he could land Boyd this year?

Highly speculative of course

[josie]

They are what is known as bots, not real online viewers

F'Scary might take offence at that, or be flattered.

Hey F'Scary - Can robots be flattered?

[comrade]

Any chance Minson could be involved in the Boyd/Griffen deal? Especially, if they lose Giles.

Boyd for Griffen & Minno.

Boyd & Giants 2nd pick for Griffen/Minno/Pick 6

[Rocco Jones]

Any chance Minson could be involved in the Boyd/Griffen deal? Especially, if they lose Giles.

Boyd for Griffen & Minno.

Boyd & Giants 2nd pick for Griffen/Minno/Pick 6

I doubt they would want Minson considering they have Mumford. They are very similar types and you can only play one of them.

[F'scary]

F'Scary might take offence at that, or be flattered.

Hey F'Scary - Can robots be flattered?

As President O'Bama said, "Yes we can".

[mighty_west]

Any chance Minson could be involved in the Boyd/Griffen deal? Especially, if they lose Giles.

Boyd for Griffen & Minno.

Boyd & Giants 2nd pick for Griffen/Minno/Pick 6

I think they would be better off recruiting Peter Wright, to develop and work with Mumford and a decent replacement for Boyd.

[comrade]

I think they would be better off recruiting Peter Wright, to develop and work with Mumford and a decent replacement for Boyd.

Yeah, you're right. I just want to move on Minson.

[Go_Dogs]

More like 12 hours before Boyd knew he wanted to be a Bulldog...

Perhaps we can break news of the Dangerfield trade now too?

[LostDoggy]

With GWS perhaps wanting to move Pick 19 to Carlton, what do you guys think about Griff and Picks 26+27 for Boyd? They can't baulk at that, they get a superstar marquee player, and two very good picks for a still-unknown. We keep Pick 6.

[F'scary]

With GWS perhaps wanting to move Pick 19 to Carlton, what do you guys think about Griff and Picks 26+27 for Boyd? They can't baulk at that, they get a superstar marquee player, and two very good picks for a still-unknown. We keep Pick 6.

I don't know. For me that is going too far for Boyd. He has only played 9 games. I would be happier with pick 4 + Tomlinson or Stewart or McCarthy, plus steak knives (Addison).

[LostDoggy]

I don't know. For me that is going too far for Boyd. He has only played 9 games. I would be happier with pick 4 + Tomlinson or Stewart or McCarthy, plus steak knives (Addison).

So he can win us a Rising Star next year. I'm cool with that.

[F'scary]

So he can win us a Rising Star next year. I'm cool with that.

That would be cool but... Player #16 + pick 6 is too much for Boyd. I feel the same with #16 + 26 + 27. The impact for us with the number of players coming off the list (6 retired, delisted or traded so far) would mean that 3 players would have to be recruited through picks 45, 84 (64 committed to Zaine Cordy) and 100 with 118 being used for Jong's promotion. An alternative would be to go the delisted free agency path or the pre-season draft.

That's my concern and why I would prefer to go to the draft with 4, 6, 26, 27 & 45 free to be used, plus a former 1st round draft pick young KPF from GWS. This of course entails that we delist another 2 players - which I think we can do.

[w3design]

That would be cool but... Player #16 + pick 6 is too much for Boyd. I feel the same with #16 + 26 + 27. The impact for us with the number of players coming off the list (6 retired, delisted or traded so far) would mean that 3 players would have to be recruited through picks 45, 84 (64 committed to Zaine Cordy) and 100 with 118 being used for Jong's promotion. An alternative would be to go the delisted free agency path or the pre-season draft.

That's my concern and why I would prefer to go to the draft with 4, 6, 26, 27 & 45 free to be used, plus a former 1st round draft pick young KPF from GWS. This of course entails that we delist another 2 players - which I think we can do.
Agree fully with your sentiments, could come down to do we want to get the trade done or not. It is a risk granted, but we have never had a major trade in the draft trade era of the AFL

personally can not see Boyd at the dogs next season but sometimes in order to succeed you takes risks. We will get a trade for Cooney and if Carlton really do want Jones a chance there to.

[F'scary]

Agree fully with your sentiments, could come down to do we want to get the trade done or not. It is a risk granted, but we have never had a major trade in the draft trade era of the AFL

personally can not see Boyd at the dogs next season but sometimes in order to succeed you takes risks. We will get a trade for Cooney and if Carlton really do want Jones a chance there to.

We don't want to lose our heads completely over the prospect of recruiting Boyd.

[w3design]

We don't want to lose our heads completely over the prospect of recruiting Boyd.
I agree, it is why I do not see it happening

[Ozza]

'Industry sentiment' seems to be that we can't get this done. Would be a bad look for GWS to lose a top prospect after 1 year ( the message it sends to their other kids contemplating going home).

[F'scary]

For me, perhaps Boyd + another young largely untried KP player former first round/early second round pick for Griffen + pick 6 or Griffen + 26 & 27. Griffen is a massive loss, one of the best midfielders in the comp and a great gain for any other team, particularly one in the situation GWS is in. There is no way you could say Boyd is worth 2x Griffen and I am a bit concerned some of the suggestions head too far in this direction. So, something like Boyd + Stewart for Griffen + pick 6.

[F'scary]

At the moment, my preference is to load up for the draft so instead of Boyd for Griffen + way overs, I would prefer Griffen for pick 4, a young KPF recent high draft pick (just as good as another pick around 15-25) plus steak knives that are better than Pearce or Tutt.

[The bulldog tragician]

I do feel sorry for one bloke in all this: Gerard Healy.

2 Boyds in one team will make his head explode.
Don't you mean three? Matthew, Tom and Brad

[bulldogtragic]

So have the next big power forward comes out, think Riewoldt/J. Brown, who picks us, asks for a trade, we make an offer to him... We then say, 'no thanks'.

So why will another gun player do this in future years? Also pick 1 is the best player in the land. Pick 1 is reserved for the worst team to give them the best chance to return to the top. We haven't had a pick 1 in 11 years. Even then, it's not usually a KPF. In terms of audacious trades for a pick 1, or pick 1 recent player, last time Judd for Kennedy and picks, before that it was Hawthorn trading Croad to get the then current pick 1. These trades next to never happen, and have never, ever included us. Our time comes around, and...

[comrade]

These trades next to never happen, and have never, ever included us. Our time comes around, and...

PG would understand the importance of this deal. I really believe it could be history defining for the Club, in so many ways. It soothes the pain of our captain leaving, it gives hope to a depressed fan base, it helps attract a quality coach and other free agents in the future. And it will boost the playing group.

The deal needs to be done.

[kruder]

'Industry sentiment' seems to be that we can't get this done. Would be a bad look for GWS to lose a top prospect after 1 year ( the message it sends to their other kids contemplating going home).

Yeah my biggest fear... Hence the trade will have to be in their favour so they can sell the message that it was an offer too good to refuse.

What a week to be a Doggies supporter..

[The Bulldogs Bite]

PG would understand the importance of this deal. I really believe it could be history defining for the Club, in so many ways. It soothes the pain of our captain leaving, it gives hope to a depressed fan base, it helps attract a quality coach and other free agents in the future. And it will boost the playing group.

The deal needs to be done.


So have the next big power forward comes out, think Riewoldt/J. Brown, who picks us, asks for a trade, we make an offer to him... We then say, 'no thanks'.

So why will another gun player do this in future years? Also pick 1 is the best player in the land. Pick 1 is reserved for the worst team to give them the best chance to return to the top. We haven't had a pick 1 in 11 years. Even then, it's not usually a KPF. In terms of audacious trades for a pick 1, or pick 1 recent player, last time Judd for Kennedy and picks, before that it was Hawthorn trading Croad to get the then current pick 1. These trades next to never happen, and have never, ever included us. Our time comes around, and...

Sound posts. Assuming you both would pull the trigger of Griffen and Pick #6 for Boyd?

I could perhaps be brought around to it, although I would expect something else in return. I do feel that this scenario comes 12 months too early - our list would really benefit from another 2 (maybe 3 if GWS handed over #7) quality young players as opposed to one.

[1eyedog]

PG would understand the importance of this deal. I really believe it could be history defining for the Club, in so many ways. It soothes the pain of our captain leaving, it gives hope to a depressed fan base, it helps attract a quality coach and other free agents in the future. And it will boost the playing group.

The deal needs to be done.

I think the club and yourself are on the same page.

[SonofScray]

I'm really anxious about this. High risk, high reward type of stuff. The headlines really had me jumping for joy, it just felt very good to have things swing back in our favour for a bit and the Club to come out snarling. Now the practicalities are setting in it is really nerve racking stuff.

Griff & 6 for Boyd seems far too much.
Straight swap, just a bit over for them.
Packaging other players seems messy.
Maybe swapping a few picks would balance it out.

They will get a guaranteed 60 elite games from Griffen. An instantly better Club with him in the mix. I don't think we should be accepting of any attempts to downplay his status and value.

[LostDoggy]

So everyone now wants to do a Rex hunt on this deal.....do all the work getting the big fish up, then just give it a kiss and throw it back! We need this man, do the deal Griffen, 6 & 26 for Boyd and 7.

[LostDoggy]

'Industry sentiment' seems to be that we can't get this done. Would be a bad look for GWS to lose a top prospect after 1 year ( the message it sends to their other kids contemplating going home).

What about the look to a playing group of having their captain talking to another club for half of the season? They want to have their cake and eat it too, they can get stuffed.

The footballing industry is only looking at Ryan Griffen the Footballer versus Tom Boyd the Footballer. They're not looking at the circumstances around this event, the other factors involved, it's a heck more complex than a simple tit-for-tat trade.


Yeah my biggest fear... Hence the trade will have to be in their favour so they can sell the message that it was an offer too good to refuse.

What a week to be a Doggies supporter..

Give them pick 6 and Griffen. They'd have 4,6 and 7, and a marquee superstar. That's a hell of a message.

[Remi Moses]

Blimey it's not as if they're getting screwed in this deal.
Griffen and 26 27 for Boyd. Possibly 6 and Griffen and their second pick come our way.
They took a big risk not recontracting Boyd, and just like we did with Ward .

[Remi Moses]

PG would understand the importance of this deal. I really believe it could be history defining for the Club, in so many ways. It soothes the pain of our captain leaving, it gives hope to a depressed fan base, it helps attract a quality coach and other free agents in the future. And it will boost the playing group.

The deal needs to be done.
Couldn't agree more . Let's build our side around a big forward.
Let's not bottle it .
Just wondering the perception of our club if our captain walks ?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Looks pretty unlikely Boyd will be traded according to this article.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/gws-says-it-wont-trade-tom-boyd-to-western-bulldogs-in-potential-swap-for-ryan-griffen/story-fnect155-1227088712048

[LostDoggy]

Tom Boyd is a Game Changer and with him we will change our stars it's that simple.

"You may be dissapointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try."

We as a club are at a defining moment, we must get this done.

[1eyedog]

Looks pretty unlikely Boyd will be traded according to this article.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/gws-says-it-wont-trade-tom-boyd-to-western-bulldogs-in-potential-swap-for-ryan-griffen/story-fnect155-1227088712048

More of the same. Let's see if it lasts all week.

[Happy Days]

More of the same. Let's see if it lasts all week.

Yeah it reads like posturing to me.

[G-Mo77]

Looks pretty unlikely Boyd will be traded according to this article.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/gws-says-it-wont-trade-tom-boyd-to-western-bulldogs-in-potential-swap-for-ryan-griffen/story-fnect155-1227088712048

Yeah I won't celebrate until it's official. A lot of water to go under the bridge.

[Remi Moses]

Yeah it reads like posturing to me.

Lying and posturing are the first language now in the AFL world .
Is it Matthews ? Reckons they're prepared to let Griffen swing in the breeze if they can't get it done.
Hmmm, yeah sure you are

[w3design]

I think we all need this deal to get done, so we can all go back to work :D
Just this 1 deal can turn this crap trade period into one of the best ever....

[ReLoad]

We need to keep pick six. Simple as that, so for me a swap with griff and a second rounder is the go. Failing that, we will take pick 4 and 7 for griff, then we go for Boyd next year. We hold all the cards here.

As mr burns would say "excellent"

[westdog54]

Lying and posturing are the first language now in the AFL world .
Is it Matthews ? Reckons they're prepared to let Griffen swing in the breeze if they can't get it done.
Hmmm, yeah sure you are

That's the way I see it too. If they hang Griffen out to dry on this they'll struggle to attract top end talent to the club. They will have demonstrated that they aren't prepared to do what it takes to accommodate a player who is seeking to join them.

They can't have their cake and eat it it too.

As for Ryan, well, he abandoned us. Not the other way around.

[Go_Dogs]

We need to keep pick six. Simple as that, so for me a swap with griff and a second rounder is the go. Failing that, we will take pick 4 and 7 for griff, then we go for Boyd next year. We hold all the cards here.

As mr burns would say "excellent"

Agreed, this is the approach.

[1eyedog]

Given the above aren't we now hanging Boyd out to dry If we don't secure him? GWS now know he doesn't want to be there so I think they'll try to orchestrate a trade as they know they'll lose him next year anyway. He simply doesn't want to be there. We need to consider Boyd in all of this, he's put himself on the line and it will bs extremely difficult for him to return to the club / team mates after effectively stating he doesn't want to be at the club anymore. By going hard at him we've screwed pick 6 and we know it. I'm ok with that.

[GVGjr]

Given the above aren't we now hanging Boyd out to dry If we don't secure him? GWS now know he doesn't want to be there so I think they'll try to orchestrate a trade as they know they'll lose him next year anyway. He simply doesn't want to be there. We need to consider Boyd in all of this, he's put himself on the line and it will bs extremely difficult for him to return to the club / team mates after effectively stating he doesn't want to be at the club anymore. By going hard at him we've screwed pick 6 and we know it. I'm ok with that.

Boyds Manager would have known how this is likely to play out. All we can do is make a great offer, get him to agree to is and then have something of similar value to offer GWS as compensation. We have done everything we can.

I don't believe we will offer pick 6 on top of that unless we are getting something else like a decent player back.

[FrediKanoute]

We almost want Boyd to come out again and say - if you don't trade me this year I will not re-sign and GWS will lose me for nothing in 12 months time.

[The Underdog]

Yeah I won't celebrate until it's official. A lot of water to go under the bridge.

I'm the same. I loved the balls of the club to go back at GWS in that manner but (and maybe this is the Bulldog supporter in me) I'm leaning well towards this not coming off then thinking it will.