The Bulldogs diaspora

[Dry Rot]

Disapora


A diaspora (from Greek διασπορά, "scattering, dispersion")[1] is a scattered population with a common origin in a smaller geographic area. Diaspora can also refer to the movement of the population from its original homeland.

I was thinking about all the comings and goings this season, the most I can remember. And then I thought about the departures and what a team might look like made up from them.

IIRC in my time Dogs players have left and played for all the non-Vic teams now. Have Dogs players left and played for all the Vic based teams?

Can you pick a 22 man squad of past Dogs players, with one player from each team? (including Fitzroy) Therefore, you are only allowed 3 double ups.

What is your team like?

[bulldogtragic]

Toohey (Syd) Penny (stk) Dent (Fitz)
Harbrow (GCS) Doogs (wce) Monty (Port)
Hawkins (Roy's) Cross (Melb) Koster (adel)
Hudson (haw) Jones (Carl) Robbins (Geel)
N. Brown (r) Hall (Syd) Rawlings (Haw)
Dempsey (nth) Ward (gws) Cooney (Ess)
Magic M (Bris) , Osborne (Coll), Bandy/fwd and second ruck (Freo), OTHER/Cameron (rich)

2: Haw, Syd, Fitzroy. 18 teams means 4 doubles right?

[boydogs]

Adelaide: Shane Ellen
Brisbane:
Carlton: Andrejs Everitt
Collingwood: Ben Hudson
Essendon: Mark Alvey
Fitzroy: Doug Hawkins
Fremantle: Daniel Hargraves
Geelong:
Gold Coast: Jarrod Harbrow
Greater Western Sydney: Ryan Griffen
Hawthorn: Brian Lake
Melbourne: Stephen Powell
North Melbourne: Sam Power
Port Adelaide: Brett Montgomery
Richmond: Jordan McMahon
St Kilda: Luke Penny
Sydney: Andrejs Everitt
West Coast: Josh Hill

[boydogs]

Robbins (Geel)

Came from Geelong to us, not the other way around

[LostDog]

Adelaide: Tony Mcguiness
Brisbane: Brad Hardy
Carlton: Andrejs Everitt
Collingwood: Ben Hudson
Essendon: Adam Cooney
Fitzroy: Doug Hawkins
Fremantle: Daniel Hargraves
Geelong:
Gold Coast: Jarrod Harbrow
Greater Western Sydney: Ryan Griffen
Hawthorn: Brian Lake
Melbourne: Daniel Cross
North Melbourne: Shaun Higgins
Port Adelaide: Brett Montgomery
Richmond: Jordan McMahon
St Kilda: Luke Penny
Sydney: Barry Round
West Coast: Josh Hill

[Dry Rot]

Toohey (Syd) Penny (stk) Dent (Fitz)
Harbrow (GCS) Doogs (wce) Monty (Port)
Hawkins (Roy's) Cross (Melb) Koster (adel)
Hudson (haw) Jones (Carl) Robbins (Geel)
N. Brown (r) Hall (Syd) Rawlings (Haw)
Dempsey (nth) Ward (gws) Cooney (Ess)
Magic M (Bris) , Osborne (Coll), Bandy/fwd and second ruck (Freo), OTHER/Cameron (rich)

2: Haw, Syd, Fitzroy. 18 teams means 4 doubles right?

Great effort to actually put your choices as a coherent team list.

I make it 18 current teams plus Fitzroy = 19 teams and 3 double ups?

[bulldogtragic]

Came from Geelong to us, not the other way around

I'm confused, is it all ins, all outs or a combo?

[bulldogtragic]

Great effort to actually put your choices as a coherent team list.

I make it 18 current teams plus Fitzroy = 19 teams and 3 double ups?

Aren't we one of the 18? So 17 others plus Fitzroy?

My brain hurts. :)

[LostDoggy]

Great effort to actually put your choices as a coherent team list.

I make it 18 current teams plus Fitzroy = 19 teams and 3 double ups?

18 would include us, chuck in Murphy!

[Dry Rot]

I'm confused, is it all ins, all outs or a combo?

All outs, eg N Brown and Griffen.

And could we please put these good lists into a team structure?

[Dry Rot]

18 would include us, chuck in Murphy!

Ha Ha! My bad maths. Yes, it's 18 (excluding us) + Fitzroy.

My bad.

[bulldogtragic]

All outs, eg N Brown and Griffen.

And could we please put these good lists into a team structure?

Oh, I did in and out. If there's a cross thread soon, I stand by it.

[Dry Rot]

Oh, I did in and out. If there's a cross thread soon, I stand by it.

Yes, you did well. Wasn't talking about your post.

[bulldogtragic]

Yes, you did well. Wasn't talking about your post.

Nah Bring Bartlett Back Brother, I meant to put a smiley face. :) I confused myself.

[Dry Rot]

Nah Bring Bartlett Back Brother, I meant to put a smiley face. :) I confused myself.

Can you just imagine what we'd be like with Bartlett playing alongside Boyd?

[Twodogs]

Great thread DR. I will post my team tomorrow. It's almost bedtime.

[bulldogtragic]

Can you just imagine what we'd be like with Bartlett playing alongside Boyd?

Stuff imagine... BBB... I'm going to start a thread about a very big, I mean portly big, rotund big, draftee signing this year just to make it happen. The club is monitoring my posts to decide all off field decisions now. I have the power to make this happen, just give me go ahead and let me line up some tweeters.

[Dry Rot]

Great thread DR. I will post my team tomorrow. It's almost bedtime.

Thanks. Will you be dreaming again of Ben Harrison?

[boydogs]

B: Sam Power (NM), Brian Lake (Haw), Jordan McMahon (Rich)
HB: Brett Montgomery (PA), Luke Penny (StK), Andrejs Everitt (Syd)
C: Doug Hawkins (Fitz), Ryan Griffen (GWS), Stephen Powell (Melb)
HF: Josh Hill (WCE), Daniel Hargraves (Fre), Richard Osborne (Coll)
F: Shane Ellen (Adel), Liam Jones (Carl), Shaun Higgins (NM)
R: Ben Hudson (Coll), Adam Cooney (Ess), Daniel Cross (Melb)

Int: Michael McLean (BL), Callan Ward (GWS), Jarrod Harbrow (GC)
Sub: Mark Alvey (Ess)

Ess, Coll, NM, Melb, GWS x 2, no Geel

[BornInDroopSt'54]

The title of the thread has wrong spelling. 'Diaspora' not 'disapora'.

[Webby]

B: Sam Power (NM), Brian Lake (Haw), Jordan McMahon (Rich)
HB: Brett Montgomery (PA), Luke Penny (StK), Andrejs Everitt (Syd)
C: Doug Hawkins (Fitz), Ryan Griffen (GWS), Stephen Powell (Melb)
HF: Josh Hill (WCE), Daniel Hargraves (Fre), Richard Osborne (Coll)
F: Shane Ellen (Adel), Liam Jones (Carl), Shaun Higgins (NM)
R: Ben Hudson (Coll), Adam Cooney (Ess), Daniel Cross (Melb)

Int: Michael McLean (BL), Callan Ward (GWS), Jarrod Harbrow (GC)
Sub: Mark Alvey (Ess)

Ess, Coll, NM, Melb, GWS x 2, no Geel

Your interchange bench is your best line!

[GVGjr]

Toohey (Syd) Penny (stk) Dent (Fitz)
Harbrow (GCS) Doogs (wce) Monty (Port)
Hawkins (Roy's) Cross (Melb) Koster (adel)
Hudson (haw) Jones (Carl) Robbins (Geel)
N. Brown (r) Hall (Syd) Rawlings (Haw)
Dempsey (nth) Ward (gws) Cooney (Ess)
Magic M (Bris) , Osborne (Coll), Bandy/fwd and second ruck (Freo), OTHER/Cameron (rich)

2: Haw, Syd, Fitzroy. 18 teams means 4 doubles right?

I thought it was supposed to be players that departed us and went to other sides. Doogs never went back to WC, Toohey (swans) or Robbins to the Cats.

[GVGjr]

Backs: Harbrow (GCS) Lake (Hawth) Hardie (Brisb)
H Backs: Montgomery (Port) Rance (WC) Ray (Saints)
Cent: Hawkins (Fitz*) Stoneham (Ess) Featherby (Geel)
H Forw: Cameron (Rich*) Templeton (Melb) Brown (Rich)
Forwards: Round (Swans) Quinlan (Fitz) Bissett (Coll)
Rucks: Dempsey (North) McGuinness (Adel) Ward (GWS)
IC: Grgic (WC*) Hogg (Carl) Koster (Adel*) Wira (Freo)

Have I missed any team? I have left one spot open to be edited later
I have placed an * alongside the teams duplicated

[GVGjr]

Disapora



I was thinking about all the comings and goings this season, the most I can remember. And then I thought about the departures and what a team might look like made up from them.

IIRC in my time Dogs players have left and played for all the non-Vic teams now. Have Dogs players left and played for all the Vic based teams?

Can you pick a 22 man squad of past Dogs players, with one player from each team? (including Fitzroy) Therefore, you are only allowed 3 double ups.

What is your team like?

It's an 18 team comp but Fitzroy replaces the Bulldogs which still makes it 18. I think we need 4 duplicated teams to get the 22 players.

[Torpedo]

I would have David Thorpe (RICH) on wing and Georgie Bissett (COLL) as the forward pocket/rover.

[GVGjr]

I would have David Thorpe (RICH) on wing and Georgie Bissett (COLL) as the forward pocket/rover.

I already have two players from Richmond otherwise Thorpe would have been there. I agree I should replace Osborne with Bissett and will do. Thanks for that

[bornadog]

I thought it was supposed to be players that departed us and went to other sides. Doogs never went back to WC, Toohey (swans) or Robbins to the Cats.

Add Hall and Rawlings

[GVGjr]

Great thread DR. I will post my team tomorrow. It's almost bedtime.

You're up. It takes a while and a bit of thought.

[GVGjr]

Does anyone have an idea of what players we lost to Freo? Daniel Hargraves looks out of place in my team but I can't think of a better player to replace him with.

[bornadog]

Does anyone have an idea of what players we lost to Freo? Daniel Hargraves looks out of place in my team but I can't think of a better player to replace him with.

I don't think we have lost any other player to Fremantle but i could be wrong.

Edit: Brad Wira returned to Freo.

[GVGjr]

I don't think we have lost any other player to Fremantle but i could be wrong.

Brad Wira has been addedd

[Ozza]

Just a few names that come to mind when I think about ex-bulldogs from my lifetime.

B: M.McLean (B.Bears) L. Penny (St.K); Brad Wira (Freo)
HB: Montgomery (Port): Lake (Haw); L.Cameron (Rich)
C: T.McGuinness (Adel); K.Koster (Adel); A. Everitt (Carl)
HF: M.Alvey (Ess); J.Ballantyne (Coll); J.Mahoney (Port)
F: Osborne (Coll); Rawlings (Nth) Hardie (Bris.Bears)
R: B.Hudson (Bris); D.Cross (Melb); J.Plunkett (Carl)
Int: P.Hudson (Rich); M.Hogg (Carl); J.McMahon (Rich); J.Harbrow (GCS)

[bornadog]

Lost some great players in my years of following the dogs

All these back pre 1990 that I can remember and were still in their prime. (Except Templeton who had a dodgy knee)

Bernie Quinlan - Fitz
Gary Dempsey - North
Brian Wilson - Melbourne
Barry round - South Melb/Syd
Brad Hardie - Bris
Templeton - melbourne
(all Brownlow medalists)
Jimmy Edmond - Bris/Syd
Michael McClean - Bris
McGuiness - Adelaide

[GVGjr]

Guys, just to go over the rules as I know them and the challenge that awaits you:

1) You have to come up with the best 22 Bulldog players (in position) that left us to play at another side.
2) There are 17 other sides and Fitzroy and you must have a player from each of those sides. That makes 18 other sides.
3) Four players can be doubled up from the teams to give the best 22.

If I have missed anything let me know and I will add it to this thread.

[Webby]

Lost some great players in my years of following the dogs

All these back pre 1990 that I can remember and were still in their prime. (Except Templeton who had a dodgy knee)

Bernie Quinlan - Fitz
Gary Dempsey - North
Brian Wilson - Melbourne
Barry round - South Melb/Syd
Brad Hardie - Bris
Templeton - melbourne
(all Brownlow medalists)
Jimmy Edmond - Bris/Syd
Michael McClean - Bris
McGuiness - Adelaide

Wilson actually left for North - who then sent him to Melbourne.

David Thorpe & Bones McGhie both played in Richmond's 1974 flag side (as Centre & Centre Half back, no less!), whilst Fred Cook left for Yarraville/Port Melbourne.

Neil Cordy went to the Swans and kicked on with his footy. Shane Ellen kicked 5 in a premiership side with Adelaide and had Kim Koster beside him as he did it.

3 time b&f Ian Dunstan left us for North , albeit he did fk all for them. Georgie Bisset left for Collingwood, as did club captain, Laurie Sandilands a few years later.

Even EJ had a dabble with North around '72..! Bruce Reid (now famously) left for Carlton... And was booed by us in rd 1 the following year - despite the fact that the club pushed him there!

Darren Baxter (son of Ray), who was a solid performer and dogs through and through left for Hawthorn.... I'm nearly out, now...

[bornadog]

Wilson actually left for North - who then sent him to Melbourne.

David Thorpe & Bones McGhie both played in Richmond's 1974 flag side (as Centre & Centre Half back, no less!), whilst Fred Cook left for Yarraville/Port Melbourne.

Neil Cordy went to the Swans and kicked on with his footy. Shane Ellen kicked 5 in a premiership side with Adelaide and had Kim Koster beside him as he did it.

3 time b&f Ian Dunstan left us for North , albeit he did fk all for them. Georgie Bisset left for Collingwood, as did club captain, Laurie Sandilands a few years later.

Even EJ had a dabble with North around '72..! Bruce Reid (now famously) left for Carlton... And was booed by us in rd 1 the following year - despite the fact that the club pushed him there!

Darren Baxter (son of Ray), who was a solid performer and dogs through and through left for Hawthorn.... I'm nearly out, now...

Easy to forget all those. Thanks

[Twodogs]

It's an 18 team comp but Fitzroy replaces the Bulldogs which still makes it 18. I think we need 4 duplicated teams to get the 22 players.

University. Has a player ever left us to take up another code? We could add that-it is a diaspora after all. Or are they beyond redemption?


You're up. It takes a while and a bit of thought.

I wasn't actually. It's my day off. Kids are at mums. I was in bed.

[GVGjr]

University. Has a player ever left us to take up another code? We could add that-it is a diaspora after all. Or are they beyond redemption?


It's hard enough without getting too technical. :)

[Webby]

University. Has a player ever left us to take up another code? We could add that-it is a diaspora after all. Or are they beyond redemption?.

Ambrose Palmer used to often leave us for a season off to box! Three or four times, from memory. But to be fair, he boxed before he played footy and was always loyal to the club and the Footscray suburb. Even wore his Dogs jumper into the ring for one title fight..

[Hotdog60]

I was thinking of Tom Alvin but I suppose he never played for us and was poached from our zone.

[1eyedog]

B: Sam Power (NM), Brian Lake (Haw), Jordan McMahon (Rich)
HB: Brett Montgomery (PA), Luke Penny (StK), Andrejs Everitt (Syd)
C: Doug Hawkins (Fitz), Ryan Griffen (GWS), Stephen Powell (Melb)
HF: Josh Hill (WCE), Daniel Hargraves (Fre), Richard Osborne (Coll)
F: Shane Ellen (Adel), Liam Jones (Carl), Shaun Higgins (NM)
R: Ben Hudson (Coll), Adam Cooney (Ess), Daniel Cross (Melb)

Int: Michael McLean (BL), Callan Ward (GWS), Jarrod Harbrow (GC)
Sub: Mark Alvey (Ess)

Ess, Coll, NM, Melb, GWS x 2, no Geel

Surely have to find a spot at FF for KT as opposed to Liam Jones!

[Webby]

Ray Huppatz, Dennis Collins..

[LostDog]

B: Brad Wira (Freo), Brian Lake (Haw), Brad Hardy (Bris)
HB: Brett Montgomery (PA), Luke Penny (StK), Farren Ray (St K)
C: Doug Hawkins (Fitz), Ryan Griffen (GWS), Simon Atkins (Fitz)
HF: Nathan Brown (Rich), Craig Ellis (Melb), Richard Osborne (Coll)
F: Paul Hudson (Rich), Templeton (Melbourne), Shaun Higgins (NM)
R: Ben Hudson (Bris), Adam Cooney (Ess), Daniel Cross (Melb)

Int: Michael McLean (BL), Callan Ward (GWS), Jarrod Harbrow (GC)
Sub: Josh Mahoney (Port)

[LostDog]

I would add Lachlan Veal as emergency

[Webby]

Matthew Hogg, Mark Athorn (Hogg's a Carlton premiership player, from memory).

[Torpedo]

Jim Edmond, captain, leading goalkicker seems to have been overlooked. Moved on over a
pay dispute from memory. Landed at Sydney and then the Brisbane Bears. Hard man on the field.

[SlimPickens]

Harbrow (GC) Penny (St K) Wira (Freo)
McLean (Bris) Lake (Haw) Everitt (Syd)
Atkins (Fitz) Ward (GWS) Koster (Adel)
Osborne(Coll) Jones (Carl) Hill (WCE)
Brown (Rich) Rawlings (NM) Monty (PA)

Grigic (Ess) Cross (Melb) Nankervis*(Geel)

*had to do a bit of research here.

[bornadog]

Harbrow (GC) Penny (St K) Wira (Freo)
McLean (Bris) Lake (Haw) Everitt (Syd)
Atkins (Fitz) Ward (GWS) Koster (Adel)
Osborne(Coll) Jones (Carl) Hill (WCE)
Brown (Rich) Rawlings (NM) Monty (PA)

Grigic (Ess) Cross (Melb) Nankervis*(Geel)

*had to do a bit of research here.

No love for team of the century CHF/FF ? or team of the century Ruckman and 5 times B&F

[SlimPickens]

No love for team of the century CHF/FF ? or team of the century Ruckman and 5 times B&F

Tried to stick to my vintage, with Nankervis being the only exception.

[bornadog]

Tried to stick to my vintage, with Nankervis being the only exception.

fair enough

[Axe Man]

Harbrow (GC) Penny (St K) Wira (Freo)
McLean (Bris) Lake (Haw) Everitt (Syd)
Atkins (Fitz) Ward (GWS) Koster (Adel)
Osborne(Coll) Jones (Carl) Hill (WCE)
Brown (Rich) Rawlings (NM) Monty (PA)

Grigic (Ess) Cross (Melb) Nankervis*(Geel)

*had to do a bit of research here.

Big Ilija went to West Coast before he ended up at Essendon.

[Webby]

Jim Edmond, captain, leading goalkicker seems to have been overlooked. Moved on over a
pay dispute from memory. Landed at Sydney and then the Brisbane Bears. Hard man on the field.

Yep, and to compound things, news of his imminent departure was released (or leaked) prior to our 2nd semi against Hawthorn in 1985.... We got smashed by 84 odd points! For me, that was far bigger than Griffen's departure as a calamity.

As it was, Edmond had one ordinary year for Sydney - prior to being sent to Brisbane (due to the salary cap being introduced and a lot of the higher paid, under-performers being palmed off).

He ended up playing 30-odd games over three years with two different clubs after leaving as our highly respected, fearless leader. A man's man who could've been a legend. However he ended up a journeyman who was wilfully forgotten by the rank and file. A real pity.

I predict Griffen to go the same way.

[SlimPickens]

Big Ilija went to West Coast before he ended up at Essendon.

Well we could replace Hill at WCE with Cooney at Essendon and Big Ilija can then be my WCE player. Worse then trade week!!!

[Twodogs]

Yep, and to compound things, news of his imminent departure was released (or leaked) prior to our 2nd semi against Hawthorn in 1985.... We got smashed by 84 odd points! For me, that was far bigger than Griffen's departure as a calamity.

As it was, Edmond had one ordinary year for Sydney - prior to being sent to Brisbane (due to the salary cap being introduced and a lot of the higher paid, under-performers being palmed off).

He ended up playing 30-odd games over three years with two different clubs after leaving as our highly respected, fearless leader. A man's man who could've been a legend. However he ended up a journeyman who was wilfully forgotten by the rank and file. A real pity.

I predict Griffen to go the same way.

Yeah. It was a shame about Jock. He was a good a captain (apart from the walking out on the club thing) we've had. Maybe Scotty Wynd has been better in my time.

[craigsahibee]

Tried a few obscure ones here. Not necessarily the best 22

Backs: M Dent (Hawthorn) L Sandilands (Collingwood) J McMahon (Richmond)
Half Backs: W Foreman (Essendon) L Penny (St Kilda) J Harbrow (Gold Coast)
Centre: K Koster (Adelaide) P Featherby (Geelong via Subiaco) D Hawkins (Fitzroy)
Half Forwards: B Wilson (Nth Melbourne) D Hargraves (Fremantle) B Montgomery (Port Adelaide)
Forwards: J Hill (West Coast) K Templeton (Melbourne) B Reid (Carlton)

Rucks: B Round (Sydney/Sth) M McLean (Brisbane) R Huppatz (Nth Melbourne)

Inter: D Addison (GWS) A Ford (St Kilda) I Low (Collingwood) A Stoneham (Essendon)

[Twodogs]

Backs Hardie, Sandllands, Wira

Half-backs MacMahon, McGhie, Harbrow

centres Hawkins, Thorpe, Collins

Half-forwards Hudson, Templeton, Maclean

Forwards Edmond, Quinlan, Montgomery

Rucks Dempsey, Dunstan, Huppatz

I/C Stoneham, Round, Wilson, Griffen

Emergencies Ward, MacGuiness, Lake.

That includes the 7 club captains and 3 of the 4 Brownlow medalists who went to other clubs(the other one hasn't actually played for his new club yet) and the 3 players who went onto win the Brownlow medal at other clubs. I hate the bloody Brownlow medal. I wish they'd stop giving it to our players. Thank Christ they cheated Granty out of his and that Scooter never won the half dozen or so he deserved to.

[GVGjr]

Is that one from each team and 4 double ups?

Don't you have 4 going to Richmond?

[Twodogs]

Sorry I just wanted to get all the captains and brownlowists in my time at the club into one team. I'll put my entry team up later.

[bornadog]

Sorry I just wanted to get all the captains and brownlowists in my time at the club into one team. I'll put my entry team up later.
Great team though.

[Twodogs]

Great team though.

Thanks mate.

What we should do is organise a game between that side and the players recruited from other clubs side.