List Management 2015

[bulldogtragic]

Interesting.

I actually wouldn't have been against it.

Re: Lobbe, if true, I will eternally be grateful he went to Vietnam, because that would have been an abysmal trade.

Bate, Dawes, Gumbleton, Lobbe (for 11). Good luck or good management??

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Bate, Dawes, Gumbleton, Lobbe (for 11). Good luck or good management??

Lonergan and Greenwood too.

Somebody's watching over us.

[bulldogtragic]

Lonergan and Greenwood too.

Somebody's watching over us.

Koops, Street, Rawlings, Young, Vezpremi, Sherman.... That somebody is doing ok, but they need to lift their game.

[Remi Moses]

I think port might have changed their mind when we put 11 on the table .
They were posturing about being a required player constantly .

[Sedat]

Not sure why the negativity on Lobbe. He was borderline elite in 2013-2014 when he was 1st ruck and he would undoubtedly be an upgrade on any of our current ruckmen - some of us are rating Campbell and Roughy on potential to improve and not on current output thus far, and we all know Minno's limitations in the modern game. My only problem with the trade would be the over-weighting of similar ruck types on our list - Lobbe is basically a better version of Campbell and Minson in all facets, and had we picked him up and not off-loaded at least Minson then our list would be top-heavy.

Goldstein used to really struggle when rucking in tandem with McIntosh and has blossomed since being given the #1 mantle. Lobbe is currently in a similar position at Port - he thrives on the extra workload and responsibility of being head banana.

As BT has noted, it will be Port's loss not to have traded Lobbe this year because there's no way that Ryder and Dixon won't be played next year with the fat contracts that they are on. Hopefully he has another indifferent year and can be picked up on the cheap in 12 months' time

[Mofra]

As BT has noted, it will be Port's loss not to have traded Lobbe this year because there's no way that Ryder and Dixon won't be played next year with the fat contracts that they are on. Hopefully he has another indifferent year and can be picked up on the cheap in 12 months' time
This would be my hope - especially considering he knows we're interested

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Not sure why the negativity on Lobbe. He was borderline elite in 2013-2014 when he was 1st ruck and he would undoubtedly be an upgrade on any of our current ruckmen - some of us are rating Campbell and Roughy on potential to improve and not on current output thus far, and we all know Minno's limitations in the modern game. My only problem with the trade would be the over-weighting of similar ruck types on our list - Lobbe is basically a better version of Campbell and Minson in all facets, and had we picked him up and not off-loaded at least Minson then our list would be top-heavy.

Goldstein used to really struggle when rucking in tandem with McIntosh and has blossomed since being given the #1 mantle. Lobbe is currently in a similar position at Port - he thrives on the extra workload and responsibility of being head banana.

As BT has noted, it will be Port's loss not to have traded Lobbe this year because there's no way that Ryder and Dixon won't be played next year with the fat contracts that they are on. Hopefully he has another indifferent year and can be picked up on the cheap in 12 months' time

The negativity is based around what we would have coughed up. Pick 11 (or Pick 20/21 now effectively) + Minson/Campbell/Roughy is much better than Lobbe/Minson/Campbell/Roughy.

Lobbe is an upgrade but not by much. As you said he's a better version of Minson, but in reality he still is a player who can't mark, find enough of the ball or play anywhere else other than ruck. I'd much rather we get a 5% (roughly) downgrade return on our current ruck stocks and (hopefully) pick up two quality players at 20/211 than invest heavily in Lobbe.

If we can get him cheaper next season then I'm fine with it.

[Mofra]

Interesting we haven't nominated Darcy MacPherson.
Looking a little more at list balance this draft by the look of it.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Interesting we haven't nominated Darcy MacPherson.
Looking a little more at list balance this draft by the look of it.

Correct (and somewhat forced) decision given the smaller types we've recruited over the last 3 years.

Assuming he gets picked up it'll be interesting to compare say Honeychurch and MacPherson.

[always right]

With so many small players on our list currently, we are going to have some interesting decisions come the end of the year as to who we retain and who we potentially trade/delist.

Of the mosquito fleet most seem to think Hrovat is the most vulnerable. Personally I think Hrovat has shown greater potential than Honeychurch so far. Neither blessed with great pace but Hrovat plays a more explosive style so I have him in front at the moment. Caleb has gone past both already.

[hujsh]

Koops, Street, Rawlings, Young, Vezpremi, Sherman.... That somebody is doing ok, but they need to lift their game.

That was the old guy. He was fired for incompetence. The replacement is much better.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I think the small forward we are talking about is the crumbing forward who can turn a half chance into a goal and cause panic amongst the defenders with his speed. Dicko is more of a mark and kick forward.

Jarrad Grant could play that small forward role as he did in 2013 before injury. His snaps are as good as Dahl's. Alas not to be.

[1eyedog]

Interesting we haven't nominated Darcy MacPherson.
Looking a little more at list balance this draft by the look of it.

If we thought he was good enough we would have picked him up, but not to be. We've clearly got no problem stockpiling a type with a view to assessing who the flotsam and jetsam are at a later date.

[Mofra]

Jarrad Grant could play that small forward role as he did in 2013 before injury. His snaps are as good as Dahl's. Alas not to be.
We don't play a specialist small forward anymore though - I do think in a team that plays that role he'd be useful

[always right]

Any interest in Majak Daw? North plan to rookie him.....if he's available.

[GVGjr]

Any interest in Majak Daw? North plan to rookie him if he's.....available.

He would have to be cleared from his charges before we could even consider.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Any interest in Majak Daw? North plan to rookie him.....if he's available.

This country and the African diaspora need an African born player to succeed at AFL. I hope Daw is innocent and succeeds, with us would be good.

[bornadog]

This country and the African diaspora need an African born player to succeed at AFL. I hope Daw is innocent and succeeds, with us would be good.

I was hoping some years back we could list him, but North beat us. Not sure what has happened to his development, he will be 25 next year by the time the season starts so should be starting his peak years.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I was hoping some years back we could list him, but North beat us. Not sure what has happened to his development, he will be 25 next year by the time the season starts so should be starting his peak years.

Is he that old already? It must be time for a change of team and development. However with charges pending it's hard to see anyone else taking him on.

[Sedat]

He would have to be cleared from his charges before we could even consider.
Purely from a playing perspective he does add a different skill set to the ruck role than what we currently have on our list. His knowledge of the game has improved in leaps and bounds since he was initially drafted but he was coming from a mile back (not dissimilar to Redders in terms of year-by-year improvement). But he's going nowhere at Norf stuck behind Goldy, Petrie and co.

I don't mind him at all as a potential rookie selection (off-field issues pending of course).

[Rocco Jones]

Not a huge fan of Daw but he is at the worst possible club (other than possibly WC) in terms of opportunity.

Goldy is utterly elite as a ruckman and can play most of the game in the ruck.

Then they have Ben Brown who really suits the 2nd ruck role, not too many in the game better at it.

As a forward he is up against Waite and Petrie. Aaron Black can't crack it for a game.

As the Dogs he has no one really putting his hand up in the ruck, Redpath/Roughy/T Boyd as okay 2nd ruck options and then no one really warranting a cemented spot as a tall forward.

[lemmon]

What about Harper delisted by North? Weren't we interested during the mooted Cooney trade

[Rocco Jones]

What about Harper delisted by North? Weren't we interested during the mooted Cooney trade

Yep. Our rookie list might get a distinct North Melbourne feel.

[Rocco Jones]

Pick 51 for Mitch Brown (the formerly delisted one).

[Dancin' Douggy]

The changes are a real concern, but I think he is definitely worth a rookie spot if the case goes nowhere.

Maybe we contact him and say something along those lines.

The idea being we play him as a true ruck man.

[Rocco Jones]

A rookie spot = a one year contract on minimal payments right? If he is guilty, do we even have to pay him out? Even if we have to, it would be minimal. PR is the obvious concern.

[GVGjr]

A rookie spot = a one year contract on minimal payments right? If he is guilty, do we even have to pay him out? Even if we have to, it would be minimal. PR is the obvious concern.

We can't bring in a player with that serious of a charge still to be cleared when Bonts is the face against domestic violence against women.

[Twodogs]

We can't bring in a player with that serious of a charge still to be cleared when Bonts is the face against domestic violence against women.

You're right, it wouldn't be a good look.

[Remi Moses]

No thanks to magic Daw .
Besides the obvious, I don't reckon he's got the smarts to get there

[F'scary]

We can't bring in a player with that serious of a charge still to be cleared when Bonts is the face against domestic violence against women.

That is not the nature of the case against Daw. It was a drunken teen party episode, everyone knew each other.

[Happy Days]

That is not the nature of the case against Daw. It was a drunken teen party episode, everyone knew each other.

Man...

[F'scary]

Man...

Meaning?

[F'scary]

Man...

I'll assume what you mean and clarify my comment. Merely that Daw's case is not what would usually be grouped into the category of crime termed "domestic violence."

[Happy Days]

I'll assume what you mean and clarify my comment. Merely that Daw's case is not what would usually be grouped into the category of crime termed "domestic violence."

I think it's reductive and kind of gross to brush it off as a "drunken teen party episode" to be honest.

[Twodogs]

I'll assume what you mean and clarify my comment. Merely that Daw's case is not what would usually be grouped into the category of crime termed "domestic violence."

Dude.

[GVGjr]

That is not the nature of the case against Daw. It was a drunken teen party episode, everyone knew each other.

I'm obviously not reading this in the same way you are but for what it's worth I still believe it would be counter productive to recruit a player with this sort of charge that needs to be cleared when Marcus Bontempelli is the face against violence against women. Knowing someone or everyone at a party does not diminish the act if proven.

This snippet from the Age and the link has been added below.

A woman has told a court she screamed and tried to fight off North Melbourne footballer Majak Daw during her alleged rape in 2007.

Magistrate Donna Bakos committed Daw, 23, to stand trial over the alleged attack on Tuesday. He pleaded not guilty to three charges of rape, which allegedly happened at a house party in Melbourne's west in March 2007.

The woman, who was 15 at the time of the allegations, said in court documents that Daw would have known she did not consent to his sexual advances at the time.

read more (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/majak-daw-committed-to-stand-trial-over-alleged-rape-20141216-1284pl.html)

[F'scary]

I think it's reductive and kind of gross to brush it off as a "drunken teen party episode" to be honest.

Doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed.

[F'scary]

I'm obviously not reading this in the same way you are but for what it's worth I still believe it would be counter productive to recruit a player with this sort of charge that needs to be cleared when Marcus Bontempelli is the face against violence against women. Knowing someone or everyone at a party does not diminish the act if proven.

This snippet from the Age and the link has been added below.

A woman has told a court she screamed and tried to fight off North Melbourne footballer Majak Daw during her alleged rape in 2007.

Magistrate Donna Bakos committed Daw, 23, to stand trial over the alleged attack on Tuesday. He pleaded not guilty to three charges of rape, which allegedly happened at a house party in Melbourne's west in March 2007.

The woman, who was 15 at the time of the allegations, said in court documents that Daw would have known she did not consent to his sexual advances at the time.

read more (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/majak-daw-committed-to-stand-trial-over-alleged-rape-20141216-1284pl.html)

No, we are reading it the same. I don't think there is any AFL club that is for violence against women but since we have a specific campaign with one of our players as the face, it would be too awkward, even if he has not been found guilty yet.

[Rocco Jones]

Doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed.

Yes but them knowing each other makes no difference. To be honest quite offensive to make out like it does.

[F'scary]

Yes but them knowing each other makes no difference. To be honest quite offensive to make out like it does.

I didn't. I did want to make sure that I didn't imply that it was of the nature of a kidnap and sexual assault by a stranger. But I did not intend to imply triviality.

[jeemak]

He's not good enough to be on our list.

We can get through with what we've got until we can get someone better. At this point in time we should only be looking for premium to middle players as recruits, we don't want to dilute out talent profile with average players that aren't particularly good at fulfilling a role.

[S Coast Simon]

Daniel Gorringe is available from GCS. We were interested in a trade for him at one stage I thought. Would be a great rookie candidate surely. Anyone else think he would be a good idea

[GVGjr]

Daniel Gorringe is available from GCS. We were interested in a trade for him at one stage I thought. Would be a great rookie candidate surely. Anyone else think he would be a good idea

There might be some questions about his character however, if we are comfortable with that we would be interested.

You would have to ask why a club that losses key talls and ruckman in Dixon and Smith have also let go of Gorringe.

[Bulldog4life]

There might be some questions about his character however, if we are comfortable with that we would be interested.

You would have to ask why a club that losses key talls and ruckman in Dixon and Smith have also let go of Gorringe.

You would think Hinkley would know about his character being an assistant up there before he got the gig at Port. Yet he was very keen to get him last year.

[Mofra]

I didn't. I did want to make sure that I didn't imply that it was of the nature of a kidnap and sexual assault by a stranger. But I did not intend to imply triviality.
The vast majority of sexual assault (over 90%) is by someone known to the victim so not sure you're adding much by mentioning it.

[GVGjr]

You would think Hinkley would know about his character being an assistant up there before he got the gig at Port. Yet he was very keen to get him last year.

I guess so but a lot can happen in 3 years when a player struggles to get a game.

[Greystache]

If you can't get a game at Gold Coast you're a pretty ordinary footballer. If you're tall and can't get a game at Gold Coast you were probably recruited by Scott Clayton.

I doubt Port Melbourne would be interested in Gorringe.

[bornadog]

If you can't get a game at Gold Coast you're a pretty ordinary footballer. If you're tall and can't get a game at Gold Coast you were probably recruited by Scott Clayton.

I doubt Port Melbourne would be interested in Gorringe.

He was behind Tom Nicholls and Zac Smith and couldn't crack a game.

[Greystache]

He was behind Tom Nicholls and Zac Smith and couldn't crack a game.

Exactly. He couldn't crack a game in front of two C graders.

[GVGjr]

He was behind Tom Nicholls and Zac Smith and couldn't crack a game.

But surely there was to be a question about why a club that trades Smith and Dixon and then can't find a spot for Gorringe.

[Bulldog4life]

But surely there was to be a question about why a club that trades Smith and Dixon and then can't find a spot for Gorringe.

Any player who has a surname that sounds like a fruit can't be any good.;)

[KT31]

Any player who has a surname that sounds like a fruit can't be any good.;)

Could get picked up by GWS and they would finally having something that rhymes with orange.:D

[The Doctor]

Here is a list from the AFL site of players who might be of interest to certain clubs.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-31/worth-a-look-the-delisted-afl-players-your-club-could-consider

also a list of all players delisted;

http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings

Does anyone appeal?

[Sedat]

Here is a list from the AFL site of players who might be of interest to certain clubs.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-31/worth-a-look-the-delisted-afl-players-your-club-could-consider

also a list of all players delisted;

http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings

Does anyone appeal?
I like Josh Thomas out of that motley bunch of footballers - only problem is that he won't be available until 2017. Can play.

[Doc26]

I like Josh Thomas out of that motley bunch of footballers - only problem is that he won't be available until 2017. Can play.

Interesting rookie option. Might be an avenue to get him before the 'rush' next year and at the same time look to use his rookie salary as a way of partially front loading his salary next year, if he was agreeable. Is he still permitted to train with a Club under his sanction ?

[LostDoggy]

I think Thomas is definitely AFL standard, but with Maclean, Daniel, Hrovat, Honeychurch all struggling to find a spot behind Hunter and Dahlhaus for that half forward, pushing into midfield type role, I can't see that Thomas really adds much to us in terms of list balance as another smaller type in this role.

Our non-nomination of Darcy Macpherson, another short forward/mid, tends to indicate that our list managers see things similarly.

I think we'd only look at delisted free agents to address specific needs. Don't reckon we'll take any, but Grimley, Watson or Daw may be considered for at least a Rookie spot.

[GVGjr]

Here is a list from the AFL site of players who might be of interest to certain clubs.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-31/worth-a-look-the-delisted-afl-players-your-club-could-consider

also a list of all players delisted;

http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings

Does anyone appeal?

I would add this to the discussion as well.

State League Players
(http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-25/state-league-gems-who-are-the-rough-diamonds-in-the-afl-mix)

[Hotdog60]

I would add this to the discussion as well.

State League Players
(http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-25/state-league-gems-who-are-the-rough-diamonds-in-the-afl-mix)

Not that I know anything about him but Pat Levicki could be worth a look on size and plays as a defender. Any Norwood watcher out there can give us an opinion.

[Doc26]

I think Thomas is definitely AFL standard, but with Maclean, Daniel, Hrovat, Honeychurch all struggling to find a spot behind Hunter and Dahlhaus for that half forward, pushing into midfield type role, I can't see that Thomas really adds much to us in terms of list balance as another smaller type in this role.

Our non-nomination of Darcy Macpherson, another short forward/mid, tends to indicate that our list managers see things similarly.

I think we'd only look at delisted free agents to address specific needs. Don't reckon we'll take any, but Grimley, Watson or Daw may be considered for at least a Rookie spot.

Probably a moot point with Thomas anyway given Derek Hine confirmed the following 2 days back.


Pies recruiting boss Derek Hine confirmed on Friday the club would rookie-list the suspended pair (Thomas & O'Keefe) with the last two of four Collingwood rookie selections.

The rookie draft takes place on Friday November 27, three days after the national draft, with no other club interested in the pair.

They will not play or train with the Pies in any capacity next year given they are serving drug suspensions for the use of clenbuterol.

[Ghost Dog]

Majak Daw may be selected based on his ability to interest a certain demographic in the Western Suburbs....

[LostDoggy]

Majak Daw may be selected based on his ability to interest a certain demographic in the Western Suburbs....

If that's a consideration, maybe Gach Nyuon in the draft? Reckon we could do worse if he's still available at 51. Very raw 200 cm Sudanese prospect with a bit of Blicavs about his game.

[Rocco Jones]

Majak Daw may be selected based on his ability to interest a certain demographic in the Western Suburbs....

I think marketing/PR reasoning will end up hurting rather than helping him.

[KT31]

Majak Daw may be selected based on his ability to interest a certain demographic in the Western Suburbs....

Hope this is not in reference to his pending court case.

[Rocco Jones]

How valuable would Mitch Brown be to us?

[Ghost Dog]

Hope this is not in reference to his pending court case.

Ah actually I forgot all about that. Heck would not touch him then.

[GVGjr]

How valuable would Mitch Brown be to us?

I think he fits our needs nicely. He can play as a forward and as a key defender and I wonder if he could alternate between the two allowing Roughead a couple of goes in the ruck each game.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

How valuable would Mitch Brown be to us?

Mitch could be the next Galaxy Coleman, merrily clunking everything that comes his way.

[LostDoggy]

Mitch could be the next Galaxy Coleman, merrily clunking everything that comes his way.

;) With that cock-eyed expression look on his face,staring blankly into outer space.

To Infinity And Beyond!!! ;)

[The Doctor]

Adcock on the radar?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jed-adock-confident-of-finding-new-afl-home-with-western-bulldogs-one-club-interested/news-story/a564989aa649f15e7c503565e4a4eaf4

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Adcock on the radar?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jed-adock-confident-of-finding-new-afl-home-with-western-bulldogs-one-club-interested/news-story/a564989aa649f15e7c503565e4a4eaf4

As a rookie, no issue with it. I wouldn't want to use a draft pick on him though.

[Twodogs]

Can't acces it. Can somebody post the text please?

[LostDoggy]

I think Adcock is a good player, but I don't think we're the club for him at this point in his career. Any 1st team time he gets this year will be at the expense of a Webb or a Dale or similar, don't see the value.

[boydogs]

Can't acces it. Can somebody post the text please?

FORMER Brisbane midfielder Jed Adcock is confident of finding a new home in one of next week’s drafts, with the Western Bulldogs one of several circling clubs.

Adcock was forced out of Brisbane at only 29 given the club’s youth push but is keen to play on elsewhere.

Next Tuesday’s national draft is followed by the pre-season draft and rookie draft the following Friday.

In an extremely thin national draft a number of clubs might take delisted players with late picks because they can sign them up for only a single season.

Clubs must sign 18-year-olds on two-year deals and many are reluctant to commit to kids they don’t believe will ever make the grade.

Adcock’s manager Anthony McConville confirmed on Tuesday the Dogs were one of several clubs who had expressed interest in the former captain.

The Dogs would seem more likely to consider him for the rookie draft next Friday given they have only four national draft picks — 20, 21, 30 and 51.

“The Dogs have an interest, that’s all I can say. He has met with a couple of clubs and time will tell where they and the Western Bulldogs sit, but I am confident he will be at another club,’’ McConville said.

“He has been doing boxing and has a personal trainer in Brisbane so he’s working really hard in the off-season to really prove a point.

“He is a proud man and he is looking forward to making the most of another opportunity.

“At this stage he won’t get picked up as a free agent but as to where he ends up, that will be up to the footy gods.”

[Twodogs]

He would be excellent cover. He's only 29 too I thought he was a bit older.

[GVGjr]

McConville has a cheek putting the media pressure on us. Whats happened to the old straight bat approach of yes there is a club or two interested? Still I wouldn't expect much in ethics from him.

I think it's an interesting approach to consider him but it might not sit well with potentially a 29yo being added even if it is a rookie spot. I think it's probably insurance for Clay Smiths injury.

[Doggy]

McConville has a cheek putting the media pressure on us. Whats happened to the old straight bat approach of yes there is a club or two interested? Still I wouldn't expect much in ethics from him.

I think it's an interesting approach to consider him but it might not sit well with many potentially a 29yo being added even if it is a rookie spot. I think it's probably insurance for Clay Smiths injury.

Better ethics than his older brother.
Google Mark McConvlle.

[bornadog]

No Thankyou on Adcock

[Mofra]

I think it's an interesting approach to consider him but it might not sit well with potentially a 29yo being added even if it is a rookie spot. I think it's probably insurance for Clay Smiths injury.
We can rookie him and play him straight away by placing Clay on the LTI list, he'll take longer than 8 weeks to get back.
I'm comfortable with it, he's just turned 30 according to Wiki and probably has a year or two longer left than Boyd

[Axe Man]

We have to remember our rookie list is effectively only 3 players next year with Roarke Smith likely to miss most of the season.

We probably can't afford to have 3 speculative long term prospects take up those rookie spots. We will need at least one ready to go player that we can call upon if needed. Adcock fits that bill. He would be a Brett Goodes replacement.

[josie]

I like Adcock as a player and think he has plenty to offer, whether that be as mentor in VFL or to play in senior side. Also, he is reasonably tall. Hopefully we can use a rookie spot rather than use one of our main draft picks.

[Sedat]

No Thankyou on Adcock
As a rookie, why not? He is clearly AFL quality and has only left Brisbane because they've gone on yet another youth splurge. I'm not confident Clay Smith will ever be the player we drafted him for, and Libba is coming off a serious knee. Stevens has also had his fair share of injuries throughout his AFL career to date.

No issues at all if we rookie him, and also not fussed at all if another club takes him instead.

[S Coast Simon]

Happy to rookie him for backup. I don't think we need to have to many speculative selections on the rookie list. The young boys will need a rest at some stages and he could come in tough and ready to muscle in

[Bulldog Joe]

Surely the only option for Adcock is the rookie list and I mean with any club.

If anyone was seriously interested in him for their main list they would be just adding him as a delisted free agent now.

[LostDoggy]

On another forum they are currently constructing a consensus best 22 for next year.

They have our back pockets/flanks as Morris, Wood, MBoyd & Murphy.
Wings are Macrae and Hunter.
Centre Square Mids are Bont, Wallis and Libba.
Small forwards are Dahlhaus and Maclean.

All fairly reasonable.

They haven't done the interchange yet. Given a tall utility is a distinct option this year, that leaves 3-4 interchange spots for Picken, JJ, Suckling, Stevens, Webb, Dale, Biggs, Jong, Honeychurch, Hrovat, Prudden and the others (before draftees).

This is why I just don't see the need for a 30 year old midsize utility like Adcock. We need to be getting games into players 5-12 on this list, any games they don't get is just slowed development.

[Happy Days]

I'm good with it. He showed what he can do in that round 23 exhibition game and is clearly AFL standard. When we needed to rest/replace HBF'ers at stages last year Sam Darley got a run; looking at it that way, why not?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

On another forum they are currently constructing a consensus best 22 for next year.

They have our back pockets/flanks as Morris, Wood, MBoyd & Murphy.
Wings are Macrae and Hunter.
Centre Square Mids are Bont, Wallis and Libba.
Small forwards are Dahlhaus and Maclean.

All fairly reasonable.

They haven't done the interchange yet. Given a tall utility is a distinct option this year, that leaves 3-4 interchange spots for Picken, JJ, Suckling, Stevens, Webb, Dale, Biggs, Jong, Honeychurch, Hrovat, Prudden and the others (before draftees).

This is why I just don't see the need for a 30 year old midsize utility like Adcock. We need to be getting games into players 5-12 on this list, any games they don't get is just slowed development.

We'll never have our ideal best 22 on the park at the same time. Injuries and form fluctuations are simply a given.

It is a myth that players can't "develop" playing VFL/Foootscray. We can't gift games to players simply because they are young. They need to play the right way and earn their spot, particularly given the healthy state of our list, and there's nothing wrong with that and friendly competition to elevate one another's performance.

Adcock for a rookie list spot would be great cover. A hungry, quality, versatile and experienced player who can provide good leadership for our young players, challenge them, and also potentially contribute to making us a better side.

[bornadog]

As a rookie, why not? He is clearly AFL quality and has only left Brisbane because they've gone on yet another youth splurge. I'm not confident Clay Smith will ever be the player we drafted him for, and Libba is coming off a serious knee. Stevens has also had his fair share of injuries throughout his AFL career to date.

No issues at all if we rookie him, and also not fussed at all if another club takes him instead.

The rookie list is not designed to take 29/30 year old players, but that theory is gone out the door.

Complete waste of a spot when we could be blooding another youngish player or early 20's ruckman and some KPP. We don't need another midfielder.

[Bulldog4life]

We'll never have our ideal best 22 on the park at the same time. Injuries and form fluctuations are simply a given.

It is a myth that players can't "develop" playing VFL/Foootscray. We can't gift games to players simply because they are young. They need to play the right way and earn their spot, particularly given the healthy state of our list, and there's nothing wrong with that and friendly competition to elevate one another's performance.

Adcock for a rookie list spot would be great cover. A hungry, quality, versatile and experienced player who can provide good leadership for our young players, challenge them, and also potentially contribute to making us a better side.

Agree. Adcock is a versatile player too. Kicked 4 goals against us in the last match this season and plays in the backline and mid field too. A very good rookie get.

[LostDoggy]

We'll never have our ideal best 22 on the park at the same time. Injuries and form fluctuations are simply a given.

It is a myth that players can't "develop" playing VFL/Foootscray. We can't gift games to players simply because they are young. They need to play the right way and earn their spot, particularly given the healthy state of our list, and there's nothing wrong with that and friendly competition to elevate one another's performance.

Adcock for a rookie list spot would be great cover. A hungry, quality, versatile and experienced player who can provide good leadership for our young players, challenge them, and also potentially contribute to making us a better side.

It's true that injuries and form will mean you need back up. In my opinion, 11 players (or more) is adequate cover for the spots Adcock can assist in. I also reckon a 27YO Suckling has already been recruited for that extra midsize defender/utility cover that Adcock can also cover.

I also can't really agree that AFL games will not develop players quicker than VFL, particularly the Webbs and Jongs who can kill it in the VFL but are yet to establish themselves consistently at AFL level.

I understand the counter arguments, which are reasonable. I just think our list is at a point where fringe mids/running defenders who are ready need maximum exposure and our rookie spots need to go to prospects in positions where our ranks are thinner.

[Twodogs]

It's true that injuries and form will mean you need back up. In my opinion, 11 players (or more) is adequate cover for the spots Adcock can assist in. I also reckon a 27YO Suckling has already been recruited for that extra midsize defender/utility cover that Adcock can also cover.

I also can't really agree that AFL games will not develop players quicker than VFL, particularly the Webbs and Jongs who can kill it in the VFL but are yet to establish themselves consistently at AFL level.

I understand the counter arguments, which are reasonable. I just think our list is at a point where fringe mids/running defenders who are ready need maximum exposure and our rookie spots need to go to prospects in positions where our ranks are thinner.


I agree that some players can only go so far at one level before they really need to go onto the next level before they improve again.i also agree with TBB that having the Footscrat VFL side is a terrific tool to have to improve players and a lot of the younger players on our list will play most of the year there. I don't think that Adcock is too much of an indulgence as a Rookie. Good cover for a few different positions and I see him as competing for a different position in the team than a 19 or a 20 year old. He brings lots of things in his kit bag that separates him and defines his team functions apart from the kids

[GVGjr]

We'll never have our ideal best 22 on the park at the same time. Injuries and form fluctuations are simply a given.

It is a myth that players can't "develop" playing VFL/Foootscray. We can't gift games to players simply because they are young. They need to play the right way and earn their spot, particularly given the healthy state of our list, and there's nothing wrong with that and friendly competition to elevate one another's performance.

Adcock for a rookie list spot would be great cover. A hungry, quality, versatile and experienced player who can provide good leadership for our young players, challenge them, and also potentially contribute to making us a better side.

Couldn't agree more, when we were aligned with Williamstown it was seen as the excuse to explain why some players weren't developing and after going to considerable expense to put a great Footscray team on the park, coached by our own coaches and playing in the same manner the seniors do so many people simply don't want the youngsters playing there regardless of the form displayed. Let them earn their promotions

[LostDoggy]

I agree that some players can only go so far at one level before they really need to go onto the next level before they improve again.i also agree with TBB that having the Footscrat VFL side is a terrific tool to have to improve players and a lot of the younger players on our list will play most of the year there. I don't think that Adcock is too much of an indulgence as a Rookie. Good cover for a few different positions and I see him as competing for a different position in the team than a 19 or a 20 year old. He brings lots of things in his kit bag that separates him and defines his team functions apart from the kids

Fair enough TD, guess I just see it differently in that we already have more than enough cover in the area Adcock plays in. To me, Suckling has already been obtained to provide a similar function.

Given that Murphy, Boyd and Morris are also there in similar roles, let alone utility mids like Stevens, Biggs and Jong who will be on the fringes of our best 22, Adcock seems to me 30YO surplus for us, when he could be a really valuable contributor to a lot of clubs.

If somebody had've asked in early October what do we need as experienced list supplements over the trade/draft, I don't think many of us would've gone for a 27YO backflanker/winger and a 30YO back flanker/utility.

I do get that he would only be a Rookie, so there is little to be lost.

[F'scary]

Re Adcock: I don't know, our list is now starting to build up some depth and experience, Libba is back in 2016, Suckling comes in for Grant (so no loss of experience there), might have Clay Smith available sometime in 2016. Bob, Matt and Dale are still going strong. Big Will is still there. I think we need to use the Rookie list to test out project players, not provide list coverage. We are past that.

[GVGjr]

Re Adcock: I don't know, our list is now starting to build up some depth and experience, Libba is back in 2016, Suckling comes in for Grant (so no loss of experience there), might have Clay Smith available sometime in 2016. Bob, Matt and Dale are still going strong. Big Will is still there. I think we need to use the Rookie list to test out project players, not provide list coverage. We are past that.

I'll challenge this to some extent. If we believe we can improve on last year why wouldn't we want to add depth?
I haven't formed an opinion on potentially selecting Adcock yet but if we can push for a top 4 to 6 position why shouldn't we look to strengthen the list with a proven performer and a good leader?
I get that his age works against him but if 2016 and 2017 are years where we can push for a top 4 spot I'm not sure how it hurts us.

[Rocco Jones]

As a rookie, why not? He is clearly AFL quality and has only left Brisbane because they've gone on yet another youth splurge. I'm not confident Clay Smith will ever be the player we drafted him for, and Libba is coming off a serious knee. Stevens has also had his fair share of injuries throughout his AFL career to date.

No issues at all if we rookie him, and also not fussed at all if another club takes him instead.


We'll never have our ideal best 22 on the park at the same time. Injuries and form fluctuations are simply a given.

It is a myth that players can't "develop" playing VFL/Foootscray. We can't gift games to players simply because they are young. They need to play the right way and earn their spot, particularly given the healthy state of our list, and there's nothing wrong with that and friendly competition to elevate one another's performance.

Adcock for a rookie list spot would be great cover. A hungry, quality, versatile and experienced player who can provide good leadership for our young players, challenge them, and also potentially contribute to making us a better side.

Why post when you can just quote others who say it perfectly?

To add to this, I think premiership player standard is a bit of a myth too. Great sides can also fill out their sides with moneyball type recruiters. Players who aren't world beaters but cheap and make the 22 / depth slightly better.

[Rocco Jones]

Also I will add that I don't think he will mainly play as a midfielder. He is the perfect depth player as he can play any non KPP/ruck role. I see him primarily as a forward now. He kicked his goal a game + tackles for a side who finished 17th. He can rotate through the midfield and has played the vast majority of his best footy down back.

He is a massive upgrade on Brett Goodes and beats Jarrad Grant for mine.

[Twodogs]

Why post when you can just quote others who say it perfectly?

To add to this, I think premiership player standard is a bit of a myth too. Great sides can also fill out their sides with moneyball type recruiters. Players who aren't world beaters but cheap and make the 22 / depth slightly better.

He could be our Stuart Dew.

[Remi Moses]

He's a bit meh! For me
Rookie spot only

[boydogs]

We have to remember our rookie list is effectively only 3 players next year with Roarke Smith likely to miss most of the season.

We probably can't afford to have 3 speculative long term prospects take up those rookie spots. We will need at least one ready to go player that we can call upon if needed. Adcock fits that bill. He would be a Brett Goodes replacement.

I see it the other way, carrying Roarke Smith means the Mark Austin/Brett Goodes spot for a mature rookie is in doubt

[soupman]

I'd be happy with him as a rookie. He would be one of the few experienced players on our list, has been a captain before so would provide leadership and another older head, and is versatile so could contribute in a variety of positions and roles. You could also consider that at 29 he probably has 2-4 years left in him so as Boyd, Morris and Murphy retire in that time he could step in as that older role model.

As for keeping youth out of the seniors, if he justifies selection ahead of them then that's can only be a good thing as it will push them to earn their spot. Sure AFL gametime might be slightly more valuable, but players like Jong, Roberts and Dickson have shown that being stuck for a prolonged period in the VFL with Footscray doesn't mean you cannot develop.

And as others have said he is a big upgrade on Brett Goodes in a very similar role, and there were certainly times this year where we needed the experienced body of Goodes in the side.

[lemmon]

Agree with the sentiment that he'd be a good addition. Realistically this year Dale and Webb in particular faded significantly towards the back end of the season and probably shouldn't have been playing senior football as late in the year as they were. Whether it will help them in the long term I'm not sure but Adcock would add a hardened body when the season starts to wear and tear on the young guys

[Twodogs]

What's Adcock's injury record like?

[soupman]

What's Adcock's injury record like?

In his entire career he has only had four seasons where he hasn't played over 20 games, including a 2 games debut season. Played at least 20 games in each of the last 5 years. I would suggest pretty good.

[Mofra]

The other thing we have to consider is Matthew Boyd - wasn't there some stat that says we lost 100% of the games he missed this year?
If Boyd has one year left and Adcock has 3, surely adding a former AFL captain tot he back half to direct our zone/webb (as we did with Boyd in 2015) will help us?
We have one of the youngest list profiles in the AFL and Suckling only replaces Grant so there's not much lost/gained by his signing in that regard, so I'd expect Adcock to be more valuable than the 3rd round rookie selection we take.
Pretty sure our best rookie selections have been 1st & 2nd round rookie picks anyway.

[Avoid the rush]

Ex captain tick......../can play tick......../originally from BALLARAT tick........./fit tick....../hard at it tick.... /no brainer!!!!

[Greystache]

He could be our Stuart Dew.

He'd need to put on 40kgs first... None of it in the gym!

[Mofra]

He'd need to put on 40kgs first... None of it in the gym!
Instant boost to Barkers café profits.

[Greystache]

We'll never have our ideal best 22 on the park at the same time. Injuries and form fluctuations are simply a given.

It is a myth that players can't "develop" playing VFL/Foootscray. We can't gift games to players simply because they are young. They need to play the right way and earn their spot, particularly given the healthy state of our list, and there's nothing wrong with that and friendly competition to elevate one another's performance.

Adcock for a rookie list spot would be great cover. A hungry, quality, versatile and experienced player who can provide good leadership for our young players, challenge them, and also potentially contribute to making us a better side.

Totally agree TBB.

It's not an unreasonable possibility that Murphy gets injured, M Boyd has gone one year too long, and in their absence Biggs and Webb can't make the step up required. All of a sudden our rebounding defence looks horribly inexperienced and a real weakness. A player like Adcock would be an asset.

Everything going well he isn't needed and plays mostly VFL footy next year. I don't doubt the younger players at Footscray would benefit greatly from having a leader with his experience in the team. Similarly to what Jordan Russell has brought to the club.

I'm not passionate about getting Adcock, but I can see the upside if we do it.

[Twodogs]

He'd need to put on 40kgs first... None of it in the gym!


Strap a couple of wheat bags to him on grand final day. Or a Jockey. Some of them are pretty light.

[Ozza]

Totally agree TBB.

It's not an unreasonable possibility that Murphy gets injured, M Boyd has gone one year too long, and in their absence Biggs and Webb can't make the step up required. All of a sudden our rebounding defence looks horribly inexperienced and a real weakness. A player like Adcock would be an asset.

Everything going well he isn't needed and plays mostly VFL footy next year. I don't doubt the younger players at Footscray would benefit greatly from having a leader with his experience in the team. Similarly to what Jordan Russell has brought to the club.

I'm not passionate about getting Adcock, but I can see the upside if we do it.

I'm of a similar view to the above, particularly the bolded part.

Adcock has been captain of a footy club, and playing wise- apart from the last year or so where he was made to play as a forward (probably due to the circumstances of the club playing list at the time) he has always been a good, versatile AFL player.

[LostDoggy]

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2015-11-23/adcock-to-train-with-dogs

Looks a done deal.

[KT31]

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2015-11-23/adcock-to-train-with-dogs

Looks a done deal.

Possibly not, the article doesn't say if we asked the AFL for permission or Adcock did.

[kruder]

Experience in deference was key last year there looks to be little downside. I like it.

[LostDoggy]

A Ballarat native too.
Goodesys right hand man @ Footscray.
A marketing GOLDMINE! ;):rolleyes:

[LostDoggy]

Just had another look at Zaine Cordy at training last week - someone said he has put on several kg and grown over the break and he certainly looked far more imposing in that photo.

All of a sudden a growing mobile beast in ZC, coupled with Collins and Adams (and Roberts, Hamling and maybe even Roughy still in the mix) make what seemed our weakness a week or two ago quickly look pretty damn healthy.

[Axe Man]

Just had another look at Zaine Cordy at training last week - someone said he has put on several kg and grown over the break and he certainly looked far more imposing in that photo.

All of a sudden a growing mobile beast in ZC, coupled with Collins and Adams (and Roberts, Hamling and maybe even Roughy still in the mix) make what seemed our weakness a week or two ago quickly look pretty damn healthy.

It's great to have a deeper list of tall defenders now but it is still an area of weakness due simply to their lack of experience.

If we assume Roughy will spend most of his time away from the backline then our tall options (excluding Morris) of Roberts, Hamling, Cordy, Collins and Adams have played a grand total of 32 games between them.

Hopefully they will learn and develop quickly, but there are still going to be games where we are exposed.

[The Doctor]

It's great to have a deeper list of tall defenders now but it is still an area of weakness due simply to their lack of experience.

If we assume Roughy will spend most of his time away from the backline then our tall options (excluding Morris) of Roberts, Hamling, Cordy, Collins and Adams have played a grand total of 32 games between them.

Hopefully they will learn and develop quickly, but there are still going to be games where we are exposed.

I'm not so worried, these boys can play. We also have Murphy, Boyd, Morris and Wood down there to help & direct.

[LostDoggy]

It's great to have a deeper list of tall defenders now but it is still an area of weakness due simply to their lack of experience.

If we assume Roughy will spend most of his time away from the backline then our tall options (excluding Morris) of Roberts, Hamling, Cordy, Collins and Adams have played a grand total of 32 games between them.

Hopefully they will learn and develop quickly, but there are still going to be games where we are exposed.

The good thing about inexperience being a weakness is that it lessens by the match. Much better than an aged group, where the problems can only get worse.

[Bulldog4life]

Just had another look at Zaine Cordy at training last week - someone said he has put on several kg and grown over the break and he certainly looked far more imposing in that photo.

All of a sudden a growing mobile beast in ZC, coupled with Collins and Adams (and Roberts, Hamling and maybe even Roughy still in the mix) make what seemed our weakness a week or two ago quickly look pretty damn healthy.

One of the things Bevo said on Wed night is that Roughy will be training for the ruck this season.

[always right]

One of the things Bevo said on Wed night is that Roughy will be training for the ruck this season.

Could be a long year for big Will if Roughy's body holds up.

[The Doctor]

So now it's all over here is the summary of our list management exercise for this year, head to head


Suckling for Grant
Adams in for Talia
Dunkley for Fuller
Collins for Kelly
Williams for Darley
Lynch for Pearce
Goetz in for Cordy
Adcock for Goodes

A lot of wins in this for us, I just can't see a loss in any of these. Very excited for the future.

Add Roughead to our ruck stocks and I don't think we could have done better with the picks we had at our disposal. Importantly we have kept all our young guns. Lost nobody we wanted to keep and have brilliantly held the group together.

[whythelongface]

So now it's all over here is the summary of our list management exercise for this year, head to head


Suckling for Grant
Adams in for Talia
Dunkley for Fuller
Collins for Kelly
Williams for Darley
Lynch for Pearce
Goetz in for Cordy
Adcock for Goodes

A lot of wins in this for us, I just can't see a loss in any of these. Very excited for the future.

Add Roughead to our ruck stocks and I don't think we could have done better with the picks we had at our disposal. Importantly we have kept all our young guns. Lost nobody we wanted to keep and have brilliantly held the group together.

Good comparison of head to head. These are significant changes that make our list look so much stronger.

Totally agree with your statement about being all positive for us.

[The Doctor]

Good comparison of head to head. These are significant changes that make our list look so much stronger.

Totally agree with your statement about being all positive for us.

I should have added we didn't give away any of our top end future picks either.

[Testekill]

We seem to have focused on drafting mobile players or players that have athleticism as well as skills. Lynch & Adams both tested elite at the WA state combine while Goetz recorded an 18min 5k run. It also sounds like Collins has a pretty respectable tank although he might be a touch slow.

[bulldogtragic]

Outs:

ML: Grant (wing), Cordy (project ruck), Fuller (injured), Darley (HBF), Talia (CHB)
RL: Goodes (HBF and experience), Pearce (HBF), Other dude (CHB)

Ins:

ML: Suckling (wing), Dunkley (big mid), Collins (full back), Adams (CHB), Williams (HBF)
RL: Goetz (project ruck), Lynch (HBF), Adcock (HBF and experience)

Player for Player:

Suckling for Grant
Collins for Talia
Williams for Fuller
Adams for Cordy (project ruck on rookie list though - where they should be)
Dunkley for Darley


Goetz for Other dude (extra defender on main list)
Adcock for Goodes
Lynch for Pearce


Got to say I think we are ahead on every single list decision. Not often you can say that. Big, big, big tick for me.

[Greystache]

Kelly BT? :)

[bulldogtragic]

Kelly BT? :)

That'd be him :D

You can see the obvious impact he's had on my memory of him :D

[LostDoggy]

Outs:

ML: Grant (wing), Cordy (project ruck), Fuller (injured), Darley (HBF), Talia (CHB)
RL: Goodes (HBF and experience), Pearce (HBF), Other dude (CHB)

Ins:

ML: Suckling (wing), Dunkley (big mid), Collins (full back), Adams (CHB), Williams (HBF)
RL: Goetz (project ruck), Lynch (HBF), Adcock (HBF and experience)

Player for Player:

Suckling for Grant
Collins for Talia
Williams for Fuller
Adams for Cordy (project ruck on rookie list though - where they should be)
Dunkley for Darley


Goetz for Other dude (extra defender on main list)
Adcock for Goodes
Lynch for Pearce


Got to say I think we are ahead on every single list decision. Not often you can say that. Big, big, big tick for me.

You must have a seriously strong opinion of Suckling BT

[bulldogtragic]

You must have a seriously strong opinion of Suckling BT

I'm in a transition phase weening off Jarrad. It's clear the club didn't rate him and Bevo is expecting Suckling to make an impact for us next year. On that basis, that puts us ahead on the basis the delisting and free agency pursuit were both voluntary by the club. My guess is he will be a bit more up the ground than he was at Hawthorn.

[LostDoggy]

I'm in a transition phase weening off Jarrad. It's clear the club didn't rate him and Bevo is expecting Suckling to make an impact for us next year. On that basis, that puts us ahead on the basis the delisting and free agency pursuit were both voluntary by the club. My guess is he will be a bit more up the ground than he was at Hawthorn.

One day at a time, you'll get there.

I'm curious to see how Suckling goes, to me his best value is when he can find time and space behind the ball, but Bevo does have a way of redefining what a bloke can offer.

[bulldogtragic]

One day at a time, you'll get there.

I'm curious to see how Suckling goes, to me his best value is when he can find time and space behind the ball, but Bevo does have a way of redefining what a bloke can offer.

Thanks PP. Grief is a process.

[LostDoggy]

Thanks PP. Grief is a process.

The first step is acknowledging your loss. You'll be ok, there are plenty of Jarrad's in the ocean.

[comrade]

The first step is acknowledging your loss. You'll be ok, there are plenty of Jarrad's in the ocean.

Scott Clayton will pass them as he swims to Williamstown.

[The Underdog]

The list certainly feels like it has a better balance to it. There's still plenty of inexperience in the key positions, although with plenty of potential. It's still a bit concerning how much still hinges on the development of T. Boyd and the ability of Minson / Campbell to stay fit and have an impact in the ruck. We're still not overly quick but if we move the ball the way we did through much of 2015 that doesn't seem to be an issue, at least until we get onto a bigger ground.
Considering the bizarre work of the match committee in 2015, the list management decisions seem to have been incredibly straight forward and sensible.
Now we just need a full season of Koby

[Bulldog4life]

The list certainly feels like it has a better balance to it. There's still plenty of inexperience in the key positions, although with plenty of potential. It's still a bit concerning how much still hinges on the development of T. Boyd and the ability of Minson / Campbell to stay fit and have an impact in the ruck. We're still not overly quick but if we move the ball the way we did through much of 2015 that doesn't seem to be an issue, at least until we get onto a bigger ground.
Considering the bizarre work of the match committee in 2015, the list management decisions seem to have been incredibly straight forward and sensible.

Now we just need a full season of Koby


As I said in another thread, on Wed. night Bevo said that Roughy will be training to play in the ruck and forward next season. That could change of course.

[The Underdog]

As I said in another thread, on Wed. night Bevo said that Roughy will be training to play in the ruck and forward next season. That could change of course.

Forgot about Roughy although health isn't a skill he's mastered yet. Could end up first choice though.

[Twodogs]

It depends on what sort of position the ruck evolves into next season. It keeps changing.

[Ghost Dog]

The list certainly feels like it has a better balance to it. There's still plenty of inexperience in the key positions, although with plenty of potential. It's still a bit concerning how much still hinges on the development of T. Boyd and the ability of Minson / Campbell to stay fit and have an impact in the ruck. We're still not overly quick but if we move the ball the way we did through much of 2015 that doesn't seem to be an issue, at least until we get onto a bigger ground.
Considering the bizarre work of the match committee in 2015, the list management decisions seem to have been incredibly straight forward and sensible.
Now we just need a full season of Koby

I'm curious as to why you think so. We have Redpath, Collins who could easily play forward, and Stringer. If we didn't have Tom Boyd presently I would still fell confident in our list. He is not going to be the superman who saves us. He's only there to play one role, an important one but not irreplaceable.

[bulldogtragic]

As I said in another thread, on Wed. night Bevo said that Roughy will be training to play in the ruck and forward next season. That could change of course.

He also kept bringing up Kobys name. I feel he's a coaches favourite or that was my take listening to Bevo,

[The Underdog]

I'm curious as to why you think so. We have Redpath, Collins who could easily play forward, and Stringer. If we didn't have Tom Boyd presently I would still fell confident in our list. He is not going to be the superman who saves us. He's only there to play one role, an important one but not irreplaceable.

I've come around a bit on Redpath but let's say I'm far from a believer and I don't think he has the size you need in a backup ruckman. Collins is 3 days from being drafted. Maybe we should let him do a couple of training sessions before we pencil him in. Stringer and Boyd aren't playing the same role. Both would benefit from the other. Boyd is the wagon we've hitched our long term key forward plans to and he needs to be that guy. We can be successful without him but if he can be the guy we paid for then we can be great.
If he can't overtake Redpath then it'll be a pretty poor result

[Bulldog4life]

He also kept bringing up Kobys name. I feel he's a coaches favourite or that was my take listening to Bevo,

Were you in the 5.30pm group or 6.30pm listening to Bevo BT?

[bulldogtragic]

Were you in the 5.30pm group or 6.30pm listening to Bevo BT?

Both, luckily enough.

[Bulldog4life]

Both, luckily enough.

Good on you BT. I was at the 5.30 only. Can recall him mentioning Stevens once at that one. A great experience for $20. Hopefully a yearly event.

[bulldogtragic]

Good on you BT. I was at the 5.30 only. Can recall him mentioning Stevens once at that one. A great experience for $20. Hopefully a yearly event.

Decent food and unlimited drinks in it too I thought, I had a couple of the fair trade coffees and a few softies with dinner which was better value again. I paid $40 through WR not knowing members were free to the main part. I think they could increase the inner sanctum price tag, I think it's one of the most enjoyable dogs things I've been to and only $20.

He mentioned Koby about 3 times in the second session. There were questions about Libba and Smith returning from injury and playing seniors and Bevo was very quick to say and Koby too.

[Twodogs]

Koby has bought into the team defence ethos more than most maybe? He'd be a hero if he had just managed to smother that Freo entry into 50 earlier in the year.

[Bulldog4life]

Decent food and unlimited drinks in it too I thought, I had a couple of the fair trade coffees and a few softies with dinner which was better value again. I paid $40 through WR not knowing members were free to the main part. I think they could increase the inner sanctum price tag, I think it's one of the most enjoyable dogs things I've been to and only $20.

He mentioned Koby about 3 times in the second session. There were questions about Libba and Smith returning from injury and playing seniors and Bevo was very quick to say and Koby too.

That's hilarious so did I. Ha ha. I booked the tickets when I saw your post on WOOF. As my wife said it's for a great cause. But next time I will read the small print carefully.Yes the the never ending food, cold drinks and coffees were first class. I didn't hear the first question but guessed it must have been about Talia as his answer was "I can't answer that while the camera is filming but I will tell you face to face later on" or words to that effect. I could be wrong.

[bulldogtragic]

That's hilarious so did I. Ha ha. I booked the tickets when I saw your post on WOOF. As my wife said it's for a great cause. But next time I will read the small print carefully.Yes the the never ending food, cold drinks and coffees were first class. I didn't hear the first question but guessed it must have been about Talia as his answer was "I can't answer that while the camera is filming but I will tell you face to face later on" or words to that effect. I could be wrong.

No, the first question wasn't about Talia. No one was brave enough to ask that in the group sessions. Maybe it was his handlebar moustache that intimidated us all. :D

[The Doctor]

Listed here is our team in positional order and their respective ages as at the start of the 2016 season. In this thread we can discuss what we need to do to improve our list, trade and recruiting ideas & rumours, types of draftees we need etc. The positions are just a guide as some players could easily cross from one group to another.


Key Forwards

Boyd 20, Stringer 21, Redpath 25,


Medium/Small Forwards

Crameri 27, Dickson 28, McLean 20, Hamilton 20, Dale 19,


Ruckmen

Minson 31, Roughead 25, Campbell 24, Goetz,18


Tall Midfielders

Bontempelli 20, Macrae 21, Stevens 24, Jong 22, Dunkley, 18, Williams 18,


Small Midfielders

Liberatore 23, Wallis 23, Picken 29, Dahlhaus 23, Hunter 21, Hrovat 21, C.Smith 22, Honeychurch 21, Prudden 21, Daniel 19,


Key Defenders

Morris 33, Hamling 23, Roberts 22, Z.Cordy 19, Adams, 22, Collins 18


Medium/Small Defenders

Murphy 33, Boyd 33, Wood 26, Johannisen 23, Webb 20, Biggs 24, R.Smith 19*, Suckling 27, Lynch 18, Adcock 30


Now updated to include the new boys. The list, on paper, looks more balanced.

Another key forward would be nice in the next round of recruiting. I have Stringer in this group at the moment as that is where I see hime most effective but he could easily slot into small/mid forwards or even tall midfielders if moved upfield more often. I think the North game showed his potential midfield explosiveness. Regardless of what happens with Stringer we need more depth in the KPF area. Still can't see Redders being a viable long term proposition.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Hunter moved into the small defenders group by this time next year.

[Bulldog4life]

Now updated to include the new boys. The list, on paper, looks more balanced.

Another key forward would be nice in the next round of recruiting. I have Stringer in this group at the moment as that is where I see hime most effective but he could easily slot into small/mid forwards or even tall midfielders if moved upfield more often. I think the North game showed his potential midfield explosiveness. Regardless of what happens with Stringer we need more depth in the KPF area. Still can't see Redders being a viable long term proposition.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Hunter moved into the small defenders group by this time next year.

One positive about Redders is that he has improved each season he has been with the Club after starting miles behind the eight ball. I will be very interested in seeing how he goes this season.

[The Doctor]

One positive about Redders is that he has improved each season he has been with the Club after starting miles behind the eight ball. I will be very interested in seeing how he goes this season.

i do agree with this. He just has to impact on games more even if he doesn't get the ball a lot. By kicking important goals, or making the crunch tackle. He does it but needs to do it more and at key moments.