Moving-Rolling De-Listing Thread 2015

[bulldogtragic]

One third of the regular season down. I thought it'd be interesting to see if your 'in danger' list of players have moved.

Preseason I had Cordy, Fuller as my certs for delisting. Prudden and Grant (not for want of choosing) in the danger zone. Two older guys of our 4 looking down the barrel (Picken, Bob, Morris & Boyd). So perhaps 5 or 6.

One third in Fuller's injuries combined with loading up half backs has him still in my dead certs category.
Cordy has come back from the certain for me. I have him still in the danger zone, but he's going ahead just.
I think Prudden has a contract and I like what I've read. But with Clay & Libba, the injury squad is big enough. Danger of perhaps going to the RL.
Grant still to me represents value in staying, if he wants to. Not a big salary, and trade wise not worth enough to me.
The old boys look as good as ever. I think we can keep 3 safely, so seeing how they go with injuries might be the difference.

The bolter for trade is Minson. From All Aussie to VFL for a long spell. If he's not back and offered security, I can see both sides being prepared to explore a move else where.
Campbell needs to step up, or same as above.
Clay I understand has a contract, so we must honour it and hope like hell we don't see him do it for a 4th time.
Trade bait: My bolter is Hunter. Natural talent but a club ban, and betting probe etc means he gets mentioned.

My cert: Fuller
At risk: Prudden. Two of Cordy, Campbell or Minson (trade)
Old boys: If form and fitness maintain, perhaps one retirement.
Poss. Trades: Minson, Grant, Hunter
Best guess: 5 movements from the main list. Last spot for Roarke Smith if continues to impress.

Hope to see some big changes by the two thirds marker of the season. Any hits or misses?

[bornadog]

I think we have to lose 3 by way of Draft rules.

Fuller, Prudden, Darley - Boyd or Morris may retire?

Possible trades

Minson and dare I say Grant, although I would prefer to keep him.

I don't think we will have many changes. would like a better look at the rookie list and bring in a young ruckman.

If we could trade for a Key back, then I am open to include draft picks and some young players like a Hrovat.

[Bulldog Joe]

I thought it was 3 main list spots required.

At this point I would see Fuller as the certain delisting, but if he gets on the park he could prove his worth.

Boyd has missed 2 from 6 with general soreness/calf. Indicates his body may be struggling. So despite his form he would be more than 50% to retire.

Minson is really in an untenable position. If the coach won't play him based on being best at ruck work, there really is no position for him. Looks like a definite trade to me.

Others could be Morris (retirement) depending on how he returns from injury.

Fletcher Roberts needs to prove his worth over the next few weeks and Jarrad Grant would certainly be a trade candidate.

[bulldogtragic]

3 Spots was the minimum turn over I thought too. And Goodes is a rookie BAD.

[bornadog]

3 Spots was the minimum turn over I thought too. And Goodes is a rookie BAD.

Yes you are right about Goodes. I have edited mine.

PS just checked and it is 3 minimum.

[Go_Dogs]

Fuller appears the only certain out at this stage.

There is always the potential for an unexpected change or two, but I'd otherwise have thought it likely Boyd will retire, Minson a potential trade target with Grant and Darley perhaps under review subject to how they finish the year.

Morris too if he deems it time to hang up the boots.

I suspect we'll only look at 3-4 changes to the senior list this year.

[Webby]

I reckon Boyd will want to stay on next year and that Moreis might give it away. Goodes is likely to be delisted and Will is ripe for trading. Darley, Prudden and Grant need to start playing as if their careers depend on it, too... Because they do!

[boydogs]

Redpath needs to get himself back into the seniors and show he can do it at that level

[Remi Moses]

For me I'd say Fuller is the only certainty .
In danger- Pruden ( needs to get on the park and play consistent footy, and needs a few senior games)
Hunter( needs to get his s*** together off field for a start, and a chance to be traded)
Grant ( I think the dye is cast)
Minson ( possible trade option)
Campbell ( see above )
Redpath ( with all our forward options, jack's in trouble)
Morris ( I think he may retire, and if you asked me pre-season you'd have your house on Boyd retiring )

[Go_Dogs]

Redpath needs to get himself back into the seniors and show he can do it at that level

Interesting one - I hadn't contemplated him being a possible out, but given how our list is shaping up you're spot on.

He needs to put in some solid AFL level performances to ensure he retains his place.

[The Doctor]

I think Redpath is safe so long as he plays well at VFL level and does his job when called up at AFL level.

While I have serious doubts he'll make it in the long term we just lack depth in key forwards. All we have is Boyd and Stringer who could command a key forward post. The others are not specialist in this key area. So we need some depth.

A key forward in the draft is a priority imo.

[azabob]

I think Redpath is safe so long as he plays well at VFL level and does his job when called up at AFL level.

While I have serious doubts he'll make it in the long term we just lack depth in key forwards. All we have is Boyd and Stringer who could command a key forward post. The others are not specialist in this key area. So we need some depth.

A key forward in the draft is a priority imo.

More so than a key defender?

[ledge]

We do have Crameri who has lead the goal kicking for two teams in the last 5 years , also bontempelli would be a great forward if need be in my opinion.
I'm not sure we are seriously lacking in anything on the list except more game time and experience, age and growth basically.
Look at Talia all if a sudden he has come of age. Webb and Dale are gems , I'm not worried about any of our positions to be honest it's all there just building.

[G-Mo77]

I think Redpath is on a 2 year deal. I know that doesn't mean a lot but I think he's safe for 2016.

Fuller an obvious candidate
Darley? He's done some nice things but is still a fair way off IMO. Looking forward to seeing what he can do this week.
Prudden has yet to play a senior game. Injuries have hurt him badly but how long can we hold him for?

Minson is likely to go to another team via trade at this stage.
Grant another that could be shopped.

Morris a chance at retirement but I'm going to back him in for another year.

Rookie list I would clear completely apart from Smith who I see a bit of promise in.

Got to get Talia to sign on or he could be a possible departure as well.

I think it will be minimal turnover, 4 maybe 5 spots with a fresh batch of rookie listed players.

[F'scary]

Beveridge has made the ruck a real issue to date this season. Unless Cordy and Campbell improve, something will have to happen with bolstering ruck stocks. I don't buy that Beveridge doesn't rate traditional ruck work. His problem is the cattle.

[azabob]

Beveridge has made the ruck a real issue to date this season. Unless Cordy and Campbell improve, something will have to happen with bolstering ruck stocks. I don't buy that Beveridge doesn't rate traditional ruck work. His problem is the cattle.

Do you think Hawthorn rate traditional ruck work?

[F'scary]

Do you think Hawthorn rate traditional ruck work?

Interesting comment. They've got what's-his-name from Stk and Ceglar - aren't they traditional enough?

I think if you can recruit a great ruck like a Scott Wynd, a Gary Dempsey or a Peter Moore then you are going to be better off full stop.

[bulldogtragic]

Do you think Hawthorn rate traditional ruck work?

McEvoy, Ceglar, Hale. Two of them trades. I think so?

[F'scary]

I think that if Beveridge had a Scott Wynd and a Luke Darcy on his list right now, he'd be doing things very differently and, all other things being the same, we would be a real flag threat.

[Bulldog Joe]

Redpath needs to get himself back into the seniors and show he can do it at that level

I would also rate Redpath as in danger.

Reports on his VFL form are not encouraging. This seems so far behind his pre-season form.

I also seem to recall the report on his upgrading was merely a 1 yr deal.

[Greystache]

I would also rate Redpath as in danger.

Reports on his VFL form are not encouraging. This seems so far behind his pre-season form.

I also seem to recall the report on his upgrading was merely a 1 yr deal.

Correct, 1 year. I'm really disappointed with how Jack's tracking at the moment, he was outstanding during preseason and I think was harshly treated to get dropped after round 1, but the fact is he hasn't done nearly enough to be a chance for a recall since.

[ledge]

He was quiet early but came into The game, Minson was going forward a lot early and they chose to
Kick it to him rather than Jack, maybe because we were out stretching them With Minson running down.
I wouldn't take much in that jack had a bad day but he did compete, knock blokes around and kick a couple, some strong marks and a couple he dropped in packs.

[bulldogtragic]

So, another 6 weeks down the track.

Another Fuller injury must have his papers stamped unfortunately for him.
Also Minson to me is firming up, and some how Talia seems to me to be possible trade bait despite smashing Texas Walker earlier on.
Redpath, Ayce and/or Campbell go a spot back down the order with Roughy taking second ruck/tall forward.
Grant looks like earning a new contract since coming back in.
Hunter looks a long way back despite the preseason.
Prudden needs to stay fit to assess him.
From overall management, perhaps Morris to retire.

Cert: Fuller & one of Cordy, Campbell & Redpath
Near Cert: Minson & possibly another one of Cordy, Campbell & Redpath
Line call: Prudden, Hunter, Morris
Hope not: Talia

Certainly moved over the past 6 weeks for a few.

[Hotdog60]

Wasn't Redpath elevated this year? Would he have a contract until the end of 2016-17. Or do they just get a 1 year deal.

[bulldogtragic]

Wasn't Redpath elevated this year? Would he have a contract until the end of 2016-17. Or do they just get a 1 year deal.

Yep, and I think so. But I recall someone mentioning he had a one year deal. So not too sure, but my thinking is from a broader list management view is that if we keep most oldies until next year then we might need to find an extra delisting (or bring forward a delisting) this year and have a handful of retirements the year after. It just seems to balance out the outs over the next couple of years. That is assuming the club thinks he's not going to make it.

[GVGjr]

Wasn't Redpath elevated this year? Would he have a contract until the end of 2016-17. Or do they just get a 1 year deal.

I believe it was a one year deal.

[Bulldog4life]

Redpath deserves another go in the seniors going on his VFL form this season

[GVGjr]

Redpath deserves another go in the seniors going on his VFL form this season

I'm not so sure. Just about every game I see he is often focused on pushing his opponent than he is on the football or what is going on around him and he doesn't get to as many contests as he should because of it. He has all the ability and is a pretty good kick but I think he needs to tone down the aggression on his opponents and focus it more on the footy.

I think he will get another chance but I'm 50/50 on if he has deserved it yet.

[Bulldog4life]

I'm not so sure. Just about every game I see he is often focused on pushing his opponent than he is on the football or what is going on around him and he doesn't get to as many contests as he should because of it. He has all the ability and is a pretty good kick but I think he needs to tone down the aggression on his opponents and focus it more on the footy.

I think he will get another chance but I'm 50/50 on if he has deserved it yet.

I haven't seen all his games but the ones I have seen he has kickrd muliple goals so I am mostly going on his goals kicked this season GVG

[Twodogs]

I'm not so sure. Just about every game I see he is often focused on pushing his opponent than he is on the football or what is going on around him and he doesn't get to as many contests as he should because of it. He has all the ability and is a pretty good kick but I think he needs to tone down the aggression on his opponents and focus it more on the footy.

I think he will get another chance but I'm 50/50 on if he has deserved it yet.

He can be too focussed on his opponent in some contests but if that's how he plays then we should be looking to redirect that energy rather than toning it down I think. It's an energy and you can't have too much energy on a football field. Focus it at the ball.

Some full forwards are weird too. Some can't play well unless they are angry at someone. I can remember one we had to sledge and push around just before some games to annoy him enough to want to take it out on the opposition.

[bulldogtragic]

Alrighty, two thirds of the season done. I'm as confused as any with our current rucks as all three have now played, and all three haven't cemented themselves for next year in my mind.

Daniel, Dale, McLean and Webb all look like long term projects. With Honey, Hrovat, Hunter, Dahl as well I think we are holding a lot of smalls. I think we need to look at what trade value might be for one of the H's, for diligence sake if nothing else.

Fuller had been cruelled by injuries and nothing has changed. Redpath is moving closer to keep if he can keep improving. Prudden could be a rookie downgrade.

I'm still of the view at least one older player should retire, so it's Dale or Boyd.

Interesting remainder of the year for a few blokes.

[chef]

I dont get why you want one of Boyd or Dale to retire when they are still playing good footy.

[Rocco Jones]

I dont get why you want one of Boyd or Dale to retire when they are still playing good footy.

Yeah I find this confusing. Matthew Boyd especially baffling, near AA form. The theory that the best way to develop youth is playing as many young players as possible is extremely flawed. Our side is so inexperienced, guys like Morris and Boyd will actually help develop our kids. Protect them, both physically and in terms of taking different roles, as well as provide strong role models/mentors. Also, the whole helping us win footy games too!

[bulldogtragic]

I dont get why you want one of Boyd or Dale to retire when they are still playing good footy.

Staggering retirements is a must. Three next year plus delistings wouldn't be ideal.
Both have had injuries this year.
Roberts, Hamling and Talia need to step up at some point (assuming no KPD is traded for), conversely, Biggs, Darley and Webb etc need to step up at some point.

I love the guys don't get me wrong, and right one they're playing good footy. Next year is a different question, as is whether they're best 22.

[bulldogtragic]

Yeah I find this confusing. Matthew Boyd especially baffling, near AA form. The theory that the best way to develop youth is playing as many young players as possible is extremely flawed. Our side is so inexperienced, guys like Morris and Boyd will actually help develop our kids. Protect them, both physically and in terms of taking different roles, as well as provide strong role models/mentors. Also, the whole helping us win footy games too!


That's not my theory. I'm not saying both.

[chef]

Staggering retirements is a must. Three next year plus delistings wouldn't be ideal.
Both have had injuries this year.
Roberts, Hamling and Talia need to step up at some point (assuming no KPD is traded for), conversely, Biggs, Darley and Webb etc need to step up at some point.

I love the guys don't get me wrong, and right one they're playing good footy. Next year is a different question, as is whether they're best 22.
I dont get why we'd need to stagger the 3 (?) major retirement we will have over the next 2-3 seasons.

Let Boyd, Dale and Murphy play as long as they can hold their spots, its not going to hurt us at all.

[Bulldog4life]

I dont get why we'd need to stagger the 3 (?) major retirement we will have over the next 2-3 seasons.

Let Boyd, Dale and Murphy play as long as they can hold their spots, its not going to hurt us at all.

Agree totally

[bulldogtragic]

I dont get why we'd need to stagger the 3 (?) major retirement we will have over the next 2-3 seasons.

Let Boyd, Dale and Murphy play as long as they can hold their spots, its not going to hurt us at all.

Geelong did it well recently with Hunt, Chapman and Pods being retired off the list and then ecking out another group of half baked games after. The next group of players stood up and the average output of older players at new clubs justifies the club's strategy and outlook. Holding on for another year is not always a no hurt strategy. Hamling, Roberts, Talia, Roughy and say a traded tall need to step up and being that their not immature bodied kids it's conceivable they will. Or if it was Boyd, Biggs, Darley, Webb, Z, Roarke etc need and can do the same.

A part from strategically managing the list, they've had muscle injuries this year. They're best 22 the rest of this year and club heros, but forecasting ahead I can see an argument for seeing one retirement this year.

[chef]

Fair enough, but it makes no sense to me.

[Remi Moses]

Geelong did it well recently with Hunt, Chapman and Pods. Holding on for another year is not always a no hurt strategy. Hamling, Roberts, Talia, Roughy and say a traded tall need to step up and being that their not immature bodied kids it's conceivable they will. Or if it was Boyd, Biggs, Darley, Webb, Z, Roarke etc need and can do the same.

A part from strategically managing the list, they've had muscle injuries this year. They're best 22 the rest of this year and club heros, but forecasting ahead I can see an argument for seeing one retirement this year.
Probably because Geelong have had so many players over 30.
I'd say Morris may retire and possibly Will being traded.
Don't think it's even an issue

[bulldogtragic]

Probably because Geelong have had so many players over 30.
I'd say Morris may retire and possibly Will being traded.
Don't think it's even an issue

Agreed 100%.

[soupman]

Geelong did it well recently with Hunt, Chapman and Pods being retired off the list and then ecking out another group of half baked games after. The next group of players stood up and the average output of older players at new clubs justifies the club's strategy and outlook. Holding on for another year is not always a no hurt strategy. Hamling, Roberts, Talia, Roughy and say a traded tall need to step up and being that their not immature bodied kids it's conceivable they will. Or if it was Boyd, Biggs, Darley, Webb, Z, Roarke etc need and can do the same.

A part from strategically managing the list, they've had muscle injuries this year. They're best 22 the rest of this year and club heros, but forecasting ahead I can see an argument for seeing one retirement this year.

But surely if their form warrants it we retain the old guys for another year.

Geelongs scenario was different, because:
a) Practically 60% of their best 22 a couple of years ago was approaching or past 30. This is not our situation with less than 20% of our side falling into that category.
b) The guys they got rid of (Chapman, Hunt and Pods) were all starting to show signs of struggling, and this has been vindicated by some mediocre form from those players at their next clubs.

Boyd is on track to be in AA contention, as is Murphy, and Morris has had a frustrating year with injury but is still holding others out.

If we had a heap of older players clogging up our side and stopping the advancement and exposure of our young guys the scenario would be different, but as it is the old heads a providing some guidance to a side that is overflowing with youth. There's no need to force them out if they're still good enough.

[bulldogtragic]

But surely if their form warrants it we retain the old guys for another year.

Geelongs scenario was different, because:
a) Practically 60% of their best 22 a couple of years ago was approaching or past 30. This is not our situation with less than 20% of our side falling into that category.
b) The guys they got rid of (Chapman, Hunt and Pods) were all starting to show signs of struggling, and this has been vindicated by some mediocre form from those players at their next clubs.

Boyd is on track to be in AA contention, as is Murphy, and Morris has had a frustrating year with injury but is still holding others out.

If we had a heap of older players clogging up our side and stopping the advancement and exposure of our young guys the scenario would be different, but as it is the old heads a providing some guidance to a side that is overflowing with youth. There's no need to force them out if they're still good enough.

I don't disagree with some of this. I'm talking about not having a situation of turning 6 or so players off at the end of the next year. If Geelong kept those players that's the problem they would've faced. If we are contending in two years or so, I'd rather have McCartney and Dalrymple have a pick/player this year than a glut while we are contending.

With another 8 weeks and preseason, Morris is the one in particular I have concern for. Say we landed a Carlisle/Hendo/Corr type defender, plus Talia, Roughy, Roberts, Hamling, Cordy if he keeps growing - then Dale might not be best 22 and with muscle injuries this year this might be the sign of things to come.

But we will all see soon enough I guess.

[GVGjr]

Staggering retirements is a must. Three next year plus delistings wouldn't be ideal.
Both have had injuries this year.
Roberts, Hamling and Talia need to step up at some point (assuming no KPD is traded for), conversely, Biggs, Darley and Webb etc need to step up at some point.

I love the guys don't get me wrong, and right one they're playing good footy. Next year is a different question, as is whether they're best 22.

I get the staggered approach you are saying but it's not like we have a dynasty of older players about to depart especially in a squad of 40 plus players. If the worst case scenario is that we lose 3 experienced players in one season I don't think it's going to halt our progress. The others players would probably benefit more by having them around as long as they are performing.

Our development of players hasn't been hindered this season by the older guys and I'm not sure it would be next year.

It won't be the end of the world if one or two of them leave at the end of the season but I'd still look closer at their form than their birth certificate before seeing if I wanted them next year. Even during the 2016 season if they are no longer in our best 22 they would be a positive to have around the other guys.

[Twodogs]

I'd usually agree with you BT, all things being equal. But I don't think things are equal in this situation. It worries me that 750 games of experience might exit the team at once but because the list profile is the veterans, maybe a dozen players between 26-30 at a guess, then mostly teenagers and hipsters, then maybe we should try and wring every drop out of the veterans before we let them go.

[GVGjr]

I'd usually agree with you BT, all things being equal. But I don't think things are equal in this situation. It worries me that 750 games of experience might exit the team at once but because the list profile is the veterans, maybe a dozen players between 26-30 at a guess, then mostly teenagers and hipsters, then maybe we should try and wring every drop out of the veterans before we let them go.

We simply don't have enough players with a 100 game plus of experience to be too quick to move on experienced guys. If their form prospects for next season is good enough we shouldn't be to quick to see them off. I get BT's intention is to look at the bigger picture but on such a large list I just don't think it's much of a risk.

[bulldogtragic]

I haven't been this one out since my Gia shouldn't be permanent sub. Ah, the memories. :D

[GVGjr]

I haven't been this one out since my Gia shouldn't be permanent sub. Ah, the memories. :D

Like Twodogs, I think we agree with the looking at the bigger picture approach you are posing but I'm not sure if we have got enough experienced players coming through to be too quick to march on Boyd or Morris. They both might go but I think we would miss them next year.

The likes of Roberts has come on so far this year and Hamling is far ahead of expectations for this season I think we haven't compromised player development by having the older guys in the side.

Things might change by the end of the season but it's harder for me to make that call now.

[bulldogtragic]

Like Twodogs, I think we agree with the looking at the bigger picture approach you are posing but I'm not sure if we have got enough experienced players coming through to be too quick to march on Boyd or Morris. They both might go but I think we would miss them next year.

The likes of Roberts has come on so far this year and Hamling is far ahead of expectations for this season I think we haven't compromised player development by having the older guys in the side.

Things might change by the end of the season but it's harder for me to make that call now.

All good G. Does your thinking on Dale second guess if we trade in a mature KPD?

[GVGjr]

All good G. Does your thinking on Dale second guess if we trade in a mature KPD?

It depends on a few things especially our plans for Roughead. Morris can also play on smaller guys as well so it still might not be a problem if we landed a KP defender. If he's prepared to have to earn his spot and potentially cover injuries etc then keeping him around for one more season is a lot easier.

[bornadog]

I can't see too many changes at the end of the year. At most 4 to 5 players should be enough.

Those on edge must be- Darley, Fuller, Minson, ACordy, and maybe Prudden.

[Doc26]

I can't see too many changes at the end of the year. At most 4 to 5 players should be enough.

Those on edge must be- Darley, Fuller, Minson, ACordy, and maybe Prudden.

That seems about right to me BD. I could also live with holding onto Prudden for another season.
There's also the outstanding status of Talia and Grant.

[bulldogtragic]

If Smith isn't back to mid year, is it worth delisting a Prudden or Darley to rookie and use as cover pre and hopefully not post Smith's return?

[bornadog]

That seems about right to me BD. I could also live with holding onto Prudden for another season.
There's also the outstanding status of Talia and Grant.

Yes Talia and Grant needs to be resolved. Grant I feel is now best 22, Talia is a concern.

The coach said in his press conference on Friday that although Talia played well at the start of the season, he then slipped into some old habits and needs to work on these at VFL level.

[Rocco Jones]

Morris is the perfect example of an older guy that is great to keep on. Obviously a wonderful role model but can take a variety of roles best suited to the team/development of others.

[jeemak]

Isn't everything better served by suggesting that our recruiting team focuses on the best talent available for the potential spots that are open this year, the next and the one after, and either move on them if it's required they do so or otherwise knowing that anyone recruited isn't likely to have an immediate impact?

Picking out guys like Boyd and Morris right now is pretty silly in my view considering they're playing well, and with the majority of our hard work being done by our younger players (even in defence, as noted today with the absence of Fletcher and Hamling) if they fade away we'll be fine.

Go back to 2008 and Scotty West was playing injured, doing his best, but eventually ended up missing games and not coming back. The next year we ended up giving a Grand Final appearance a massive nudge after learning a lot in a preliminary final the year prior in which West didn't play. In 2008 West was good enough, but unfortunately he was injured. We covered him and moved forward anyway.

Our graph is trending positively and it's just a matter of time before the young take over the old. I don't see any issues with keeping some old folk around whilst we're heading forward. If we were going the other way it would be different.

[Doc26]

Yes Talia and Grant needs to be resolved. Grant I feel is now best 22, Talia is a concern.

The coach said in his press conference on Friday that although Talia played well at the start of the season, he then slipped into some old habits and needs to work on these at VFL level.

Given that Roberts and Hamling are now clearly ahead of Michael his opportunity, barring future injuries, will be limited for the remainder of the season. Given his current level of dissatisfaction I'm assuming that he will seek a new home for next season.

I to see Grant as a keeper, failing any overly aggressive outside bids for his services.

[Rocco Jones]

Fuller and Darley are the two most obviously delistings IMO. Darley is doing a lot right in the VFL, I just don't see him being able to make it. Would be fine with him getting more time via the rookie list though.

If we don't do too much in the trade department, I would delist two ruck men

Talia is just 22. A very young age for a key-defender. alia is just 22. A very young age for a key-defender.

The similarity between the pair is that they started well, but probably playing the wrong way, developing bad habits. Both have been judged by their immediate high expectations.

We are developing a very good lists. A by-product of that is that kids that are seen to be talented may struggle to get a go at times. Let's be patient.

[Doc26]

My preference would be to retain Talia. My suspicion is that if we can't find a spot for him in our 22 this season we will be pushing up hill to get him to sign on given the level of frustration.

[lemmon]

My preference would be to retain Talia. My suspicion is that if we can't find a spot for him in our 22 this season we will be pushing up hill to get him to sign on given the level of frustration.

Will there be that many suitors for a 22 year old key back with questionable disposal and defensive skills? ...in saying that I thought the same of someone like Tutt.

I don't see anyone offering him guaranteed football which it sounds like he's after

[Doc26]

Will there be that many suitors for a 22 year old key back with questionable disposal and defensive skills? ...in saying that I thought the same of someone like Tutt.

I don't see anyone offering him guaranteed football which it sounds like he's after

He wouldn't be without offers. He knows that he's not in our best 22.

[Twodogs]

He wouldn't be without offers. He knows that he's not in our best 22.


He was dropped for today even though we have two key defenders out injured. Unless he was injured, was he? The Talia from earlier in the season would have been handy today.

[comrade]

Does anyone trust Talia to do a job though? He was good in the first 5 or so games but outside that patch, I'm terrified whenever the ball goes near him.

Last week was a perfect example. In that first half, everything he touched turned to mud. He's lucky Dixon went down so he wasn't embarrassed for the rest of the night.

The glimmer of hope was his forward work. I'd like to see him tried up there for a few games at Footscray and see what we've got.

[Hotdog60]

BT won't like this but I think Grant might be one who may not get a contract at years end.

At 26 he should be better than what he is producing on the field. I get that he does a lot of running to position and those type of things that aren't recorded on the stat sheet but he should be a player that produces more impact than he is at the moment.

If he stays or goes I'm not overly concerned but I wonder if he is doing enough in the coaches eyes.

I have my doubts about Hunter, A.Cordy and Fuller.

On Prudden, I think we should keep him around. I don't think he was that bad yesterday and his disposal efficacy was better than Bob's. If we can give Grant the length of time to produce maybe Prudden deserves at least one more year to see if he can make the grade.

[whythelongface]

I get the staggered approach you are saying but it's not like we have a dynasty of older players about to depart especially in a squad of 40 plus players. If the worst case scenario is that we lose 3 experienced players in one season I don't think it's going to halt our progress. The others players would probably benefit more by having them around as long as they are performing.

Our development of players hasn't been hindered this season by the older guys and I'm not sure it would be next year.

It won't be the end of the world if one or two of them leave at the end of the season but I'd still look closer at their form than their birth certificate before seeing if I wanted them next year. Even during the 2016 season if they are no longer in our best 22 they would be a positive to have around the other guys.

That's the key. In fact having these guys around would have substantially assisted in the development of the younger guys. If they are still playing good football, which they are, we should retain them as long as possible. The young guys learn so much from Murph, Moz and Boydy that, in terms of development, that it would be a silly strategy for the club to retire these guys because they are '30+'.

[boydogs]

BT won't like this but I think Grant might be one who may not get a contract at years end.

Players who play 10+ decent games aren't candidates for delisting

The list is getting stronger, you could make a case for any player to be given another year

Fuller - Haven't seen his best due to injury
Darley - Good user
A Cordy - Still improving
Prudden - Only now getting a clear run at it
Minson - Great stoppage player
Talia - Best is good enough
Hunter - Needs time to mature

[Rocco Jones]

Does anyone trust Talia to do a job though? He was good in the first 5 or so games but outside that patch, I'm terrified whenever the ball goes near him.

Last week was a perfect example. In that first half, everything he touched turned to mud. He's lucky Dixon went down so he wasn't embarrassed for the rest of the night.

The glimmer of hope was his forward work. I'd like to see him tried up there for a few games at Footscray and see what we've got.

At the moment I see him a bit similar to Roughy (rate Roughy a lot more). Do not want him on the main man, more just looking after a tall and needing another trick up his sleeve. Roughy definitely has it with his ruck work and can go forward. Talia needs that too but if he is going to be a swingman he will compete with a few guys as the side will be too immobile/'top heavy'.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Talia reminds me a bit of a young Rance. Rance was rough as guts, and no world beater for his first few years. His kicking was awkward and sloppy and he lacked composure. I never thought he'd turn in to the gun he is now. Talia is a similar build and don't forget how much he LOVES the club. I'd keep him 100%

[bornadog]

Talia reminds me a bit of a young Rance. Rance was rough as guts, and no world beater for his first few years. His kicking was awkward and sloppy and he lacked composure. I never thought he'd turn in to the gun he is now. Talia is a similar build and don't forget how much he LOVES the club. I'd keep him 100%

I think Talia's issues are in his head and he thinks he is better than what he really is. He needs to work hard and follow the coaches instructions and he can make it. He has shown some glimpses of being an AFL footballer, so if he gets things right with his attitude, he can cement a spot in the best 22.

[GVGjr]

Talia reminds me a bit of a young Rance. Rance was rough as guts, and no world beater for his first few years. His kicking was awkward and sloppy and he lacked composure. I never thought he'd turn in to the gun he is now. Talia is a similar build and don't forget how much he LOVES the club. I'd keep him 100%

I'm not sure I agree with the comparison. The difference is that Rance is very athletic and attacking whereas Talia is more defensive and contested type player.

Out of the two Rance is more likely to win a game for his team and Talia probably more likely to save a game.

If Talia really wants to be at the club then we should give him more time.

[1eyedog]

Talia reminds me a bit of a young Rance. Rance was rough as guts, and no world beater for his first few years. His kicking was awkward and sloppy and he lacked composure. I never thought he'd turn in to the gun he is now. Talia is a similar build and don't forget how much he LOVES the club. I'd keep him 100%

I get what you're coming from. The one thing that is true is that we are having the same discussion about Talia as Richmond supporters were having about Rance 3 years ago.

[always right]

I'd stick with him. Whilst he's a little inconsistent I like how hard he works on his deficiencies and reckon he can continue to improve on the back of that. I remember his kicking when he started and genuinely feared it would be his downfall. Still the occasional clanger but he hits targets regularly and is slowly getting more adventurous. He's still young.

[lemmon]

I'd stick with him. Whilst he's a little inconsistent I like how hard he works on his deficiencies and reckon he can continue to improve on the back of that. I remember his kicking when he started and genuinely feared it would be his downfall. Still the occasional clanger but he hits targets regularly and is slowly getting more adventurous. He's still young.

Agree, I think we saw in his early season form some genuine improvement and the ability to become the player we'd all hoped. He did some good jobs on some very good key forwards, it's all about closing the distance between his best and worst at the moment

[bulldogtragic]

Starting to get harder than I thought.

Honey & Redders re signed. Hunter showing good signs. Campbell and Prudden are making a claim to stay. Ayce's and Darleys form in the VFL might make us think twice. Old blokes aren't talking labout retiring.

Fuller is the only lock of our mandatory three. Great problem to have.

[Happy Days]

Starting to get harder than I thought.

Honey & Redders re signed. Hunter showing good signs. Campbell and Prudden are making a claim to stay. Ayce's and Darleys form in the VFL might make us think twice. Old blokes aren't talking labout retiring.

Fuller is the only lock of our mandatory three. Great problem to have.

I really think it's not that difficult - do Darley and Ayce offer us more that the players that they would be keeping off the list?

I think Darley will get 2-3 games before the season is out purely to assist with this decision.

[bulldogtragic]

I really think it's not that difficult - do Darley and Ayce offer us more that the players that they would be keeping off the list?

I think Darley will get 2-3 games before the season is out purely to assist with this decision.

Depends on our strategy. If we want to take two live picks, plus upgrade Roarke, take a FA and a trade we will need 5 spots. That assuming Darcy Macpherson isn't a high price if we want him, but that's another spot possibly.

Say picks 18, 36, 54, 72, 90
Trade 18 for a player. Use 36 ,54 and 72 RS. (90 DM)
With a FA spot, that's 6.

[bulldogtragic]

Alternatively, we wait another year on RS and hope DM slips to the rookie draft. But a trade, FA and three picks only saves one spot.

Or we move a couple of trades, Minson, Talia seem to be blokes not moving ahead to much at the moment.

[soupman]

Why is is Roarke Smith an automatic promotion?

Yes he does look really good at the moment, but is unproven at AFL level, is still very raw and plays a position that doesn't require him available as immediate cover.

We have a history of promoting rookies permanently (ie. not just in the middle of a season) way to early. This forum often talks about wasting list spots on players who aren't good enough, and just think of all the players we put onto the senior list permanently only for them to barely play a game. Would we have lost anything if we had of kept Mulligan, Hooper, Panos or Goodes on the rookie list instead of promoting them?

Instead of promoting players on potential, we should only promote them if they are going to be a regular best 22 player (like Dahlhaus, Picken, Morris were), or if they have reached the end of the 3 years they could stay on the rookie list without being cut (Redpath, Jong, JJ).

That's how you get maximum value from your rookie list; leave the players that aren't ready yet on it until they force their way off.

I'd rather have Roarke Smith as a rookie and the 50th best player in this draft on the main list than Roarke Smith on the main list and the 100th best player in this draft on our rookie list.

[Bulldog Joe]

Alternatively, we wait another year on RS and hope DM slips to the rookie draft. But a trade, FA and three picks only saves one spot.

Or we move a couple of trades, Minson, Talia seem to be blokes not moving ahead to much at the moment.

Really think we will trade out players rather than delist.

While Minson is the most obvious, it is not clear who would actually want him. Someone may be interested in Talia, who showed enough in the first 6 rounds.

From the others Darley looks an out as you would expect Lukas Webb and Shane Biggs already command the spot he could have had.

Perhaps a trade for him could at best upgrade a later pick, but it would be more about finding him somewhere to go. Could be an option to Carlton as he would be better than a couple of recent pick ups from other clubs.

I see the 3 most likely outs as Minson, Darley and Fuller.

Could also see Hrovat used as a trade for a possible pick upgrade somewhere.

We should also see Goodes gone from the rookie list, but hopefully retained at Footscray.

[Axe Man]

Why is is Roarke Smith an automatic promotion?

Yes he does look really good at the moment, but is unproven at AFL level, is still very raw and plays a position that doesn't require him available as immediate cover.

We have a history of promoting rookies permanently (ie. not just in the middle of a season) way to early. This forum often talks about wasting list spots on players who aren't good enough, and just think of all the players we put onto the senior list permanently only for them to barely play a game. Would we have lost anything if we had of kept Mulligan, Hooper, Panos or Goodes on the rookie list instead of promoting them?

Instead of promoting players on potential, we should only promote them if they are going to be a regular best 22 player (like Dahlhaus, Picken, Morris were), or if they have reached the end of the 3 years they could stay on the rookie list without being cut (Redpath, Jong, JJ).

That's how you get maximum value from your rookie list; leave the players that aren't ready yet on it until they force their way off.

I'd rather have Roarke Smith as a rookie and the 50th best player in this draft on the main list than Roarke Smith on the main list and the 100th best player in this draft on our rookie list.

Completely agree. I can't understand why I keep seeing others suggesting Smith being promoted is a foregone conclusion.

Perhaps in a year where we have a high list turnover it would be worthwhile, but that is not likely this year.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Why is is Roarke Smith an automatic promotion?

Yes he does look really good at the moment, but is unproven at AFL level, is still very raw and plays a position that doesn't require him available as immediate cover.

We have a history of promoting rookies permanently (ie. not just in the middle of a season) way to early. This forum often talks about wasting list spots on players who aren't good enough, and just think of all the players we put onto the senior list permanently only for them to barely play a game. Would we have lost anything if we had of kept Mulligan, Hooper, Panos or Goodes on the rookie list instead of promoting them?

Instead of promoting players on potential, we should only promote them if they are going to be a regular best 22 player (like Dahlhaus, Picken, Morris were), or if they have reached the end of the 3 years they could stay on the rookie list without being cut (Redpath, Jong, JJ).

That's how you get maximum value from your rookie list; leave the players that aren't ready yet on it until they force their way off.

I'd rather have Roarke Smith as a rookie and the 50th best player in this draft on the main list than Roarke Smith on the main list and the 100th best player in this draft on our rookie list.

Good post as always.

I like the limited I've seen of Smith, but I'm not sure he's done enough to guarantee himself a promotion either. Like you said, I think it's better to be certain as in the case of Dahl/Morris/Boyd, rather than in the case of Hooper/Mulligan. Hopefully over time Smith fits into the first category but I don't see the rush at this point. We have enough cover for his position and he can still develop in the VFL.

[F'scary]

As I have said before, the real issue with the continued strengthening of our list may be that we have trouble keeping the depth in the squad as some players may look for opportunities elsewhere.

The remarkable increase in depth we have seen this year is one of the key reasons we have won 11 games. We have repeatedly had players come in to cover injuries and do well.

[Doc26]

Why is is Roarke Smith an automatic promotion?

Yes he does look really good at the moment, but is unproven at AFL level, is still very raw and plays a position that doesn't require him available as immediate cover.

We have a history of promoting rookies permanently (ie. not just in the middle of a season) way to early. This forum often talks about wasting list spots on players who aren't good enough, and just think of all the players we put onto the senior list permanently only for them to barely play a game. Would we have lost anything if we had of kept Mulligan, Hooper, Panos or Goodes on the rookie list instead of promoting them?

Instead of promoting players on potential, we should only promote them if they are going to be a regular best 22 player (like Dahlhaus, Picken, Morris were), or if they have reached the end of the 3 years they could stay on the rookie list without being cut (Redpath, Jong, JJ).

That's how you get maximum value from your rookie list; leave the players that aren't ready yet on it until they force their way off.

I'd rather have Roarke Smith as a rookie and the 50th best player in this draft on the main list than Roarke Smith on the main list and the 100th best player in this draft on our rookie list.

This all depends on the contract of service that he signed with the Club as to whether we can hold him for another year. If he only signed the minimum one year contract he is entitled to enter himself in the upcoming national draft where another Club may have offered him more surety based on what they've seen through the season. Hopefully we have him locked for 2 years.

[The Doctor]

Could also see Hrovat used as a trade for a possible pick upgrade somewhere.



I don't and I hope the club doesn't either.

I think he will in time, become one of the best of our midgets. Look back to the Swans game. His last 1/4 was absolutely colossal and in my view 2nd only to Easton Wood as the most influential player in winning the game for us in that dramatic last term. That was like a finals contest. At the time we were still an irrelevant team and the Swans a major power and he took on and beat those hardened midfielders from the Swans. Yet still a pup. I wouldn't be giving away that kind of ability so easily.

[Bulldog Joe]

I don't and I hope the club doesn't either.

I think he will in time, become one of the best of our midgets. Look back to the Swans game. His last 1/4 was absolutely colossal and in my view 2nd only to Easton Wood as the most influential player in winning the game for us in that dramatic last term. That was like a finals contest. At the time we were still an irrelevant team and the Swans a major power and he took on and beat those hardened midfielders from the Swans. Yet still a pup. I wouldn't be giving away that kind of ability so easily.

I also like Hrovat. However, we have a lot of players competing for spots. We simply cannot play them all and as such will need to trade someone at some point.

We have father/son MacPherson on the radar this year and in coming years there are more that we may want to add.

I also believe it is important to keep new young talent coming through.

[ledge]

This all depends on the contract of service that he signed with the Club as to whether we can hold him for another year. If he only signed the minimum one year contract he is entitled to enter himself in the upcoming national draft where another Club may have offered him more surety based on what they've seen through the season. Hopefully we have him locked for 2 years.

He was only signed for one year.
I talked to his mum at the ballarat v Melbourne game.

[soupman]

This all depends on the contract of service that he signed with the Club as to whether we can hold him for another year. If he only signed the minimum one year contract he is entitled to enter himself in the upcoming national draft where another Club may have offered him more surety based on what they've seen through the season. Hopefully we have him locked for 2 years.

Has a rookie ever ditched a club that offered to keep him as a rookie after one season?

We have started talking about how we should be an attractive destination for free agents now, so why wouldn't this also apply to players on already on our list?

The only reason a rookie would leave other than for personal reasons (of which we can probably rule out) would be for more opportunity, potentially to save a career that may otherwise fizzle out. Smith is an 18 year old who is developing well at a club that has already demonstrated that it will give it's young guys plenty of opportunities to prove themselves.

He is a raw 18 year old who is employed at a club with a proven good youth development pathway, has demonstrated it will give young players opportunities, wants to keep him, aside from Geelong is as close to home as he can get, will in all likelihood play finals this year and has a setup that allows players to switch seamlessly between seniors and reserves. Would moving to another club offer anything better than slightly more money on a senior contract, some of which he will make next year when he is promoted and will get as match payments?

[Greystache]

Has a rookie ever ditched a club that offered to keep him as a rookie after one season?

We have started talking about how we should be an attractive destination for free agents now, so why wouldn't this also apply to players on already on our list?

The only reason a rookie would leave other than for personal reasons (of which we can probably rule out) would be for more opportunity, potentially to save a career that may otherwise fizzle out. Smith is an 18 year old who is developing well at a club that has already demonstrated that it will give it's young guys plenty of opportunities to prove themselves.

Josh Jenkins. After one year on the rookie list at Essendon he left for Adelaide. They ended up doing it as a trade for a swap of picks and he was the first rookie to be traded.

Essendon would kill for him back too :D

[ledge]

I'm backing he stays, he loves the club and club loves him, did anyone hear in the broadcast he has only given away one free kick all year As a defender? that's massive.
He will definitely get re rookied at least.
His size belies his age too, naturally built and strong, good mark and quite quick with his hands, he seems to have good disposal too.

[Bulldog Joe]

Josh Jenkins. After one year on the rookie list at Essendon he left for Adelaide. They ended up doing it as a trade for a swap of picks and he was the first rookie to be traded.

Essendon would kill for him back too :D

Wasn't Shane Mumford off the rookie list at Geelong and traded to Sydney.

I believe Geelong wanted to keep him as a rookie for a 3rd season, but Sydney made him an offer he couldn't refuse and Geelong couldn't match.

[Twodogs]

Did we give Travis Baird a senior contract after he was on the Rookie List at Brisbane?

[bulldogtragic]

Did we give Travis Baird a senior contract after he was on the Rookie List at Brisbane?

Don't think so, once we had Aker it was over really. We graciously let him pursue his career as a VFL commentator and player agent.

[lemmon]

Don't think so, once we had Aker it was over really. We graciously let him pursue his career as a VFL commentator and player agent.

Marty Pask that was! One of the many who key forward experiments

[bulldogtragic]

Marty Pask that was! One of the many who key forward experiments

Good pick up Lem. They start to blend into one after a while... :)

[Twodogs]

We were crowing about it. How we'd snuck in under Brisbane's guard and signed him to a contract after they had offered him a rookie deal.


Marty Pask was Aker's stable pony wasn't he?

[bulldogtragic]

We were crowing about it. How we'd snuck in under Brisbane's guard and signed him to a contract after they had offered him a rookie deal.


Marty Pask was Aker's stable pony wasn't he?

Yep, and yep.

[bulldogtragic]

Any changes of mind?

[Bulldog4life]

Any changes of mind?

At this stage only definite for me is Fuller

[bornadog]

No Change for me from earlier guess.

[bulldogtragic]

Does Fuller get a game before any axing?

[bornadog]

Does Fuller get a game before any axing?

He is barely good enough for VFL let alone AFL.

[GVGjr]

Does Fuller get a game before any axing?

Who knows but I can't see it because he just can't get on the park enough. He's had a wretched run with injuries since arriving and guys like JJ, over the last 2 seasons, and Biggs this year have come in and pretty much owned the spots he might have been able fill.

[G-Mo77]

Does Fuller get a game before any axing?

Not at this stage of the season. Unfortunate for him he just can't stay healthy long enough to put a few good games together. I have seen improvement this year at times but not enough to warrant senior selection.

[Hotdog60]

Fuller is about the only definite for me. It's a shame he could keep fit long enough to know if he had it in him.
After him it gets hard, does Moz retire or do we give him another year. Still a capable player but I wonder if the old man syndrome is going to catch up with him kinda like Johnson although a golf cart didn't help.
A. Cordy is he just taking a long time to be a AFL footballer and do we rookie him.
Darley and Prudden may come under the microscope.
Hard choices and if the AFL had a formal second tier competition this would be so hard because the main list would be longer and you could delist 6 players without much trouble.

[ReLoad]

I think Prudden, Darley and Fuller are fairly easy cuts to make, realistically they are not offering us anything that other players are not.

Ayce is the interesting one, is he out of contract? sometimes you just have to cut your losses and move on. :(

[bulldogtragic]

He is barely good enough for VFL let alone AFL.

He might put your quote on his resume. He looks below VFL level so far today.

[Bulldog4life]

He might put your quote on his resume. He looks below VFL level so far today.

Hard match to gauge

For example you wouldn't swap Redpath for Boyd on his form shown up to half time today

Hoping he can fire up in the second half

[bulldogtragic]

Boyd and Morris playing on. Three pups extended. It's like musical chairs if you don't have a contract, almost all the chairs have gone. So we are going with minimal changes it seems.

Fuller, Ayce, Darley are uncontracted. Grant too.

[LostDoggy]

Boyd and Morris playing on. Three pups extended. It's like musical chairs if you don't have a contract, almost all the chairs have gone. So we are going with minimal changes it seems.

Fuller, Ayce, Darley are uncontracted. Grant too.

And Talia?

[bulldogtragic]

And Talia?

I thought he signed last year, could be wrong.

The other candidates for trade based on low afl games are him (Talia), Hovat and Minson.

[The Doctor]

Boyd and Morris playing on. Three pups extended. It's like musical chairs if you don't have a contract, almost all the chairs have gone. So we are going with minimal changes it seems.

Fuller, Ayce, Darley are uncontracted. Grant too.

Bevo stated recently he wants to keep the group together so minimal changes would seem likely

[bornadog]

I thought he signed last year, could be wrong.

The other candidates for trade based on low afl games are him (Talia), Hovat and Minson.

Talia hasn't signed

[bornadog]

Bevo stated recently he wants to keep the group together so minimal changes would seem likely

you would think the delistings are down to Fuller, Darley, perhaps Cordy.

[Bulldog Joe]

you would think the delistings are down to Fuller, Darley, perhaps Cordy.

We can still move a contracted player to the rookie list. So despite the 12 month extension we could move Prudden off the main list to create the spots. We can also delist and redraft the same player.

[bornadog]

We can still move a contracted player to the rookie list. So despite the 12 month extension we could move Prudden off the main list to create the spots. We can also delist and redraft the same player.

Do you think Cordy is a chance to switch to the rookie list?

[F'scary]

Do you think Cordy is a chance to switch to the rookie list?

Yeah...but at which club?

[Rocco Jones]

Delistings seem clear to me now. Fuller, Darley and Ayce Cordy. Will Minson to be moved on if another club takes him. Otherwise I would keep him as back up unless he is seeing as a divisive influence (no reason to think this, just the only way I would pay out his contract).

[ledge]

Goodes goes before Darley.
Darley is young and fits the age bracket.

[Doc26]

Goodes goes before Darley.
Darley is young and fits the age bracket.

This is true although unlike Sam, Brett isn't taking up one of the 3 spots on our primary list that we are required to turnover each season.

We may still find that 1 or 2 of our listed players ask for an opportunity elsewhere.

[Rocco Jones]

Senior list-
Fuller, A Cordy, Darley

Rookie list-
Goodes, Pearce

Trade Minson if there is a buyer and we can get another ruckman.

I would keep everyone else if they are happy to stay. That means 3 picks in the ND and 2 in the RD. I think we will definitely draft Darcy McPherson, just whether it's the ND or the RD.

I am happy with only 3 picks. Our 4th pick will be in the high 60s, pretty much equal to a RD pick anyway. Love the notion of keeping a list that is doing the right things together.

[boydogs]

Our 4th pick will be in the high 60s

We might look to move up in the order

[KT31]

We might look to move up in the order

Depends where McPherson is rated, If we were to be guaranteed McPherson with our fourth round pick there would be no need.

[boydogs]

Depends where McPherson is rated, If we were to be guaranteed McPherson with our fourth round pick there would be no need.

He could be a rookie

I wouldn't be surprised with any of Hunter, Talia, Grant, Minson, Campbell, Cordy and our 3rd/4th rounders being traded to give us 3 picks in the first 2 rounds and leaving it at that

[LostDoggy]

We can only Rookie DMac if nobody else bids for him. At worst, I'd think we'll have to use a 4th round.

Only definite delisting I can see is Fuller.

I reckon we've got a few tradeables. Based on (non) contract signings and team selections this year, I suppose Talia, ACordy, Minson, Grant, Hrovat and Darley would be players we'd consider for the trade market. Anyone else would require a particularly good offer initiated by another club.

Who gets traded/delisted, rookied or stays will depend on market demand and who gets traded in.

[LostDoggy]

Cordy trade bait? Is that sarcasm?

[LostDoggy]

Cordy trade bait? Is that sarcasm?

Cordy is 200 cm+ and years from his peak as a ruckman. Clubs will take a chance on his type. He can be traded as part of a package, no problem.

[LostDoggy]

You neglect the fact that in 8 years he has shown very minimal improvement if any, he hasnt being playing ruck for the vfl side most the year either.He could end up at anothe club next year but no side would trade for him they would het him for nothing in the draft.

[LostDoggy]

As Cordy is on our list, a club that may want him would trade with us for a draft pick. That is the same as using a pick for him in the draft. Not sure what your logic is?

[LostDoggy]

Its not the same if he goes into the pre season draft. There are 2 drafts with different picks at the end of the year, the nab draft and the pre season draft. Thats my logic

[LostDoggy]

OK. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think if I club wants him on their list it is quite reasonable that they could trade a low draft pick with us, or he could be included as part of a bigger deal.

Not sure waiting for the PSD is that huge a difference, particularly in a shallow draft year. Also, they are relying on us delisting him and no-one else drafting him first, trading is simpler.

[LostDoggy]

Shallow draft or not trading a pick for cordy is a waste. I think we are all resigned to the fact he wont be on our senior list next year find it hard to believe someone else would put him on it.

[Twodogs]

Is the preseason draft held earlier now or is is still later in the year? I know some clubs preferred to trade for a player rather than wait for the drafts so they could get them in at trade time rather than wait until draft time. The player can start training earlier, stuff like that.

[Greystache]

OK. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think if I club wants him on their list it is quite reasonable that they could trade a low draft pick with us, or he could be included as part of a bigger deal.

Not sure waiting for the PSD is that huge a difference, particularly in a shallow draft year. Also, they are relying on us delisting him and no-one else drafting him first, trading is simpler.


They can pick him up as a delisted free agent for nothing. We don't get a compensation pick either.

[LostDoggy]

They can pick him up as a delisted free agent for nothing. We don't get a compensation pick either.

That's presuming we delist him.

[jazzadogs]

He could be a rookie

I wouldn't be surprised with any of Hunter, Talia, Grant, Minson, Campbell, Cordy and our 3rd/4th rounders being traded to give us 3 picks in the first 2 rounds and leaving it at that

If we can get DMac with a 4th round or later, I would expect us to package our second and third rounders together to gain a late first round/earlier second round pick.

That's presuming that we only want the minimum 3 picks in the draft.

[Rocco Jones]

I don't get why anyone would want Ayce Cordy. We are desperate for a 1st ruckman and a 2nd ruckman/forward, his two ideal spots. If anyone would want him, we would be the club. It''s not like he has glimpses of being able to make it at the level but needs a change of attitude. I think he is truly giving it his all and has been given ample opportunity but is just not good enough.

[Templeton31]

I don't get why anyone would want Ayce Cordy. We are desperate for a 1st ruckman and a 2nd ruckman/forward, his two ideal spots. If anyone would want him, we would be the club. It''s not like he has glimpses of being able to make it at the level but needs a change of attitude. I think he is truly giving it his all and has been given ample opportunity but is just not good enough.

Carlton took Liam Jones when he couldn't get a game in a dysfunctional fwd line last year....

[bulldogtragic]

Carlton took Liam Jones when he couldn't get a game in a dysfunctional fwd line last year....

So you're saying ring Carlton for a trade. :D

[azabob]

So you're saying ring Carlton for a trade. :D

Ok, arm twisted, direct swap for Matty K

[bulldogtragic]

Ok, arm twisted, direct swap for Matty K

MK is a free agent. Perhaps pick 20 is fair. Ayce was a first rounder, nominated by St Kilda with their pick 8 from memory. 7 years of development into Ayce. :)

[Sedat]

Darley, Talia, Minson, A Cordy, Fuller - actually not that difficult to find 5 changes to make to the main list

[Happy Days]

Jarrad Grant still hasn't re-signed...

[Rocco Jones]

Darley, A Cordy and Fuller delisting certs.

Minson I am happy to keep as he is under contract and offers us something. If another club wants him and we can get another ruck, definitely do it.

Grant- I want to keep but if he wants to go (not sure why) and we can get something.... in the 'oh well' basket.

Is Hunter contracted for next year? Massively rate his work of late.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Darley, Talia, Minson, A Cordy, Fuller - actually not that difficult to find 5 changes to make to the main list

They should be certainties, unless Minson is happy to stay/we don't get an offer we like. I suspect we could trade a Hrovat/Talia type too and wouldn't be overly bothered.

Keep R. Smith on the rookie list but remove Pearce, Goodes and Kelly too. Still don't know why we persisted with Pearce given the state of our rookie list options at the time.

[Twodogs]

I don't like making a call on a players spot on the list based on one game but Darley was playing for his spot today and he pretty much phoned it in.

Maybe he's already been told.

[G-Mo77]

Is Hunter contracted for next year? Massively rate his work of late.

I thought he was out of contract but I read somewhere last week he's contracted until 2016. Not sure how true it is but would explain why his name hasn't been brought up in the media in regards to contract negotiations.

[bornadog]

Darley, Talia, Minson, A Cordy, Fuller - actually not that difficult to find 5 changes to make to the main list
Pretty much how I have seen it all year except I had doubts on Prudden. Prudential showed he will be ok. I don't think we should get rid of Talia unless he wants out

[FrediKanoute]

Pretty much how I have seen it all year except I had doubts on Prudden. Prudential showed he will be ok. I don't think we should get rid of Talia unless he wants out

Agree. 6 games in he was a gun. Needs to consolidate. Too early to make a call.