Round 17 Discussion

[Eastdog]

Round 17 Fixture

Date Fixture Venue AEST

Jul 24 Carlton vs Hawthorn Etihad Stadium 7.50pm

Jul 25 GWS Giants vs Geelong StarTrack Oval 1.45pm

Jul 25 Adelaide vs Gold Coast Adelaide Oval 2.10pm

Jul 25 Richmond vs Fremantle MCG 4.35pm

Jul 25 Essendon vs Port Adelaide Etihad Stadium 7.20pm

Jul 25 Brisbane vs North Melbourne The Gabba 7.20pm

Jul 26 Western Bulldogs vs Collingwood Etihad Stadium 1.10pm

Jul 26 Melbourne vs St Kilda MCG 3.20pm

Jul 26 West Coast vs Sydney Domain Stadium 4:40pm

[boydogs]

Lot of tight games this round, should be a good one

http://puu.sh/jaWGF/0dc6618ffa.png

[Bulldog4life]

Jason McCartney in crowd with binoculars

[Bulldog4life]

Jason McCartney in crowd with binoculars

Maybe looking at Suckling who hasn't signed yet

[bulldogtragic]

Jason McCartney in crowd with binoculars
I posted it in another thread, he might just be there gloating about Caleb Daniel and a heap of salary cap room for actually talented players. And Tom Boyd the expected Carlton prodigal son.

[Bulldog4life]

Hawks had more free kicks in a half of footy since 2000

29 frees

[Remi Moses]

Warning warning warning
They're paying free kicks trying to break up the rolling maul

[Bulldog4life]

Warning warning warning
They're paying free kicks trying to break up the rolling maul

Yep and poor Tommy Boyd is not playing

[Remi Moses]

I think Liam's had one touch and 1 goal

[Hotdog60]

Should Carlton be investigated for Tanking? Friday night dreariness.

[Flamethrower]

Real Madrid 4 Carlton 2

[Remi Moses]

What a world of hurt they're in.
I love it

[bulldogtragic]

Embarrassing. They should sack everyone.

[ReLoad]

I hate Carlton as much as the next man, but this is seriously bad for football. We all know the AFL bars up for the Hawks and their ability to pillage lower teams lists to keep thier tilt going, but this is bad bad karma.

[bulldogtragic]

That's it. How do I nominate for the draft. I have poor coordination, no speed and no football skill. Still puts me in the Carlton starting 18 next year.

[bulldogtragic]

This is another showcase Friday night game is it.,

[Remi Moses]

Not when its Them .
They loved doing that to us, and enjoyed rubbing it in

[Remi Moses]

If this was the Western Bulldogs the narrative would be the future of the club.
Please don't feel any empathy for them

[bulldogtragic]

30 tackles for Carlton despite 460 Hawks touches. That's 7 per quarter. On 30 minute quarters that's one tackle every 4.5 minutes over the game.

That's nothing with better skills or anything else other than attitude and application.

Real Madrid 4 - Carlton 4

[Remi Moses]

Eddie Mcguire's just spruiked the afl should be helping Carlton and Essendon out .
Seriously Eddie ? The competition needs them firing according to 5 chins .
Spare me

[ledge]

Why should they help out Essendon ?
What's the reasoning there ?

[SonofScray]

Carlton have fallen a long way as a club in my life time. To think they were once as plucky, or even more obnoxious than Essendon fans. In an era where it has been a little more difficult to blatantly cheat, they've really struggled. It is fantastic, a tragic tale. They are an insignificant rabble.

[Doc26]

Carlton have fallen a long way as a club in my life time. To think they were once as plucky, or even more obnoxious than Essendon fans. In an era where it has been a little more difficult to blatantly cheat, they've really struggled. It is fantastic, a tragic tale. They are an insignificant rabble.

A tragic history they're building

[bornadog]

Carlton along with Essendon are clubs I hate the most. I sent my Hawthorn mate a text tonight saying Thankyou.

[Twodogs]

A tragic history they're building

A tragic present.

A present for the rest of us.

[ratsmac]

Should we just hand Hawthorn the cup now and call off the rest of the season.

[Twodogs]

Hawthorn are beatable. I'd love to stop them using the ball as well as they do.

[Hotdog60]

I wonder how the networks are feeling over their rigged draw on Friday nights. The only draw card they are getting is the sadistic nature in all of us watching Carlton get their pants pulled down on prime time tv.

I still maintain that the AFL should have a lottery draw before the season for round one and then the computer generates the playing order after that with a fixed pattern to place the draw. They could televise the draw and make a bit of a show out of it.

Then the draw is a draw and fair fixturing to all the teams in the comp.

[Throughandthrough]

30 tackles for Carlton despite 460 Hawks touches. That's 7 per quarter. On 30 minute quarters that's one tackle every 4.5 minutes over the game.

That's nothing with better skills or anything else other than attitude and application.

Real Madrid 4 - Carlton 4


Have you seen Chris Judds tackling stats this season before he was injured? (And especially before Malthouse was sacked). Basically non existent.

[Twodogs]

Have you seen Chris Judds tackling stats this season before he was injured? (And especially before Malthouse was sacked). Basically non existent.

Now that you mention it in the C. Judd highlight reel in my head there isn't one tackle I remember at Carlton. Plenty at West Coast but after his shoulders went nothing.

[SlimPickens]

Now that you mention it in the C. Judd highlight reel in my head there isn't one tackle I remember at Carlton. Plenty at West Coast but after his shoulders went nothing.

Don't remember his chicken wing tackle?

[Twodogs]

Don't remember his chicken wing tackle?


Oh yeah. That one.

[Flamethrower]

Looks like we played Geelong back into form last week. They are towelling up the Giants in Canberra.

Little Gazza's horror season has continued in Adelaide. Subbed out at 1/4 time with a knee injury. Suns have been competitive but Crows should win from here.

[chef]

2 crap results for us.

Must win game tomorrow now.

[Roscoe_G]

Surely Scott wouldn't play Boomer as a sub tonight, on the night of his 400th. Scott has been consistently very poor for North, and Harvey consistently very good. Overall, though, given the context and moment, this would be the worst of Scott's ignominious record.

To quote former great David King:

“I think that it would be extremely disappointing, I’d be shattered, I’d actually be gutted as a Kangaroos supporter (if he left),” King said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-has-soured-brent-harveys-400th-game-celebration-says-david-king/story-fni5f986-1227454199082

I will be watching to see how this plays out.

[jeemak]

Surely Scott wouldn't play Boomer as a sub tonight, on the night of his 400th. Scott has been consistently very poor for North, and Harvey consistently very good. Overall, though, given the context and moment, this would be the worst of Scott's ignominious record.

To quote former great David King:

“I think that it would be extremely disappointing, I’d be shattered, I’d actually be gutted as a Kangaroos supporter (if he left),” King said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-has-soured-brent-harveys-400th-game-celebration-says-david-king/story-fni5f986-1227454199082

I will be watching to see how this plays out.

I think if Scott was to continue to malign Harvey, and you guys continue to put in sub-par performances and defy expectations placed upon the team both internally and externally, he'll find himself out of a senior coaching job. It's a precarious time for him.

[jeemak]

I just saw Gil Gil on the TV lamenting the performance of Carlton last night, with the context of the story being he was unhappy with their performance on such a big stage.

It's great the AFL is being made to look foolish due to their stupid fixturing. The Blues are playing poorly, the coach - prone to creating controversy and theatre prior to and after big Friday night games - who started the year with them has been sacked and the AFL has been faced with continued pathetic contests (or lack thereof) to start seven rounds of football.

What a stupid and contrived organisation. As they operate in a captive market they don't realise the hubris of their own behaviour and how they're turning their product offering to crap (much like the major supermarket chains).

[Greystache]

Surely Scott wouldn't play Boomer as a sub tonight, on the night of his 400th. Scott has been consistently very poor for North, and Harvey consistently very good. Overall, though, given the context and moment, this would be the worst of Scott's ignominious record.

To quote former great David King:

“I think that it would be extremely disappointing, I’d be shattered, I’d actually be gutted as a Kangaroos supporter (if he left),” King said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-has-soured-brent-harveys-400th-game-celebration-says-david-king/story-fni5f986-1227454199082

I will be watching to see how this plays out.

He's really making himself look foolish taking such a strong stand when it should be a celebration for the club. He trying to look strong and uncompromising, but really it reminds me of his playing days, a faux hard man.

[Roscoe_G]

I think if Scott was to continue to malign Harvey, and you guys continue to put in sub-par performances and defy expectations placed upon the team both internally and externally, he'll find himself out of a senior coaching job. It's a precarious time for him.

Spot on.

[Roscoe_G]

He's really making himself look foolish taking such a strong stand when it should be a celebration for the club. He trying to look strong and uncompromising, but really it reminds me of his playing days, a faux hard man.

Classic!!!

[bulldogtragic]

I think if Scott was to continue to malign Harvey, and you guys continue to put in sub-par performances and defy expectations placed upon the team both internally and externally, he'll find himself out of a senior coaching job. It's a precarious time for him.
He's got three years left hasn't he? He's a protected species with Brayshaw and the board. Can you imagine if Macca did that with Johno if he got to 400 games???

[boydogs]

Hawthorn are beatable. I'd love to stop them using the ball as well as they do.

I think our high tackling game style matches up well against them. If they are given time and space their skills will cut you to ribbons

[jeemak]

He's got three years left hasn't he? He's a protected species with Brayshaw and the board. Can you imagine if Macca did that with Johno if he got to 400 games???

If his contract didn't have holes in it I'd be very much surprised.

Hahaha, the Pack Your Bags thread would be a delight to read!

[boydogs]

The Leuenberger as our first ruck idea is looking alright at the moment

[lemmon]

Some of the free kicks paid in the ruck contests around the ground in this Essendon/Port game are horrendous. I legitimately have no idea what the reasoning was

[bulldogtragic]

I honestly believe the umpires are confused. If they are having these massive changes from week to week, what hope do we mugs have in trying to understand what should be a simple game?

[bornadog]

I honestly believe the umpires are confused. If they are having these massive changes from week to week, what hope do we mugs have in trying to understand what should be a simple game?

I firmly believe the rule makers and the umpires being forced to umpire in a certain way have caused the majority of the stoppages. Now they are trying to reverse the situation by umpiring differently.

Bloody joke the AFL

[bulldogtragic]

I firmly believe the rule makers and the umpires being forced to umpire in a certain way have caused the majority of the stoppages. Now they are trying to reverse the situation by umpiring differently.

Bloody joke the AFL

I found it funny after a week of radical ideas to change the game and fix it, Al Clarkson's radical plan was have the umpires just umpire to the rules we have and that he thought that would fix coaches and players exploiting changes for changes sake. What a crazy bloke?!!

[lemmon]

I honestly believe the umpires are confused. If they are having these massive changes from week to week, what hope do we mugs have in trying to understand what should be a simple game?

I take it you've seen it too BT, can you make anything of it? I'm sitting here gobsmacked at what they are paying. Are they actually penalising ruckwork? Are the drop punt and handball next? They're the worst three decisions I've ever seen on a footy field

[Greystache]

Some of the free kicks paid in the ruck contests around the ground in this Essendon/Port game are horrendous. I legitimately have no idea what the reasoning was

It's almost like an in joke, only the umpires get what's going on and they won't let anyone in on it.

[Greystache]

The umpires have really lifted here for Essendon in the 3rd quarter.

[jeemak]

The umpires have really lifted here for Essendon in the 3rd quarter.

I noticed that too.

[bulldogtragic]

I take it you've seen it too BT, can you make anything of it? I'm sitting here gobsmacked at what they are paying. Are they actually penalising ruckwork? Are the drop punt and handball next? They're the worst three decisions I've ever seen on a footy field

I've been flicking between both games. Over the last few weeks, probably more this week and last I'm really confused on ruck work and also deliberate out of bounds. And holding the ball. And minor holding and shepherding, and also 'less than 15 metres'. And rushing behinds seems like it's back. Over officious 50m penalties. Pretty much the lot...

It'd be like reacting to the reverse sweep in cricket by a new rule that changes LBW not out pitching outside leg being reversed along the pitch to the new leg stance or opposite side. Or if the bat was behind the pad and the ball would've hit the bat and not the stumps...

I think Clarkson is onto something. Just keep the rules and umpire to them. Wish I could help more Lem but I've got NFI.

[bulldogtragic]

Lowest ever Essendon home crowd at Etihad. Looks like the fans are neither standing, sitting or attending for Hird anymore.

[Greystache]

Umpires trying to will Essendon over the line, can they get them there? Thrilling stuff.

[Greystache]

Lowest ever Essendon home crowd at Etihad. Looks like the fans are neither standing, sitting or attending for Hird anymore.

No Friday nights or blockbusters next year for Essendon, the AFL needs to maximize attendances.

[G-Mo77]

Ryder!!!!!! ;)

[bornadog]

Adelaide jump to 6th (for now ), North 8th, Geelong just out as is Collingwood.

A must win tomorrow. We are very depleted with Hamling, Roberts, Roughead, Stevens all injured in the last few weeks.

[Remi Moses]

Why should they help out Essendon ?
What's the reasoning there ?

Because eddies reasoning is that they are a big club the AFL need them up and running .

[Go_Dogs]

The umpires have really lifted here for Essendon in the 3rd quarter.

Thought the same thing in the last which I caught, obviously we're giving the directive. Might not be good for us tomorrow against a big 4 club...

[Remi Moses]

Apparently Patrick Ryder was " lucky" according to Hird:rolleyes:
Is there a more bitter twisted person involved in the sport?

[Remi Moses]

Thank god Freo won, but now we get to enjoy Richmond's moral victory

[Remi Moses]

Folks brace yourselves for a lot of frees tomorrow .
Brace yourself for idiotic blocking shepherding free kicks that aren't there.
Regardless of what Brad Scott thinks of aspects of Harvey's game, making it public is just plain silly.
The guy deserves better than that, and if anything it's going to hurt Scott .
I'm all for the club interest over the player, but airing his future publicly is just Scott playing the pseudo tough guy

[merantau]

Folks brace yourselves for a lot of frees tomorrow .
Brace yourself for idiotic blocking shepherding free kicks that aren't there.
Regardless of what Brad Scott thinks of aspects of Harvey's game, making it public is just plain silly.
The guy deserves better than that, and if anything it's going to hurt Scott .
I'm all for the club interest over the player, but airing his future publicly is just Scott playing the pseudo tough guy
Agree totally. Absolute disgrace to a guy who was playing at the top level when Brad Scott was running around in short pants sucking icy poles. Akin to that knob Brian Dixon stating publicly that Ted Whitten was not guaranteed a game when he turned up at cellar dwellers North in 1971.

[bornadog]

I am still angry with that moron Eddie saying after Friday nights game that the AFL needs to prop up Carlton and Essendon for the good of the competition. In other words *!*!*!*! the rest of the teams and let's play Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn every Friday night.

Well Eddie, you know what the Hawks have 70,000 members yet the crowd on Friday night was 26,000. Co tenant Essendon only had 20k odd for their match. When we were up and winning in 2008 to 2010 we were averaging 40,000 a match at Etihad.

How can you have a healthy competition if only a few clubs are given exposure.

[merantau]

Apparently Patrick Ryder was " lucky" according to Hird:rolleyes:
Is there a more bitter twisted person involved in the sport?
Hird lost the plot when he fell under the spell of Steven 'Svengali' Danks. Until then his life had been like a Hollywood 'feel good' movie - as wholesome as apple pie. The 'Golden Boy' who could do no wrong as a player, the accumulator of the game's highest awards, feted by the AFL, fawned upon by the media, sanctified by the Essendon faithful had returned to Windy Hill to fulfill his destiny and leads the Dons to another triumphant premiership - 'whatever it takes!'
With 'Svengali' Steve on board, ably assisted by his retinue of contacts from the murky world of Supplements Central, aka Gymland, led by Dr Ageless, the Dons would leave no phial un-opened in their quest for the Holy Grail.
But then the movie began to flicker. The screen went grey, as did Golden Boy's visage as he steadfastly parried blows, aimed at his previously spotless reputation, from the baying media. Then the movie stopped altogether and our star took a sabbatical to hone his business skills. And all the while the cream on the apple pie was curdling. Black mold began to appear on the crust, soon to be followed by grey toxic-looking spores. And the whole rotten thing began to smell like the fumes that emanate from a cook's illicit back-yard lab.
Maybe Golden Boy should have spent his sabbatical honing his PR skills. But then again maybe not. I doubt that even the late Harry M. Miller could make the pie fit for human consumption again.

[bornadog]

Hunter makes the team of the week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK5u2moUkAAyMgR.png

[bornadog]

Rolling team with 4 Doggies players

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK5vYN-UEAAdSrn.pngg team -

[Twodogs]

Bob's in!

[Happy Days]

This team is so confusing. In no universe is anyone ahead of Goldstein for first ruck. Shane Savage got dropped a couple of times earlier this year! By a bottom 4 side!! And how Roughead misses 3 games then pushes out Kennedy and his 25 more goals is a mystery to me.

At least Hill is gone.