Michael Talia

[westdog54]

I heard they used ReLoad's lego MCG.

With Liam Jones still taking a speccy.

[jeemak]

With Liam Jones still taking a speccy.

In lego world Mick Malthouse doesn't have to teach Liam Jones how to jump at the footy either.

[LostDoggy]

With Liam Jones still taking a speccy.

When has he ever done that?!?! :confused:

Only in LegoLand will Jones ever take a speccy as it's the only way his body could be manipulated by someone else.

God knows he can't will himself to do it through his own eker;) skill set.

[Twodogs]

When has he ever done that?!?! :confused:

Only in LegoLand will Jones ever take a speccy as it's the only way his body could be manipulated by someone else.

God knows he can't will himself to do it through his own eker;) skill set.


He took one against Collingwood one night. I can see it in my head.

[westdog54]

He took one against Collingwood one night. I can see it in my head.

I remember him being paid one against Geelong. He'd dropped it cold but it was paid, so it counts.

[bornadog]

I remember him being paid one against Geelong. He'd dropped it cold but it was paid, so it counts.

Didn't drop this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTeQbMG5fo

[bornadog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3y7EtTwJIY

[bornadog]

did drop this one but paid:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DE_zFtCPcs

[Greystache]

I remember him being paid one against Geelong. He'd dropped it cold but it was paid, so it counts.

Watching some of the replays of matches from the 80's on Fox Footy last week. It would have been paid without debate back then. So would Ablett's mark of the year for that matter. It's probably a thread on its own, but for all the people harking on about getting back to the glory days of 80's footy, it was a terrible spectacle. Free kicks in nearly every contest, blindly bombing the ball high and long whenever a palyer got the ball in traffic, and players routinely squibbing contests to avoid contact. I'm pretty sure I saw a player get a hitout and be paid a mark, and no one even batted an eye lid :eek:.

[LostDoggy]

Agree with this. Watching footy from decades ago, another stark difference is that players were just not conditioned to make repeat efforts consistently. Having seen what players are expected to do unconditionally these days, it is quite frustrating watching players from yesteryear contest a mark, then just stand and watch a nearby contest. Makes you appreciate the games development.

[lemmon]

Didn't drop this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTeQbMG5fo

That footage is insane, not one player on it is still at the club

[Twodogs]

Didn't drop this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpTeQbMG5fo


The last frame is Cooney, Jones and Higgins. How things change.

[Dancin' Douggy]

How's that passage of play. Lake, to Griffene to Hargreave, long bomb to Jones who takes a mark over Shaun Higgins with Cooney lurking for the crumbs. All gone. And 5 of them ending their careers at different clubs.

Tough business.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Who's the number 37 in the last clip, I don't recognise him?

[bornadog]

Who's the number 37 in the last clip, I don't recognise him?

47? Austin

[Sedat]

Much as I'd like to subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the AFL will find precisely nothing and will air their 'findings' on Xmas Eve, the delays in making any announcements leads be to believe that there might just be something in the allegations that the AFL cannot ignore.

[bornadog]

Much as I'd like to subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the AFL will find precisely nothing and will air their 'findings' on Xmas Eve, the delays in making any announcements leads be to believe that there might just be something in the allegations that the AFL cannot ignore.

It has taken long enough, so one can only conclude they need to delve deeper into the issue.

[Twodogs]

Much as I'd like to subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the AFL will find precisely nothing and will air their 'findings' on Xmas Eve, the delays in making any announcements leads be to believe that there might just be something in the allegations that the AFL cannot ignore.


Me too. If there was nothing to say they would have said so by now and done a little dance.

[EasternWest]

How's that passage of play. Lake, to Griffene to Hargreave, long bomb to Jones who takes a mark over Shaun Higgins with Cooney lurking for the crumbs. All gone. And 5 of them ending their careers at different clubs.

Tough business.

Griffen I can understand but what did Shaggy do to deserve this?

[Twodogs]

Griffen I can understand but what did Shaggy do to deserve this?


Retired.

[SonofScray]

Me too. If there was nothing to say they would have said so by now and done a little dance.

Feels that way. Perhaps they just can't work a way to spin it as a issue-non issue / sorry - not-sorry event a la Melbourne and the tanking fine.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Retired.

Exactly.........how dare he.

[stefoid]

thankfully you are wrong - dal is in that footage

[bulldogtragic]

The last frame is Cooney, Jones and Higgins. How things change.

Yes. Now we win games of footy.

[EasternWest]

Yes. Now we win games of footy.

And chase.

[boydogs]

Of those 3 marks, the only one where Jones extended his arms instead of marking the ball on his chest he dropped

[jeemak]

And chase.

Except for within large patches of finals!

[northernsoul74]

The Age reporting that no sanctions are expected to be laid against the Talia brothers or the Crows.
Me too. If there was nothing to say they would have said so by now and done a little dance.

[Twodogs]

The Age reporting that no sanctions are expected to be laid against the Talia brothers or the Crows.


I wonder what the big delay was then?

[jeemak]

It takes a long time to reconcile conflicting accounts of matters to get the overarching story water tight and impervious to criticism, especially when the auditors of the stories told want a specific conclusion to them and don't apply any pressure on those presenting them.

[whythelongface]

The Age reporting that no sanctions are expected to be laid against the Talia brothers or the Crows.

Meanwhile the Western Bulldogs will be fined by the AFL for bringing the game into disrepute. The AFL stated that the Western Bulldogs, an AFL club with a small membership base, should never have asked the AFL to investigate this matter as it would not have affected the result of the game. A spokesperson for the AFL stated that "the Western Bulldogs were lucky to make the top 8 and should just be thankful for doing so well this year. They are not one of the strongholds of the competition and therefore the matter should never of been raised. If it had of been an Essendon or Collingwood we certainly would have provided more resources to the investigation and held those responsible to account."



edited for accuracy

[Ghost Dog]

It takes a long time to reconcile conflicting accounts of matters to get the overarching story water tight and impervious to criticism, especially when the auditors of the stories told want a specific conclusion to them and don't apply any pressure on those presenting them.

BANG, yes! and isn't this just the way it works? Um are you a public servant? a lawyer perhaps? Right....on...the....money.

[jeemak]

BANG, yes! and isn't this just the way it works? Um are you a public servant? a lawyer perhaps? Right....on...the....money.

No, I'm not employed as any of the above. I'm in transport.


Because it's a people based industry and there's a lot of peripheral stakeholder skin in the game most of the issues that arise involve people trying to sweeten the stupid things that are expelled from various people's cranial orifices who are under their control. It takes ages for feedback to come my way and it's generally easy enough to tell which type of feedback is genuine and truthful and which isn't.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Insomnia. Last night. Sat up watching some of this years dog's games.

What struck me was Talia's complete lack of awareness of what's going on around him.

I know it's easy to get the knives out when someones gone, but it was just so obvious and repetitive.

While a young player is wearing your own colours you tend to look through rose coloured glasses, and use terms like, "gee he only needs to improve on x,y and z, and he'll be great".

With the cloak of delusion, hope and fantasy removed, you can see the truth about a player.

And the amount of times Talia made the wrong decision, spoilt his own team mates, punched the ball directly into the path of opposition forwards, ran to the wrong spots etc, (and then there's his kicking). It made me feel quite comfortable, FROM A FOOTBALL PERSPECTIVE, that we won't miss him.

It's still a very sad and strange story though, and I really feel for his grandpa, hope it doesn't affect his health too much.

[bulldogtragic]

I've been pondering about this fella and Gryphone leaving/betraying the year before. I think he deserves the same treatment as the club clearly knows more than the AFL will ever actually admit. So I can't identify him with any respect from here in, so I'm going with the dismissive bastardised name spelling of Tahyleea just in case if you think my spell checker went nuts. I'm still stuck on an interview with Bob Murphy at the AA telecast where Gerard Whately said 'but it didn't effect the game though did it Bob?' In reference to narrowly losing the final. And Bob didn't agree with the comment. That sums it up for me.

[LostDoggy]

I remember that. In his understated way, Bob said something like: She was a pretty tight game... or something like that, with real regret in his voice.

I hold no hope for penalties or anything like that (the real penalties are beyond the authority of the AFL anyway) but I hope a vague facsimile of what really happened somehow finds its way to the light of day.

[bornadog]

I've been pondering about this fella and Gryphone leaving/betraying the year before. I think he deserves the same treatment as the club clearly knows more than the AFL will ever actually admit. So I can't identify him with any respect from here in, so I'm going with the dismissive bastardised name spelling of Tahyleea just in case if you think my spell checker went nuts. I'm still stuck on an interview with Bob Murphy at the AA telecast where Gerard Whately said 'but it didn't effect the game though did it Bob?' In reference to narrowly losing the final. And Bob didn't agree with the comment. That sums it up for me.

nah, let go he is gone and we don't care anymore.

[bulldogtragic]

I remember that. In his understated way, Bob said something like: She was a pretty tight game... or something like that, with real regret in his voice.

I hold no hope for penalties or anything like that (the real penalties are beyond the authority of the AFL anyway) but I hope a vague facsimile of what really happened somehow finds its way to the light of day.

Yep and yep. Usually on 360 he's always really upbeat and doesn't usually disagree. And as you say his body language, tone and pointing out it was a narrow loss in disagreeing is what will stick with me and the Tahyleea brothers conspiracy before their successful narrow win against our club.

[Ghost Dog]

How do you think the boys will react when we first play Sydney? I'd be disappointed if our forward line didn't let him how how close knit we are down at Whitten Oval.

[Throughandthrough]

How do you think the boys will react when we first play Sydney? I'd be disappointed if our forward line didn't let him how how close knit we are down at Whitten Oval.


Bob "where's Talia?"
Buddy "I think the reserves are playing in Brisbane today"

[Rocket Science]

Oh, this saga's still unsettled?

Haha.

[bulldogtragic]

Oh, this saga's still unsettled?

Haha.

To be fair, it happened to the start of September. It involves a handful of people. And it's only mid November. You can't rush cover ups.

[EasternWest]

Bob "where's Talia?"
Buddy "I think the reserves are playing in Brisbane today"

Not bad.

[Mofra]

How do you think the boys will react when we first play Sydney? I'd be disappointed if our forward line didn't let him how how close knit we are down at Whitten Oval.
IF he's playing..... Tom Boyd + Redpath + Minson + Stringer + Campbell starting forward six should do the trick. Even for just a few minutes.

[Twodogs]

IF he's playing..... Tom Boyd + Redpath + Minson + Stringer + Campbell starting forward six should do the trick. Even for just a few minutes.


We should Rookie list Rick Kennedy just for the Swans matches. Tits would sort this out.

[Remi Moses]

Don't worry, it will all come out in the cover up

[Remi Moses]

We should Rookie list Rick Kennedy just for the Swans matches. Tits would sort this out.

Might do a bit of surfing ;)
I still remember his finest work on Kernahan and Dunstall

[Mofra]

We should Rookie list Rick Kennedy just for the Swans matches. Tits would sort this out.
My favourite player as a kid, although I was about 5 before I stopped calling him "Rickedy Kennedy"
The first I knew of the tough line of no 8s in the Bulldogs jumper (Dent, Hahn, Toohey, etc)

[Bulldog4life]

My favourite player as a kid, although I was about 5 before I stopped calling him "Rickedy Kennedy"
The first I knew of the tough line of no 8s in the Bulldogs jumper (Dent, Hahn, Toohey, etc)

Were you old enough to call him Tits then?.:)

[Bulldog4life]

Western Bulldogs all but pay Sydney to take Michael Talia #afltrades

If Sydney do slightly better in 2016 than they did this year, then the Bulldogs have given Talia away for less than nothing. (Feel free to steal that example of a proper if-then statement, Damo)

Sydney value in: 1200 points (Michael Talia 815 points, pick 69 – 385 points

Western Bulldogs value in: 400 points (2016 pick ~68 points)

Verdict: Very unfair trade, Sydney get back 3 points of value for every point given up.

After the “talking to his brother” scandal, the Bulldogs have turned hard on Michael Talia and are turfing him for potentially less than nothing, making him a free hit at filling a dire need in the Swans’ future plans. Specifically, the nominal value of the Swans 2016 pick is 68, but that could easy fall below the 69 the Dogs traded to Sydney via either a better Swans performance (making a prelim final), or a couple of free agent compensation picks pushing the pick down the order. Unless Sydney slide down the ladder, the Bulldogs would probably have been better off simply delisting him.

Now, there’s a strong chance that Michael Talia is not a good player and he may never take a regular spot at the Swans, but they are desperate for a key position defender with any sort of experience between the ages of 20 and 30, and Talia fits that bill at no cost.

Talia goes into the mix with Aliir Allir and Xavier Richards for the key defender positions soon to be vacated by Ted Richards (33 in January) and Heath Grundy (30 in June). He fills a gaping hole in the Swans list profile, with the only other candidates being Sam Reid who is probably needed up forward with Goodes’ retirement, or mid-sized defenders like Rampe and Laidler. Spare a thought also for Alex Johnson, a 23-year-old who hasn’t played since the 2012 grand final due to an ACL injury and subsequent infection complications. He won’t play again before 2017, if ever.

Talia has played 9, 3 and 14 games over the last three years (an average of 8.7), and turned 22 in February. He got a Brownlow vote once. Based on his record so far, we’d therefore project him to play about another 81 games in his career, making his fair value around pick 37. Talia reaching that projection would be a very good result for Sydney

https://hurlingpeoplenow.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/western-bulldogs-all-but-pay-sydney-to-take-michael-talia-afltrades/

[LostDoggy]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/central-coast-mariners-confirm-phone-investigation-a-league/6948660

This is weird. Can't remember an incident like this occurring publicly in Australian professional sport, and now a 2nd incidence pops up before our investigation is completed.

[Twodogs]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/central-coast-mariners-confirm-phone-investigation-a-league/6948660

This is weird. Can't remember an incident like this occurring publicly in Australian professional sport, and now a 2nd incidence pops up before our investigation is completed.

Maybe the AFL knew this was coming up and the delay is to see how it plays out? They'd look a bit silly if they released a report saying it's not that important and then there's an uproar over this.

Although the AFL can do some very silly things.

[Twodogs]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/central-coast-mariners-confirm-phone-investigation-a-league/6948660

This is weird. Can't remember an incident like this occurring publicly in Australian professional sport, and now a 2nd incidence pops up before our investigation is completed.

Maybe the AFL knew this was coming up and the delay is to see how it plays out? They'd look a bit silly if they released a report saying it's not that important and then there's an uproar over this.

Although the AFL can do some very silly things.

[Bulldog Joe]

Western Bulldogs all but pay Sydney to take Michael Talia #afltrades

If Sydney do slightly better in 2016 than they did this year, then the Bulldogs have given Talia away for less than nothing. (Feel free to steal that example of a proper if-then statement, Damo)

Sydney value in: 1200 points (Michael Talia 815 points, pick 69 – 385 points

Western Bulldogs value in: 400 points (2016 pick ~68 points)

Verdict: Very unfair trade, Sydney get back 3 points of value for every point given up.

..



https://hurlingpeoplenow.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/western-bulldogs-all-but-pay-sydney-to-take-michael-talia-afltrades/

Despite the article, it is a better scenario than a mere delisting.

We have given Sydney a pick we were not going to use and have one in 2016 that we may well use.

So from our end Talia for Sydney 4th round 2016 and whatever happens with his career, it is not a loss for us as he had to go regardless.

[Ozza]

My favourite player as a kid, although I was about 5 before I stopped calling him "Rickedy Kennedy"
The first I knew of the tough line of no 8s in the Bulldogs jumper (Dent, Hahn, Toohey, etc)

Think you must mean Danny Southern! Dent was #21 IIRC.

[GVGjr]

Do we owe Talia an apology and should Cheney have stepped forward straight away when the AFL started it's investigation?

Read more here (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/anger-as-talia-case-nears-close-20151120-gl4bb0.html)

[bulldogtragic]

Do we owe Talia an apology and should Cheney have stepped forward straight away when the AFL started it's investigation?

Read more here (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/anger-as-talia-case-nears-close-20151120-gl4bb0.html)

Funny if not so serious. One lost his phone. The other deleted messages. #AFLGullabilityUnit

[F'scary]

It all reads very strangely - a bit "nothing to see here"

[comrade]

When does anyone ever delete a message that isn't incriminating?

[bulldogtragic]

When does anyone ever delete a message that isn't incriminating?

And when does anyone believe it... 'Oh Benji, I see you don't have text messages on your phone from Carl about Victor Pierce. I guess there's nothing to see here then. Case closed'.

There's general incompetence, but when you're fed lines like 'nah, it was a joke despite 3 convos with 2 people', 'I lost my phone' and 'I deleted the messages' and then actually believe it. That's a badly handled cover up or the AFL gullibility unit staff have a collective IQ below 50 combined.

[whythelongface]

Do we owe Talia an apology and should Cheney have stepped forward straight away when the AFL started it's investigation?

Read more here (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/anger-as-talia-case-nears-close-20151120-gl4bb0.html)

Someone certainly does. We only acted based on the information that we were presented which came direct from one of the players involved being Cheney. It seems we trusted Cheney's words above Talias. Cheney is the one that needs to be punished for fabricating a story and continue to fabricate this story, whilst fully knowing he was lying.

[whythelongface]

And when does anyone believe it... 'Oh Benji, I see you don't have text messages on your phone from Carl about Victor Pierce. I guess there's nothing to see here then. Case closed'.

There's general incompetence, but when you're fed lines like 'nah, it was a joke despite 3 convos with 2 people', 'I lost my phone' and 'I deleted the messages' and then actually believe it. That's a badly handled cover up or the AFL gullibility unit staff have a collective IQ below 50 combined.

Either way Cheney is the player feeding the lies and should cop some form of punishment.

[GVGjr]

I find it hard to believe that in a long and thorough investigation and one where the integrity of a playing mate is being questioned Cheney's story only 'changed' late in proceedings. I would have thought he would have come clean straight away otherwise it would be deemed an act of cowardice for him not to clear his team mate once he was placed under immense scrutiny. Are we to believe that reputations have been tarnished because of Cheney's sense of humour and all he will get is a warning for being a naughty boy?
At the very least Cheney should be suspended by the Crows for bringing their club into disrepute.

A more cynical person would think the evidence has somehow changed conveniently in line with an outcome the AFL wanted all along.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

I hope Sydney play Adelaide in a final next year

[bulldogtragic]

Either way Cheney is the player feeding the lies and should cop some form of punishment.

That's if you believe his change of story. He told Stratton and Bevo one story and maintained it. It looks like his team mate and club might get in the shite because he blabbed... Then after talking to his club he decides to say he lied and so said team mate and club are off the hook and he gets a stern word. I may be a hardened skepitc and spent too many years working out truth from lies, liars and motivations for lying, but I don't for a second believe any of this. Not a bit. Compounding it with a missing phone and deleted texts from the both then....

So question:

Why did Cheney have one single consistent story to Stratton & Bevo over 3 seperate conversations?
Who benefits from Cheney changing his story?
Why didn't Tahyleea end up at Adelaide for free if they knew this cleared them both?
Why didn't any other club go for him knowing the rumours that would've circled that Cheney was changing his story?
Is Bevo a good judge of character and seem competent to judge the truthfulness of Stratton & Cheney who he's known for many years?
Is it too convenient both brothers lost/deleted the evidence?

Cheney is a dead set patsy and focussing attention on the patsy is what the AFL, Adelaide and Tahleeyas want.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

Stinks to high heaven

[Twodogs]

I find it hard to believe that in a long and thorough investigation and one where the integrity of a playing mate is being questioned Cheney story only 'changed' late in proceedings. I would have thought he would have come clean straight away otherwise it would be deemed an act of cowardice for him not to clear his team mate once he was placed under immense scrutiny. Are we to believe that reputations have been tarnished because of Cheney's sense of humour and all he will get is a warning for being a naughty boy?
At the very least Cheney should be suspended by the Crows for bringing their club into disrepute.

A more cynical person would think the evidence has somehow changed conveniently in line with an outcome the AFL wanted all along.

I'm the most cynical person in the world and I don't belive this change of story is genuine.

How do you get 4 corners to look into something?

Here we go

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/contact/

It says comment in less than 150 words. We could use some of the bullet points posters have listed

[Flamethrower]

I hope Sydney play Adelaide in a final next year

I hope it's 17 vs 18.

[jeemak]

He admitted to fabricating the story under duress! They're not even pretending any more.

[bulldogtragic]

He admitted to fabricating the story under duress! They're not even pretending any more.

To be fair, they consulted Dick Cheney & Don Rumsfeld and both men agreed water boarding is not torture. So it wasn't torture.

[LostDoggy]

There's a Stench in the air and it's coming from AFL House. :mad:

[jazzadogs]

So if my mate, someone I trust, came up to me and said "hey, I was talking to Carlos last night and he reckons he's been sleeping with your girl. They send dick pics!", and then my girlfriend found out I knew and 'lost her phone', and old mate Carlos ADMITTED to deleting messages, AFL logic suggests nothing to see there???

Are they serious??

[azabob]

To be fair, they consulted Dick Cheney & Don Rumsfeld and both men agreed water boarding is not torture. So it wasn't torture.

But BT, don't forget there are known, knowns and unknown, knowns.

[bulldogtragic]

But BT, don't forget there are known, knowns and unknown, knowns.

And then this, a Unknowns Unknowns. We might have to check if Cheney was having his post season 'holiday' in Cuba or on a non stop rendition flight between countries...

[bornadog]

Just read this and the story doesn't add up. Sorry AFL, something is rotten in Denmark

[Greystache]

And the AFL wonders why people are losing interest in the sport in droves. North Korea would look at those findings and say they're hard to believe.

For starters you can delete a text message off a phone but you can't delete a message from the telcos database, that's how they catch criminals and terrorists. To put that in their findings prove it's a cover up and is an amateur error.

Everyone was wondering why it was taking so long for the AFL to find nothing, the answer was Cheney wouldn't withdraw his statement until they threatened and intimidated him for long enough. Seriously this competition is run by numpties who think people don't realise how corrupt it is. If I cared enough I'd look into having the findings brought into question, but who really cares about AFL footy enough anymore to bother?

[josie]

I am officially disenchanted with the Afl. Naive enough to think delays meant something serious, not the complete debacle this is. I really hope the truth comes out. Bloody disgrace. Looking on bright side these obstacles will galvanise our grand club, just like shocktober. GO DOGS!!!

[GVGjr]

And the AFL wonders why people are losing interest in the sport in droves. North Korea would look at those findings and say they're hard to believe.

For starters you can delete a text message off a phone but you can't delete a message from the telcos database, that's how they catch criminals and terrorists. To put that in their findings prove it's a cover up and is an amateur error.

Everyone was wondering why it was taking so long for the AFL to find nothing, the answer was Cheney wouldn't withdraw his statement until they threatened and intimidated him for long enough. Seriously this competition is run by numpties who think people don't realise how corrupt it is. If I cared enough I'd look into having the findings brought into question, but who really cares about AFL footy enough anymore to bother?

We need a twitter campaign along the lines of #AFLStopTheRot

[the strath doggie]

I agree, however, if what Cheney is alleged to be now saying is true he should be heavily fined, not just warned. We lost a player that we invested a lot of energy into. Perhaps the AFL should give us a compensation pick.

[azabob]

I agree, however, if what Cheney is alleged to be now saying is true he should be heavily fined, not just warned. We lost a player that we invested a lot of energy into. Perhaps the AFL should give us a compensation pick.

Talia was always leaving regardless.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Either way Cheney is the player feeding the lies and should cop some form of punishment.
I suspect the opposite. Cheney has initially told the truth but the case blew up with the Dogs reporting it and showing Talia the door. Cheney realises that his word is the lynchpin of what happens and after talking with everyone, takes the flak and says he was joking to save the Talia family name and to limit the utilitarian damage, including his own role as executioner. The main victims (he reasons) of his change of public stance are large, strong institutions that can carry it better than the individuals involved, being Truth and The Western Bulldogs.
Cheney has served the Western Bulldogs by letting them know of the betrayal by Michael Talia so they can weed him out, which is the important part for us. The penalty or public ignorance is less important for us. We are going on to better things. Plenty of people out there will be able to work out what happened so we won't lose credibility or respect in the matter.

[Dancin' Douggy]

God almighty the AFL is a minefield of corruption and incompetence. Do they really think the general public is so STUPID?

Their 'investigations' into tanking, their 'not guilty' verdict for the bombers, and now this.

They must be held to account by someone sometime.

What a complete and utter shambles.

[G-Mo77]

LOL. I literally did when I read about the outcome.

Could this result be any more ludicrous? Deleted texts, lost phone and a joke from Cheney in the 11th hour and this one is settled. I'm sure they went through this case with a fine toothed comb.

[GVGjr]

I agree, however, if what Cheney is alleged to be now saying is true he should be heavily fined, not just warned. We lost a player that we invested a lot of energy into. Perhaps the AFL should give us a compensation pick.

This is where the whole outcome is questionable.

I think we are being asked to believe that Cheney told Stratton and then Beveridge a lie and then when the intense pressure focused on the Talia brothers he didn't try and come clean preferring to allow his team mate and fellow defender in Daniel and Daniels brother Michael have their ethics questioned while still he held firm on his concocted story.
It's only after Michael and the Bulldogs had an acrimonious split and the AFL placed Cheney under a lot of pressure to come clean that his story switched that it was all just a big laugh.
So after many weeks of expense, many weeks of angst for two clubs and two brothers and the AFL where Cheney allowed all and sundry to have their reputations tarnished the net sum of his shenanigans is a strong warning?

I'd expect that the AFL would come down a lot harder and I'd also expect Adelaide to suspend or sack him for simply not coming clean when the shit started getting real. The fact that they haven't places a bigger question on the way this investigation has been conducted.

Get the brothers to agree for their text message exchanges during that questionable period to be made available to the AFL and if their story holds true then the matter would be cleared up and Cheney could be judged on his contribution to the whole investigation. If they don't agree then clearly they have something to hide.

[Twodogs]

This is where the whole outcome is questionable.

I think we are being asked to believe that Cheney told Stratton and then Beveridge a lie and then when the intense pressure focused on the Talia brothers he didn't try and come clean preferring to allow his team mate and fellow defender in Daniel and Daniels brother Michael have their ethics questioned while still he held firm on his concocted story.
It's only after Michael and the Bulldogs had an acrimonious split and the AFL placed Cheney under a lot of pressure to come clean that his story switched that it was all just a big laugh.
So after many weeks of expense, many weeks of angst for two clubs and two brothers and the AFL where Cheney allowed all and sundry to have their reputations tarnished the net sum of his shenanigans is a strong warning?

I'd expect that the AFL would come down a lot harder and I'd also expect Adelaide to suspend or sack him for simply not coming clean when the shit started getting real. The fact that they haven't places a bigger question on the way this investigation has been conducted.

Get the brothers to agree for their text message exchanges during that questionable period to be made available to the AFL and if their story holds true then the matter would be cleared up and Cheney could be judged on his contribution to the whole investigation. If they don't agree then clearly they have something to hide.

Well said Gary. A large part of that will be in my notes to 4 Corners.
The text messages have to be retrieved and reviewed at the very least.

[Bulldog Joe]

The AFL have proven that they indeed have a magnificent grasp on justice.

Anything that is or can be destroyed(deleted/shredded) can never have really happened and anyone who questions that must be at least misguided.

If only the AFL integrity unit could be used to investigate criminal activity, we could dispense with prisons all together.

[Remi Moses]

Despite the article, it is a better scenario than a mere delisting.

We have given Sydney a pick we were not going to use and have one in 2016 that we may well use.

So from our end Talia for Sydney 4th round 2016 and whatever happens with his career, it is not a loss for us as he had to go regardless.

Also in a stronger draft pool

[Remi Moses]

Richard Nixon and Watergate have more credibility than this organisation .

[bornadog]

The AFL have proven that they indeed have a magnificent grasp on justice.

Anything that is or can be destroyed(deleted/shredded) can never have really happened and anyone who questions that must be at least misguided.

If only the AFL integrity unit could be used to investigate criminal activity, we could dispense with prisons all together.

It's a handy shredder, used by Essendon as well.

[GVGjr]

Does anyone have good photoshop skills? We really need a poster of an AFL remake of the Jim Carrey classic movie Liar Liar with the Australian star Kyle 'It was me' Cheney cast in the starring role. An AFL Integrity Unit production

[Twodogs]

Richard Nixon and Watergate have more credibility than this organisation .


The poor old Watergate. It was just a standard hotel plugging along and minding it's own business until Nixon came along and infected it with his paranoia and criminality. Now by association it becomes on of the most perjorative words in the English language. Anything that is a bit suss gets the suffix "-gate" added to it.

[Greystache]

The poor old Watergate. It was just a standard hotel plugging along and minding it's own business until Nixon came along and infected it with his paranoia and criminality. Now by association it becomes on of the most perjorative words in the English language. Anything that is a bit suss gets the suffix "-gate" added to it.

It annoys the shit out of me. Do they think the Watergate saga centered around water? People just use a cliché without having any idea why. I don't want to shoot Bambi or the proof is in the pudding are right up there too.

[Sedat]

They've had 2 months to concoct a plausible story to make this issue go away, and that is the best that City Hall can come up with? Cheney sheepishly saying "aw shucks I was joking all along", and by the way all the potentially incriminating text messages are now gone.

Cue George Costanza......"it's not a lie if you believe it" :rolleyes:

[GVGjr]

They've had 2 months to concoct a plausible story to make this issue go away, and that is the best that City Hall can come up with? Cheney sheepishly saying "aw shucks I was joking all along", and by the way all the potentially incriminating text messages are now gone.

Cue George Costanza......"it's not a lie if you believe it" :rolleyes:

Or the Al Bundy classic, 'It's only cheating if you get caught'

[Twodogs]

They've had 2 months to concoct a plausible story to make this issue go away, and that is the best that City Hall can come up with? Cheney sheepishly saying "aw shucks I was joking all along", and by the way all the potentially incriminating text messages are now gone.

Cue George Costanza......"it's not a lie if you believe it" :rolleyes:

The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that Kyle Cheney and Dick Cheney are related.

[S Coast Simon]

The AFL are insulting people's intelligence once again. This is just simply not a good enough lie. I am very disappointed they have not managed to come up with a better story than it was a joke. Two months and that's it. They're not even trying anymore.

[Twodogs]

Or the Al Bundy classic, 'It's only cheating if you get caught'

They have all been caught. Therefore they are cheating. And lying at the same time. At least somebody must be. Everybody in this process (which was established to find out the truth) seems to be telling a different story that suits their own purposes. Even the guy who has owned up to not telling the truth appears to be not telling the truth about not telling the truth.

Justice hasn't been served, the truth hasn't come out, the messenger (us) has been shot, it took ages to come up with a story I wouldn't believe from a four year old, nobody has learned a lesson (except Kyle Cheney has learned that telling the truth gets you in hot water), Talia has got the transfer he wanted even though it was our trade week that was impacted from effectively not being able to barter with clubs over him, our coach looks like a fool who can't tell when people he's known for years are lying to him and the AFL think that's a good outcome?

We haven't heard the end of this.

[LostDoggy]

It is interesting that the AFL was going to release the findings Friday, but there was dispute as to the wording, with interested parties refusing to sign off on the final statement. 2 observations:

- The fact that the parties need to sign off shows what a mockery the whole process is. If you are doing a legitimate impartial investigation, you investigate and release your findings, the parties being investigated don't get a say in the wording of your 'findings'.

- I hope we are the primary party kicking up a stink. The reported facts are farcical, if we roll over and sign off on what is being reported, it will damage our long term credibility as an organisation. Dare I use such esoteric terms, but it will be a stain on our club's soul.

[westdog54]

They've had 2 months to concoct a plausible story to make this issue go away, and that is the best that City Hall can come up with? Cheney sheepishly saying "aw shucks I was joking all along", and by the way all the potentially incriminating text messages are now gone.

Cue George Costanza......"it's not a lie if you believe it" :rolleyes:

My exact thoughts also.

It's Yes Minister-type stuff

[Twodogs]

I wonder if as members of the football club we have the legal standing to appeal the findings of this tribunal? There must be a due process that allows for the findings to be appealed or the findings have no real legal standing? Is that DP in a nutshell? keeping in mind that "nutshell" doesn't mean a ver batim reciting of the DP definition. It means short.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm watching Godfather Pt 2. It seems the inspiration for this saga was taken from this 3 minute scene almost entirely:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJI9vpKRP5I

[The Adelaide Connection]

Does anyone have good photoshop skills? We really need a poster of an AFL remake of the Jim Carrey classic movie Liar Liar with the Australian star Kyle 'It was me' Cheney cast in the starring role. An AFL Integrity Unit production

I gave it a crack (however I thought MT needed centre stage):

(Click to enlarge)
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Edit: Had to make it ridiculously small as it would only let me upload a 40kb or so file. Looked in settings at my attachment section and there are no other files there (aside this one at around 40kb) but in total says there is 197kb and the storage is nearly at capacity. Is this normal?

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I gave it a crack (however I thought MT needed centre stage):

(Click to enlarge)
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Edit: Had to make it ridiculously small as it would only let me upload a 40kb or so file. Looked in settings at my attachment section and there are no other files there (aside this one at around 40kb) but in total says there is 197kb and the storage is nearly at capacity. Is this normal?

Love your work. This needs exposure. I'm sending it to AFL headquarters and 4 Corners for starters.

[Go_Dogs]

The indictment here is that I'm not even annoyed with the farcical outcome, it's as we all expected it would be.

Unfortunately, there isn't anything that can be done because we simply don't have a strong enough position in the competition - we just have to smile for the camera and cop it. If it involved a player placing a $5 bet, or Collingwood were the impacted club, I'm sure the investigation would have been more thorough...

[The Adelaide Connection]

Love your work. This needs exposure. I'm sending it to AFL headquarters and 4 Corners for starters.

You are welcome to use it. I posted it to the WB forum on facebook but it was promptly removed (which I thought was a bit over precious).

[jeemak]

The indictment here is that I'm not even annoyed with the farcical outcome, it's as we all expected it would be.

Unfortunately, there isn't anything that can be done because we simply don't have a strong enough position in the competition - we just have to smile for the camera and cop it. If it involved a player placing a $5 bet, or Collingwood were the impacted club, I'm sure the investigation would have been more thorough...

It's interesting all stakeholders still have differing perspectives on how the outcome needs to be presented, and that it's likely any release will be delayed until after the draft.

It tells me the manufactured outcome doesn't sit well.

[G-Mo77]

I've noticed through social media that Michael is still well liked by our current listed players even after what he did. Now it makes me wonder have we actually overreacted with this? If I was a player on that team in the EF I'd want to punch him in the mouth for it but most of our players don't seem to be phased by what has happened. They either don't care about it which is disappointing or we, the club have overreacted which is also disappointing.

It's all over now anyway but it's interesting seeing all these little things on social media.

[Twodogs]

I've noticed through social media that Michael is still well liked by our current listed players even after what he did. Now it makes me wonder have we actually overreacted with this? If I was a player on that team in the EF I'd want to punch him in the mouth for it but most of our players don't seem to be phased by what has happened. They either don't care about it which is disappointing or we, the club have overreacted which is also disappointing.

It's all over now anyway but it's interesting seeing all these little things on social media.


I saw Bob Murphy on 360 and he didn't look all that relaxed about it,

[GVGjr]

I've noticed through social media that Michael is still well liked by our current listed players even after what he did. Now it makes me wonder have we actually overreacted with this? If I was a player on that team in the EF I'd want to punch him in the mouth for it but most of our players don't seem to be phased by what has happened. They either don't care about it which is disappointing or we, the club have overreacted which is also disappointing.

It's all over now anyway but it's interesting seeing all these little things on social media.

I think there is a trend for younger people to forgive mates. I'll gauge this on how the likes of Murphy and M.Boyd treat him at the end of the game.

[G-Mo77]

I saw Bob Murphy on 360 and he didn't look all that relaxed about it,


I think there is a trend for younger people to forgive mates. I'll gauge this on how the likes of Murphy and M.Boyd treat him at the end of the game.

Maybe it is a generational thing. I'd be fuming if I was one of the players in that team. Doubt I'd be on talking terms for an extremely long time. I still can't help but feel a little disappointed in some of our players being so causal about it.

[jeemak]

I think as an 18-24 year old I put up with poorer behaviour from people I associated with compared to what I was prepared to put up with as a 24-30 year old, and what I am as a 30-36 year old.

Don't read too much into it.

[jazzadogs]

The Dogs players also don't know Cheney...they do know Talia. So unlike Bevo, they are probably more inclined to trust Talia.

[GVGjr]

Worth a read, I think this is way many of us are saying

Read More (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-investigation-into-talia-brothers-has-fallen-into-a-farce-of-negotiated-statements-says-michelangelo-rucci/news-story/583ac1cc63f6ea9c749ebcc62d0c201c)

[LostDoggy]

Great to see someone from the Adelaide media put that article together. A fairly concise summary of the issues at hand. Hopefully some more investigative journalism to come - especially querying the nonsense of negotiated findings and justice.

[Twodogs]

Worth a read, I think this is way many of us are saying

Read More (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-investigation-into-talia-brothers-has-fallen-into-a-farce-of-negotiated-statements-says-michelangelo-rucci/news-story/583ac1cc63f6ea9c749ebcc62d0c201c)

If Rucci takes this up then Adelaide may as well plead guilty now and Michael and Daniel get ready for the poop to hit the fan big time. Rucci doesn't take a back step and he hates the AFL. If I were the integrity unit I would be scared. Very, very scared.

This is about to get real.

[Mofra]

If Rucci takes this up then Adelaide may as well plead guilty now
No, I expect everyone to be cleared about 30 seconds after draft names start being read out to sweep it all under the carpet.

More chance of Liam Jones winning the Coleman than the AFL taking any real action.

[LostDoggy]

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.

[Twodogs]

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.


Well said PP. Sometimes it's worth the physical pain just so that it doesn't eat away at you.

[bornadog]

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.

Unfortunately we have rolled over many times due to pressure from the AFL. Let's see what the current regime do.

[Greystache]

My biggest interest now is less about what the end findings/penalties are or about what actions the AFL takes. It is about our integrity as an organisation and how hard we are willing to fight for everything to come out into the light.

If we roll over just because it's easier in the short term, it's the kind of thing that eats away at an organisation. Key people in our club feel strongly about this. We need to fight the good fight.

It's fine to take that view in isolation, but as with any good dictatorship, there are brutal consequences handed out to anyone who publicly questions authority. This is well known to the clubs, and depending on the individual club's position in the hierarchy, they are applied on an uneven basis. Dictatorships take away people's lives for subordination, the AFL does effectively the same thing by removing opportunities to be financially self-sustainable.

We could take a stand and call out the absurdity of the AFL's findings, just like a reporter could challenge Kim Jon Il's claim he got 9 hole in ones the first time he played golf, but it wouldn't be telling the half intelligent people anything they didn't already know, and retribution would be swift. In North Korea it means death for you and your family, in the AFL for a club like ours it means no prime time fixtures for the next 5 years and 12 Sunday twilight games against interstate teams, which is akin to the same thing.

AFL clubs are prisoners to a dictator, sure some get more freedom than others, but no one is free. And like all dictatorships, the macro economy will inevitably decline, while headquarters boast about the incredible micro economic returns they're generating.

[LostDoggy]

It's fine to take that view in isolation, but as with any good dictatorship, there are brutal consequences handed out to anyone who publicly questions authority. This is well known to the clubs, and depending on the individual club's position in the hierarchy, they are applied on an uneven basis. Dictatorships take away people's lives for subordination, the AFL does effectively the same thing by removing opportunities to be financially self-sustainable.

We could take a stand and call out the absurdity of the AFL's findings, just like a reporter could challenge Kim Jon Il's claim he got 9 hole in ones the first time he played golf, but it wouldn't be telling the half intelligent people anything they didn't already know, and retribution would be swift. In North Korea it means death for you and your family, in the AFL for a club like ours it means no prime time fixtures for the next 5 years and 12 Sunday twilight games against interstate teams, which is akin to the same thing.

AFL clubs are prisoners to a dictator, sure some get more freedom than others, but no one is free. And like all dictatorships, the macro economy will inevitably decline, while headquarters boast about the incredible micro economic returns they're generating.

This is exactly the thought process hollow dictators require. If the clubs believe they are powerless serviles, then that's what they are.

[Remi Moses]

Wow shock horror Michael " lost his phone" and Daniel deleted the message .
Incredible coincidence .
Of course the afl will "negotiate" a well worded end to this saga . They always do

[Greystache]

This is exactly the thought process hollow dictators require. If the clubs believe they are powerless serviles, then that's what they are.

The clubs, especially the weaker clubs, are totally powerless. The power lies with the fans and their feet and wallets.

A club speaking out is about as effective as one man stepping out of place in a crowd and being shot.

[LostDoggy]

The clubs, especially the weaker clubs, are totally powerless. The power lies with the fans and their feet and wallets.

A club speaking out is about as effective as one man stepping out of place in a crowd and being shot.
Just have to agree to disagree I guess. To me, the AFL commission are autocrats employed by the clubs. The power is all perceived. There are occasions when clubs can civilly question hollow authority when decisions are plainly questionable. The perception of powerlessness is the issue that needs to be addressed first.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I sent this to the AFL marketing and communications people:

"Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for your work with our great game. There is an issue challenging the integrity of our great game. Perceived lack of integrity is akin to cancer in that it can take down the mighty, the magnificent, the dastardly and the precious equally. Essendon is nearly a dirty word. Talia threatens. As a Bulldogs member and forum member as well as an AFL fan focus participant, I am open to a lot of cynicism about the AFL's handling of the Talia brothers alleged transfer of sensitive information, the expected cover up and whitewash, as evidenced by the lost mobile phone, the admitted deletion of the relevant message and "Apparently, the case file cannot be closed because the AFL, Bulldogs and Crows - and probably the legal and management teams working on the Talias’ behalf - cannot reach agreement on the wording of the findings and the associated press release.
Surely not. Negotiated findings - and scripted statements?"

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-investigation-into-talia-brothers-has-fallen-into-a-farce-of-negotiated-statements-says-michelangelo-rucci/news-story/583ac1cc63f6ea9c749ebcc62d0c201c

This issue eats at the integrity of the AFL who need to be seen to be addressing it and not just covering it up. On one of the websites there is this image:
(Adelaide Connection's image, but not identified)

The AFL should not be seen to be sweeping the issue under the carpet but rather dealing with the issue of sharing of confidential information between employees of rival clubs/companies. Our great AFL should not suffer because of an employee's misguided transfer of information. The other parties, especially the allegedly offended Western Bulldogs should not have to shoulder the alleged action of Michael Talia.
Integrity must be part of the AFL image, just as the Olympics had to survive the actions of Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong etc..."

Having said that, I do believe it is the AFL who are the party most likely to be adversely affected by all of this, even if they are agents in their own suffering. The Bulldogs will not lose credibility because the whitewash will be seen for what it is. Someone should buy Kyle Cheney a beer, even though he was human enough to shy at the effect his information about Talia's exposure of confidential information would stir up. It is very tough being the bearer of stinky public information.

[LostDoggy]

Love your work BIDS54. Would be fascinated to hear their response.

[Murphy'sLore]

"Thank you for your concern. Rest assured, we have the matter in hand and will deal with it in an appropriate and timely manner in the interest of all stakeholders.

Yours sincerely, etc"

[Drunken Bum]

How's Carro's latest hatchet job? WTF is this crap?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/caroline-wilson-western-bulldogs-and-peter-gordon-went-too-far-with-talia-brothers-invesigation-20151123-gl5lns.html

[Scraggers]

How's Carro's latest hatchet job? WTF is this crap?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/caroline-wilson-western-bulldogs-and-peter-gordon-went-too-far-with-talia-brothers-invesigation-20151123-gl5lns.html

Just read this ... bloody hell, suddenly it's all our fault

[bornadog]

"Thank you for your concern. Rest assured, we have the matter in hand and will deal with it in an appropriate and timely manner in the interest of all stakeholders.

Yours sincerely, etc"

or complete Silence, ie no response.

[Twodogs]

How's Carro's latest hatchet job? WTF is this crap?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/caroline-wilson-western-bulldogs-and-peter-gordon-went-too-far-with-talia-brothers-invesigation-20151123-gl5lns.html


So let me get this straight. Essendon lose some information that can clear them or convict them and they are the bad guys. The Talia's lose some information that can clear them or convict them and we are the bad guys.

That's consistant.

[Drunken Bum]

So let me get this straight. Essendon lose some information that can clear them or convict them and they are the bad guys. The Talia's lose some information that can clear them or convict them and we are the bad guys.

That's consistant.

They absurdity of this whole thing is infuriating, i'm filthy beyond belief at how this has been handled but this crap from Carro is the final straw, it's beyond disgusting.

[WBFC4FFC]

So let me get this straight. Essendon lose some information that can clear them or convict them and they are the bad guys. The Talia's lose some information that can clear them or convict them and we are the bad guys.

That's consistant.

That's the perfect summary.

Deleting Texts! That can easily be retrieved. Why won't Daniel Talia OK such a move, if he is innocent in this?!?!

[BornInDroopSt'54]

I got a prompt reply from Anthony.Stanguts@aflvic.com.au:

"Thanks Gavan for your email.

I have forwarded it to AFL head office."

Watch this space.

[josie]

I got a prompt reply from Anthony.Stanguts@aflvic.com.au:

"Thanks Gavan for your email.

I have forwarded it to AFL head office."

Watch this space.

Good one BornInSroopSt !!

I have sent email to The Age and also sent email of support to the Dogs. Sorry for length. I do hope others contact AFL and The Age and our Club to voice our concerns at the way this situation has panned out and the very poor journalism shown by some...

Hi Peter and Luke and others in our mighty Club,

Just want to send you a copy of feedback I sent to The Age (via editorial feedback) that I just sent to them a moment ago.


There are many Dogs Members and Supporters, based upon WOOF and Big Footy, who think our Club handled this mighty well. Congratulations on a job well done, even if other parties did not handle it as well as perhaps we may have hoped.

I love the planning and positive vibes around our Club at present and a Big Thanks for all the hard yakka.

GO DOGS in 2016 !!

Here's what I sent The Age regarding this article (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/caroline-wilson-western-bulldogs-and-peter-gordon-went-too-far-with-talia-brothers-invesigation-20151123-gl5lns.html?login_token=YKSzgsJuf-kpja4YbAOw4Z0S2Ii-MN9PjLSanyJFNXZd6Rb1iOeiIUor-X3BMY4zRxSTktx-6iRZpe8ymFQTlw&member_token=o2GH_oPtTvUk6zRu_xYF9ZII4iyPIaeiw6tf8o4IopDoJyT _Wyay0ojAS9ot8stv3UEdKE6Z58qCqrdc_XyjuQ&expiry=1479885425):

"Article by Caroline Wilson on AFl/Talia brother investigation is IMO very poor journalism. Smacks of someone who does not like the Dogs as a Club, nor their President.

Where is Caroline's evidence that the Club and P.Gordon went too far? If the Club had not reported the suspicions after they were advised of by others then what integrity would the Club have then? Would Caroline have said anything in this hypothetical scenario, as would any journalist who purports to be objective? If that's the case what is the difference (damned if you do, damned if you don't)?

Does Caroline recall one or two Collingwood players being fined for letting out small amounts of info. about injuries or such minor info. to a relative a few years ago? Clearly AFL made a clear stance on integrity back then and on this basis the Dogs had no choice but to report it to the AFL asap.


I usually very much respect Caroline as a reasonable journalist. However I strongly believe she is way off the mark with this article and if anything she should apologise to the Dogs and P.Gordon for her clear bias and lack of evidence.


Here is a much better balanced article - I hope Caroline reads this one:
http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/a...chelangelo-rucci/story-fnia3gpe-1227619010338

The AFL, if they are serious about integrity of the game could retrieve deleted messages. One phone lost, the other has had messages deleted. Perhaps it is rather fanciful this is co-incidence and even if it is co-incidence I think the Dogs did everything right. If not what this means is Clubs are likely to hide or ignore such suspicions or knowledge of tip offs etc. in the future -and where is the integrity in that?

From a long time Age Reader & Subscriber and avid (and objective) Passionate Dogs Member"

[Twodogs]

If we had ignored this and quietly cleared Talia then Wilson and her ilk would have (quite rightly) been saying that we swept it under the carpet and the police should have been notified straight away, Gordon is a lawyer he should know better, blah blah.

[F'scary]

Wilson's article is outrageous and her opinion of our management's actions flies egregiously in the face of the facts of the case.

We must use this as a motivating force in season 2016

[bulldogtragic]

Meh. Wilson is in the business of getting tightly held info and she's burned up AFL relationships going Essendon. So she needs to curry up some favours and goes and does the AFL bidding on this issue. All that has happened is that any credibility she once had as a stoic independent journo unaffected by the dumbing down of the AFL media is gone. She's now firmly a part of the problem of dumbed down footy journo culture. Which is a shame for her legacy, but that's for her to live with as a now sold out hypocrite. Remember the old saying about one days newspaper is the next day's kitty litter liner. I'd say this will line my cats kitty litter tray tomorrow, but there's no way at all that my cats arse would respect that column from Caro enough to even shit on. So I'll just put it in the bin.

[LostDoggy]

How's Carro's latest hatchet job? WTF is this crap?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/caroline-wilson-western-bulldogs-and-peter-gordon-went-too-far-with-talia-brothers-invesigation-20151123-gl5lns.html

Talk about as Dumb as Dog Shit.

"Look Gillam now that I finally managed to push that old slug Demetriou into an early retirement with all my anti AFL and Essendumb supplements saga stories for you so you could take his place as the Head Honcho,
You can be rest assured that I am firmly in your corner and will always support whatever
steam pile you and your cronnies @ AFL HQ want to trot out to the gullable supporter through my incisive,informative,high quality journalistic reporting.:confused:
I mean after all you are so much younger and better looking then the Slug :p"

"Thanks Carro,I can always trust you to DO THE RIGHT THING!!"

Appologies to Spike Lee :rolleyes:

[Sedat]

Meh. Wilson is in the business of getting tightly held info and she's burned up AFL relationships going Essendon. So she needs to curry up some favours and goes and does the AFL bidding on this issue. All that has happened is that any credibility she once had as a stoic independent journo unaffected by the dumbing down of the AFL media is gone. She's now firmly a part of the problem of dumbed down footy journo culture. Which is a shame for her legacy, but that's for her to live with as a now sold out hypocrite. Remember the old saying about one days newspaper is the next day's kitty litter liner. I'd say this will line my cats kitty litter tray tomorrow, but there's no way at all that my cats arse would respect that column from Caro enough to even shit on. So I'll just put it in the bin.
Caro is the unofficial mouthpiece of the AFL out in scribe land. She will always take the perspective of City Hall over any other aggrieved party.

The reality is that integrity is a movable commodity in the AFL - the AFL know what took place between the Talia's but are not interested in considering the ramifications of their actions on gambling agencies, their fastest-growing source of revenue.

[bornadog]

Caro is the unofficial mouthpiece of the AFL out in scribe land. She will always take the perspective of City Hall over any other aggrieved party.

The reality is that integrity is a movable commodity in the AFL - the AFL know what took place between the Talia's but are not interested in considering the ramifications of their actions on gambling agencies, their fastest-growing source of revenue.

Yep, they make it up as they go along. Just look at the Carlisle situation. Two weeks earlier they introduce a brand new policy on drugs and then change it completely when it comes to Carlisle's indiscretion.

The whole process with Tellia (thanks for that redders70 :D) is a farce of the highest order.

[LostDoggy]

Yep, they make it up as they go along. Just look at the Carlisle situation. Two weeks earlier they introduce a brand new policy on drugs and then change it completely when it comes to Carlisle's indiscretion.

The whole process with Tellia (thanks for that redders70 :D) is a farce of the highest order.

No worries B,
Anytime ;)

[Testekill]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-25/cheney-cops-conduct-warning-over-talia-claims

What a debacle. Cheney cops a warning for "lying" to an integrity investigation for two months(which would make you lose your job in the real world), the Talias get off for there not being any evidence even though Daniel Talia admitted to deleting text messages that he had recieved from his brother and we get painted as the villains in all of this.

[GVGjr]

I agree, however, if what Cheney is alleged to be now saying is true he should be heavily fined, not just warned. We lost a player that we invested a lot of energy into. Perhaps the AFL should give us a compensation pick.

If I was Adelaide and had the integrity of my best defender questioned because a marginal team mate didn't come clean with information I'd be getting rid of that player or at the very least standing him down for a while. He exhibited little to know regard for his team mate and can't be trusted.

That would be the least I would do. To not do something indicates something a weak club or the more likely scenario that Cheney has been asked to take one for the team Joe the camera man style.

[GVGjr]

Why wouldn't the AFL demand that the Talia's tell their telco companies to make the content of their calls and text messages during that one week period available for them to clear their names? The AFL can't claim there is no evidence if they haven't requested that information. If the brothers have said no then make that clear why there isn't enough evidence.

[comrade]

Why wouldn't the AFL demand that the Talia's tell their telco companies to make the content of their calls and text messages during that one week period available for them to clear their names? The AFL can't claim there is no evidence if they haven't requested that information. If the brothers have said no then make that clear why there isn't enough evidence.

The AFL just wants this to go away.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Meanwhile, somewhere in Sydney...

706

[F'scary]

If I was Adelaide and had the integrity of my best defender questioned because a marginal team mate didn't come clean with information I'd be getting rid of that player or at the very least standing him down for a while. He exhibited little to know regard for his team mate and can't be trusted.

That would be the least I would do. To not do something indicates something a weak club or the more likely scenario that Cheney has been asked to take one for the team Joe the camera man style.

The clincher. Adelaide's response is not consistent with what Cheney is now saying he did. But it is with the Joe the Cameraman explanation.

[GVGjr]

The AFL just wants this to go away.

Exactly. The AFL are trying to look like they have done a thorough investigation when they haven't gone hard enough to get all the evidence they could. I could understand why the brothers might not want to make those messages available but the AFL should at least call that out in their statement.

If the brothers really want to clear their names because they have nothing to hide there is an avenue available.

[F'scary]

Another inconsistency: you would think the Talias would be publicly aggrieved by Cheney's behaviour. For 2 months, if he is to be believed, he lied about their actions in the most defamatory manner, causing them signficant loss of reputation, stress of being investigated and publically pilloried, cost one of them his job and what do the Talias say or do? Nothing.

[GVGjr]

Another inconsistency: you would think the Talias would be publicly aggrieved by Cheney's behaviour. For 2 months, if he is to be believed, he lied about their actions in the most defamatory manner, causing them signficant loss of reputation, stress of being investigated and publically pilloried, cost one of them his job and what do the Talias say or do? Nothing.

The Crows should also be demanding a bigger punishment for Cheney. He's taken the better part of 6 weeks or more to clear a a team mate.

[F'scary]

The Crows should also be demanding a bigger punishment for Cheney. He's taken the better part of 6 weeks or more to clear a a team mate.

I am now convinced that what was alleged in the first place, really happened. A case of the cover-up backfiring.

[Bulldog Joe]

The AFL have finalised their position and I am sure Peter Gordon and others have expressed their feelings on the matter.

We do need to get on with life and perhaps use it as motivation to be better in 2016. We cannot now waste energy on things that will not provide any benefit.

[GVGjr]

The AFL have finalised their position and I am sure Peter Gordon and others have expressed their feelings on the matter.

We do need to get on with life and perhaps use it as motivation to be better in 2016. We cannot now waste energy on things that will not provide any benefit.

I'm not so sure, the clubs members can't be sold a lemon after a long investigation and be expected to smile about it.
Is there more that can be done? probably not but the AFL needs to hear that people aren't buying the rubbish they are selling us.

The club probably has to get on with things but I'd love someone in the media to really go after the AFL and question the standards of the investigation. It's seriously flawed to expect members to accept a warning to Cheney by the AFL and no sanction by the Crows if he has held his lie for so long.

[Bulldog Joe]

I'm not so sure, the clubs members can't be sold a lemon after a long investigation and be expected to smile about it.
Is there more that can be done? probably not but the AFL needs to hear that people aren't buying the rubbish they are selling us.

The club probably has to get on with things but I'd love someone in the media to really go after the AFL and question the standards of the investigation. It's seriously flawed to expect members to accept a warning to Cheney by the AFL and no sanction by the Crows if he has held his lie for so long.

I don't disagree, but it doesn't seem that the media are too interested. The disgraceful effort from Caroline Wilson highlighting how much, she at least, is prepared to promote the AFL line.

[NoseBleed]

Apparently he left his phone in his boogie board bag, and it got lost in Bali customs. He's got a statement from some chick called S.Corby backing him up that it happens all the time.

[jeemak]

Check out the extremely terse response to this outcome on the Dogs web page.

I think we think this is ridiculous.

[LostDoggy]

The AFL have finalised their position and I am sure Peter Gordon and others have expressed their feelings on the matter.

We do need to get on with life and perhaps use it as motivation to be better in 2016. We cannot now waste energy on things that will not provide any benefit.

It's true the club needs to move on and direct its energies into productive matters.

Not true for us fans though. We can chip away at this carcass for years.

[always right]

The list of people to boo onfield is starting to get rediculous.

[LostDoggy]

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2015-11-26/club-statement-response-to-afl-findings

Hopefully this gets the ball rolling on some media to look into this further and call out the AFL.




The Western Bulldogs have reviewed the findings of the AFL investigation handed down yesterday in relation to the matter referred to it by the Club concerning the possible leaking of game-sensitive information.

As a Club we are troubled by certain aspects of the AFL investigation. However, our responsibility has been to ensure that our Club complied with our fundamental values and obligations and we are satisfied that we have done so. We note the relevant finding of the AFL in relation to this point.

We wish to acknowledge the advice and assistance of the Chair of our Ethics and Integrity Sub-Committee Graham Sherry throughout this matter. The Club consulted him at all relevant times and acted in accordance with his and other independent expert legal and ethical advice.

We believe we have done what we were obliged to do on behalf of our Club, players and members and fans and we now intend to continue to concentrate on the upcoming season.

[jeemak]

It's telling that we're hammering home the fact we have an ethics sub-committee that was repeatedly consulted.

There's certainly significant ill feeling towards the implausible findings of City Hall.

[LostDoggy]

It's telling that we're hammering home the fact we have an ethics sub-committee that was repeatedly consulted.

There's certainly significant ill feeling towards the implausible findings of City Hall.
Not just the findings, but the manner of the investigation also it seems.

Really hope someone in the media pursues this.

Suspect Kyle Cheney will have a real good story to tell one day.

[Bulldog Joe]

Not just the findings, but the manner of the investigation also it seems.

Really hope someone in the media pursues this.

Suspect Kyle Cheney will have a real good story to tell one day.

I want to be at the sportsman night where he answers the question.

[Axe Man]

I want to be at the sportsman night where he answers the question.

Pretty sorry excuse for a sportsmans night if Kyle Cheney is featured!

I'm actually going to a lunch/long boozey afternoon session featuring Wayne Carey tomorrow put on by my footy club. I will be waiting expectantly to see if anyone dares ask any Kelly/Anthony Stevens related questions.

[LostDoggy]

Another little hole:

M.Talia, through Pickering, was complaining that Bevo didn't contact him at all whilst in Bali while a lot of this went down, yet now claims he lost his phone while there? Pretty weird to be expecting a call on your lost phone. Was Bevo meant to contact him by telegram?

[Twodogs]

Another little hole:

M.Talia, through Pickering, was complaining that Bevo didn't contact him at all whilst in Bali while a lot of this went down, yet now claims he lost his phone while there? Pretty weird to be expecting a call on your lost phone. Was Bevo meant to contact him by telegram?

Yeah. Na. Umm.

Good thanks.

[Twodogs]

It's telling that we're hammering home the fact we have an ethics sub-committee that was repeatedly consulted.

There's certainly significant ill feeling towards the implausible findings of City Hall.


Don't forget the Integrity* part as well.









*it seems the AFL did.

[Bulldog Joe]

Another little hole:

M.Talia, through Pickering, was complaining that Bevo didn't contact him at all whilst in Bali while a lot of this went down, yet now claims he lost his phone while there? Pretty weird to be expecting a call on your lost phone. Was Bevo meant to contact him by telegram?

Surely someone of Bevo's communication skill would only need telepathy :o

[LostDoggy]

Another little hole:

M.Talia, through Pickering, was complaining that Bevo didn't contact him at all whilst in Bali while a lot of this went down, yet now claims he lost his phone while there? Pretty weird to be expecting a call on your lost phone. Was Bevo meant to contact him by telegram?

Smoke signals and Jungle drums. ;)

[Greystache]

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2015-11-26/club-statement-response-to-afl-findings

Hopefully this gets the ball rolling on some media to look into this further and call out the AFL.




The Western Bulldogs have reviewed the findings of the AFL investigation handed down yesterday in relation to the matter referred to it by the Club concerning the possible leaking of game-sensitive information.

As a Club we are troubled by certain aspects of the AFL investigation. However, our responsibility has been to ensure that our Club complied with our fundamental values and obligations and we are satisfied that we have done so. We note the relevant finding of the AFL in relation to this point.

We wish to acknowledge the advice and assistance of the Chair of our Ethics and Integrity Sub-Committee Graham Sherry throughout this matter. The Club consulted him at all relevant times and acted in accordance with his and other independent expert legal and ethical advice.

We believe we have done what we were obliged to do on behalf of our Club, players and members and fans and we now intend to continue to concentrate on the upcoming season.

The fact the AFL investigation willfully chose to exclude the evidence of potential wrong doing would be right up there!

[Drunken Bum]

I'm really happy that the club made it clear they were unhappy with the decision instead of just laying down and accepting it, while not kicking up TOO much of a stink that would have got us nowhere, very professional. i really love the way the club is being handled these days and that we're not going to stand for being pushed around just because we're a "small" club anymore, we've come a long way.
It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

[SonofScray]

Not completely satisfied with the Club's response but want to acknowledge it is reasonably brave given the AFL is a power unto itself and the media are not prepared to dig, and we will undoubtedly get the heat because thats what Australian's do, we shoot the whistleblower.

[GVGjr]

Not just the findings, but the manner of the investigation also it seems.

Really hope someone in the media pursues this.

Suspect Kyle Cheney will have a real good story to tell one day.

The Harry Houdini of footy. How he has escaped a sanction is one of a true escape artist.
Based on the findings of the AFL's crack integrity unit if I was Daniel Talia I would have punched Cheney on the nose for not stepping forward sooner and manning up. I'd be mighty PO if my reputation was tarnished because a team mate didn't come forward for weeks and tell the truth.

Well done to the Crows Admin for not passing on a sanction of their own. Speaks volumes for their player management and welfare process.

[The bulldog tragician]

What a sham. Anyone accused of something so serious who is completely innocent would have taken every step possible to ensure their name was cleared, including authorising the retrieval of messages. It really defies belief. I naively thought the AFL would try and at least to SEEM to be conducting a thorough investigation, but this is so lame it's like they are doing a nudge nudge wink wink to the footy world and our club in particular. We shouldn't be surprised but I still am.

[SonofScray]

I am going to make a small, anti-afl / corruption banner to take to the footy each week next season.

I am also going to boo and hiss and boo some more if Talia ever plays against us. A bucket of dead rats will be dumped on him as he runs out from the race.

[bulldogtragic]

I have complete faith in Bevo on this. Therefore the entire clubs handling of it.

I remember charging two persons for alleged theft/burglary. They were allegedly seen in the shed by three witnesses in a house. I arrested them out the front and located items allegedly stolen nearby. This was the easiest case. A Magistrate hunted down a reason to find not guilty and every single person was shocked, lawyers, police, alleged theives included. I guess my point is this, a determination or finding doesn't make the truth of a matter any different, nor can it make factual events change. It's merely an opinion of which any person can feel free to read into. Whatever the AFL or Caro says is actually inconsequential to our club to what really happened as fact or truth. We all move on knowing what the truth and facts are, and the AFL loses even more credibility with a non finding. So be it.

[jeemak]

I take your point and I guess it would be ok to be philosophical about the duplicity of the AFL if it wasn't that very trait that seems to disadvantage our club repeatedly.

[bulldogtragic]

I take your point and I guess it would be ok to be philosophical about the duplicity of the AFL if it wasn't that very trait that seems to disadvantage our club repeatedly.

True. So true. I'm just thinking in isolation on this. Bevo is completely satisfied this happened and I accept this as the facts and truth when considered against everything else too. Truth, fact, actuality and a mature, responsible and moral response. In this instance I'm comforted more by this with our club than an organisation that is bankrupt of maturity, responsibility and morality that wilfully ignores truth, fact and actuality.

[hujsh]

I guess the bright side is it was Talia. Imagine if it was someone really good

[bulldogtragic]

I guess the bright side is it was Talia. Imagine if it was someone really good

And clearly he's dumb for many reasons. Bevo last night was talking about the complexity of many gameplans he has for the boys In a general sense and the critiques on Fox Footy this year on Tahleeya show he clearly was unable to understand what all our other players could understand. He's dumbness climaxing with this. He's not that great as you say, but if Sydney move to complex zoning defences then Talia offers less for them in such a set up than an inanimate carbon rod.

[comrade]

IN: Collins
OUT: Talia

Our list has already improved.

[jeemak]

And clearly he's dumb for many reasons. Bevo last night was talking about the complexity of many gameplans he has for the boys In a general sense and the critiques on Fox Footy this year on Tahleeya show he clearly was unable to understand what all our other players could understand. He's dumbness climaxing with this. He's not that great as you say, but if Sydney move to complex zoning defences then Talia offers less for them in such a set up than an inanimate carbon rod.

As bad as this situation is I won't hear a bad word about the rod. Too far.

[always right]

TBH...I'm over the whole thing and ready to focus on our bright future. Just disappointed that someone with a family tie to the club has departed in less than ideal circumstances.

[Greystache]

As bad as this situation is I won't hear a bad word about the rod. Too far.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMXLI0qMNTZUn6bcNd6btg1I2l804fjGlx8G1dJ2W hjx4BEI8mNc5mdgRT

[bornadog]

Former Bulldog Michael Talia relieved to be cleared by AFL investigation (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-bulldog-michael-talia-relieved-to-be-cleared-by-afl-investigation-20151126-gl9bs6.html)

Former Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia is a relieved man after the AFL cleared him of leaking sensitive information from the club, but says he always knew he had not done anything wrong.

Talia left the Bulldogs for Sydney following the club's elimination-final loss to Adelaide in September, and the Footscray-based side asked the AFL to investigate allegations that Talia leaked information to his brother Daniel, who plays for the Crows.

The league's integrity unit cleared Talia of any wrongdoing on Wednesday, following a lengthy investigation.

"I was always confident I hadn't done anything wrong," Talia told News Corp Australia.

"I've adamantly denied any wrongdoing the whole time.

"The investigation came to that conclusion as well. It's a massive relief it's over and now I can look forward to pre-season training."

Revelations of the leak came about after Adelaide defender Kyle Cheney made a numerous remarks suggesting sensitive information had been shared between the brothers.

Cheney has been issued an official warning from the AFL for the comments, however Talia also spoke in support of the 26-year-old.

"I've spoken to Daniel about Kyle and he told me he's a really good kid," Michael Talia said.

[Mofra]

IN: Collins
OUT: Talia

Our list has already improved.
OUT: Talia

It was already improved. Collins is just icing ;)

[Testekill]

ADELAIDE defender Kyle Cheney phoned Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge four days after the clubs’ elimination final on September 12 to discuss the alleged leaking of “game-sensitive” information by the Talia brothers.

The revelation that it was Cheney, not Beveridge, that initiated contact was not included in the AFL’s summary of findings into the Talia investigation released on Wednesday.

Two days after they reach a conclusion and already it stinks even worse.

[bornadog]

ADELAIDE defender Kyle Cheney phoned Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge four days after the clubs’ elimination final on September 12 to discuss the alleged leaking of “game-sensitive” information by the Talia brothers.

The revelation that it was Cheney, not Beveridge, that initiated contact was not included in the AFL’s summary of findings into the Talia investigation released on Wednesday.

Two days after they reach a conclusion and already it stinks even worse.

Gets better and better

[Murphy'sLore]

Right. So Cheney rang Beveridge to share the 'joke', did he? Makes perfect sense… not.

[LostDoggy]

I'm pretty much over it and Tellia's immoral and petulant behaviour.
He's gone,good riddance flog.
I go on with life as if he never played for us.

[Testekill]

And it turns out that Josh Gibson was the other Hawthorn player that informed Beveridge about what Cheney had told Stratton.

[jeemak]

And it turns out that Josh Gibson was the other Hawthorn player that informed Beveridge about what Cheney had told Stratton.

This Cheney fellow must do an Elliot Goblet worthy dead pan.

[Scraggers]

So am I allowed to boo :-
a) Talia
b) Cheney

????

[Drunken Bum]

Apparently the writer of this Mick Warner lost his AFEL accreditation a while ago, not sure when. go get em brother :)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/josh-gibson-tipped-off-western-bulldogs-about-alleged-information-sharing-between-michael-and-daniel-talia/news-story/2cc71c60222dbc8b5ee48d388220a9dd&memtype=anonymous



Josh Gibson tipped off Western Bulldogs about alleged information sharing between Michael and Daniel Talia

THREE-time premiership star Josh Gibson was the first Hawthorn player to tip-off Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge about the alleged leaking of “game-sensitive” information by Michael and Daniel Talia.

It emerged on Friday Gibson phoned Beveridge on Monday, September 14 — two days after the Dogs’ seven-point elimination final loss to Adelaide at the MCG — to inform him of allegations made by Crows defender Kyle Cheney.

A concerned Gibson made the call to Beveridge after discussing the claims with teammate Ben Stratton, who had spoken to Cheney on the morning after the Bulldogs-Crows final on September 12.

Gibson and Stratton had become friends with Beveridge during his days as an assistant coach at the Hawks and felt obligated to pass on what they had heard.

After another conversation with Stratton, Cheney called Beveridge on September 14 to discuss his allegation that Crows defender Daniel Talia had received tactical details from his brother, Dogs defender Michael Talia, before the match.

As revealed in Friday’s Herald Sun, Cheney did not tell Beveridge that he was joking about the allegation during that phone call or during a second conversation on September 17.

[​IMG]
Beveridge, a former staffer with financial intelligence agency AUSTRAC, was interviewed by the AFL integrity unit about his recollections of his conversations with Cheney, Stratton and Gibson.

The Bulldogs coach and club bosses are believed to be deeply disappointed by the outcome of the AFL investigation, which found that Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

The AFL’s summary of findings concluded that Cheney was “in shock on both occasions that he spoke to Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge and was too embarrassed to explain what had occurred”.

It was revealed text messages had been deleted from Daniel Talia’s phone, while Michael Talia lost his phone on an end-of-season trip to Bali.

The league said it had opted not to use its powers to obtain the deleted text messages via Daniel Talia’s mobile phone provider.

“The AFL is very satisfied with the evidence and outcome of the investigation. There was no need to further investigate,” a league spokesperson said.

Hawthorn declined to comment on the roles played by Gibson and Stratton in the Talia saga which took 63 days to investigate and tested 16 witnesses.


BARKING MAD

How the Talia tip-off unfolded:

September 12: Adelaide defeat the Western Bulldogs by seven points in the second elimination final at the MCG.

September 13: Crows defender Kyle Cheney tells friend and Hawthorn rival Ben Stratton about the use of “game-sensitive” information in the previous night’s final provided to Adelaide’s Daniel Talia from his brother, Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia.

September 14: Hawthorn defender Josh Gibson calls Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge after speaking to Stratton and informs him of Cheney’s comments.

September 16: Beveridge speaks to Stratton, Cheney calls Beveridge and Cheney speaks to Crows football boss David Noble.

September 17: Beveridge calls Cheney and for a second time the Adelaide defender did not say he was joking.

September 22: The Bulldogs formally ask the AFL to investigate.

October 22: Michael Talia is traded from the Bulldogs to Sydney.

November 25: After a 63-day investigation the AFL releases its summary of findings, declaring Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

November 26: The Bulldogs release a statement saying they are “troubled by certain aspects” of the AFL’s investigation.

[LostDoggy]

Apparently the writer of this Mick Warner has already lost his AFEL accreditation, go get em brother :)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/josh-gibson-tipped-off-western-bulldogs-about-alleged-information-sharing-between-michael-and-daniel-talia/news-story/2cc71c60222dbc8b5ee48d388220a9dd&memtype=anonymous



Josh Gibson tipped off Western Bulldogs about alleged information sharing between Michael and Daniel Talia

THREE-time premiership star Josh Gibson was the first Hawthorn player to tip-off Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge about the alleged leaking of “game-sensitive” information by Michael and Daniel Talia.

It emerged on Friday Gibson phoned Beveridge on Monday, September 14 — two days after the Dogs’ seven-point elimination final loss to Adelaide at the MCG — to inform him of allegations made by Crows defender Kyle Cheney.

A concerned Gibson made the call to Beveridge after discussing the claims with teammate Ben Stratton, who had spoken to Cheney on the morning after the Bulldogs-Crows final on September 12.

Gibson and Stratton had become friends with Beveridge during his days as an assistant coach at the Hawks and felt obligated to pass on what they had heard.

After another conversation with Stratton, Cheney called Beveridge on September 14 to discuss his allegation that Crows defender Daniel Talia had received tactical details from his brother, Dogs defender Michael Talia, before the match.

As revealed in Friday’s Herald Sun, Cheney did not tell Beveridge that he was joking about the allegation during that phone call or during a second conversation on September 17.

[​IMG]
Beveridge, a former staffer with financial intelligence agency AUSTRAC, was interviewed by the AFL integrity unit about his recollections of his conversations with Cheney, Stratton and Gibson.

The Bulldogs coach and club bosses are believed to be deeply disappointed by the outcome of the AFL investigation, which found that Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

The AFL’s summary of findings concluded that Cheney was “in shock on both occasions that he spoke to Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge and was too embarrassed to explain what had occurred”.

It was revealed text messages had been deleted from Daniel Talia’s phone, while Michael Talia lost his phone on an end-of-season trip to Bali.

The league said it had opted not to use its powers to obtain the deleted text messages via Daniel Talia’s mobile phone provider.

“The AFL is very satisfied with the evidence and outcome of the investigation. There was no need to further investigate,” a league spokesperson said.

Hawthorn declined to comment on the roles played by Gibson and Stratton in the Talia saga which took 63 days to investigate and tested 16 witnesses.


BARKING MAD

How the Talia tip-off unfolded:

September 12: Adelaide defeat the Western Bulldogs by seven points in the second elimination final at the MCG.

September 13: Crows defender Kyle Cheney tells friend and Hawthorn rival Ben Stratton about the use of “game-sensitive” information in the previous night’s final provided to Adelaide’s Daniel Talia from his brother, Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia.

September 14: Hawthorn defender Josh Gibson calls Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge after speaking to Stratton and informs him of Cheney’s comments.

September 16: Beveridge speaks to Stratton, Cheney calls Beveridge and Cheney speaks to Crows football boss David Noble.

September 17: Beveridge calls Cheney and for a second time the Adelaide defender did not say he was joking.

September 22: The Bulldogs formally ask the AFL to investigate.

October 22: Michael Talia is traded from the Bulldogs to Sydney.

November 25: After a 63-day investigation the AFL releases its summary of findings, declaring Cheney had “inappropriately joked” about the use of inside information.

November 26: The Bulldogs release a statement saying they are “troubled by certain aspects” of the AFL’s investigation.

FFS. Beyond absurd.

[Drunken Bum]

FFS. Beyond absurd.

Sorry I didn't mean he lost it over this story, edited my original post in case it was be taken that way.
On a side note it's ridiculous that they can accredit reporters and deny access to non-accredited ones, the AFEL's own little propoganda machine, makes me sick

[bulldogtragic]

Einstein once declared if the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. The Einsteins running the AFL don't understand the subtle context in which he made that declaration.

Think about it like this. You're out past midnight and your friend or person you're chatting to is boasting about their wealth, sex life or social networks etc. They're clearly lying through their teeth. Everyone knows it's BS, including them. But you don't get angry, it's pointless, so you do quite the opposite. You let them make a fool of themselves by continuing to let them keep digging that embarassing hole because the entire world knows it's BS. They get so busy huffing up, making themselves look like a bigger tool and start using a lie to cover another lie and their embarrassment (whether they feel it or not) is reward enough to not get angry or argue. The satisfaction that they're a dickhead and anyone with a half a brain knows it too is enough. In this example, the AFL and anyone sprouting their lines are the dickheads because even lobotomised lab rats don't accept the findings. Take solace in it. What would've a two match suspension or $5000 fine to Tahleeya for a small finding of guilt this week changed about the course of action we took 2 months ago? Nothing is the answer.

If you want to do something, email Bevo and PG at the club a one line email telling them you respect and back them and their actions and thank them for it. I'm sure they'd appreciate that most of all.

[bulldogtragic]

Sorry I didn't mean he lost it over this story, edited my original post in case it was be taken that way.
On a side note it's ridiculous that they can accredit reporters and deny access to non-accredited ones, the AFEL's own little propoganda machine, makes me sick

If you take the mass murder out of the analogy, this exact behaviour worked very well for Joseph Goebels.

[Pickenitup]

This is a absolute Joke how can the AFL let them get away with this

[BornInDroopSt'54]

This is a absolute Joke how can the AFL let them get away with this

You mean how can they let the AFL get away with this.

[jeemak]

Sorry, was that article above a genuine piss take or a genuine article?

If it's the latter, I think we're in for a big week. Now the draft and rookie draft's are over and done with, I think this story will receive a little bit more attention.

Let's look at some key points:

- The AFL takes two months to investigate the claims
- The AFL buckles under concern from all parties and doesn't release the findings four days out from the National Draft
- The AFL releases its findings the day after the draft
- The AFL subsequent to its findings, has multiple news agencies advising its findings are bogus
- The AFL.............what's next? It's only day three from the initial publication of the initial findings

Grab the popcorn folks, this one's growing legs. I'd hate to be the low level lackey taking the fall for this once it's all said and done.

[LostDoggy]

So during the conversations between Bevo and Cheney, there are three options for what could have been discussed in my opinion:

1. Cheney admits that he told Stratton that the Talia's exchanged info.
2. Cheney admits that he did tell Stratton that the Talia's exchanged info but was only joking.
3. Cheney tells Bevo that the conversation with Stratton didn't even happen.

Pretty fair to say that option 2 did not occur and you could rightly assume that option 3 didn't occur either. My guess is that Cheney made a bad judgement call in telling somebody he thought would keep it to himself.

[LostDoggy]

So far 2 journos have indicated they are prepared to probe a little rather than tow the company line, Rucci and Warner, will be interesting to see who else is prepared to stick their necks out. They must all smell a rat.

[Twodogs]

Sorry, was that article above a genuine piss take or a genuine article?

If it's the latter, I think we're in for a big week. Now the draft and rookie draft's are over and done with, I think this story will receive a little bit more attention.

Let's look at some key points:

- The AFL takes two months to investigate the claims
- The AFL buckles under concern from all parties and doesn't release the findings four days out from the National Draft
- The AFL releases its findings the day after the draft
- The AFL subsequent to its findings, has multiple news agencies advising its findings are bogus
- The AFL.............what's next? It's only day three from the initial publication of the initial findings

Grab the popcorn folks, this one's growing legs. I'd hate to be the low level lackey taking the fall for this once it's all said and done.

The way the AFL subtly lurch from one pole to another thinking they are reacting to public opinion I wouldn't be suprised if a burning at the stake in the middle of Etihad (or the MCG depending on ticket sales) is their solution.

[KT31]

This whole saga is getting beyond belief, when are the AFL going to learn to stop treating supporters like imbeciles and start telling the truth ?
I cannot believe they have the power to look at both players texts messages and possibly clear the whole matter up and choose not to.

[Webby]

Michael Warner's article in today's Hun hits the mark quite well. He neatly lays the obvious on the table for all to see. Cheney comes out looking like a spud at best and the reader is left asking the obvious question as to why the sms messages of the Talias weren't checked. Neatly infers cover up and "brand protection."

Nice job Michael Warner.

I'm one of the few people around who actually quite like Caroline Wilson. Just for the fact that she's not just another sycophant and is prepared to call the AFL out. She's let herself down badly in this one. It's a pity.

[bornadog]

I cannot believe they have the power to look at both players texts messages and possibly clear the whole matter up and choose not to.

Even if they don't have the power, surely if the Talia brothers think they did nothing wrong, they would give the AFL the power to check with the Telco.

[Twodogs]

This whole saga is getting beyond belief, when are the AFL going to learn to stop treating supporters like imbeciles and start telling the truth ?
I cannot believe they have the power to look at both players texts messages and possibly clear the whole matter up and choose not to.

it depends on whether they want the truth to come out or they are happy hiding behind the murky set of "facts" because it suits their purposes. If they are happy to let this fester and watch their brand get more and more trashed then the obvious question is how bad is the real story?

If I were innocent then I would be doing everything possible to get those messages into the public domain in order to clear my name. I wouldn't be relying on the AFL to clear my name. They have already thrown Cheney under the bus. I'd be getting clear of the bus.

[F'scary]

Michael Warner's article in today's Hun hits the mark quite well. He neatly lays the obvious on the table for all to see. Cheney comes out looking like a spud at best and the reader is left asking the obvious question as to why the sms messages of the Talias weren't checked. Neatly infers cover up and "brand protection."

Nice job Michael Warner.

I'm one of the few people around who actually quite like Caroline Wilson. Just for the fact that she's not just another sycophant and is prepared to call the AFL out. She's let herself down badly in this one. It's a pity.

I have time for Wilson's articles. I am wondering if she has taken the perspective the devil's advocate. If the official findings are true, then the conclusion must be that we are the villains. Her article has probably encouraged a closer look at the verdict and the evidence by others and steeled our resolve not to take the decision in silence.

[Twodogs]

I have time for Wilson's articles. I am wondering if she has taken the perspective the devil's advocate. If the official findings are true, then the conclusion must be that we are the villains. Her article has probably encouraged a closer look at the verdict and the evidence by others and steeled our resolve not to take the decision in silence.


Maybe she did. Or she could have read the tea leaves completely wrong in her rush to judgement.

I know which one I think it is.

[LostDoggy]

I'm hearing AFL is to be investigated over its handling of this affair by an arm of the government. Anyone heard anything?

[bulldogtragic]

I'm hearing AFL is to be investigated over its handling of this affair by an arm of the government. Anyone heard anything?

What arm? It's a confusing proposition as the AFL, NRL, NBL etc are all free to be as incompetent as they like. And they're all pretty good at being incompetent.

[Maddog37]

I'm hearing AFL is to be investigated over its handling of this affair by an arm of the government. Anyone heard anything?

The gambling folk.

[LostDoggy]

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation is launching it's own investigation and is mightily pissed at the AFL.

Oh happy day.

[LostDoggy]

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation is launching it's own investigation and is mightily pissed at the AFL.

Oh happy day.

Correction: Is considering launching it's own investigation. Plenty going on behind the scenes.

[LostDoggy]

Apparently Mick Warner has got an article coming out in the Herald Sun. My new favourite journo, is running hard on this with a couple of strong articles and was demoted at the Hun last year for getting into a fist fight with Robbo. Good credentials all round.

[bulldogtragic]

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation is launching it's own investigation and is mightily pissed at the AFL.

Oh happy day.

They can look at the facts but not the AFL per se. But if they find anything however, then anyone from AFL House with their finger prints on the file will have their careers ended.

What they should be doing is starting a taskforce with VicPol and SAPol and investigating widely around the family and friends around the Talia's. This was one of the first comments I made when this surfaced. If odds changed, plunges had, moves in markets or associates got even $1 then it's a big issue. I don't want to tell them what to do...

Ask the AFL for the full investigation, including all witness statements and all exhibits.
Offer immunity or reduced sanctions to witnesses coming forward who may have committed my offences or been dishonest to date.
The AFL have confirmed texts were sent. Get warrants for the text and phone records from both Tahleeya's providers.
Also look for phone and email activity from them both within a week of them being aware WBFC were reporting it. (The real kicker)
Get all free moving odds from every book maker for the week of the elim final if not already in their possession.
Timeline all movement in odds and bets against all calls and texts.
Marry any changes in odds or investments over $100 against time lines of activity.
Get all the names of all betting accounts on Adealide after the first texts were sent.
Look for anything over $100 per account betting on Adelaide.
Witness statements in the meantime from Bevo, Stratton, Gibson and anyone else.
Investigate whether info was used on match day or if others we given the info in the club.
Track their Tahyleeas movements that week and phone/email records.
Ask for investigation file from AFL. Get same if already not in full possession.
Have a check up.
Get SA police to ask Cheney to volunteer for a chat, after his Miranda rights are read.
Systematically pull a part every name and betting account by names, known associates, addresses etc. for the Tahyleeya family, friends, neighbours, associates and then known gamblers, shady figures around footballers known drinking spots and then criminal figures and their associates etc. - looking for a connection between illegal betting activity.
Any irregularities, request warrants for phone records and interviews when required.
If Tahleeya's have a problem, interview them. Check evidence they gave to AFL against evidence given in interview.

Anything in that don't look right, then there's a big problem the AFL wilfully ignored. Then their investigators get brought into an investigation as to collusion or conspiracy to commit offences, or cover up betting crimes by the AFL...

At least then betting activity is then properly scrutinised. David King copped more heat from Victoria Police for a lot less.

[LostDoggy]

Brett Clothier will be pretty nervous I reckon.

[LostDoggy]

It appears the reason the VCLGR is getting involved (or has an excuse to) is because the AFL neglected to inform them of integrity issues at any point during a 63 day investigation.

Amatuer hour.

[Doc26]

Apparently Mick Warner has got an article coming out in the Herald Sun. My new favourite journo, is running hard on this with a couple of strong articles and was demoted at the Hun last year for getting into a fist fight with Robbo. Good credentials all round.

This is Michael Warner's article from the HS that you make reference to.


Talia brothers investigation: Gambling watchdog may launch fresh probe, wants answers from AFL

THE state’s gambling watchdog wants answers from the AFL over its handling of the Talia brothers investigation.

The Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation on Monday said it was considering launching its own probe into allegations parts of the Western Bulldogs game plan were leaked ahead of the club’s elimination final loss to Adelaide.

Bookmakers on Monday night said up to $5 million was wagered on the match, which the Crows won by just seven points.

The VCGLR said the AFL had failed in its statutory obligation to make it aware of the allegations levelled against Michael and Daniel Talia once the Bulldogs had formally sought an investigation.

As an approved Sports Controlling Body, the AFL is compelled to notify the gambling authority of potential integrity breaches.

The VCGLR has the power to revoke the AFL’s licence to collect lucrative contract fees from accredited betting agencies such as Crownbet and Tabcorp.

It has previously investigated the AFL over the Melbourne tanking scandal and last year’s NAB Rising Star leak.

“This (Talia) matter is currently under consideration by the VCGLR,” an authority spokesperson said on Monday.

“In accordance with section 4.5.32 of the Gambling Regulation Act 2003, a Sports Controlling Body is required to notify the VGGLR in writing if it becomes aware of a breach or suspected breach of its policies, rules, codes of conduct or other mechanisms designed to ensure the integrity of the relevant sports betting event, as soon as practicable and in any event within 14 days of the breach or suspected breach.

“A Sports Controlling Body must also notify the VCGLR in writing of the action taken to investigate any breach or suspected breach, and the result of any such investigation on its completion.

“To date, the VCGLR has not received any formal notification by the Australian Football League, with reference to its obligations as a Sports Controlling Body, under section 4.5.32 of the Act.

“The VCGLR is making further inquiries to determine if an investigation is required. As such it would be inappropriate to comment at this stage.”

An AFL spokesperson on Monday night said the league had “not received any communication from the VCGLR on this matter”.

The AFL last week cleared the Talia brothers of any wrongdoing after a 63-day probe into claims “game-sensitive” information was leaked before the September 12 final.

The league found Adelaide defender Kyle Cheney had triggered the investigation by telling an “inappropriate joke” to Hawthorn player Ben Stratton on the morning after the match.

Cheney was handed a formal warning by the AFL but the Bulldogs released a statement declaring the club remained “troubled by certain aspects of the investigation”.

An adverse finding against the Talias would have had implications for the AFL and its gambling partners.

The league also stands to be a major beneficiary of changes to Australia’s online gambling laws under consideration by the Turnbull Government that will allow punters to make unlimited “in-play’’ bets on their mobile devices.

Gambling revenues on sporting contests are expected to soar if the changes are approved.

About 75 per cent of all English Premier League betting is made “in-play’’, where live odds fluctuate wildly.

[jeemak]

The AFL is so lucky it operates in a relative monopoly in this state, and at worst a duopoly in other states.

Unfortunately their luck is normally our misfortune, as they can get way with being an incompetent bunch of small town wankers with very little integrity, and a feeling of impunity in all of the things they do and within the challenges they face.

But this time it's different.

Once again I come back to the club statement after this matter was "resolved", and the clear disappointment it showed. What the folk at AFL HQ don't understand is that they have picked a fight in which their complainant is more skilled in battle than they are. They literally couldn't have picked a worse opportunity to squib an issue than this one, considering our club president is an expert in ethics and has a track record in exposing underhanded corporate behaviour and cover ups.

Gil and his silver spoon, patronising and ultimately cheap charlatan cronies will come undone in this matter, and there's nothing they can do about it now. They had an opportunity to deal with it appropriately and anything they do now, ethical or otherwise is only going to hurt them more.

What a balls up.

[Doc26]

This part of Mick Warner's article made me laugh


An AFL spokesperson on Monday night said the league had “not received any communication from the VCGLR on this matter”.


When a gambling authority spokesperson was quoted with this earlier in the article


A Sports Controlling Body must also notify the VCGLR in writing of the action taken to investigate any breach or suspected breach, and the result of any such investigation on its completion.

“To date, the VCGLR has not received any formal notification by the Australian Football League, with reference to its obligations as a Sports Controlling Body, under section 4.5.32 of the Act.


So let's get the right, the AFL are apparently waiting for the VCGLR to notify them ????

[G-Mo77]

I was kind of hoping this would be over. I've moved on from what Talia has done. The AFL Investigation confirmed my doubts on the leak with it's child like excuse story. I just hate bad press and wanted to move forward from this. It's going to drag on and on now.

[Murphy'sLore]

I understand the desire to put this tawdry episode behind us, but I also want to see justice done. Not so much for (dead to me) Talia, but to expose the deceitful, self-serving machinations of the so-called professional organisation of the AFL.

[Bulldog4life]

The interesting part of the article for me was "An adverse finding against Talia would have had implications for the AFL and its gambling partners".

[G-Mo77]

I understand the desire to put this tawdry episode behind us, but I also want to see justice done. Not so much for (dead to me) Talia, but to expose the deceitful, self-serving machinations of the so-called professional organisation of the AFL.

Yeah that's fair enough. I go through waves and I'm at a point now where I just want to go forward, last week would have been different. The AFLs pathetic response was something you'd hear from a child who didn't do their homework. It's actually pretty funny they took so much time to come up with that.

[divvydan]

The interesting part of the article for me was "An adverse finding against Talia would have had implications for the AFL and its gambling partners".

Similar situation with the Melbourne tanking issue (although that was much bigger). The AFL finding Melbourne guilty of tanking would have had disastrous ramifications for both themselves and the MFC. Instead they found Melbourne not guilty and fined them instead.

[Twodogs]

I understand the desire to put this tawdry episode behind us, but I also want to see justice done. Not so much for (dead to me) Talia, but to expose the deceitful, self-serving machinations of the so-called professional organisation of the AFL.

Moving forward is important but so is addressing issues. Either something happened or it didn't. This "the dog ate my phone" crap just isn't washing. It didn't when it was proffered as a excuse at the time and it really smells now.

[F'scary]

Loving this.

[Go_Dogs]

Was 2015 the 'year of the fan' where the AFL sought to implement a range of measures to improve the experience for supporters?

If so, it's unbelievable they remain unwilling to face into issues that occur in the game, conduct thorough investigations and make their findings public.

I'm satisfied with the way the Club has handled this matter and the response it issued. It's fairly easy for anyone who wishes to do so to review the various statements and identify the Club's thoughts about the findings.

Will watch with interest to see if anything further comes of it now the VCGLR are looking at it.

[westdog54]

I love the fact that the VCGLR are onto this. They have a team of Police Seconded into their office to bolster their investigative power.

[LostDoggy]

Herald Sun now running a story about AFC requiring silence from Cheney..........

Heh, heh, heh. Plenty to come.

[bornadog]

Talia family hit back at Western Bulldogs (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/talia-family-hit-back-at-western-bulldogs-20151201-gld0nh.html)
The family of former Western Bulldogs defender Michael Talia has hit out at the club, saying they will end their 88-year association with the AFL side.


Talia was cleared of leaking sensitive information to his brother Daniel, who plays for Adelaide, by the AFL integrity unit after the Bulldogs asked the league to investigate.


Talia's grandfather Harvey Stevens played 72 games for Footscray between 1953 and 1957, winning their only premiership in 1954, while his great-grandfather Arthur also played 64 games for them between 1927 and 1932.


However that chapter in their family history is now over according to Talia's grandmother, Elva Stevens.


"That kid was a Bulldogs supporter from the time he could sit up he had a Bulldogs jumper on," Stevens told News Corp Australia.


"He loved the Bulldogs.


"We'll never have anything to do with them again, not under the present regime."


Talia did not play in the elimination-final clash against Adelaide where he was accused of leaking team tactics in the lead up, however Stevens maintains she overheard the apparent exchange and believes there was no malice involved.


"It was absolute rot this business that he gave the game plan away," she said.


"As he said to the league, he was hoping to get a game the next week and was barracking for the Bulldogs.


"All he said to his brother was on the phone because my daughter heard it was: `(Jake) Stringer will kill you tonight, you're as slow as a wet week.' That's all that was said."


The conversation inadvertently made its way back to the Bulldogs through Adelaide defender Kyle Cheney, who received an official warning from the AFL.


The Adelaide Crows say they have no plans for Cheney to speak publicly about the incident, while Talia has since moved to the Sydney Swans.

[SonofScray]

Sorry it ended this way for members of the Talia family, however, that someone who was a fan has ended up in this scenario because they've absolutely sold us up the creek and betrayed our community just makes it all the more dastardly.

[jeemak]

It's a shame the association for the family will end, though I'm not surprised it has.

As always emotive accounts from family members don't add a lot of value, I'd expect nothing less from a mother and grandmother.

[always right]

Heard Caroline Wilson's take on this last night. Apparently has spoken to a lot of people (presumably at the AFL) and is convinced there is nothing in the story. Regarding Cheney's phone calls with Beveridge, her view is that Cheney "went to water" under pressure from Beveridge.

Funny.....I would have thought going to water would mean admitting it was all a joke. She really irritates me with her superior "know-it-all" attitude.

[Greystache]

We're hearing from the Talia's agent, we're hearing their thoughts through the media, we even have their grand parents giving their views, what we don't have is what they actually said- particularly via text message. I guess tears say more than real evidence ever could.

[Dancin' Douggy]

It's such a horrible story.

But I don't buy the.......'oh I was only joking'..........'um I lost my phone'.......'oh I deleted those messages' crap.

[Twodogs]

It's a shame the association for the family will end, though I'm not surprised it has.

As always emotive accounts from family members don't add a lot of value, I'd expect nothing less from a mother and grandmother.


Yep you'd expect nothing less. It would actually be a story if she said something else.

[bornadog]

Show the texts from the start and then we could have all moved on.

[Testekill]

Heard Caroline Wilson's take on this last night. Apparently has spoken to a lot of people (presumably at the AFL) and is convinced there is nothing in the story. Regarding Cheney's phone calls with Beveridge, her view is that Cheney "went to water" under pressure from Beveridge.

Funny.....I would have thought going to water would mean admitting it was all a joke. She really irritates me with her superior "know-it-all" attitude.

Going to water means cracking under the pressure and confessing everything.

Which he didn't do

[LostDoggy]

The line that Cheney maintained his 'joke' because he panicked under attack from Bevo is highly implausible given Cheney has been reported to have made the call in both instances. The theory only really makes sense if Bevo had've chased down Cheney. The idea that Cheney made the effort to plan his call, contact Bevo and then maintain his 'joke' through panic (twice) is just nonsensical.

Having the boys grandmother face the media is highly distasteful. I am trying not to be overly cynical, but stinks of really nasty AFL media 101 (in conjunction with Caro furiously again decrying that there is nothing to see here), indicating there is plenty going on.

[Sedat]

Having the boys grandmother face the media is highly distasteful. I am trying not to be overly cynical, but stinks of really nasty AFL media 101 (in conjunction with Caro furiously again decrying that there is nothing to see here), indicating there is plenty going on.
AFL media 101 and Caro are essentially the same thing - she is the unofficial print media mouthpiece for City Hall

[Testekill]

Having the boys grandmother face the media is highly distasteful. I am trying not to be overly cynical, but stinks of really nasty AFL media 101 (in conjunction with Caro furiously again decrying that there is nothing to see here), indicating there is plenty going on.

It's really *!*!*!*!ing dirty journalism. Pretty much going "oh their grandma is heartbroken at this accusations from the club and wants an apology from them but not from Cheney who lied and sparked the whole investigation"

[Twodogs]

Heard Caroline Wilson's take on this last night. Apparently has spoken to a lot of people (presumably at the AFL) and is convinced there is nothing in the story. Regarding Cheney's phone calls with Beveridge, her view is that Cheney "went to water" under pressure from Beveridge.

Funny.....I would have thought going to water would mean admitting it was all a joke. She really irritates me with her superior "know-it-all" attitude.

Caro went far too early with her criticism of the club and it's made her look foolish. It makes me wonder how thoroughly she researched some if her innuendo.

[Cyberdoggie]

The line that Cheney maintained his 'joke' because he panicked under attack from Bevo is highly implausible given Cheney has been reported to have made the call in both instances. The theory only really makes sense if Bevo had've chased down Cheney. The idea that Cheney made the effort to plan his call, contact Bevo and then maintain his 'joke' through panic (twice) is just nonsensical.

Having the boys grandmother face the media is highly distasteful. I am trying not to be overly cynical, but stinks of really nasty AFL media 101 (in conjunction with Caro furiously again decrying that there is nothing to see here), indicating there is plenty going on.

Exactly, they are basically saying Cheney is some kind of evil psychopath, living in his own world of lies and deceit.

Also very convenient that the Talia's and Caro get media attention the day after the announcement of yesterday.
There was no mention of the actions of the VCGLR in the Talia family's response, it was just a free whack at the Western Bulldogs to direct the attention on them.

[BulldogBelle]

The story keeps growing. Here's something from the Advertiser, you need to subscribe to get it all.

Eddie says Cheney ‘thrown under a bus’

DEFIANT Adelaide maintains embattled defender Kyle Cheney has no case to answer as the Talia brothers controversy reignites. Collingwood supremo Eddie McGuire believes Cheney was a scapegoat “thrown under a bus” in a 63-day investigation into........

[Bulldog4life]

The story keeps growing. Here's something from the Advertiser, you need to subscribe to get it all.

Eddie says Cheney ‘thrown under a bus’

DEFIANT Adelaide maintains embattled defender Kyle Cheney has no case to answer as the Talia brothers controversy reignites. Collingwood supremo Eddie McGuire believes Cheney was a scapegoat “thrown under a bus” in a 63-day investigation into........

Eddie also spoke about getting onto the Telco and getting the discarded texts. Just like the AFL did with Essendon.

[LostDoggy]

Excellent! ;)

[Throughandthrough]

On the broad assumption they use I messaging, it would only take more more text to recover them all