Match Committee: Elimination Final vs Adelaide (Victoria Game)

[bulldogtragic]

In and outs. Playing Adelaide at either Etihad or MCG.

Boyd, Bob and Morris as locks to come in.

I'd suggest Goodes, Zaine and Daniel/Webb/Honey.

I prefer Boyd over Redpath.

[Rocco Jones]

B: Morris, Roberts, Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Roughead, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Johannisen, Daniel
Sub: Jong
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If one of Crameri or Bob are out, I would go with Honeychurch staying in. If both are out, I would play Zaine Cordy as well.

[Mantis]

I think we have to play Campbell... Just don't trust the Roughead/ Redpath duo in the ruck.

Going to be a very interesting week.. Lots of options, some we probably haven't even thought of yet.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Agree TC should play. In place of Roughly or Redpath though?

[Rocco Jones]

I think we have to play Campbell... Just don't trust the Roughead/ Redpath duo in the ruck.

Going to be a very interesting week.. Lots of options, some we probably haven't even thought of yet.

Good point.

[Mantis]

I think Roughy plays in defence ( on Jenkins) and we play only one of Roberts or Hamling.. Whoever is best suited to Walker or do we play Talia who did the job on him last time??

[Rocco Jones]

I think Roughy plays in defence ( on Jenkins) and we play only one of Roberts or Hamling.. Whoever is best suited to Walker or do we play Talia who did the job on him last time.

Talia seems a different player now to the one earlier in the season.

[bulldogtragic]

I think Roughy plays in defence ( on Jenkins) and we play only one of Roberts or Hamling.. Whoever is best suited to Walker or do we play Talia who did the job on him last time??

Interesting call on Talia. You'd think he'd have the confidence to do the job well. Would mean Roberts and Hamling probably get dropped. You'd have to think Bevo would be thinking about it.

[Bulldog4life]

I prefer Roughead in defence along with Talia and Campbell as first ruck.

[bornadog]

I wonder how Talia played today?

[LostDoggy]

Adelaide have 3 genuine tall forwards, in Jenkins, Walker and Lynch. Betts is also good overhead for a small and Dangerfield can take marks inside 50 pushing forward, so our defence will be tested.

On the other hand, the last thing we can afford is to short change ourselves with defensive run.

[azabob]

Surely the key to stoping Taylor Walker is the midfield supply, doesn't matter who is on him.

If the Crows midfield has a clear run at it Walker, Jenkins, Betts and Co will have a day out.

Interestingly our rucks that day were Ayce Cordy and Jordan Roughead.

Crows won the hit outs 48 to 29 - Sam Jacobs amassed 43 of the 49 hit outs.
Resulting in us also losing clearances, both centre and stoppages around the ground.

We kicked 6 goals to 1 goal in the first term and eventually won by 8 goals. We were 11 goals up at 3/4 time.

[Rocco Jones]

Do we want to free up Morris to play on Betts?

Walker/Lynch vs Hamling/Roberts
Jenkins vs Roughy (following him all day)
Betts vs Morris

[Rocco Jones]

Does playing Hamling, Roberts, Roughy and Morris mean we lose too much drive from M Boyd, Bob, Wood and JJ?

[bulldogtragic]

Does playing Hamling, Roberts, Roughy and Morris mean we lose too much drive from M Boyd, Bob, Wood and JJ?

I think so, but the flip side is covering their talls and having Wood free not to play on a tall. It's a delicate balance.

[Mantis]

I would be happy for Wood to play on Lynch.

Or even Biggs or Boyd.

[The Underdog]

Bring back Koby

[LostDoggy]

Is Hamling, Roberts, Morris, Roughy, enough run from the back?

Wood has to take one of the mid/talls.

[Remi Moses]

Bring back Koby

Is Koby ready ?

[The Underdog]

Is Koby ready ?

Koby was born ready...

No of course not, but I'd love his steel in the team

[Rocco Jones]

OK revised side!
B: Morris, Roughead, Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Campbell, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Johannisen, Daniel
Sub: Jong
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If Bob is out= Roberts in
If Crameri is out= Honeychurch in

[Bulldog4life]

Does playing Hamling, Roberts, Roughy and Morris mean we lose too much drive from M Boyd, Bob, Wood and JJ?

Out of the above I would think Roberts would miss if Roughy plays in the backline
Fletcher is the slowest

[Mantis]

Is Hamling, Roberts, Morris, Roughy, enough run from the back?

Wood has to take one of the mid/talls.

Yep.. We have to play to our strengths, and our strength is our run, carry and dare from defence.

[LostDoggy]

I don't think we should overreact after today. Our mids were clearly not going in 100%, making the rucks look awful. No tackling (17 in 1st half) means easy clearances.

Just last week when Roughy/Redpath nullified Goldstein, a lot of us were saying how much of a step up it was from the previous weeks' efforts. Whoever we go with, our mids will primarily be trying to shark off Jacobs.

[jeemak]

The form of Grant is concerning me, he's come back from a certain core player to almost peripheral again. He's definitely earned the right to be given a chance to play next week though I'm finding it hard to say I definitely want him in the side over Daniel and Honey after the last two to three weeks.

Webb, Goodes and Cordy are my first three omissions for Boyd, Murphy and Morris. I really don't know what to do about Redpath and Roughead at the moment. The latter probably goes into defence at the expense of Roberts, with the former just holding his spot (I'm not sure he's the option over T. Boyd, but the MC probably will see it that way).

Campbell should come in to ruck. Roughead was really ordinary today across all levels, after a really positive start.

[chef]

The form of Grant is concerning me, he's come back from a certain core player to almost peripheral again. He's definitely earned the right to be given a chance to play next week though I'm finding it hard to say I definitely want him in the side over Daniel and Honey after the last two to three weeks.

Webb, Goodes and Cordy are my first three omissions for Boyd, Murphy and Morris. I really don't know what to do about Redpath and Roughead at the moment. The latter probably goes into defence at the expense of Roberts, with the former just holding his spot (I'm not sure he's the option over T. Boyd, but the MC probably will see it that way).

Campbell should come in to ruck. Roughead was really ordinary today across all levels, after a really positive start.

I'd have HC or Daniel in the side before Grant.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

B: Morris, Roberts, Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Roughead, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Johannisen, Daniel
Sub: Jong
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If one of Crameri or Bob are out, I would go with Honeychurch staying in. If both are out, I would play Zaine Cordy as well.

I like your team with one exception. I would replace Roberts with Roughead moving to FB allowing Campbell to replace Roughy as first ruck. Roughead couldn't get near Martin today in the rucking duels which was a worrying sign. He should be able to take Jenkins/ Jacobs down back. Let's hope Crameri is fit enough to play as he will be needed to help take the pressure off Stringer and Dickson. I wouldn't play ZCordy. Cordy simply hasn't shown enough in his past two senior games. Jong to replace Goodes and Daniel to be retained instead of Honeychurch.
We will be a much better team with Murphy MBoyd and Morris returning. They were sadly missed today.

[Rocco Jones]

I like your team with one exception. I would replace Roberts with Roughead moving to FB allowing Campbell to replace Roughy as first ruck.

Haha I just updated my side to do the same.

[bornadog]

I like your team with one exception. I would replace Roberts with Roughead moving to FB allowing Campbell to replace Roughy as first ruck. Roughead couldn't get near Martin today in the rucking duels which was a worrying sign. He should be able to take Jenkins/ Jacobs down back. Let's hope Crameri is fit enough to play as he will be needed to help take the pressure off Stringer and Dickson. I wouldn't play ZCordy. Cordy simply hasn't shown enough in his past two senior games. Jong to replace Goodes and Daniel to be retained instead of Honeychurch.
We will be a much better team with Murphy MBoyd and Morris returning. They were sadly missed today.

I would keep Honeychurch and drop Webb. He only had 8 touches today and was a concern.

[LostDoggy]

I would keep Honeychurch and drop Webb. He only had 8 touches today and was a concern.

I agree. HC far from the worst today. Webb hardly touched it after 1/4 time, he needs another preseason.

[Mantis]

OK revised side!
B: Morris, Roughead, Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Campbell, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Johannisen, Daniel
Sub: Jong
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If Bob is out= Roberts in
If Crameri is out= Honeychurch in

Happy with that team, but I can't find a spot for Jong.. HC in for him.

[LostDoggy]

Campbell has only played 1/2 a game in the past 3 weeks. Big risk.

Is Will a chance?

[boydogs]

Out: Z Cordy, Webb, Goodes
In: Morris, M Boyd, Murphy

[Rocket Science]

I'm a fan in general but Hamling's plateaued the past few weeks, struggling in defensive contests and not getting as involved on the rebound either.

Right now, I'd rank him amongst those whose spots are under examination.

Alternately, Daniel is money. Smart smart smart with the pill. I think he deserves more than SUB status.

[josie]

I really want Caleb to play. I think he gave us a spark as soon as he come on today. He is a good link player & his disposal is top notch. Hope there is a way to keep him in the team.

Any news on how bad Dickson is hurt?

Understand Crameri likely to be ok. Geez I hope Bob is ok - missed his leadership today.

[GVGjr]

I'm a fan in general but Hamling's plateaued the past few weeks, struggling in defensive contests and not getting as involved on the rebound either.

Right now, I'd rank him amongst those whose spots are under examination.

Alternately, Daniel is money. Smart smart smart with the pill. I think he deserves more than SUB status.

It's a good point you raise. If there was alternatives he could be a candidate to be replaced. If it had to be Roberts or Hamling, who would you drop?

[jeemak]

It's a good point you raise. If there was alternatives he could be a candidate to be replaced. If it had to be Roberts or Hamling, who would you drop?

Roberts would be dropped for mine. He's just a bit underdone and you'll see today he seemed it.

[Mantis]

Campbell has only played 1/2 a game in the past 3 weeks. Big risk.



If he was right to go today it seems a strange decision but to give him a run in the VFL team.

[bornadog]

Is Will a chance?

Wouldn't surprise me if he came in

[LostDoggy]

Were Roberts & Hamling that bad? Given 61 I50s and 35 scoring shots against, Brisbane's tall forwards did bugger all really. I would've thought our tall defenders have done their jobs fairly effectively under the circmstances, without being anything special.

[LostDoggy]

Have we heard when we are likely to play our final. Beveridge indicated Saturday night, is that likely? Last I heard it was going to be Sunday.

[Mantis]

Western Bulldogs v Adelaide
Saturday September 12, 7.20pm
MCG

[divvydan]

Yeah, had to be Sat night once WCE/Haw was going to be Fri night as the final in the 2nd week will be the Fri night one.

[bornadog]

Adelaide have played MCG once this year against Carlton and beat them by 9 points

[bulldogtragic]

Early weather forecast for Saturday in Melbourne:

Partly cloudy. Slight (30%) chance of a shower. Winds northerly 20 to 30 km/h.

[bornadog]

Early weather forecast for Saturday in Melbourne:

Partly cloudy. Slight (30%) chance of a shower. Winds northerly 20 to 30 km/h.

Should be a fine day and 22 deg, with an overnight of 14

[Sedat]

OK revised side!
B: Morris, Roughead, Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Campbell, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Johannisen, Daniel
Sub: Jong
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If Bob is out= Roberts in
If Crameri is out= Honeychurch in
My preference would be Honeychurch for Jong and Tom Boyd for Redpath. Boyd and Campbell being rested from the VFL this week says to me they are both playing in the first final next Saturday. I think we need to make a multitude of changes to freshen up the team after travelling to Qld and playing in the heat of the middle of the day - over and above bringing back M Boyd, Morris and Bob.

[jeemak]

My preference would be Honeychurch for Jong and Tom Boyd for Redpath. Boyd and Campbell being rested from the VFL this week says to me they are both playing in the first final next Saturday. I think we need to make a multitude of changes to freshen up the team after travelling to Qld and playing in the heat of the middle of the day - over and above bringing back M Boyd, Morris and Bob.

Why Jong? Because of his game today at VFL level?

Conversely, why not Honey?

[Bulldog4life]

My preference would be Honeychurch for Jong and Tom Boyd for Redpath. Boyd and Campbell being rested from the VFL this week says to me they are both playing in the first final next Saturday. I think we need to make a multitude of changes to freshen up the team after travelling to Qld and playing in the heat of the middle of the day - over and above bringing back M Boyd, Morris and Bob.

I thought Redpath was in our best today

[Sedat]

I thought Redpath was in our best today
Got on the end of a few. Serviceable in the ruck. Otherwise not a super performance - not sure he will add much value to the team next week matched up on Talia. Just read elsewhere that Tom Boyd was injured at training which is why he didn't play for Footscray today, so it's probably a moot point.

[Remi Moses]

Should be a fine day and 22 deg, with an overnight of 14

That's paramount to a heatwave to what we've had

[Ozza]

Heaps to consider throughout the week.

Certainly from today's side the outs would be at minimum;

Cordy & Goodes were filling voids and are obvious outs.
Webb - some great signs from him this year- but isn't really doing anything at the moment.
Redpath- he won't be dropped. Bevo obviously loves him. Make no mistake, regardless of 3 fortunate goals, he was ordinary again today, and personally I wouldn't play him. Particularly not in this 2nd ruck/floating forward role. And if he is in the forward line, is there any danger of him keeping out of stringer's way?! How many times did he draw another opposition player into the area? Leave your gun forward with space to get one out!

I'd like C.Daniel to stay in the side. He can have an impact with fewer possessions than others, and brings the same level of intensity every week. Possibly the later start than the other 1st years has him with more in the tank than, say, Webb right now (understand they are different players- but are possibly fighting it out for the sub vest).

[Ghost Dog]

Will be watching the injury thread with interest.
Seems strange to be playing Redpath over Boyd but Bevo knows best.

Like to see Stringer rotated through the midfield if Thompson and co start to win the arm wrestle.
Wallis, Bont, Stringer,

[LostDoggy]

My preference would be Honeychurch for Jong and Tom Boyd for Redpath. Boyd and Campbell being rested from the VFL this week says to me they are both playing in the first final next Saturday. I think we need to make a multitude of changes to freshen up the team after travelling to Qld and playing in the heat of the middle of the day - over and above bringing back M Boyd, Morris and Bob.

Reports are that Jong played injured in VFL today, noticeably wincing when weight put on his injured leg. Doubt he'll come into considerations.

[LostDoggy]

Looking back at Adelaide game earlier this year, Jacobs dominated rucks (43ho to 13) yet we won by 57 points.

Jacobs won h/o 52-12 today yet Crows get comfortably rolled.

As long as our midfield is switched on at the clearances, and our chosen ruckman is competitive around the ground, this won't be a factor that has huge bearing on the result.

[westbulldog]

Out - Cordy Webb Hamling Grant Goodes
In - Murphy Morris M Boyd Campbell Talia

[Hotdog60]

By the stats and I know that's not gospel, Jack was only one goal difference with Jake so by that they both had simular games only one looks more exciting when he has the ball.

[LostDoggy]

A lot of people are obsessing about our form away from Etihad. Admittedly, our form at home is superior, but at least we have beaten good teams this year away from Etihad, including Richmond at the MCG and Sydney in Sydney.

Adelaide's away form against decent opposition is way inferior to ours. If you exclude the bottom 6 teams, their form away from Adelaide Oval reads; GWS lost by 24, WB lost by 57, WCE lost by 56, Sydney lost by 53, Geelong lost by 39.

That's all losses, by an average of 7-8 goals.

[merantau]

A lot of people are obsessing about our form away from Etihad. Admittedly, our form at home is superior, but at least we have beaten good teams this year away from Etihad, including Richmond at the MCG and Sydney in Sydney.

Adelaide's away form against decent opposition is way inferior to ours. If you exclude the bottom 6 teams, their form away from Adelaide Oval reads; GWS lost by 24, WB lost by 57, WCE lost by 56, Sydney lost by 53, Geelong lost by 39.

That's all losses, by an average of 7-8 goals.

Thanks for the reality check Peanuts. The fact is we beat them by 57 points. We are a better side now. The rucks were not a factor before. We won because we had numbers around the ball and when we didn't have it we applied pressure.
Unlike a few here I want Grant in. He is the sort of player whose creativity creates goals and he does not require a lot of the ball to have an impact. I am also a fan of Daniel. His ball use is very good and his long suit is footy smarts.

[Rocco Jones]

This is very radical. Is Will Minson any chance? As alternative as Beveridge has been with our rucks, we have spent the majority of the season with a recognised 1st ruckman. Will has obviously been on the outer but has still managed 9 games compared to Campbell's 6. Roughy has only had 2 games as the #1 ruckman.

[Rocco Jones]

Looked at the season stats for Tom Boyd vs Jack Redpath and Campbell vs Minson vs Roughead. The stats could not be closer.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Walker/Jenkins/Lynch could give us some trouble when you factor in Betts. In an ideal world, Morris plays on Betts and typically blankets him, but our key defenders aren't playing well so he may be required to play on Tex, which theoretically allows us more run. Roughead seems a logical choice for Jenkins/second ruck, but I'm not sure he's best 22 week-to-week.

Hard to see us taking Roughy/Roberts/Hamling as defenders, Campbell as first ruck and Redpath as FF/second ruck. We favor more run, so I'm not sure what we'll do. I could see us keeping the same line up and doing Roughy/Jacobs, Roberts/Tex, Hamling/Jenkins which heavily favours them.

[bornadog]

This is very radical. Is Will Minson any chance? As alternative as Beveridge has been with our rucks, we have spent the majority of the season with a recognised 1st ruckman. Will has obviously been on the outer but has still managed 9 games compared to Campbell's 6. Roughy has only had 2 games as the #1 ruckman.


Wouldn't surprise me if he came in

I am thinking the same

[azabob]

Roughead, JJ and Crameri all in doubt.

[bornadog]

Roughead, JJ and Crameri all in doubt.

Where was that from Aza?

[azabob]

Where was that from Aza?

From news.com.

John Ralph wrote the article.

Crameri more likely to play than the other two.

[GVGjr]

I have read the article on the Hun and I still question if Roughead has the ability to physically handle being the number one ruckman week after week. Would be a huge blow if he isn't available for the game. Same with JJ and Crameri.

[azabob]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-dealing-with-injury-toll-ahead-of-final-against-adelaide-crows/story-fndv8weh-1227515286469

[LostDoggy]

Ouch.

I heard that Campbell had gastro on the weekend so should be available this week at least?

[Rocco Jones]

I would go with Minson in the ruck ahead of a sore Roughy and Campbell coming off an injury and gastro. Not sure Roughy would be a massive loss as much as I love him.

JJ out would hurt.

[bulldogtragic]

I would go with Minson in the ruck ahead of a sore Roughy and Campbell coming off an injury and gastro. Not sure Roughy would be a massive loss as much as I love him.

JJ out would hurt.

Crameri needs to be good to go. Some games where he played sore early this year were not good, but if he's good that's big. The Roughy call is bang on and I think Bevo should wind Minson up, get in his head and give him a point to prove and get another final. It might just work. JJ would be a blow and we've not got that jet pace to come in. Webb would be my guess for his role.

[kruder]

in regards to the heat surely the warm weather would have benefited the group? We haven't had much sunshine this winter and its really noticeable when you get some rays how much better you feel.

[bornadog]

in regards to the heat surely the warm weather would have benefited the group? We haven't had much sunshine this winter and its really noticeable when you get some rays how much better you feel.

It will be a nice day next Saturday but night will be cool.

[Rocco Jones]

I am going to revise my team a couple of time a day
B: Morris, Roughead (Roberts), Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Minson, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Johannisen (Jong/Webb), Daniel, Honeychurch

[LostDoggy]

in regards to the heat surely the warm weather would have benefited the group? We haven't had much sunshine this winter and its really noticeable when you get some rays how much better you feel.

The warmer weather is great for a casual day out, not so great when you're running 10-15 k's whilst crashing into people :)

[Rocco Jones]

in regards to the heat surely the warm weather would have benefited the group? We haven't had much sunshine this winter and its really noticeable when you get some rays how much better you feel.

I think that's when you are on a deck chair not playing an AFL game.

[azabob]

I am going to revise my team a couple of time a day
B: Morris, Roughead (Roberts), Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Minson, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Johannisen (Jong/Webb), Daniel, Honeychurch

Can you at least give us the in's and out's each time!

[Rocco Jones]

Can you at least give us the in's and out's each time!

Haha okay. I am not sure how I am going to get through the week.

[Rocket Science]

From news.com.

John Ralph wrote the article.

Crameri more likely to play than the other two.

A spot of ducks and drakes perhaps...?

Crameri and Johannisen would be significant outs.

[LostDoggy]

Jeez big Will would be nice and fired up to get a recall in a final at the G. A bit of old fashioned physicality may be just the ticket.

[Rocco Jones]

How's this for a stat?

With Will Minson in we are 7-2
Without Will we are 7-6

[boydogs]

Love to see Minson in if Roughead doesn't pull up. I think he is suited to Jacobs

[LostDoggy]

I wish I had some sort6 of idea of the team Bevo will pick..

[always right]

Feeling very uncomfortable that we have blokes either likely to miss through injury or at the very least play at less than 100%. WE need everyone up and about.

JJ would be a huge out even though his form has been poor the last two weeks. If Murph is doubtful it removes a hell of a lot of our run. And then there's Crameri.

[Mantis]

JJ would be a huge out even though his form has been poor the last two weeks. If Murph is doubtful it removes a hell of a lot of our run. And then there's Crameri.

I thought JJ was pretty solid against North having 20 touches and 2 goals.. Didn't see much of him on Saturday, but I didn't watch much of the 1st half.

[Remi Moses]

I think there's some ducks and drakes at play here .
Smith for them would be in some doubt also, but they reckon he'll play.

[Remi Moses]

Murphy will play, trust me

[always right]

I thought JJ was pretty solid against North having 20 touches and 2 goals.. Didn't see much of him on Saturday, but I didn't watch much of the 1st half.

You're right....I was thinking of the previous game. Regardless we need him in our side to break the lines. We are a much slower side without him....even though he is just one player.

[always right]

Murphy will play, trust me

I have no doubt....I just hope he still has his customary burst of speed.

[kruder]

I just hope our forwards don't get sucked up the ground too much it always happens at the G. We have to be brave and have some sort of structure deep because with finals pressure on the ball carrier it becomes difficult when there is no one to kick too.

[F'scary]

McLean is available. Any takers? And who would make space for him?

[azabob]

McLean is available. Any takers? And who would make space for him?

No chance what so ever.

Even when we make the GF he won't be playing. Unfortunately hasn't played enough footy.

[The bulldog tragician]

No chance what so ever.

Even when we make the GF he won't be playing. Unfortunately hasn't played enough footy.

The forgotten man. I was so impressed by Toby. He'll be a very good player for us and his injury was rotten luck.

[kruder]

Was listening to the sun podcast and they said Roughead won't be playing and that Minson was very unlikely to come in due to accountability. Looks like Campbell will play, well according to them.

[LostDoggy]

Roughy and JJ not mentioned in the latest injury update from the club. Would indicate both are probably doubtful?

[boydogs]

Roughy and JJ not mentioned in the latest injury update from the club. Would indicate both are probably doubtful?

I would have thought the opposite

[bulldogtragic]

Rocco, where is the Monday 8pm update??? We are waiting. :D

[LostDoggy]

Ins for me-Theobvious one's if fit-Murph,Mozza,M.Boyd
The not so Captain obvious's-Toyd-to start in the ruck and ah der-float forward to kick a couple :rolleyes:

[bulldogtragic]

If Tom Boyd plays how do the Adelaide defence line up. Interesting talk about Talia taking Stringer, then Boyd could get release from Talia or Stringer gets a lesser defender.

[azabob]

If Tom Boyd plays how do the Adelaide defence line up. Interesting talk about Talia taking Stringer, then Boyd could get release from Talia or Stringer gets a lesser defender.

Can Boyd play after missing in the VFL? Is Talia quick and mobile enough to keep up with Stringer?

For what its worth Darcy thinks Minson will play this week.

[hujsh]

I wish I had some sort6 of idea of the team Bevo will pick..

To do that you'll either need to become a genius or an madman.

How lucky do you feel?

[Go_Dogs]

B: Wood, Roberts, Morris
HB: Boyd, Hamling, Murphy
C: Macrae, Wallis, Dickson
HF: Dahlhaus, Crameri, Hunter
F: Stringer, Boyd, Honeychurch
R: Roughead, Bontempelli, Picken
I/C: JJ, Biggs, Daniel, Grant (sub)

So I guess that means, the Ins are:-
Boyd, Boyd, Morris, Murphy

And Outs:-
Redpath, Webb, Goodes, Cordy

Roughead is a leader at our club so I'm backing him in to do the job in the ruck and perhaps spend some time on Jenkins.

The experienced defenders are easy inclusions. Wouldn't be surprised to see Bob spend a bit of time forward and Boyd to perhaps play a few minutes up the field.

Boyd is my choice if fit for the G. He's perhaps a better second ruck and is more likely to draw a crowd and create a contest when we have to go deep. If we ensure our forwards hold their structure we have the leg speed to create the overlap and get some goals running back into our F50.

Our running power is what will win us this game if we can win enough ball in the middle and are ruthless with our hurt on the crows players.

My biggest concern is they have more finals experience and are a more seasoned side who, despite the weekend, are currently in very good form.

[azabob]

Strange as this sounds I don't think Redpath is being dropped. He has done a lot of media so far this week.

[Go_Dogs]

Strange as this sounds I don't think Redpath is being dropped. He has done a lot of media so far this week.

I actually thought the same, but I'm not sure how much to read into it.

If he stays, then I think 3 changes is all we will make.

[bornadog]

Strange as this sounds I don't think Redpath is being dropped. He has done a lot of media so far this week.

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[azabob]

I actually thought the same, but I'm not sure how much to read into it.

If he stays, then I think 3 changes is all we will make.

Great summary GD. I am nervous about how we will combat the Crows run and carry. Their experience in finals also worries me. But our blokes haven't let things such as the oppositions experience worry them before. Hopefully this week is no different.

[The Pie Man]

Strange as this sounds I don't think Redpath is being dropped. He has done a lot of media so far this week.

I recall Hrovat doing a mid week SEN interview earlier this year where plenty of discussion was centred around the coming week, and come Thursday night he was dropped.

But I wouldn't have thought Redpath would be in any danger anyway....now I've said that, he'll surely be in trouble

[angelopetraglia]

JJ (minor calf) and Roughead (too sore) confirmed outs by Bevo. No idea, but it sounds like Roughead may have been politely dropped. How are you too sore for a final?

[Ozza]

JJ (minor calf) and Roughead (too sore) confirmed outs by Bevo. No idea, but it sounds like Roughead may have been politely dropped. How are you too sore for a final?

Where did you hear that? Did Bevo just have a presser?

[always right]

JJ a huge loss.

[LostDoggy]

JJ (minor calf) and Roughead (too sore) confirmed outs by Bevo. No idea, but it sounds like Roughead may have been politely dropped. How are you too sore for a final?

Also seems strange you would decide somebody is too sore 5 days before the match.

[Ozza]

JJ a huge loss.

Yep, definitely.

Selection gets pretty interesting in the ruck division now. And for JJ - I guess there are a number of players who will be considered to replace him (Webb to stay in, or Bailey Dale, Josh Prudden, Hrovat, McLean is probably coming from too far back).

[choconmientay]

On afl http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-08/bulldogs-lose-key-pair-for-elimination-final

[F'scary]

Big Will's finest hour approaches.

[LostDoggy]

Very interesting team selection coming up..

Minson? Campbell? Boyd?

[Go_Dogs]

I would look at Minson in for Roughead, and Dale in for JJ.

We still have a good mix of defenders with Murphy, Boyd, Biggs and Wood.

[Axe Man]

Would we consider going in with an undersized backline as we often have this season to ensure plenty of rebound?

We could possibly go in with just the one tall (Hamling/Roberts/Talia) to play on Jenkins and give Morris the job on Walker. I know the preference is not to have Morris play on the gorillas but Walker is about the same height as Dale. I would have more faith in Morris on Tex than anyone else on our list.

I think Wood and Biggs would be ok matchups for Lynch. Betts of course presents a problem regardless.

Just trying to think outside the square as the match committee has almost never picked the most logical or predictable side this season.

[F'scary]

I would look at Minson in for Roughead, and Dale in for JJ.

We still have a good mix of defenders with Murphy, Boyd, Biggs and Wood.

I'd go McLean ahead of Dale. His matches against BL, StK and Car were very good to excellent. Dale did not produce one performance that even came close to these.

[Ozza]

I'd go McLean ahead of Dale. His matches against BL, StK and Car were very good to excellent. Dale did not produce one performance that even came close to these.

Unfortunately McLean is probably coming from too far back in terms of preparation, whereas the likes Dale, Webb & Daniel have all been playing most or all weeks.

In a perfect world, I'd love to have McLean in, reckon he is terrific.

[Sedat]

McLean is available. Any takers? And who would make space for him?
Now that would be a ballsy move. Not sure if I agree with it or not but it would certainly throw the cat amongst the pigeons. I love his clean hands and great decision making in traffic - reckon he would not look out of place in a final (except for the whole looking like a 12yo kid thing). Would certainly be well-rested but I suspect he'll need a run at VFL level to get match fitness.

I am very worried about the overall fitness and running ability of our team after a trip to Perth, a tough slog in Melbourne and then a run-around in the heat and humidity of Brisbane - that and the fact that we are such a young squad. I don't think 3 changes will suffice this week - would like to see 5-6 changes to fully freshen up the team.

[Ozza]

I think 5 changes is looking possible, or even - likely.

Certainly Moz, Murph and Boyd come in. And none of those players can replace Roughead, so there is at least one more.

So its 4 changes minimum.

Outs are already JJ & Rough.
I can't see how you could play Cordy or Goodes.

And for me, you'd have to look at whether Spider Webb is going well enough.

B: Morris; Roberts; Wood
HB: Boyd; Hamling; Murphy
C: Picken; Wallis; Macrae
HF: Dickson; Crameri; Hunter
F: Stringer; Boyd; Redpath
R: Minson; Bontempelli; Dahlhaus
Int: Biggs; Honeychurch; Grant; Daniel

I think with Tom Boyd in the side, if gives you the opportunity to sub out Will Minson and have Tom Boyd ruck the last quarter and a bit, and a fresh runner comes on (one of Grant, Daniel or Honeychurch). I also think Boyd & Redpath really stretch Adelaide's suspect defence for height, and make the Stringer & Crameri match ups a nightmare.

With Minson, my gut feel is that he is going to be a better match up for Jacobs. And Will played well last week.

[Cyberdoggie]

I think Jong will come in. Dale isn't ready to play finals footy yet, Jong has proven he steps up in finals games in the VFL and was best BOG in the loss to Box Hill. Yes he has been in and out lately without playing his best but at the very least he provides a solid body and an in an under player if anything happens to Wallis. We've seen before if Mitch gets hurt then we struggle to get the ball.

You need solid bodies that will tackle and apply pressure in finals, Dale is the least likely to do that just now.

In the ruck is Campbell not available? I believe he is over his corked thigh and was ill last week.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Some very interesting selections coming up. JJ is a huge loss. His run and dash would have been pivotal on the MCG, but if there's anywhere that we have sufficient depth it's in that running HB position.

All things being equal I'd back Minson in. We know he's durable, which Roughy (inj) and Campbell are not. He'll be beaten around the ground, but Minson will compete far greater around stoppages and considering there's statistically a lot more of those during finals his strength, stamina and experience would be handy. I can see Campbell and Boyd tiring and really getting destroyed as the game goes on if we went with either of them.

Probably need to play Talia IMO. I'm not a big fan, but he knows the structures and has played a few solid games in the season, including one v Adelaide on Walker. This then allows us some more like-for-like match-ups with Roberts/Jenkins and Hamling/Lynch, allowing Morris to play on Betts who never gets a kick v Dale. IF we want to back our run, then I'd drop Hamling for Talia and have somebody such as Biggs on Lynch. Joel has had a good season but has struggled a little lately and can't play on Walker or Jenkins.

B: Morris; Talia; Wood
HB: Boyd; Roberts; Murphy
C: Picken; Wallis; Macrae
HF: Dickson; Crameri; Hunter
F: Stringer; Redpath; Honeychurch
R: Minson; Bontempelli; Dahlhaus
Int: Biggs; Hamling; Daniel
Sub: Grant

* If no Hamling, I'd play Jong - but given output, I'd keep Hamling which could allow us to shift Murphy or Biggs up the ground at different stages.

[always right]

In:
Moyd, Murph, Morris, Jong, Campbell

Out:
JJ, Goodes, Webb, Cordy, Roughy

I think they will want to play a runner to replace JJ and Jong is the best choice. Would like to see Will come in but think they will go with Campbell who can be a better mark.

[Ozza]

I think Jong will come in. Dale isn't ready to play finals footy yet, Jong has proven he steps up in finals games in the VFL and was best BOG in the loss to Box Hill. Yes he has been in and out lately without playing his best but at the very least he provides a solid body and an in an under player if anything happens to Wallis. We've seen before if Mitch gets hurt then we struggle to get the ball.

You need solid bodies that will tackle and apply pressure in finals, Dale is the least likely to do that just now.

In the ruck is Campbell not available? I believe he is over his corked thigh and was ill last week.

Campbell IS available. You are correct, he had a bout of gastro last week.

[boydogs]

JJ's a good player but we are overstocked for HBF's. Murphy, Biggs, M Boyd, Wood, Picken, Morris, Hamling all likely to play with Webb & Z Cordy in the side last week

Roughead isn't far ahead of Minson, Campbell or Talia either

[Rocket Science]

Jeez, no Johannisen hurts. We might be well stocked for small-to-mid sized defenders but we'll really miss his run and carry.

On that note, while certainly from left field I could see Bailey Dale relishing some space at the 'G...

[Remi Moses]

Blow losing JJ, but finals have more stoppages than normal and bringing in Will has merit.
Jong I think comes in for his speed ( although he's carrying a leg injury)
In Morris Murph M Boyd Minson Jong
OutJJ Roughy Cordy Webb Goodes

[The Bulldogs Bite]

On that note, while certainly from left field I could see Bailey Dale relishing some space at the 'G...

I like Dale but he's nowhere near ready for a cutthroat AFL final. He'll be a player, but he's proven he needs more time in the VFL.

[Axe Man]

Jeez, no Johannisen hurts. We might be well stocked for small-to-mid sized defenders but we'll really miss his run and carry.

On that note, while certainly from left field I could see Bailey Dale relishing some space at the 'G...

Time and space seems to magically evaporate come finals.

[Go_Dogs]

Time and space seems to magically evaporate come finals.

Hence a player who can find some could be a good inclusion.

[Axe Man]

Bulldogs lose key pair for elimination final (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-08/bulldogs-lose-key-pair-for-elimination-final)

THE WESTERN Bulldogs are set to lose key players Jordan Roughead and Jason Johannisen to injury for Saturday night's elimination final against Adelaide at the MCG.

Roughead sustained a finger injury in the win over North Melbourne in round 22 while Johannisen has a minor calf injury.

"They're two big loses," Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge conceded on Tuesday.

"(Roughead) ripped a tendon off the bone on one of his fingers against the Kangaroos two weeks ago and he's been sore in another couple of areas.

"He's most likely not to play.

"We'll lose Jason Johannisen as well, unfortunately. He's got a minor calf injury."

Once a scarce commodity at Whitten Oval, Beveridge believes the Dogs' newfound depth will again serve them well.

"As we have all year, we've lost players and had boys come in and step up, and this week will be no different," Beveridge said.

"It's a credit to our players and how resilient they've been and young guys coming in and playing their roles."

Out of favour for much of the season, Will Minson looms as a possible replacement for Roughead.

The All Australian ruckman is best credentialed to confront key Crow Sam Jacobs, but he hasn't been sighted at senior level since round 15.

"Between Will, Tommy Campbell, Tommy Boyd and Ayce Cordy, we'll need another ruckman and we'll make that decision later in the week," Beveridge said.

Roughead's absence will also be felt down back, with youngsters Fletcher Roberts and Joel Hamling set for pivotal roles on Adelaide's key forwards Taylor Walker and Josh Jenkins.

The inexperienced duo has only played 28 AFL games between them.

"'Fletch' will be better for last week's run (after injury) and Joel Hamling is tall - between those two and Dale (Morris) and (Easton Wood) helping them out, we'll be OK," Beveridge said.

"(Michael) Talia is also there and he's a wildcard selection."

In better news for the Dogs, skipper Robert Murphy declared himself "ready to go" for the Bulldogs' first finals campaign since 2010.

The 32-year-old missed the loss to the Brisbane Lions with general soreness.

"I've put my name up, (Beveridge) has got to pick me, but I'm expecting to be there," Murphy said.

"I was a little bit proppy last Thursday, but had a run on Sunday and moved freely again."

Beveridge said he was pleased to have the 32-year-old back to add some much needed experience and leadership.

"I was just saying to Bob, (it's a credit) to him, Dale Morris, Easton Wood, Matty Boyd, they've been the core of our backline all year and all around them we've been losing players," he said.

"And with young players coming in and out, that stability has been really crucial for us."

Fellow veterans Boyd and Morris are also near certainties to play in their return from general soreness while the Dogs are confident Stewart Crameri will overcome a corked thigh.

[Rocco Jones]

I haven't updated my team for ages. So here goes....
B: Morris, Roberts, Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Campbell, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Daniel, Honeychurch
Sub: Jong

[always right]

I haven't updated my team for ages. So here goes....
B: Morris, Roberts, Wood
HB: Murphy, Hamling, M.Boyd
C: Hunter, Macrae, Picken
HF: Grant, Crameri, Dahlhaus
F: Stringer, Redpath, Dickson
R: Campbell, Bontempelli, Wallis
I/C: Biggs, Daniel, Honeychurch
Sub: Jong

Agree with your team Rocco although I would have Daniel as sub. He seems to have the ability to get involved creatively in the play immediately whereas I don't think Jong has the same ability.

[LostDoggy]

I think its time is for Minson and Tom Boyd on the big stage, Talia on Taylor.
Minson for Roughy
T Boyd for Cordy
Talia for Hamling or Fletch
M Boyd for Goodes
Murph for JJ


B: Morris; Talia; Wood
HB: Boyd; Hamling ; Murphy
C: Picken; Wallis; Macrae
HF: Dickson; Crameri; Hunter
F: Stringer; Boyd; Redpath
R: Minson; Bontempelli; Dahlhaus
Int: Biggs; Honeychurch; Grant; Daniel

Daniel or honey as sub.

No idea really.

[The Pie Man]

We've tried Darley in JJ's absence before - Landsberger tweeted he might be a chance earlier this week.

I wouldn't, but can you mount a case?

[hujsh]

I wouldn't, but can you mount a case?
Nope

[Rocco Jones]

We've tried Darley in JJ's absence before - Landsberger tweeted he might be a chance earlier this week.

I wouldn't, but can you mount a case?

Dont rate Darley so the answer is no when it comes to him anyway.

JJ out huts us but we also had a bit of small defender overkill with him in the side. At least his loss address some balance (as stated, still a big loss).

[The Underdog]

I'll be wrong, but I'll say
In: Murphy, M. Boyd, Morris, Jong, Campbell
Out: JJ, Roughy, Z.Cordy, Goodes, Webb

Can see the sense in Minson in but it seems unlikely. Could see Webb getting a shot also. I like Jong in as an athletic big bodied mid against the Crows, although his form has been a wild card. Was terrible against West Coast.

[Rocco Jones]

I'll be wrong, but I'll say
In: Murphy, M. Boyd, Morris, Jong, Campbell
Out: JJ, Roughy, Z.Cordy, Goodes, Webb

Can see the sense in Minson in but it seems unlikely. Could see Webb getting a shot also. I like Jong in as an athletic big bodied mid against the Crows, although his form has been a wild card. Was terrible against West Coast.

I have the same side. Jong as sub as I don't trust him getting through a whole game at AFL finals level at the velocity he demands of himself.

[jeemak]

Darley's exposed form hasn't been that bad this year when looking at sheer averages, though those averages come from two games in which we smashed the opposition at the peak of our form.

Looking beyond stats, he had one or two absolute clangers in games - but none worse than what Biggs has delivered in his stint in the seniors this year.

If we were to toss the coin between any of him, Dale and Webb he'd probably get my nod in lieu of what he offers versus what we'll be missing with JJ being left out due to injury (run and ability to find the ball).

My selection preferences kind of align with everyone else's, though because I don't have any semblance of an inkling of what the MC is going to do I'm going to suggest Minson gets a game due to match fitness over Campbell, and Tom Boyd is going to come in for Redpath who would be unlucky to miss on the basis of only being replaced to fulfil a quasi religious pontification.

I really have no idea, and as Forest Gump said, that's all I have to say about that.

[The Underdog]

I have the same side. Jong as sub as I don't trust him getting through a whole game at AFL finals level at the velocity he demands of himself.

I think he'd be an interesting Dangerfield match up at least athletically. Obviously not a match on talent but taggers never are

[The Underdog]

One thing I'll say in favour of Dale is that his ability to kick an important goal in uncanny. Could be an excellent sub candidate

[Templeton31]

Mark Stevens ‏@Stevo7AFL 7m7 minutes ago
Will Minson right in mix at Dogs. Kind of player suited to being "unleashed" .. Dominated coming in fresh v Mumford and GWS after exile ...

[Happy Days]

I think he'd be an interesting Dangerfield match up at least athletically. Obviously not a match on talent but taggers never are

We tried that last year, it did....not work.

[always right]

We tried that last year, it did....not work.

And we don't tag anymore.

[LostDoggy]

Brodie Smith failed to train, would be a handy out as he has really found his All Australian Form the last few weeks after struggling earlier with multiple concussions.

[LostDoggy]

Brodie Smith failed to train, would be a handy out as he has really found his All Australian Form the last few weeks after struggling earlier with multiple concussions.

Absolutely. They are really struggling for defensive matchups I reckon and he is one of few for them who has a bit of size and yet still mobile enough for Stringer/Crameri/Dickson.

This looks like anther game where both forward lines will get some good mismatches and it will all come down to supply and who can get it into their 50 the quickest.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Mark Stevens ‏@Stevo7AFL 7m7 minutes ago
Will Minson right in mix at Dogs. Kind of player suited to being "unleashed" .. Dominated coming in fresh v Mumford and GWS after exile ...

If he doesn't play this week, he'll never play for us again - even if he's on our list next year.

I want him to play. This is the kind of week that suits him, as Stevo touched on.

[LostDoggy]

Will has white line fever at the best of times, but he is a SA native who seems particularly fired up against SA teams. This is a perfect storm for him I reckon. He will dead set have the eyes rolling on Saturday night if he gets picked.

Those first few contests can really set the tone in a final, particularly important for all of our young guys playing their first final.

For mine, Campbell lacks Will's physicality and hasn't played for 3 weeks. If I were Sam Jacobs, I know who I would rather be crashing into.

It's time for Will.

[Cyberdoggie]

Darley's exposed form hasn't been that bad this year when looking at sheer averages, though those averages come from two games in which we smashed the opposition at the peak of our form.

Looking beyond stats, he had one or two absolute clangers in games - but none worse than what Biggs has delivered in his stint in the seniors this year.

.

I think the writing is already on the wall for Darley i'm afraid.
Turns the ball over far too much.
Bevo comes from the Hawthorn school of thought that your skills have to be precise and clean under pressure, this is a clear with the
players we have drafted last year.

After that game a few weeks back where 9 out of his first 10 disposals were turnovers I think that was the end for him and was promptly omitted after one of our best wins for the season.

[LostDoggy]

I'm all for unleashing Will. Get some rabbits ready before the game!

[LostDoggy]

11.5 hours until the side is announced.


Please pick Will.

[Mofra]

I think the writing is already on the wall for Darley i'm afraid.
Turns the ball over far too much.
Bevo comes from the Hawthorn school of thought that your skills have to be precise and clean under pressure, this is a clear with the
players we have drafted last year.
If you compare his output to Biggs it seems comparable - until you take into account Biggs runs the ball more and takes higher risk, longer options constantly (much braver in his disposal) while Darley takes shorter, safe options.

Darley is "ok" as a footballer but if we need to make a hard call and cull three his name will be raised.

[Ghost Dog]

Replacing JJ is really quite hard. Massive out. All the focus is on Stringer and our Three pronged forward line, but JJ is the guy who very often gets the ball rolling.

Lin Jong as stated is a wild-card. He goes missing in some games. Players are often judged on their worst decisions, and not their best.

Adelaide are 1# in league for centre clearances. For this reason a bigger bodied player like Jong could help out muscle their first ball getters.

[Greystache]

Almost every reporter has touched on the ruck issue this week. Bevo will have a plan.
Replacing JJ is really quite hard. Massive out. Who is the fastest runner on our list?

Lin Jong as stated is a wild-card. He goes missing in some games.

Adelaide are 1# in league for centre clearances. For this reason a bigger bodied player like Jong could help out muscle their first ball getters.

Lin Jong

[Ghost Dog]

Lin Jong

Interesting. Hope he uses his speed a bit more. Not noted as a 'line breaker'.

[G-Mo77]

Interesting. Hope he uses his speed a bit more. Not noted as a 'line breaker'.

It was really noticeable how quick he is early in the season. Not sure what happened with injury and post injury but hasn't looked close to that form he had.

[soupman]

Interesting. Hope he uses his speed a bit more. Not noted as a 'line breaker'.

He is less of a run the lines type and more of a "try and explode away from the contest" type.

[1eyedog]

Lin Jong

It was Dahl over Stringer over Jong during preaseason sprints.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I wouldn't be playing Jong.

His form has been horrible after his injury v Swans, and his positioning around stoppages/clearances extremely poor defensively. Against a side like Adelaide who have excellent clearance players (Danger, Sloane, Thompson) we can't afford Jong's mistakes IMO.

[bornadog]

I wouldn't be playing Jong.

His form has been horrible after his injury v Swans, and his positioning around stoppages/clearances extremely poor defensively. Against a side like Adelaide who have excellent clearance players (Danger, Sloane, Thompson) we can't afford Jong's mistakes IMO.

I tend to agree, I haven't been happy with Jong for most of the season.

[LostDoggy]

Apparently Jong looked a bit proppy on the weekend, favouring one leg, and also heard he didn't train with main group on Tuesday. Has lacked his explosive qualities since coming back from his injury. Would be a surprise from mine.

[Greystache]

I wouldn't be playing Jong.

His form has been horrible after his injury v Swans, and his positioning around stoppages/clearances extremely poor defensively. Against a side like Adelaide who have excellent clearance players (Danger, Sloane, Thompson) we can't afford Jong's mistakes IMO.

It's a valid concern, but he's also really lifted for finals previously. I think he'll get the call up into a midfield that's a bit light on.

[bornadog]

Prediction:

In: Murphy, Boyd, Morris, Minson

out: Cordy, Goodes, JJ, Roughy

Knowing Bevo will pull a surprise

[LostDoggy]

Prediction:

In: Murphy, Boyd, Morris, Minson

out: Cordy, Goodes, JJ, Roughy

Knowing Bevo will pull a surprise

Got the same 22 as you BAD.

Only one I'm not sold on for this match is Webb, but can't see a logical replacement.

The only thing that will surprise though is no surprises.

[Greystache]

My prediction:

In: Murphy, Boyd, Jong, Morris, Minson

Out: Cordy, Goodes, Webb, JJ, Roughy

[Ozza]

I won't make a prediction....because with Bevo - he might not pick a ruckman at all, he might debut someone, he might play Stringer at Centre Half Back....and it will probably work!

Waiting for the announcement with anticipation...

[divvydan]

Official

In: Murphy M Boyd, Minson, Morris, Jong
Out: Goodes, Roughead, Johannisen, Webb, Z Cordy.

[Ozza]

Seems to logical to be true!!

Probably would have preferred Hrovat to Jong...but can understand the reasons for including Jongy.

[Templeton31]

Welcome Back Big Will!!!!!!

[Ozza]

Crows have Cheney and Mackay IN; Lever and Lyons OUT

[LostDoggy]

Wrapt for Will. Can't wait for the energy he brings to the first bounce. Perfect scenario, he lands Jacobs on his butt in the opening 2 seconds.

[comrade]

Some good ins for Footscray with Webb, Cordy and Goodes going back.

[Mantis]

Some good ins for Footscray with Webb, Cordy and Goodes going back.

As well as McLean, Hrovat, Campbell & Boyd.

It feels strange not be questioning selections this week as it makes sense.. Can't wait to game time.

[chef]

Official

In: Murphy M Boyd, Minson, Morris, Jong
Out: Goodes, Roughead, Johannisen, Webb, Z Cordy.

Great stuff.

[azabob]

Great changes. Really happy with all the IN's.

[Bulldog4life]

Official

In: Murphy M Boyd, Minson, Morris, Jong
Out: Goodes, Roughead, Johannisen, Webb, Z Cordy.

Very happy with selections

[Mantis]

Crows have Cheney and Mackay IN; Lever and Lyons OUT

Geez I hope they have brought in Kyle to play on Jake. ;)

[Remi Moses]

Surprised the crows didn't play Lever.
Cheney can play on the talls, but has had his pants pulled down .
Big job for Will

[azabob]

Obviously a great opportunity for Minson.

I hope he brings aggression to the game, but somehow manages not to give too many silly free kicks away - which we all know he has a tendency to do.

[bulldogtragic]

Minno!!!!

[jeemak]

Great effort for Will and Jong to earn a senior spot this week.

On the latter I hope his development has been sufficient for his decision making and disposal not to be exposed under finals pressure (let's be honest, players going into their first final with more credentials have been). Full credit to him for his progress to date, I'd love to see him prove to himself that he is of the grade with a good performance this week, as I feel he is now just only a few mental steps away from being a consistent player and ironing out the areas of his game that expose him.

[Eastdog]

Great to see Mino back and our experience heads in there. Just what was needed.

[Doc26]

Geez I hope they have brought in Kyle to play on Jake. ;)

Just another Kyle of theirs that Jake can add to his trophy list.

[Throughandthrough]

we need to do is pressure Hartigan. If he makes an early mistake he goes to water. I've never seen a defender look more scared and tentative in an afl match in my life.

[The Underdog]

That is by far the most sensible, semi predictable group of selections in I don't know how long

[boydogs]

Minson & Jong in tells me we are expecting a highly contested and repeat stoppage style of game
Probably a good call for a final

[Dancin' Douggy]

It was the plan all along. Cage the monster. Torture it. Starve it. Poke it with sticks.
And when we really really need it. Let it loose upon the infidels.

[Dancin' Douggy]

That is as solid a bunch of 'ins' as you'll ever see.

[LostDoggy]

That is as solid a bunch of 'ins' as you'll ever see.

I dunno... Freo's ins look ok!

[azabob]

Just on Jong, he is a proven finals player at VFL level, so I guess, why not, lets see if he can rise to the occasion on the big stage.

[Ghost Dog]

It was the plan all along. Cage the monster. Torture it. Starve it. Poke it with sticks.
And when we really really need it. Let it loose upon the infidels.

Post of the day - Hilarious. Just hope Minno doesn't start sledging or belt anyone when he Hulks out.

[The Underdog]

Post of the day - Hilarious. Just hope Minno doesn't start sledging or belt anyone when he Hulks out.

Yeah he should probably keep his mouth shut. His sledging form isn't strong

[always right]

Very very happy

[LostDoggy]

Jack Redpath is the key Saturday Night.

I have no doubt Cheney will start on Redpath, It's how Cheney has always been used and when he plays his best footy. Talia will start on Stringer.

Redpath has had some smaller opponents this season and hasn't really been able to dominate them. If he can get on top early it could throw a huge spanner in the works.

[F'scary]

WOOFers worrying about Minson's mouth should just relax - there aren't any issues around that could possibly get him into trouble.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I dunno... Freo's ins look ok!

They ain't got Bob.

[LostDoggy]

Our back three plus big will Optimus totally primed Minson. I'm a happy man. Tear it up will!

[Twodogs]

Who are the emergencies?

[divvydan]

Who are the emergencies?

T.Boyd, Talia and Dale

[1eyedog]

Jack Redpath is the key Saturday Night.

I have no doubt Cheney will start on Redpath, It's how Cheney has always been used and when he plays his best footy. Talia will start on Stringer.

Redpath has had some smaller opponents this season and hasn't really been able to dominate them. If he can get on top early it could throw a huge spanner in the works.

Is Talia quick / dexterous enough? He better be cause Jakey has some serious wheels over 10 metres.

[Ghost Dog]

Who knows, could be his last foray with the club. wonder if he is considering his options? I get the point about circumstance playing a part in his selection, but it's only one factor. You have to be fit, ready, and part of the team. We are lucky to have him as an option.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Feeling much more confident now.

Can't believe they dropped Lever for Cheney!

[LostDoggy]

Feeling much more confident now.

Can't believe they dropped Lever for Cheney!

Lever has been terrific, but he's a skinny teenager whose body has probably just had enough for the year. Inexplicable otherwise.

Their defence looks really vulnerable, we've just got to get it in there enough.

[ratsmac]

Great team selection this week. Safe team selectionthis week!

I love the inclusion of Minson. It's almost gutsy from the MC considering they have opted for others during the season which has been successful. However Minson is our best ruckman without a doubt and it's no secret that it has been his mobility that has been an issue. The opposing ruckman running off him and linking up has cost him his spot coupled with giving away silly free kicks (from what I could tell anyway). Jacobs ain't the quickest across the ground so he it's a pretty good match up and one I am not concerned about (for a change). This match up will help our mids with first use which will go a long way if we are to win this match. Minson can pinch a goal or 2 given the chance as well.

Jong's inclusion is a little bit daring considering he hasn't been exactly tearing the door down for a call up. If he has been bought in to nullify Dangerfield it makes sense but good luck. I suppose it frees up Wallis from having to go toe to toe with him. At least with Jong you know he'll hit the contest hard. He can break a line which could be important if it's a tight contest.

This would be our strongest team with what is available to us giving us the best chance to win. Match Committee have got this one spot on in my opinion.

#gatherthepack

[jazzadogs]

Jong's inclusion is a little bit daring considering he hasn't been exactly tearing the door down for a call up. If he has been bought in to nullify Dangerfield it makes sense but good luck. I suppose it frees up Wallis from having to go toe to toe with him. At least with Jong you know he'll hit the contest hard. He can break a line which could be important if it's a tight contest.

#gatherthepack

I don't recall Jong ever playing an effective shut down game. His best games have been when he has played effective line breaking football, working hard from defence to attack to utilise his aerial ability. IMO if we have brought him in to play shut down on Danger then we are not playing to his strengths.

[ratsmac]

I don't recall Jong ever playing an effective shut down game. His best games have been when he has played effective line breaking football, working hard from defence to attack to utilise his aerial ability. IMO if we have brought him in to play shut down on Danger then we are not playing to his strengths.

I totally agree with you. That's why I say good luck at nullifying Danger, but you still gotta try! Otherwise he will hurt you big time. It's Jong's bigger body at the contest that we need not allowing Dangerfield to waltz out with the ball at will. We need to be accountable for Dangerfield whilst keeping him accountable also. That's where we need Jong using his pace from the contest as well.

[bornadog]

I would love to have seen TBoyd in. If he tears up the VFL then he can play next week against the Hawks

[jazzadogs]

I just can't wait to see Will charge in at the opening bounce, knees up and do some damage!

Although knowing our starts this year, it will just as likely be Jacobs down Danger's throat and straight in for a goal.

[bornadog]

I just can't wait to see Will charge in at the opening bounce, knees up and do some damage!

Although knowing our starts this year, it will just as likely be Jacobs down Danger's throat and straight in for a goal.
i really want us to belt this team.

[Go_Dogs]

Pretty happy with the selected side, will be interesting to see who the sub is.

Hopefully we can really get our running game up early and put pressure on their defence. We should have enough options in our forward line if we're smart with how we move the ball.

We will have some tough match ups in defence too, so we need to really have our whole team, men of mayhem defence going to limit the amount of easy ball they get. Jenkins has a knack of finding himself deep, one out and he's going to be too tall in the contest for our blokes. Eddie Betts loves getting goal side too. We're going to have to talk and be smart with our structures and working back, switching match ups.

[Sedat]

Feeling much more confident now.

Can't believe they dropped Lever for Cheney!
I'd expect to see Lever back in the side if Brodie Smith doesn't come up

[Ozza]

That is by far the most sensible, semi predictable group of selections in I don't know how long

I know....its a worry isn't it...

[Raw Toast]

That is by far the most sensible, semi predictable group of selections in I don't know how long


I know....its a worry isn't it...

Definitely a concern :p, but I'm expecting Beveridge to rectify things with another late change or three before the bounce, just to keep everyone on their toes...

[josie]

I reckon Jong might be sub - thinking being he comes when others tire. Otherwise might be Grant who has been a bit down on form since his broken nose, or Caleb. I really hope it is not Caleb - with his smart disposal would love to see him start.

[Murphy'sLore]

I'm with you, Josie, would prefer Jong as the sub.

[Axe Man]

I'd expect to see Lever back in the side if Brodie Smith doesn't come up

Unfortunate news:

"Brodie Smith got through & has ticked all the boxes. He moved well today & he'll play." - Asst Coach David Teague

[Greystache]

Agree the selections look too sensible, but there's always a chance for some left field wackiness.

I'm tipping Minson to be the sub :)

[comrade]

Minson to FB, Jong to ruck.

[always right]

Reckon Jong has been brought in for "third man up" duties. If I'm right he won't be sub.

[Happy Days]

Talia went to Jake after the 6th goal, so he kept him goalless for about 3 minutes (?) - good job Dan! He has to start on him, I think he might not be quick enough to go with him flat out, but (unlike his brother) is smart enough to cut his angles and stop him from getting to as much space as otherwise; his game on Buddy earlier this year was pretty impressive in this regard. Plus they don't have any other defender that looks capable of not being horribly exposed by a player like Jake. Their defenders are lucky they play for Adelaide and not against them!

The more I look at it the more I don't get that Cheney selection. Especially for Lever, Hartigan as an AFL player mystifies me every time I see him play, and I was convinced his ankles (and the rest of his body) was still attached to the right flank at the Footscray End of Etihad.

Seriously what's the play here? Were they worried that Lever's strengths of zoning off/looking awesome would not translate to a good defensive game against a dangerous opponent in (all likelihood) Crameri? I would have backed him in to follow instruction and outperform an extremely known and limited quantity in Cheney.

But hey, bully for us. The dourness of their back 6 makes containing Smith (and sorta Henderson) that much more important. Hopefully Dickson and Crameri can get off the chain.

[Sedat]

Reckon the winner tomorrow night will have the Hawks for company the following week. Word is that there are a number of banged up Hawks who are really struggling to get to the line - if so, I can't see them getting close to West Coke tonight. Nic Nat didn't play last time and his inclusion alone will be massive.

Hawks are ridiculously short for the flag IMO - they needed the home QF to be as short as they are in the betting. I like our chances against them in a SF if we are good enough to get over the line tomorrow night against the Crows.

[Mantis]

Hawks are ridiculously short for the flag IMO - they needed the home QF to be as short as they are in the betting. I like our chances against them in a SF if we are good enough to get over the line tomorrow night against the Crows.

Old team, big ground and wet/heavy conditions will play into our favour if results go as described.. I hope they belt the shit out of each other tonight.

[Axe Man]

Reckon the winner tomorrow night will have the Hawks for company the following week. Word is that there are a number of banged up Hawks who are really struggling to get to the line - if so, I can't see them getting close to West Coke tonight. Nic Nat didn't play last time and his inclusion alone will be massive.

Hawks are ridiculously short for the flag IMO - they needed the home QF to be as short as they are in the betting. I like our chances against them in a SF if we are good enough to get over the line tomorrow night against the Crows.

Smith and Gunston in doubt for the Hawks, but Priddis in doubt for the Eagles. Would be a massive blow to the Eagles if Priddis doesn't get up, especially with Masten missing as well.

[Ozza]

Priddis out is massive.

[LostDoggy]

Old team, big ground and wet/heavy conditions will play into our favour if results go as described.. I hope they belt the shit out of each other tonight.

Perfect outcome for this weekend (looks possible):

- We win well.

- Hawthorn and WCE belt into each other in heavy and slippery conditions. After numerous injuries and reports to both teams, WCE kick several late goals to pull away from a beaten Hawks team.

- Freo put away a clearly cooked Swans outfit early and coast through the last half, leaving their 14 ins without a decent hitout in a month before meeting us in a fortnight.

- Ric v NM; whatever.

[boydogs]

Old team, big ground and wet/heavy conditions will play into our favour if results go as described.. I hope they belt the shit out of each other tonight.

I reckon they will, the Hawks will bring the unsociable footy to compensate for aging legs and will be desperate to get the week off & home PF

[Greystache]

Perfect outcome for this weekend (looks possible):

- We win well.

- Hawthorn and WCE belt into each other in heavy and slippery conditions. After numerous injuries and reports to both teams, WCE kick several late goals to pull away from a beaten Hawks team.

- Freo put away a clearly cooked Swans outfit early and coast through the last half, leaving their 14 ins without a decent hitout in a month before meeting us in a fortnight.

- Ric v NM; whatever.

I'd be happier to see a depleted Sydney team lift for one final hurrah to snatch a victory from Fremantle before running out of legs and crashing in a heap in the prelim. Whoever won out of the hypothetical Hawks vs Dogs semi would be licking their lips.

[Ozza]

I'd be happier to see a depleted Sydney team lift for one final hurrah to snatch a victory from Fremantle before running out of legs and crashing in a heap in the prelim. Whoever won out of the hypothetical Hawks vs Dogs semi would be licking their lips.

Fair point.

Interesting scenario with Freo. Win tomorrow - and many of their players will be going into the prelim for their 2nd game in about a 4 week period. For Fyfe and 1 or 2 others - even longer.
No idea if this is a good or a bad thing for their players. Probably affects individual players differently.

I know that the Essendon players of 1990 (I know its a different era) talk about the drawn Collingwood v West Coast game, and subsequent replay of the prelim, as being a factor in them losing in 1990, as they had limited footy in September.

[LostDoggy]

I'd be happier to see a depleted Sydney team lift for one final hurrah to snatch a victory from Fremantle before running out of legs and crashing in a heap in the prelim. Whoever won out of the hypothetical Hawks vs Dogs semi would be licking their lips.

Fair call.

I'm just figuring a winning Swans team would only be stronger in 2 weeks, whereas Freo's light lead in might mean that a cruisy match here and another week off could actually work against them.

[Sedat]

- Freo put away a clearly cooked Swans outfit early and coast through the last half, leaving their 14 ins without a decent hitout in a month before meeting us in a fortnight.
Your Freo coasting home scenario is highly likely, but I'd much prefer the Swans to get up. That would place us on the Swans PF side of the draw - granted the game would be in Sydney (ANZ Stadium I believe) but that's a million times more preferable than travelling to Perth. Would also mean that Freo and West Coke probably slug it out in Perth in the other PF and bash the absolute suitcase out of each other - winner of that match would be pretty banged up going to the big dance.

[Ozza]

Gee a Freo v WCE prelim. That would be the biggest game in history in Perth.

[bulldogtragic]

With the power of hindsight, Honeychurch starting and Daniel warming the pine for 3 quarters... Perhaps not the best move. Thank god that's our last ever AFL game with a sub and we can go back to having 4 on the interchange.