Daniel Chick

[LostDoggy]

Haven't bothered to read the article, but Daniel Chick has apparently told all about toxic drug culture at WCE in mid 2000s.

Chooses Grand Final week to come forth, first year Eagles have made it since the 'glory years'. Maximising attention for himself without regard for those at the club preparing for their biggest week in years. Mustn't be satisfied with the damage already done.

Stay classy Daniel.

[Greystache]

He'd be doing it for the pay day and probably thinks this is the week he could cash in most. From what I understand Chick would have to sneak onto a bus for lack of ability to rustle up the money for a fare.

You stay classy Daniel :D

[Ghost Dog]

Interesting article in Theage about how Weagles lesser lights got them their last premiership and are often overlooked in the narrative. Injury-prone forward Ash Hansen was mentioned.

[azabob]

#stayclassydaniel

[Twodogs]

He's looking well isn't he? Finishing football has been sensational for him.

[lemmon]

This line from the HUN made me chortle "The ex-Eagle has decided to go public after more than a year of private discussions with the Herald Sun". The paper would have had a huge say in when this all came to light, no doubt Chick is after maximum exposure but it takes two to tango

[Throughandthrough]

Essendon will be happy re this and the Worsfold connection. #not

[KT31]

Chick = Huge tool.
What a selfish act to bring it up this week by both the Hun and Chick.(almost on the Talia scale)

[The Pie Man]

Buried half was through the sensationalism of The Age piece was a concession about Prednisone use, stating it's a banned drug. Does that mean just today, or in 06 as well?

If that was banned at the time, isn't THAT the story? A direct admission to use of a banned drug in season.

[Ozza]

We all knew WCE had a bad drug culture...but pretty significant to have confirmed that club (presumably) doctors, were issuing out prednisone and other prescription/non-prescription drug en masse.

If Chick is saying that what they were taking made them feel invincible/not feel anything etc. Its hard to see how this wasn't cheating.

They beat us in a final that year.

[KT31]

Buried half was through the sensationalism of The Age piece was a concession about Prednisone use, stating it's a banned drug. Does that mean just today, or in 06 as well?

If that was banned at the time, isn't THAT the story? A direct admission to use of a banned drug in season.

Can't see what prednisone would do as its an anti-inflammatory and immune suppressant drug not an anabolic steroid. Prednisone will not help you build muscle mass,its is more likely to increase risk of infection, viruses etc., weaken muscle mass and bones.

[The Pie Man]

Can't see what prednisone would do as its an anti-inflammatory and immune suppressant drug not an anabolic steroid. Prednisone will not help you build muscle mass,its is more likely to increase risk of infection, viruses etc., weaken muscle mass and bones.

Could it boost your red cell count?

Very interested if it was considered banned in 06 - if so, that's the story right there.

[Ghost Dog]

Can't see Mr Chick being invited to too many Eagles functions in the future.
Quite a few of the posters here are having a go at Daniel Chick. Let's not forget, Mainwearing died from a DO.
Counsin's brain is fried. Direct or secondary influence, WC haven't ever really had to front the AFL to explain their side.
Regardless of Chick's blatant self interest, with the Essendon saga still simmering away, it's hard to see how Eagles can be overlooked.

[Twodogs]

Could it boost your red cell count?

Very interested if it was considered banned in 06 - if so, that's the story right there.


The story says that he, Cousins and Kerr had medical exemptions from WADA due to their asthma but then goes on to say they never used it therapeutically but binged on it before during and after games.

[KT31]

Could it boost your red cell count?

Very interested if it was considered banned in 06 - if so, that's the story right there.

I believe it does raise the red cell count, but from what I know it is predominately in older female users.

[Topdog]

Subscriber article. Can anyone post it?

Disappointing that the story has turned around onto Chick and the timing of the release. Maximum exposure here is a good thing.

The Eagles were a disgrace during the whole period and Worsfold apparently not knowing anything about it is rubbish.

[The Pie Man]

The story says that he, Cousins and Kerr had medical exemptions from WADA due to their asthma but then goes on to say they never used it therapeutically but binged on it before during and after games.

Thanks for clarifying - assuming that was in the (known Hawks fan) Panahi article? I only read The Age piece.

[bornadog]

The Eagles were a disgrace during the whole period and Worsfold apparently not knowing anything about it is rubbish.

Will fit into Essendon nicely

[Remi Moses]

Wow ! Footballers took more than caffeine tablets ?
Breaking news ....... The earth is reportedly not flat

[KT31]

From all reports at the time, Chick was allegedly one of the main ring leaders and it was a lot more than prescription drugs.

[bornadog]

From all reports at the time, Chick was allegedly one of the main ring leaders and it was a lot more than prescription drugs.

I wonder if he did anything like that at The Hawks

[Bulldog Joe]

I wonder if he did anything like that at The Hawks

The article gives accolades to the culture at Hawthorn and suggests that the drug issue did not arise until he went to West Coast.

[KT31]

I wonder if he did anything like that at The Hawks


The article gives accolades to the culture at Hawthorn and suggests that the drug issue did not arise until he went to West Coast.

No club would have been exempt from drug use today or in Chicks day.

[Bulldog Joe]

No club would have been exempt from drug use today or in Chicks day.

That is true, but the difference inferred by the article is that Hawthorn were concerned with player welfare, while West Coast flagrantly ignored and in fact facilitated the use of various drugs.

[KT31]

That is true, but the difference inferred by the article is that Hawthorn were concerned with player welfare, while West Coast flagrantly ignored and in fact facilitated the use of various drugs.

Wouldn't need to be a long bow to suggest that's why he was traded out of the club.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Wow ! Footballers took more than caffeine tablets ?
Breaking news ....... The earth is reportedly not flat

Just wondering if you think this would have/does include the Western Bulldogs. An Essendon supporter friend claimed they are hard done by because they admitted to something many clubs would do but not admit.

[Bulldog Joe]

Wouldn't need to be a long bow to suggest that's why he was traded out of the club.

Would be a long bow.

Chick requested the trade to be with his family after the sudden death of his brother due to anaphylactic shock. His wife of the time tried vainly to get him to stay in Melbourne and Hawthorn were reluctant but agreed to trade him.

This was also well documented at the time of the trade.

[Twodogs]

Thanks for clarifying - assuming that was in the (known Hawks fan) Panahi article? I only read The Age piece.

No worries. I am amused to see ripper Rita's foray into 'real' journalism after all her righteous indignance about other clubs is an expose on a former Hawthorn player. I'm suprised to see the Hawks survived her searching probe of their culture unscathed.

[EasternWest]

I believe it does raise the red cell count, but from what I know it is predominately in older female users.

Well he is an old Chick.

Don't bother, I'll see myself out.

So disappointing to read articles like this. I don't know what the fix is, but it does bring me down.

[Ghost Dog]

Just wondering if you think this would have/does include the Western Bulldogs. An Essendon supporter friend claimed they are hard done by because they admitted to something many clubs would do but not admit.

Some North players were on the 'pink lady' during recovery for the Grand Final replay V Collingwood in 70 whatever. Krackers is on record as saying so. Pink lady is morphine and something else.

I'm not big on details as you can tell.

[KT31]

Would be a long bow.

Chick requested the trade to be with his family after the sudden death of his brother due to anaphylactic shock. His wife of the time tried vainly to get him to stay in Melbourne and Hawthorn were reluctant but agreed to trade him.

This was also well documented at the time of the trade.

Was forgetting this, thanks for the reminder.

[Twodogs]

Some North players were on the 'pink lady' during recovery for the Grand Final replay V Collingwood in 70 whatever. Krackers is on record as saying so. Pink lady is morphine and something else.

I'm not big on details as you can tell.


Pink lady's are the pink Morphine tablets. There are other colours denoting different strengths, I've forgotten them now, but pink was about mid strength and the most popular.

[GVGjr]

Can't see Mr Chick being invited to too many Eagles functions in the future.
Quite a few of the posters here are having a go at Daniel Chick. Let's not forget, Mainwearing died from a DO.
Counsin's brain is fried. Direct or secondary influence, WC haven't ever really had to front the AFL to explain their side.
Regardless of Chick's blatant self interest, with the Essendon saga still simmering away, it's hard to see how Eagles can be overlooked.

It's being wise after the event though. It certainly needs to be said but where was he when the likes of Dale Lewis raised the issue or when Akermanis challenge the accelerated development of players. Both of these guys were crucified for expressing their opinions.

Lets hope the AFL investigate this properly.

[merantau]

The timing of this leaves a lot to be desired. Would have been far better to have come out when the spotlight was first shone into the dark corners where the cockroaches, that planned and plotted Essendon's experimental peptide and supplements programme, congregated.
Will be interesting to see the AFL's response. "Shoot the messenger" is one phrase that springs to mind.

[Topdog]

The timing of this leaves a lot to be desired. Would have been far better to have come out when the spotlight was first shone into the dark corners where the cockroaches, that planned and plotted Essendon's experimental peptide and supplements programme, congregated.
Will be interesting to see the AFL's response. "Shoot the messenger" is one phrase that springs to mind.

From the sounds of things Chick still had a drug addiction at that time.

Yep shoot the messenger will be the play here.

[jeemak]

I find it laughable that anyone takes what Chick says with anything other than a grain of salt.

I also find it laughable that anyone thinks a season or two of outstanding performance can be maintained by senior players completely strung out on drugs like this story presents they were.

Smashing drugs to the regimented extent this guy claims is over and above what anyone can get away with. I'm calling bullshit of the highest order on this one.

[Remi Moses]

Chick sounds bitter and twisted to be honest .
If west coast did what he alleged it's a wonder nobody had a heart attack or a stroke .

[Remi Moses]

I find it laughable that anyone takes what Chick says with anything other than a grain of salt.

I also find it laughable that anyone thinks a season or two of outstanding performance can be maintained by senior players completely strung out on drugs like this story presents they were.

Smashing drugs to the regimented extent this guy claims is over and above what anyone can get away with. I'm calling bullshit of the highest order on this one.

Daniel Chick should assume some responsibility for his own actions

[Sedat]

Chick sounds bitter and twisted to be honest .
If west coast did what he alleged it's a wonder nobody had a heart attack or a stroke .
Chad Fletcher did go into cardiac arrest in Vegas one off-season and was a whisker away from death.

[1eyedog]

Fletcher did and to be honest if this was put in front of WADA they would be nailed on circumstantial evidence on its own. Underworld figures saying they supplied masking drugs to Cousins, a number of Eagles players (Kerr / Aaron Edwards) heard buying Special K on phone transcripts, Gardiner allegedly dumping his car because he was rocking on Coke, Mainwaring falling over on a cocktail of drugs and then there's the whole underworld connection.

The alleged masking drugs that were supplied by the underworld are where most elite sportspersons source their drugs, they are top line and will mask most of the souped-up heavy prescription (and highly illegal) performance enhancers.

I think Chick is more right than wrong.

[Ghost Dog]

I find it laughable that anyone takes what Chick says with anything other than a grain of salt.

I also find it laughable that anyone thinks a season or two of outstanding performance can be maintained by senior players completely strung out on drugs like this story presents they were.

Smashing drugs to the regimented extent this guy claims is over and above what anyone can get away with. I'm calling bullshit of the highest order on this one.

Why?

If I am correct, your argument in this post is his claims are exaggerated. Yes they took drugs, but no, not to that extent.

[Twodogs]

I find it laughable that anyone takes what Chick says with anything other than a grain of salt.

I also find it laughable that anyone thinks a season or two of outstanding performance can be maintained by senior players completely strung out on drugs like this story presents they were.

Smashing drugs to the regimented extent this guy claims is over and above what anyone can get away with. I'm calling bullshit of the highest order on this one.


You're saying he would have dropped? I tend to agree.

[Topdog]

Fletcher did and to be honest if this was put in front of WADA they would be nailed on circumstantial evidence on its own. Underworld figures saying they supplied masking drugs to Cousins, a number of Eagles players (Kerr / Aaron Edwards) heard buying Special K on phone transcripts, Gardiner allegedly dumping his car because he was rocking on Coke, Mainwaring falling over on a cocktail of drugs and then there's the whole underworld connection.

All of this has either been largely speculated on for a number of years or admitted to as being true. Why are we doubting what Chick says??

[1eyedog]

All of this has either been largely speculated on for a number of years or admitted to as being true. Why are we doubting what Chick says??

I've heard so many things I need to be convinced its not true.

[jeemak]

Why?

If I am correct, your argument in this post is his claims are exaggerated. Yes they took drugs, but no, not to that extent.

I don't think he's proved himself to be of reliable character over the course of the years. That's just from picking up bits and pieces in the media since he retired, and getting the impression he's genuinely washed up and probably a little effed in the head.

Smashing coke, amphetamines, booze and pills in your spare time and playing league football under the level of medication he claims to have doesn't seem like a realistic proposition to me. It wouldn't take long for something to give way and the wheels to fall off, which didn't happen for quite some time.

[jeemak]

You're saying he would have dropped? I tend to agree.

Yes, or at the very least not kept up.

It's really hard to keep things together under the circumstances he's claiming existed.

[Twodogs]

Yes, or at the very least not kept up.

It's really hard to keep things together under the circumstances he's claiming existed.

On the other hand you get in that real sickness mindset where saying no isn't an option. But I still think if he was smashing it the way he says he was with the full gamut of substances he claims then at the very least he'd be a brain fried drooling mess.

[Ghost Dog]

On the other hand you get in that real sickness mindset where saying no isn't an option. But I still think if he was smashing it the way he says he was with the full gamut of substances he claims then at the very least he'd be a brain fried drooling mess.

Not like Ben Cousins, I guess.

[LostDoggy]

This line from the HUN made me chortle "The ex-Eagle has decided to go public after more than a year of private discussions with the Herald Sun". The paper would have had a huge say in when this all came to light, no doubt Chick is after maximum exposure but it takes two to tango
The discussions were certainly around how much cash was changing hands. Truckloads of grains of salt.

We all knew WCE had a bad drug culture...but pretty significant to have confirmed that club (presumably) doctors, were issuing out prednisone and other prescription/non-prescription drug en masse.

If Chick is saying that what they were taking made them feel invincible/not feel anything etc. Its hard to see how this wasn't cheating.

They beat us in a final that year.
They absolutely demolished us. We weren't ready for it, plain and simple.