The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

[bulldogtragic]

I'd want something in the high teens for Stevens, we saw last week what he is at his best and he takes on more responsibility now without Wally

Sorry, Jong for the GCS pick. Stevens 20-25, or a multi club trade that nets us a win (ie Hurley).

[bulldogtragic]

Can I ask why you want him specifically to be traded?

Currency. To get something of value, we need to offer something of value. We have his sort in bountiful supply, and at some point we need to trade for need. We won't get a decent player/pick offering Jong & Hamling around. It's not personal with him, he's the obvious choice to me, he's also not contracted for 2017.

[jeemak]

I tend to agree with the thinking. We can't expect to secure value by dishing up ordinary and or inexperienced players.

[lemmon]

Currency. To get something of value, we need to offer something of value. We have his sort in bountiful supply, and at some point we need to trade for need. We won't get a decent player/pick offering Jong & Hamling around. It's not personal with him, he's the obvious choice to me, he's also not contracted for 2017.

Does cap space have a say in it too? When Libba is playing in the forward pocket we've clearly got too many inside mids. Jong is probably worth 250k on the market, Kobe is 450k...that extra 200k is a lot to justify when we have such a glut of inside mids.

[bulldogtragic]

Does cap space have a say in it too? When Libba is playing in the forward pocket we've clearly got too many inside mids. Jong is probably worth 250k on the market, Kobe is 450k...that extra 200k is a lot to justify when we have such a glut of inside mids.

Exactly. Say the rumours re true that Hurley is interested, but gets offers much, much over ours (as per Richmonds alleged offer). If we get something good for Kobe, and the salary space to be Hurley's destination (even if a little less than Richmond) then that's a huge win. We desperately need an AA KPD and could get one, we don't desperately need Koby. It's not a nice thing to talk about cutting guys, but we all knew when stockpiling inside mids that we would need to trade one or two eventually.

[bulldogtragic]

Where's Matty Boyd at? Is he an instant extension right now?

[GVGjr]

Where's Matty Boyd at? Is he an instant extension right now?

You know, it's going to be hard to be realistic with the ins and outs for next year. We are just having too many LT injuries to consider before making the decisions.

My gut feel is if he wants to stay he should stay. His form has been good enough

[bornadog]

Where's Matty Boyd at? Is he an instant extension right now?

I know he is still playing well as is Moz, but at some stage they are going to slow down. Both turn 34 this year.

[GVGjr]

I know he is still playing well as is Moz, but at some stage they are going to slow down. Both turn 34 this year.

The plan was to rest Morris, Boyd and Murphy this year but our revolving door with injuries to players meant that Morris and Boyd have played a few games more than expected and have done well.

Do you think we would be better, worse or about the same on the ladder if we had moved them on last year?

[bornadog]

The plan was to rest Morris, Boyd and Murphy this year but our revolving door with injuries to players meant that Morris and Boyd have played a few games more than expected and have done well.

Do you think we would be better, worse or about the same on the ladder if we had moved them on last year?

They have been terrific. I think we would have been worse without them.

It is hard to tell when these players should be retired off. These days players seem to be able to go longer whereas in the past anyone hitting 31 were deemed too old. I think it is the same with lots of sports now, through better training, diet, and overall fitness.

[Hotdog60]

On this years form I would keep him although the message would be if the form drops off be prepared to spend time in the VFL.
The bad news is that form can spiral downhill very fast once you hit 30 at the top level.
If the AFL dropped the rookie list and extended the main list it would make life easier on aging players.

[gohardorgohome]

Former Australian Under 19 Cricket Captain Pat McKenna has been in the best for the GWS NEAFL team six out of the last ten games.....
Was drafted as a forward straight from Gisborne in the Bendigo League, but is now playing as a defender. He has a lovely kick makes excellent decisions.

I'd be very happy if we traded a late pick for him.

[Bulldog Revolution]

They have been terrific. I think we would have been worse without them.

It is hard to tell when these players should be retired off. These days players seem to be able to go longer whereas in the past anyone hitting 31 were deemed too old. I think it is the same with lots of sports now, through better training, diet, and overall fitness.

I agree, they've both been fantastic - and hit levels I didn't think they could re-find

I see no reason why they both would not go around again in 2017 - both hyper professional, great role models, and extremely driven

[bulldogtragic]

So where are we at now. Ruck stocks depleted, and Minson will get another run. Matty Boyd getting 'old man niggles'. Lots of serious injuries, does Adcock stay? Plus probably too much exposure for ACL recurrence risks. Jong touring Collingwood and perhaps interest again from GCS. Talk of Hurley probably means putting up some decent footballers for trade. Interesting times.

[hujsh]

If there's a positive to Minson coming it it must be that surely Boyd won't 50/50 the ruck duties with Minson (and boy will it be infuriating if they do)

[Axe Man]

Declan Hamilton has re-signed. Not sure why we have done this now, surely it could have waited until after the season to give us a little more flexibilty.


Meanwhile, 2014 draftee Declan Hamilton has also extended his time at the Kennel.

Hamilton recently signed a one-year extension which will take him into his third season at the Club after being recruited from Port Adelaide in the SANFL.

[bulldogtragic]

I still believe in 4 changes (even if father/sons, rookie upgrade/s). 5 possibly with a free agent. But it's getting thin now with Morris & Hamilton getting a contract this last week. Gordon says we are big players this trade period. So we have to make room to be active.

1. Minson rookie list or retire. Sorry Will, it's a brutal industry and I love everything you have given.
2. Prudden delisted. Too many in front now.
3. Stevens. Trade. Still hasn't been re-contracted. He's our best currency to help.
4. Jong or Honeychurch. Trade. Foot skills are King, so Hrovat is safe for me.
5. Hamling. Trade. If we have Hurley, Morris, Collins, Adams, Roberts, Cordy & Wood that's enough height down back surely.
5a. If Hurley doesn't come off and we want Hamling... Matty Boyd. God he's still in good form, but I'm not sure about a contract with Bob, JJ, Biggs, Wood, Williams, Roarke, Lynch, Webb, Dale, Suckling etc, etc all playing in 2017.

[Ozza]

I still don't think we'll delist Prudden. I can understand the view from many that we will - but I hope we don't - AND - I don't think we will. To me, it's clear that Bevo really rates Prudds. I think at worst - he gets delisted and re-drafted/rookied.

[GVGjr]

I still don't think we'll delist Prudden. I can understand the view from many that we will - but I hope we don't - AND - I don't think we will. To me, it's clear that Bevo really rates Prudds. I think at worst - he gets delisted and re-drafted/rookied.

For a little while now I've started to question the value of the senior coach having their say in list management decisions.

Fore example, can our coach sign off on the hard list management decisions that may need to be made or will he want players to be given more chances than they otherwise should receive?

It sounds like Prudden might be one of those difficult decisions.

[Twodogs]

For a little while now I've started to question the value of the senior coach having their say in list management decisions.

Fore example, can our coach sign off on the hard list management decisions that may need to be made or will he want players to be given more chances than they otherwise should receive?

It sounds like Prudden might be one of those difficult decisions.

Yeah I see what you mean about the coach having too much say. We have to make hard decisions but it's not going to happen if the coach wants to keep everyone.

[chef]

He made the hard decision last season with a guy he played all year.

[Bulldog4life]

You know, it's going to be hard to be realistic with the ins and outs for next year. We are just having too many LT injuries to consider before making the decisions.

My gut feel is if he wants to stay he should stay. His form has been good enough

Matty Boyd will stay. According to Bevo today he is playing like he could go on for another 5 years

[Bulldog4life]

He made the hard decision last season with a guy he played all year.

Yes and we currently have about a dozen players out of contract so we are only presuming he wants all to stay

[chef]

Yes and we currently have about a dozen players out of contract so we are only presuming he wants all to stay

Yep. If he was desperate for them to stay I think they'd be signed up already. Seems he may have a few tricks up his sleeve.

[GVGjr]

Matty Boyd will stay. According to Bevo today he is playing like he could go on for another 5 years

Boyd has some great form so it's more or less up to the player to tell us he wants another season.

[GVGjr]

He made the hard decision last season with a guy he played all year.

I don't think that was a hard call despite the games he played. 2nd year in and some things have happened to 'galvanise' the coach with players.

[chef]

I don't think that was a hard call despite the games he played. 2nd year in and some things have happened to 'galvanise' the coach with players.

I guess he's going to want to hang onto the guys who he thinks are useful to him, I don't have to much of a problem with that.

[FrediKanoute]

For mine it goes like:

Out

Minson
Honeychurch

Rookie outs

Adcock
Goetz

Prudden & Hamilton on the rookie list, this gives us 4 main list spots.

[bulldogtragic]

For mine it goes like:

Out

Minson
Honeychurch

Rookie outs

Adcock
Goetz

Prudden & Hamilton on the rookie list, this gives us 4 main list spots.

Hamilton got a contract yesterday.

[Cyberdoggie]

Looks like we might struggle to cover the bare min changes, unless we trade some players of value.

With Hamilton signing is it now more likely that Jong is leaving? perhaps HC and the rat on the market as well?

[bornadog]

My new list is:

* Minson
* Stevens (Trade)
* Prudden - Rookie list

I doubt we will make any more changes unless we trade out HC and Hrovat or even Jong for a Hurley or other player.

[soupman]

Considering we need to have 3 draftees and are planning on recruiting Hurley we will need to cut at least 4 from the list.

On top of this we have shown interest in an experienced ruckman in Vardy/Nicholls, and have also raised the possibility of targeting a readymade key forward to help ease the burden here especially in Redpaths absence. This means I think all the uncontracted players are good chances to be moved on.

Minson and Prudden are surely certainties (although I would have written Hamilton here yesterday so who knows).

Honeychurch seems excess to requirements despite excellent VFL form so I can't see him staying.

Should we recruit Hurley we surely get rid of at least one of the 6 key defenders on the list, despite them all having shown something at AFL level. I would imagine Morris, Adams, Collins and Cordy are the definitely safe ones, with Hamling and Roberts both to be offered around to the highest bidder.

I can't see us keeping both Stevens and Jong when you consider both could be surplus with a fully fit squad. Jong has apparently been offered a 2 year contract but seeing as he is yet to accept it is probably not a very good one, so either we aren't very keen to keep him or he is getting a better offer elsewhere (GC probably) so I would imagine he is likely gone.

Stevens not signing either doesn't bode well for his retention especially amid faint rumours that other clubs have put offers to him.

Matt Boyd is surely staying on, he has been excellent this year and I don' see how they can sign Murphy up for another year after doing his knee and then turn around and tell Matt Boyd they don't have faith in him being good enough after a probable top 5 B&F finish with no signs he is slowing.

Hrovat probably stays, his scope for improvement far outweighs what his market value is considering his injuries.

Campbell is someone who may hold some value for another club and may be expendable for us if we snag one or two ready to go rucks. Although losing 2 of the 3 ruckmen we have in our weak ruck department wouldn't be ideal.

For the rookies I think they all stay on another year. Smith and Lynch are both very promising but until they become viable best 25 players they shouldn't be upgraded. I'm not a huge fan of Adcock but he seems popular with the playing group and the coaches and fits the criteria of versatile stop gap pretty well.

It'll be an interesting off season though and I wouldn't be completely surprised to see someone of higher profile like Hunter in talks.

[bulldogtragic]

Good post soup. With Hurley & a free agent possibly, then we need to make 5 I agree. I'm not to phased that 2 or the 3 picks are around 60-70. Simply if we rate Roarke & Lynch, we can use their upgrades if we don't like the talent enough for main list spots and then go about rebuilding the rookie list almost all together. Also, I'm not sure where Romero fits in our plans but if he's relatively low then we can use a low pick or rookie list him.

Honeychurch, Stevens, Hamling &/or Jong should net us some decent trade value. Brisbane & GCS for instance need players, not just picks of which they'll have a heap of. Some straight player swaps directly or in three-way trades would be ideal. GCS for instance might not even use their picks in the late 30's and 40's with their war chest of draft picks, so as I've said in other threads, GCS are the guys to be trading with this year to make things happen. You can mount a case for all 4 going to GCS particularly if they lose Prestia &/or Jaeger as it seems they will and have a skinny lack of contested ball winning midfield.

A very good trading season this year may just be the final piece of the puzzle.

[Bulldog4life]

Honeychurch is contracted for the 2017 season so if he doesn't want to leave he aint going anywhere.

[soupman]

Honeychurch is contracted for the 2017 season so if he doesn't want to leave he aint going anywhere.

Surely if any other club is interested though he'd have to seriously consider it.

Apart from intensity he doesn't offer anything that Webb, Hrovat, Daniel and Dale offer who are all in similar spots, and another year being selected despite good form in the reserves could really hurt his career.

He would be getting a regular game at many clubs and would be very much a Richmond type of recruit (who there were rumours of interest from earlier this season).

I like him but we don't need him and surely he realises that. If there is an opportunity elsewhere he should take it.

[Bulldog4life]

Surely if any other club is interested though he'd have to seriously consider it.

Apart from intensity he doesn't offer anything that Webb, Hrovat, Daniel and Dale offer who are all in similar spots, and another year being selected despite good form in the reserves could really hurt his career.

He would be getting a regular game at many clubs and would be very much a Richmond type of recruit (who there were rumours of interest from earlier this season).

I like him but we don't need him and surely he realises that. If there is an opportunity elsewhere he should take it.

Agree with what you say Soup but Honey's decision is up to himself unlike an unlisted player where the Club is in more control on what happens to that player .

[Axe Man]

Just FYI for list management discussions, I believe the following players are out of contract at the end of this season:

Primary List
Matthew Boyd
Josh Prudden
Joel Hamling
Lin Jong
Clay Smith
Will Minson
Koby Stevens
Nathan Hrovat
Tom Campbell

Rookies
Jed Adcock
Brad Lynch
Roarke Smith

[Bulldog Joe]

Interstate rookies have (I believe) a 2 year contract from drafting, so that would leave Brad Lynch contracted.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm guessing Monty has the Brisbane job, maybe even GCS. I wonder if his opinions on guys like Stevens, Jong, Honey etc mean a good trading relationship this year? I hope so.

[bulldogtragic]

Just FYI for list management discussions, I believe the following players are out of contract at the end of this season:

Primary List
Matthew Boyd
Josh Prudden
Joel Hamling
Lin Jong
Clay Smith
Will Minson
Koby Stevens
Nathan Hrovat
Tom Campbell

Rookies
Jed Adcock
Brad Lynch
Roarke Smith

Hrovat & Campbell are my only real priorities at this stage. Lynch & Roarke will be around, but decision around the draft strategy time I'd say.

[azabob]

Can we put Redpath on the rookie list?

[bornadog]

Can we put Redpath on the rookie list?

signed an extension for next year, so no.

[Axe Man]

Interstate rookies have (I believe) a 2 year contract from drafting, so that would leave Brad Lynch contracted.

I haven't heard of that rule before. Upon investigation I think the 2 year contract is only for international rookies:


Where a Club includes a Player on its Rookie List, it shall:
(i) in the case of an International Player, enter into a Contract of Service for a minimum of 2 AFL Football Seasons; or
(ii) in the case any other Player, enter into a Contract of Service for a minimum of 1 AFL Football Season.

The club does have to pay relocation costs for interstate rookies however.

[1eyedog]

Hrovat & Campbell are my only real priorities at this stage. Lynch & Roarke will be around, but decision around the draft strategy time I'd say.

If we make a play for Hurley I think Rat will be on the table.

[SonofScray]

I had Hamilton pegged as one of our end of year delistings, surprised to see that isn't going to be the case.
My crystal ball currently reads:

Minson will be retired.
Prudden rookied or delisted.
Koby traded to Essendon with an early pick and future pick to EFC for Hurley and a 2nd round upgrade.

Not convinced Matty Boyd stays on either, though I'd be happy for him to play on.

[azabob]

signed an extension for next year, so no.

I thought at one stage Daniel Pearce had a senior contract and we put him on the rookie list a couple of years back?

[FrediKanoute]

Same with West - the crap one

[bulldogtragic]

I thought at one stage Daniel Pearce had a senior contract and we put him on the rookie list a couple of years back?

We delisted him and took him in the rookie draft. We can't automatically do it, and you risk losing them like St Kilda losing Farren Ray to North in this process. So we can do it with uncontracted players by delisting them and selecting them in the rookie draft if no other club gets in first. It's something I'd do with Minson maybe.

[Rocco Jones]

Update
Delist/retire from senior list- Minson, Prudden (re-draft him as a rookie, because that's the type of club we are etc)
Delist/retire from rookie list= Goetz, Adcock
Trade for picks= 1-2 of Jong, Stevens or Honeychurch

Need 1 mature tall forward.

[comrade]

I'm happy to get Cloke if his sticky glove is made legal.

[bulldogtragic]

Update
Delist/retire from senior list- Minson, Prudden (re-draft him as a rookie, because that's the type of club we are etc)
Delist/retire from rookie list= Goetz, Adcock
Trade for picks= 1-2 of Jong, Stevens or Honeychurch

Need 1 mature tall forward.

Agree by and large. From the other end, we should have 3-4 picks and two free agents/trades (ruck & mature forward). We can use the later picks upgrading Roarke and/or Romero as a FS. So I think we need 5 senior list changes. (1) Minson can pursue free agency, (2) Prudden is delisted, (3) Stevens is our best currency & (4) Honeychurch has fallen behind Hrovat, Daniel, McLean, Webb and arguably Dale. I think he could be OK currency with the right club too. The fifth spot makes it hard as Boyd should probably stay on to cover the thinning midfield grunt if other defenders stand up next year, that's great depth & flexibility. Jong probably has done enough to stay if he wants to as well. (5) Fletcher Roberts maybe, perhaps with a view to rookie draft him as depth.

That frees up three spots on the rookie list (Goetz & Adcock gone, Roarke upgraded). Roberts with one, and two Dalrymple specials.

[Axe Man]

Agree by and large. From the other end, we should have 3-4 picks and two free agents/trades (ruck & mature forward). We can use the later picks upgrading Roarke and/or Romero as a FS. So I think we need 5 senior list changes. (1) Minson can pursue free agency, (2) Prudden is delisted, (3) Stevens is our best currency & (4) Honeychurch has fallen behind Hrovat, Daniel, McLean, Webb and arguably Dale. I think he could be OK currency with the right club too. The fifth spot makes it hard as Boyd should probably stay on to cover the thinning midfield grunt if other defenders stand up next year, that's great depth & flexibility. Jong probably has done enough to stay if he wants to as well. (5) Fletcher Roberts maybe, perhaps with a view to rookie draft him as depth.

That frees up three spots on the rookie list (Goetz & Adcock gone, Roarke upgraded). Roberts with one, and two Dalrymple specials.

Roberts is contracted until the end of 2017.

With list spots tight I wouldn't upgrade Roarke Smith, he can have another year on the rookie list to prove he belongs.

[Bulldog4life]

The Honey man has another year to go on his contract. If he doesn't want to go he aint going anywhere.

[bulldogtragic]

Roberts is contracted until the end of 2017.

With list spots tight I wouldn't upgrade Roarke Smith, he can have another year on the rookie list to prove he belongs.

Well that makes it a little harder, and by a little, I mean a lot harder to find the 5th.

As for Honeychurch, another year of VFL won't do him any good. If another club offers good enough cash and a promise of lots of games then it's a win-win provided we get adequate compensation.

[boydogs]

Prudden should be offered a spot on the VFL list, help him with his rehab and leave the door open for him to get back without occupying a list spot. I can't see anyone else picking him up given what he has shown to date, especially with his ACL injury

[Axe Man]

Adcock calls it a day (http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2016-08-24/adcock-calls-it-a-day)

Western Bulldogs defender Jed Adcock has announced he will retire from AFL football at season’s end.

After 206 games across 12 seasons with the Brisbane Lions, Adcock joined the Bulldogs at the end of the 2015 season via the rookie draft.

The 30-year-old has played seven games in 2016, taking his career tally to 213.

Bulldogs Director of Football Chris Grant praised Adcock for his influence on the Bulldogs playing group.

“Jed has played really important roles for us in his short time at the Club, and his professionalism and leadership have been particularly noteworthy.”

“The time and guidance he has provided our younger players has been integral at both AFL and VFL level.

“We wish Jed all the best, and thank him for his contribution over the past 12 months.”

Adcock thanked the Club for their support, while looking forward to the next phase of his career.

“I want to thank the Club for giving me the opportunity to continue my career.

“Although it’s only been one year, I’ve learned a lot both as a player and from a coaching standpoint.”

“I’m ready to move on to the next phase of my life and career, which includes pursuing coaching at AFL level.”

Adcock was originally recruited to Brisbane with pick number 33 in the 2003 AFL Draft from the North Ballarat Rebels, and went on to captain the Lions in 2013 and 2014.

[bulldogtragic]

At least two rookie spots now open.

[Mofra]

No surprise. Thanks Jed.

[bornadog]

Good Luck to Jed, and thank you.

[EasternWest]

Seems like a stand up guy that's made a mature decision. Did ok for us when he played IMO.

[bulldogtragic]

Isn't it nice of an AFL club (us) allowing an AFL veteran to make the call publicly and let his legacy be about a mature decision and retiring on his terms...........................

[comrade]

Cheers Jed, did your bit when we needed you. Good luck for your next stage in life.

[ratsmac]

Thanks Jed.

I wish him well for his future endeavours.

Is his retirement immediate or after the season for us? because we might need him the way we are dropping like flies.

[LostDoggy]

Thanks Jed.

I wish him well for his future endeavours.

Is his retirement immediate or after the season for us? because we might need him the way we are dropping like flies.

I smell a final seniors berth coming up soon.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Was good to have him involved and Im certain he set a good example for the 'scray

His last game for us against GEELONG was perhaps his best

[Twodogs]

Thanks Jed.

I wish him well for his future endeavours.

Is his retirement immediate or after the season for us? because we might need him the way we are dropping like flies.

He's retiring at the end of the season. Not many would pass up a VFL finals series with the prospect of an AFL final.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

We really need to cut deep into the list again IMO.

Going forward, foot skills must be an absolute priority - we carry FAR too many ordinary ball users. We have to look to move on the likes of Stevens, Jong and maybe Clay.

[Dancin' Douggy]

My mantra for the upcoming trade season is to trade grunt for silk

[bulldogtragic]

Minson is shot. No basic contract, no rookie list spot. I love what you given to this club, but father time has caught you. Prudden too, possible rookie list but I wouldn't.

Jong & Stevens still haven't signed. Clubs are interested. The one good game must be weighed against the many average. So if the price is right, traded.

Honeychurch may seek opportunities and a trade elsewhere. No point holding him back if 2017 will be the same.

That's my near enough to end list, no more rolling around for me. I'd look hard at Vickery as a free agent (Minson's spot), look generally at Boomer (replacing a small) and take 3 picks into the draft hopefully all within 30 with the above trades. If we need a genuine tall forward such as Cloke, Black or McStay (etc) then Matt Boyd may be in trouble with Roarke & Williams looking good at the level.

[LostDoggy]

Minson is shot. No basic contract, no rookie list spot. I love what you given to this club, but father time has caught you. Prudden too, possible rookie list but I wouldn't.

Jong & Stevens still haven't signed. Clubs are interested. The one good game must be weighed against the many average. So if the price is right, traded.

Honeychurch may seek opportunities and a trade elsewhere. No point holding him back if 2017 will be the same.

That's my near enough to end list, no more rolling around for me. I'd look hard at Vickery as a free agent (Minson's spot), look generally at Boomer (replacing a small) and take 3 picks into the draft hopefully all within 30 with the above trades. If we need a genuine tall forward such as Cloke, Black or McStay (etc) then Matt Boyd may be in trouble with Roarke & Williams looking good at the level.

Agree most of the way, but Boyd is a clear retain for mine, he is simply too valuable as a player who gets his role perfectly within Bevo's system. The thing that seperates him from others in our backline is his abilities as a contested player when required.

[bulldogtragic]

Agree most of the way, but Boyd is a clear retain for mine, he is simply to valuable as a player who gets his role perfectly within Bevo's system. The thing that seperates him from others in our backline is his abilities as a contested player when required.

Boyd plays on, and is only in danger if a 6th spot is needed. And I can't see that happening.

[GVGjr]

We really need to cut deep into the list again IMO.

Going forward, foot skills must be an absolute priority - we carry FAR too many ordinary ball users. We have to look to move on the likes of Stevens, Jong and maybe Clay.

Agree although all signs lead to minimal changes.

Despite Bevo coming in with a focus on developing our kicking skills, 2 years on and I don't think we have made progress.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Agree although all signs lead to minimal changes.

Despite Bevo coming in with a focus on developing our kicking skills, 2 years on and I don't think we have made progress.

Very concerning if this turns out to be the case.

And we simply cannot win a flag with our current ball usage.

[soupman]

Agree although all signs lead to minimal changes.

Despite Bevo coming in with a focus on developing our kicking skills, 2 years on and I don't think we have made progress.

Somewhat, although Minson and Prudden must be close to definite departures, Honeychurch surely goes following any interest from elsewhere, and Stevens, Jong, Hrovat and Campbell either haven't received any contract offers or have but also have similiar or better options at other clubs, which would indicate that we will probably move at least a couple of them.

Despite a strong list and every one of the above players being quite capable at AFL level I think we will clear 5 changes rather effortlessly.

[GVGjr]

Somewhat, although Minson and Prudden must be close to definite departures, Honeychurch surely goes following any interest from elsewhere, and Stevens, Jong, Hrovat and Campbell either haven't received any contract offers or have but also have similiar or better options at other clubs, which would indicate that we will probably move at least a couple of them.

Despite a strong list and every one of the above players being quite capable at AFL level I think we will clear 5 changes rather effortlessly.


I hope so, I think we need to do 7 changes but the coach appears to be closer to 4.

[ledge]

Just read somewhere Essendon want Stevens, what could they offer ?

[Rocco Jones]

Just read somewhere Essendon want Stevens, what could they offer ?

They have the first pick in the PSD which might limit us.

Pick 19 is overs, would be delighted with that. Pick 37 slightly unders? Does pick 30 sound about right? (factoring in PSD, being surplus to requirements)

[GVGjr]

Just read somewhere Essendon want Stevens, what could they offer ?

I think best case scenario would be a mid range 2nd round pick.

Where did you read this? Would you regard this as a good source or speculation?

[ledge]

I think best case scenario would be a mid range 2nd round pick.

Where did you read this? Would you regard this as a good source or speculation?

To be honest I can't remember read and hear a lot at this time of year . Is there such thing as a good source nowadays ? .. I can't believe the amount of stuff the press and social media come up with and as soon as the media make an "opinion" social media takes it up as fact !
New one going around is trade stinger he isn't happy , Seriously the worlds gone mad !

[Axe Man]

I think best case scenario would be a mid range 2nd round pick.

Where did you read this? Would you regard this as a good source or speculation?

It's mentioned in this article about O'Meara.

Bombers in box seat for uncontracted star (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-29/essendon-in-box-seat-to-take-best-uncontracted-player-in-preseason-draft)


Western Bulldogs midfielder Koby Stevens, who remains unsigned, is one player who has been linked with Essendon

Unfortunately it is talking about the number 1 pick in the pre-season draft so potentially losing Stevens for nothing.

[comrade]

We have 6 or 7 out of contract. That never happens this late in the year, unless we plan to be significant players in trade week.

I think we'll be cutting the list via trades rather than delistings.

[Bulldog4life]

We have 6 or 7 out of contract. That never happens this late in the year, unless we plan to be significant players in trade week.

I think we'll be cutting the list via trades rather than delistings.

I thought it was more like 8 or 9 Comrade. You could be right.

[GVGjr]

It's mentioned in this article about O'Meara.

Bombers in box seat for uncontracted star (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-29/essendon-in-box-seat-to-take-best-uncontracted-player-in-preseason-draft)

Unfortunately it is talking about the number 1 pick in the pre-season draft so potentially losing Stevens for nothing.

Thanks, that puts it into better context.

[azabob]

Who is out of contract?

Stevens, Jong, Minson, Boyd, Hrovat?

[comrade]

Who is out of contract?

Stevens, Jong, Minson, Boyd, Hrovat?

Campbell, Hamling.

[GVGjr]

We have 6 or 7 out of contract. That never happens this late in the year, unless we plan to be significant players in trade week.

I think we'll be cutting the list via trades rather than delistings.

It will be interesting to see what direction we go with. I'd say there is little love now for the traditional 'socks down Bulldog player' that was hard at a contest but not necessarily possessing great kicking skills especially in the midfield. I'd say there is a chance a few of those that we are looking to move on might not have great kicking skills. It might also weigh in on if we keep Matthew Boyd or not

[GVGjr]

Campbell, Hamling.

We will be scrambling now to get something in front of Hamling

[Rocco Jones]

I really like what I saw of Hamling against Freo and the last few weeks in general. He seems very much a confidence/head space player but he has the tools. I really like defenders who can take a clean mark and he has that ability.

[comrade]

It will be interesting to see what direction we go with. I'd say there is little love now for the traditional 'socks down Bulldog player' that was hard at a contest but not necessarily possessing great kicking skills especially in the midfield. I'd say there is a chance a few of those that we are looking to move on might not have great kicking skills. It might also weigh in on if we keep Matthew Boyd or not

Happy for Stevens and Jong to seek other opportunities. Have really only been given chances due to Libba, Macrae and Wallis all missing.

[GVGjr]

I really like what I saw of Hamling against Freo and the last few weeks in general. He seems very much a confidence/head space player but he has the tools. I really like defenders who can take a clean mark and he has that ability.

I agree. To me we have stuffed up if we haven't put a contract in front of him

[azabob]

On Matthew Boyd from the interviews I've heard and such he would love to play on but the club is yet to offer him a contract.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

Yes I saw him tonight saying he hasn't been offered a contract for next year

[azabob]

Yes I saw him tonight saying he hasn't been offered a contract for next year

Thanks, I hadn't caught up with that.

[ledge]

Yes I saw him tonight saying he hasn't been offered a contract for next year

That's sad if we don't

[Bulldog4life]

Western Bulldogs Players Out of Contract in 2016 Western Bulldogs Player Contracts
Name Years Service Status
Bradley Lynch 1 Non-Free Agent
Clay Smith 5 Non-Free Agent
Joel Hamling 2 Non-Free Agent
Joshua Prudden 4 Non-Free Agent
Koby Stevens 4 Non-Free Agent
Lin Jong 5 Non-Free Agent
Luke Goetz 1 Non-Free Agent
Matthew Boyd 14 Unrestricted Free Agent
Nathan Hrovat 4 Non-Free Agent
Roarke Smith 2 Non-Free Agent
Robert Murphy 17 Unrestricted Free Agent
Tom Campbell 5 Non-Free Agent
Will Minson 13 Unrestricted Free Agent

Although contract offered to Murph

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players

[comrade]

If we're waiting until after the season to finalise Boyd's contract, we must have significant plans for trade week.

Would not be surprised if a big chunk of the above players aren't on our list next year. My guess is the following are gone: Stevens, Jong, Campbell, Minson, Prudden, with Hrovat and Clay Smith also possibles.

Definite keepers are Lynch, Roarke Smith & Hamling.

[hujsh]

Western Bulldogs Players Out of Contract in 2016 Western Bulldogs Player Contracts

Bradley Lynch
Clay Smith
Joel Hamling
Joshua Prudden
Koby Stevens
Lin Jong
Luke Goetz
Matthew Boyd
Nathan Hrovat
Roarke Smith
Robert Murphy
Tom Campbell
Will Minson
Bold players are who I think we should move on.

I'm happy to keep the rest, though I can understand moving on Smith in the right circumstances. Campbell I can kind of see but I feel he'll come good with a decent run at it so it'd be disappointing

[cinder]

I hope we offer Boyd another contract, he's all Australian FFS

[Eastdog]

Bold players are who I think we should move on.

I'm happy to keep the rest, though I can understand moving on Smith in the right circumstances. Campbell I can kind of see but I feel he'll come good with a decent run at it so it'd be disappointing

Campbell is one we keep. We need to see him play more games at AFL level.

[Eastdog]

I hope we offer Boyd another contract, he's all Australian FFS

Certainly hope he plays on.

When Boyd, Morris and Murph hang up the boots who do we see take over their positions. Marcus Adams definitely I see as a long term player down there.

[azabob]

I hope we offer Boyd another contract, he's all Australian FFS

He is in the squad, not the team yet.
I think it is more than likely he will be not offered a contract.

[Remi Moses]

I'd be surprised if Boyd isn't offered a new contract
We need a bit more silk and less grunt .
Only Essendon could think they can get two uncontractred players in the PSD.

[ratsmac]

Surely Matty Boyd gets another contract. The fact he doesn't have a contract in front of him at the moment is a worry though.

[cinder]

He is in the squad, not the team yet.
I think it is more than likely he will be not offered a contract.

Oh ...

If that's the case and we as fans didn't get to say goodbye, I'll be very disappointed. At least North let Harvey et al, and the fans, know before the last home game.

[anfo27]

I think Boyd will get another contract but we will be very busy this trade period so i think we are waiting to see what comes of that first before Boyd gets his well deserved extension.

[bulldogtragic]

I know it's not ideal, but..... Say.... We get busy and we need Matty's spot. We offer him a rookie spot and he tells all clubs he will only play with us. We pick him up, he takes Wallis' spot on the senior list as an upgraded rookie for the entire season. We in a sense, move Wallis time injured to the rookie list owing that Boyd is obviously better than a rookie.

I know it's not ideal, I know GVGjr has said previously it affects his legacy, but if this scenario played out and we still have another full season of Matty Boyd as well as trades in we want, is this not a solution where we have our cake and eat it too? (If JMac really needs another spot on the list to do his magic. Also we can leave him on as a rookie for a second year if his form warrants it and he's light years ahead of Goodes & Adcock. 300 games is achievable.)

[LostDoggy]

I know it's not ideal, but..... Say.... We get busy and we need Matty's spot. We offer him a rookie spot and he tells all clubs he will only play with us. We pick him up, he takes Wallis' spot on the senior list as an upgraded rookie for the entire season. We in a sense, move Wallis time injured to the rookie list owing that Boyd is obviously better than a rookie.

I know it's not ideal, I know GVGjr has said previously it affects his legacy, but if this scenario played out and we still have another full season of Matty Boyd as well as trades in we want, is this not a solution where we have our cake and eat it too? (If JMac really needs another spot on the list to do his magic. Also we can leave him on as a rookie for a second year if his form warrants it and he's light years ahead of Goodes & Adcock. 300 games is achievable.)

I think this is a great idea, rather than affect his legacy, this is just using the system to his our advantage consideting our long term injuries.

[LostDoggy]

I know it's not ideal, but..... Say.... We get busy and we need Matty's spot. We offer him a rookie spot and he tells all clubs he will only play with us. We pick him up, he takes Wallis' spot on the senior list as an upgraded rookie for the entire season. We in a sense, move Wallis time injured to the rookie list owing that Boyd is obviously better than a rookie.

I know it's not ideal, I know GVGjr has said previously it affects his legacy, but if this scenario played out and we still have another full season of Matty Boyd as well as trades in we want, is this not a solution where we have our cake and eat it too? (If JMac really needs another spot on the list to do his magic. Also we can leave him on as a rookie for a second year if his form warrants it and he's light years ahead of Goodes & Adcock. 300 games is achievable.)

Does that mean he gets the standard rookie contract and payment? If so, that'd be unacceptably disrespectful for mine.

[bulldogtragic]

Does that mean he gets the standard rookie contract and payment? If so, that'd be unacceptably disrespectful for mine.

Initially, upon his immediate elevation he gets an immediate pay rise. Beyond that I'm assuming we can pay him what we want within the cap.

[1eyedog]

Initially, upon his immediate elevation he gets an immediate pay rise. Beyond that I'm assuming we can pay him what we want within the cap.

If it keeps him on the list and in our best 22 while freeing up spot 6 I'm all for it and I'd wager he would be too.

[kruder]

I was a little concerned about Boyd after the first month of football but he has been bloody outstanding since then. Love the way he has carried himself over the last few years, he speaks really well these days and you can just feel his love for the club. I'll be pissed if Hamilton is on the list next year and Boyd isn't.

On the super footy podcast this week they mentioned that the dogs are into a HBF from Richmond. Ellis? Deledio? Surely not Grigg. Any ideas? They also said there was another they are looking at closely but didn't name the club. I'm guessing this is the reason Boyd hasn't been signed yet.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Agree on Hamling.

Not sure what went wrong for three quarters of the season, but he's come good again late and at an important time. I think he's a very capable player who clearly has all the tools to be a very solid second tall defender.

I've watched him closely since he's been back and he's rarely been beaten, even when assigned to bigger opponents (which Roberts has struggled with).

I'd be filthy if we lost him to another club and I think losing Campbell would be ridiculous, too.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

On the super footy podcast this week they mentioned that the dogs are into a HBF from Richmond. Ellis? Deledio? Surely not Grigg. Any ideas? They also said there was another they are looking at closely but didn't name the club. I'm guessing this is the reason Boyd hasn't been signed yet.

My respect for Boyd has doubled since his move to half back. He's been sensational.

There appears to be some talk we're interested in Ellis, but perhaps that's misguided and it's actually Deledio? I'd be happy with either. We know Deledio's quality and versatility, he'd be a very astute pick up if his body checks out OK. I'm a fan of Ellis too, I know he gets quite a bit of stick from Richmond supporters and the wider AFL community but he's still young (23 years old) and has plenty to work with. He's quick, versatile and he has a penetrating kick. I'd like him to develop a harder edge to his game and find more consistency, but I see him as a player who could benefit from coming to a club such as ours.

[1eyedog]

I was a little concerned about Boyd after the first month of football but he has been bloody outstanding since then. Love the way he has carried himself over the last few years, he speaks really well these days and you can just feel his love for the club. I'll be pissed if Hamilton is on the list next year and Boyd isn't.

On the super footy podcast this week they mentioned that the dogs are into a HBF from Richmond. Ellis? Deledio? Surely not Grigg. Any ideas? They also said there was another they are looking at closely but didn't name the club. I'm guessing this is the reason Boyd hasn't been signed yet.

I don't like Ellis at all he's ok at lots of things and not very good at anything in particular, he's the 22-25 player in our list and we're already open to trade out this bracket. I think Richmond would keep him given his age and hope for improvement.

It may be Deledio and I think the Tiges would be prepared to part ways given he is 29 and won't be playing in finals with them. He would be good for us, very good if fit.

[kruder]

My respect for Boyd has doubled since his move to half back. He's been sensational.

There appears to be some talk we're interested in Ellis, but perhaps that's misguided and it's actually Deledio? I'd be happy with either. We know Deledio's quality and versatility, he'd be a very astute pick up if his body checks out OK. I'm a fan of Ellis too, I know he gets quite a bit of stick from Richmond supporters and the wider AFL community but he's still young (23 years old) and has plenty to work with. He's quick, versatile and he has a penetrating kick. I'd like him to develop a harder edge to his game and find more consistency, but I see him as a player who could benefit from coming to a club such as ours.

If Deledio was fit he would be perfect for us agree. The question is would you be prepared to part with a first rounder? Ellis I was keen on at under 18's level and your analysis is spot on with him. I just wished the Club would utilise JJ's traits more. The kid is a jet and exactly the type of player we need more of at the club.

[Mofra]

Initially, upon his immediate elevation he gets an immediate pay rise. Beyond that I'm assuming we can pay him what we want within the cap.
We do have the freedom to allocate our $500k marketing allowance in whichever way we want though?
We can rookie him, immediately upgrade him then use marketing allowance to bump up his salary.

Get creative :cool:

[Bulldog4life]

I know it's not ideal, but..... Say.... We get busy and we need Matty's spot. We offer him a rookie spot and he tells all clubs he will only play with us. We pick him up, he takes Wallis' spot on the senior list as an upgraded rookie for the entire season. We in a sense, move Wallis time injured to the rookie list owing that Boyd is obviously better than a rookie.

I know it's not ideal, I know GVGjr has said previously it affects his legacy, but if this scenario played out and we still have another full season of Matty Boyd as well as trades in we want, is this not a solution where we have our cake and eat it too? (If JMac really needs another spot on the list to do his magic. Also we can leave him on as a rookie for a second year if his form warrants it and he's light years ahead of Goodes & Adcock. 300 games is achievable.)

Love your thinking BT but I don't think he can do that. Once in the draft it is open slather.

[bulldogtragic]

Love your thinking BT but I don't think he can do that. Once in the draft it is open slather.

He can to scare others off, but other clubs can grab him that's true. But it's a risk for them in the first round of the rookie draft.

[westbulldog]

He is in the squad, not the team yet.
I think it is more than likely he will be not offered a contract.

An All-Australian nominee in 2015 and 2016 and you don't think he is worthy of at least another year ?

From : http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-30/team-of-the-year-afl

MATTHEW BOYD (Western Bulldogs)
While his backline teammates dropped around him, Boyd had a brilliant season averaging 27.9 possessions at almost 80 per cent efficiency, and was ranked sixth for rebound 50s.

Who do you think in 2017 would better Matt Boyd's record of the last 2 years ??

[bornadog]

Stevo reporting Essendon and Melbourne has some interest in Koby.

[Mofra]

Stevo reporting Essendon and Melbourne has some interest in Koby.
Interesting, as there were Essendon rumours flying around earlier.

[bulldogtragic]

Stevo reporting Essendon and Melbourne has some interest in Koby.

Time for a bidding war then!!

[Twodogs]

An All-Australian nominee in 2015 and 2016 and you don't think he is worthy of at least another year ?

From : http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-30/team-of-the-year-afl

MATTHEW BOYD (Western Bulldogs)
While his backline teammates dropped around him, Boyd had a brilliant season averaging 27.9 possessions at almost 80 per cent efficiency, and was ranked sixth for rebound 50s.

Who do you think in 2017 would better Matt Boyd's record of the last 2 years ??

They are outstanding numbers. He even appeared to crank it up a bit as the season went on.

[macca]

we should refused to deal with them and bring gcs to up their bids. create buyer moment

[Twodogs]

we should refused to deal with them and bring gcs to up their bids. create buyer moment

And West Coast.

[westbulldog]

An All-Australian nominee in 2015 and 2016 and you don't think he is worthy of at least another year ?

From : http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-30/team-of-the-year-afl

MATTHEW BOYD (Western Bulldogs)
While his backline teammates dropped around him, Boyd had a brilliant season averaging 27.9 possessions at almost 80 per cent efficiency, and was ranked sixth for rebound 50s.

Who do you think in 2017 would better Matt Boyd's record of the last 2 years ??

I/C: Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs), Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs), Dustin Martin (Richmond), Luke Parker (Sydney)

An emerging star and a tribute to the skill, resilience and courage of Matt Boyd...well done both.

[KT31]

Minson is shot. No basic contract, no rookie list spot. I love what you given to this club, but father time has caught you. Prudden too, possible rookie list but I wouldn't.

Jong & Stevens still haven't signed. Clubs are interested. The one good game must be weighed against the many average. So if the price is right, traded.

Honeychurch may seek opportunities and a trade elsewhere. No point holding him back if 2017 will be the same.

That's my near enough to end list, no more rolling around for me. I'd look hard at Vickery as a free agent (Minson's spot), look generally at Boomer (replacing a small) and take 3 picks into the draft hopefully all within 30 with the above trades. If we need a genuine tall forward such as Cloke, Black or McStay (etc) then Matty Boyd may be in trouble with Roarke & Williams looking good at the level.

Would be pretty poor and embarrassing to delist an All Australian.

[Jam Donuts]

If he does not get a contract it is an absolute insult to a great servant of this club, he is a gun. There is no-one who is capable of taking his place, those who are stating that Williams can slot in are completely delusional, he is at least 2 years off the pace, he does not yet have the capabilities of simple positioning correctly, we need Boyd for the next 12 months at least, let the young ones have another year of learning, make them study what he does then be ready for the upgrade to seniors. If he does not get a contract it will rank as one of the more ridiculous decisions this club has made and I have seen quite a few since 1960 when I was standing on the scoreboard hill. We must sign him.

[bulldogtragic]

Would be pretty poor and embarrassing to delist an All Australian.

He wasn't an All Australian when I posted this. And to be fair, if you go through every single posters comments you'll read about the gun Howard we picked up was, how we can't trade Liam Jones, how Matt Fuller was a way better selection than Ben Brown, how great Ayce Cordys & Jarrad Grants final season was, how good Gryphne was as captain and how Brendan McCartney was our next premiership coach.

[bulldogtragic]

If he does not get a contract it is an absolute insult to a great servant of this club, he is a gun. There is no-one who is capable of taking his place, those who are stating that Williams can slot in are completely delusional, he is at least 2 years off the pace, he does not yet have the capabilities of simple positioning correctly, we need Boyd for the next 12 months at least, let the young ones have another year of learning, make them study what he does then be ready for the upgrade to seniors. If he does not get a contract it will rank as one of the more ridiculous decisions this club has made and I have seen quite a few since 1960 when I was standing on the scoreboard hill. We must sign him.

I get a sense that's aimed at me. So... What I said was 'Roarke & Williams were looking good at the level'. No more, no less. That means they're great depth to our best HBFs such as Bob, Wood, JJ, Suckling, Biggs etc. . That doesn't mean they can replace most or every aspect of Boyd's current output. So whom ever this poster was that said 'Williams can slot in for Boyd' may be as you say, completely delusional, but I don't think it does a service to others on here to label them as such.

[Mofra]

I get a sense that's aimed at me. So... What I said was 'Roarke & Williams were looking good at the level'. No more, no less. That means they're great depth to our best HBFs such as Bob, Wood, JJ, Suckling, Biggs etc. . That doesn't mean they can replace most or every aspect of Boyd's current output. So whom ever this poster was that said 'Williams can slot in for Boyd' may be as you say, completely delusional, but I don't think it does a service to others on here to label them as such.
In terms of your original comment, that's assuming Bob comes back and plays HBF next year.
There's a chance he may be played wing/forward which opens up a HBF spot which bring opportunities to the Williams/Rourke Smith types even if Boyd plays most of next year.
Wouldn't surprise me to see Suckling tried further up the ground at times too. Even JJ may be used on the wing at times if we want to inject more pace in the middle of the ground.

[KT31]

He wasn't an All Australian when I posted this. And to be fair, if you go through every single posters comments you'll read about the gun Howard we picked up was, how we can't trade Liam Jones, how Matt Fuller was a way better selection than Ben Brown, how great Ayce Cordys & Jarrad Grants final season was, how good Gryphne was as captain and how Brendan McCartney was our next premiership coach.

Wasn't having a go at you BT , from all reports if Hurley had signed Boyd was done ( all Australian or not ).
It's only my personal opinion but I think Boyd has another season (unlike West and Hawkins) left in him and all Australian selection gives it a little more justification in his favour.

[Axe Man]

A possible additional rookie that we could add at the end of the year.


The AFL has approved the full list of 33 players and circulated it to clubs last week. Under the newly formed rules, clubs will be able to list the players as category B rookies if the prospects are overlooked at the national and rookie drafts.

The club will need to lodge relevant paperwork immediately after the rookie draft on November 28 to secure the multicultural or indigenous talent.

Western Bulldogs
Dion Johnstone (Indigenous)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-05/tigers-eyeing-off-kayle-kirby-as-a-category-b-rookie

A recent article about Dion:
Dion Johnstone travels long road from Warrnambool to TAC Cup team Oakleigh Chargers (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/localfooty/dion-johnstone-travels-long-road-from-warrnambool-to-tac-cup-team-oakleigh-chargers/news-story/992029756feee11bac636d3d33f073a1)

HE might be 265km away from home, but Oakleigh Charger Dion Johnstone has been embraced by two new families.

The 18-year-old moved from Warrnambool to Melbourne at 15 to join Scotch College on an indigenous scholarship. Hawthorn premiership star Cyril Rioli shifted from the Tiwi Islands to take up the same scholarship in 2004.

Johnstone has also found a new football home at the Oakleigh Chargers and, in his debut TAC Cup season, was part of its flag last year.

The 179cm lively forward, who’s quick, tough and can turn a game with his defensive pressure and high intensity work rate, has captured some eye catching form on the eve of finals.

Much has transpired in the three years since Johnstone, who hails from his family property between Warrnambool and Port Fairy, swapped his motorbike and hunting for the big smoke and boarding school.

“At first I thought boarding school, no way, I wouldn’t be able to do it but I thought I may as well give it a crack and it was probably the best decision I’ve made,’’ he said.

“It’s hard. At first I really struggled, I was home sick and missed my family but as time goes on you keep pushing through it, make friends and it’s your home away from home.

“Everyone here is in the same boat and you help each other through it.”

Johnstone said family support gave him the strength and confidence to make the most of his opportunities in the classroom and on field.

“My parents have been a massive, massive help for me and influence on my life,’’ he said.


“If I didn’t have mum and dad’s support there’s no way I would’ve kept going through with this but they’ve been amazing and I’m very lucky to have them. I couldn’t be any more thankful.”

Each week, dad Kieran, mum Sherry, brother Fletcher, 13, and Nanna Cheryl jump in the car and go and watch Dion play. Most weekends it’s to Melbourne but last round they trekked five and a half hours to Wangaratta.

Before Dion turned 18, Kieran would regularly drive to Melbourne to take him to games and club functions, then drop him back at the boarding house and make the journey home.

“Dion’s made a big commitment and we’ve made a commitment as well as a family, we’re all in it together,’’ Kieran said.

“We go down every week and if Dion needs something on a weeknight or late at night I’ll go to Melbourne and wouldn’t think twice about it, it’s what you do for your kids.

“It’s a great journey for him, something he’s earned, and as a family we’re all very proud of him.”

The Chargers have welcomed Johnstone with open arms.

“I reckon they are the best club in the TAC. All the coaches have been absolutely brilliant with me, especially living away from home,’’ he said.

“I appreciate all the things Mick Stinear, the coach, does. All the coaches are kind and Jimmy Honey (team manager) has taken me under his wing and looked after me.

“They’ve made me feel welcome right from the beginning.”

Johnstone has had a busy year juggling year 12 with captaining Scotch’s football side and representing the Chargers.

On return to Oakleigh, he’s kicked seven goals in the past two games including a haul of five against the Sandringham Dragons which caught the attention of AFL recruiters.

“Growing up most boys dream is to play AFL and this is the year I’m trying to put it all together and hopefully at the end of the year get picked up in the draft,’’ he said.

“But if it doesn’t happen them I’m definitely not going to give up, I’ll keep trying.”

[bulldogtragic]

Thanks Axe man. I just checked the combine invite lists and he's not on it, so maybe he does slip. Does a category B rookie take up a formal rookie list spot, or is it like the international rookie type thing where they're a bonus? (Will check in the meantime)

Edit: it's like international rookies. We can have an additional 3 CB rookies above and beyond the standard rookie list. So he's just salary if he gets through.

[LostDoggy]

Neon Dion :cool:

[Twodogs]

Neon Dion :cool:


Son of Keiran.

Doesn't really work.

[Jam Donuts]

Not aimed at you at all BT, just a general thought of mine to the general forum, not all our youngsters are ready to step up yet, we have a great list but we still need time, especially with the cruel amount of injuries we have suffered this year, we have mined the depths of our list and as expected a couple of the youngsters have come up a little short, given time they won't, we still need the experience to show the way.

[bornadog]

Not aimed at you at all BT, just a general thought of mine to the general forum, not all our youngsters are ready to step up yet, we have a great list but we still need time, especially with the cruel amount of injuries we have suffered this year, we have mined the depths of our list and as expected a couple of the youngsters have come up a little short, given time they won't, we still need the experience to show the way.

Whilst true, we are still forced to delist 3 by the AFEL.

[azabob]

Big assumption but with Lin Jong showing so much emotion I wonder if it means that is his last game for the dogs?

[KT31]

Big assumption but with Lin Jong showing so much emotion I wonder if it means that is his last game for the dogs?

Bevo actually joked in similar vein in his press conference.

[azabob]

Bevo actually joked in similar vein in his press conference.

I hope Jong stays. He showed early on he rises in the big games.

[Axe Man]

Lin Jong pursued by Gold Coast as Collingwood’s hopes of landing Bulldog fade (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lin-jong-pursued-by-gold-coast-as-collingwoods-hopes-of-landing-bulldog-fade/news-story/938d63bc0d3297fd3443ff0001c2af08)

COLLINGWOOD’S hopes of landing Lin Jong are fading as Gold Coast circle the Western Bulldogs midfielder.

The Suns have emerged as the frontrunner to land the powerful ballwinner as they look to replace departing stars Dion Prestia and Jaeger O’Meara.

Jong has likely played his last game for the Bulldogs after injuring his collarbone in Friday night’s elimination final win over West Coast.

The midfielder was in tears on the bench after his night prematurely ended in the second term.

Richmond is poised to secure Prestia, while Hawthorn and Essendon are understood to be in the box seat for luckless O’Meara.

The Suns tried to secure Jong in last year’s trade period and have considerable scope to broker a deal with the Dogs, with six picks inside the top-30 selections of November’s national draft.

Gold Coast is eyeing a large number of midfield prospects to help fill the gaps in its centre-line, including Port Adelaide game breaker Hamish Hartlett and Geelong’s George Horlin-Smith.

While the Dogs want to keep Jong, 23, he remains unsigned beyond this season after rebuffing their latest contract offer.

The 188cm tough nut has been mooted as a straight-swap for Collingwood spearhead Travis Cloke in recent weeks but the Dogs are not keen on that deal.

Instead, Cloke’s move to the kennel could be sealed with a third-round selection.

Jong has played every senior game for the Dogs since he toured Collingwood’s facilities mid-season, and is highly-rated for his work-rate and hardness.

He has averaged 17 disposals and almost a goal a game from his 15 matches this season.

However, his spot in the Bulldogs’ senior team cannot be guaranteed next season when banned Bomber Stewart Crameri and hard nut midfielder Mitch Wallis return.

Jong is weighing up his options in a bid to enhance his job security after managing 39 senior games in five AFL seasons.

The Dogs have been decimated by injuries this season and have used 39 players on their list, allowing others such as Jong, to step up for coach Luke Beveridge.

But he would almost certainly clinch a starting midfield berth at Gold Coast next season as the battling franchise club looks to rebuild its engine room.

Collingwood is believed to be eyeing other targets, including Fremantle free agent Chris Mayne and Greater Western Sydney speedster Will Hoskin-Elliott.

Mayne suits Collingwood’s desire to go for a more mobile forward set-up next season.

The Magpies have the salary cap to accommodate some incoming senior players to bolster Nathan Buckley’s team but they are restricted in terms of draft picks.

Collingwood does not have a first-round pick in this year’s draft and will need to bank draft points to land father-son prospects Callum Brown and Josh Daicos.

[bornadog]

Love to keep Jong, but if he were to leave then GC is the best option for us to pick up some more early picks.

[EasternWest]

Love to keep Jong, but if he were to leave then GC is the best option for us to pick up some more early picks.

I've flipped and flopped a bit on Jong. So many things I love about him. My head says go but my heart says stay.

If he goes, then best outcome is we score something good in return and he gets a ripper contract elsewhere. Everyone is a winner.

[Axe Man]

Love to keep Jong, but if he were to leave then GC is the best option for us to pick up some more early picks.

Agreed. Gold Coast have 4 picks in the 20s - one of them would do quite nicely.

[Mofra]

Agreed. Gold Coast have 4 picks in the 20s - one of them would do quite nicely.
Yep - GCS are desperate for players who are ready made and need hardness in the middle, 4 more kids won't help them in that area.
If we could get one of those then perhaps package up a couple of 4th rounders for a 3rd to nab Cloke we should be doing cartwheels.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I'd actually prefer to keep him now.

Jong is built for finals. He was going well prior to injury yet again in a big final.

Early-ish draft picks are all well and good, but they are still very hit and miss.

[Happy Days]

FWIW my "intel" is suggesting we've offered Lin a contract, but it's one with a not insignificant pay cut. If we really want him then it won't take much to keep him, especially with the Hurley offer being six feet under.

[comrade]

FWIW my "intel" is suggesting we've offered Lin a contract, but it's one with a not insignificant pay cut. If we really want him then it won't take much to keep him, especially with the Hurley offer being six feet under.

A pay cut? Geez, what sort of money was he on previously?

[Happy Days]

A pay cut? Geez, what sort of money was he on previously?

Not sure, but I think this gets cleared up pretty soon. He wants to stay.

[hujsh]

Lets not Ward him.

[azabob]

FWIW my "intel" is suggesting we've offered Lin a contract, but it's one with a not insignificant pay cut. If we really want him then it won't take much to keep him, especially with the Hurley offer being six feet under.

Surely if we put an extra year on the table to sweeten the deal also.

I am of the view he is now more vital to our structure than Hrovat.

[Happy Days]

Surely if we put an extra year on the table to sweeten the deal also.

I am of the view he is now more vital to our structure than Hrovat.

I disagree, but then again I think I rate Hrovat higher than I should.

[Remi Moses]

I'd actually prefer to keep him now.

Jong is built for finals. He was going well prior to injury yet again in a big final.

Early-ish draft picks are all well and good, but they are still very hit and miss.
Disagree with that . Our recruiting record has been excellent in the last few years , and the chances of a hit are more likely than a miss

[Remi Moses]

With all due respect losing Lin isn't nearly as painful as losing Ward .
I'd keep Lin ahead of Honeychurch or Stevens, but Gold Coast with their truckload of picks is good news

[westbulldog]

I think Lin Jong is well worthy of a decent contract. I don't see what Cloke will bring to us, waste of $ imo, he is not in the same league as Barry Hall was when he transferred to us.

[hujsh]

With all due respect losing Lin isn't nearly as painful as losing Ward .
I'd keep Lin ahead of Honeychurch or Stevens, but Gold Coast with their truckload of picks is good news

Don't mean to equate the two.

If we want to keep him and we lose him because we tried to low-ball him it would be disappointing though

[comrade]

Some weird stuff going on if we've offered Jong a pay cut and have pulled an offer from M Boyd.

Either our salary cap is under pressure which I don't believe it is, or we've got a significant trade target on the line.

[bulldogtragic]

Some weird stuff going on if we've offered Jong a pay cut and have pulled an offer from M Boyd.

Either our salary cap is under pressure which I don't believe it is, or we've got a significant trade target on the line.

The White noise makes no sense. The extra stuff today about Hrovat being unhappy with the club about the amount of games played, but not mentioning he did his shoulder badly and came back quickly after resuming fitness.... Never let the truth get in way of a good news day for the Western Bulldogs.

[chef]

yep. 99% of everything rumour wise at this time of year is either clickbait or crap.

[Happy Days]

Hun reporting Hrovat is going to request a trade.

[bulldogtragic]

Hun reporting Hrovat is going to request a trade.

I'll take that with a grain of salt.

[mjp]

Hun reporting Hrovat is going to request a trade.

What if he plays this week and plays well?

Just seems so strange that this would become public now.

[AndrewP6]

Going back and reading the start of this thread is quite interesting!

[G-Mo77]

What if he plays this week and plays well?

Just seems so strange that this would become public now.

Guess work, dropped so wants to leave. Because we're in the headlines and it'll get someone to click. It's like everyone who is out of contract is linked to Collingwood in some way, you'd think they have 70 spots on their list. Hrovat contracted next season.

[Doc26]

This is the extract from the HUN by Jon Ralph on Hrovat. Make of it what you will.


WESTERN Bulldog Nathan Hrovat has parked contract talks, with the 22-year-old likely to find a new home with greater opportunities next year.

He has several offers with rival clubs, having endured a difficult year with injury then after being dropped last night after finally working his way into the senior side.

Hrovat was taken at pick 21 in the 2012 draft and has had his spot taken by Rising Star runner up Caleb Daniel, with the Dogs flushed with smart young midfielders.

[chef]

Is he out if contract?

[bulldogtragic]

That's nothing above. Of course he has offers, and probably one from us. He plays this week and then the story has even less cred.

[bulldogtragic]

Is he out if contract?

Yep. Apparently had several offers last year too. He and we didn't split then either.

[Mantis]

Yep. Apparently had several offers last year too. He and we didn't split then either.

But wasn't he under contract last year?

[jeemak]

I'm sticking to my guns on Jong, and want him to be traded while his currency is high as it is now. I still don't trust him with the footy when the chips are down and we're under pressure, his solid improvement across the board has probably meant this is his only major glaring weakness now, though it's one I struggle to get over.

If Hrovat wants to move elsewhere due to not being happy about the amount of game time he's receiving then he's ahead of himself given his injury issues. But as MJP says, if he plays next week then it's false reasoning on his behalf.........if it is actually on his behalf.

[bulldogtragic]

But wasn't he under contract last year?

He was, but he wasn't traded by his or our instigation is my only point. A player having offers doesn't in and of itself mean he's leaving. The Hun piece is supposition and little of substance, that's no surprise I guess.

[KT31]

As much as he is growing on me and I still don't see him as in our best side, if we get an early second rounder I would be wrapped but would very disappointed for a straight swap with Cloke.

[G-Mo77]

Yep. Apparently had several offers last year too. He and we didn't split then either.

I thought he had another year.

[bulldogtragic]

I thought he had another year.

Could, let me google.

[bulldogtragic]

The last I found was a three year extension until the end on 2016.

[G-Mo77]

The last I found was a three year extension until the end on 2016.

Yeah there is a good thread on BF that has the contract lengths. He's out of contract according to that. He'd be crazy to sign with us until exploring his options. Hope he stays

[bulldogtragic]

In our game of musical chairs, the music is about to stop in two weeks. Campbell re-signed, Boyd & Smith appears certs from the mouth of Bevo & Smith today. Minimum of 4 changes with Cloke joining.

That leaves only 6 uncontracted players for these 4 changes/movements (less any trade requests): Prudden, Minson, Jong (2 year offer to him), Stevens, Hrovat & Hamling (2 year offer to him).

It's getting tight.

[Dry Rot]

In our game of musical chairs, the music is about to stop in two weeks. Campbell re-signed, Boyd & Smith appears certs from the mouth of Bevo & Smith today. Minimum of 4 changes with Cloke joining.

That leaves only 6 uncontracted players for these 4 changes/movements (less any trade requests): Prudden, Minson, Jong (2 year offer to him), Stevens, Hrovat & Hamling (2 year offer to him).

It's getting tight.

I'd say all are certain to go bar Hamling.

Have read rumours about Hrovat -> Carlton's third (maybe use that on Cloke?). Stevens could end up going to the Bombers for nothing via the PSD.

So we might get a second rounder for Jong out of all that.

Hope Hamling stays, but if he heads west then IIRC Freo don't have a second round pick.

[Dry Rot]

Have read rumours that Hawk's Breust (sp?) might be trade bait. Thoughts?

[bulldogtragic]

I'd say all are certain to go bar Hamling.

Have read rumours about Hrovat -> Carlton's third (maybe use that on Cloke?). Stevens could end up going to the Bombers for nothing via the PSD.

So we might get a second rounder for Jong out of all that.

Hope Hamling stays, but if he heads west then IIRC Freo don't have a second round pick.

Hrovat for a third rounder (circa pick 46) is an epic fail of a trade. Not signing or more so trading Stevens and getting nothing is another epic fail. I don't see either happening.

[bornadog]

Have read rumours that Hawk's Breust (sp?) might be trade bait. Thoughts?

I like Breust, could fit in nicely.

[bulldogtragic]

I like Breust, could fit in nicely.

First rounder or early second? His name was mentioned as being added to their first rounder to get Jaeger.

[Dry Rot]

WCE has expressed interest in Hogan.

If they got him, should we have a crack at getting Darling?

[Dry Rot]

Hrovat for a third rounder (circa pick 46) is an epic fail of a trade. Not signing or more so trading Stevens and getting nothing is another epic fail. I don't see either happening.

Agree both an epic fail but I could see it happening.

[bulldogtragic]

WCE has expressed interest in Hogan.

If they got him, should we have a crack at getting Darling?

Is that for this year or next year?

[1eyedog]

WCE has expressed interest in Hogan.

If they got him, should we have a crack at getting Darling?

Prefer the other end. With Cloke and Crammers coming in our forward line options are strong. If we were to target someone from them I hope its Mackenzie.

[Dry Rot]

Is that for this year or next year?


Rumour is that Hogan's father has cancer and he wants to move back now.

[bulldogtragic]

Rumour is that Hogan's father has cancer and he wants to move back now.

Then I'd be asking/demanding for Kennedy or Darling & a first rounder. For all their big forwards, Clarke was traded, Howe (not KPPs) was traded, Dawes is shit, Fitzpatrick was delisted & if Hogan is traded they're at square one again relying on Watts with him getting the best defender again. Far from ideal.

[bulldogtragic]

Ok. So Smith & Hamling (or their managers) have said they're staying. Campbell & Hamilton signed too. We have two rookie spots open.

So uncontracted & have attracted other club's interest: Jong, Stevens, Hrovat (3)
Retirement Questions: Minson & now Matty Boyd (from his comments Sunday on Ch7) (2)
Delisting candidate: Prudden (1)

So that leaves 6 potential list changes. My guess is maybe 4 or 5, with 3/4 draft picks & Cloke or if 5 changes maybe 3 draft picks, Cloke and another trade/free agent. Fairly minimalist, but reflects a strong list and team cohesion after a premiership.

[1eyedog]

Ok. So Smith & Hamling (or their managers) have said they're staying. Campbell & Hamilton signed too. We have two rookie spots open.

So uncontracted & have attracted other club's interest: Jong, Stevens, Hrovat (3)
Retirement Questions: Minson & now Matty Boyd (from his comments Sunday on Ch7) (2)
Delisting candidate: Prudden (1)

So that leaves 6 potential list changes. My guess is maybe 4 or 5, with 3/4 draft picks & Cloke or if 5 changes maybe 3 draft picks, Cloke and another trade/free agent. Fairly minimalist, but reflects a strong list and team cohesion after a premiership.

What did Boydy say re. his future BT?

[bulldogtragic]

What did Boydy say re. his future BT?

He said during the week retiring as a premiership player would be a good way to go out. He was asked about this comment and his future with his good form this season, and he said he will take a couple of weeks to think about his playing future now.

[EasternWest]

I read on Twitter today that Honeychurch wants to stay. I commend him for that. Must be very tempting to leave, shows a lot of fortitude to want to stay.

[bulldogtragic]

I read on Twitter today that Honeychurch wants to stay. I commend him for that. Must be very tempting to leave, shows a lot of fortitude to want to stay.

I just read something on that that. The headline I read is a bit stronger than what JMac said. JMac said he's a contracted player and hasn't requested desire to be traded and wants to add an AFL premiership to his two VFL premierships. Could that just be posturing? I'm very cynical at this time of year... We will not trade Tom Boyd in any circumstances...

[EasternWest]

I just read something on that that. The headline I read is a bit stronger than what JMac said. JMac said he's a contracted player and hasn't requested desire to be traded and wants to add an AFL premiership to his two VFL premierships. Could that just be posturing? I'm very cynical at this time of year... We will not trade Tom Boyd in any circumstances...

It's a good point. I'd prefer we looked at trading out Bontempelli or Wood than Boyd ....

[bulldogtragic]

It's a good point. I'd prefer we looked at trading out Bontempelli or Wood than Boyd ....

Well we did steal from Essendon. Because as Essendon FC said, the Crameri deal should've included pick 4 and they were going to take Bonts with it....

[MrMahatma]

Would be a shame to lose Hrovat. Rate him highly.

[LostDoggy]

https://omny.fm/shows/trade-radio/jason-mccartney-on-nab-afl-trade-radio

Jason McCartney was on trade radio today. Highlights:

- rates Hamling as his favourite ever trade.
- has put offer to MBoyd, expects him to stay.
- has had 'good chats' with Jong and management. Hopeful he'll stay.
- doesn't see we'll be major players in trade week.
- gives it to Barrett re: Tom Boyd :) (10.40-13.20) Barrett snarky at the end, what a tool

[lemmon]

Would be a shame to lose Hrovat. Rate him highly.

He's the one I'm most keen to keep, think he's got the highest ceiling.

Lots of good players and not enough spots

[chef]

Is upgrading our first round pick considered trading our first pick and affecting the 2 in 4 rule?

[bulldogtragic]

JMac: There's a bit of work with those two (Stevens & Hrovat)

Both goneski?

[Ozza]

JMac: There's a bit of work with those two (Stevens & Hrovat)

Both goneski?

My understanding is that Stevens is definitely gone. Hrovat I don't have any mail on.

[bulldogtragic]

My understanding is that Stevens is definitely gone. Hrovat I don't have any mail on.

Cool, i can live with trying to get something ok for Stevens. JMac said its 3 picks plus Cloke and there's two players we are interested in getting.

So it might be 5 changes. Minson, Prudden, Stevens and two others from Matty Boyd (if he retires, he has a contract offer), Hrovat, Honeychurch (although JMac says he's staying) & Jong.

[bornadog]

JMac on SEN here (https://audioboom.com/boos/5122840-bulldogs-list-manager-jason-mccartney-discusses-how-he-built-a-premiership-list)

[choconmientay]

Carlton join the race for Hrovat (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-04/blues-among-suitors-for-uncontracted-bulldog-nathan-hrovat)

[bulldogtragic]

Carlton join the race for Hrovat (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-04/blues-among-suitors-for-uncontracted-bulldog-nathan-hrovat)

Hrovat needs to look closely at what happens to players that Carlton get that the dogs let go (Jones, Tutt, J. Foster). I'd like to re-sign him, but if a team like GCS made us a juicy offer and offered him a good deal, it'd be tempting.

[choconmientay]

Hrovat needs to look closely at what happens to players that Carlton get that the dogs let go (Jones, Tutt, J. Foster). I'd like to re-sign him, but if a team like GCS made us a juicy offer and offered him a good deal, it'd be tempting.

Can we also count Andrejs Everitt into that list?

It's a test of Hrovat character isn't it? He needs to challenge himself next year to break into the team and stay in for a longer period. If he takes the easy way out, then I would think he'll look for opportunity somewhere else. I also hope for him to stay put.

[josie]

It's a good point. I'd prefer we looked at trading out Bontempelli or Wood than Boyd ....

It would devastate me to lose any of these 3 wonderful players. I also now think T Boyd feels like he is at home and really one of the boys. You can see his smile become broader, and his sense of belonging grow both on ground with his astounding improvement and when he sang song with the rest of team throughout finals.

[EasternWest]

It would devastate me to lose any of these 3 wonderful players. I also now think T Boyd feels like he is at home and really one of the boys. You can see his smile become broader, and his sense of belonging grow both on ground with his astounding improvement and when he sang song with the rest of team throughout finals.

Yeah I agree Josie. I was just messing about.

[bulldogtragic]

So need to fill in a few blanks:

PL: (1) Minson (2) ?Stevens? (3) ?Prudden? (4) ?Jong or Hrovat? (5) ?????
RL: (1) Adcock (2) Goetz

In: Cloke

[bulldogtragic]

Koby's manager has said there has been a lot of outside interest in Koby.

[hujsh]

Talk on AFL trade radio of picking up Isaac Heeney. Any interest in poaching him? We must have some Hurley money unaccounted for. Though Wallace suggesting $900,000 to get him over may make Melbourne and St.Kilda more suitable destinations.

[The Doctor]

I'd love Heeney but not at $900k. I doubt Swans would let him go

[G-Mo77]

So need to fill in a few blanks:

PL: (1) Minson (2) ?Stevens? (3) ?Prudden? (4) ?Jong or Hrovat? (5) ?????
RL: (1) Adcock (2) Goetz

In: Cloke

I haven't heard a thing on Prudden. I think he'll stay on the list.

Boyd may retire. Hamling still hasn't officially signed yet.

Roarke upgrade?

3 picks will be enough IMO

[GVGjr]

I haven't heard a thing on Prudden. I think he'll stay on the list.

Boyd may retire. Hamling still hasn't officially signed yet.

Roarke upgrade?

3 picks will be enough IMO

It needs to be deeper. I'd think 5 or 6 would be better.

We have a very good list but complacency won't serve us well in the short or long term.

[G-Mo77]

It needs to be deeper. I'd think 5 or 6 would be better.

We have a very good list but complacency won't serve us well in the short or long term.

Then we could be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Take 5 - 6 away we weaken our depth if we bring in first year players.

[bulldogtragic]

It needs to be deeper. I'd think 5 or 6 would be better.

We have a very good list but complacency won't serve us well in the short or long term.

Agree with you G, I think 5 is about right. We don't seem to linked with anyone other than Cloke and JMac says we only have interest in two players. So we are looking at 4 picks or 3 if we land a second player.

As someone else noted, if Jong holds value to GCS would we enquire with Prestia or Jaeger, or perhaps look at a three way trade with Richmond or Hawthorn. Do either team have someone gettable we want? Deledio? Tim O'Brien? Duryea? Etc.

[Twodogs]

So need to fill in a few blanks:

PL: (1) Minson (2) ?Stevens? (3) ?Prudden? (4) ?Jong or Hrovat? (5) ?????
RL: (1) Adcock (2) Goetz

In: Cloke

I have a feeling that Deledio might be an in. I don't know why but even before there was any suggestion he was leaving Richmond I just had an unshakeable feeling that Lids will be in our colours next year. It's been a few months now.

[bulldogtragic]

I have a feeling that Deledio might be an in. I don't know why but even before there was any suggestion he was leaving Richmond I just had an unshakeable feeling that Lids will be in our colours next year. It's been a few months now.

Deledio mentioned in a radio interview mid-season the boys were hanging shit on him saying he didn't need to worry about anything because he was going the Bulldogs at the end of the year... :D

Funny or true?

[GVGjr]

Then we could be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Take 5 - 6 away we weaken our depth if we bring in first year players.

But that's only 2 or 3 more than the minimum changes required. In a good draft with a great recruiting team I think we can bring in players that can improve the list.

We need to find a ruckman either as a quick fix or someone who can at least provide an option for next year. I'd still look closely at finding a key defender. We have Cloke coming in and we most likely need to find replacements for Jong, Stevens and maybe Hrovat or Honeychurch.

I think we can do five changes easily.

[bulldogtragic]

But that's only 2 or 3 more than the minimum changes required. In a good draft with a great recruiting team I think we can bring in players that can improve the list.

We need to find a ruckman either as a quick fix or someone who can at least provide an option for next year. I'd still look closely at finding a key defender. We have Cloke coming in and we most likely need to find replacements for Jong, Stevens and maybe Hrovat or Honeychurch.

I think we can do five changes easily.

Our first year players haven't been too bad recently either. McLean, Daniel, Adams, Dunkley, Williams playing in the debut years haven't hurt our depth.

[G-Mo77]

Our first year players haven't been too bad recently either. McLean, Daniel, Adams, Dunkley, Williams playing in the debut years haven't hurt our depth.

But rely on them each week all at once and then you're going to struggle. Take Jong, Hrovat and Stevens out and replace them with first year players. Do we cover the huge amount of injuries that we had? I understand we need to make changes and not sit on our hands but I'm not going to throw players out just for the sake of it. Our picks are low in each round, we don't have a 3rd either so we'd really need another 2nd and at least another 3rd before I'd be comfortable making big changes to an already strong list.

[GVGjr]

But rely on them each week all at once and then you're going to struggle. Take Jong, Hrovat and Stevens out and replace them with first year players. Do we cover the huge amount of injuries that we had? I understand we need to make changes and not sit on our hands but I'm not going to throw players out just for the sake of it. Our picks are low in each round, we don't have a 3rd either so we'd really need another 2nd and at least another 3rd before I'd be comfortable making big changes to an already strong list.

I'm not saying we have to just draft youngsters but I do think we can both draft and trade to improve the list
The fact that we have both Cloke and Crameri coming in minimises and concerns over the depth of the playing list for me

[G-Mo77]

But that's only 2 or 3 more than the minimum changes required. In a good draft with a great recruiting team I think we can bring in players that can improve the list.

We need to find a ruckman either as a quick fix or someone who can at least provide an option for next year. I'd still look closely at finding a key defender. We have Cloke coming in and we most likely need to find replacements for Jong, Stevens and maybe Hrovat or Honeychurch.

I think we can do five changes easily.

So Minson, Stevens, Hrovat, Jong, Honeychurch.

In Cloke.

4 picks? Or would you cut deeper?

Boyd, Hamling still out there unsigned as well.

[Remi Moses]

Gotta be really careful we don't sway to far one way .

[GVGjr]

So Minson, Stevens, Hrovat, Jong, Honeychurch.

In Cloke.

4 picks? Or would you cut deeper?

Boyd, Hamling still out there unsigned as well.

I don't think we lose much if Prudden gets delisted and I'd be happy enough if Hrovat or Honeychurch stays.

[soupman]

But rely on them each week all at once and then you're going to struggle. Take Jong, Hrovat and Stevens out and replace them with first year players. Do we cover the huge amount of injuries that we had? I understand we need to make changes and not sit on our hands but I'm not going to throw players out just for the sake of it. Our picks are low in each round, we don't have a 3rd either so we'd really need another 2nd and at least another 3rd before I'd be comfortable making big changes to an already strong list.
Not sure we struggle missing those.

Stevebs played the first half and that was it, Jong pretty much replaced him for the second half of the year, and Hrovat played a cameo role this season at best. So maybe thats one spot in our best 25 (note, not best 22) we need to replace wth depth.

When you consider Webb, Williams and Dale should all be pushing for that same spot in the best 25 then I think we will be right. It isn't as if losing them needs we have to cover the loss of best 22 players.

[bulldogtragic]

Anyone starting to feel the squeeze? For argument sake take Hamling, Honeychurch & Smith at their word that they are staying.

Take Minson, Prudden & Koby as gone.

With three picks & Cloke we need four gone. The fourth then comes down to two players. One is Matty Boyd, for one year of probably very good footy, or potentially several good years from Hrovat. If Matty wants to play on JMac has said he's got a contract.

Feels like a squeeze that we will lose someone who may offer something next year.

[chef]

What has Hamling said?

[bornadog]

I don't think we lose much if Prudden gets delisted and I'd be happy enough if Hrovat or Honeychurch stays.

My gut says we cut Prudden. Maybe end up on Rookie list again.

[bornadog]

What has Hamling said?

Only this (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-grand-final-2016-joel-hamling-says-hes-staying-at-western-bulldogs-20160926-groyyg.html)report from 26 September

[bulldogtragic]

What has Hamling said?

Told Fairfax last week he is staying put.

[chef]

Cool

[G-Mo77]

My gut says we cut Prudden. Maybe end up on Rookie list again.

Yeah I think we'll rookie him as well should no one else want to take him.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

SEN said this morning that Hamling has requested a trade to Freo but I thought he had recently signed for two more years?

[G-Mo77]

SEN said this morning that Hamling has requested a trade to Freo but I thought he had recently signed for two more years?

Nope. He's out of contract.

[hujsh]

SEN said this morning that Hamling has requested a trade to Freo but I thought he had recently signed for two more years?

Came from a text. Someone on the Other Site posted the rumour as well. At this stage it's just that IMO.

Supposedly he has an ill family member in WA that's the impetus for the move. Much like Hogan.

[Ozza]

Told Fairfax last week he is staying put.

Spoke to Hamling at the B&F....and not that what he says to a supporter means that much - but I said 'We'd all love for you to stay' - and he said 'I'm trying to'.

Went to a luncheon today and Travis Cloke, Jake Stringer and Liam Picken were amongst the guests.

Fair to say that my opinion hasn't changed on us acquiring Cloke.

Leave. Me. Out.

[bulldogtragic]

Spoke to Hamling at the B&F....and not that what he says to a supporter means that much - but I said 'We'd all love for you to stay' - and he said 'I'm trying to'.

Went to a luncheon today and Travis Cloke, Jake Stringer and Liam Picken were amongst the guests.

Fair to say that my opinion hasn't changed on us acquiring Cloke.

Leave. Me. Out.

"I'm trying to". That's a fair bit off my ideal response from him.

[Hotdog60]

If Hamling decides to part ways what pick will Freo have to give up?

[FrediKanoute]

After his finals performances - a 2nd round pick I think is the right amount, though it will probably be a 3rd rounder

[bulldogtragic]

If Hamling decides to part ways what pick will Freo have to give up?

They don't have second rounders, and I dare say he's now worth more than a pick 40 odd (their third rounder).

Might have to be a player or get into the Ballantyne trade to get something from WCE if Hamling requests a trade.

[hujsh]

"I'm trying to". That's a fair bit off my ideal response from him.
I think it means I want to stay at the Dogs but we have to work things out. Which is fair enough as he has every right to look elsewhere if our offer is subpar.

[bulldogtragic]

I think it means I want to stay at the Dogs but we have to work things out. Which is fair enough as he has every right to look elsewhere if our offer is subpar.

Agreed, no issue with what he said. I just hoped his situation, contract, years, dollars would be 'yep I'm staying'.

[Sedat]

After his finals performances - a 2nd round pick I think is the right amount, though it will probably be a 3rd rounder

How about we give them our first rounder as well and take Fyfe off their hands?

[bulldogtragic]

How about we give them our first rounder as well and take Fyfe off their hands?

Fyffe's name is still getting mentioned. His manager has mentioned he's received numerous offers already. We are holding as much as $2,000,000 banked in the salary cap. Plus with Minson & Stevens gone, and if Boyd retires, we could comfortable fit him our cap and use the cap rise via the EBA to re-sign our pups. So we are actually able to afford him. The trade is the issue. Whether Hamling, pick 18, a second rounder from Stevens & first rounder 2017 is enough. They do need first and second rounders to land Hill & McCarthy etc. and to keep pick 4.

It's fun to think that we won the premiership and have a war chest to buy a guy like Fyffe.

[divvydan]

One thing that is a problem for us in acquiring Fyfe or anyone of that ilk is the minimum 2 first round picks every 4 years requirement that has come in as part of the AFL's future-pick policy. Given that we didn't have a first round pick last year (or in 2014 but that luckily doesn't count), we need to use at least 2 first round picks between now and 2018. If we were to give up pick #18 this year, then we wouldn't be able to trade out our first round draft pick in either of the following two seasons unless we found a way to get one back in beforehand.

Basically, if we offered #18 and first round 2017 in a deal, we would then need to trade in another first round pick next year or in 2018.

[G-Mo77]

Clay Smith locked in for 1 season.

Bulldogs Online ‏@bulldogonline 10 minutes ago
ONE MORE FOR CLAY
Midfielder Clay Smith has signed a one year extension to remain at Western Bulldogs.

[bulldogtragic]

Well now it's officially Prudden, Stevens, Hrovat, Hamling & Boyd unsigned. Need 3 or 4 of them gone. Likely (Prudden, Stevens &) one or two of Hrovat, Hamling & Boyd.

[AndrewP6]

Well now it's officially Prudden, Stevens, Hrovat, Hamling & Boyd unsigned. Need 3 or 4 of them gone. Likely one or two of Hamling, Hamling & Boyd.

That's harsh, getting rid of him twice! :D