Bankers and Anchors - Round 3 2016

[Eastdog]

This is the round 3 edition of the Weekly Bankers and Anchors Thread. Once the game against Hawthorn is concluded post your nominations for:

The Bankers = 3 guys that you we banked on to do the right thing during the game
The Anchors = 3 guys that weighed us down by their errors or poor play

Please limit it to no more than three of each, but feel free to make honourable/dishonourable mentions. As usual try to make it constructive criticism.

Try and restrict it to individual players rather than aspects of the overall match.

The thread is named in honour of a popular WOOF Contributor, The Banker, who passed away on 22/04/2012 after a six month battle with cancer.

[GVGjr]

A few Bankers this week

[bulldogtragic]

B:

Dahl
Libba
Tom Boyd

A:

Bobs knee
Stringers stuff up at the end of 3rd that could've made the distance too great for them
Losing from 19 points up at 3/4 time

[KT31]

B:

Stringers stuff up at the end of 3rd that could've made the distance too great for them


Not to mention the one in the first minute.

[LostDoggy]

Bankers:
- Dahlhaus. Most determination and intensity I've seen him play with in a while, reminds me of his early days a bit.
- Daniel. Love this little nugget, pops up everywhere and tried his heart out.
- Roughead. I'll admit, I definitely have not been his biggest fan over the years but he's definitely growing on me with his improvement. I thought he was pretty good.

Anchors:
-JJ. What milestone game? Where were you?
- Stringer. Come on mate, feel free to help out a bit.
- Umpiring. What the actual efffffffffff.

[AndrewP6]

B
- Dahlhaus. Enormous.
- Daniel. Love the little bloke.
- Roughy.
Honourable mention to Grizz, I like his game.

A
- Execution. When we get this right...
- Stringer. Hate to Anchor him but he needs to do better.
- Dawks people jeering Murph. Classless.
Special anchor to the guy who failed in three attempts to take a pic of me and Crammers. It ain't that hard.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

B
Libba I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone more unwilling to lose a contested ball.

Dahlhaus I don't know how he can stay so energetic across 4 Qtrs playing at his speed. He just always seems to be in the thick of it all game, and at high speed.

A.
Stringers game today was putrid. Less the Package than was parcel thats been sat on.
The umpires- in the first half the Hawks were the beneficiaries of their largesse in the second half i think we on the end of some doubtful even-uppers.
3. Bob's knee. Just soul-destroying if this is how it ends.

[Greystache]

Bankers

Dahl- Effort as always, but execution was way up on normal. BOG for me.

Adams- Conceded a couple of marks that hurt us but kept us in it when the tide was against us.

Daniel- Started poorly but improved his efficiency as the game wore on and he was everywhere.

Anchors

Stringer- Was probably the difference between the two sides today. Given a bath by Stratton and the few times he got the ball he used it to Hawthorn's advantage.

Defensive set up- Why we would press up right to the forward 50m leaving multiple players out the back when all we needed to do was keep the ball in our half and force a stoppage? Just panic and no composure.

Another big game another close loss- 2 of our last 4 games have been close loses in big games when we've been in front late in red time. Massive concerns for what is supposed to be a new generation without the scars of the past.

[hujsh]

- Dawks people jeering Murph. Classless.


The *!*!*!*!ing bitch next to me yelling "you're too old, retire Murph" made me want to point out that a) she's looking at the oldest team in the comp and b) Murph deserves some respect unlike snipes and thugs at Hawthorn.

Such nuance would be lost at the football

[always right]

B
Our comeback from 5 goals down was very satisfying.
Libba and Wallis were huge in getting us back into the game along with Dahl.
Caleb Daniel just played his breakout game.

A
Stringer.....a nightmare day.
Our defensive set up for the winning goal
Murph......it just isn't fair.

[EasternWest]

Banker

Daniel smashing Ceglar at the top of the goal square. Says all you need to know about him.

[westbulldog]

Banker
The whole team, no-one holds any fears for us and don't Hawthorn know it.

Anchors
Deplorable first quarter umpiring, how Chamberlain continues to get a gig is beyond belief.
We needed another big man up forward.
Any person at the game who clapped Bob's injury, he is the All-Australian Captain and you are simply lowlifes.

[kruder]

B
Libba I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone more unwilling to lose a contested ball.

Dahlhaus I don't know how he can stay so energetic across 4 Qtrs playing at his speed. He just always seems to be in the thick of it all game, and at high speed.

A.
Stringers game today was putrid. Less the Package than was parcel thats been sat on.
The umpires- in the first half the Hawks were the beneficiaries of their largesse in the second half i think we on the end of some doubtful even-uppers.
3. Bob's knee. Just soul-destroying if this is how it ends.

Libba tried hard no doubt but i thought his hands were poor for most of the day compared to his normal standards. Will bet better for the run for sure.

[SonofScray]

B:

Tackling, particularly in the 2nd half was aggressive and mostly effective.
Boyd in the ruck and inside 50 grew as the game wore on, took his big moment. Wish he nailed the easier set shot though,
Bulldog crowd was very parochial, really fired up when the match was in the balance.

A:
7 goals against directly from free kicks.
Bob :(
Inability to find a way to get the result.

[ratsmac]

Bankers

1. Marcus Adams - another great game. His marking is as good as it gets. He just needs to work on his disposal and when to spoil if he is out of position.

2. Roughead - to be 3rd in the pecking order for the 1st ruck position and play the way he is shows he is made of the right stuff. He's keeping Minson and Campbell back at Footscray.

3. Dahl - his efforts were unbelievable. He must wake up a sore boy after games.

Anchors

1.Stringer - he had a severe case of the fumbles today. He was almost all day.

2. Bob's knee - footy is so unfair sometimes.

3. Umpires - seriously, they surely couldn't accept their pay packet this week. Some of those decisions were borderline cheating or borderline moronic but more than likely both. Those deliberate out of bounds were criminal.

[soupman]

Bankers:
Adams: Continued his very impressive start to his career. Made some simple disposal errors but more than made up for it with his intercept marking and tackling. Was very important in the absence of Wood.
Suckling: Was pleased with how well he started the game and one of the few players that looked dangerous early. His kicking can be really ambitious but when it comes off (which it did yesterday) it is sublime.
Roughead: I was not impressed at all by Roughy in the pre-season and had huge doubts over his ability to play ruck but he has been fantastic this season. A good aerial presence around the ground and if he can keep sneaking forward for the occasional goal that will be invaluable. Loved how he just ambled in after making that intercept in the second quarter.

Honourable mention to Dahlhaus who was our best and sensational.

Anchors:
Stringer: We need more from him when he isn't "on". So many nearly moments for him yesterday but was well held for the second week running. Needs to show an ability to still kick 2-3 goals on down days. Having said that pleased with his clutch shot at goal to take the lead.
Umpiring: Woeful. Was completely one sided in the first half against us, although we got some favourable ones later. Not sure there was much in that last Murphy contest, I certainly didn't think it was a free at the time.
Close loss: It's been discussed a bit in the gameday thread but it's disappointing to lose by such a close margin for a number of reasons. I am one that has our inability to close out games against good opposition playing in the back of my head, and I think this new generation is capable of doing it, but I'd feel much better about it if we had've proven it in either the EF or yesterday. The Sydney game fills me with hope and I am still optimistic, but I would like to see it backed up with some more results.

[Ozza]

Bankers:

Dahlhaus - relentless and so many brilliant moments. Such a passionate bulldog.
Daniel - love the little bloke. Thought he had a big say in turning the game around.
Adams - Another brilliant game. 15 marks.

Anchors:

Stringer - was poor and stuffed things up all day.
Libba - never seen him fumble and drop marks like yesterday. Even some poor decision making and skill execution.
When I looked up with 2 minutes to go - and saw we had overdone the 'press' and so many Hawthorn players were goal side of their opponent. I know its what we do - but there had to be an adjustment made in the late-game circumstances.

[Mantis]

Bankers:

Dahlhaus - Just a little warrior.. Willed himself to win contest after contest.

Our fightback - Real rabbits in the headlights early on, but the 45min we played from the mid point of the 2nd qtr to 3/4 time was exceptional.

Daniel - Horrible early, but he played a leading hand in our fightback.. Just continues to impress.

Anchors:

The first 10min of the last qtr & the last 2 min - Just fundamental mistakes & not sticking to structure.. We can't continue to make these types of errors.

Skill errors - Just way too many.. Many under minimal pressure too.. We need to be cleaner.

The deliberate out of bounds rule - Its a *!*!*!*!ing farce.

[bornadog]

When I looked up with 2 minutes to go - and saw we had overdone the 'press' and so many Hawthorn players were goal side of their opponent. I know its what we do - but there had to be an adjustment made in the late-game circumstances.

This was very disappointing at the end of a game. How the hell can Sicily and Breust be in the forward 50 with just Bob. Where the hell was Adams and Hamling.

[Mantis]

This was very disappointing at the end of a game. How the hell can Sicily and Breust be in the forward 50 with just Bob. Where the hell was Adams and Hamling?

They both pushed up high in the zone from the point kick out.. No-one, including these 2 bothered to look behind to watch Sicily sneak out the back.

[bornadog]

Anchors: The deliberate out of bounds rule - Its a *!*!*!*!ing farce.

Absolutely nailed it. This has got to be the single worse change in interpretation of a rule in 100 plus years of football. How Suckling can be pinged for this and giving Rioli a goal is just totally ridiculous.

[LostDoggy]

They both pushed up high in the zone from the point kick out.. No-one, including these 2 bothered to look behind to watch Sicily sneak out the back.

out the back goals in the adelaide final killed us - much the same as yesterday. Needs to be addressed asap. Do we blame the coaches for this setup or should the players be smart enough to think and react in the moment

[G-Mo77]

Absolutely nailed it. This has got to be the single worse change in interpretation of a rule in 100 plus years of football. How Suckling can be pinged for this and giving Rioli a goal is just totally ridiculous.

Mitchell got called for a shocker in the 4th as well, pity it was around the wing. There was one late when the Hawks players just booted it to the boundary line and it was called ball in. Probably the most blatant one of the lot.

[G-Mo77]

out the back goals in the adelaide final killed us - much the same as yesterday. Needs to be addressed asap. Do we blame the coaches for this setup or should the players be smart enough to think and react in the moment

It's got to fall on the players shoulders. I'm sure the coaches direct it but you can't be that rigid. If your player is cheating you must keep him in check not just let him run loose.

[Ozza]

They both pushed up high in the zone from the point kick out.. No-one, including these 2 bothered to look behind to watch Sicily sneak out the back.

Don't forget Johannisen - who was up on the half forward flank - 15 metres at least in front of Puopolo.
His opponent didn't end up with the ball - but with Wood not in the side - you would hope JJ would identify that with his legspeed, he would be helpful further behind the ball at that point of the game.

The ability to read the situation of the game was ordinary from a few.

Where was Matthew Boyd?

[Mantis]

Absolutely nailed it. This has got to be the single worse change in interpretation of a rule in 100 plus years of football. How Suckling can be pinged for this and giving Rioli a goal is just totally ridiculous.

The Suckling one was line-ball.

The kicks out of congestion that went 50-60m were a joke.

[G-Mo77]

The Suckling one was line-ball.

The kicks out of congestion that went 50-60m were a joke.

Watching from TV it was pretty blatant and because it was Rioli around, who has his own umpire, it was always going to be a free against.

[bornadog]

The Suckling one was line-ball.

The kicks out of congestion that went 50-60m were a joke.

The Suckling one is how football has been played for over 100 years and overnight the AFL change the game. Not sure what else Suckling could do when he was falling over and trying to grab the ball.

The stupidity is you can punch the ball over the line when the ball is in a contested situation. I have had a gut full of these morons in AFL house sitting back in their ivory tower thinking of ways to change the game.

[Mantis]

From what I can tell watching the replay the culprit was either Morris or Adams... Hamling had a man, possibly Gunston.

But we were browns cows getting back in transition.. As Ozza has pointed you would think we would set the zone up a little deeper at this point of the game to guard against the fast break/ one over teh top.

[always right]

Watching from TV it was pretty blatant and because it was Rioli around, who has his own umpire, it was always going to be a free against.
I don't understand how you can call deliberate when the player has been pushed.

[Ozza]

I guess when we defend as a unit - it was all of their responsibility. But very frustrating sitting in the stand - looking at the set up of the ground and seeing how weighted forward we were.

On an unrelated note - does anybody know why Koby Stevens only played 68% game time when most mids played around 80%?
Surely all going well, with Koby being one of our best runners - he could be out there more.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

From what I can tell watching the replay the culprit was either Morris or Adams... Hamling had a man, possibly Gunston.

But we were browns cows getting back in transition.. As Ozza has pointed you would think we would set the zone up a little deeper at this point of the game to guard against the fast break/ one over teh top.

It's absolutely unforgivable that this happened, again.

I know we're inexperienced to some degree (Adams, Hamling) but that should never, ever happen.

[Sedat]

The Suckling one is how football has been played for over 100 years and overnight the AFL change the game. Not sure what else Suckling could do when he was falling over and trying to grab the ball.

The stupidity is you can punch the ball over the line when the ball is in a contested situation. I have had a gut full of these morons in AFL house sitting back in their ivory tower thinking of ways to change the game.
I like the intent of the new interpretation but therein lies the problem - it is based on interpretation so there can be too much leniency given to one situation that is as blatant as a previous situation. I would be keen to see 'last possession OOB be given a free kick against' trialled in the NAB Challenge next season. This is black and white and leaves no room for inconsistent interpretation.

[always right]

I like the intent of the new interpretation but therein lies the problem - it is based on interpretation so there can be too much leniency given to one situation that is as blatant as a previous situation. I would be keen to see 'last possession OOB be given a free kick against' trialled in the NAB Challenge next season. This is black and white and leaves no room for inconsistent interpretation.
I pray this never comes in. I think it would be farcical watching blokes escorting the ball across the line as they do in soccer....or defenders being penalised simply for spoiling in the contest.

I'm happy with a tightening of the deliberate interpretation....the umpires just need time to strike the right balance, particularly when players are under physical pressure.

[Sedat]

I pray this never comes in. I think it would be farcical watching blokes escorting the ball across the line as they do in soccer....or defenders being penalised simply for spoiling in the contest.

I'm happy with a tightening of the deliberate interpretation....the umpires just need time to strike the right balance, particularly when players are under physical pressure.
I did say last possession and not last touch. Last touch would be farcical like you say.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Bankers.
Daniel. But gee I can't wait for the day where he can go NEAR a football without commentators calling him the wee man or the little fellow or the little man. He must be so sick of it. He's taller than Libber was (is) and I don't remember libber getting the 'wee man' treatment.

Dalhaus. With all the hype around our other young guns, you forget just how good he is and what a massive heart beats in that chest of his.

Adams. What a great find, he looks like they found him in a log cabin in alaska where he survived by eating grizzly bears which he hunted down with his bare hands. If he's this good after 3 games and one AFL preseason, imagine him in a few years! Lake wasn't this good at this age.........no where near it.

Anchors.
Having to endure the gloating triumphant Hawthorn crowd while watching Bob Murphy maybe end his career.
They've just won 3 flags FFS

It was like being a starving man watching a billionaire gloat about winning the meat raffle at the local primary school fete.

I just seethe at the injustice. I hate the fact that Hawthorn with all it's blue blood supporters who already have the holiday houses and the four wheel drives and the Real estate portfolios ALSO get all the premiership glory. There is most definitely no God.

Hawthorn being handed the first quarter, gently steamed on a platter with garnish, a full bodied red, and warmed, scented hand towels by the waiters..............sorry, the umpires.

Watching Sicily run completely unattended all the way down the wing to prop by himself at centre half forward with the entire crowd on our side of the ground screaming for someone to get on him. That sinking feeling of watching the inevitable unfold in front of your eyes.

And of course Bob. What a tragic minute of football that was. Please come back Bob. Please play next year.

[bornadog]

I like the intent of the new interpretation but therein lies the problem - it is based on interpretation so there can be too much leniency given to one situation that is as blatant as a previous situation. I would be keen to see 'last possession OOB be given a free kick against' trialled in the NAB Challenge next season. This is black and white and leaves no room for inconsistent interpretation.

It is opinions like this that end up changing the game. I always ask why do we need to change? What is the reason? What is wrong with the way it was? What are we trying to achieve?

[Sedat]

It is opinions like this that end up changing the game. I always ask why do we need to change? What is the reason? What is wrong with the way it was? What are we trying to achieve?
Because the game in the last few years has been dead boring - lax OOB interpretation causing too many boundary line stoppages, lax HTB interpretation causing too many around-the-ground stoppages, no cap on interchange resulting in fresher players who are able to run up and down the ground all day to clog the space resulting in even more stoppages. The game turned into stoppage porn for the likes of Ross Lyon and Paul Roos. Thankfully these 3 changes have made the game a far better spectacle overnight.

For mine, anything that is not a black & white rule is fundamentally flawed. Razor Ray might think one passage of play is deliberate OOB and then something arguably more deliberate is given the green light by another umpire.

[bornadog]

Because the game in the last few years has been dead boring - lax OOB interpretation causing too many boundary line stoppages, lax HTB interpretation causing too many around-the-ground stoppages, no cap on interchange resulting in fresher players who are able to run up and down the ground all day to clog the space resulting in even more stoppages. The game turned into stoppage porn for the likes of Ross Lyon and Paul Roos. Thankfully these 3 changes have made the game a far better spectacle overnight.

For mine, anything that is not a black & white rule is fundamentally flawed. Razor Ray might think one passage of play is deliberate OOB and then something arguably more deliberate is given the green light by another umpire.

Sedat, totally untrue,. Have a look at how Bevo had us playing last year without these changes. Now everyone is trying to copy us.

Rule changes will never ever, ever change the game to what you want the game to look like. The coaches will always come up with a strategy and those on the outside will try and change it as people have this romantic notion the game should be played a certain way. Ex 1980s footballers in powers of authority want the game to look like the 1980s. (God help us)

I am flabbergasted that people think by making a rule change the game will be played the way they think it looks good.

Have you been to a live match this year? Because by watching on TV you will have a different opinion.

[Sedat]

Sedat, totally untrue,. Have a look at how Bevo had us playing last year without these changes. Now everyone is trying to copy us.

Rule changes will never ever, ever change the game to what you want the game to look like. The coaches will always come up with a strategy and those on the outside will try and change it as people have this romantic notion the game should be played a certain way. Ex 1980s footballers in powers of authority want the game to look like the 1980s. (God help us)

I am flabbergasted that people think by making a rule change the game will be played the way they think it looks good.

Have you been to a live match this year? Because by watching on TV you will have a different opinion.
Agree to disagree. Before the sub rule came in and teams were rotating over 150 times a match, the game was stoppage after stoppage because all 36 players were fresh enough to all be in the general area of the ball. Umps were also advised to give as few free kicks as possible, which resulted in rolling maul after rolling maul because no one was ever pinged for HTB. The game was shithouse.

[Mantis]

On an unrelated note - does anybody know why Koby Stevens only played 68% game time when most mids played around 80%?
Surely all going well, with Koby being one of our best runners - he could be out there more.

Not sure, but I felt he had an under-whelming game.. Lots of u-turns and then handballs to players in a worse position than when he received it.

Did some heavy lifting, but if he is going to play across HF he needs to impact the scoreboard.

[Remi Moses]

Bankers - Dahlhaus ( best game he's played)
- Adams ( brilliant in the air, and looks like he's played 100 games)
- Daniel ( started a bit shaky, but was outstanding )
- Suckling ( He's kicking is an asset in this side )
- Willing their way back in, and then dominating .
Anchors - Set shots ( not good enough, and you can't go at 4 7 against them )
- Deer in the headlights start, and not finishing games off. We had enough football to win this game comfortably )
- defensive shape and structure must be better in the end of tight games . We allowed a few goals in the last where they had a few running forward of the ball. That last goal should not be happening .
- Murphy's injury, just another reason to despise those football f****** gods

[bornadog]

Agree to disagree. Before the sub rule came in and teams were rotating over 150 times a match, the game was stoppage after stoppage because all 36 players were fresh enough to all be in the general area of the ball. Umps were also advised to give as few free kicks as possible, which resulted in rolling maul after rolling maul because no one was ever pinged for HTB. The game was shithouse.

So the Freo game and yesterdays game there wasn't 36 players on the ball? What you talk about was a phase in football, as was flooding back in 2000 and there has been many other game plans that people don't like.

The game continually evolves and always will - rule changes effects the fabric of the game, but doesn't make it look like the way you want it played.

Edit: another change being considered - Blood rule forces AFL rethink on interchange cap (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-11/blood-rule-forces-afl-rethink-on-interchange-cap?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=RSS+feed%3A+AFL+Latest+News) :rolleyes:

[always right]

I did say last possession and not last touch. Last touch would be farcical like you say.

Oh okay. That certainly has more merit.

[always right]

Not sure, but I felt he had an under-whelming game.. Lots of u-turns and then handballs to players in a worse position than when he received it.

Did some heavy lifting, but if he is going to play across HF he needs to impact the scoreboard.
I hardly noticed him out there.......or JJ for that matter.

I'll be happy if our blokes stay out of the media for a little while now.

[Cyberdoggie]

They both pushed up high in the zone from the point kick out.. No-one, including these 2 bothered to look behind to watch Sicily sneak out the back.

Really hurt not having Wood in the game. Would of made a huge difference with some of those goals they got from quick play.

[Sedat]

Really hurt not having Wood in the game. Would of made a huge difference with some of those goals they got from quick play.
He was the sweeper in the Swans game last year who cut off that final inside 50 for them - we did miss him in the closing stages last night.

[LostDoggy]

Bankers:

Dahlhaus, Caleb Daniel, Libba, Boyd Jr, Wallis, Roughead, Biggs, Morris. I'm not 1,2,3-ing it as they all gave their all.

Anchors:

Apart from Murphy's knee and the result it was a fantastic game of football, and though we lost and we're all doom and gloom on WOOF we have shown to ourselves, at least, that we are the real deal. We are the real deal. This is Hawthorn. Stringer slotting it wasn't going to make them just lay down and die. We got caught in the headlights but we not only got back in the game, we dominated. We proved it: we are the real deal. The rest will come with time and experience. Imagine this side with an average 40 more games each and that's the Hawks: we are the real deal.

Did I mention we are the real deal?

[Eastdog]

Bankers:

Daniel - what a player he is

Adams - only play a few games and look solid down back

Dahlhaus - very good game yesterday

Other mentions: Libba and Boyd I thought did well.


Anchors:

Robert Murphy our captain injuring his knee at the end was bad

The 1st quarter and start of the 4th quarter

Our goal kicking still needs some work

The umpiring at times

[Eastdog]

How did woofers rate Picko's game yesterday? JJ wasn't didn't influence the game too much yesterday. Stringer was a bit dissapointing. Bonti - more banker or anchor?

[GVGjr]

Edit: another change being considered - Blood rule forces AFL rethink on interchange cap (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-11/blood-rule-forces-afl-rethink-on-interchange-cap?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=RSS+feed%3A+AFL+Latest+News) :rolleyes:

I tend to agree with this change, Seems to be a commonsense adjustment.

[bornadog]

I tend to agree with this change, Seems to be a commonsense adjustment.

They continually change because they can't think of every contingency.

[The Doctor]

They continually change because they can't think

edited for accuracy

[LostDoggy]

Bankers-
Dahl
Caleb
Adams

Anchor-
That putrid umpiring in the first qtr put us behind the eight ball from the start.
If those green mucus' don't have a Bromance with Hawthorn then I'm not of sound mind.
Utterly disgusting to see how much man love they have for the Dawks.
It makes me I'll!!! :mad:

[F'scary]

Bankers:
1. the way our team modified its style after the first quarter to take into account the lack of outside space.
2. the persistence shown by our senior players. Even though they weren't racking them up like the first couple of matches, they kept at it.
3. Suckers for increased deployment this week of his leg cannon.


Anchors:
1. the Hawthorn "fan" sitting immediately behind us.
2. the deliberate out of bounds rule jumps to the top of the list of things the AFL "brains trust" can't get right.
3. Murphy's injury. Be back next year, Cap'n Bob.

[The bulldog tragician]

Bankers:
1. That in the third qtr we had the almost unheard of stat of DOUBLING the Hawks' contested possessions. Forget all about sexy footy, exciting footy. That is one enormous thing to take away from the match. It's premiership style footy. Imagine when our young brigade can do this for a whole match.
2. The sheer will and competitiveness of Dahl and Caleb. Caleb took 8 marks too!!
3. Matching the Hawks and so nearly winning with our marquis players Bont and String ineffective.
Honourable mention to the incredibly loud passionate Dogs fans. We nearly got them over the line with a tidal wave of noise.

Anchors:
1. Ray 'look at me' Chamberlain.
2. Jitters around goal - not just missing shots, over possessing, not taking first instinct options.
3. The cruel cruel fates that strike the best bloke in footy. Please please please come back in 2017. You deserve to be there when we win that flag.

[jeemak]

B:

Daniel - Welcome to the big time mate. Some mistakes early had me worried but you fought to get into the game and have an impact

Dahl - There's the reason why teams are putting a lot of work into stopping you. Awesome to see you finish hard work under pressure

Fight - Great to see us come back from a five goal deficit against the premiers


A:

Murphy - Nuff said

Skill level - Yes, Hawthorn put great pressure on around the ball and make it hard to use it but really, some of our skill errors belied an afraid and nervous team. We need to move on from that

Complexity - We don't need it in the forward line. Take a bloody shot at goal when it's your turn and make the most of your opportunities. Professional footballers should eat the chance to hit the scoreboard for breakfast, and if you don't want to then you should be doing something else. It frustrates me so much

[AndrewP6]

B:

Daniel - Welcome to the big time mate. Some mistakes early had me worried but you fought to get into the game and have an impact

Dahl - There's the reason why teams are putting a lot of work into stopping you. Awesome to see you finish hard work under pressure

Fight - Great to see us come back from a five goal deficit against the premiers


A:

Murphy - Nuff said

Skill level - Yes, Hawthorn put great pressure on around the ball and make it hard to use it but really, some of our skill errors belied an afraid and nervous team. We need to move on from that

Complexity - We don't need it in the forward line. Take a bloody shot at goal when it's your turn and make the most of your opportunities. Professional footballers should eat the chance to hit the scoreboard for breakfast, and if you don't want to then you should be doing something else. It frustrates me so much

Same here. We miss from 30 odd metres or less, someone like Gunston slots it from 50. Yeah I know, different players etc... but the basic goal (pun intended) is to kick it through the big sticks.

[Rocket Science]

Daniel : Enough about his stature. A rolled gold gun and showed it against the best. He's got a Brownlow in him.
Dahlhaus : Manic, creative and relentless.
Roughead : Perhaps not in our best three proper but gee he's tracking nicely in the ruck role. Liked his smarts, tap work and timely aggression.

B:

Umpiring : Kill me now.
Umpiring : No seriously.
Sicily : Possibly the most punchable head in footy.

Stray observation: after the initial shock and despair over Murph's misfortune, what's left is a searing desire to want to play this mob again. One expects Bev and the group agrees. Next time, we overthrow the king.

[Funke disco]

How did woofers rate Picko's game yesterday? JJ wasn't didn't influence the game too much yesterday. Stringer was a bit dissapointing. Bonti - more banker or anchor?

I thought Picken was great. Such a nuisance to the opposition and always gives 100%. I think given Dalhouse and Daniels performance his game and forward pressure has been overlooked somewhat

[kruder]

Daniel : Enough about his stature. A rolled gold gun and showed it against the best. He's got a Brownlow in him.
Dahlhaus : Manic, creative and relentless.
Roughead : Perhaps not in our best three proper but gee he's tracking nicely in the ruck role. Liked his smarts, tap work and timely aggression.

B:

Umpiring : Kill me now.
Umpiring : No seriously.
Sicily : Possibly the most punchable head in footy.

Stray observation: after the initial shock and despair over Murph's misfortune, what's left is a searing desire to want to play this mob again. One expects Bev and the group agrees. Next time, we overthrow the king.

IMO Roughead didn't deserve a game round 1 and was pretty much the last man standing in the ruck devision. His first 3 weeks have been excellent looks mobile, wants the footy and has shown aggression as you say. My one concern like many is his durability partially if Boyd is the relief ruck. Boyd rucking has been good, its just more of a concern with the impact on the forward line if Roughead goes down and he has to play the remainder of the game in the ruck which was looking a chance in the first quarter on Sunday. Its an interesting one for the match committee.

[bulldogtragic]

IMO Roughead didn't deserve a game round 1 and was pretty much the last man standing in the ruck devision. His first 3 weeks have been excellent looks mobile, wants the footy and has shown aggression as you say. My one concern like many is his durability partially if Boyd is the relief ruck. Boyd rucking has been good, its just more of a concern with the impact on the forward line if Roughead goes down and he has to play the remainder of the game in the ruck which was looking a chance in the first quarter on Sunday. Its an interesting one for the match committee.

Great point, I forgot to mention it too. If Roughy gets injured we a) have to ruck Boyd all game, bad & b) we lose Boyd as our full forward, also bad. We need another tall forward who can also ruck, which rules Redpath out. So this year it's Campbell. Even a cheap recycle like Bellchambers could be worth a shot next year to take Minson's spot.

[1eyedog]

Just in regards to Jake I didn't think too deeply about the affect the absence of Crameri is having on him, but I think it is.

[azabob]

Just in regards to Jake I didn't think too deeply about the affect the absence of Crameri is having on him, but I think it is.

And Dickson also.

[Rocket Science]

Indeed. With defenders (understandably) hyper-conscious of Stringer, that's where Dickson and Crameri can chime in and slice teams up. A pity about the latter but to state the obvious the sooner Dickson resumes his spot the better, for our sake and Jake's.