Inside 50 and how we can improve on our opportunities

[Eastdog]

While I was very pleased that we scored 17 goals last night our highest number this year we still did struggle quite a bit with our usage of the footy inside 50. How can be more effective in this department? I liked seeing Tommy Campbell take a few great grabs in there.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

I would like to see more players backing themselves and having a shot instead of short passing inside the 50. And someone take a mark ffs

[Twodogs]

Good thread Easty. It's an interesting observation about our forward line thinking and it's been bothering me all year.

We should go with our first thought with ball on hand inside 50 and not over think things or try to be too cute. Quite a few players could do with some serious work on their set shot technique at the leat.

[bornadog]

The other issue is the number of times we just bomb the ball in, instead of looking for a lead. This especially happened in the first quarter.

[Eastdog]

We need to find our targets better. The crumbers haven't have to be very effective here if we don't get a lead.

[Bulldog4life]

We need to find our targets better. The crumpets haven't have to be very effective here if we don't get a lead.

I love crumpets

[Eastdog]

I love crumpets

Sorry B4L I meant crumbers :) typing from my iPad.

[Eastdog]

I love crumpets

I used to eat them a lot a while ago.

[Twodogs]

Crumpets are very good but let's not get distracted.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

Stupid autocorrect

[Go_Dogs]

Given we thrive off such a break-neck game plan bringing the ball up from half back, and often aren't the cleanest side out of a clearance we've won, we sometimes lack a little composure entering the F50.

We've certainly improved compared to where we were at a while ago, but the really good teams of the modern era have been incredibly smart at finding space and taking those 20m kicks to set up easier shots on goal, which is something I feel we can continue to work on. I'm also hopeful that having Dicko back, and soon enough Boydy, will help our structure, give us more flexibility and options for our entries.

[LostDoggy]

We should take advantage of our strengths and enter the 50 by kicking the ball along the ground. We rarely lose the ground ball and guys that cant kick a set shot from 20m out in front seem to be able to nail bananas, snap from 45 or backwards from the boundary under pressure.

[always right]

Can we talk more about crumpets?

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

Jam or honey?

[Ghost Dog]

We should take advantage of our strengths and enter the 50 by kicking the ball along the ground. We rarely lose the ground ball and guys that cant kick a set shot from 20m out in front seem to be able to nail bananas, snap from 45 or backwards from the boundary under pressure.

Chaos ball!!! I love this suggestion.

[Happy Days]

Chaos ball!!! I love this suggestion.

I always wondered what would happen if we played a forward line of (for example) Honeychurch, Hrovat, Dahl, Stringer, Daniel and Hunter and just drilled the ball in with dribble kicks.

I mean, I *know* what would happen, but it would be fun to see.

[GVGjr]

I always wondered what would happen if we played a forward line of (for example) Honeychurch, Hrovat, Dahl, Stringer, Daniel and Hunter and just drilled the ball in with dribble kicks.

I mean, I *know* what would happen, but it would be fun to see.

It would throw the game a huge curve ball. One tall forward like Boyd with the likes of Stringer, Crameri, McLean, Dickson, Daniel and Hunter would be a handful for opposition defenders. Chaos entries all day. McLean could kick 4 all from free kicks.

[1eyedog]

We should take advantage of our strengths and enter the 50 by kicking the ball along the ground. We rarely lose the ground ball and guys that cant kick a set shot from 20m out in front seem to be able to nail bananas, snap from 45 or backwards from the boundary under pressure.

MJP suggested this at the start of last year. Chaos it in and lock it in.

[chef]

Can we talk more about crumpets?

I have crumpets on my menu, made in melbourne by Dr Martys. So much better than the ones from the supermarket.

[chef]

Jam or honey?

Nutella, fresh strawberries, macadamias and greek yogurt:p

[chef]

We should take advantage of our strengths and enter the 50 by kicking the ball along the ground. We rarely lose the ground ball and guys that cant kick a set shot from 20m out in front seem to be able to nail bananas, snap from 45 or backwards from the boundary under pressure.

Maybe not along the ground, but hard and flat instead of rain makers would be better.

[LostDoggy]

MJP suggested this at the start of last year. Chaos it in and lock it in.

Lets save it for the prelim then!

[soupman]

MJP suggested this at the start of last year. Chaos it in and lock it in.

Just to blow my own trumpet I think I suggested it back in the 2009 prelim final era. It'not the worst idea, just need a code word when we feel we have the matchups in our favour to activate it and away you go.

Alternatively instead of our centre clearances aiming for the hot spot why don't we aim for the space about 30m out in the pockets and have all our quick guys playing in front ready to run forward to the drop off the ball. Saves us from having a big pack with multiple key defenders and means our quicker forwardline could get the jump on them.

[Twodogs]

Just to blow my own trumpet I think I suggested it back in the 2009 prelim final era. It'not the worst idea, just need a code word when we feel we have the matchups in our favour to activate it and away you go.

Alternatively instead of our centre clearances aiming for the hot spot why don't we aim for the space about 30m out in the pockets and have all our quick guys playing in front ready to run forward to the drop off the ball. Saves us from having a big pack with multiple key defenders and means our quicker forwardline could get the jump on them.

That's how I would work it too. Not every time, not even every game but often enough to have opposition defenders wondering what sort of kick they will be defending.

Common wisdom says you must have at least one tall in the forward line just to bring the ball to ground so the little guys can compete for it. Why not have all little guys and dribble the ball along the ground? Same result more little guys to compete.

[Eastdog]

Yes in 09 I believe we relied not on a tall forward but of the smallish type attacking mids to get our goals.

[Ghost Dog]

Just to blow my own trumpet I think I suggested it back in the 2009 prelim final era. It'not the worst idea, just need a code word when we feel we have the matchups in our favour to activate it and away you go.



You're a visionary. I'd love to see this happen.
By the way, what would the code word be?

[comrade]

You're a visionary. I'd love to see this happen.
By the way, what would the code word be?

It's Tardis time.

[always right]

You're a visionary. I'd love to see this happen.
By the way, what would the code word be?

Crumpet

[Twodogs]

I don't think a word would work. It would have to be a certain kicker or a really obvious secret signal.

[Twodogs]

Or just do it. Keep everyone guessing.

[BulldogBelle]

I think that we should learn the 20 metre kick trick.

Very often the ball is hand-balled back and forth under pressure somewhere in the forward 50 until we eventually lose possession. It is too difficult to kick for goal. The players should make a short kick to one of a few nominated spots near the 10 metre square (say either side of the top of the square). Our guys will be expecting it, their guys will not.

I expect that half the time one of our guys will mark the ball and have a shot on goal. Most of the other time the ball will spill to ground and the fight will continue. There will be the odd occasion that the opposition will mark the ball.

This would be a real chaos ball. The ball travels 20 meters very quickly.

As far as code words go, maybe the guys should learn to speak Chinese.

[Eastdog]

So frustrating last night in this area.

[Greystache]

I think close our eyes and try to kick a banana along the ground might be a good start. Taking a contested mark might be the next step once we master the blindfolded banana.

[Eastdog]

I think close our eyes and try to kick a banana along the ground might be a good start. Taking a contested mark might be the next step once we master the blindfolded banana.

We took a few in the final quarter but they are really not to common with us.

[azabob]

Beveridge is also frustrated with our inability to convert inside 50's.

Is it game plan related? Player related?

If it is game plan related is Gia under the pump or is it the midfield coach, King?

We have pretty much had the same coaching group (bar the senior coach) since the BMAC first came on board.

Do we need a change up with new ideas from outside the club?

[GVGjr]

Beveridge is also frustrated with our inability to convert inside 50's.

Is it game plan related? Player related?

If it is game plan related is Gia under the pump or is it the midfield coach, King?

We have pretty much had the same coaching group (bar the senior coach) since the BMAC first came on board.

Do we need a change up with new ideas from outside the club?

Good questions and thought starters. I've been wondering if our attacking style is having an impact on our skill execution.

As for assistants, I actually think they are working together very well and while they might benefit from some extra resources or different points of view at this stage I'd probably lean towards adding to the group rather than moving anyone on.

[F'scary]

After last night against Norf and since Beveridge is a coach who is not afraid to experiment, I would look to get Toyd and Redpath into the forward line together and see how that goes for a few weeks.

[Stefcep]

TBH I think we miss Crameri more than we admit. Jake has to play out in front more. The high bombs to a contest have to stop. I don't think you can blame anyone else but the player kicking when so many set shots don't get converted- Jong again, Campbell.

[Ghost Dog]

Roughy stalled the Roughassaince with his missed goal to break my heart. Bad Dog Roughy. That's what you were there for buddy!
Picken's snap for goal missing the whole kit and kaboodle. Stringer fading left. We had our chances.

[Eastdog]

What do we want to see tonight in this department? Hopefully Jack can get some good contested marks up there.

[comrade]

What I don't want to see is Stringer jumping early against 3 defenders, and then the opposition waltzing it out over and over. Lock it in!

[bornadog]

What I don't want to see is Stringer jumping early against 3 defenders, and then the opposition waltzing it out over and over. Lock it in!

If he didn't jump for the mark,(early or not) the opposition would just mark it anyway. He needs a big body down there helping out. I don't blame him when he was the only tall in the forward line.

[azabob]

If he didn't jump for the mark,(early or not) the opposition would just mark it anyway. He needs a big body down there helping out. I don't blame him when he was the only tall in the forward line.

Why can't he spoil his opponent when behind?

[bornadog]

Why can't he spoil his opponent when behind?

How many times did he go the big screamer? Twice I think last week, big deal it doesn't matter.

He got outmarked by Scott Thompson and Tarrant, simple they are bigger than him. He shouldn't have to play on these players.

[Greystache]

How many times did he go the big screamer? Twice I think last week, big deal it doesn't matter.

He got outmarked by Scott Thompson and Tarrant, simple they are bigger than him. He shouldn't have to play on these players.

Scott Thompson- 193cm 93kg
Jake Stringer- 192cm 91kg

Perhaps Stringer could try playing in front for once.

[bornadog]

Scott Thompson- 193cm 93kg
Jake Stringer- 192cm 91kg

Perhaps Stringer could try playing in front for once.

Scott Thompson is 96kg. I don't believe Stringer stood behind him the whole game, he was generally shoulder to shoulder. Thompson is a lot stronger.

Anyway the point is Stringer needs help and tonight he gets it with Redpath in.

[hujsh]

Dickson finds some touch, Redpath comes in and all of a sudden Stringer looks dangerous and is making opportunities for those around him.

[bulldogtragic]

Dickson finds some touch, Redpath comes in and all of a sudden Stringer looks dangerous and is making opportunities for those around him.

Yep, and I can't wait to see it with a stronger and better Boyd & Crameri in 2017. Great to see some really good leading patterns and forward craft and not bombing it on guys heads.

[Eastdog]

Did not disappointment in this area tonight. Stringer and Redpath were very good. Campbell in that first quarter took some great marks but just needs to convert his chances.

[AndrewP6]

Did not disappointment in this area tonight. Stringer and Redpath were very good. Campbell in that first quarter took some great marks but just needs to convert his chances.

33 shots from 68 inside 50s, we need to get better. It worked tonight, but could be so much better.

[Bulldog4life]

Why can't he spoil his opponent when behind?

Roughy did this a number of times in the forward line.

[Ghost Dog]

Scott Thompson is 96kg. I don't believe Stringer stood behind him the whole game, he was generally shoulder to shoulder. Thompson is a lot stronger.

Anyway the point is Stringer needs help and tonight he gets it with Redpath in.

Stringer and Redpath really worked. They compliment each other so well.