View Full Version : Game Day Round 7 2016 - Western Bulldogs V Adelaide
Eastdog
06-05-2016, 12:30 PM
Put your predictions: margin, first goal, best on ground and crowd number
Margin: Dogs by 4 points in a close one
First Goal: Bonti to get our first
Best On Ground: Libba to have a great game
Crowd: 28,554
LostDoggy
06-05-2016, 01:25 PM
Margin: Dogs by 10 points
First Goal: Dickson
BOG: Caleb Daniel
Crowd: 31,296
bornadog
06-05-2016, 01:31 PM
Margin Dogs by 13
First Goal: Red
BOG: Hunter
Crowd 33,450
LostDoggy
06-05-2016, 01:52 PM
Margin: Dogs by 32
First goal: Wallis
BOG: Stringer
First melee: 14th minute of the 1st quarter
Number of times I scream out "BLOODY CHEATS!": 78
Crowd: Not nearly enough. 25,000 tops.
The Bulldogs Bite
06-05-2016, 02:24 PM
Crows by 22
BOG Dahl
First goal Dickson
Crowd 24,491
Remi Moses
06-05-2016, 02:27 PM
Dogs by 24 pts
BOG Libba
1st goal Redpath
AndrewP6
06-05-2016, 02:37 PM
Crows by 19
First goal Bont
BOG for us, Stringer
Crowd 28,511
Dogs by 15 points
First Goal - Stringer
BOG - Macrae
Crowd - 26,016
LostDoggy
06-05-2016, 05:21 PM
Crows by 29
BOG - Biggs
First Goal - Redpath
Crowd - 25,890
Daughter of the West
06-05-2016, 06:36 PM
Dirty birds by 18
BOG - Wallis
First goal - Bonti
Crowd - 28,754
comrade
06-05-2016, 07:16 PM
The injuries have finally worn down my optimism...
Crows by 28.
BOG (for us): Macrae
FG: Stringer (please!)
Crowd will be low 20s. Got the feeling the fans are getting restless.
LostDoggy
06-05-2016, 07:21 PM
Dogs by 28pts.
BOG-Wallis
First Goal-Redders
28,591
Greystache
06-05-2016, 08:08 PM
Adelaide by 25
BOG- Dahlhaus
First goal- A combination of 6 behinds from various players
Crowd- 25k
Eastdog
06-05-2016, 08:10 PM
Adelaide by 25
BOG- Dahlhaus
First goal- A combination of 6 behinds
Crowd- 25k
Hopefully not stache. We really need a big game from Jake tomorrow night and just overall kick well at goal. If we don't do that then it will be a struggle for us.
ratsmac
06-05-2016, 09:25 PM
Dogs by 43
First goal - Big Red
BOG - Big Red (he kicks 4.3)
Crowd 43,430 (only because it fits my Redpath theme)
BornInDroopSt'54
07-05-2016, 09:33 AM
Margin: Dogs by 21 pts
First goal: Stringer
BOG: Stringer
Go_Dogs
07-05-2016, 10:15 AM
Crows by 36
First goal - Stringer
BOG - Dahlhaus
Crowd - 24,500
Can't see us going with the Crows given our injuries. They have the best forward line in the competition, and strong midfield and good combination of dour defenders and good users in the back half. Laird out helps, but their depth is showing through that Henderson can slot straight in whilst Lyons is unlucky to be omitted.
Hope we remain competitive and look a bit smarter moving the ball into our forward line.
SonofScray
07-05-2016, 10:22 AM
Dogs by 15 goals.
dickson 1st goal
BOG - package
crowd 21k
ratsmac
07-05-2016, 10:54 AM
Not much love for the dogs to win today on here! Personally I think we will win this one. Norf were the highest scoring team until they played us, now they are not (Adelaide are). We could've won last week if we had of taken our chances but we didn't and we lost. Norf only won by 16 points and we basically didn't play with any sort of forward structure. Daniel and Redpath change that I think. (I can't wait to play Norf with a full strength team).
A week is a long time in football they say, and they say it for good reason. Look at Hawthorn, they were beaten by 85 points against the Giants who are starting to play good football but are still hit and miss. They come out and defeat Richmond (who yes are going through a bad patch) by 46. That is still a pretty big turn around.
We are a good team and are in a good position. We lead the league in a lot of the good stats for a change and everyone is jumping off us. We are favourite in the betting odds as well. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but these threads are known to be a little on the biased side in the past. I am a little shocked to see so many backing the Crows.
C'mon Woofers where's the optimism!!
F'scary
07-05-2016, 11:14 AM
I think we can get a hold of these guys tonight just like we did early last season.
Dogs by 42 points
BOG: Mitch Wallis
1st G: Troy Dickson
EasternWest
07-05-2016, 12:50 PM
I think we'll get touched up tonight.
Crows by 32
First goal Redpath
Bog Bontempelli
Eastdog
07-05-2016, 02:37 PM
Well said ratsmac. Cmon Dogs!!
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 06:42 PM
Dogs by 6 points.
First goal McLean
BOG Macrae
Crowd 27,500
bornadog
07-05-2016, 06:42 PM
No late changes
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
07-05-2016, 06:50 PM
Dogs by 17 points
Dickson first goal
BOG: Wallis
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 07:16 PM
Dogs by 7
Bont first goal
BOG: Libba
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 07:17 PM
Dogs
Don't care
bornadog
07-05-2016, 07:22 PM
Not a big crowd
1eyedog
07-05-2016, 07:25 PM
Dogs
Don't care
Yep 4 pts please.
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 07:29 PM
Yep 4 pts please.
Essential for the dogs season, the next week at work and to sway my swinging supporter daughters.
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 07:30 PM
Rick Kennedy, Steve Kretiuk, Matthew Suckling and Tom Boyd all taled at tge Players Sponsors.Big Tom is an impressive man
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 07:31 PM
Not a big crowd
I suspect there will be significant late arrivals.
1eyedog
07-05-2016, 07:36 PM
Rick Kennedy, Steve Kretiuk, Matthew Suckling and Tom Boyd all taled at tge Players Sponsors.Big Tom is an impressive man
Getting into a few Gary?
comrade
07-05-2016, 07:50 PM
Boyd and Roberts woeful early.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 07:52 PM
Boyd and Roberts woeful early.
Roberts looks worse than I can ever remember.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 07:55 PM
Our ball use shows no signs of improvement... Just keep missing targets.
comrade
07-05-2016, 07:58 PM
Roughy hurt again...
MrMahatma
07-05-2016, 07:59 PM
Bursting out like Tarzan. He's alive. The package.
AndrewP6
07-05-2016, 08:03 PM
Roberts staking his claim for a spot at Footscray. Jake coming alive.
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 08:03 PM
Redders!!!!!!
You Beauty!!!
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:05 PM
Campbell might want to do some extra goal kicking practice...
AndrewP6
07-05-2016, 08:05 PM
Soup looks the goods, except when he kicks for goal. Never looks likely.
Rocket Science
07-05-2016, 08:06 PM
Does anyone actually expect Campbell to goal from set shots?
He may as well just lob it into the hot spot at this rate.
AndrewP6
07-05-2016, 08:07 PM
Libba with play of the day so far. Incredible recovery and follow up tackle.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:07 PM
No second effort from Roberts and it goes straight down. That's shit Fletch, seriously shit.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:08 PM
Whatever Bevo said to Stringer This week, say it again and again!
bornadog
07-05-2016, 08:10 PM
One of our best opening quarters
bornadog
07-05-2016, 08:11 PM
No second effort from Roberts and it goes straight down. That's shit Fletch, seriously shit.
He is a liability in my opinion and Roughy is weak as piss
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:12 PM
One of our best opening quarters
Especially, after they got the first through a howler. When we are on, I can't remember a more exciting side we've had.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 08:12 PM
Some good work through the middle of the qtr, both sides missing some chances, but it's a handy lead.
We look very vulnerable in defence so we need our mids and forwards to continue to assist.
Murphy'sLore
07-05-2016, 08:12 PM
What a quarter! Stringer is on fire tonight. And unselfish too.
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 08:13 PM
We look so much better with big Jack in the team.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:13 PM
He is a liability in my opinion and Roughy is weak as piss
Roberts is fast going into my delisting file. Collins and Cordy offer way more than what he's dishing up.
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 08:17 PM
We look so much better with big Jack in the team.
And with Toyd.
Amazing what a big guy forward can do for the confidence and structure of a team.
BornInDroopSt'54
07-05-2016, 08:18 PM
Roberts is fast going into my delisting file. Collins and Cordy offer way more than what he's dishing up.
He'll come good this game, he can't be much worse, he's better than that. Come on boys, stand up to the demands of the moment, we're better than them.
BornInDroopSt'54
07-05-2016, 08:19 PM
And with Toyd.
Amazing what a big guy forward can do for the confidence and structure of a team.
And with Campbell clunking them.
comrade
07-05-2016, 08:20 PM
Think String likes playing on Hartigan.
comrade
07-05-2016, 08:26 PM
Roberts is cooked. Get Collins or Cordy in.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 08:26 PM
He'll come good this game, he can't be much worse, he's better than that. Come on boys, stand up to the demands of the moment, we're better than them.
No, he's getting worse.
Rocket Science
07-05-2016, 08:27 PM
Oh good. Another key injury.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:32 PM
Time to sub Roberts.
AndrewP6
07-05-2016, 08:32 PM
Macrae marks inside 50 and looks like he's allergic to kicking. WTF???
Rocket Science
07-05-2016, 08:33 PM
Time to sub Roberts.
Hard to see what he's offering that Hamling couldn't.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:34 PM
Macrae marks inside 50 and looks like he's allergic to kicking. WTF???
Confidence it looks like, a big lack of it.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 08:36 PM
Hunter might want those last couple of minutes back.
comrade
07-05-2016, 08:36 PM
Hunter might want those last couple of minutes back.
****house.
jeemak
07-05-2016, 08:39 PM
Pathetic capitulation coming our way.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:44 PM
Man, Roberts is taking the fun away from this.
comrade
07-05-2016, 08:46 PM
Pathetic capitulation coming our way.
Glass half full kind of guy, huh?
AndrewP6
07-05-2016, 08:46 PM
Confidence it looks like, a big lack of it.
I'm old school, I'd be telling him if he doesn't want those kicks he can go back to Footscray.
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 08:46 PM
Good half. Nice fightback towards the end of that quarter.
AndrewP6
07-05-2016, 08:47 PM
Pathetic capitulation coming our way.
20 point lead at the half.
comrade
07-05-2016, 08:47 PM
Great team defence in the first half. Stopped their run.
If Hunter is going to get it 30+ every week, I'm going to spend plenty of time with my head in my hands.
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 08:47 PM
Its a shame we let them back in. Plenty to play out here and we cant let them kick start the 2nd half with early goals.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 08:47 PM
I'm old school, I'd be telling him if he doesn't want those kicks he can go back to Footscray.
Everything else has been top notch from him tonight. He's just got lead by example, and kick a goal.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 08:56 PM
Free kick count 14-2.. Wowsers.
westbulldog
07-05-2016, 08:57 PM
Jed Adcock
2 3 5
Bailey Dale
1 1 2
1/2 time stats - room for improvement ?
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 08:57 PM
Everything else has been top notch from him tonight. He's just got lead by example, and kick a goal.
Agree. He has been fantastic apart from that non kick for goal.
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 08:59 PM
Jed Adcock
2 3 5
Bailey Dale
1 1 2
1/2 time stats - room for improvement ?
Interesting that we are persisting with Dale. Think he will develop into a player but would like to see HC in ahead of him.
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
07-05-2016, 09:01 PM
Free kick count 14-2.. Wowsers.
I'm worried that the inevitable umpire even uppers in the second half could hurt us.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 09:01 PM
Jed Adcock
2 3 5
Bailey Dale
1 1 2
1/2 time stats - room for improvement ?
The match committee for sure. Adcock hasn't fired a shot in the seniors, and the trend continues.
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 09:02 PM
Far out, the game turned when jake went off. Heads dropped after another injury.
MrMahatma
07-05-2016, 09:04 PM
The match committee for sure. Adcock hasn't fired a shot in the seniors, and the trend continues.
Agree. Adcock surely has to get dropped?!
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 09:05 PM
Smashing the inside fifties again. TC needs to slot a few
Mantis
07-05-2016, 09:06 PM
How clean is the Bont... Crazy good.
divvydan
07-05-2016, 09:06 PM
Free kick count 14-2.. Wowsers.
Prior to today we've averaged 23.2 FF and 14.7 FA. Most FF (22.7 next best) and least FA (17.3 next least). So tonight's not surprising so far. Only a matter of time before it changes, so we best make the most of it.
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
07-05-2016, 09:14 PM
Forget Roberts' game. Adams has been putrid tonight. Has cost us 4 goals directly
Ghost Dog
07-05-2016, 09:19 PM
Mitch Wallis has been great. In and under. I've been disappointed by Liam Picken's goal kicking of late. Come on boys hang in there.
Adams redeems himself, done well against Walker.
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 09:21 PM
Forget Roberts' game. Adams has been putrid tonight. Has cost us 4 goals directly
Yep he has been but will learn from the experience
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 09:22 PM
Mitch is huge right now. Dale doing some nice work too.
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 09:28 PM
some costly mistakes by Mclean
Stefcep
07-05-2016, 09:29 PM
mclean off!
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 09:29 PM
some costly mistakes by Mclean
Really poor 10 minutes.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 09:32 PM
Everytime they go forward they score.
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
07-05-2016, 09:32 PM
Roberts was just a step ladder for Jenkins there.
Both he and Adams have cost us big time
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 09:32 PM
Roberts, FFS.
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
07-05-2016, 09:35 PM
Big Red great return tonight.
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 09:36 PM
Massive quarter ahead of us. Its one of those season to date defining quarters
Mantis
07-05-2016, 09:37 PM
Roberts, FFS.
Sitting duck in that situation.
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 09:37 PM
Big Red great return tonight.
Got to leave him in the team all year. Just gives us much more options and frees up Stringer.
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 09:37 PM
Big Red great return tonight.
He has certaintly straightened us up.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 09:38 PM
Big Red great return tonight.
Makes the most of his (limited) opportunities.. It's welcome in our team at present.
MrMahatma
07-05-2016, 09:38 PM
Need 3 goals in the last and we win.
Been a good response to a few challenges.
Readers is a great set shot. He and Jake are playing well together.
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
07-05-2016, 09:38 PM
Yet again, based on all the stats we should be 3 or 4 more goals ahead. We just have to work too damn hard for every goal. Double the inside 50 entries and 25 shots at goal to 17, but we're only 3 goals up.
Hope this doesn't bite us in the last.
bornadog
07-05-2016, 09:40 PM
Got to leave him in the team all year. Just gives us much more options and frees up Stringer.
Yep and having Campbell down there as well really stretches the Bananas
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 09:40 PM
We need another multiple goal kicker to step upthis quarter
EasternWest
07-05-2016, 09:40 PM
Morris living up to his nickname.
AndrewP6
07-05-2016, 09:41 PM
Big Red acquitting himself well. Jake bringing others into the game, I like it. Come on boys, let's do it!
Rocket Science
07-05-2016, 09:41 PM
Would anyone be surprised if one day Caleb Daniel either wins a Brownlow or captains this club?
Composed. Consistent. Class.
Stefcep
07-05-2016, 09:41 PM
Yet again, based on all the stats we should be 3 or 4 more goals ahead. We just have to work too damn hard for every goal. Double the inside 50 entries and 25 shots at goal to 17, but we're only 3 goals up.
Hope this doesn't bite us in the last.
2 posters
Mclean 2 misses one turnover= 3 goal turnover.
5 goals right there
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 09:44 PM
So Roberts avoid a negative SuperCoach score. Nice smoother.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 09:46 PM
Wallis has been huge, but that was a BAD miss.
Ghost Dog
07-05-2016, 09:54 PM
Tory Dickson great goal under pressure. The eagle eye.
Mantis
07-05-2016, 09:54 PM
That was horrid by Adcock.. Keep your feet!
1eyedog
07-05-2016, 09:54 PM
If Adcock can't even kill a contest he is useless to us.
Stefcep
07-05-2016, 09:56 PM
deliberate////
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 10:11 PM
Dogs win a close one. Dale has his best game
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 10:12 PM
Hell yeah!
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 10:12 PM
What a game. Well done. Challenged on a number of occasions and managed to hang on.
Great last few minutes by Bailey Dale.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 10:13 PM
Worst deliberate ever. Betts had the last touch FSS!
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 10:14 PM
Bailey Dale showed the Match Committee got him right. Great for him, he was the difference you can argue in that last quarter.
bornadog
07-05-2016, 10:14 PM
Bonti sensational all night
comrade
07-05-2016, 10:16 PM
We win a close one against good opposition. What curse?
EasternWest
07-05-2016, 10:17 PM
Great to win a high pressure tight game.
Didn't fit him in my votes but I thought Boyd was very good tonight.
Dale had a good game. What do I know?
Stefcep
07-05-2016, 10:17 PM
Important win.
Ghost Dog
07-05-2016, 10:20 PM
Congratulations to everyone at the club, from the top down. Great, hard fought win.
jeemak
07-05-2016, 10:21 PM
Pathetic capitulation coming our way.
Roast words for dinner tomorrow! My favourite!
whythelongface
07-05-2016, 10:26 PM
Great to win a high pressure tight game.
Didn't fit him in my votes but I thought Boyd was very good tonight.
Dale had a good game. What do I know?
Yes Boyd was terrific.
Dale was excellent in that last quarter. Certainly paid the faith the selectors have shown in him.
Great to win a close game against a very good side. We can do it.
bornadog
07-05-2016, 10:30 PM
Great to win a high pressure tight game.
Didn't fit him in my votes but I thought Boyd was very good tonight.
Dale had a good game. What do I know?
Boyd saved the day with two telling marks in the last. Other than the kick into the man he was very good
comrade
07-05-2016, 10:30 PM
Great to win a close game against a very good side. We can do it.
Yep, goes to show that all the talk about our 'historical curse' is just rubbish.
How good is it having genuine match winners like Stringer and Bonti.
bornadog
07-05-2016, 10:31 PM
Really was a shoot out tonight, was it a change in game plan
The one worrying thing was they had only 37 inside 50s and an efficiency of 62%
LostDoggy
07-05-2016, 10:32 PM
Great to win a high pressure tight game.
Didn't fit him in my votes but I thought Boyd was very good tonight.
Dale had a good game. What do I know?
Matty Boyd really stood up early and held us together down back.
Dales best game so far.
Ghost Dog
07-05-2016, 10:34 PM
Pathetic capitulation coming our way.
Not really the Bulldog Spirit is it? :D
Yep, goes to show that all the talk about our 'historical curse' is just rubbish.
How good is it having genuine match winners like Stringer and Bonti.
They are going to take us on quite the ride
BornInDroopSt'54
07-05-2016, 10:36 PM
Up yours Adelaide, you will be our bunnies yet.
Great win, incredibly important for self belief. If we'd lost this, with Melbourne next week at MCG and then the Giants up there, we could have slid badly. We had to win and we withstood a lot of pressure, they came at us hard. In the cauldron we we out composed and out contested them. Awesome.
comrade
07-05-2016, 10:37 PM
Really was a shoot out tonight, was it a change in game plan
The one worrying thing was they had only 37 inside 50s and an efficiency of 62%
Similar to the EF last year. Adelaide back in their power running so they like an open game. I think we're happy to play a run and gun style of game, but other teams - like North - are scared to let that happen which is why we saw such a contrast in styles.
Considering the fire power we have to come back into the team, this was a very good win.
jeemak
07-05-2016, 10:37 PM
Not really the Bulldog Spirit is it? :D
Give me a break you cherry picker.
Sedat
07-05-2016, 10:49 PM
Yep, goes to show that all the talk about our 'historical curse' is just rubbish.
It's not a curse, we've just historically sucked at winning tight games for many years.
Awesome that tonight was an exception.
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 10:59 PM
Really was a shoot out tonight, was it a change in game plan
The one worrying thing was they had only 37 inside 50s and an efficiency of 62%
There were some very interesting match ups tonight including 7 man back lines and an unmanned wing at different times.
The Crows seemed determined to stop our zoning back line and intercept marks.
They're an impressive side and we grabbed our chances when it counted
comrade
07-05-2016, 11:03 PM
It's not a curse, we've just historically sucked at winning tight games for many years.
Awesome that tonight was an exception.
Yep, but plenty here seem to think past losses have some sort of influence on the current group.
Sedat
07-05-2016, 11:08 PM
Yep, but plenty here seem to think past losses have some sort of influence on the current group.
This current group really needed that - the EF and the Hawks losses were from the current group, and they showed great composure tonight in the last 2 mins when the whips were really cracking.
comrade
07-05-2016, 11:10 PM
This current group really needed that - the EF and the Hawks losses were from the current group, and they showed great composure tonight in the last 2 mins when the whips were really cracking.
Don't disagree that we needed it for our own development.
Eastdog
07-05-2016, 11:15 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed that tonight. We really played well and kicked a lot of goals which was great to see. It was an attacking game tonight not the best night for defences. Had to get a win against a top 8 team and we did and it will give us a lot of confidence.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 11:18 PM
Don't disagree that we needed it for our own development.
I loved Bailey Dale being the calm head. So many times last week, under pressure we just bombed forward without much thought. His chisling pass in the 3rd, good goal, using his full 30 seconds on a shot late in the last, calm head and good vision to not bomb but hit up Bonts for the sealer and the good mark at the end using his nouse and not panicking under the high ball and then goaling at the siren (for two of his own and some assists). It's all the composure we traditionally lose in these games, from a kid with 13 games experience.
azabob
07-05-2016, 11:21 PM
Ah 8 days is a long time in footy. Dale from zero to hero.
Hotdog60
07-05-2016, 11:22 PM
I think I agree with most here that for a 200+ game player Adcock isn't giving us much looking on the television.
He hasn't influenced enough contests, although he looks to be getting in space and the player with the ball doesn't use him.
We would get just as much out of a HC, Webb or Cordy.
Sedat
07-05-2016, 11:24 PM
I loved Bailey Dale being the calm head. So many times last week, under pressure we just bombed forward without much thought. His chisling pass in the 3rd, good goal, using his full 30 seconds on a shot late in the last, calm head and good vision to not bomb but hit up Bonts for the sealer and the good mark at the end using his nouse and not panicking under the high ball and then goaling at the siren (for two of his own and some assists). It's all the composure we traditionally lose in these games, from a kid with 13 games experience.
Good call. Bont clinically icing that long shot was just as important - he missed a couple of set shot sitters in the EF, so for him to calmly ice the game tonight removed that particular monkey off his back.
comrade
07-05-2016, 11:29 PM
Good call. Bont clinically icing that long shot was just as important - he missed a couple of set shot sitters in the EF, so for him to calmly ice the game tonight removed that particular monkey off his back.
Geez he was good in tight tonight. Our entire engine room was just relentless.
divvydan
07-05-2016, 11:30 PM
Rightly or wrongly, there's going to be a bit of talk about one of the umpires tonight. Pannell gave 17-1 frees our way, with the other two being 8-8 and 3-2.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 11:31 PM
Good call. Bont clinically icing that long shot was just as important - he missed a couple of set shot sitters in the EF, so for him to calmly ice the game tonight removed that particular monkey off his back.
I hope the coaches make a big deal about it too. That's what the best players do, and if Jackson Mac would just do it too he'd be an even better player. Want it, take it and do it for the team.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 11:37 PM
Rightly or wrongly, there's going to be a bit of talk about one of the umpires tonight. Pannell gave 17-1 frees our way, with the other two being 8-8 and 3-2.
This is the flip side of umpire numbers and making umpires a part of the larger narrative I think. I don't think he should be singled out, but he will be and even if he's 100% right he won't be given a direct right of reply. I hope he's not left hanging, even if the reverse numbers were true. On the flip side, who ever paid the deliberate where Betts actually got the last touch could have made more of an error and impacted the result. But lazy journos will just run the headline figure and claim some inane argument demonstrates insight they clearly don't have.
The Bulldogs Bite
07-05-2016, 11:42 PM
Great win. I was almost convinced we'd blow it when Betts put that one through late, such is our history of finding ways to lose games like these but thankfully some composure and skill from Bonti and Dale sealed it. I've been riding Dale high but he certainly stepped up in that last quarter.
I thought Redpath was fantastic and it confirmed my view that we need him (or Boyd) in the side as a FF. The Campbell/Roughy duo works well but they need to capitalise in front of goal for full effect.
Bonti stepping up to the plate and kicking the sealer the way he did was beautiful. I can't remember too many times we've had a player do that. He's a special kind.
On a sour note, Roberts was absolutely awful and maybe halved 1? contest all night whilst Adcock was hardly better. Both really shouldn't be playing unless we're in dire need.
bulldogtragic
07-05-2016, 11:44 PM
Adcock was our only player not to lay a tackle. I thought he was meant to be out there leading by example and doing the hard yards to keep our kids from doing it all...
BornInDroopSt'54
07-05-2016, 11:48 PM
Easton Wood is back. Thought he was well off the pace last week but this week he was back intercepting and initiating forward thrusts.
GVGjr
07-05-2016, 11:58 PM
Adcock was our only player not to lay a tackle. I thought he was meant to be out there leading by example and doing the hard yards to keep our kids from doing it all...
I know he is copping it left and right on here but I didn't see a lot wrong with his performance other than he isn't making an impact on the stat sheet. We also missed him in the open a couple of times during the game.
The Bulldogs Bite
07-05-2016, 11:59 PM
I know he is copping it left and right on here but I didn't see a lot wrong with his performance other than he isn't making an impact on the stat sheet. We also missed him in the open a couple of times during the game.
He had numerous opportunities to kill contests and he couldn't do it because he was either too slow or fell to ground.
I thought tonight made it painfully obvious that the game had passed him by.
GVGjr
08-05-2016, 12:01 AM
He had numerous opportunities to kill contests and he couldn't do it because he was either too slow or fell to ground.
I thought tonight made it painfully obvious that the game had passed him by.
When I watch the replay I'll have a closer look.
bornadog
08-05-2016, 12:04 AM
Easton Wood is back. Thought he was well off the pace last week but this week he was back intercepting and initiating forward thrusts.
11 marks he was like the Easton of last year, great game.
GVGjr
08-05-2016, 12:07 AM
11 marks he was like the Easton of last year, great game.
I'd have to think it was his best game as the captain. I wouldn't mind repeating that comment next week.
G-Mo77
08-05-2016, 12:13 AM
My heart hasn't been thumping like that since the final last year. I knew they'd come even though we got a big break on them. When they got to within 3 I thought it was gone but like we did all night pulled away again. Bailey Dale showed some serious poise when it counted tonight. That pass was perfect and a lot would have blazed away with a bomb.
Terrific win. Good to get a decent scalp.
ledge
08-05-2016, 12:16 AM
Just got home watching replay and Brian Taylor has no idea .. Stringer done a hamstring and out for the rest of the game.
History of hamstrings ? Wtf
History of broken legs too Brian. Seriously !!
ledge
08-05-2016, 12:18 AM
Wallis should be best on ground and Redpath playing gave Stringer help, I'm a lot happier with a true tall full forward straightening us up.
always right
08-05-2016, 12:19 AM
Pathetic capitulation coming our way.
Looking forward to more pathetic capitulations this year.
Ghost Dog
08-05-2016, 12:21 AM
Give me a break you cherry picker.
What a coincidence! I just bought some cherries. I hope you sang the song nice and loud to make up for that one as penance ;)
I'm walking down the street in the 'Tullamarine' ( Boonies ) of Shanghai belting out the tune and the locals are giving me strange looks.
Pity the focus will be a bit on the umpiring. Walker with a knee was handy, but we had our important outs too.
bornadog
08-05-2016, 12:28 AM
Hunter very quiet in the second half with only 4 disposals, not sure what happen.
G-Mo77
08-05-2016, 12:31 AM
Hunter very quiet in the second half with only 4 disposals, not sure what happen.
He was ordinary tonight. Just a bad game
Eastdog
08-05-2016, 12:38 AM
Hunter very quiet in the second half with only 4 disposals, not sure what happen.
Did a few unhunter like things tonight but still a very strong contributor. Macrae hopefully can improve his disospal efficiency.
merantau
08-05-2016, 12:45 AM
How much do I love the Bulldogs? How many grains of sand are there on the beaches of the earth? GO DOGS!
kruder
08-05-2016, 01:08 AM
Wow what a pulsating match indeed ! It cant be underestimated how important that win was at this point of the season. We beat a top 8 side,finally won a tight contest, Bont kicks the winning goal( monkey off the back) and the irony of kid Dale showing composure beyond his years lowering his eyes and connecting a forward with a short pass, something we have struggled all year with. All this while Murphy, Crameri, JJ,Stevens, Suckling and Boyd watch on. GREAT WIN BOYS!!!!!!
BornInDroopSt'54
08-05-2016, 01:11 AM
What a coincidence! I just bought some cherries. I hope you sang the song nice and loud to make up for that one as penance ;)
I'm walking down the street in the 'Tullamarine' ( Boonies ) of Shanghai belting out the tune and the locals are giving me strange looks.
Pity the focus will be a bit on the umpiring. Walker with a knee was handy, but we had our important outs too.
Any TESOL jobs going there Ghostie?
Great win tonight, although if you read some of the early posts we should have lost by 100points.
merantau
08-05-2016, 07:51 AM
This was a great game of football played at a frenetic pace from go to whoa. At times we had the pill pin-balling around at warp speed. It was white knuckle, edge of your seat, eyes as wide as dinner plates, heart attack inducing madness, punctuated with acts of extreme bravery, bravado and braggadocio. Big Jack - he came, he saw and, like a big Centurion tank, he conquered. Stringaaaarrr! Pumped like the Michelin Man on steroids he rampaged across the stage while the Bont weaved and pirouetted in the crowded phone box as sure footed as a mountain goat and deft of hand as Simaron Slim at the Deadwood Saloon's poker table. Wally, Libba and Dahl - the Titans of the Tackle, the Sultans of the Second Effort. Matty Boyd, the Gloved One and The Interceptor - repelled attacks with spontaneous bravery, calculated coolness and dash. Did I enjoy the game? I LOVED IT! GO DOGS!
ledge
08-05-2016, 08:04 AM
All I can say is .. Jack Redpath .. I told you so ! He presents we just have to look for him or at least give him a chance to be in the contest.
Hotdog60
08-05-2016, 08:11 AM
I wonder if when Boyd is fit do we try Boyd at CHF being he is more mobile than Jack and Jack as FF because he is better lead up forward. Or is this type of forward setup gone with the dinosaurs.
Ruck becomes an issue but can they rotate of the bench as most of the mids spend time resting on the forward and back flanks.
ledge
08-05-2016, 08:24 AM
I wonder if when Boyd is fit do we try Boyd at CHF being he is more mobile than Jack and Jack as FF because he is better lead up forward. Or is this type of forward setup gone with the dinosaurs.
Ruck becomes an issue but can they rotate of the bench as most of the mids spend time resting on the forward and back flanks.
I'm not sure why jack is percieved as not mobile .. He was taking marks on the wing on both sides of the ground, he to me is still a better prospect than Boyd at the moment.. Both have played in the ruck.. Look at sides like Sydney, Adelaide and North all have multiple talls. I think we can afford to play both, Crameri will really make selecting our side very hard.
On Crameri , is it true that he can start back at the club in September , If so could he possibly play in finals ?
GVGjr
08-05-2016, 08:38 AM
On Crameri , is it true that he can start back at the club in September , If so could he possibly play in finals ?
Ledge you don't really think a guy who hasn't played a game in any form and hasn't trained with the club would be ready to walk back in for finals footy?
GVGjr
08-05-2016, 09:01 AM
What did everyone think of the goal to Daniels? A real display of effort after effort by Stringer that resulted in a great goal
Twodogs
08-05-2016, 09:48 AM
I'm not sure why jack is percieved as not mobile .. He was taking marks on the wing on both sides of the ground, he to me is still a better prospect than Boyd at the moment.. Both have played in the ruck.. Look at sides like Sydney, Adelaide and North all have multiple talls. I think we can afford to play both, Crameri will really make selecting our side very hard.
On Crameri , is it true that he can start back at the club in September , If so could he possibly play in finals ?
November I think.
merantau
08-05-2016, 10:01 AM
It was a great effort by Stringggaaaarrr! He willed himself through it and the Little Big Man, locked on to his wavelength like a limpet mine, arrived like a well oiled atomic clock to slot it - just like that - without breaking step. Artistry on show. I bet the Adelaide supporters loved it.
Stefcep
08-05-2016, 10:05 AM
Already called this a very important win, for the season as a whole and for the development of the team to win close one.
One thing- and others have alluded to, but its well and truly time the coaching staff took a long hard look at our poor inside 50 efficiency ie goals per entry. It really is ridiculously poor and will cost us finals games.
IMO its not one thing, but a combination of poor delivery to the forwards, poor decision-making by the forwards and poor finishing by the forwards.
I don't think we can put it on the coaching staff because these are individual things that individuals need to be held accountable for.
Yes we're a work in progress but this is one thing that can't really be ignored if our aim is to win a flag and now is the time to do it.
F'scary
08-05-2016, 10:05 AM
What did everyone think of the goal to Daniels? A real display of effort after effort by Stringer that resulted in a great goal
Should feature in goal of the year finalists.
That was the Stringer we like to see. Took a difficult half volley with clean hands, baulked this way and that on the boundary, got a handball away to keep it alive. Followed up with a view to a 1-2 run around the boundary into the goal square. Redders did well enough with the handball standing up in a tackle under pressure but it was not quite to Stringer. Stringer brilliantly slaps the ball onto Daniel's boot. Daniel does his bit with a neat soccer execution. GOAL!
Hotdog60
08-05-2016, 10:34 AM
I'm not sure why jack is percieved as not mobile .. He was taking marks on the wing on both sides of the ground, he to me is still a better prospect than Boyd at the moment.. Both have played in the ruck.. Look at sides like Sydney, Adelaide and North all have multiple talls. I think we can afford to play both, Crameri will really make selecting our side very hard.
On Crameri , is it true that he can start back at the club in September , If so could he possibly play in finals ?
Maybe I'm selling Jack short on being mobile, What if I put it this way.
Jack is a better leading forward than Boyd at this stage of their careers.
Stefcep
08-05-2016, 11:04 AM
Just got home watching replay and Brian Taylor has no idea .. Stringer done a hamstring and out for the rest of the game.
History of hamstrings ? Wtf
History of broken legs too Brian. Seriously !!
"Now WHY why is the kick being taken? WHY wasn't that given as a goal?!!!!........aaah yes because it was a point..."
"Now WHY why is the kick being taken? WHY wasn't that given as a goal?!!!!........aaah yes because it was a point..."
Taylor was beyond ordinary last night, and the rest of the team hounding on about the free kick tally really gave me the shits.
We finally got a game in our favour (like the Hawks every week) and $%^&*$# carry on.
Well the Umpires owe us a billion friggen more games to square up our ledger !!!
Ghost Dog
08-05-2016, 11:30 AM
Already called this a very important win, for the season as a whole and for the development of the team to win close one.
One thing- and others have alluded to, but its well and truly time the coaching staff took a long hard look at our poor inside 50 efficiency ie goals per entry. It really is ridiculously poor and will cost us finals games.
IMO its not one thing, but a combination of poor delivery to the forwards, poor decision-making by the forwards and poor finishing by the forwards.
I don't think we can put it on the coaching staff because these are individual things that individuals need to be held accountable for.
Yes we're a work in progress but this is one thing that can't really be ignored if our aim is to win a flag and now is the time to do it.
Yes, our playing style sometimes makes me extremely nervous. I was trying to explain the game to a bunch of newbies and they thought we were trying to kick points on purpose...
merantau
08-05-2016, 12:09 PM
There was a point deep in the last quarter, when they got to within a kick, I had a flashback - an incident involving Wayde Skipper appeared in my mind's eye like a vision from hell. Thankfully within a trice Bonti was marking the ball and icing the game thus saving me from another bout of PTSD.
Ghost Dog
08-05-2016, 12:34 PM
What did everyone think of the goal to Daniels? A real display of effort after effort by Stringer that resulted in a great goal
Daniels deserves credit for knowing exactly where to be. One of the highlights of the game.
Hotdog60
08-05-2016, 12:37 PM
Taylor was beyond ordinary last night, and the rest of the team hounding on about the free kick tally really gave me the shits.
We finally got a game in our favour (like the Hawks every week) and $%^&*$# carry on.
Well the Umpires owe us a billion friggen more games to square up our ledger !!!
I just watched the replay and looked more at the free kicks we got and it's only my opinion but there were only 3 frees that could have been play on that we got rewarded. Most of them were good enough to be paid. As you say the ledger is far from being made even.
merantau
08-05-2016, 02:47 PM
Just saw Don Pike's sook fest on the box. What a disgrace that this has been given legs. And Leigh Matthews' mental impairment from the Neville Bruns king hit is in evidence. Whilst banging on about the deliberate OOB rule he totally failed to see that it was Betts who hit the ball over NOT Adcock!
Hotdog60
08-05-2016, 07:31 PM
I was just talking about the game with my son and we got to the Dahlhaus tackle from Betts when he was going to the bench.
Was Betts within the protected zone before the umpire called play on?
Even though Betts was heading originally to the bench should he have kept clear until play on was called.
Not that it matters but could a player get pinged for entering the zone while going to the bench.
GVGjr
08-05-2016, 07:37 PM
I'm pretty sure play on was called which is why he turned back towards Dahlhaus
AndrewP6
08-05-2016, 07:44 PM
What did everyone think of the goal to Daniels? A real display of effort after effort by Stringer that resulted in a great goal
Tremendous effort from Stringer in that play, kept it alive and Daniel was spot on with the finish. Great to see.
Hotdog60
08-05-2016, 07:45 PM
I'm pretty sure play on was called which is why he turned back towards Dahlhaus
I understand he heard the play on and went for the tackle but was he too close before the call?
Maybe if the player indicates to the umpire he is going to the bench he is safe but if he doesn't does he give away a fifty metre.
Just wondering what would be the call.
bornadog
08-05-2016, 10:30 PM
I was just talking about the game with my son and we got to the Dahlhaus tackle from Betts when he was going to the bench.
Was Betts within the protected zone before the umpire called play on?
Even though Betts was heading originally to the bench should he have kept clear until play on was called.
Not that it matters but could a player get pinged for entering the zone while going to the bench.
The umpires have thrown the protected zone out the door. Tell me how Bonti can get tackled from behind when he was taking his kick.
There were numerous times players were within 10 metres of the kicker, but umpires didn't really care.
Throughandthrough
08-05-2016, 10:39 PM
All my Crow loving mates (including an ex AFL Umpire) in rAdelaide hate me
Fkn awesome!
jeemak
08-05-2016, 11:30 PM
Just watching the replay and have five minutes remaining in the first half.
It's amazing how the malaise sets in when a couple of prolific ball winners start using it badly. Macrae, who used the ball really well for the first 45 minutes of the game, hesitated with a set shot and then butchered his alternative option. Hunter, who had been patchy with his foot use - with one or two good moments to that point - got in on the act with a number of poor efforts taking the ball from defence.
The complexion of the first half changed all of a sudden and Adelaide started scoring heavily.
Scorlibo
09-05-2016, 01:50 PM
Just watching the replay and have five minutes remaining in the first half.
It's amazing how the malaise sets in when a couple of prolific ball winners start using it badly. Macrae, who used the ball really well for the first 45 minutes of the game, hesitated with a set shot and then butchered his alternative option. Hunter, who had been patchy with his foot use - with one or two good moments to that point - got in on the act with a number of poor efforts taking the ball from defence.
The complexion of the first half changed all of a sudden and Adelaide started scoring heavily.
Yep, that patch towards the end of the second quarter when Hunter blazed away three consecutive times trying to bring it out of the back half, nightmarish. He was sitting on around 20 touches at half time, I reckon he might have had his role reduced and/or confidence killed because he barely touched the pill in the second half. Everyone loses a bit of confidence in the team when a distributor fails to play their role.
bornadog
09-05-2016, 01:53 PM
Yep, that patch towards the end of the second quarter when Hunter blazed away three consecutive times trying to bring it out of the back half, nightmarish. He was sitting on around 20 touches at half time, I reckon he might have had his role reduced and/or confidence killed because he barely touched the pill in the second half. Everyone loses a bit of confidence in the team when a distributor fails to play their role.
I think he only had 4 disposals in the second half and played on the wing and not in the back half.
Yep, that patch towards the end of the second quarter when Hunter blazed away three consecutive times trying to bring it out of the back half, nightmarish. He was sitting on around 20 touches at half time, I reckon he might have had his role reduced and/or confidence killed because he barely touched the pill in the second half. Everyone loses a bit of confidence in the team when a distributor fails to play their role.
He's had a huge few weeks Hunter. He may well have hit the wall a bit in the second half.
Over the first 7 rounds of the season, he has averaged around 90% time on the ground, playing predominantly on the wing - and would have done some crazy kilometres so far this year.
Everyone is quick to put the boots into Hunter and Macrae for their ball use (not necessarily saying on here - more so at the games), but those two guys just work so incredibly hard to be an option for their team mates. And, importantly for the team, they are able to stay out on the ground for huge game time and take the load off others with the reduce rotations.
kruder
09-05-2016, 06:43 PM
Just got home watching replay and Brian Taylor has no idea .. Stringer done a hamstring and out for the rest of the game.
History of hamstrings ? Wtf
History of broken legs too Brian. Seriously !!
The dude barracks for serious injuries trying to add the games narative its bizarre. Stunning that he is in the running for the Friday night gig at 7. Well actually, knowing 7 its isn't at all!
kruder
09-05-2016, 06:48 PM
Adelaide have lost the plot in the post game. They got smashed in nearly every area of the game and were clearly beaten by the better side. It was only their best practice efficiency that kept them in it, a real lack of leadership from Pyke IMO.
F'scary
09-05-2016, 07:23 PM
spot on comments, kruder
merantau
09-05-2016, 07:35 PM
Adelaide have lost the plot in the post game. They got smashed in nearly every area of the game and were clearly beaten by the better side. It was only their best practice efficiency that kept them in it, a real lack of leadership from Pyke IMO.
Couldn't agree more. Pyke needs to take a cold shower, then a run and jump at himself. We hit the post three times and missed a few very getable set shots. Without Jenkins they would have been up that well-known creek. Their vaunted midfield was smashed, their ranga in the ruck was neutered and their champion small forward managed just two inglorious contributions to his team's ledger - tapping the ball OOB and claiming deliberate and then ambushing Luke Dahlhaus from behind en route to the bench. Had his pants lowered, washed, pressed, popped into a celophane bag and handed back to him by the Gloved One who played a masterful game for us.
ledge
09-05-2016, 07:57 PM
They just admitted on fox sports they got smashed in the clinches and need to be harder inside if they are to beat Geelong.
Remi Moses
09-05-2016, 08:19 PM
All my Crow loving mates (including an ex AFL Umpire) in rAdelaide hate me
Fkn awesome!
I've never heard such umpire whinging in my life , and I'm in Melbourne .
There's a reason we get so many free kicks . We hunt the ball , and the old adage of first in gets looked after most times.
Adelaide should concern themselves how their key movers didn't get near it , not whinge about free kick counts.
Josh Jenkins said as much post game, as he was brutally honest .
LostDoggy
09-05-2016, 08:27 PM
Spot on Remi.
We are avearigng nearly 100 more possesions a game then our opp.
Is it any wonder we are awarded more free kicks with the amount of poss differential we are accumalating.
Maybe the poor old crows should have a look at how they go about with their tackling and blocking techniques ;)
bornadog
10-05-2016, 01:20 PM
Umpires happy with free-kick count against the Crows (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-10/free-count-irrelevant-umps?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed%3A+AFL+Latest+News)
THE WESTERN Bulldogs and Adelaide game on Saturday was adjudicated reasonably accurately, says umpires boss Hayden Kennedy.
The Bulldogs won the free kick count 28-12 as they finished victors by 15 points.
Crows coach Don Pyke said after the game the club would contact the umpires department for clarification on some of the decisions.
Kennedy said on Whistleblowers a review of the game showed not a whole lot was missed.
"The actual differential between the two teams doesn't change that much, it changes by one or two," said Kennedy.
"The Bulldogs were first in for the ball. There was some poor tackling, I suppose, from both sides."
Adelaide contacted the umpires on Tuesday morning.
"We thought the holding the man at stoppages we could have improved upon. They'll get back to us if they want, with more specific details," he said.
Kennedy said the free kick disparity did not matter when it came to analysing how the match was officiated.
"It's a really funny thing this week, in that most of the hysteria has been as a result of the actual count," he said.
"The count is irrelevant.
"What we need to try to work out is which ones are correct, and which ones are… unwarranted and missed, because they're the things we need to coach our umpires on."
Murphy'sLore
10-05-2016, 02:17 PM
Stick that up your jumper, Adelaide!
Bulldog Joe
10-05-2016, 04:13 PM
I understand he heard the play on and went for the tackle but was he too close before the call?
Maybe if the player indicates to the umpire he is going to the bench he is safe but if he doesn't does he give away a fifty metre.
Just wondering what would be the call.
It is one of the problems in the game that has never been addressed. I firmly believe this is where we actually need an off-side rule. When play on is called by the umpire from a stationary play, it should only be available for someone to come in from in front of the mark.
LostDoggy
10-05-2016, 04:34 PM
Hahahahahahah, suck it, Adelaide, ya bunch of whinging flogs.
Twodogs
10-05-2016, 04:57 PM
Ner ner ner ner ner ner ner memememe, sooks.
Errreerrr the umpires are picking on us sir!
Hotdog60
10-05-2016, 05:26 PM
I'll be interested in how the frees go this week. Don't be surprised if we are on the lower end of the ledger.
Bulldog4life
10-05-2016, 05:38 PM
I'll be interested in how the frees go this week. Don't be surprised if we are on the lower end of the ledger.
Or we stay on the higher side of the ledger as the umpires say to themselves we won't let the media change how we give frees.:)
Nuggety Back Pocket
11-05-2016, 08:19 PM
Couldn't agree more. Pyke needs to take a cold shower, then a run and jump at himself. We hit the post three times and missed a few very getable set shots. Without Jenkins they would have been up that well-known creek. Their vaunted midfield was smashed, their ranga in the ruck was neutered and their champion small forward managed just two inglorious contributions to his team's ledger - tapping the ball OOB and claiming deliberate and then ambushing Luke Dahlhaus from behind en route to the bench. Had his pants lowered, washed, pressed, popped into a celophane bag and handed back to him by the Gloved One who played a masterful game for us.
This was a pathetic attempt by a rookie Coach in Pyke to try and justify his team's loss. If he had have been more honest and named some of their so called stars in Thompson Sloane Walker and Betts poor performances then his credibility would have remained intact. His untimely outburst took some of the gloss off in what was a tremendous contest which clearly showed that we were clearly the better side in contested footy and forward advances etc etc.
The Doctor
11-05-2016, 09:01 PM
we should pinch Josh Jenkins, Brad Crouch and Jake lever off them and make a real rivalry out of it.
After all we owe them for lost finals, the loss of Koster, McGuinness, Ellen and Standfield and now we have Pannellgate. It wouldn't surprise me if they slipped a paper bag under the table to that well know media thug Barrett to have a crack at our Bevo. Next Brownlow night should be interesting!
On the flip side, we may now struggle to get the fifty-fifty free kicks this weekend.
Murphy'sLore
12-05-2016, 03:08 PM
I don't think we'll get a free kick now for the rest of the season. Especially McLean...
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