MRP Round 10 2016

[bornadog]

Jake Stringer, Western Bulldogs, has been charged with a third offence of being involved in a melee during the first quarter of the Round 10 match between the Western Bulldogs and Collingwood, played at the MCG on Sunday May 29, 2016.

In summary, he can accept a $2500 sanction with an early plea.
A third offence for being involved in a melee is a $4000 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $2500 sanction.

Tom Liberatore, Western Bulldogs, has been charged with a second offence of being involved in a melee during the first quarter of the Round 10 match between the Western Bulldogs and Collingwood, played at the MCG on Sunday May 29, 2016.

In summary, he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea.
A second offence for being involved in a melee is a $2500 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1500 sanction.

Alan Toovey, Collingwood, has been charged with a first offence of being involved in a melee during the first quarter of the Round 10 match between Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs, played at the MCG on Sunday May 29, 2016.

In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.

A first offence for being involved in a melee is a $1500 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.


Viney banned for one match. What a bloody joke. He has a fisty cuffs, blatant boxing and gets a miserable week. Jong accidently bumps a player and ends up with 2 - both after early plea.

[Ozza]

The Viney decision. What an absolute farce. And the comparison with Jong's is a good one.

How, as a sport, can they say that a bump on another player - when going for the ball - could possibly end up with double the punishment that is handed out to a player who throws three punches to the head of an opposition player (and connects) off the ball.

[bulldogtragic]

WTF. One week for Viney. Stop wrestling and start punching Tom & Jake. That's outrageous.

[SlimPickens]

You can't write this stuff

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[bulldogtragic]

You can't write this stuff

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Didn't the MRP tell Viney's knuckle there was insufficient force? If the AFL don't appeal this they never will. Unless it's a dogs player.

[G-Mo77]

Viney banned for one match. What a bloody joke. He has a fisty cuffs, blatant boxing and gets a miserable week. Jong accidently bumps a player and ends up with 2 - both after early plea.

Intent is what should be used with these cases. Jong didn't mean to clip Buntine but gets 3 weeks down to 2. Viney goes out and starts throwing punches with intent to hit the head and gets 1 week. If your intent is to hurt then throw the book at them.

[Axe Man]

Jack Viney, Melbourne, has been charged with striking Brad Ebert, Port Adelaide, during the first quarter of the Round 10 match between Melbourne and Port Adelaide, played at Traeger Park on Saturday May 28, 2016.

In summary, he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea.

Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Port Adelaide Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with low impact to the head. The incident was classified as a two-match sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a one-match sanction.

Not sure how else they could have assessed it? Seems reasonable to to me, Ebert didn't really seem affected by the punches.

However, shouldn't it have been 2 or 3 charges - 1 for each punch that landed? Or once you land one punch are you free to keep going as it will only be assessed as the one incident?

[Axe Man]

Can't believe that little bit of push and shove constituted a melee. Surely you also need more than 3 players for it to be a melee, why were they the only 3 charged?

[ledge]

So one player involved in a Melee from one team but two from another ? That's not a Melee.
Collingwood should be fined for players not supporting one of their players.

[jeemak]

Viney didn't throw punches, really. They were swings at his head that didn't really connect with great force, but the fists weren't tight.

[Go_Dogs]

Can't believe that little bit of push and shove constituted a melee. Surely you also need more than 3 players for it to be a melee, why were they the only 3 charged?

It's been a hot topic at AFL House and the mandate has clearly come down to fine everyone if more than 2 players are in a scuffle.

Also - very amusing re Viney, thanks.

"Your Honours, my clients hand clearly took all the impact of those punches - it's broken. Look at Mr Ebert's head, it's fine."

[ledge]

They were going to charge Ebert with head butting Vineys fist.

[Twodogs]

When was this melee? I can't remember it.

[westdog54]

So one player involved in a Melee from one team but two from another ? That's not a Melee.
Collingwood should be fined for players not supporting one of their players.

Correct.

If they couldn't identify 2 more players from the video then they can't only cite 3.

We should contest the fines and get Collingwood on board to do it.

[Ozza]

Bit of an odd scenario with Toovey having a concussion that they haven't been able to explain. Hopefully no witch hunt/closer look at the melee occurs.

[bornadog]

Bit of an odd scenario with Toovey having a concussion that they haven't been able to explain. Hopefully no witch hunt/closer look at the melee occurs.

I saw a tweet that Footy Classifieds were looking at it. Seemed to involve Stringer.

Edit - see here: https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/737264511673991169

[Ozza]

Collingwood have said that they aren't sure exactly how Toovey was concussed, 'but would get to the bottom of it during the week'.

[bornadog]

Collingwood have said that they aren't sure exactly how Toovey was concussed, 'but would get to the bottom of it during the week'.

AFL has looked at it:


Pies investigating mysterious concussion from Sunday's game. AFL asked questions re scuffle but told unrelated

[Axe Man]

Surely if somebody had whacked Toovey behind the play at the time he went down half way through the second quarter someone would have seen it and the down the ground cameras would have picked it up?

It seems like it might have been a delayed concussion from something earlier in the game, like when Vickery was trying to mark an imaginary football in that pre-season match.

[Hotdog60]

Is it only good for the Bulldogs or will there be fines for this. If not the club should contest the fines.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2016-06-04/dubious-hawks-free-sparks-tension

[Flamethrower]

Surely if somebody had whacked Toovey behind the play at the time he went down half way through the second quarter someone would have seen it and the down the ground cameras would have picked it up?

It seems like it might have been a delayed concussion from something earlier in the game, like when Vickery was trying to mark an imaginary football in that pre-season match.

There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about "delayed concussion" in the media. The concussive episode itself is not delayed, some of the symptoms are - by hours or days. These delayed symptoms are in addition to the immediate symptoms that occur at the time of the brain injury.

The issue in diagnosing concussion is that (like many other serious diseases) the immediate symptoms can be quite vague, and therefore misdaignosed as something less serious. eg meningococcal meningitis/septicaemia oftens presents as a mild flu like illness.

[bornadog]

Is it only good for the Bulldogs or will there be fines for this. If not the club should contest the fines.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2016-06-04/dubious-hawks-free-sparks-tension

N. Jones - $2500 fine
T. Lynch (GC) - $1500 fine
A. Tipungwuti - $1000 fine
J. Ceglar - one-match ban

[bulldogtragic]

And Roughie getting bumped in the head?

[bornadog]

And Roughie getting bumped in the head?

No Charge


Contact between West Coast Eagles’ Shannon Hurn and Jordan Roughead from the third quarter of Sunday’s match was assessed. The panel said Roughead took possession and was immediately tackled by West Coast’s Scott Lycett. As Roughead was being tackled, he fell and made contact with Hurn. Hurn turned side- on and braced for the approaching contact. It was the view of the panel that the high contact to Roughead was caused by circumstances outside the control of player Hurn, as he did not have a bumping action. No further action was taken.

[comrade]

Hurn was bumping regardless. Garbage decision, especially in comparison to the Jong incident.

[Twodogs]

There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about "delayed concussion" in the media. The concussive episode itself is not delayed, some of the symptoms are - by hours or days. These delayed symptoms are in addition to the immediate symptoms that occur at the time of the brain injury.

The issue in diagnosing concussion is that (like many other serious diseases) the immediate symptoms can be quite vague, and therefore misdaignosed as something less serious. eg meningococcal meningitis/septicaemia oftens presents as a mild flu like illness.

Cheers.

So it would be correct to say that Vickery was suffering from a delayed symptom but the damage was already occurring before the symptom appeared.

I was hit on the head with a tree branch when I was in primary school. I was fine until I woke up the next day with a really bad head ache. Ended up in hospital for a few days.

[bulldogtragic]

Hurn was bumping regardless. Garbage decision, especially in comparison to the Jong incident.

100%. No one holds them to serious account.

[ratsmac]

And Roughie getting bumped in the head?

How did I know Hurn would have no case to answer. It's definitely a chook lotto. Other teams are obviously allowed to bump our heads but we aren't allowed to accidentally bump other teams. We have always got a raw deal at the tribunal imo.

[bulldogtragic]

How did I know Hurn would have no case to answer. It's definitely a chook lotto. Other teams are obviously allowed to bump our heads but we aren't allowed to accidentally bump other teams. We have always got a raw deal at the tribunal imo.

No, we are both wrong. I found this in the 2016 AFL Laws of the Game:

16.1.5.18

18. Western Bulldogs

18. A. No Western Bulldogs players shall make any contact with any opposition players above the shoulder. Up to and including pats of support. Offences shall carry a minimum of one week suspension, or in cases not likely to receive media attention a 100% loading applies.

18. B. If opposition players make any contact with Western Bulldogs players heads, deliberate, reckless, accidental or incidental then the Match Review Panel is obligated to grade such impact such that it the opposition player shall not be suspended. In cases likely to attract media attention, a one week suspension can be granted if it was effected by a tip rat like Lindsay Thomas. However, AFL media shall be obligated to run stories that the aforementioned tip rat was being 'tried by media'.


Rules are rules. Just gotta move onto next week.

[Remi Moses]

It's Monday night chooklotto night .
The hurn case, what a farce

[Sedat]

It's Monday night chooklotto night .
The hurn case, what a farce
Not to mention Tippa only getting a fine for jumping off the ground and bumping his opponent in the head.

Hawkins getting 2 down to 1 week for brushing Davis'.jaw and Tom Lynch getting a fine for a full-blooded punch to the stomach.

Dreadful week for the MRP

[ledge]

I'm still in shock over the Viney one. Hit someone 5 times doing a Mohammed Ali .. One week , brush a blokes jaw and it's two weeks . Hawkins should have hit him 3 times and got his weeks dropped.

[bornadog]

I'm still in shock over the Viney one. Hit someone 5 times doing a Mohammed Ali .. One week , brush a blokes jaw and it's two weeks . Hawkins should have hit him 3 times and got his weeks dropped.

Hawkins is 2 weeks and early plea means one, same as Viney. Geelong will certainly challenge and it will be down graded to a fine, otherwise he gets 2 and misses playing us.:)

[soupman]

Not directly concerning us, but I have found myself strangely on North Melbournes side regarding the "injustice" of Lindsay Thomas' suspension for taking out Lachie Hunter.

I think it was worth looking at by the tribunal, and I was happy a suspension was issued. However, as the linked video demonstrates (https://twitter.com/giantroo/status/739368234915241984) it is hardly a lone occurrence in the league. And yet, it is the only incident of the lot to even be mentioned at having been looked at by the MRP.

Now obviously Thomas' was the only one to end with a concussion, but still surely they at least assess the action itself like they do with the other incidents continually listed in the MRP findings.

If none of the other incidents even warranted a look at by the MRP you have to question it's consistency yet again, and all bias aside when you consider Thomas had less time to react than any of the others and had an opponent who was starting from a low position making a tackle awkward to execute he was somewhat unlucky to be the only player to cop a punishment. Especially when you see the pathetically crude coathanger Blicavs "executed" this week on Nathan Wilson that wasn't even mentioned in the MRP findings.

[ratsmac]

No, we are both wrong. I found this in the 2016 AFL Laws of the Game:

16.1.5.18

18. Western Bulldogs

18. A. No Western Bulldogs players shall make any contact with any opposition players above the shoulder. Up to and including pats of support. Offences shall carry a minimum of one week suspension, or in cases not likely to receive media attention a 100% loading applies.

18. B. If opposition players make any contact with Western Bulldogs players heads, deliberate, reckless, accidental or incidental then the Match Review Panel is obligated to grade such impact such that it the opposition player shall not be suspended. In cases likely to attract media attention, a one week suspension can be granted if it was effected by a tip rat like Lindsay Thomas. However, AFL media shall be obligated to run stories that the aforementioned tip rat was being 'tried by media'.


Rules are rules. Just gotta move onto next week.

Gold!

And I thought they had something against us. They are simply following the rules.

Love it!

[Ozza]

The Hawkins suspension is disgraceful.

[KT31]

The Hawkins suspension is disgraceful.

A seriously very poor decision, so much inconsistency in the last couple of weeks.
Would have been very happy if he got two matches though.;)

[Bulldog4life]

What happened to the pure 1 match suspension. It seems to be always a 2 match suspension downgraded to 1 if the player pleads guilty. 2 matches for what Hawkins did is ridiculous.