Macrae v Wines - Did we make the right decision?

[bornadog]

Watching the game yesterday I was thinking about these two players. We took Macrae at pick 6 and Wines was taken at pick 7. Did we make the right decision? Personally I think we made the right decision. I think Macrae is under rated by those outside our club.

Here are some career stats:



Player Statistics Comparison





Jackson Macrae (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-western-bulldogs--jackson-macrae)
Name
Oliver Wines (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-port-adelaide-power--oliver-wines)


Western Bulldogs (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-western-bulldogs)
Team
Port Adelaide Power (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-port-adelaide-power)


Midfield
Position
Midfield


67
Career Games
74


Oakleigh Chargers
Origin
Bendigo Pioneers


August 3, 1994
Date of Birth
October 7, 1994


21yr 10mth
Age
21yr 8mth


191cm
Height
187cm


83kg
Weight
92kg


2012 National Draft (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2012&t=N&s=P)
Last Drafted In
2012 National Draft (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2012&t=N&s=P)


Round 1, Pick #6
Last Draft Position
Round 1, Pick #7


Western Bulldogs (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-western-bulldogs)
Last Drafted By
Port Adelaide Power (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-port-adelaide-power)


Career
Stats for Season
Career


67
Games
74


12.6
Kicks Per Game
10.0


12.5
Handballs Per Game
12.7


25.1
Disposals Per Game
22.7


4.6
Marks Per Game
2.9


0.3
Goals Per Game
0.5


0.2
Behinds Per Game
0.4


4.4
Tackles Per Game
4.8


0.1
Hitouts Per Game
1.8


1.5
Frees For Per Game
1.1


0.6
Frees Against Per Game
1.0

[F'scary]

Both clubs would have to be very pleased with their selections. Lots at risk with a top ten pick, a lot don't work out or are average footballers. In this case, both would be around in the first six selected in their respective teams every week and that is pretty good going.

[bulldogtragic]

Yep. Wines had the advantage of a strong side and huge momentum as he developed. Macrae has had to slog it out, and even got tagged on the weekend. Macrae was the youngest ever player to get 40+ touches. Macrae also does the hard things well. I think Wines has some development left. I think Macrae has a lot of development left. Both will be considered very good players when they retire. I'm very happy to have Jack, and more so when he irons out his goal kicking phobia.

[GVGjr]

I don't think you could go wrong with either player as both are hard working and tough.

Perhaps there is a bit of a Jarrad Grant connection in potentially separating the players sometime in the future.
I suspect Wines might be the sort of player that would want to kick the goal after the siren more than Macrae might.

It's going to be interesting in watching these guys over their careers but I'd have Jack slightly ahead.

First to the flag wins :)

[lemmon]

I think Wines is a marginally better footballer purely because of his work in the contest - he was Patrick Cripps before it became cool. Despite that I think Macrae is a better fit for us. We have enough of the hard ball winners, he's vital as the accumlator and link man in our midfield mix

[comrade]

Macrae started as a skinny, outside accumulator and has transformed his inside ability over the past 2 years. Definitely think we made the right call.

[EasternWest]

Win win either way, but I've been impressed with how hard/courageous McCrae has become. He looks every bit as outside wingman as you can get but never fails to go when it's his turn.

[comrade]

If Jack fixed his one-sidedness, he'd be an A-grade jet. Twists himself in knots to get on his left.

Happy for him to just kick on his right every day of the preseason or else face Redpath in a bare knuckle sparring session.

[GVGjr]

If Jack fixed his one-sidedness, he'd be an A-grade jet. Twists himself in knots to get on his left.

Happy for him to just kick on his right every day of the preseason or else face Redpath in a bare knuckle sparring session.

Just had a Robert Walls flash back :)

[comrade]

Just had a Robert Walls flash back :)

Whatever it takes :D

[Twodogs]

I don't think you could go wrong with either player as both are hard working and tough.

Perhaps there is a bit of a Jarrad Grant connection in potentially separating the players sometime in the future.
I suspect Wines might be the sort of player that would want to kick the goal after the siren more than Macrae might.

It's going to be interesting in watching these guys over their careers but I'd have Jack slightly ahead.

First to the flag wins :)

Hehe. Very good.



I'm happy with Jack and I'd be just as happy with Wines.

[westdog54]

We made the right decision.

Had we picked Wines, we would have made the right decision.

They're both guns, pure and simple.

[Scorlibo]

I think there's still a heap of improvement left in Jack. What we've seen thus far in his career is an incredible ability to transform his game for the better, to the point where he is now one of the most dependable players we have inside the contest. From here with him it will be about getting balance, being able to work hard inside and regain some of his instinct to take the open space when it presents itself. He can also be more damaging around goals than what he's shown this year.

I don't see the same upward trend with Wines - for that reason I'm happy we picked Jack.

[Ghost Dog]

Once a player is in the tri-strip, I get blinkers. Can't be objective.

[Sedat]

I reckon Melbourne won because they got Toumpas ;)

[boydogs]

Wines is leading the AFL for clangers this year

The people who complain about Macrae's disposal would be tearing their hair out if we went the other way

[1eyedog]

Wines might be a more natural footballer than Jack but Jack is a smarter footballer and is / will be more creative.

[Go_Dogs]

It's going to be a really interesting comparison for a long time.

Most neutrals would have Wines ahead, because he came onto the scene as a player who could win his own ball and had a strong defensive side to his game.

Macrae has, over his first 3.5 seasons, added those elements to his game.

Wines is the grunt at Port, so I'm not too concerned looking at his clanger numbers or efficiency probably doesn't tell the entire story - if you look at the clearance and contested stats you get a better idea about the role Wines plays for his side.

Who would I take for us? Macrae, he's the type of player we needed, he has a good all round game and will continue to improve.

Who would I take for Port? Wines, he's the inside player they needed, and has proven he'll be a consistent ball winner at the level for a long time. He wins clearances, he tackles hard and compliments their other mids nicely.

[LostDoggy]

Port obviously really rate Macrae as he had Ebert running with him all day!

[Throughandthrough]

I reckon Melbourne won because they got Toumpas ;)

...who can't get a game at Port now either. Good Sanfl player but that's his limit.

[Throughandthrough]

Wines has had an under whelming season this year. But as most people say above, both are great players. I'll give you the answer in ten years.

[Topdog]

Going off player ratings Wines is 61, Macrae 111

[Dancin' Douggy]

I like Macrae's head more. So it's Macrae for me.

[LostDoggy]

With Wines nuggety, powerful build, it's no surprise he made the bigger impression as a teen. As Macrae has gotten stronger and filled out his physique, he has bridged the gap fast. Both are genuine top 10 talent. Macrae was an excellent choice, I wouldn't swap him, but Wines is equally as valuable (although arguably not as valuable to us given team balance).

Doesn't always pan out, but players with the more rangy physique do often end up with longer careers.

[Ozza]

I think both clubs would be very satisfied with their pick.

Given we had drafted Liberatore and Wallis not too long before - Macrae gave us something different to those players, Wines would have been a very similar type - and at the time we had Griffen & Boyd also playing as genuine inside mids.

[Ozza]

Also worth noting, that Macrae's career possession average of 25.15 - is the 16th highest in AFL history. Its been a solid output for his first 66 games.

[Twodogs]

With Wines nuggety, powerful build, it's no surprise he made the bigger impression as a teen. As Macrae has gotten stronger and filled out his physique, he has bridged the gap fast. Both are genuine top 10 talent. Macrae was an excellent choice, I wouldn't swap him, but Wines is equally as valuable (although arguably not as valuable to us given team balance).

Doesn't always pan out, but players with the more rangy physique do often end up with longer careers.

Look at Michael Tuck. 425 senior games and 100 reserves games. He had a similar build to Jack.


Also worth noting, that Macrae's career possession average of 25.15 - is the 16th highest in AFL history. Its been a solid output for his first 66 games.

That's pretty impressive.

[macca]

Macrae is not even 22 and has played 66 games, it can only get better., elite and superior ! We have found a gem here and looking forward to his next 200 games. The great thing is these kids are now entering the 50-100 game brackets, hopefully their weakness and inconsistencies get ironed out. Ie enright and bartel , rarely a bad game

[The Bulldogs Bite]

You can't lose on either one, but if I had my choice between the two I'd be picking Wines.

[Remi Moses]

We're biased but Wines has stagnated in the last two years.
Macrae has improved, and I think it's reflective of each clubs progress in the last two seasons