MRP - General thread

[bornadog]

How does Jack Ziebell get cleared for contact on Sam Mitchell.

see hit here (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/video-jack-ziebell-reignites-north-melbourne-and-hawthorn-tension-with-late-bump-on-sam-mitchell/news-story/cd107958473e4b9d411ff86589d01bec)

I refer everything back to the Jong incident which was assessed as 3 matches, an 1 match discount for early plea.

[bulldogtragic]

Good bloke reduction and fear that Brayshaw & Scott will scream blue murder that JZ is being singled out with regard to high contact.

[bornadog]

Jong actually turns and doesn't hit the head, his arse hits his shoulder, head is around back of Jong.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13247676_643087972508661_5185729888613411480_o.jpg

[bornadog]

Compare here

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/587203ea28d77c358b43b45cd4fd78d6

[Twodogs]

Can't get that second image to show BAD. The Ziebell one.

[bulldogtragic]

It's simple really. They kept rubbing Zieball out and he walk out of the tribunal and say 'I'm not changing the way I play'. So they had to keep suspending him or not.

[LostDoggy]

One bloke got knocked out and was out for the rest of the match, the other got straight back up. There's the difference.

[Remi Moses]

How in hell did Vince not get suspended ?
Chooklotto

[SonofScray]

One bloke got knocked out and was out for the rest of the match, the other got straight back up. There's the difference.

Why does one deserve punishment and not the other?

[bornadog]

Compare here

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/587203ea28d77c358b43b45cd4fd78d6


Can't get that second image to show BAD. The Ziebell one.

Sorry just realized and fixed

[LostDoggy]

Why does one deserve punishment and not the other?

Not saying I agree with it, but that's how the MRP role and have done so for many years now. I'm not sure why people are still suprised..

[Bulldog Joe]

Unfortunately they decide based on outcome and not intent.

[LostDoggy]

Unfortunately they decide based on outcome and not intent.

How ridiculous that a judiciary system working for the AFL would opperate in this manner.
Imagine the uproar if our judicial system worked the same way.
"Your honor my client yes did have the intent to murder his wife in their bedroom but because the outcome was both unsatisfactory and underwhelming for my client,
I can see no other option for you my lud and the good people of this jury to acquit my client on all charges of intent to kill her because she is physically still in our presence as we can all plainly see for ourselves,like our very noses on our faces,
Your Lordship."

[bulldogtragic]

There's a clip of Dangerfield kneeing an opponent on the ground tonight. The good bloke rule to downgrade it to nothing or a fine to be applied this week by the MRP me feels.

[ledge]

There's a clip of Dangerfield kneeing an opponent on the ground tonight. The good bloke rule to downgrade it to nothing or a fine to be applied this week by the MRP me feels.

Seriously ? Nothing in that at all he was just pulling his leg out and running off.
The media jump on the tiniest things to dramatise and write something.
I think the MRP should fine the media for stupidity.

[ledge]

On the sports media will someone remind them they are there to report what happens not make it happen, thank god they aren't judges or a jury in real life we would all be guilty before we even committed a proven crime.

[EasternWest]

Seriously ? Nothing in that at all he was just pulling his leg out and running off.
The media jump on the tiniest things to dramatise and write something.
I think the MRP should fine the media for stupidity.

Yep. Nothing in it for mine.

[Remi Moses]

Nothing in it for me . He'll be fine .

[Ozza]

If Dangerfield even gets a fine - then it is a disgrace.

[Doc26]

If Dangerfield even gets a fine - then it is a disgrace.

I still can't see what he did wrong. It was pretty impressive that Danger could maintain his balance like he did with Geary's arm wrapped around his lower leg. Nothing in it.

[bornadog]

I still can't see what he did wrong. It was pretty impressive that Danger could maintain his balance like he did with Geary's arm wrapped around his lower leg. Nothing in it.

You can interpret the knee in the face two ways:

1. He tried to free his foot by lifting his leg, and thereby a knee in the face or

2. He meant to give him a little jab and thought it wouldn't be picked up.

[Doc26]

You can interrupt the knee in the face two ways:

1. He tried to free his foot by lifting his leg, and thereby a knee in the face or

2. He meant to give him a little jab and thought it wouldn't be picked up.

For me, I interpret it as point 1 although I can see a marginal case for duty of care. Danger had freed the ball by hand, Geary still had his lower leg wrapped up with his arm and Patrick looked like he had to use a fair degree of force to free himself from the hold. If this was Bont being held up by Geary in a similar fashion I would hate to think that Marcus would be rubbed out or fined for it.

[azabob]

How does the Dangerfield one compare to Redpath's suspension against Melbourne?

[bornadog]

How does the Dangerfield one compare to Redpath's suspension against Melbourne?

Good point Aza, both a knee to the face.

[EasternWest]

Good point Aza, both a knee to the face.

That was pretty crappy footage wasn't it? I vaguely remember thinking when I saw it that it looked to me like Redpath dropped his knee into him. If that's the case, I guess there's the comparison.

[F'scary]

The Woodchopper should have got a good bloke discount.

[bornadog]

Dangerfield cleared.

[Scraggers]

How does the Dangerfield one compare to Redpath's suspension against Melbourne?

That was my point exactly. The Redpath one was exactly the same IMO. Redpath was being held by the legs and lifted his leg to get clear. In doing so he stumbled. Dangerfield was exactly the same. The only difference was Dangerfield collected his opponent on the way up with his knee, Redpath on the way down. Dangerfield's had more force. Neither deserved a suspension.

[bornadog]

That was my point exactly. The Redpath one was exactly the same IMO. Redpath was being held by the legs and lifted his leg to get clear. In doing so he stumbled. Dangerfield was exactly the same. The only difference was Dangerfield collected his opponent on the way up with his knee, Redpath on the way down. Dangerfield's had more force. Neither deserved a suspension.

KB agrees
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl60inKVAAACU0g.jpg:large

[Scraggers]

It's scary when KB and myself have similar thought processes. :eek:

[ledge]

It's scary when KB and myself have similar thought processes. :eek:
Love KB he makes statements to be sarcastic but when it counts he knows exactly what's going on.
Very funny man and very intelligent.
The modern day Lou RIchards character.

[Remi Moses]

I agree with KB . Joke

[bornadog]

Well BT, they are starting to look at stomach punches:

AFL match review panel: Essendon pair David Zaharakis and Mark Jamar offered one-match bans


Read more: (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-match-review-panel-essendon-pair-david-zaharakis-and-mark-jamar-offered-onematch-bans-20160704-gpy5vi.html#ixzz4DPwI5gcW)

[bulldogtragic]

Not before time either!

[Axe Man]

Of course the incident when Dale Morris was hit high trying to pick up the ball wasn't even assessed by the MRP. Yet if he had to be stretchered off there would have been weeks handed out. Dumb luck and Dale's toughness has saved him.

Now I don't believe the Swans player did anything wrong, but it was still high contact and deserved a free kick at least. The lack of consistency in it not even being assessed is astounding.

[SonofScray]

Of course the incident when Dale Morris was hit high trying to pick up the ball wasn't even assessed by the MRP. Yet if he had to be stretchered off there would have been weeks handed out. Dumb luck and Dale's toughness has saved him.

Now I don't believe the Swans player did anything wrong, but it was still high contact and deserved a free kick at least. The lack of consistency in it not even being assessed is astounding.
C.f with Jong. The difference was the outcome only. Yet one was an immediate report, free kick and subsequent suspension. The other was dismissed completely. Morris looked distressed after the contact, he does not embellish.

[Axe Man]

Matt de Boer, Fremantle, has been charged with engaging in rough conduct against Marcus Bontempelli, Western Bulldogs, during the third quarter of the Round 23 match between Fremantle and the Western Bulldogs, played at Domain Stadium on Sunday August 28, 2016.

In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.

Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Western Bulldogs Football Club, the incident was assessed as careless conduct with low impact to the head. The incident was classified as a $1500 sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.


So do you need to be knocked unconscious before it is classified as medium impact? Forced from the ground bleeding isn't enough obviously. That it wasn't even paid as a free kick at the time was a joke.

[boydogs]

So do you need to be knocked unconscious before it is classified as medium impact? Forced from the ground bleeding isn't enough obviously. That it wasn't even paid as a free kick at the time was a joke.

Have to agree there. It is a spot that bleeds easily, but drawing blood has to be medium impact at a minimum

[Twodogs]

Have to agree there. It is a spot that bleeds easily, but drawing blood has to be medium impact at a minimum

I see what you mean but I think that if it's an area that bleeds easily then try not to hit it. If you do hit it and you do draw (quite a lot of) blood then it's got to be more than careless.

[bulldogtragic]

Looking forward to Hodge & Lewis getting off this week for their punches.

[Hotdog60]

Looking forward to Hodge & Lewis getting off this week for their punches.

Won't happen. fine will most likely be the worst.

[Twodogs]

Looking forward to Hodge & Lewis getting off this week for their punches.

You just know that they will get off. But they make up for it by punishing our blokes twice as much. For every hawthorn player treated outrageously leniently a bulldog player cops more than his whack. That way the averages are kept up and justice is done.

[The Adelaide Connection]

I am keen to see if Mumford gets mentioned for his sling tackle on Tippett. Lots of "he'll be fine" talk from commentators initially, but he has ended up with a broken jaw and it just has to be looked at now.

[Remi Moses]

The big question is who'll be the recipient of the weekly hawthorn cheap shop punch to the gut ?
Wouldn't shock me if Stevie J got off

[Bulldog Joe]

The big question is who'll be the recipient of the weekly hawthorn cheap shop punch to the gut ?
Wouldn't shock me if Stevie J got off

If Stevie J is not suspended, it will be the greatest injustice they have perpetrated.

[MrMahatma]

If Stevie J is not suspended, it will be the greatest injustice they have perpetrated.

Remember Hall punching (forget the guy from Eagles) in the guts in a prelim and getting off years ago. AFL will do whatever it takes to ensure their developing markets are given the best chance of winning.

[Bulldog Joe]

Remember Hall punching (forget the guy from Eagles) in the guts in a prelim and getting off years ago. AFL will do whatever it takes to ensure their developing markets are given the best chance of winning.

It was actually Maguire of St Kilda in 05.

[hujsh]

Remember Hall punching (forget the guy from Eagles) in the guts in a prelim and getting off years ago. AFL will do whatever it takes to ensure their developing markets are given the best chance of winning.

Was that any different to the punch on Rioli Friday or the punch Hodge(?) gave someone in the ribs who wasn't looking?

If anything they've been consistent on not penalising those to the point we have a thread dedicated to it.

[Jeanette54]

I would have thought that a stomach punch, although not of of long term consequence, places a big restriction on a gut running mid fielder for some time. That alone should make it something that the MRP could look at. It happens far too often to be anything else than an attempt to gain an unfair advantage.

[Ozza]

From the weekend, Steve Johnson is the only one who is any chance to be rubbed out.

The other offences are all worth fines under the current system. Hawthorn work the system perfectly and just belt blokes in the throat and the chest and get away with $1500 fines.

Its a funny game when a bump is judged far more harshly than a punch to the throat.

[bornadog]

From the weekend, Steve Johnson is the only one who is any chance to be rubbed out.

The other offences are all worth fines under the current system. Hawthorn work the system perfectly and just belt blokes in the throat and the chest and get away with $1500 fines.

Its a funny game when a bump is judged far more harshly than a punch to the throat.

Based on that Hodge should get fined $10k for all the punches.

[Sedat]

Stevie J - 2 down to 1

[bulldogtragic]

Stevie J - 2 down to 1

Appeal? With Gil as a character witness.

[Mantis]

Stevie J - 2 down to 1

That's about right.

[LostDoggy]

No way will he contest and risk missing the GF if they make it.
Beat the Dawks this week and we won't have to worry about him in the Prelim.;)

[LostDoggy]

Has accepted 1 match ban ;)

[bornadog]

Stevie J - 2 down to 1

Compared to Jong 3 down to 2. Bloody Joke

[bulldogtragic]

Has accepted 1 match ban ;)

That's a good out for Dogs/Hawks. Still need to cover their mid/big forwards Cameron, Patton & Lobb. But better him not there!!

[bulldogtragic]

Compared to Jong 3 down to 2. Bloody Joke

Deep breath. He's not playing in a preliminary final that we may be.

[Mantis]

That's a good out for Dogs/Hawks. Still need to cover their mid/big forwards Cameron, Patton & Lobb. But better him not there!!

Their smalls are also in good touch (Greene, Smith).. They're actually a well rounded side.

[bornadog]

Deep breath. He's not playing in a preliminary final that we may be.

I am only worrying about Friday. One week at a time. :)

[LostDoggy]

Good guys and everyone's mate's of the AFEL-Hodgey and Lewy both get off.

[LostDoggy]

Will make it even sweeter when we pants them.;)

[Happy Days]

Their smalls are also in good touch (Greene, Smith).. They're actually a well rounded side

Given the way they were comprised they'd want to be.

[1eyedog]

He's out and he can't hurt us should we make it. Not only that it frees up whoever was going to play on him to take their next best. Very good result he's a big finals specialist and can turn a game quickly.

[boydogs]

He's out and he can't hurt us should we make it. Not only that it frees up whoever was going to play on him to take their next best. Very good result he's a big finals specialist and can turn a game quickly.

Yep, which was likely Dale Morris. He's a big out for them, really valuable goal-from-nowhere player, our Stringer. Didn't bring his kicking boots against Sydney but had 5 scoring shots

[1eyedog]

Yep, which was likely Dale Morris. He's a big out for them, really valuable goal-from-nowhere player, our Stringer. Didn't bring his kicking boots against Sydney but had 5 scoring shots

Agreed I thought Morris as well. Wonder how Greene would feel as Morris jogged up to him ... Anyway, Hawks first.

[azabob]

Anything our boys have to worry about from last night?

[jeemak]

Just a few bob clipped from everyone but Suckling's match fees I'd reckon.

[EasternWest]

Just a few bob clipped from everyone but Suckling's match fees I'd reckon.

Gold.

[Ozza]

Tom Boyd & Clay Smith can accept $1000 fines.

Go on Big Tom, be a sport and shout Clay a melee fine.

[bornadog]

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[strebla]

I would have find Suckling our bench got there very disappointing !!!!

[bornadog]

No charges laid in Grand final.

What difference to GWS game, little snotty nose snipers.

[Ozza]

Good result.

Thought Easton Wood was a small chance to get looked at for his hit on Kieran Jack - although it was a body hit, that he came in quite late may have been a risk.

Great that all are available for round 1 of the premiership defence!

[bulldogsthru&thru]

No charges laid in Grand final.

What difference to GWS game, little snotty nose snipers.

Much respect to Sydney. GWS are scum. They were sniping Sydney in the qualifying final too. Grand final day was just a hard, physical game between two great teams. A lot of respect to Sydney. I hope GWS never have any success.

[LostDoggy]

I hope they have at least 62 years of pain!!!
I'll be long gone by then!

[soupman]

Much respect to Sydney. GWS are scum. They were sniping Sydney in the qualifying final too. Grand final day was just a hard, physical game between two great teams. A lot of respect to Sydney. I hope GWS never have any success.

I too was impressed with how professional Sydney were. They never went for the unnecessary push and shove or got lippy, they just did what they had to do (just not as well as us). A club that is hard to dislike.

[bornadog]

I too was impressed with how professional Sydney were. They never went for the unnecessary push and shove or got lippy, they just did what they had to do (just not as well as us). A club that is hard to dislike.

Also true of their supporters.

[Ozza]

Also true of their supporters.

When I arrived at the ground, I actually thought that it was a fairly soft landing to get Sydney in the first GF that most (or all) of us have experienced.

By soft landing, I mean that it wasn't by any stretch a fierce atmosphere - no angst - like we would probably have experienced if we had run into Collingwood, Hawthorn or St.Kilda for instance in a grand final. If Sydney had have won, you wouldn't have expected any of their supporters to antagonise you.

Hard to say a bad word about the way Sydney's players or supporters conducted themselves, and you would hope they would feel the same about us.

It was certainly a different feel in GWS - where it seemed (we) bulldogs supporters who were on tour, were on a mission and brought the hostility up the highway/across the border!

[boydogs]

Thought Easton Wood was a small chance to get looked at for his hit on Kieran Jack - although it was a body hit, that he came in quite late may have been a risk

They looked at Wood's bump on Hannebery's knee but cleared him

[FrediKanoute]

All good then. Would have been a shame to see him rubbed out for either incident