So here is why WBFC are smarter than journos & talk back nuffies.

[bulldogtragic]

1. The salary cap is about $10,000,000. We've been paying 95% for "years and years and years" (Peter Gordon today). That means $500,000 a year we have banked. Assuming it's 4 years, then we have banked $2,000,000 by not over paying fringe players in the bad years. By running lean, and Gryphone walking away from us paying his full years wage, we've not paid Tom Boyd yet in net terms. $200,000 last year & $1,500,000 this year (allegedly) then we've paid him $1,700,000 of our $2,000,000 in the bank (over years). So he's not really impacted the actual cap in the severe way some are screaming about. So that brings his salary impact for future years to around $670,000.

2. The salary cap could rise by between $450,000 & $550,000 for the next CBA terms of 5 years. If that gets taken off Tom's contract, then Tom Boyd costs us as little as $120,000 a year if the cap rise offsets his wage. Thats the equivalent of a mid range first year draftee impact. As Dwayne says, 'that's crazy good'.

3. Stew Crameri is to be paid by Essendon, and we've been allowed to use half his years wage, circa $180,000, to front end players (i.e. Boyd, which would bring his contract to $80,000 a year, equivalent to a rookie) or bank it to use on re-signing other players and/or throw it at a free agent player to bump up any trade offer, say Michael Hurley.

That's around $4,500,000 to $5,000,000 we've been quietly factoring in to our player contracts. Any wonder we can keep re-signing every young gun to long term deals and be "very active this trade period" (Peter Gordon today). Journos with their feigned outrage and crocodile tears have just been schooled on TPP excellence and exposed for the ignorant frauds they are. Now watch for the confused digging in or the embarssed back peddling.

[bornadog]

Well thought out BT.

Now factor in to take the Bont and Stringer to $1 million each per year. :D

[Mofra]

Cheers BT but I'm not sure the past year's 95% cap baking works like that (2015 would, other previous years have some sort of reducible loading applied).

[bulldogtragic]

Cheers BT but I'm not sure the past year's 95% cap baking works like that (2015 would, other previous years have some sort of reducible loading applied).

Happy to be corrected on that. I understood that the banking can be used to a maximum 105% of TPP, so it gets spread evenly (I.e. 4 years at 95% equals 4 years at 105%). That aside, it's still going to be a very large sum plus with the cap rising and Crameri's wages sitting outside the cap still count for a lot of dollars.

[bulldogtragic]

Well thought out BT.

Now factor in to take the Bont and Stringer to $1 million each per year. :D

Well if we are to believe Tom Boyd costs the cap a million a year, and now in net terms he wont then there's a million free. Say Bonts & Jake are on $500,000. Then the aforementioned million gets split to both, and then they both are paid a million each.

[Axe Man]

Happy to be corrected on that. I understood that the banking can be used to a maximum 105% of TPP, so it gets spread evenly (I.e. 4 years at 95% equals 4 years at 105%). That aside, it's still going to be a very large sum plus with the cap rising and Crameri's wages sitting outside the cap still count for a lot of dollars.

This is from an article last year:


TRADE period will have extra impetus this season, with at least nine AFL clubs understood to be in a position to spend above the salary cap because of the AFL's new Total Player Payments (TPP) banking system.

The new rule allows clubs who have spent under 100 per cent of the cap in the past two seasons to spend up to a maximum of five per cent over it in 2016.


Clubs can pay over the salary cap an equivalent amount to what they may have underspent in 2013 and 2014, if they can afford to do so and want to introduce flexibility in the way they manage their player payments.

So it sounds like you can only go back 2 or 3 seasons for the banked amount?

[Axe Man]

Found some more info:


The introduction of a new TPP banking mechanism that allows clubs to spend over 100 per cent of the TPP and ASA limits (combined limit), if in any of the preceding two years the club spent below 100 per cent of the combined limit.

The permitted amount of overspend is commensurate with the level of underspend in the relevant preceding period.

For instance, if a club was $500k below the combined limit in 2015, it can spend up to $500k over the combined limits across 2016 and 2017

The overspend amount in any given year permits a club to spend up to a maximum of 105 per cent of the combined limit in that year.

This mechanism is effective from season 2015 (as such any underspends in 2013 and/or 2014 can be recovered in 2015)

[bulldogtragic]

Found some more info:

So over the Boyd period for instance. So we recovered as much as $1,000,000 last year (from 2013 & 2014. And another $500,000 this year (from 2015), for a $1,500,000 total. That's $1,500,000 and also a total of $2,000,000 to $2,500,000 in cap increases over the upcoming CBA. $180,000 or more from Stew's salary not being included.

That's between $3,680,000 and $4,180,000 over the (95%) cap as it stood when we started the seven years of Boyd's contract. That's 60-70% of his entire contract cost found from sources outside the standard cap at the time of his recruitment. Doesn't seem like an overly irresponsible contract.

[Go_Dogs]

I'm sorry BT, but the facts don't fit with the flavour of the story and thus, need not be referenced.

The media jumping up and down is great - every player we extend, FA we target and trade we make is really going to challenge the narrative. Looking forward to the confused looks and allegations we've cheated the cap.

[bulldogtragic]

double post.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm sorry BT, but the facts don't fit with the flavour of the story and thus, need not be referenced.

The media jumping up and down is great - every player we extend, FA we target and trade we make is really going to challenge the narrative. Looking forward to the confused looks and allegations we've cheated the cap.

So you're an Einstein rationalist then: "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts".

Fair enough, he was a pretty smart guy. Not sure he'd get his head around the Boyd contract though. Some things are too difficult for humans to comprehend. :D

The way I understand an economic argument on the Boyd deal is like a parliamentary budget (which is probably wrong, numbers aren't my strong suit!!). We make a promise of $6M over 7 years, and the opposition say how will you fund it? We say we have a minimum banking credit from 2013-2015 of $1.5M to claim in 2015 & 2016. We have savings of at least $180,000 in 2016. We have new revenue coming in 2016 for 2017-2021 of $2.6M. So we have approximately $4.3M budgeted on paper alone. We will pay $200,000 in 2015 & $1.5M in 2016 for $1.7M. - For a total of $6M all allocated by the end of 2016 and free to pursue other opportunities as we wish.

[bulldogtragic]

As per the news article today, read in conjunction with the story behind this thread. We could have as much as $1,500,000 banked in salary cap savings ready to spend this year on a player as we were still under the cap this year. Plus Crameri's wage getting banked. Plus the EBA will be signed off which could be another $500,000 or more a year increase. That's ball park $2,300,000 we could spend next year, less any salary increases given to players who also got a premiership cash bonus from the AFL.

We can literally go shopping for whomever we want, provided we can satisfy the trade. What a master stroke from the club to have this opportunity available if we want to use it.

[1eyedog]

Is there a way of continually banking this for when our premiership A and B graders come out of contract?

[bulldogtragic]

Is there a way of continually banking this for when our premiership A and B graders come out of contract?

Banking is use it or lose it at the two year mark. We need to front end some contracts, or go grab a Fyffe or Heeney.

[EasternWest]

Banking is use it or lose it at the two year mark. We need to front end some contracts, or go grab a Fyffe or Heeney.

I would love Heeney. He looks like rolled gold.

[Topdog]

As per the news article today, read in conjunction with the story behind this thread. We could have as much as $1,500,000 banked in salary cap savings ready to spend this year on a player as we were still under the cap this year..

Which news article?

[bulldogtragic]

Which news article?

Its on the Dogs Day board. We paid under the cap again this year, despite the cries about Boyd stretching has to breaking point.

[Twodogs]

As per the news article today, read in conjunction with the story behind this thread. We could have as much as $1,500,000 banked in salary cap savings ready to spend this year on a player as we were still under the cap this year. Plus Crameri's wage getting banked. Plus the EBA will be signed off which could be another $500,000 or more a year increase. That's ball park $2,300,000 we could spend next year, less any salary increases given to players who also got a premiership cash bonus from the AFL.

We can literally go shopping for whomever we want, provided we can satisfy the trade. What a master stroke from the club to have this opportunity available if we want to use it.

Speaking of the premiership bonus does that count in this year's cap or next year's cap or both?

[bulldogtragic]

Speaking of the premiership bonus does that count in this year's cap or next year's cap or both?

Outside the cap. It's from the AFEL, not the club/club's player payment.

[Twodogs]

Outside the cap. It's from the AFEL, not the club/club's player payment.


That makes sense.

Are you sure it's right?

[bulldogtragic]

That makes sense.

Are you sure it's right?

That's what I've read, it's a winners bonus direct from the AFEL as the players prize money for winning the flag. In the Hawks & Geelong years they were 100% salary cap and their players got the bonus payments from the AFEL. If they were included in the cap the AFEL would've made them exceed the cap.

[Bulldog4life]

That's what I've read, it's a winners bonus direct from the AFEL as the players prize money for winning the flag. In the Hawks & Geelong years they were 100% salary cap and their players got the bonus payments from the AFEL. If they were included in the cap the AFEL would've made them exceed the cap.

The current cash prize for the winning club is A$1 million according to Wiki.

[bulldogtragic]

The current cash prize for the winning club is A$1 million according to Wiki.

Yep, as I understand it $1M to the club, and about $600,000 to the players.

[GVGjr]

That's what I've read, it's a winners bonus direct from the AFEL as the players prize money for winning the flag. In the Hawks & Geelong years they were 100% salary cap and their players got the bonus payments from the AFEL. If they were included in the cap the AFEL would've made them exceed the cap.

You're right it doesn't go onto the cap otherwise some clubs would be wrecked the following season having to trade away players.

[Twodogs]

Speaking of the premiership bonus does that count in this year's cap or next year's cap or both?


Outside the cap. It's from the AFEL, not the club/club's player payment.

Actually that's not really the question that I meant to ask. What I wanted to know is are there any accounting methods or other ways of using the premiership bonus to help us salary cap wise?

[1eyedog]

Actually that's not really the question that I meant to ask. What I wanted to know is are there any accounting methods or other ways of using the premiership bonus to help us salary cap wise?

You mean the extra cash to take us closer to using 100% of it?

[Twodogs]

You mean the extra cash to take us closer to using 100% of it?

I think so?

[bulldogtragic]

Actually that's not really the question that I meant to ask. What I wanted to know is are there any accounting methods or other ways of using the premiership bonus to help us salary cap wise?

That's income to the club for use how ever we want to use it. There's no specific salary cap advantage per se.

[Twodogs]

That's income to the club for use how ever we want to use it. There's no specific salary cap advantage per se.


So there aren't conditions attached like X amount must go to the players? I think it's 1.2 mil. The AFEL don't write out seperate cheques of 600k to the club and 600k to the players, it all just goes into the club account?

I wonder if all the players in the list, or just senior game players or just players who played in the GF will get a cut?

[Twodogs]

I've been meaning to ask how many changes did we make during the whole campaign? Was it just the two from the elimination final team? Or was there another from the EF to the semi final?

[bulldogtragic]

So there aren't conditions attached like X amount must go to the players? I think it's 1.2 mil. The AFEL don't write out seperate cheques of 600k to the club and 600k to the players, it all just goes into the club account?

I wonder if all the players in the list, or just senior game players or just players who played in the GF will get a cut?

I think it's roughly $1,000,000 to the club and $30,000 for each of the 22 premiership players. $1,660,000.

[bulldogtragic]

I've been meaning to ask how many changes did we make during the whole campaign? Was it just the two from the elimination final team? Or was there another from the EF to the semi final?

After W1: outs are Jong (McLean)
After W2: outs are Suckling (Roberts)
After W3: unchanged

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[Twodogs]

After W1: outs are Jong (McLean)
After W2: outs are Suckling (Roberts)
After W3: unchanged

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Thanks BT. I knew that would be easier than googling it.

That's pretty impressive. Only two changes in four consecutive weeks of finals. Some pretty big efforts from Roughhead, Liberatore, Jong, Macrae and a few others to get out on the park every week-or even just again in Jong's case.

[westdog54]

Thanks BT. I knew that would be easier than googling it.

That's pretty impressive. Only two changes in four consecutive weeks of finals. Some pretty big efforts from Roughhead, Liberatore, Jong, Macrae and a few others to get out on the park every week-or even just again in Jong's case.

*cough* Morris *cough

[Twodogs]

*cough* Morris *cough



His back was only a bit broken.