Asking Tom Boyd to take a pay cut sets a dangerous precendent

[Ghost Dog]

Titus O'Rielly (http://titusoreily.com/asking-tom-boyd-to-take-a-pay-cut-is-a-disgrace/)Asking Tom Boyd to take a pay cut is a disgrace

Earlier this week, Cameron Mooney and known glove wearer Luke Darcy, called for Tom Boyd to take a pay cut.

To say this is an outrage is putting it too mildly. It is downright un-Australian. It is an attack on the soul of this country girt by sea.

Right now, Tom Boyd isn’t doing his job as an AFL player very well. In fact, he often seems to be phoning it in and has been promoted well above his skill set.

But do we automatically reduce his salary as a result?

To do so would set a precedent that could decimate the Australian economy overnight.



If we reduced the salary of every Aussie not doing their job very well, we would be plunging wages back to 1970s levels.

It would make the recent Global Financial Crisis look like a children’s picnic.

It’s the type of accountability everyone likes directed at someone else but not towards themselves.

It’s also counter to the Australian ideal that doing a poor job, shirking the real work should get you promoted, not a reduced salary.

Many of the best executives I’ve ever known have been terrible at their jobs. It’s why they got promoted, to get them away from any equipment they could damage themselves or others with. To put a barrier between them and the actual work.

It’s not Tom’s fault he’s been given a job he can’t do and a lot of money. He’s not the only white male that’s happened to.

Before we start docking footballers pay for not performing, think about the precedent that sets.

After all, you’re probably reading this when you should be working.

[westdog54]

I must admit I chuckled when I read this.

As I do with most of Titus' stuff.

[ledge]

Titus is my hero .. Sarcasm but true !

[F'scary]

What's with the "white male" bit?

[Twodogs]

What's with the "white male" bit?

I wondered sbout that. I also wondered what executives being good at being executives even though they can't tie their shoelaces had to do with Tom Boyd's contract.

[hujsh]

What's with the "white male" bit?

The idea that it's not uncommon for white guys to coast though life a little bit easier than some others, for things to be a bit more likely to just work out and generally have a bit more privileged life.

Not too controversial in our society I wouldn't think

[Happy Days]

The idea that it's not uncommon for white guys to coast though life a little bit easier than some others, for things to be a bit more likely to just work out and generally have a bit more privileged life.

Not too controversial in our society I wouldn't think

Very true; I'm doing this right now!

Bit rich coming from the satirical AFL writer I would have thought though.

[Twodogs]

The idea that it's not uncommon for white guys to coast though life a little bit easier than some others, for things to be a bit more likely to just work out and generally have a bit more privileged life.

Not too controversial in our society I wouldn't think

So he means when someone is promoted to a pointless management level position where they cant do as much damage as they could do in a position where people have to actually do work?

Like the Executive Officer in Charge of the Procurement of Toilet Paper or something along those lines? (I worked in the public service for a long time)

[hujsh]

So he means when someone is promoted to a pointless management level position where they cant do as much damage as they could do in a position where people have to actually do work?

Like the Executive Officer in Charge of the Procurement of Toilet Paper or something along those lines? (I worked in the public service for a long time)

I saw that as being one thing. The other being the there's more assumed competence/benefit of the doubt for white guys in managerial positions. The opposite of in Anchorman when they worry a female news anchor will attract bears.

[Ghost Dog]

In Education, usually the most competent teachers are still in classrooms, while the duds get promoted.

[hujsh]

In Education, usually the most competent teachers are still in classrooms, while the duds get promoted.

Sounds familiar (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=vice+principals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Xt2eV_z4PIG60gSh54HIAw)

[Ghost Dog]

Jack Watts gives Toyd a pat on the back and tells him to buy a set of earplugs.

Link Here (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/melbournes-jack-watts-advises-fellow-maligned-forward-tom-boyd-to-just-ignore-the-garbage/news-story/e7a90fcdadbe7be5f52aa15a16af8748)

93% of people surveyed on Fox Footy believe Tom will succeed in being a dominant key forward.
The other 7% must be journalists I think.

[Remi Moses]

Sounds familiar (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=vice+principals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Xt2eV_z4PIG60gSh54HIAw)

That sounds very familiar

[Twodogs]

I saw that as being one thing. The other being the there's more assumed competence/benefit of the doubt for white guys in managerial positions. The opposite of in Anchorman when they worry a female news anchor will attract bears.


So they did to!

[F'scary]

The idea that it's not uncommon for white guys to coast though life a little bit easier than some others, for things to be a bit more likely to just work out and generally have a bit more privileged life.

Not too controversial in our society I wouldn't think

One of the things I love about what our game is doing is promoting equality. If it is not ok to generalise based on something that should be completely trivial like skin tone, then it is not ok with me to do so.

[F'scary]

I saw that as being one thing. The other being the there's more assumed competence/benefit of the doubt for white guys in managerial positions. The opposite of in Anchorman when they worry a female news anchor will attract bears.

If it is wrong to generalise about one person's skin colour, then it is wrong to generalise about anyone's. Your smarmy internet PC attitude actually drives people into the extremists camps. It is divisive. And your generalisation above is just so sweeping it is inane.

[Ghost Dog]

Maybe Titus used the wrong word. I think he meant something to express the sentiment of CEO types who are really not very good at their jobs, but collect massive dollars. White is not the right word, but I know what he meant to express.

[hujsh]

One of the things I love about what our game is doing is promoting equality. If it is not ok to generalise based on something that should be completely trivial like skin tone, then it is not ok with me to do so.


If it is wrong to generalise about one person's skin colour, then it is wrong to generalise about anyone's. Your smarmy internet PC attitude actually drives people into the extremists camps. It is divisive. And your generalisation above is just so sweeping it is inane.

If you're looking for an argument/fight then I'd suggest looking literally anywhere else on the internet to do so.

But if you think that in our society there are not advantages to being born a white guy, then I'll just say I disagree and leave it there

[Remi Moses]

Apparently Caroline Wilson on Classified last night reckons Darcy might have gotten a whisper in his ear to run with this.
No proof of course , just gossiping .
I reckon Clarkson gets Dunstall to do this with Hawthorn , in having a not so subtle dig at a player or the group , to garner a reaction

[Twodogs]

And we get Damien Barrett.

[bornadog]

Apparently Caroline Wilson on Classified last night reckons Darcy might have gotten a whisper in his ear to run with this.
No proof of course , just gossiping .
I reckon Clarkson gets Dunstall to do this with Hawthorn , in having a not so subtle dig at a player or the group , to garner a reaction

That is the dumbest thing she has ever said.

[Ghost Dog]

That is the dumbest thing she has ever said.

As you all know, I am not one of Caroline Wilson's fans usually, but I agreed and liked her taking Luke Darcy to task. He is a nice guy, and a club legend, but I really disliked him putting extra pressure on Tom in the media.
Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aiW1JNlm4w)
She has a go at Peter, which I don't really make much of.

[dukedog]

Damien barrett ~ white guy coasting through life with no skill. Ha! Any excuse to throw the boot in.

[Ghost Dog]

Good to see another white guy, Wayne Carey giving Tom a big pat on his big back, Talking Footy, 24:00 Link (https://youtu.be/rpCjID3UTZg)

To his credit Barrett had some good things to say about Tom on Footy Classified.
Great game against quality opposition Tom.

[Throughandthrough]

OK, I asked an AFL bod about player contracts and salary caps

PLEASE don't quote this on any other forum.

Here's some edited highlights. I had to delete some really juicy stuff re specific players (none of them dogs)



Ok. So basically there are two types of contracts.

One includes a base payment plus match payments. Match payments are only for AFL games and players don't receive a payment for reserves/state league games. This type of contract is generally for new players, fringe players and possible older players. The club and player gets reward for return.

So let's say the base is $100k and matches are $5k per game a player could have a 'potential earn' of $210k. The potential earn is base plus 22 games X $5k. Often we have bonus clauses if players get to potential matches played (within that one season) milestones. Eg players get bonuses at say 12,15 and 18 games. Other incentives are usually around club B&F finishes (top 10).

The other is a base payment only contract - we call it 'guaranteed money'. The player gets that amount regardless of games played in the season. They still may have incentives as mentioned above included also. So regardless of form or injury or on the flip-side, how many games they play they get the same amount. This type of contract is for the regular player - players who the club need to look after to keep them.

Injury payments are the same as the match payments (no 50% stuff like SANFL clubs have) but these are only paid if the player is injured during an AFL game or at training of their last game was after they played an AFL game.

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Of course, if a player is on a base only contract, they don't receive injury payments.

Tom Boyd would be on guaranteed money. No match payments, so regardless of him playing VFL or AFL he is still being paid that same amount and unfortunately, the full amount is under the cap and as such, it wouldn't be freeing up the salary cap at all.

Clubs will front load or back end contracts to either make sure that the players contract can fit in with other contracts already honored or it may be done to allow space to recruit in a free agent or another big name player (usually then a front ended contract).

So a player could be purported to be on $600k a year for 3 years but in reality may be getting $450, $600, $750k over the 3 years - the average being $600k.

clubs must may over 92.5% of the cap each year, however they can average the cap over three years - the totals must be between 95 -105%.

Ie if a club paid 92.5% one year, they couldn't pay 107.5%, only a max of 105%.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Good to see another white guy, Wayne Carey giving Tom a big pat on his big back, Talking Footy, 24:00 Link (https://youtu.be/rpCjID3UTZg)

To his credit Barrett had some good things to say about Tom on Footy Classified.
Great game against quality opposition Tom.

Caroline's point was that Darcy was revving Toyd at the behest of the club and Peter. She claimed other clubs had used this tactic.