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Eastdog
11-08-2016, 07:07 PM
Margin: Dogs by 28 points
First Goal: T Boyd - Need a big game from Tom
Best On Ground: Bonti - To continue is good form
Crowd: 41,541

Go Bulldogs!

comrade
11-08-2016, 07:22 PM
Dogs by 17
FG: Dicko
BOG: Hunter

Crowd: 38K

bornadog
11-08-2016, 07:43 PM
Dogs by 21
First Goal: Suckling
BOG: Bont

Smads57
11-08-2016, 07:46 PM
Dogs by 12 pts (another heart in mouth game)
First goal to Zaine Cordy this week
BOG Matty Boyd

LostDoggy
11-08-2016, 09:02 PM
Dogs by 37 pts

FG-SSSTTTRRRRIIIINNNGGGEEERRRR!!!!!!

BOG-JJ

39,456

bulldogtragic
11-08-2016, 09:05 PM
Dogs by 78
BOG Tom Boyd (7 goals, 4 actual free kicks paid to him!)
FG Stringer

Ozza
11-08-2016, 09:21 PM
Dogs by 26
First Goal - Dickson
BOG - Bont....as always.
Crowd - 40,012

Go_Dogs
11-08-2016, 09:50 PM
Dogs by 58
First goal Boyd
BOG JJ

Bulldog4life
12-08-2016, 09:46 AM
Dogs by 18
First goal Hunter
BOG The Bont

If we win we would recorded a fourth-straight win over Collingwood for the first time in 70 years so c'mon doggies.

LostDoggy
12-08-2016, 10:03 AM
Dogs by 53
1st goal: Hrovat
BOG: Bont (although opposition coach will fail to give him a vote)

KT31
12-08-2016, 10:25 AM
Dogs by 27pts
1st Goal - Tommy Boyd
BOG - Bonts

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 10:27 AM
Dogs by 15 points - we just don't blow side away
First goal: Dickson
BOG: Biggs

1eyedog
12-08-2016, 11:07 AM
Dogs by 42 points
First goal Tom Boyd
BOG: Bont of course

AndrewP6
12-08-2016, 11:25 AM
Dogs by 22
First goal Boyd Jr
BOG: The Bont
Crowd: 31,933

The Bulldogs Bite
12-08-2016, 12:20 PM
Dogs by 11
BOG JJ
First goal Picken

Remi Moses
12-08-2016, 01:41 PM
Dogs by 12 pts
1st goal Dickson
BOG The Bont

Remi Moses
12-08-2016, 05:35 PM
Stevo reporting late change for Pies.
Pendles or Moore

bornadog
12-08-2016, 06:31 PM
No late changes

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 06:38 PM
No late changes


For either side?

bornadog
12-08-2016, 06:39 PM
For either side?
Yes, both sides

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 06:43 PM
Yes, both sides
Good, we need to be tested and both Pendles and Moore often play well against us.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 08:21 PM
Biggs has brought his own footy.

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 08:23 PM
How exciting are JJ and Biggs in the backline?

Eleanor Street
12-08-2016, 08:24 PM
They have no confidence going forward at all. Even Bont stops at the 50, wastes five seconds and just lobs it in. Caleb needs to learn to honor a lead. Iv'e seen him several times ignoring a lead and just lobbing it in to no advantage.

AndrewP6
12-08-2016, 08:35 PM
Good contest by Boyd Jr, Smith finishes it off.

chef
12-08-2016, 08:37 PM
Free kick for running into the fence WTF

Eleanor Street
12-08-2016, 08:40 PM
Zane Cordy showing his stuff. standing out.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 08:43 PM
Zane Cordy showing his stuff. standing out.

He has been beastly so far. Bulldogtragic was right, again.

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 08:48 PM
Missing easy shots killing us again. Zaine the difference so far.

Bulldog4life
12-08-2016, 08:59 PM
Match changed after Dunkley missed that sitter

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 08:59 PM
Cracking contest but we are having troubles with some of our finishing skills. We need something from Stringer in the 2nd half

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 09:00 PM
Match changed after Dunkley missed that sitter

Real shame. He just pops up whenit counts. Its a shame he isnt better with his set shots

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 09:02 PM
Match changed after Dunkley missed that sitter

Yep. I thought we had our foot on their throat almost if he'd kicked that. We just miss so many gettable goals. So, so many that it's got to be reflecting on the forward coach.

Bulldog4life
12-08-2016, 09:02 PM
Real shame. He just pops up whenit counts. Its a shame he isnt better with his set shots

He tends to lay back when kicking for goal I noticed

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 09:03 PM
Woofers are quiet tonight.

The Bulldogs Bite
12-08-2016, 09:04 PM
We need a restructure up forward. Gia has had enough time and the results are awful.

We have little system.

chef
12-08-2016, 09:05 PM
He tends to lay back when kicking for goal I noticed

Hes got a terrible ball drop which is surprising as i would have thought his dad would have known better and made sure his kid knew how to kick neatly.

chef
12-08-2016, 09:06 PM
We are really missing Adams and Morris down back tonight.

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 09:06 PM
I just got in and saw the score to my horror. 1 point the difference at half time. Dogs, what is going on?

Twodogs
12-08-2016, 09:08 PM
Hes got a terrible ball drop which is surprising as i would have thought his dad would have known better and made sure his kid knew how to kick neatly.

Did you ever see his dad kick? It wasn't his strongest suite.

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 09:08 PM
Morris gave a sensational overiew of the backline and his injury at the Players Sponors room. I will try and remember to type something up later

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 09:09 PM
Did you ever see his dad kick? It wasn't his strongest suite.

I think that's the point Chef is making

Twodogs
12-08-2016, 09:09 PM
Come on boys.

1eyedog
12-08-2016, 09:10 PM
I just got in and saw the score to my horror. 1 point the difference at half time. Dogs, what is going on?

Lack of forward structure as usual. No linear trajectory into the forward line as usual. Its always chaos.

chef
12-08-2016, 09:11 PM
Did you ever see his dad kick? It wasn't his strongest suite.

Thats what i mean about making sure his son didnt have the same fault;), as i said his dad should have known better.

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 09:11 PM
Thanks 1eye

Collingwood won seven of the last nine clearances of the first half. Brodie Grundy won four hitouts-to-advantage during this period with three of them launching goals. - AFL

Getting killed in the ruck by the sounds.

Bulldog4life
12-08-2016, 09:12 PM
Stringer 2 touches

Twodogs
12-08-2016, 09:12 PM
Lack of forward structure as usual. No linear trajectory into the forward line as usual. Its always chaos.

If that means we won't kick it straight into the forward line, I agree.

Twodogs
12-08-2016, 09:14 PM
Thanks 1eye

Collingwood won seven of the last nine clearances of the first half. Brodie Grundy won four hitouts-to-advantage during this period with three of them launching goals. - AFL

Getting killed in the ruck by the sounds.


That tells the story.

Eleanor Street
12-08-2016, 09:14 PM
We need a restructure up forward. Gia has had enough time and the results are awful.

We have little system.
I agree. The sides well under us have more structure going forward. Players running to space and kickers hitting them up. Should I say it's like under 16's. It is the last piece of the pie. Suckers hasn't done much.

1eyedog
12-08-2016, 09:15 PM
If that means we won't kick it straight into the forward line, I agree.

No idea what it means I read it somewhere and thought it sounded smart

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 09:15 PM
Jake Stringer to the midfield please. 2 touches is deplorable. I do not want to go to Perth.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:17 PM
Going to be a very tight second half I think. We've let Collingwood get a real decent confidence boost with that second quarter and they will really be hard to shake off now.

Eleanor Street
12-08-2016, 09:19 PM
How's the bounce. the footy gods aren't with us.

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 09:24 PM
Our forward 50 effort is getting to disgusting level.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:25 PM
That decision on Hamling..what a crock. Absolute horrid call.

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 09:25 PM
Now this from the umpires. FFS.

jeemak
12-08-2016, 09:28 PM
Wow, we really piss fart around with the footy.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:30 PM
Oh Okay. So it's not chopping the arms in a marking contest, when the choppee is Tom Boyd???

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 09:30 PM
I would love Darcy Moore in my side. He looks likely to clunk it every time he goes near it.

westbulldog
12-08-2016, 09:32 PM
is anyone playing on Treloar ?

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:33 PM
Wow. Fletch... that's a bit rubbish.

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 09:33 PM
Home final not enough motivation?

AndrewP6
12-08-2016, 09:33 PM
This is simply awful.

Bulldog4life
12-08-2016, 09:34 PM
Roberts fumbling cost us a goal. Jongy goal

1eyedog
12-08-2016, 09:34 PM
What happened to Clay?

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:34 PM
Lovely finish from 50 by Lin Jong!

FrediKanoute
12-08-2016, 09:34 PM
Smith's off

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 09:35 PM
Great mark Hammers. One player who has stepped up.
CD to Bont, Goal, back on track. Well done Bonty.
In a few minutes Bont gets really involved. Suckling....drat. Sprays it and we point.
Jong gets one and we are back in front.

Stefcep
12-08-2016, 09:36 PM
Bont lifting

Stefcep
12-08-2016, 09:40 PM
Jong lifting

Rocket Science
12-08-2016, 09:40 PM
Reckon Jong just upped the Collingwood offer on the table.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:40 PM
Fantastic back to back long range running goals by Jong!

FrediKanoute
12-08-2016, 09:40 PM
Every time I think Jong is overated and not worth it.....he does something great.

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 09:41 PM
What a come back. Dickson scrambles through with great pressure. 73 66 our way.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 09:41 PM
Dickson worked bloody hard for that.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:41 PM
Reckon Jong just upped the Collingwood offer on the table.

and/or ours

AndrewP6
12-08-2016, 09:43 PM
A bit of a lift and we are back in it.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:43 PM
I get the feeling I'm going to be hating Darcy Moore for a very long time...

FrediKanoute
12-08-2016, 09:44 PM
Boyd needs to sit down and watch what darcy Moore does. He is a great exponent of forward craft - will be the next BIG forward in the game

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 09:45 PM
Well defended that time by Roberts. Scores are level.

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 09:46 PM
Boyd needs to sit down and watch what darcy Moore does. He is a great exponent of forward craft - will be the next BIG forward in the game

His hands look too soft at times.

Stefcep
12-08-2016, 09:46 PM
Boyd needs to sit down and watch what darcy Moore does. He is a great exponent of forward craft - will be the next BIG forward in the game

does he do any rucking?

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 09:48 PM
Can someone call the club and see if Hunter has a right foot? Two times caught HTB 20 metres out,..

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 09:48 PM
We are working overtime for not enough reward at the moment. Need a bit lift for the final quarter

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 09:49 PM
does he do any rucking?

We are smarter. We get a blue chip pick one KPF and we ruck him.

The Bulldogs Bite
12-08-2016, 09:50 PM
Hunter is a very frustrating player.

Suckling poor too.

Can't see us winning this.

Stefcep
12-08-2016, 09:52 PM
We are smarter. We get a blue chip pick one KPF and we ruck him.

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 09:53 PM
This is going to be a tough final quarter. Need another quarter like that from Bont in the last. C'mon

The Underdog
12-08-2016, 09:54 PM
We are smarter. We get a blue chip pick one KPF and we ruck him.

Well seeing as Roughy is a better contested Mark, maybe not such a bad plan

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 09:57 PM
Hamling has shown some more encouraging signs tonight.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 10:00 PM
Rat is a nifty little footballer.

If we win this game it'll be on the back of Bontempelli's will alone. He's a freak.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 10:00 PM
Great start this last quarter. First two goals.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 10:07 PM
Some very poor goal-kicking by Dunkley, undoes so much good work

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 10:07 PM
We are working overtime for not enough reward at the moment. Need a bit lift for the final quarter

If you don't kick goals from right in front, you deserve to lose. Basically.

chef
12-08-2016, 10:08 PM
Thats a killer from Dunks. Got to nail those.

Bulldog4life
12-08-2016, 10:08 PM
Some very poor goal-kicking by Dunkley, undoes so much good work
Rather he hanballed it off

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 10:09 PM
Nathan the Rat. Outmarks a taller Varco to mark in the 50. Unreal. and kicks it!

Murphy'sLore
12-08-2016, 10:10 PM
This is not doing my blood pressure any good at all.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 10:11 PM
Stringer has been rubbish tonight.

I think he's still injured. If he's not, then he needs a talking to. Too happy to play from behind and too easily taken out of the play.

KT31
12-08-2016, 10:14 PM
How is it all night they seem to have had the lose men ?

KT31
12-08-2016, 10:16 PM
Just when Jong starts to turn me around he turns it over so easily.

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 10:16 PM
Jong. Atrocious turnover. Scores tied.

Rocket Science
12-08-2016, 10:17 PM
I love Caleb Daniel like the son I've never had but jeezus he's turned it over this quarter.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
12-08-2016, 10:17 PM
Picken. Immense.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 10:21 PM
Biggs has just been fantastic tonight.

KT31
12-08-2016, 10:22 PM
Picken. Immense.

Been brilliant tonight.

Stefcep
12-08-2016, 10:24 PM
Phew....

KT31
12-08-2016, 10:25 PM
Sit down and take a deep breath, another close one.

jeemak
12-08-2016, 10:26 PM
Hunter can really dick around with it.

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 10:26 PM
*!*!*!*! you Margetts. *!*!*!*! you very much.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 10:26 PM
Cracking game. Maybe not a great game to watch but hard to fault both teams desire.

A lot to love about our guys, but still so many worrisome signs.

Happy to take the points and a longer break.

Murphy'sLore
12-08-2016, 10:26 PM
If we didn't have Bonti...

bulldogtragic
12-08-2016, 10:27 PM
Good win, poor footy at times. Take the points and get this home final boys.

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 10:31 PM
Hamling has shown some more encouraging signs tonight.
Agreed, he was good last week as well

Eleanor Street
12-08-2016, 10:36 PM
Biggs has just been fantastic tonight.
Absolutely. and joel hamling gives some more aerial skills to the defense. That was the most anxious game this year. The first I've watched on the tv. It seem when we start to attack the defense via the mid field suffers. We can't do both at he moment Sometimes I don't know how we get through.

chef
12-08-2016, 10:40 PM
What a frantic game. Love our never say die attitude.

KT31
12-08-2016, 10:41 PM
If we didn't have Bonti...

But we do.:):):):):):):):):):)

Eleanor Street
12-08-2016, 10:42 PM
If Bevo isn't frustrated by the forward structure, he must be looking much further ahead than me. Did it seem some players stood of a bit in the last quarter, Suckling, Stringer?

bornadog
12-08-2016, 10:45 PM
I don't know if my heart can take these. Why can't we win comfortably

merantau
12-08-2016, 10:58 PM
We showed character in truck loads out there tonight. It wasn't pretty but, the desperation needle got screwed off its axle. There were so many acts of sheer bloody mindedness NOT to give in, NOT to concede, but to go again, get a hand in, lay a tackle, spoil, harass, break free, DO whatever it takes, that this win must go down as one out of the top drawer. I am just so proud of the team. I died a thousand deaths but I've never felt more alive than I did in the last ten seconds when I knew we'd won Just a magnificent collective effort. GO DOGS!!!

Hotdog60
12-08-2016, 11:13 PM
I think Tom Campbell is becoming a big missing piece to the forward line puzzle.
With Tom C in it will allow Boyd to stay forward.

GVGjr
12-08-2016, 11:13 PM
I don't know if my heart can take these. Why can't we win comfortably

Twodogs gave me a great response to this a few weeks ago. He's not too old to have the team winning close games but he is probably too old to have them losing close games. Food for thought :)

Ghost Dog
12-08-2016, 11:16 PM
A few game-saving tackles away from angina there. if we could kick a bit straighter please it would save me an enormous amount of stress. We made such hard work of that. Glad to chalk it up. Bont the big difference.

jeemak
12-08-2016, 11:18 PM
On the train home, it feels good to be the winner of a close Friday night game against a big club.

Have to say, much like last week, I was completely underwhelmed by the turnout of Pies fans. Disappointing effort on their behalf.

LostDoggy
12-08-2016, 11:18 PM
What a game and what a win! Bont a star but picken was awesome. The players that have come in have been fantastic.

FrediKanoute
12-08-2016, 11:29 PM
Good win.

EasternWest
12-08-2016, 11:38 PM
Twodogs gave me a great response to this a few weeks ago. He's not too old to have the team winning close games but he is probably too old to have them losing close games. Food for thought :)

That's gold.

merantau
12-08-2016, 11:42 PM
Stringer had an off night but he stood up in the last five minutes. He's very staunch when we are up against it. He showed some controlled mongrel in a couple of critical contests in those last frantic two minutes.

merantau
12-08-2016, 11:48 PM
Stringer had an off night but he stood up in the last five minutes. He's very staunch when we are up against it. He showed some controlled mongrel in a couple of critical contests in those last frantic two minutes.

jeemak
12-08-2016, 11:50 PM
Treloar's a bloody good footballer. Does a lot of drive work between the half lines and gets forward and back.

Eastdog
12-08-2016, 11:57 PM
Just relieved to get the win. We were really cutting thin. I cannot fault our spirit and the team effort as I thought that was excellent. Bontempelli was really good especially in that 3rd quarter. Picken just puts in the effort each week - great player. Dunkley is going to be a player. Liked Clay Smith's efforts and look quite a good forward. Our defence didn't have the best night.

The Bulldogs Bite
13-08-2016, 12:03 AM
Our effort, heart and courage is fantastic ...

... But we have some major issues that we just aren't improving whatsoever, and that greatly concerns me. Our skill level is poor - particularly our ability to finish off and we still have no system going forward. How can we be 20 weeks into the season and not see any improvement within these areas?

The Bulldogs Bite
13-08-2016, 12:04 AM
Treloar's a bloody good footballer. Does a lot of drive work between the half lines and gets forward and back.

Yep - he runs hard, fast and straight.

jeemak
13-08-2016, 12:15 AM
Our effort, heart and courage is fantastic ...

... But we have some major issues that we just aren't improving whatsoever, and that greatly concerns me. Our skill level is poor - particularly our ability to finish off and we still have no system going forward. How can we be 20 weeks into the season and not see any improvement within these areas?

Don't underestimate the impact injuries and no genuine forward availability or consistency when available have had on our forward set up. Mixed with less intercept marking and clean clearance from defence due to personnel missing or playing sporadically we've been up against it for that 20 weeks.

Those issues aside, having such one sided players like Jack and Lachie running through the middle accumulating lots of ball means any half smart team can corral them wide or limit their options when they have it, slowing our movement. If you ad the poor disposal by foot of Jong, Dunkley, Picken, Stevens and Dahl among others in transition, or their unwillingness to actually move it quickly in transition then what we've been witnessing is hardly surprising. From Level two TV side I saw Tom Boyd get absolutely torched on the lead in all areas from deep forward to wing by all sorts of players (Picken not lowering his eyes at least twice to spot him up, and Dahl not moving the ball quickly at least twice stood out the most) because the didn't have confidence in being able to move the ball quickly and cleanly.

It's the price you pay for not bottoming out severely and for extended periods of time - or being lucky enough to be the AFL's love child and handed ridiculous amounts of concessions. Sure, you can end up with good players otherwise, but the reality is you don't end up with the elite kicks and decision makers and this is what we're lacking.

As an aside, Hrovat's input in this area has been refreshing. We need more like him.

kruder
13-08-2016, 12:17 AM
Thoughts on Hrovat's game guys? I didn't get to see it, stats looks good was he clean?

SonofScray
13-08-2016, 12:20 AM
For the Pies, Grundy and Treloar were terrific. I liked the way things were going early, a tight game with the ball locked up frequently, felt like we'd strangle Collingwood but it opened up quite a bit and we were in strife but for an immense display from Bontempelli. Dunkley's two misses snuffed a lot of momentum. Wish we'd cash in on our opportunities more frequently. Too many behinds.

Has there ever been so many free kicks paid to one side in the final 30 seconds of a game ever?

Ghost Dog
13-08-2016, 12:20 AM
Justified his selection I thought. Played well I thought and lots of room for improvement. Too bad he missed one gettable shot.

jeemak
13-08-2016, 12:23 AM
Thoughts on Hrovat's game guys? I didn't get to see it, stats looks good was he clean?

With some tackling pressure he would have just about had the perfect second tier midfield rotation/forwards game. How anyone can go through a full game of footy playing midfield forward without registering a tackle is beyond me.

However, he did contribute by and large and as I said in a previous post, his willingness to use the footy in a thoughtful manner is what we need.

jeemak
13-08-2016, 12:27 AM
For the Pies, Grundy and Treloar were terrific. I liked the way things were going early, a tight game with the ball locked up frequently, felt like we'd strangle Collingwood but it opened up quite a bit and we were in strife but for an immense display from Bontempelli. Dunkley's two misses snuffed a lot of momentum. Wish we'd cash in on our opportunities more frequently. Too many behinds.

Has there ever been so many free kicks paid to one side in the final 30 seconds of a game ever?

Jong and Stringer just couldn't help themselves.

All Jong needed to do was take the ball and dish off hands to see the contest as a minimum neutralised, but he was dumb and obvious and gave the umpire every excuse to turn the game into the weird sports opera they're always aching to bust out if given a chance.

Stringer isn't thinking at the moment and didn't even make an effort to get it across the line or pretend to dispose of the footy.

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 12:28 AM
Twodogs gave me a great response to this a few weeks ago. He's not too old to have the team winning close games but he is probably too old to have them losing close games. Food for thought :)

It was after the Footscray game last week. Two games in a row won by winning points.


Treloar's a bloody good footballer. Does a lot of drive work between the half lines and gets forward and back.


Remember watching him cut us to pieces in the NAB challenge game doing precisely the same thing.

jeemak
13-08-2016, 12:31 AM
It was after the Footscray game last week. Two games in a row won by winning points.




Remember watching him cut us to pieces in the NAB challenge game doing precisely the same thing.

That was a lovely day at the footy wasn't it, with that second half fade out..........

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 12:32 AM
For the Pies, Grundy and Treloar were terrific. I liked the way things were going early, a tight game with the ball locked up frequently, felt like we'd strangle Collingwood but it opened up quite a bit and we were in strife but for an immense display from Bontempelli. Dunkley's two misses snuffed a lot of momentum. Wish we'd cash in on our opportunities more frequently. Too many behinds.

Has there ever been so many free kicks paid to one side in the final 30 seconds of a game ever?

The frustration must have built especially after the silly deliberate that got the ball into the danger zone. I was just glad no one lost it and gave the umpire an excuse to pay a 50 metre penalty.

bornadog
13-08-2016, 12:40 AM
Our effort, heart and courage is fantastic ...

... But we have some major issues that we just aren't improving whatsoever, and that greatly concerns me. Our skill level is poor - particularly our ability to finish off and we still have no system going forward. How can we be 20 weeks into the season and not see any improvement within these areas?

The whole year all we have done is continually plug holes due to injury which hasn't given us the opportunity to improve. Our midfield is almost completely gone. Just when Dahl comes back out goes Macrae, Libba and Wallis. Similar with the backline, but what hasn't stop growing is our spirit and will to win.

jeemak
13-08-2016, 12:42 AM
Ironically, with a quick look at the stats from the game (scroll down) it seems our efficiency was the difference between ourselves and the Pies.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=6343

There wasn't a huge difference between the sides in terms of experience.

bornadog
13-08-2016, 12:45 AM
For the Pies, Grundy and Treloar were terrific.

On Grundy, I am sick and tired of the umpires not picking up this blokes tactics in ruck duels around the ground. At every single one, he has his arms wrapped around his opponent. I said to my mate tonight at the start of the game, just watch him and sure enough I was right.

The umpires were shocking tonight.

Mofra
13-08-2016, 12:47 AM
Jong - loved his effort but by god is he a dumb footballer.
Hrovat - stands out so much because of his ball use and decision making.
Stringer - Rest him. Playing one armed and has lost some lateral movement, just give him a break. Bring McLean in next week.
Suckling - an on/off again passionate relationship. Love him one minute, hate him the next
Tom Boyd - almost there, first half possessions/marks were often double-grabs. He become a one touch footballer = he becomes a dominant footballer.

Bonti - test him for alien DNA. Freak, not human. If you offered me the choice between Bonti, Fyfe and Dangerfeld right now I'd take the Bont. Not a single player in the competition I want more in my team.

The Bulldogs Bite
13-08-2016, 12:48 AM
Don't underestimate the impact injuries and no genuine forward availability or consistency when available have had on our forward set up. Mixed with less intercept marking and clean clearance from defence due to personnel missing or playing sporadically we've been up against it for that 20 weeks.

It's a valid point, but even when we've had 90% of our side on the park, the way we've brought the ball forward has been embarrassing at times.


Those issues aside, having such one sided players like Jack and Lachie running through the middle accumulating lots of ball means any half smart team can corral them wide or limit their options when they have it, slowing our movement. If you ad the poor disposal by foot of Jong, Dunkley, Picken, Stevens and Dahl among others in transition, or their unwillingness to actually move it quickly in transition then what we've been witnessing is hardly surprising. From Level two TV side I saw Tom Boyd get absolutely torched on the lead in all areas from deep forward to wing by all sorts of players (Picken not lowering his eyes at least twice to spot him up, and Dahl not moving the ball quickly at least twice stood out the most) because the didn't have confidence in being able to move the ball quickly and cleanly.

Our game style is designed to lessen the impact on our defense. We concede less, but we score even less. Last year we were too attacking, this year we're too defensive. Personnel issues aside, we need to find a better balance. Part of this is who is on the park, but much of it is game style and structure too.

I watched Zaine Cordy make quite a few leads in the first half before he began to tire and at the same time Boyd, Stringer and Dickson stood still like statues.

Redpath is limited but the reason why he was playing well is because he led - he gave us an option. Boyd wants the long ball (probably due to being fatigued from rucking, which is another issue), Stringer wants it over the back and Dickson has tried turning himself into a crumber.

Zaine got on the end of a few purely due to movement. Boyd perhaps has an excuse, but Stringer and Dickson have been extremely disappointing for mine. The latter was once a great one on one player - the only way he gets his goals now is through a bit of fortune or crumbing.


As an aside, Hrovat's input in this area has been refreshing. We need more like him.

Yep - agreed. I hope like hell we can get Libba and Macrae back (plus a few others) but I'd be keeping Hrovat in this side. We are desperate for polish and he has a bit.

comrade
13-08-2016, 01:00 AM
Time for a Stringer spell. Rest him for the next 2 weeks, means he gets 3 weeks to set himself for a big finals tilt.

Thoughts on Cordy's game? Thought he handled himself well once again, in an unlikely role. Could he be the mobile, marking tall CHF we've been searching for?

jeemak
13-08-2016, 01:12 AM
Aside from the two goals I didn't think Cordy was overly productive in a material sense, and I don't really see him being a forward long term.

Right now he's scrapping together a presence of sorts forward for us. If the byproduct of that is him learning more about the game through being exposed to different situations then I'm all for it.

If he can continue to kick a few goals in the process then that's great. For me I just want to get games into him as there's some height and talent there to be used.

comrade
13-08-2016, 01:17 AM
Have read some complaints about our forward entries tonight.

Yeah, they weren't great - Picken burnt Tom Boyd twice with 2 ridiculous centering kicks that went 2 metres over his head - but I thought some of our ball movement was the best its been for quite a while. The chain where Dunkley got on the end of it unattended was the best single piece of ball movement I can recall for the past 2 months. Too bad he missed the goal.

Biggs and JJ are getting their hands on it, with JJ in particular looking as though he's reaching peak fitness. With a genuine 2 headed ruck duo, Boyd spending 80-90% of his TOG forward, McLean coming back and Jake Stringer becoming Jake Stringer again, we have the makings of a much better forward set up.

Really should have smashed through the 100 point barrier tonight.

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 01:42 AM
Aside from the two goals I didn't think Cordy was overly productive in a material sense, and I don't really see him being a forward long term.

Right now he's scrapping together a presence of sorts forward for us. If the byproduct of that is him learning more about the game through being exposed to different situations then I'm all for it.

If he can continue to kick a few goals in the process then that's great. For me I just want to get games into him as there's some height and talent there to be used.

I see him running out of defence and kicking the ball into the forward line when he's playing his best football for us.

merantau
13-08-2016, 01:54 AM
We have seven players who would be automatic selections missing from the side - Murphy, Morris, Adams, Liberatore, Wallis, Macrae and Crameri. Plus another few with strong claims in McLean, Stevens and Campbell. We've been plugging gaps all year. To be 14-6 is a fantastic achiement in the circumstances and in my 60 years of following the Dogs there is no other list that could ever have achieved that given the same amount of injuries. Our future is rosy. We still have a lot to look forward to in 2016. Let's keep on winning.

Remi Moses
13-08-2016, 02:45 AM
Reckon Crameri being the connect player is sorely being missed . I'm worried about the disorganisation of our forward half, they seem to congest in the one area, plus the delivery isn't spot on . Gotta get that connection right to challenge in finals . They showed a few instances on fox where there was space to lead into, yet we bombed to a contest .

Ghost Dog
13-08-2016, 07:49 AM
Have read some complaints about our forward entries tonight.

Yeah, they weren't great - Picken burnt Tom Boyd twice with 2 ridiculous centering kicks that went 2 metres over his head - but I thought some of our ball movement was the best its been for quite a while. The chain where Dunkley got on the end of it unattended was the best single piece of ball movement I can recall for the past 2 months. Too bad he missed the goal.

Biggs and JJ are getting their hands on it, with JJ in particular looking as though he's reaching peak fitness. With a genuine 2 headed ruck duo, Boyd spending 80-90% of his TOG forward, McLean coming back and Jake Stringer becoming Jake Stringer again, we have the makings of a much better forward set up.

Really should have smashed through the 100 point barrier tonight.
In his defence, Picken played most of the game with little rest.

G-Mo77
13-08-2016, 08:32 AM
Aside from the two goals I didn't think Cordy was overly productive in a material sense, and I don't really see him being a forward long term.

Right now he's scrapping together a presence of sorts forward for us. If the byproduct of that is him learning more about the game through being exposed to different situations then I'm all for it.

If he can continue to kick a few goals in the process then that's great. For me I just want to get games into him as there's some height and talent there to be used.

That set shot he kicked had to be a miss hit. The ball barely went 3 meters off the ground in it's way through. I thought he was pretty good in the first half but died out in the 2nd.

Overall I was really happy with the win. Some look at were Collingwood sit on the ladder and just thought it'd be a kick around on a Friday night. They picked the right team to play us and almost got away with a win. To our credit every time they came at us we found a way to get the game back on our terms. It was looking pretty dire when they got a 3 goal break on us in the 3rd but we brought that back in pretty quickly. Every time we did get a run on we had momentum stoppers, turn overs or missed goals. We've got to find a way to keep on rolling.

merantau
13-08-2016, 08:51 AM
Jong and Stringer just couldn't help themselves.

All Jong needed to do was take the ball and dish off hands to see the contest as a minimum neutralised, but he was dumb and obvious and gave the umpire every excuse to turn the game into the weird sports opera they're always aching to bust out if given a chance.

Stringer isn't thinking at the moment and didn't even make an effort to get it across the line or pretend to dispose of the footy.

In Lin Jong's defence the only reason the free kick was paid against him is because he is not a star player. Umpires have always been reluctant to penalise the game's stars in pressure situations. Could you imagine Selwood or, in the past Judd or Hird, being pinged in the same circumstances? The classic example was the free kick paid against Wayde Skinner that cost us a finals berth. If Scott Wynd had been contesting it would never have been paid against him. A more telling example was the deliberate out of bounds penalty paid againsy Scott Clayton that cost Fitzroy a final. Then there was the free paid against Carlton full-back Peter Barry against Doug Wade. It cost Carlton the game. It created a lose-lose situation for me as I detest both club's equally but it does illustrate my point: umpires are cowards when it comes to penalizing the games stars.

1eyedog
13-08-2016, 08:56 AM
How many were there last night - felt around 35k?

Rance Fan
13-08-2016, 09:00 AM
I do wonder why Roberts played 5 metres in front of Moore all night?
Moore is a lean run and jump forward. Why wouldn't Roberts play tight and prevent him from doing that??
Odd!

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 09:02 AM
In Lin Jong's defence the only reason the free kick was paid against him is because he is not a star player. Umpires have always been reluctant to penalise the game's stars in pressure situations. Could you imagine Selwood or, in the past Judd or Hird, being pinged in the same circumstances? The classic example was the free kick paid against Wayde Skinner that cost us a finals berth. If Scott Wynd had been contesting it would never have been paid against him. A more telling example was the deliberate out of bounds penalty paid againsy Scott Clayton that cost Fitzroy a final. Then there was the free paid against Carlton full-back Peter Barry against Doug Wade. It cost Carlton the game. It created a lose-lose situation for me as I detest both club's equally but it does illustrate my point: umpires are cowards when it comes to penalizing the games stars.


I was at that game and had always thought Bill Nettlefold that had that decision payed against him. But I looked it up the other day and Nettlefold didn't even play that day. I can still see the umpire and the look on his face thinking "great. A chance at umpiring immortality!"

Mantis
13-08-2016, 09:06 AM
In his defence, Picken played most of the game with little rest.

Most of Picken's bad kicks were early in the game.

soupman
13-08-2016, 09:21 AM
That set shot he kicked had to be a miss hit. The ball barely went 3 meters off the ground in it's way through. I thought he was pretty good in the first half but died out in the 2nd.



Last night was the first time I've seen Cordy play live at any level so I don't have a huge sample size, but to me he seems to always look to spear kick it. His set shot technique is very reminiscent of a certain former captain, n that after a long run up he pretty much plays on and kicks it off 3 quick steps, but generally he seems to be kicking low and hard.

GVGjr
13-08-2016, 09:39 AM
The Players Sponsors and the Top Dogs had Dale Morris as a guest speaker.

He talked about his injury and seemed slightly miffed that he wasn't playing last night. He indicated that the medico's tend to treat any hamstring niggles or minor injuries more seriously when you are over 30.

His main aim when playing is to have only a slight difference between his best and worst games and that is what he works hard to achieve. He is also one the players that have had the most game time this season. Only short rests.

Regarding the back line:

- Continuity in the back 6 is important
- Roberts has had a rapid improvement this year and is finally more vocal than in previous seasons. He will even point out if he thinks he and Morris should swap opponents. He talked Fletch up.
- Teams try and cause mismatches between him and Roberts and occasionally they allow them to do it because they have so much confidence that the likes of Wood, Boyd, Biggs, Hamling and JJ will cover them.

I think he will want to play against Essendon next round.

Bulldog4life
13-08-2016, 10:37 AM
In Lin Jong's defence the only reason the free kick was paid against him is because he is not a star player. Umpires have always been reluctant to penalise the game's stars in pressure situations. Could you imagine Selwood or, in the past Judd or Hird, being pinged in the same circumstances? The classic example was the free kick paid against Wayde Skinner that cost us a finals berth. If Scott Wynd had been contesting it would never have been paid against him. A more telling example was the deliberate out of bounds penalty paid againsy Scott Clayton that cost Fitzroy a final. Then there was the free paid against Carlton full-back Peter Barry against Doug Wade. It cost Carlton the game. It created a lose-lose situation for me as I detest both club's equally but it does illustrate my point: umpires are cowards when it comes to penalizing the games stars.

Other way round if I remember correctly. Geelong were 5 points in front with not long to go in the prelim when Doug Wade marked in front of goal but was penalised for holding Barry's shorts. Carlton went on to win.

soupman
13-08-2016, 10:38 AM
Anybody else hear our ground announcer introduce and congratulate Jordan Roughead on the big screen somehow thinking he was Tory Dickson? Wasn't her finest moment.

Ghost Dog
13-08-2016, 10:41 AM
Most of Picken's bad kicks were early in the game.

Ok. There was another iffy inside 50 where he could have spotted up a few players. In the end we got the goal but he made pretty hard work of it.

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 11:17 AM
Billy Picken was a lousy kick too. Dunkling, Picken. We might have to change that adage about broken full forwards to "if your old man couldn't kick you'll end up at the bulldogs"

AndrewP6
13-08-2016, 11:19 AM
How many were there last night - felt around 35k?

Yep, 35,010.

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 11:19 AM
I'm convinced today's Sunday-I was just looking for the Sunday Age in the supermarket and wondering why they hadn't moved the Saturday Ages. I'm just not used to winning Friday night games.

bornadog
13-08-2016, 11:46 AM
I'm convinced today's Sunday-I was just looking for the Sunday Age in the supermarket and wondering why they hadn't moved the Saturday Ages. I'm just not used to winning Friday night games.

4 wins in a row against Collingwood, first time since 1946 or so.

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 12:07 PM
4 wins in a row against Collingwood, first time since 1946 or so.

Interesting year 1946 from memory. I think we won our first ten or something silly like that.

merantau
13-08-2016, 12:33 PM
Other way round if I remember correctly. Geelong were 5 points in front with not long to go in the prelim when Doug Wade marked in front of goal but was penalised for holding Barry's shorts. Carlton went on to win.

I'm not going to dispute you - it was a long time ago. I'll catagorise it as "an exception to the rule."
I remember a game at Princes Park in the 60s. Alf Brown, I think it was, in the Herald, began his match report with something like: "Spectators at Princes Park this afternoon were treated to a magnificent display of drop kicking by full backs Peter Barry and John "Choco" Bradbury."

Bulldog4life
13-08-2016, 12:36 PM
I'm not going to dispute you - it was a long time ago. I'll catagorise it as "an exception to the rule."
I remember a game at Princes Park in the 60s. Alf Brown, I think it was, in the Herald, began his match report with something like: "Spectators at Princes Park this afternoon were treated to a magnificent display of drop kicking by full backs Peter Barry and John "Choco" Bradbury."

One of the best drop kicks for the doggies was Ian Bryant. Magnificent ones.

Flamethrower
13-08-2016, 01:20 PM
I do wonder why Roberts played 5 metres in front of Moore all night?
Moore is a lean run and jump forward. Why wouldn't Roberts play tight and prevent him from doing that??
Odd!

I was miffed at Fletcher's positioning on Darcy - I know for a fact that the men's department discussed at length how he likes to have a running jump at the ball, and maintaining body contact was vital to curbing his game. The Eagles failed badly 2 weeks ago and Darcy destroyed them until hurting himself. Unfortunately when he was on him Fletch played Darcy like we normally play - 5 metres in front of their opponent rather than shoulder to shoulder. Good learning curve for Fletch who has come on in leaps and bounds this year.

For those calling for Jake to be rested - it would help some of the injuries he is carrying but it would make no difference to his A/C joint injury - they take a long time to get over, and most require surgery to get right. He seems to be trying to nurse it through the rest of the season going at a lot of contests with one arm, knowing that one more big hit to the area will end his season there and then.

merantau
13-08-2016, 01:51 PM
I thought Roberts made two crucial errors. One when he over ran/ fumbled and Collingwood goaled and two, when he was standing 3 - 4 metres to Moore's left and, when a quick, short, kick came in, he couldn't bridge the gap in time to effect a spoil. For me, Hamling played a very solid game. Stood under some high balls, was composed, used it well and more than held his own in disputed situations.

Twodogs
13-08-2016, 02:29 PM
I was miffed at Fletcher's positioning on Darcy - I know for a fact that the men's department discussed at length how he likes to have a running jump at the ball, and maintaining body contact was vital to curbing his game. The Eagles failed badly 2 weeks ago and Darcy destroyed them until hurting himself. Unfortunately when he was on him Fletch played Darcy like we normally play - 5 metres in front of their opponent rather than shoulder to shoulder. Good learning curve for Fletch who has come on in leaps and bounds this year.

For those calling for Jake to be rested - it would help some of the injuries he is carrying but it would make no difference to his A/C joint injury - they take a long time to get over, and most require surgery to get right. He seems to be trying to nurse it through the rest of the season going at a lot of contests with one arm, knowing that one more big hit to the area will end his season there and then.

Yeah that shoulder A/C can affect a player for 18 months to two years. Unless it comes out completely then it nots so bad that he can't play but it impacts on how he contests the ball. Bugger Steven May.


Do you think it would help if the mids got the ball into him a bit quicker?

Eastdog
13-08-2016, 02:43 PM
We have seven players who would be automatic selections missing from the side - Murphy, Morris, Adams, Liberatore, Wallis, Macrae and Crameri. Plus another few with strong claims in McLean, Stevens and Campbell. We've been plugging gaps all year. To be 14-6 is a fantastic achiement in the circumstances and in my 60 years of following the Dogs there is no other list that could ever have achieved that given the same amount of injuries. Our future is rosy. We still have a lot to look forward to in 2016. Let's keep on winning.

Yep so much more quality to come back. We have done so well despite all the injuries.

Eastdog
13-08-2016, 05:57 PM
I watched the last 2 minutes of the game on the Bulldog App today and I have to say the roar from our supporters in the end was electric.

LostDoggy
14-08-2016, 08:13 AM
http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2016-08-12/the-ghosts-of-1946

(http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2016-08-12/the-ghosts-of-1946)
4 wins in a row against Collingwood, first time since 1946 or so.

The westernbulldogs website had an article mentioning the similarities between this match and the 1946 match, published before the match. Incredibly, the result turned out to be identical, Dogs by 3 points.

Ozza
14-08-2016, 10:24 PM
I do wonder why Roberts played 5 metres in front of Moore all night?
Moore is a lean run and jump forward. Why wouldn't Roberts play tight and prevent him from doing that??
Odd!

I'm guessing that Roberts was concerned about Moore's pace and athleticism - and wanted to start in front of him to try and cut off some of the angles better. With Moore being around 200cms - and the way he takes the ball at the highest point, he would be incredibly difficult to spoil from behind. Playing in front of Moore, gives him the possibility of taking away Moore's ability to get a clear run and jump at the footy.

Now, Roberts - after 4 weeks of really good footy as a lock down defender - did not have a good night on Friday at all - BUT.
What didn't help was how open the Collingwood forward line was at times and how unchallenged their entries were. Moore is hugely talented - has a heap of weapons - and is going to be very hard to stop at any time that he gets the opportunity to get one on one's in an open forward 50. We didn't defend as a team as well this week as some previous weeks.

jeemak
14-08-2016, 11:14 PM
Agreed Ozza. They opened us up a few times going forward with a handball to a player almost dead centre of the ground (who had his back towards goal) and it allowed them different avenues deep forward that would have been very difficult to defend.

Twodogs
14-08-2016, 11:57 PM
Roberts isn't the only defender who's going to have a bad game on Moore over the next decade. He's just one of the first.

ledge
15-08-2016, 12:01 AM
I think it showed how valuable Morris is. He uses his body and knows exactly how to stop a good forward no Matter the height

GVGjr
15-08-2016, 01:52 AM
Roberts isn't the only defender who's going to have a bad game on Moore over the next decade. He's just one of the first.

Moore has already had a few good games against us. He must tick off on the calendar likes it's his birthday when we are scheduled to play them.

Twodogs
15-08-2016, 03:50 AM
Moore has already had a few good games against us. He must tick off on the calendar likes it's his birthday when we are scheduled to play them.


Just as long as we keep winning the game.

The Bulldogs Bite
15-08-2016, 12:11 PM
Moore has already had a few good games against us. He must tick off on the calendar likes it's his birthday when we are scheduled to play them.

Yep. Going into the game I said he'd dominate us.

Going to give us a lot of trouble (and many others) for years to come.

bornadog
15-08-2016, 05:17 PM
AFLCA Awards

WESTERN BULLDOGS v COLLINGWOOD

10 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Adam Treloar (Coll)
3 Luke Dahlhaus (WB)
3 Liam Picken (WB)
2 Brodie Grundy (Coll)
2 Darcy Moore (Coll)
1 Joel Hamling (WB)
1 Tyson Goldsack (Coll)

AFLCA LEADERBOARD

105 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
93 Rory Sloane (Adel)
88 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
88 Dustin Martin (Rich)
80 Luke Shuey (WCE)
77 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
77 Luke Parker (Syd)
77 Joel Selwood (Geel)
67 Tom Lynch (GC)
65 Sam Mitchell (Haw)

1eyedog
15-08-2016, 05:36 PM
AFLCA Awards

WESTERN BULLDOGS v COLLINGWOOD

10 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Adam Treloar (Coll)
3 Luke Dahlhaus (WB)
3 Liam Picken (WB)
2 Brodie Grundy (Coll)
2 Darcy Moore (Coll)
1 Joel Hamling (WB)
1 Tyson Goldsack (Coll)

AFLCA LEADERBOARD

105 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
93 Rory Sloane (Adel)
88 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
88 Dustin Martin (Rich)
80 Luke Shuey (WCE)
77 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
77 Luke Parker (Syd)
77 Joel Selwood (Geel)
67 Tom Lynch (GC)
65 Sam Mitchell (Haw)

elite, elite, elite

I'm tired of this future superstar crap. He is a superstar already!

bornadog
15-08-2016, 05:39 PM
elite, elite, elite

I'm tired of this future superstar crap. He is a superstar already!

He is a match winner. Can you remember any other Bulldog player who has been a match winner in the same way as The Bont. I certainly can't.

bulldogtragic
15-08-2016, 05:43 PM
Would be second if not for that piss ant Scott.

EasternWest
15-08-2016, 06:42 PM
Moore has already had a few good games against us. He must tick off on the calendar likes it's his birthday when we are scheduled to play them.

Aka the Hayesian Calendar.

I'm Not Bitter Anymore!
15-08-2016, 06:53 PM
I was going to say the Kennedy Calender

comrade
15-08-2016, 07:03 PM
Nice to see Hammer get some recognition.

LostDoggy
15-08-2016, 07:53 PM
AFLCA Awards

WESTERN BULLDOGS v COLLINGWOOD

10 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Adam Treloar (Coll)
3 Luke Dahlhaus (WB)
3 Liam Picken (WB)
2 Brodie Grundy (Coll)
2 Darcy Moore (Coll)
1 Joel Hamling (WB)
1 Tyson Goldsack (Coll)

AFLCA LEADERBOARD

105 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
93 Rory Sloane (Adel)
88 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
88 Dustin Martin (Rich)
80 Luke Shuey (WCE)
77 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
77 Luke Parker (Syd)
77 Joel Selwood (Geel)
67 Tom Lynch (GC)
65 Sam Mitchell (Haw)

At least Buckley knows when he's seen a superstar strut his stuff.
Unlike that Putrid KnobEnd Scott!!!!!

LostDoggy
15-08-2016, 07:54 PM
Nice to see Hammer get some recognition.

Hammer getting some Bevo love ;)