Player contracts

[GVGjr]

How many players do you think we have that currently don't have a contract for next season?

I'm sure it's happened before but I can't recall in recent years having so many 'wanted' players on the list with question marks on if they will be at the club next season.

What originally shaped as some minor changes (3 or 4) to the playing list a month or two back potentially now looks like genuine re-gig.

I suspect we will be very active trading players and picks at the end of the season.

[Go_Dogs]

Interesting one.

Quite a few of our uncontracted players have had injury interrupted seasons, so I can understand them wanting to hold out for our best offer and test the waters at other clubs, too.

I'm not convinced we need to make a large number of changes, however if we can get some early picks, turning over 4-6 players would be a solid outcome. I guess we will learn more early October.

[Mantis]

I'm sure if they were really wanted they would be already signed up.

I've been pretty strong in thinking we need to turn the list over a bit so not surprised the likes of Hrovat, Jong, Stevens, etc.. are still in contract limbo.

[comrade]

If they were wanted, they'd be signed.

[LongWait]

We have to find at least four places on the main list - three compulsory draft/rookie upgrade selections and a spot for Cloke. I suspect we are loath to bend too much in our offers (or even make an offer in some cases) until our season is done and we get a better feel as to who else, other than Cloke, might be available.

Just because a player hasn't signed a contract doesn't mean that we should assume that the club doesn't want the player - for example, I'm sure we'd rather keep Jong if we can but not at the cost of $550k over three years.

[bornadog]

We have to find at least four places on the main list - three compulsory draft/rookie upgrade selections and a spot for Cloke. I suspect we are loath to bend too much in our offers (or even make an offer in some cases) until our season is done and we get a better feel as to who else, other than Cloke, might be available.

Just because a player hasn't signed a contract doesn't mean that we should assume that the club doesn't want the player - for example, I'm sure we'd rather keep Jong if we can but not at the cost of $550k over three years.

Welcome back.

[westdog54]

We have to find at least four places on the main list - three compulsory draft/rookie upgrade selections and a spot for Cloke. I suspect we are loath to bend too much in our offers (or even make an offer in some cases) until our season is done and we get a better feel as to who else, other than Cloke, might be available.

Just because a player hasn't signed a contract doesn't mean that we should assume that the club doesn't want the player - for example, I'm sure we'd rather keep Jong if we can but not at the cost of $550k over three years.

I would think at this stage:

- We'd want at least three live picks in the draft
- We need a spot for Cloke
- Roarke Smith is a reasonable chance to be elevated.

Is Prudden a chance to be Rookied? He is out of contract. Other than him I'm struggling to see who we delist from the senior list. Maybe Roberts?

[The Pie Man]

By adding Cloke we're clearly shooting for the flag in the next 2 years - obvious, I know - though it informs some of the list management direction it appears we're taking (both list & cap room clearing)

Dalrymple has also displayed a knack for drafting kids with the capacity to contribute early in their careers (see J Dunkley 2016)

What was the quote a few years ago....draft best available, then trade for needs?

[1eyedog]

I'm sure if they were really wanted they would be already signed up.

I've been pretty strong in thinking we need to turn the list over a bit so not surprised the likes of Hrovat, Jong, Stevens, etc.. are still in contract limbo.

Is it as simple as this though? Boyd's asking for a second year, we are rightfully set on one, because he hasn't agreed to this doesn't mean he's not wanted. Same as judging a player's worth. Jong clearly wants to stay, we want Jong to stay, Collingwood are offering more money and probably a longer contract, just because we are keeping our powder dry doesn't mean he isn't wanted.

Just because you as a club think a particular player is best 22 doesn't mean you can / should pay overs to keep them when the heat is turned up by other clubs, unless of course it is your absolute A graders.

[Mantis]

Is it as simple as this though? Boyd's asking for a second year, we are rightfully set on one, because he hasn't agreed to this doesn't mean he's not wanted. Same as judging a player's worth. Jong clearly wants to stay, we want Jong to stay, Collingwood are offering more money and probably a longer contract, just because we are keeping our powder dry doesn't mean he isn't wanted.

Just because you as a club think a particular player is best 22 doesn't mean you can / should pay overs to keep them when the heat is turned up by other clubs, unless of course it is your absolute A graders.

I guess the point I was making was that if they were absolutely critical to our needs they would be signed.. Agreed that for players on the periphery or getting towards the end it's best to wait until terms can be reached.

[Bulldog4life]

I think Hamling is unsigned too

[bulldogsthru&thru]

It's interesting. We have a large number of players out of contract this late in the season. I think it will be a very busy trade period, hopefully for the better. Out of contract players i have listed below (i believe they are OOC) and what i think we should do/may happen (my opinion only):

M Boyd - Re-sign for 1 yr
R Smith - Promote of rookie list
J Prudden - Delist/Re-sign (unfortunately/we may need him for midfield depth if others (e.g. Stevens, Hrovat, Honey) are traded)
J Hamling - Re-sign
L Jong - Re-sign (but probably traded to GC or Pies)
C Smith - Re-sign
W Minson - retired/free agency (although Bevo has said he has a future with us beyond this year)
K Stevens - Trade (should get a bit for him i think and is surplus to needs)
N Hrovat - Re-sign (need some skillful mids)
T Campbell - Re-sign (This is an interesting one as we desperately need ruckman. Not sure why he hasn't been locked up so expecting some movement here)
J Adcock - retired
B Lynch - Promote of rookie list/re-rookie

Also, Honeychurch under contract but likely trade material from attracting a bit of interest and he can't break into our side with playing fairly solid games at the VFL level

So that's 12 players OOC with potentially 7 players moving on after this season. Could be more, could be less. Most of the players are depth players which are critical to our flag chances. But can't begrudge them if they have better offers elsewhere and can't begrudge the club for moving them on if the offers are just too much to match. This applies mostly to Stevens, Honey, Jong and Hrovat. Either way it's shaping as a critical offseason for us.

[Axe Man]

The problem with your suggestions is the numbers just don't work. As I understand it you've only moved Prudden, Minson, Stevens and Honeychurch from the primary list but promoted Roarke Smith and Lynch? We need to take at least 3 picks to the draft and also make room for any trades in (eg Cloke).

I see no need to promote Roarke or Lynch, both can spend another year on the rookie list unless we find ourselves trading out a large number of players and need to fill spots.

[Throughandthrough]

, I'm sure we'd rather keep Jong if we can but not at the cost of $550k over three years.


$550K/3 = $183K PA, surely he's getting more than that

[ledge]

Isn't their a problem with the salary cap this year , the AFL still hasn't said what it is for next year so clubs are waiting for the decision to be made on how much it goes up ? So then they know what they have to offer

[LongWait]

I would think at this stage:

- We'd want at least three live picks in the draft
- We need a spot for Cloke
- Roarke Smith is a reasonable chance to be elevated.

Is Prudden a chance to be Rookied? He is out of contract. Other than him I'm struggling to see who we delist from the senior list. Maybe Roberts?

I don't think that we'll have a major problem finding at least four spots.

It appears that both Jong and Stevens want deals that are well beyond our walk away point, so there are two possible spots. Campbell and Minson are dinosaurs in the context of our game plan, so at least one is likely to move/retire. Honeychurch and Hrovat are looking for better opportunities it seems and are strong possibilities to leave.

So there are five or six potential senior list vacancies without having to shoot Bambi. I'm expecting Hamling and perhaps Smith will get a two year deals and Boyd will get one.

[LongWait]

$550K/3 = $183K PA, surely he's getting more than that

My poor choice of words there - $550k for each of three years, or $1.65M over three years, is what some have claimed Jong wants. Sorry for the confusion.

[azabob]

Emotions aside would we prefer Lin Jong or Clay Smith?

[G-Mo77]

Emotions aside would we prefer Lin Jong or Clay Smith?

Jong.

[azabob]

I'm also leaning towards Jong.

[Throughandthrough]

My poor choice of words there - $550k for each of three years, or $1.65M over three years, is what some have claimed Jong wants. Sorry for the confusion.


Thanks. That's way over.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Would we prefer Jong to a Clay Smith who has had no knee recos?

[1eyedog]

Emotions aside would we prefer Lin Jong or Clay Smith?

I don't know. Probably the former given his ability overhead and pace.

[Doc26]

Emotions aside would we prefer Lin Jong or Clay Smith?

Certainly Lin Jong.

[soupman]

My poor choice of words there - $550k for each of three years, or $1.65M over three years, is what some have claimed Jong wants. Sorry for the confusion.

And is complete bullshit.

No way known is he asking or expecting that much.

[chef]

Bit early to be judging Clay as he hasnt had a preseason.

I'd hope to keep both though.

[westdog54]

Emotions aside would we prefer Lin Jong or Clay Smith?

Will go against the grain and say Smith.

[hujsh]

Smith seems like a more natural footballer while Jong's the athlete. Jong has more experience/development but that might mean Smith has more improvement left in him. Neither has great disposal. Bit of a toss up.

[always right]

My poor choice of words there - $550k for each of three years, or $1.65M over three years, is what some have claimed Jong wants. Sorry for the confusion.

Who has claimed this? I'd be surprised if he is seeking anymore than $300k. I'm calling bullshit.

[Ozza]

On my re-watch of the elimination final, Clay had a very good game. He is developing into our Puopolo equivalent. I still have some doubts on his game, but I think Clay will be the better player overall between him and Jong.

Jongy does have that pace and overhead ability - but I have my doubts that he will ever have the clean hands at ground level, or the decision making nous to excel in our midfield - when you consider that we have Bont, Macrae, Libba, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Hunter, Daniel, Dunkley, Webb as our primary mids for the next 8-10 years - its hard to see Jong as forcing his way in when we have all or most up and going. Whereas Clay can legitimately play as that small harassing/defensive forward who is capable of kicking goals at forward stoppages or at the feet of the talls. Or also to shut down an assertive half back.

I think we will need Clay's skill set more than Jong's.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

I don't think that we'll have a major problem finding at least four spots.

It appears that both Jong and Stevens want deals that are well beyond our walk away point, so there are two possible spots. Campbell and Minson are dinosaurs in the context of our game plan, so at least one is likely to move/retire. Honeychurch and Hrovat are looking for better opportunities it seems and are strong possibilities to leave.

If Will is out of contract it's got to be stumps for him. Campbell actually played some good football before he was injured. Plus Roughy is always a bit dodgy injury wise.

So there are five or six potential senior list vacancies without having to shoot Bambi. I'm expecting Hamling and perhaps Smith will get a two year deals and Boyd will get one.

If Will is out of contract it's got to be stumps for him. Campbell actually played some good football before he was injured. Plus Roughy is always a bit dodgy injury wise.

[LongWait]

If Will is out of contract it's got to be stumps for him. Campbell actually played some good football before he was injured. Plus Roughy is always a bit dodgy injury wise.

We already have wayyyy too much of our salary cap committed to ruckman/forwards. We can't do anything now about Boyd's contract, but I suspect for list balance we don't want to continue paying a lot of money to ruckmen who aren't in our senior side. If Campbell wants too much money I think we would move him on, as he doesn't really suit our game style anyway.

[LongWait]

https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/775994664037945346

Tweet from The Trade Whisperer claiming that Tom Campbell unlikely to be at the Dogs next year.

[bornadog]

https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/775994664037945346

Tweet from The Trade Whisperer claiming that Tom Campbell unlikely to be at the Dogs next year.

Not happy with that.

[bulldogtragic]

https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/775994664037945346

Tweet from The Trade Whisperer claiming that Tom Campbell unlikely to be at the Dogs next year.

Interesting. He's a part of dynamic duo who were getting plenty of media love before he got injured, and now would want out of that and the club (of whom he captained in a preseason game). Won't hold too much trade value I fear also.

[LostDoggy]

I'd be pissed if we lost Campbell.

[bulldogtragic]

This is from afl.com.au possibly via BF...

Who’s gone?
Jed Adcock - retired
Luke Goetz - delisted

Who’s nervous?
Veteran ruckman Will Minson looks destined to be delisted or retire after the 2013 All Australian has been largely out of favour under Luke Beveridge. Fellow big man Tom Campbell is out of contract and has only played 35 games in five seasons at the club. Creative midfielder Nathan Hrovat remains unsigned, but the 22-year-old is more likely to find a new home through a trade if he doesn't remain at the Dogs. Injury-prone utility Josh Prudden hasn't really had a run at it since he arrived at Whitten Oval in 2013, with a knee reconstruction the latest setback. Fresh off a third All Australian jumper, veteran Matthew Boyd's future remains in limbo with contract negotiations dragging on, but surely the Dogs will see sense and offer the loyal servant another season for his outstanding form this year. If Prudden and Campbell are dropped off the senior list, both could find themselves re-drafted as rookies.

Who’s worth a look?
Campbell has shown he can hold his own against the best big men in the League, and he also has the ability to take a contested mark up forward. Hrovat, the former Vic Metro captain, has played some good footy as a high half-forward this year. - Ryan Davidson

[azabob]

I'd be pissed if we lost Campbell.

Why?

[LostDoggy]

So if we lose Campbell, we'll have gone from 4 specialist Ruckmen on our list at the start of the year to 1 at the end. Presumably we'll be recruiting at least 2. Given the stocks seemingly available, they will be at around Campbell's level or a little lower (unless we have a big surprise in store).

[Sedat]

Emotions aside would we prefer Lin Jong or Clay Smith?
I've said previously that Jong is the most fascinating player on our list - a midfielder that averages so few possessions as he does should really be culled but then he has some fantastic physical attributes that seem to grow in stature in finals footy. If he can be traded for optimum value to a Gold Coast, I wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity for more consistent game time and a better pay packet (550k a season is ludicrous so all power to him if he can get it).

Smith has shown this season to have a natural aptitude for goal-scoring and getting into dangerous areas in the forward 50. It is a precious commodity (Dunkley also has it) to have in the modern game.

[Sedat]

So if we lose Campbell, we'll have gone from 4 specialist Ruckmen on our list at the start of the year to 1 at the end. Presumably we'll be recruiting at least 2. Given the stocks seemingly available, they will be at around Campbell's level or a little lower (unless we have a big surprise in store).
Goldstein? Norf going overnight from contender to rebuild mode might give Goldy some pause for thought - he is 28yo and most likely won't be around when Norf are next in top 4 calculations.

Would he or we consider it? We do need our ruck stocks to be replenished quite urgently, especially if Campbell leaves the club.

[1eyedog]

I think Hamling is unsigned too

Critical player in my view

[G-Mo77]

https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/775994664037945346

Tweet from The Trade Whisperer claiming that Tom Campbell unlikely to be at the Dogs next year.

I don't put much merit in random twitter ir Facebook accounts. He still remains unsigned though maybe he is exploring his options. I'd be disappointed if we lost him.

[1eyedog]

I've said previously that Jong is the most fascinating player on our list - a midfielder that averages so few possessions as he does should really be culled but then he has some fantastic physical attributes that seem to grow in stature in finals footy. If he can be traded for optimum value to a Gold Coast, I wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity for more consistent game time and a better pay packet (550k a season is ludicrous so all power to him if he can get it).

Smith has shown this season to have a natural aptitude for goal-scoring and getting into dangerous areas in the forward 50. It is a precious commodity (Dunkley also has it) to have in the modern game.

Smith reads the play so much better than Jong as well - a natural footballer. His lines in our forward 50 from a defensive perspective are elite. He understands where the ball is going on a consistent basis and closes the gap on his opponent in the blink of an eye. It's why he's such a good defensive forward and also the reason why he's able to consistently hit the scoreboard.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Tom Campbell has signed a 2 yr deal with us

[G-Mo77]

Tom Campbell has signed a 2 yr deal with us

Just read that. Great news. I didn't want to lose him.

[SlimPickens]

Tom Campbell has signed a 2 yr deal with us

But wait a rumour said he was leaving?

Important signing and very glad it is done. Had a very good start to the year and will be important for us, for many a year.

[Ghost Dog]

Tom Campbell has signed a 2 yr deal with us

Excellent news! Huge fan of the Tommy, just keeps getting better.

[comrade]

Much prefer to keep TC than trade for a discard or fringe ruck at another club.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Very happy with this.

I really rate TC and it makes getting somebody like Cloke a forward step.

[bulldogtragic]

Great, that only leaves players with an AFL future Koby, Hamling, Jong, Hrovat & Smith outstanding (Boyd will sign). Two to go you'd imagine.

Long live Camhead!

[Mantis]

BT,

Is Hamling contracted for 2017?

[Axe Man]

BT,

Is Hamling contracted for 2017?

I don't believe so, also MBoyd, Prudden, Minson and the rookies are unsigned.

[1eyedog]

I've gone from not being concerned about Hamling to being quite concerned. This is the second time he's proved us wrong re. whether he's going to make it and his signing, while not absolutely critical given the signs of a developing Zaine Cordy, is still highly desirable.

[Mofra]

BT,

Is Hamling contracted for 2017?
Freo BF board seem to think they're chasing him hard.

WA boy, they have picks (although being linked to cam McCarthy makes me wonder what they'll be left with) and will probably trade out a couple of older players too.

[bulldogtragic]

BT,

Is Hamling contracted for 2017?

I knew I was forgetting someone! My bad.

[bulldogtragic]

Freo BF board seem to think they're chasing him hard.

WA boy, they have picks (although being linked to cam McCarthy makes me wonder what they'll be left with) and will probably trade out a couple of older players too.

What's he worth though (trade wise)?

[Bulldog4life]

Freo BF board seem to think they're chasing him hard.

WA boy, they have picks (although being linked to cam McCarthy makes me wonder what they'll be left with) and will probably trade out a couple of older players too.

I just heard from a very reliable source that Hamling will be at Freo next year, This was according to a relative of Hamling.

[bulldogtragic]

I just heard from a very reliable source that Hamling will be at Freo next year, This was according to a relative of Hamling.

I guess he's gone then. We can't rely on Roberts alone. Nathan Brown at Collingwood looks like a target then. Or enter a three club trade Ballantyne to WCE, Hamling to Freo and McKenzie to the dogs (with us adding something else in).

[Bulldog4life]

I guess he's gone then. We can't rely on Roberts alone. Nathan Brown at Collingwood looks like a target then. Or enter a three club trade Ballantyne to WCE, Hamling to Freo and McKenzie to the dogs (with us adding something else in).

Disappointing if he goes. He has a lot of upside still. Being a WA boy doesn't help our cause.

[bulldogtragic]

Disappointing if he goes. He has a lot of upside still. Being a WA boy doesn't help our cause.

Yep, but if that's the case then we need to get the best return possible. If we can work into the Balltyne trade to get a tall defender, probably McKenzie is only really gettable, then that's not too bad a result.

Balltyne 30 next year
McKenzie 29 next year (proficient in a similar zone defence, and big body one on one defender)
Hamling 24 next year

Nathan Brown 28 next year (free agent)

Alternatively, can we get into the Cam McCarthy trade to Freo get Marchbank?

[Axe Man]

I just heard from a very reliable source that Hamling will be at Freo next year, This was according to a relative of Hamling.

I will be very disappointed if we lose Hamling because we gave games to Roberts over him when most of us thought Hamling was the better player. Freo must be offering a bucket load of cash for Joel to walk away from the dogs when he's a good chance to cement a key defender position next year.

Also Hamling is from Broome isn't he? Still along way from Perth. A bit like Harbrow going 'home' to the Gold Coast.

[Mantis]

I guess he's gone then. We can't rely on Roberts alone. Nathan Brown at Collingwood looks like a target then. Or enter a three club trade Ballantyne to WCE, Hamling to Freo and McKenzie to the dogs (with us adding something else in).

We can't rely on him at all.. He would be on my trade out list.

[bulldogtragic]

We can't rely on him at all.. He would be on my trade out list.

Agreed. But we need someone to replace two tall defenders if he and Hamling are gone and we are then down two tall defenders. So for the second part of my comment, we can get McKenzie or Brown then I'd be more than happy to trade him.

[hujsh]

Well a fit Adams will help fill one of those holes I guess. And Cordy can take his rightful spot in defense once Cloke comes one would assume. That leaves Collins and Roberts (assuming he stays too) as backup/alternatives.

May be worth having some other cover considering Collins is quite raw and Adams has not been durable thus far.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Yep, but if that's the case then we need to get the best return possible. If we can work into the Balltyne trade to get a tall defender, probably McKenzie is only really gettable, then that's not too bad a result.

Balltyne 30 next year
McKenzie 29 next year (proficient in a similar zone defence, and big body one on one defender)
Hamling 24 next year

Nathan Brown 28 next year (free agent)

Alternatively, can we get into the Cam McCarthy trade to Freo get Marchbank?

Marchbank has nominated carlton

[Mofra]

Well a fit Adams will help fill one of those holes I guess. And Cordy can take his rightful spot in defense once Cloke comes one would assume. That leaves Collins and Roberts (assuming he stays too) as backup/alternatives.
I'm worried that Adams gets back at all.
Matty Egan prematurely retired with a foot injury, and didn't a 19-20 year old kid called Cavka retire with something similar too? Highly rated draftee.

[Topdog]

Much like Campbell was gone yesterday lets not write off Hamling yet. He is starting in a final tonight and if we make it through will be in a prelim. May not want to leave.

[Remi Moses]

I'm worried that Adams gets back at all.
Matty Egan prematurely retired with a foot injury, and didn't a 19-20 year old kid called Cavka retire with something similar too? Highly rated draftee.

Wasn't Egan a navicular bone ?

[1eyedog]

What's he worth though (trade wise)?

A whole more more in 2 years than he is now. Bugger.

[bulldogtragic]

Marchbank has nominated carlton

GWS lite in deed.

[bornadog]

Marchbank has nominated carlton

This is getting ridiculous to say the least, players nominating where they want to go.

Carlton can have another dud GWS player for all I care.

[Remi Moses]

Carlton Neafl Giants . For a bloke lauded by Carlton , he sure drafted some failures

[comrade]

Carlton Neafl Giants . For a bloke lauded by Carlton , he sure drafted some failures

And now he gets to recruit them all over again!

[bulldogtragic]

And now he gets to recruit them all over again!

You know what they say;

Fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice, Carlton fail it's rebuild.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

The right move by the club in securing big Tom..

Would like them to keep Hamling as he shows good signs and is only 24.

[NoseBleed]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-17/veteran-bulldog-boyd-will-play-on-next-year-confirms-beveridge

[FrediKanoute]

Jong.

No, Clay for mine. Natural footballer

[boydogs]

Hamling's a player, would be a shame to lose him but I can see Freo under Ross Lyon overpaying for ready made talls

[westdog54]

Surely the last two weeks overwhelmingly stamps Clay Smith's value.

Along with Dunkley, finals has brought out the beast in him.

And that's not a typo.

[bornadog]

Emotions aside would we prefer Lin Jong or Clay Smith?

Clay Smith. 10 tackles and a couple of goals last night, showed his worth. Jong is too inconsistent and decision making is appalling.

[LostDoggy]

Clay Smith. 10 tackles and a couple of goals last night, showed his worth. Jong is too inconsistent and decision making is appalling.

This.

[bulldogtragic]

Clay Smith said just now about his contract status (with a huge smile): "Safe to say I will be at the Bulldogs next year. Just finalising things and hopefully done very shortly".

[Remi Moses]

Clay over Lin every day of the week .
Better decision maker and despite the awkward kicking style, he's a decent kick .
Lin's marking and explosive pace are a positive, but he's turnovers and poor options hold him back .

[Raw Toast]

I'd like to keep both of them actually :)

[Topdog]

2017 salary cap still not finalised by AFEL, I'm sure that's causing havoc for some clubs

[hujsh]

2017 salary cap still not finalised by AFEL, I'm sure that's causing havoc for some clubs
It's crazy. They need to get their shit together.

[bulldogtragic]

2017 salary cap still not finalised by AFEL, I'm sure that's causing havoc for some clubs

I was reading one of the WCE guns, Gaff maybe, is waiting to re-sign until he knows the rise. He will re-sign apparently, but the dollars and unknown rise means he won't until it's signed off.

[westdog54]

It's a weird situation.

There will be a lot of contacts already in place that would depend on some skirt of rise in TPP.

They're will be some tense negotiations between AFEL and AFLPA over the next few weeks.

[Twodogs]

Shouldn't that be the AFELPA?

[westdog54]

I figure the players themselves see themselves as footballers.

[bulldogtragic]

Surely a few blokes must be reassessing leaving a 2016 Grand Finalist, & possible Premier.

[The Underdog]

Sign Hamling NOWWW!!!!!!

[LostDoggy]

clay smith said just now about his contract status (with a huge smile): "safe to say i will be at the bulldogs next year. Just finalising things and hopefully done very shortly".

is this final yet?!?!?!?!

[bulldogtragic]

is this final yet?!?!?!?!

I hope so, other clubs may be throwing some years & cash at him now!

[ledge]

Clay won't be going anywhere he and his family absolutely adore this club. He is one of those loyal kind of guys. This club means more than money to him.

[LostDoggy]

Clay won't be going anywhere he and his family absolutely adore this club. He is one of those loyal kind of guys. This club means more than money to him.

God I hope you're right.

[bulldogtragic]

If Lin doesn't accept our new two year offer, his trade value is about as high as it's ever been. Huge game from, and two weeks after his broken collarbone.

[ledge]

If Lin doesn't accept our new two year offer, his trade value is about as high as it's ever been. Huge game from, and two weeks after his broken collarbone.

Talking to his mum she says he is staying.

[bulldogtragic]

Talking to his mum she says he is staying.

Well that's a good as source as any! :D

[bornadog]

Well that's a good as source as any! :D

Taiwanese mums rule the household;)

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Taiwanese mums rule the household;)

They do in mine! My son and daughter might hthink they have me twisted round their little finger.. but they don't get much past their Mum.

[bornadog]

They do in mine! My son and daughter might hthink they have me twisted round their little finger.. but they don't get much past their Mum.

I lived in Taiwan for 5 years, and know a bit about the culture.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I lived in Taiwan for 5 years, and know a bit about the culture.

Yeah one of the main, selfish, reasons my wife and I want Lin Jong to stay at the Dogs is because she is from Taiwan..and loves the Dogs and thought it was so cool that the first person to play AFL with Taiwanese heritage was with the team she is a member of. Our 3 and a half year old son, loves telling everyone that 'Lin Jong is half Taiwanese, just like me!'

[EasternWest]

Just read on Twitter Hamling has said he's staying put.

He's really hit his straps after not looking like a footballer for most of the year. I'm glad he's staying. Clearly a confidence player, but got a lot to work with.

[bulldogtragic]

Just read on Twitter Hamling has said he's staying put.

He's really hit his straps after not looking like a footballer for most of the year. I'm glad he's staying. Clearly a confidence player, but got a lot to work with.

Is that from Joel himself?

[EasternWest]

Is that from Joel himself?

The tweet said something like "Hamling has told Fairfax" I'll see if I can link it.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1372505496100403

Did that work?

[bulldogtragic]

Hamling, Smith & Boyd (maybe Jong) all playing on! Great news. I hope they make it official during the week and snowball the love and momentum.

Only really Hrovat now as I assume Koby is going if he hasn't signed by now.

[AndrewP6]

The tweet said something like "Hamling has told Fairfax" I'll see if I can link it.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1372505496100403

Did that work?

Yep it did. Good news!

[lemmon]

Just read on Twitter Hamling has said he's staying put.

He's really hit his straps after not looking like a footballer for most of the year. I'm glad he's staying. Clearly a confidence player, but got a lot to work with.

"CONTRACT NEWS
Western Bulldogs Defender Joel Hamling has told Fairfax he will Re-Sign with the Club, As we told you last week it is expected he will sign a 2 Year Deal.
"Yeah, I'll be at the Bulldogs next year," Hamling said going on to say "Hopefully I can sign on for a few more years."

From the Bulldogs Online Facebook page

[EasternWest]

The Age: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-grand-final-2016-joel-hamling-says-hes-staying-at-western-bulldogs-20160926-groyyg.html

[EasternWest]

"CONTRACT NEWS
Western Bulldogs Defender Joel Hamling has told Fairfax he will Re-Sign with the Club, As we told you last week it is expected he will sign a 2 Year Deal.
"Yeah, I'll be at the Bulldogs next year," Hamling said going on to say "Hopefully I can sign on for a few more years."

From the Bulldogs Online Facebook page

Thanks lemmon.

[Mantis]

I wonder if we win if Matty Boyd might pull up stumps? Nice way to go out.

Good news about Hamling, can see him developing into a real handy player.

[KT31]

Great news, smart lad - why would anyone want to leave ?

[FrediKanoute]

Good news re Hamling. That said, does he have a place if Adams comes back and Collins develops?

[Twodogs]

Good news re Hamling. That said, does he have a place if Adams comes back and Collins develops?


He's pretty versatile. He played on Kennedy week one of the finals and spent time on Cyril in week two.

[LostDoggy]

Good news re Hamling. That said, does he have a place if Adams comes back and Collins develops?

The way he's developing, he's probably the closest we've got to play the Morris role (huge shoes I know).

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Fantastic news..now for Lin to put pen to paper!

[hujsh]

Hamling, Smith & Boyd (maybe Jong) all playing on! Great news. I hope they make it official during the week and snowball the love and momentum.

Only really Hrovat now as I assume Koby is going if he hasn't signed by now.

Koby's the one I'm most happy to lose and he'll hopefully have some currency with people seeing he had a few 3 vote games at the Brownlow, played in a VFL premiership, can't crack a game with the grand finalists etc. Need GC interested to rule out the pre-season draft though.

[bulldogtragic]

Good news re Hamling. That said, does he have a place if Adams comes back and Collins develops?

Yep, competition for spots should be ferocious. Morris may only have another year, so next year is good that Collins can get in on form and not because we have to. Longer term Collins plays on the gorilla forward, and we've got Cordy, Hamling & Adams with Wood (maybe Roberts?) about the place. That's a very agile, tall and very athletic tall defence with great rebounding runners around them. It's a very modern looking defence in terms of their attributes.

[bornadog]

I wonder if we win if Matty Boyd might pull up stumps? Nice way to go out.

.

From AFL.com.au


Boyd, 34, remains uncontracted beyond 2016 despite making this year's All Australian team, having agreed to delay talks onm a new deal until after the finals.

Asked whether he would consider retiring if the Bulldogs win Saturday's Grand Final against the Sydney Swans, Boyd was non-committal.


"If we have a win this week I don't think I'll be thinking much about what's going on next week or next year," Boyd said.


"I think I'll just enjoy savouring the moment, but it's not a bad way to go out if you do go out winning a premiership."

[bulldogtragic]

Just like Shane Crawford said in 2008. This is the Bulldogs 2008 like story.

[choconmientay]

AFL reported Jongy weighing up his option. Link (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-30/dogs-midfielder-lin-jong-still-weighing-up-all-his-options-). Quite sad in a way but you can't keep them all.

[LostDoggy]

AFL reported Jongy weighing up his option. Link (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-30/dogs-midfielder-lin-jong-still-weighing-up-all-his-options-). Quite sad in a way but you can't keep them all.

He'd probably still actually be in the side if he didn't get injured, so I can see why he'd be upset about it but like I don't see it as something that would push him to leave. Its just bad luck?

[GVGjr]

AFL reported Jongy weighing up his option. Link (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-30/dogs-midfielder-lin-jong-still-weighing-up-all-his-options-). Quite sad in a way but you can't keep them all.

Very true. I hope we can keep him but I'd understand why he might consider other offers. I've had a good discussion with a mate today who thinks Jong should have been selected in front of McLean because he offers more in the midfield but then we should also trade him because at full strength he wouldn't quite make our best 22.

[choconmientay]

Very true. I hope we can keep him but I'd understand why he might consider other offers. I've had a good discussion with a mate today who thinks Jong should have been selected in front of McLean because he offers more in the midfield but then we should also trade him because at full strength he wouldn't quite make our best 22.

McLean last 5 minutes in the prelim was huge and didn't deserve to be dropped. He could get out of the congestion, draw a free-kick and use the ball much better than Jong.

Next year, with Murph, Wallis, Adam coming back, Webb, Williams and to some extend Lynch to push for a spot after a huge preseason, Cloke to come in and push someone (Smith, Dunkley) into the mid-field, Jong won't be in the best 22. He is much wiser to take the best offer now. It would also work out for us seeing him just won the Norm Goss Medal and increased his currency for the trade period..

[bulldogtragic]

McLean last 5 minutes in the prelim was huge and didn't deserved to be dropped. He could get out of the congestion, draw a free-kick and use the ball much better than Jong.

Next year, with Murph, Wallis, Adam coming back, Webb, Williams and to some extend Lynch to push for a spot after a huge preseason, Cloke to come in and push someone (Smith, Dunkley) into the mid-field, Jong won't be in the best 22. He is much wiser to take the best offer now. It would also work out for us seeing him just won the Norm Goss Medal and increased his currency for the trade period..

And Crameri too. To be unemotional, with him winning the BOG in a VFL GF with a bung collarbone his trade value has never been higher. So if he's going to leave, best be now.

[choconmientay]

And Crameri too. To be unemotional, with him winning the BOG in a VFL GF with a bung collarbone his trade value has never been higher. So if he's going to leave, best be now.

Dohhh, How could I forget Cramer :) I fine myself another Johnny Walker :)

[ledge]

Just shows how strong our list is .. We can trade a few mids we have in abundance and target what we need . What we need I couldn't tell you though.
I had this idea when Crameri comes back .. Boyd to FF and the Bont at CHF.. That's scary.. Crameri roaming and running through the middle .. He has a huge tank. Or Cloke to FF and Boyd does the ruck changing into the forward line with Bont. It's a very good dilemma we have .. All our team is so versatile

[bornadog]

According to Trade Radio, Clay will be signed up soon.

[LostDoggy]

Mate of mine just texted me and said the Clokey deal would be signed sealed delivered by next Monday.
No sauce from him but he is a Richmond supporter so take with a grain of salt?:rolleyes:

[bulldogtragic]

According to Trade Radio, Clay will be signed up soon.

A comment from Marty Pask on the news said he will be extending his contract at the club, everyone agreed to see how his body held up.

[kruder]

Sounds like its good news on Jongy. Macca said they had some positive talks a few weeks ago by his tone he sounded confident on trade radio.

[bulldogtragic]

Campbell, Hamilton & Jong locked away. Smith & Hamling (Honey too, although he's under contract) have publicly committed to staying.

By my count that leaves Prudden, Koby and Rat, with Matty Boyd potentially retiring.

We need a minimum 4 changes (I'd prefer 5). Minson and three or four others. My guess is Prudden & Koby. Then either one or both of Hrovat & Boyd.

Unless Hamling is a part of the Fyffe trade.

[bornadog]

Unless Hamling is a part of the Fyffe trade.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk

[G-Mo77]

Campbell, Hamilton & Jong locked away. Smith & Hamling (Honey too, although he's under contract) have publicly committed to staying.

By my count that leaves Prudden, Koby and Rat, with Matty Boyd potentially retiring.

We need a minimum 4 changes (I'd prefer 5). Minson and three or four others. My guess is Prudden & Koby. Then either one or both of Hrovat & Boyd.

Unless Hamling is a part of the Fyffe trade.

I think we'll lose Hamling.

My guess

Outs: Hamling, Minson, Kobe, Prudden (Rookie) and Hrovat (Boyd?)
Ins: Cloke

[Remi Moses]

Must keep hamling

[Hotdog60]

Clay has signed a one extension. I think it must be a caution time frame because of the knees.

[Webby]

Hamling is clearly a good player now and it would be a real shame to see him go. I suppose if you win a flag, your players are up on a platform and it's hard to keep them. I suppose what goes around comes around. Suckling is a good example.

Just on Suckling, he was obviously not in our best 22 come the pointy end. Hamling obviously was. If we had a choice of keeping Hamling or Suckling, I think we'd choose Hamling.

Obviously that's not possible, but I think this is a good example of why we need to back our own guys' potential and back them contractually.

Hamling could be a multiple premiership player for us. It'll be a damn shame if he leaves.

[Sedat]

Just on Suckling, he was obviously not in our best 22 come the pointy end. Hamling obviously was. If we had a choice of keeping Hamling or Suckling, I think we'd choose Hamling.
I reckon Suckling is clearly best 22 for the Dogs when fully fit - he is the ideal prototype utility player for the modern game. Hard to put your best foot forward when you're managing a chronic Achilles for the last 3 months of the season.

Hamling would be a loss no doubt, but if he is committed to moving back to WA we need to maximise the situation. Different players but we do have Cordy, Adams and Collins coming through and developing in key defensive posts for the future.

[bulldogtragic]

I reckon Suckling is clearly best 22 for the Dogs when fully fit - he is the ideal prototype utility player for the modern game. Hard to put your best foot forward when you're managing a chronic Achilles for the last 3 months of the season.

Hamling would be a loss no doubt, but if he is committed to moving back to WA we need to maximise the situation. Different players but we do have Cordy, Adams and Collins coming through and developing in key defensive posts for the future.

Yep, I think the last half of the year when he was struggling badly with the Achilles might have a few questioning him. Before his injury he was very easily best 22 and a valuable role player with a great skill set. His recruitment was a big win and I don't think he's in any way connected to Hamling staying or going. If he goes our talls are Morris, Roberts, Cordy, Adams & Collins and that if we don't try to replace him with Eric McKenzie or Nathan Brown. Hopefully he stays, but if it's genuine hardship, then hopefully we get a good trade.

[Raw Toast]

Would have liked a 2 year deal for Smith, but hopefully if next year goes well for him then we can get a longer-term deal. Fantastic to have Jong remain, and I'd like the same for Hrovat and Stevens (in that order) - we will have three draft picks anyway, remain very young, and those are more than decent depth players who could force their way into the 22 without injuries. That said, if they want to move that is understandable and I'll wish them well (except against us).

Don't quite get the pessimism re Hamling - less than two weeks ago he said he was expecting to re-sign with us (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-grand-final-2016-joel-hamling-says-hes-staying-at-western-bulldogs-20160926-groyyg.html) and I haven't read anything that goes against that, but maybe I've been out of the loop on that one.

I do see Hamling as a pretty significant priority - his finals series was very impressive (apart from a couple of moments against GWS), and the AFL stats had him at 14 1%ers in the grand final, more than double any of our other players (though the stats might be underselling Morris), and 5 better than the best Swan in this category (Rampe). In addition, the reports from the Swans are that Buddy actually wasn't that hampered by his ankle, which adds to Hamling's performance (though of course it was part of a team effort - yet even so, Hamling has shown he can play team defense very well).

All this increases his value, which might be part of the delay, but as others have noted, our salary-cap situation gives us some room to manoeuvre...

[Twodogs]

I reckon Suckling is clearly best 22 for the Dogs when fully fit - he is the ideal prototype utility player for the modern game. Hard to put your best foot forward when you're managing a chronic Achilles for the last 3 months of the season.

Hamling would be a loss no doubt, but if he is committed to moving back to WA we need to maximise the situation. Different players but we do have Cordy, Adams and Collins coming through and developing in key defensive posts for the future.

I think we might bring an established hey back in if Hamling leaves.

I reckon Jmac would have a list of players he go shopping for for a lot less than we were willing to spend on Hurley that will cost a lot less and do the same job.

[GVGjr]

Don't quite get the pessimism re Hamling - less than two weeks ago he said he was expecting to re-sign with us (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-grand-final-2016-joel-hamling-says-hes-staying-at-western-bulldogs-20160926-groyyg.html) and I haven't read anything that goes against that, but maybe I've been out of the loop on that one.

I do see Hamling as a pretty significant priority - his finals series was very impressive (apart from a couple of moments against GWS), and the AFL stats had him at 14 1%ers in the grand final, more than double any of our other players (though the stats might be underselling Morris), and 5 better than the best Swan in this category (Rampe). In addition, the reports from the Swans are that Buddy actually wasn't that hampered by his ankle, which adds to Hamling's performance (though of course it was part of a team effort - yet even so, Hamling has shown he can play team defense very well).

All this increases his value, which might be part of the delay, but as others have noted, our salary-cap situation gives us some room to manoeuvre...

I think there has been some thinly veiled references that Hamling is looking to go home despite his positive comments about staying.
Having said that, if the club and player were close to agreeing to another 2 or 3 year deal it probably could have been done by now.

I'd like to think that we will have some definitive news by Tuesday.

[EasternWest]

Would have liked a 2 year deal for Smith, but hopefully if next year goes well for him then we can get a longer-term deal. Fantastic to have Jong remain, and I'd like the same for Hrovat and Stevens (in that order) - we will have three draft picks anyway, remain very young, and those are more than decent depth players who could force their way into the 22 without injuries. That said, if they want to move that is understandable and I'll wish them well (except against us).

Don't quite get the pessimism re Hamling - less than two weeks ago he said he was expecting to re-sign with us (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-grand-final-2016-joel-hamling-says-hes-staying-at-western-bulldogs-20160926-groyyg.html) and I haven't read anything that goes against that, but maybe I've been out of the loop on that one.

I do see Hamling as a pretty significant priority - his finals series was very impressive (apart from a couple of moments against GWS), and the AFL stats had him at 14 1%ers in the grand final, more than double any of our other players (though the stats might be underselling Morris), and 5 better than the best Swan in this category (Rampe). In addition, the reports from the Swans are that Buddy actually wasn't that hampered by his ankle, which adds to Hamling's performance (though of course it was part of a team effort - yet even so, Hamling has shown he can play team defense very well).

All this increases his value, which might be part of the delay, but as others have noted, our salary-cap situation gives us some room to manoeuvre...

I agree with everything you've said, I guess the concern is the radio silence since that day.

Had a terrific finals series, and when Buddy got up the ground he seemed to be moving freely and getting a bit of the ball, so I don't reckon he was that hampered either. Maybe Ham-pered (I know, I'll see myself out).

That being said, if he doesn't stay, I don't think it's the end of the world. But I'd really like him to.

[The Pie Man]

Seems it might be the coin on offer from Freo that's the sticking point re: Hamling.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/fremantle/fremantle-to-launch-trade-period-bid-for-western-bulldogs-premiership-defender-joel-hamling/news-story/3789547eb67a63a37d840aa91e029231

[ledge]

Could Barlow be involved he did play at Werribee .. Coming home ?

[Twodogs]

Could Barlow be involved he did play at Werribee .. Coming home ?

He's pretty much shot from what I've read.

[bulldogtragic]

Seems it might be the coin on offer from Freo that's the sticking point re: Hamling.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/fremantle/fremantle-to-launch-trade-period-bid-for-western-bulldogs-premiership-defender-joel-hamling/news-story/3789547eb67a63a37d840aa91e029231

I wonder what exactly audacious is in this context?

[Bulldog4life]

I just heard from a very reliable source that Hamling will be at Freo next year, This was according to a relative of Hamling.

All over the news in WA according to my cousin

[azabob]

Could Barlow be involved he did play at Werribee .. Coming home ?

No to Barlow. We have his type in abundance and who are better than him.

[GVGjr]

Could Barlow be involved he did play at Werribee .. Coming home ?

I don't think we have a spot for him.

[KT31]

Could Barlow be involved he did play at Werribee .. Coming home ?

Not for me, his goose is cooked.

[westbulldog]

If Hamling goes good luck to him. He will certainly earn his $ as a fullback for Freo next year and have little chance of a finals berth. We will have no problem with replacements.

[bulldogtragic]

From afl.com.au

Premiership Dog still weighing up Freo move

Joel Hamling is reported to be torn between a move home to Fremantle or signing a new contract with the Western Bulldogs and backing himself to play senior football in 2017.

A fringe player before injuries struck this season, Hamling impressed during a marvelous run to the premiership and is seen as a priority by Fremantle, according to The Sunday Times.

The Dockers have reportedly tabled a more lucrative offer than the Dogs for the 23-year-old Broome product, who was originally drafted by Geelong but didn't play a game in his first three seasons.

[bornadog]

From afl.com.au

Premiership Dog still weighing up Freo move

Joel Hamling is reported to be torn between a move home to Fremantle or signing a new contract with the Western Bulldogs and backing himself to play senior football in 2017.

A fringe player before injuries struck this season, Hamling impressed during a marvelous run to the premiership and is seen as a priority by Fremantle, according to The Sunday Times.

The Dockers have reportedly tabled a more lucrative offer than the Dogs for the 23-year-old Broome product, who was originally drafted by Geelong but didn't play a game in his first three seasons.

Barrett said in sliding doors a few weeks ago, he was offered triple his current contract $$$

[bulldogtragic]

Barrett said in sliding doors a few weeks ago, he was offered triple his current contract $$$

If they're throwing that money around and he takes it (who can begrudge tripling your wage), then a trade must reflect that. I'd be requesting Nat Fyfe come into the discussion with more from our side (quite obviously).

[ledge]

If they're throwing that money around and he takes it (who can begrudge tripling your wage), then a trade must reflect that. I'd be requesting Nat Fyfe come into the discussion with more from our side (quite obviously).
Can't see Fyfe leaving WA he is a country boy goes back to his dad's place and drives trucks whenever he gets the opportunity.

[bulldogtragic]

Can't see Fyfe leaving WA he is a country boy goes back to his dad's place and drives trucks whenever he gets the opportunity.

Let's see if contract of 6 years, huge bucks and the chance to play in a couple or more flags changes his mind. We have the circumstances to buy him, and if they want Hamling so badly and need several other picks to get McCarthy, Hill & Kersten. I say we ask the question of Fyfe. Fyfe's manager has said he has received several offers, who knows, maybe one is from us.

[ratsmac]

Let's see if contract of 6 years, huge bucks and the chance to play in a couple or more flags changes his mind. We have the circumstances to buy him, and if they want Hamling so badly and need several other picks to get McCarthy, Hill & Kersten. I say we ask the question of Fyfe. Fyfe's manager has said he has received several offers, who knows, maybe one is from us.

I'd love to believe that Fyfe is gettable but I cannot see how Freo could possibly let him go. He is the player that you build a team around and Freo are in a rebuilding faze.

The only way I see Fyfe leaving Freo is he himself wants out and wants to chase a premiership or Bulldogtragic pulls of a Tom Boyd upheaval type miracle.

Can you imagine if we woke to the news the Nat Fyfe has requested a trade to the Western Bulldogs. Wow, what a thought!

[The Doctor]

Emma Quayle reporting Freo think Hammer is likely to re-sign with the Dogs

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trades-2016-giants-suns-look-to-beat-early-bids-for-academy-stars-20161009-gry6fo.html

[bulldogtragic]

I'd love to believe that Fyfe is gettable but I cannot see how Freo could possibly let him go. He is the player that you build a team around and Freo are in a rebuilding faze.

The only way I see Fyfe leaving Freo is he himself wants out and wants to chase a premiership or Bulldogtragic pulls of a Tom Boyd upheaval type miracle.

Can you imagine if we woke to the news the Nat Fyfe has requested a trade to the Western Bulldogs. Wow, what a thought!

With Quayle saying Hamling might re-sign, we might have to wait. He's a free agent next year, maybe make him a very, very juicy offer to walk next year.

[bulldogtragic]

If Quayle is right, then our four minimum moves look like:

Minson, Prudden, Stevens and Hrovat/Boyd.

[GVGjr]

If Quayle is right, then our four minimum moves look like:

Minson, Prudden, Stevens and Hrovat/Boyd.

And just 3 draft selections

[bulldogtragic]

And just 3 draft selections

I'd still like to see at least 5 at the bare minimum. But not having cut Prudden yet and stating Honeychurch is not leaving makes me think that we are going with 4. A mistake in my book, especially if Stevens (& Hrovat) net us good enough picks.

[hujsh]

And just 3 draft selections

If there's ever a good time to take the 3 draft picks it's when your first 3 are 18 36+ and 54+, you've just won the Premiership and your reserves just won the VFL.

[azabob]

I'd still like to see at least 5 at the bare minimum. But not having cut Prudden yet and stating Honeychurch is not leaving makes me think that we are going with 4. A mistake in my book, especially if Stevens (& Hrovat) net us good enough picks.

BT, you want us to have five at the bare minimum. My question to you is which 6 are leaving to make this happen (taking into account Cloke is a done deal)?

[bulldogtragic]

BT, you want us to have five at the bare minimum. My question to you is which 6 are leaving to make this happen (taking into account Cloke is a done deal)?

Sorry, 5 changes, four plus Cloke.

Minson, Prudden, Stevens, Boyd (ret) & Honeychurch (I'd like to keep Hrovat but jungle drums are beating loud, so if he wants out, he can substitute).

[bulldogtragic]

The Age reported yesterday Freo expect Hamling to sign.
The Age today says Hrovat leaving for a late pick, and St Kilda & Essendon are in a race for Koby.

Hopefully it drives up the price on Koby. St Kilda have pick 29, I'd take that for Stevens. Hrovat for a late pick would be a very poor outcome.

[jeemak]

I'd force Hrovat to the PSD rather than cop a late pick for him, given we'd not use it in all likelihood.

[bulldogtragic]

I'd force Hrovat to the PSD rather than cop a late pick for him, given we'd not use it in all likelihood.

I'd rather we took an upgrade of picks than take a late pick (23 to 36 & 54 to 59). But the PSD is an option too in negotiations.

[hujsh]

I'd force Hrovat to the PSD rather than cop a late pick for him, given we'd not use it in all likelihood.

Is it worth it? Sydney have done deals like that to get players where they want to go (Biggs). Might be better off having a good reputation as doing right by the players (without getting taken advantage of)

[jazzadogs]

Is it worth it? Sydney have done deals like that to get players where they want to go (Biggs). Might be better off having a good reputation as doing right by the players (without getting taken advantage of)

IMO Hrovat for a late pick is being taken advantage of. Potentially if it is a 2017 pick that could be better, as we might have more changes next year.

Bevo made a comment in his b&f speech about JMAC and Dalrymple having a difficult trade period ahead because we want to keep our boys together. I thinks were going to have a few years of minimal activity.

[G-Mo77]

The Age reported yesterday Freo expect Hamling to sign.
The Age today says Hrovat leaving for a late pick, and St Kilda & Essendon are in a race for Koby.

Hopefully it drives up the price on Koby. St Kilda have pick 29, I'd take that for Stevens. Hrovat for a late pick would be a very poor outcome.

Out of contract and only played a handful of games, unfortunately we can't ask for a high pick for him. Our best hope is another team has interest and he's happy to go to either. I'd love him to stay personally.

[Ozza]

Out of contract and only played a handful of games, unfortunately we can't ask for a high pick for him. Our best hope is another team has interest and he's happy to go to either. I'd love him to stay personally.

I would also much prefer Hrovat to stay. I know you can't keep everyone, but it is frustrating to look like losing a good player with plenty of upside.

[The Doctor]

So when does Barrett have a crack at Sydney and the mega bucks Tippett deal? They're about to lose one of their best midfielders in Mitchell because they can't pay him what he's worth. Double standards?

[Topdog]

So when does Barrett have a crack at Sydney and the mega bucks Tippett deal? They're about to lose one of their best midfielders in Mitchell because they can't pay him what he's worth. Double standards?

Not really double standards. With us he assumed he would happen despite having NFI about our salary cap. With Sydney it is happening and clear for all to see.

[bulldogtragic]

Freo saying that they believe Hamling is still currently undecided. No commitments from him.

[Cyberdoggie]

So when does Barrett have a crack at Sydney and the mega bucks Tippett deal? They're about to lose one of their best midfielders in Mitchell because they can't pay him what he's worth. Double standards?

He's been having a go at them today on trade radio.

[ledge]

I would be happy if we kept to the bare minimum . This list just won two flags and are still very very young, we will only get better with more pre seasons

[Jeanette54]

Two things which I completely frail to understand.

Where is the equalisation when free agents all want to go to Top 6 clubs? And how do these clubs afford them?

There must be some Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide players who are seriously underpaid, and still want to stay where they are.

And for what its worth, I hope both Hamster and The Rat both remain Bulldogs.

[GVGjr]

Two things which I completely frail to understand.

Where is the equalisation when free agents all want to go to Top 6 clubs? And how do these clubs afford them?

There must be some Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide players who are seriously underpaid, and still want to stay where they are.

And for what its worth, I hope both Hamster and The Rat both remain Bulldogs.

Despite what we would all like to believe being a premiership club (doesn't that sound good :) ) and having a very bright future ahead does not necessarily make you a destination club by the vast majority of players.

If we have a significant amount of room in the cap as our play for Hurley should suggest I'm surprised we really haven't been linked to some other players.

[lemmon]

Despite what we would all like to believe being a premiership club (doesn't that sound good :) ) and having a very bright future ahead does not necessarily make you a destination club by the vast majority of players.

If we have a significant amount of room in the cap as our play for Hurley should suggest I'm surprised we really haven't been linked to some other players.

Hypothetically, if we lost the Grand Final by 3 goals I reckon we probably would be more aggressive. That cap space might be important when it comes to negotiating with our own talent in the coming years

[Mantis]

If we have a significant amount of room in the cap as our play for Hurley should suggest I'm surprised we really haven't been linked to some other players.

Of the players that are being discussed as being 'on the move' there isn't a name that screams pick me... Well at least for our areas of need.

Perhaps there is a bit going on behind closed doors, but I don't think it's a year to be a huge player in the market.. Sign up our must haves, look after the players who want to depart, reward the players on the list and perhaps wait our turn knowing we have a strong list to start with.

[Topdog]

Two things which I completely frail to understand.

Where is the equalisation when free agents all want to go to Top 6 clubs? And how do these clubs afford them?

There must be some Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide players who are seriously underpaid, and still want to stay where they are.
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Hawthorn would have some betting underpaid for sure. Geelong and Adelaide I'm not so sure. Outside of danger, Selwood and Hawkins I don't think any player deserves to be on big money.

Adelaide have Sloane and big Tex.

[GVGjr]

Hypothetically, if we lost the Grand Final by 3 goals I reckon we probably would be more aggressive. That cap space might be important when it comes to negotiating with our own talent in the coming years

In that hypothetical I think we would be very aggressive in trading for players.

[lemmon]

Hawthorn would have some betting underpaid for sure. Geelong and Adelaide I'm not so sure. Outside of danger, Selwood and Hawkins I don't think any player deserves to be on big money.

Adelaide have Sloane and big Tex.

We're yet to see who gets squeezed out at Hawthorn. They're not going to keep them all and get O'Meara and Mithell. If they lose a Breust along with Hill, things even up a bit

[Dancin' Douggy]

I know Hamilton is under contract, but there's no reason why we can't put him on the table.
One of the Adelaide teams might bite? Would really hate to lose the rat or the hammer.

[Bulldog Joe]

With Bevo already stating that he wants to keep the players together, I really don't see how we can be looking at doing much in bringing players in from other clubs.

Having already committed to Cloke and still needing to delist an additional 3 from the main list, we have very little room to move. Any player traded in adds an additional out to the still required 3 delistings.

[lemmon]

I know Hamilton is under contract, but there's no reason why we can't put him on the table.
One of the Adelaide teams might bite? Would really hate to lose the rat or the hammer.

I dont believe a player can be traded in the same season they were re-contracted

[Throughandthrough]

I know Hamilton is under contract, but there's no reason why we can't put him on the table.
One of the Adelaide teams might bite? Would really hate to lose the rat or the hammer.

Hamilton might want to go with his cousin Ben Jarman, at Hawthorn

[bulldogtragic]

The Age saying Matty Boyd signed a one year deal.

[Ozza]

I'm waiting for our 'big move'.

At this point - all I'm seeing is that we are
- definitely losing some fringe mids.
- possibly losing two key defensive talls (an area we can't afford to lose players)
- almost certainly recruiting a tall forward that we don't at all need.

Looking forward to the 2nd week of trade week turning things around in a big way.

[1eyedog]

I'm waiting for our 'big move'.

At this point - all I'm seeing is that we are
- definitely losing some fringe mids.
- possibly losing two key defensive talls (an area we can't afford to lose players)
- almost certainly recruiting a tall forward that we don't at all need.

Looking forward to the 2nd week of trade week turning things around in a big way.

Hope someone is on the slow burn. Didn't we announce Boyd at the start of the second week in 14 and then seal the deal mid week? Feeling optimistic about week 2. The potential for no Adams or Hamling is very concerning though.

[bulldogtragic]

Some, me included, were asking why Hamilton was signed up prior to the trade window and why Prudden has been cut. I guess the club must have expected 4 or 5 blokes to walk out and didn't need to make too many changes over it.