2017 Headline Free Agents

[bulldogtragic]

Nat Fyffe
Nick Suban
Michael Johnson

Josh Kennedy (WCE)
Eric McKenzie
Mark Le Cras

Josh Kennedy (Syd)
Gary Rohan
Sam Reid

Matt Kruezer

Steven Motlop

Jackson Trengrove
Jasper Pittard

Lachie Hansen

Grant Birchall
Luke Bruest
Ryan Shoenmakers
Taylor Duryea


I hope there's some decent ones left in 12 months time to come to us, the destination club.

[comrade]

Fyfe, Motlop, JK, Trengove, Breust all very much in demand.

Reid, Pittard, Rohan the next tier down.

[Dry Rot]

Josh Kennedy (WCE)


Love to get him.

[bulldogtragic]

Fyfe, Motlop, JK, Trengove, Breust all very much in demand.

Reid, Pittard, Rohan the next tier down.

With Dangerfield last year, I can see more clubs being open to trade a year out if it's a better outcome. Motlop could be a first rounder trade this year, or maybe second round compo next year. Fyffe could be a massive injection of picks to rebuild Freo if GCS are serious about it. No surprise a lot of names on the list have been mentioned in trade rumours.

[Dry Rot]

Josh Kennedy (WCE)


Love to get him.

[Remi Moses]

Didn't Gary Rohan just re-sign?

[bulldogtragic]

Didn't Gary Rohan just re-sign?

Maybe, I lifted it from an article from early August. If he's done his ACL he's not going anywhere in any event.

[ledge]

Maybe, I lifted it from an article from early August. If he's done his ACL he's not going anywhere in any event.

Apparently scans showed he is ok and might play this week against the Cats

[bulldogtragic]

Updated full list:

Adelaide
Andy Otten
Sam Shaw

Brisbane
Claye Beams
Ryan Harwood
Tom Rockliff

Carlton
Levi Casboult
Matthew Kreuzer
Kade Simpson
Simon White

Collingwood
Tyson Goldsack
Lachlan Keefe
Ben Sinclair
Josh Thomas

Essendon
Heath Hocking
Ben Howlett
Brent Stanton
Jobe Watson
David Zaharakis

Fremantle
Hayden Ballantyne
Nat Fyfe
Garrick Ibbotson
Michael Johnson
David Mundy
Aaron Sandilands
Nick Suban

Geelong
Andrew Mackie
Daniel Menzel
Steven Motlop

Gold Coast
Rory Thompson

Hawthorn
Grant Birchall
Luke Breust
Shaun Burgoyne
Taylor Duryea
Josh Gibson
Luke Hodge
Ryan Schoenmakers

Melbourne
Jake Spencer
Jack Trengove

North Melbourne
Lachlan Hansen
Scott Thompson

Port Adelaide
Jasper Pittard
Jackson Trengove
Justin Westhoff

Richmond
Dustin Martin

St Kilda
Sean Dempster
Sam Gilbert
Leigh Montagna
Nick Riewoldt

Sydney
Heath Grundy
Josh Kennedy
Jarrad McVeigh
Sam Reid

West Coast
Josh Kennedy
Mark LeCras
Eric Mackenzie
Matt Priddis

Western Bulldogs
Matthew Boyd
Dale Morris
Robert Murphy
Liam Picken

[bulldogtragic]

A good free agency pool for a club with heaps of cap cash, and firmly in the window for all to see.

[comrade]

Jackson Trengove, yes please.

[LostDoggy]

Jackson Trengove, yes please.

His Bro' Jack maybe too?

[azabob]

His Bro' Jack maybe too?

Injuries have cut him down big time.

[westdog54]

Trengove will always be one of those big 'what if' stories.

[bulldogtragic]

Updated list of considerations:

Adelaide
Andy Otten

Brisbane
Ryan Harwood
Tom Rockliff

Carlton
Levi Casboult
Matthew Kreuzer

Collingwood


Essendon


Fremantle
Nat Fyfe
Garrick Ibbotson
Michael Johnson
David Mundy
Nick Suban

Geelong
Daniel Menzel
Steven Motlop

Gold Coast
Rory Thompson

Hawthorn
Grant Birchall
Luke Breust
Taylor Duryea
Ryan Schoenmakers

Melbourne
Jack Trengove

North Melbourne
Lachlan Hansen

Port Adelaide
Jackson Trengove
Justin Westhoff

Richmond
Dustin Martin

St Kilda


Sydney
Heath Grundy
Sam Reid

West Coast
Josh Kennedy (highly unlikely)
Eric Mackenzie


I wonder how many of these guys will test their market value?

[Topdog]

GWS must have a few

[bulldogtragic]

GWS must have a few

Players to be free agents would've needed to play 7 years for GWS. I'm assuming their absence from that list means there's none yet.

[Sedat]

Rory Thompson might be worth a look - hasn't really kicked on in the last year or so but he is a good size and had good mobility.

[bulldogtragic]

The Official List released by the AFEL a few days ago:


ADELAIDE
Andy Otten (unrestricted) (surely stays loyal after injuries)
Scott Thompson (unrestricted) (will retire you'd imagine)

BRISBANE LIONS
Claye Beams (unrestricted) (won't leave)
Ryan Harwood (unrestricted)
Tom Rockliff (restricted)

CARLTON
Dennis Armfield (unrestricted) (no)
Levi Casboult (unrestricted)
Matthew Kreuzer (unrestricted)
Kade Simpson (unrestricted) (won't go)
Simon White (unrestricted) (won't go)

COLLINGWOOD
Tyson Goldsack (unrestricted) (no)
Lachlan Keeffe (unrestricted) (no)
Ben Sinclair (unrestricted) (no)
Josh Thomas (unrestricted) (no)

ESSENDON
Heath Hocking (unrestricted) (no)
Ben Howlett (unrestricted) (no)
Brent Stanton (unrestricted) (no)
Jobe Watson (unrestricted) (no)
David Zaharakis (restricted) (won't leave)

FREMANTLE
Hayden Ballantyne (restricted) (will retire you'd imagine)
Zac Clarke (unrestricted) (no)
Nat Fyfe (restricted)
Garrick Ibbotson (unrestricted)
Michael Johnson (unrestricted) (will retire you'd imagine)
David Mundy (unrestricted)
Aaron Sandilands (unrestricted) (can't see leaving)
Nick Suban (unrestricted)

GEELONG
Josh Cowan (unrestricted) (*!*!*!*! no)
Andrew Mackie (unrestricted) (may retire)
Steven Motlop (restricted)
Tom Lonergan (unrestricted) (may retire)
Daniel Menzel (unrestricted) (surely stays loyal after his injuries)

HAWTHORN
Shaun Burgoyne (unrestricted) (may retire)
Taylor Duryea (unrestricted)
Josh Gibson (restricted) (may retire or won't leave)
Luke Hodge (unrestricted) (may retire)
Ryan Schoenmakers (unrestricted)

NORTH MELBOURNE
Scott Thompson (restricted) (may retire)
Lachlan Hansen (unrestricted)

MELBOURNE
Jake Spencer (unrestricted) (can't see him leaving)
Jack Trengove (unrestricted) (can't see him leaving)

PORT ADELAIDE
Jasper Pittard (unrestricted)
Jackson Trengove (restricted)
Justin Westhoff (unrestricted) (won't leave)

RICHMOND
Dustin Martin (restricted)

ST KILDA
Sean Dempster (unrestricted) (may retire)
Sam Gilbert (unrestricted) (may retire)
Leigh Montagna (unrestricted) (may retire or won't leave)
Nick Riewoldt (unrestricted) (may retire or won't leave)

SYDNEY
Jarrad McVeigh (unrestricted) (won't go)
Sam Reid (restricted)

WEST COAST
Sam Butler (unrestricted) (will retire)
Mark LeCras (unrestricted) (won't go)
Eric Mackenzie (restricted)
Matt Priddis (unrestricted) (won't go)

WESTERN BULLDOGS
Matthew Boyd (unrestricted)
Dale Morris (unrestricted)
Robert Murphy (unrestricted)
Liam Picken (unrestricted)



So realistically on all teams radar:

Eric McKenzie - KPD
Jackson Trengrove - KPD/Ruck
Lachie Hanson - KPD

Sam Reid - KPD/KPF
Ryan Schoenmakers - KPD/KPF

Jasper Pittard - HBF
Garrick Ibbotson - HBF
Taylor Duryea - HBF
Ryan Harwood - HBF

Tom Rockliff - Mid
Nat Fyffe - Mid
Nick Suban - Mid
David Mundy - Mid

Matthew Kruezer - Ruck/Fwd
Levi Casboult - Forward who can't kick straight
Steven Motlop - HFF/FP

Dustin Martin - Cockhead


A few tall defenders potentially on the market, of even more interest if Morris & Adams go. Anything else take your fancy?

[KT31]

The Official List released by the AFEL a few days ago:
HAWTHORN
Shaun Burgoyne (unrestricted) (may retire)
Taylor Duryea (unrestricted)
Josh Gibson (restricted) (may retire or won't leave)
Luke Hodge (unrestricted) (may retire)
Ryan Schoenmakers (unrestricted)

Not too sure what the Hawks will do BT, up until the end of last season most of us would have said Mitchell was a monty to stay.

[The Doctor]

Tony Sheahan (SEN) reported that Kelly from GWS is being hotly pursued by Melbourne clubs with Norf apparantly leading the charge with an offer of $8.1m over 9 years.

[Go_Dogs]

Tony Sheahan (SEN) reported that Kelly from GWS is being hotly pursued by Melbourne clubs with Norf apparantly leading the charge with an offer of $8.1m over 9 years.


That's obscene.

He's a good young player, but that's a significant amount of money for someone who isn't a proven game-changer.

[GVGjr]

That's obscene.

He's a good young player, but that's a significant amount of money for someone who isn't a proven game-changer.

Agreed. Very good player but not elite but clearly North think they can get him there.
I guess players are worth what the market dictates though but it's a long contract that is probably heavily front loaded.

I think this is a clear indication that North are going to try and load up again for a tilt in a couple of years.

[1eyedog]

That's obscene.

He's a good young player, but that's a significant amount of money for someone who isn't a proven game-changer.

It's slightly less than we offered Boyd. These types of deals are going to become the norm over the next 5 years. We really were the catalyst for this. If you want a particular player, and North need a highly skilled, pacy mid then you need to go harder than everyone else, particularly when you're unfashionable and at the start of a rebuild.

[ledge]

It's slightly less than we offered Boyd. These types of deals are going to become the norm over the next 5 years. We really were the catalyst for this. If you want a particular player, and North need a highly skilled, pacy mid then you need to go harder than everyone else, particularly when you're unfashionable and at the start of a rebuild.

Wouldn't say we were the catalyst .. Alister lynch was the first then Franklin , probably a few others too.
Remember the cap is jumping quite a bit so jj getting offered 700,000 (if you believe it) won't be that big if you load your contracts to players at the right years , whether it's front , mid or back ended, that's the list management trick.

[1eyedog]

Wouldn't say we were the catalyst .. Alister lynch was the first then Franklin , probably a few others too.
Remember the cap is jumping quite a bit so jj getting offered 700,000 (if you believe it) won't be that big if you load your contracts to players at the right years , whether it's front , mid or back ended, that's the list management trick.

I'm talking completely un-tested players ala Boyd and Kelly. Lynch was established and Franklin a star.

[ratsmac]

After Friday Night interest in Sam Reid would of grown a tad. If he can get through the whole season with getting an injury I'd be giving his management a tingle.

[hujsh]

It's slightly less than we offered Boyd. These types of deals are going to become the norm over the next 5 years. We really were the catalyst for this. If you want a particular player, and North need a highly skilled, pacy mid then you need to go harder than everyone else, particularly when you're unfashionable and at the start of a rebuild.

Kelly is a midfielder though and while he's supposedly quit skilled does he have any point of difference that would make him elite?

Just seems an odd place to throw speculative money

[Axe Man]

An interesting little tidbit from an article about North's Josh Kelly offer:

Josh Kelly must decide if he wants to play in premierships or chase a big contract, writes Jon Ralph (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/josh-kelly-must-decide-if-he-wants-to-play-in-premierships-or-chase-a-big-contract-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/e4684462ffd659e9347d9ea30bda26a7)


As recently as last month Kelly was exclusively negotiating with the Giants on a two-year extension, unwilling to consider other offers from clubs including the Dogs.

[1eyedog]

An interesting little tidbit from an article about North's Josh Kelly offer:

Josh Kelly must decide if he wants to play in premierships or chase a big contract, writes Jon Ralph (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/josh-kelly-must-decide-if-he-wants-to-play-in-premierships-or-chase-a-big-contract-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/e4684462ffd659e9347d9ea30bda26a7)

Same applies to JJ

[1eyedog]

Kelly is a midfielder though and while he's supposedly quit skilled does he have any point of difference that would make him elite?

Just seems an odd place to throw speculative money

Kelly will be an out and out star. He's already a jet. I wish we could get hold of him.

[Bulldog4life]

An interesting little tidbit from an article about North's Josh Kelly offer:

Josh Kelly must decide if he wants to play in premierships or chase a big contract, writes Jon Ralph (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/josh-kelly-must-decide-if-he-wants-to-play-in-premierships-or-chase-a-big-contract-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/e4684462ffd659e9347d9ea30bda26a7)

If Kelly is worth a million a year what is his mate The Bont worth?

[hujsh]

Kelly will be an out and out star. He's already a jet. I wish we could get hold of him.

Fair enough. As someone who only watches the Dogs, the players for teams like GWS tend to blend together so I'll bow to your judgement there.

[bulldogtragic]

If Kelly is worth a million a year what is his mate The Bont worth?

A lot more when his contract expires in a few years. Happy we locked him away at whatever his price at the time was worth.

[Remi Moses]

Jake Lever is out of contract at years end
Would be a wonderful addition to our back half
Potentially losing Morris and Adams,hoping we're into him

[KT31]

Jake Lever is out of contract at years end
Would be a wonderful addition to our back half
Potentially losing Morris and Adams,hoping we're into him

Last word on Adams was he was keen to stay.

[bulldogtragic]

I think Hawthorn will be desperate to get back into the first round this year. Gunston has two years, worth $650,000 a year, to run at Hawthorn. I wonder if he's gettable (with a Bevo connection) if Hawthorn want a first rounder (and a player more than likely) and think they can go with the following successfully:

Puopolo Roughead Rioli
Cicily O'Brien/Schoenmakers Bruest

They then have more than enough salary cap to land either Fyfe or Martin, in addition to a gaining first rounder and player.

Gunston has shown most worthy as the third tall. If a team could offer him the same circumstances where he's excelled, lesser defenders due to other good top end forwards, he would be an amazing get.

[comrade]

I think Hawthorn will be desperate to get back into the first round this year. Gunston has two years, worth $650,000 a year, to run at Hawthorn. I wonder if he's gettable (with a Bevo connection) if Hawthorn want a first rounder (and a player more than likely) and think they can go with the following successfully:

Puopolo Roughead Rioli
Cicily O'Brien/Schoenmakers Bruest

They then have more than enough salary cap to land either Fyfe or Martin, in addition to a gaining first rounder and player.

Gunston has shown most worthy as the third tall. If a team could offer him the same circumstances where he's excelled, lesser defenders due to other good top end forwards, he would be an amazing get.

A gun midfielder or key defender would be a more pressing need than a 3rd tall in the forward line. Great player of course, but I think our draft picks are better spent elsewhere.

[bulldogtragic]

A gun midfielder or key defender would be a more pressing need than a 3rd tall in the forward line. Great player of course, but I think our draft picks are better spent elsewhere.

It depends, I think. Firstly, if Morris plays on next year and Zaine, Collins & Adams develop well enoug, looking at free agents Trangrove or Hansen. Not sure we can land a gun midfielder, as Prestia & Treloar wanted 'big clubs' and Kelly has $9,000,000 reasons to go to North. If Clokey is a two year stop gap, and Tom Boyd is going to be rucking large chunks of games and Stringer also increasing his midfield time, Gunston might be a great addition in affording flexibility to using Boyd, Cloke, Stringer & Crameri in multiple roles.

[Twodogs]

Injuries have cut him down big time.


Injuring himself during a fitness test for another club was just about the limit.

[Bulldog4life]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/report-perth-radio-claims-fremantle-captain-nat-fyfes-move-to-st-kilda-is-basically-done/news-story/a0b42906c0d313f810724c0c293a0bc2

PERTH radio is claiming former Brownlow Medalist and current Fremantle captain Nat Fyfe will sign a $1.5 million deal with St Kilda at the end of the season.

Fyfe is this year’s most sought-after free agent, with the future of the talented midfielder likely to be speculated on throughout the entirety of the campaign.

And radio host Brad Fitzgerald, part of the ‘Carmen and Fitzi’ program on 96FM in Perth, revealed he had been told news of Fyfe’s move by a “high-ranking board member” at the Saints.

“The offer is worth $1.5 million a season and it is — as far as legally wise — virtually accepted,” Fitzgerald said.

“He can’t sign yet but it’s basically a done deal and he is going to St Kilda.

“I can’t name names but this has come from a high-ranking board member of St Kilda.”

Fyfe is averaging 26.8 disposals per game this season, having missed the majority of the side’s 2016 campaign with a broken leg.

He is out of contract at the end of this year.

[bulldogtragic]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/report-perth-radio-claims-fremantle-captain-nat-fyfes-move-to-st-kilda-is-basically-done/news-story/a0b42906c0d313f810724c0c293a0bc2

PERTH radio is claiming former Brownlow Medalist and current Fremantle captain Nat Fyfe will sign a $1.5 million deal with St Kilda at the end of the season.

Fyfe is this year’s most sought-after free agent, with the future of the talented midfielder likely to be speculated on throughout the entirety of the campaign.

And radio host Brad Fitzgerald, part of the ‘Carmen and Fitzi’ program on 96FM in Perth, revealed he had been told news of Fyfe’s move by a “high-ranking board member” at the Saints.

“The offer is worth $1.5 million a season and it is — as far as legally wise — virtually accepted,” Fitzgerald said.

“He can’t sign yet but it’s basically a done deal and he is going to St Kilda.

“I can’t name names but this has come from a high-ranking board member of St Kilda.”

Fyfe is averaging 26.8 disposals per game this season, having missed the majority of the side’s 2016 campaign with a broken leg.

He is out of contract at the end of this year.

Wow, close to $2.4M tied up in Fyfe & Carlisle. They'd want a big rise in the salary cap, as that's around 25% of the cap in two players. Assuming Freo don't play hardball, say they'll match it and demand the Hawthorn pick.

[bulldogtragic]

The AFEL have put this handy regularly updated free agency list and notes like last year:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-04/whos-on-the-move-every-free-agent-analysed

[GVGjr]

We need a tagger so Suban has some interest for me.

[bulldogtragic]

We need a tagger so Suban has some interest for me.

Do you believe Bevo would play him?

[GVGjr]

Do you believe Bevo would play him?

Probably not as a tagger but perhaps in the ruck from time to time :)

I still think we need some who is very capable of shutting down opposition players

[bulldogtragic]

Probably not as a tagger but perhaps in the ruck from time to time :)

I still think we need some who is very capable of shutting down opposition players

Everyone needs to play at least two roles. Ruck/KPF... :D

[jeemak]

I don't think there's room for a genuine tagger, rather, someone who can play a tight role in close when it's 50-50 and can spread and be used as a forward carrying or linking option a few times a quarter whilst hopefully sneaking forward to kick a goal.

The really good players don't like being accountable themselves a lot of the time. Sure they tackle when they need to often, but they tend not to be too flash on the spread and nothing drops a players confidence level like having a negative player kick a goal on them.

If you can get a midfielder who can play tight, spread and use the ball well then that's ideal. We do have one in Libba, mind you.

[bornadog]

Nat Fyfe signing a $6 million contract with Freo.

[bulldogtragic]

Nat Fyfe signing a $6 million contract with Freo.

A win all round for them.

[Dry Rot]

Buddy's deal is looking better for the Swans by the year

[jeemak]

How many years?

[Throughandthrough]

Buddy's deal is looking better for the Swans by the year


Financially they are miles ahead already thru extra membership, merch and sponsorship dollars

[G-Mo77]

Buddy's deal is looking better for the Swans by the year

Come and see us when he's in his 20th year of his contract and they're looking for a bail out.

[Webby]

I've got a funny feeling that Fyfe's best footyy is behind him. Not that the footy ahead of him
Won't be high quality!

On Buddy, I get a feeling that even if he tails off in his later years, he'll be a different player who's filled out and still has unusually high athleticism for a bloke of his size. He'll always be a hard, hard match up and a distraction for the opposition. Time will tell, I guess. He's a freak.

[Webby]

I should follow up and say that the issue with Buddy's contract is not so much the length, but the fact that, I understand it, his remuneration is weighted heavily to the middle years of his deal. That is, years 4-6 see him earning much more than in years 1-3 and 7-9. Or at least that was how it was reported at the time.

If that's correct, something has to give from elsewhere on the list. Even with the 20% EBA bump up.

[Bulldog Joe]

I should follow up and say that the issue with Buddy's contract is not so much the length, but the fact that, I understand it, his remuneration is weighted heavily to the middle years of his deal. That is, years 4-6 see him earning much more than in years 1-3 and 7-9. Or at least that was how it was reported at the time.

If that's correct, something has to give from elsewhere on the list. Even with the 20% EBA bump up.

Plenty has already given due to the contract.

Mumford to GWS
Mitchell to Hawthorn

even Biggs to us were all caused by the Buddy contract.

[Topdog]

Plenty has already given due to the contract.

Mumford to GWS
Mitchell to Hawthorn

even premiership hero Biggs to us were all caused by the Buddy contract.

there thats better

[bulldogtragic]

Plenty has already given due to the contract.

Mumford to GWS
Mitchell to Hawthorn

even Biggs to us were all caused by the Buddy contract.

Plus Bird, Malckski, arguably Richards and possibly either Jones or Reid this year. And they've not won a flag while their midfield has been at its peak. Plus it pissed off their last defender of COLA in Chairman Mike Fitxpatrick. It's made them money, but as a whole, there's a lot of pros and cons.

[divvydan]

Fyfe has officially re-signed with Freo for 6 more years, effectively for the remainder of his playing career. .

[Mantis]

Fyfe has officially re-signed with Freo for 6 more years, effectively for the remainder of his playing career. .

Talk is that its for about $8 million for that period.

[josie]

I also think a quick, skillful midfielder is a higher priority or possibly line ball with KPD.

If I had to choose one of Kelly or Lever I'd take Kelly on perceived needs basis. (Aware he would cost more, is possibly too expensive and that we do not want to join a bidding war). Hoping Bont can have a whisper in Kelly's ear and that he has a chat with Bevo so he can make an informed decision.

If we did get Lever I'd still be happy though !!

Are there any other quick, skilled midfielders (other than Kelly, Martin and Rockliff) that might want to leave their clubs, incl. those still contracted where we might stand a chance e.g. someone at club has some ties with, those that have been injured a bit? I think I read somewhere ?BF? about Whitfield as a possibility. I'd have to put aside my prejudices regarding his hiding to avoid drug test plus playing faux tough guy in prelim, plus (and this is really unfair of me I know) that I have labelled him the chinless one...If he came to Dogs I think I could rewire my brain (maybe). Wonder if he passes our "good guy" policy?

[Doc26]

I also think a quick, skillful midfielder is a higher priority or possibly line ball with KPD.

If I had to choose one of Kelly or Lever I'd take Kelly on perceived needs basis. (Aware he would cost more, is possibly too expensive and that we do not want to join a bidding war). Hoping Bont can have a whisper in Kelly's ear and that he has a chat with Bevo so he can make an informed decision.

If we did get Lever I'd still be happy though !!

Are there any other quick, skilled midfielders (other than Kelly, Martin and Rockliff) that might want to leave their clubs, incl. those still contracted where we might stand a chance e.g. someone at club has some ties with, those that have been injured a bit? I think I read somewhere ?BF? about Whitfield as a possibility. I'd have to put aside my prejudices regarding his hiding to avoid drug test plus playing faux tough guy in prelim, plus (and this is really unfair of me I know) that I have labelled him the chinless one...If he came to Dogs I think I could rewire my brain (maybe). Wonder if he passes our "good guy" policy?

Zak Jones has had a break out year and remains unsigned (crossing threads but maybe our Daniel Kerr type).

Jacob Hopper is more of an unknown at this juncture but should become a long term mid option under strong development and developing alongside Marcus. Brings the added bonus of striking GWS.

[josie]

Thanks Doc26. I do not watch that many other AFL games. Who does Zak play for, does he come from Vic? And what do you know about Hopper? Would love to steal some more their good players without paying heaps for them. Ta in advance.

[Doc26]

Thanks Doc26. I do not watch that many other AFL games. Who does Zak play for, does he come from Vic? And what do you know about Hopper? Would love to steal some more their good players without paying heaps for them. Ta in advance.

Brother of Nathan Jones at Melbourne but plays for Sydney.

Jones you may recall was the Swans player who took the open hit on Travis earlier in the season - probably doesn't help to sell his value to us.

Hopper is a highly touted big body mid who has been on GWS's list for close to 2 seasons now. Mixture of age, injuries and difficulty of breaking into such a deep midfield has limited his opportunity and is coming out of contract. GWS would not want to lose him particularly with Kelly a chance to leave.

[bulldogtragic]

Motlop is a curious case. No one enquired on him being shopped last year. Surely no club would make him a decent FA offer now, and surely on his output this whole contract, Geelong shouldn't offer a decent offer either. Maybe he's forced to take a $150,000 a season pay cut to stay at Geelong and hope Cockatoo doesn't get and stay fit. But if he does, they're paying him $400,000 a year to play VFL. Glad it's not my problem.

[Remi Moses]

Zak Jones would fit our needs perfectly .

[Remi Moses]

Motlop is a curious case. No one enquired on him being shopped last year. Surely no club would make him a decent FA offer now, and surely on his output this whole contract, Geelong shouldn't offer a decent offer either. Maybe he's forced to take a $150,000 a season pay cut to stay at Geelong and hope Cockatoo doesn't get and stay fit. But if he does, they're paying him $400,000 a year to play VFL. Glad it's not my problem.

The difference between Motlop's best and worst is miles apart , and at this stage of his career that ain't changing .

[ledge]

Motlop family have a history of outstanding highlights but rare and more downs than ups.

[bulldogtragic]

The FA list is slowly dwindling down, with Reid & Martin likely to re-sign.

Of what's left, I'd be happy with Rockliff, Kruezer, Trengrove & McKenzie.

[bornadog]

Updated full list:

Richmond
Dustin Martin



Signed a 7 year deal worth $1.3 million per year

[Doc26]

The FA list is slowly dwindling down, with Reid & Martin likely to re-sign.

Of what's left, I'd be happy with Rockliff, Kruezer, Trengrove & McKenzie.

Kreuzer has re-signed with Carlton today.

[KT31]

Pool is getting shallower.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-31/carlton-hands-no1-ruckman-twoyear-deal

[KT31]

Kreuzer has re-signed with Carlton today.

Pool is getting shallower.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-31/carlton-hands-no1-ruckman-twoyear-deal

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Pool is getting shallower.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-31/carlton-hands-no1-ruckman-twoyear-deal

Its more like a parental supervised kids wading area, as opposed to a pool now.

So a hypothetical question, what would we think if two years in a row our list was losing talent and nor bringing in comparable talent?

[KT31]

Its more like a parental supervised kids wading area, as opposed to a pool now.

So a hypothetical question, what would we think if two years in a row our list was losing talent and nor bringing in comparable talent?

Need badly to poach a key position player at least, whilst our recruiters have been brilliant at the draft they are sadly letting us down in this area,

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Need badly to poach a key position player at least, whilst our recruiters have been brilliant at the draft they are sadly letting us down in this area,

How quickly we forget 2016 .. Won a premiership so we must have done it right.
How can you be let down when you achieved the ultimate doing what we did recruiting / draft wise.