WBFC - Player Contract Status

[bulldogtragic]

Luke Beveridge: 2023
Head Recruiter: TBA
List Manager: TBA


Bailey Williams: 2019
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Bailey Dale: 2019
Lukas Webb: 2019
Fletcher Roberts: 2019 (FA)
Tory Dickson: 2019 (FA)
Dale Morris: 2019 (FA)
Roarke Smith: 2019 (Rookie)
Ryan Gardner: 2019 (Rookie)


Josh Schache: 2020
Easton Wood: 2020
Billy Gowers: 2020
Fergus Greene: 2020
Jackson Trengove: 2020
Taylor Duryea: 2020
Lin Jong: 2020
Brad Lynch: 2020
Rhylee West: 2020
Bailey Smith: 2020
Laitham Vandermeer: 2020
Ben Cavarra: 2020
Will Hayes: 2020
Callum Porter: 2020
Matt Suckling: 2020 (FA)
Lachie Young: 2020 (Rookie)
Jordan Sweet: 2020 (Rookie)
Buku Khamis: 2020 (Rookie)


Tom Liberatore: 2021
Marcus Bontempelli: 2021
Ed Richards: 2021
Zaine Cordy: 2021
Mitch Wallis: 2021
Pat Lipinski: 2021
Lewis Young: 2021


JJ: 2022
Jack Macrae: 2022
Toby McLean: 2022
Josh Dunkley: 2022
Caleb Daniel: 2022
Tim English: 2022


Hunter: 2024
Naughton: 2024

[bulldogtragic]

A fair bit of work for JMac ahead.

[1eyedog]

Bont out of contract next year holy crap.

[bulldogtragic]

Bont out of contract next year holy crap.

My bad. 2019.

[azabob]

Bontempelli is till end of 2019.

[1eyedog]

My bad. 2019.

Breath relax breath relax

[ledge]

Will be a lot of contract extensions next year I would imagine ..all that money we have extra in the salary cap will be used up . Although I would say Murphy Morris and Boyd will be gone . That's three we don't have to worry about .

[1eyedog]

Those three will be counted as vets so won't alleviate much cap.

[Sedat]

JJ is the top priority for next year - need him locked away from the clutches of other suitors, of which there will be plenty

[1eyedog]

Daniel and Dunkley are the other must retain players out of contract. After the past week we need to be conscious of losing anyone.

[GVGjr]

JJ is the top priority for next year - need him locked away from the clutches of other suitors, of which there will be plenty

While I agree he is the top priority he is also so close to Stringer he won't be too willing to listen to other offers if we pay him a bit better than fair market value.

[bulldogtragic]

This is being discussed in the 2017 rolling thread. If any mod wants to sticky it, I'm happy to keep updating it as things update.

[Axe Man]

Those three will be counted as vets so won't alleviate much cap.

I believe the veterans allowance has been abolished for 2017, replaced by an increased salary cap for all clubs.

Veterans rule change put all clubs on a level playing field (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/new-veterans-rule-put-all-clubs-on-a-level-playing-field)

[bulldogtragic]

Updated.

[Hotdog60]

Updated.

Looks like JMac has a bit of work to do next year.

[bulldogtragic]

Looks like JMac has a bit of work to do next year.

Certainly does, half the list is up. Calls to be made by/on Morris, Boyd & Bob. Adams staying or going. A few recent ACL players up again in Smith, Redders, Smith (& Bob). Priority JJ, Picken, Crameri, McLean & extended 2014 & 2015 draftees like Collins, Dunkley, Webb, Dale etc.

[Twodogs]

Devise a brilliant trade strategy.

[Hotdog60]

At least it will be easier to clear the three required delisting's next year with it unlikely that Bob, Moz and MBoyd going on to 2018.

[bulldogtragic]

At least it will be easier to clear the three required delisting's next year with it unlikely that Bob, Moz and MBoyd going on to 2018.

Yep. If Rourke & Lynch get upgraded then we can look at 6 out going players to upgrade them and use 1st & 2nd rounders, our upgraded 3rd rounder and our downgraded 5th rounder.

[Axe Man]

Yep. If Rourke & Lynch get upgraded then we can look at 6 out going players to upgrade them and use 1st & 2nd rounders, our upgraded 3rd rounder and our downgraded 5th rounder.

It's likely there will be no rookie list after next season, just an extended primary list, so the rookies will either be included on the primary list or delisted I imagine.

[KT31]

It's likely there will be no rookie list after next season, just an extended primary list, so the rookies will either be included on the primary list or delisted I imagine.

Would this mean each team will have to delist three players still or will they reduce the number for one season ?

[bulldogtragic]

Don't know if you want to sticky it somewhere mods.

Luke Beveridge: 2020

Jason Johannisen: 2017
Josh Dunkley: 2017
Liam Picken: 2017
Stew Crameri: 2017
Lukas Webb: 2017
Bailey Dale: 2017
Bailey Williams: 2017
Kieran Collins: 2017
Marcus Adams: 2017
Fletcher Roberts: 2017
Mitch Honeychurch: 2017
Declan Hamilton: 2017
Bradley Lynch: 2017 (Rookie)
Clay Smith: 2017 (History of LTI)
Dale Morris: 2017 (30's)
Jack Redpath: 2017 (Coming off LTI again)
Josh Prudden: 2017 (Rookie & Comng off LTI)
Matthew Boyd: 2017 (30's)
Bob Murphy: 2017 (30's)
Roarke Smith: 2017 (Rookie)

Jackson Macrae: 2018
Jake Stringer: 2018
Easton Wood: 2018
Travis Cloke: 2018
Jordan Roughead: 2018
Lin Jong: 2018
Luke Dahl: 2018
Matthew Suckling: 2018
Mitch Wallis: 2018
Shane Biggs: 2018
Tom Liberatore: 2018
Tom Campbell: 2018
Tory Dickson: 2018
Zaine Cordy: 2018
Tim English: 2018
Patrick Lipinski: 2018
Lewis Young: 2018
Fergus Greene: 2018

Marcus Bontempelli: 2019
Lachie Hunter: 2019
Toby McLean: 2019
Caleb Daniel: 2019

Tom Boyd: 2021

Updated with Daniel signing.

[Twodogs]

Anyone want to have a go at prioritising the Class of 2017 re-signings?

I can start you off with:

1. Jason Johanissen

Then the choice is between Crameri, Adams, Dunkley, Picken. Bailey Williams then Lukas Webb then Kieren Collins then Bailey Dale. Murphy, Morris and Boyd.

And still there's more. Redpath and Smith both with significant knee issues would be in the first list otherwise. Hamilton and Honeychutch are decent depth players with good skill but how necessary are they? That leaves Brad Lynch and Josh Prudden. Don't know much about Lynch but Prudden can read the play well and can play senior footy and seems to be in our plans because we kept him around the place. I must have left somebody off? I didn't start out to write an essay, just to nominate JJ as Number One in Importance.


Gee we have a good, healthy list of players, we might have to enter two teams just to make sure everyone gets a game! It's going to be a big year.

[bornadog]

Gee we have a good, healthy list of players, we might have to enter two teams just to make sure everyone gets a game!

That's why we won two premierships last year. :)

[Twodogs]

That's why we won two premierships last year. :)


Oh yeah.

[Mantis]

And still there's more. Redpath and Smith both with significant knee issues would be in the first list otherwise. Hamilton and Honeychutch are decent depth players with good skill but how necessary are they? That leaves Brad Lynch and Josh Prudden. Don't know much about Lynch but Prudden can read the play well and can play senior footy and seems to be in our plans because we kept him around the place. I must have left somebody off? I didn't start out to write an essay, just to nominate JJ as Number One in Importance.



He is one player I will be watching closely this year... Was a big improver through the 2nd half of 2016 and has some serious tricks.

[Twodogs]

He is one player I will be watching closely this year... Was a big improver through the 2nd half of 2016 and has some serious tricks.

It's that stage of our lists development where I tend to lose track of which Bailey and Lynch and Williams is which. They all just sort of Coelesce into one mass and some come out the other end good players and some get lost along the way.

[bulldogtragic]

He is one player I will be watching closely this year... Was a big improver through the 2nd half of 2016 and has some serious tricks.

Made the final of the grand final sprint too from memory. Seriously fast kid with those tricks you mention. I hope his trajectory keeps n it's rise.

[SlimPickens]

He is one player I will be watching closely this year... Was a big improver through the 2nd half of 2016 and has some serious tricks.

A lot to like about Lynch, excellent both sides of the body and can kick a long ball. Lindsay Gilbee type for me, hopefully will continue to develop and maybe see some senior action this year.

[LostDoggy]

I want to see Dad come on so he can free up Zaine to be a floating, swingman,forward enforcer.

[Twodogs]

I want to see Dad come on so he can free up Zaine to be a floating, swingman,forward enforcer.


Yep. Got a problem at either end of the ground? Zaine'll fix it.

[Ozza]

From what I've heard about Collins recently, my understanding is that the coaches see him as being another year away from senior footy.

[bornadog]

From what I've heard about Collins recently, my understanding is that the coaches see him as being another year away from senior footy.

Still very young at 19 years old, so I am not surprised. Won't be 20 till the end of the year (14 December)

[Twodogs]

Still very young at 19 years old, so I am not surprised. Won't be 20 till the end of the year (14 December)

Yeah, he looks like a grown up but he's just a kid.

[Twodogs]

From what I've heard about Collins recently, my understanding is that the coaches see him as being another year away from senior footy.

Are they happy with his progress?

[GVGjr]

From what I've heard about Collins recently, my understanding is that the coaches see him as being another year away from senior footy.

I tend to think that is right. He was always going to need a longer term apprenticeship before being ready

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

What are the reasons behind the belief he's a year off being ready. Surely not from a physical perspective?

[bulldogtragic]

I tend to think that is right. He was always going to need a longer term apprenticeship before being ready

45 surgeries since his last game wouldn't help either. I like our young talls have some time with Cloke saying he wants to play passed his 2 years and Moz wanting to play next year. Plus Tom Boyd is coming into a green patch hopefully, with Cordy & Roberts too. With 6 or 7 tall kids, we just need to hope 2 or 3 really come on. As per our other posts, a good mature ruck or good mature defender in trade or free agency wouldn't hurt either.

[Hotdog60]

Dogs speedster Johannisen puts contract talks on hold

REIGNING Norm Smith medallist Jason Johannisen has put contract talks with the Western Bulldogs on hold until the end of the season.
Johannisen's manager, Tim Galic of SMA Sports Agents, told AFL.com.au on Tuesday there had been no movement in his recent talks with the Bulldogs, with the parties remaining a long way apart over the terms of a new contract.
Given this impasse, Galic said he had told the Bulldogs he wanted to discontinue negotiations until the end of the season.
Johannisen is due to come out of contract at the end of 2017, but will be one year shy of qualifying for free agency.*!
Some club sources believe the West Australian is seeking up to $700,000 a season to re-sign with the Bulldogs.*!
He did not do his cause any harm with a blazing performance against Collingwood in round one, when he finished with 30 possessions and two goals to earn eight votes in the AFLCA award.*!
The 24-year-old has emerged as one of the AFL's most explosive rebounding defenders in recent seasons and would appeal to any club looking to bolster its run off half-back.
AFL.com.au contacted the Bulldogs but did not receive a response.
Johannisen finished sixth in the Bulldogs' best and fairest award in a breakthrough 2015 season, then followed that with a 10th placing last season despite missing nine games with injury.
Johannisen was one of the Bulldogs' stars in their fairytale 2016 finals campaign, averaging almost 25 possessions across the four games.
He shone brightest on the biggest stage, running Sydney ragged in the Grand Final to finish with 33 possessions, nine inside 50s and seven rebound 50s. He polled 10 of a possible 15 votes in the Norm Smith Medal to win by two from Swans midfielder Josh Kennedy.*!
Johannisen joined the Bulldogs at pick No.39 in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft at the end of 2010, and made his debut in round 19, 2012.
He has since played 65 games and kicked 20 goals.

LINK (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-28/dogs-speedster-jason-johannisen-puts-contract-talks-on-hold)

[bulldogtragic]

Booooo.

Enter Barrett.

[chef]

$700k............hes dreamin.

[bulldogtragic]

$700k............hes dreamin.

I would think so, unless the subtext is also seeing what the CBA increase is and then maybe with that it gets close. Although if he wants back to WA and Freo want him, we can take Fyffe for his salary offer and our salary cap banking.

[G-Mo77]

$700k............hes dreamin.

Not sure, what's the market like now? Is there a comparison to a similar player? His stock is sky high right now so the cheque books and silver tongues will be out in full force.

[chef]

I guess it may come down to his character, take a bit less and play in a successful era or fill the bank account while he can.

Which one is he?

[bulldogtragic]

I guess it may come down to his character, take a bit less and play in a successful era or fill the bank account while he can.

Which one is he?

I blame Brad Johnson. If he gave Tom Boyd 3 & JJ 1 vote in the Norm Smith voting, the reverse of what he actually did, Tom Boyd wins the Norm Smith and JJ's manager isn't shopping a 'Norm Smith medallist' around. Bloody Johno. :D

[Bulldog4life]

$700k............hes dreamin.

Yes I would have thought about $500,000 to 550,000 would have got the deal done. According to Mark Stevens his manager, who happens to be in WA, is not an easy guy to deal with.

[GVGjr]

A bit of a turnaround from him wanting to get the deal done just a few weeks back and now he apparently wants to wait until the end of the season. There must be a bit more to this story that hasn't been made public

[bulldogtragic]

Yes I would have thought about $500,000 to 550,000 would have got the deal done. According to Mark Stevens his manager, who happens to be in WA, is not an easy guy to deal with.

If you look at the Dangerfield trade, after Adelaide wanted more than the free agency offer, it will resemble Freo/Fyfe if he wants out. If Freo want the best offer for Fyfe, then JJ and a swap of picks represents a good offer. The apparent value of Fyfe is around $1,200,000 which we would have with the $800,000 for 5 years we had on the table for Hurley plus the $500,000 a season for 4 years we would've expected for JJ.

Rumours around St Kilda are going to go at free agency with a similar dollar offer around $1,200,000. And Fyfe is willing to move to Victoria. But Freo can simply match the offer. If we have a ready made gun that may want to WA and the willingness to trade big again, we could be in the race despite our preference to re-sign JJ. Or, if they finish low they could take the FA compo and trade straight for JJ. Who knows? All we know is JJ is not inking anything for, at best, 6 months or not at all. Best we explore all options so we don't get tunnel vision like with Hurley, and losing Hamling.

Can Lynch, Williams, Roarke, Dale & Webb cover him somewhat, while we gain in the midfield/forward?

[Webby]

Puts a different slant on the interview he gave to SEN on Saturday when he went into detail about barracking for Freo as a kid and having Pav, Bell, Farmer etc. as his favourite players.

Remember thinking to myself "if I didn't know he loved our club and was keen to sign ASAP, I'd think this sounds a bit like a 'come and get me, Freo!'"

I'm beginning to tire of these West Australian players.. I've been to Perth a few times and must be missing something about the apparent appeal...

[bornadog]

I think this needs to be resolved sooner rather than later.

[1eyedog]

Yep end of the season tells me he has a massive offer on the table. Gone...

[bulldogtragic]

I think this needs to be resolved sooner rather than later.

If he and his manager are not talking to JMac, how does it get resolved?

[1eyedog]

If he and his manager are not talking to JMac, how does it get resolved?

To come out and say I'm not talking about it until the end of the year is very concerning. Two weeks ago he wanted to work with the club to come to a deal. I hope we havent low balled him like the Ward fiasco but refusing to renegotiate after seasons end always ends in trouble. He would already have half a dozen offers on his manager's desk.

[bulldogtragic]

To come out and say I'm not talking about it until the end of the year is very concerning. Two weeks ago he wanted to work with the club to come to a deal. I hope we havent low balled him like the Ward fiasco but refusing to renegotiate after seasons end always ends in trouble. He would already have half a dozen offers on his manager's desk.

That's pessimistic. With his unhappiness hitting the news, he's got 18 offers and he's said no to ours. Plan A is re-signing him as soon as we can. We need to formulate a Plan B in the event he wants out of a dynasty, and get a very good player in return.

[Danny the snakeman]

I've been to Perth a few times and must be missing something about the apparent appeal...

The weather and no Apex.

[G-Mo77]

Yep end of the season tells me he has a massive offer on the table. Gone...

Possibly but still if there is a massive offer is it good list management to pay a HBF $700+ per season? I've followed JJ closley his whole career and would be devastated if he left but you have to ask: Is he worth that much?

[1eyedog]

Possibly but still if there is a massive offer is it good list management to pay a HBF $700+ per season? I've followed JJ closley his whole career and would be devastated if he left but you have to ask: Is he worth that much?

Not for mine. If his foot was elite then maybe.

[bulldogtragic]

Afl.com.au - last month:

ROSS Lyon is comfortable with where Fremantle's contract negotiations with Nat Fyfe sit, despite conceding the star midfielder's impending free agency status will invite speculation as long as he remains out of contract.

Fyfe is the crown jewel in this year's free agency pool and has already been linked to Carlton, among other Victorian clubs.

The 25-year-old will attract rival offers of considerably more than $1 million a season should he choose to test his market value.

But Lyon told AFL.com.au conjecture about Fyfe's future would not be a distraction for Fremantle in 2017, saying he accepted a player now had the right to explore his options under free agency.

"I think it's reality, I think it generates news, it generates interest and it's going to be an on-going narrative, one that I'm not going to comment on," Lyon said.

"You see it at other clubs … we can't control it and at the end of the day every player is entitled to source the market, make a decision and move on.

"It's not something I can control. All we can do is provide the best environment and (ensure) that the player sees that they can become what they want to become, and it's commercially viable because at the end of the day it's a profession for them.

"It's not something I sit around and mull about it. I just do what I can do and I've experienced it before. There have been lots of great players that have been out of contract, but I let the cobblers do the cobbling.

"That's between Nat, his manager and the club, and whether they do it at round one, round 26 or in the off-season it's not for me.

"But the speculation is going to be there all year."

Asked specifically whether he was comfortable with where things sat with Fyfe, Lyon said: "Well, yeah. We're all passing through, we're all passing through. Nothing is forever."

However, the Dockers coach was quick to point out when Fyfe's contract status was raised that he would be a restricted, and not an unrestricted, free agent.

"There's a big difference," he said, alluding to the fact Fremantle will have the right to match any rival offers for Fyfe.

[bulldogtragic]

Fyfe & JJ waiting the year out. Both linked to the other's state. Both clubs have the salary cap if both those players move. Freo in particular could do very well if it finishes low and forces a favourable trade in addition to FA compo.

The last time things like this lined up, Tom Boyd & Gryphone swapped clubs, states and fit each team's salary cap. Feels a little the same to me, I felt that very early.

[G-Mo77]

Anyway I'm not going to jump at the first shadow I see. I'm confident he'll stay.

[Danny the snakeman]

Sounds promising. Adams keen to stay.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/marcus-adams-keen-to-resign-with-western-bulldogs-only-months-after-considering-trade/news-story/d615073f09d60e15d15d9cb518ae28b8

[kruder]

If you were at the game on Friday night 700K doesn't seem too far fetched for JJ. He was brilliant, really disappointing we haven't got it done yet.

[KT31]

Sounds promising. Adams keen to stay.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/marcus-adams-keen-to-resign-with-western-bulldogs-only-months-after-considering-trade/news-story/d615073f09d60e15d15d9cb518ae28b8

Two way street, he needs to get on the park and play some good football.

[chef]

If you were at the game on Friday night 700K doesn't seem too far fetched for JJ. He was brilliant, really disappointing we haven't got it done yet.

Problem is we give JJ 700k and we'll have a dozen or so similar talented players wanting the same.

[ledge]

Problem is we give JJ 700k and we'll have a dozen or so similar talented players wanting the same.

He has a norm smith medal in his favour though, his profile has risen dramatically as a use for sponsors and his footy is getting better.
A great chance Morris Boyd and Murphy will be gone next year. we be mad to let him go.
I have no doubt he wants to stay but managers trying to get the best deal.
The problem is how big is the difference others will offer .. This free agency and restricted free agency along with a salary cap is supposed to even up the competition not take away icons of clubs and restrict a way of paying off debt.
Lets face it JJ could be a commercial dream and huge advertisement for the club like the Bont is plastered everywhere at the moment.

[Bulldog4life]

I remember how JJ used to say his family over here was Stringer, wife and kids. He was very close to them. Now that family has broken up I wonder how JJ feels.

[bornadog]

I remember how JJ used to say his family over here was Stringer, wife and kids. He was very close to them. Now that family has broken up I wonder how JJ feels.
Better get him a family. Nice Melbourne girl to start with

[chef]

He has a norm smith medal in his favour though, his profile has risen dramatically as a use for sponsors and his footy is getting better.
A great chance Morris Boyd and Murphy will be gone next year. we be mad to let him go.
I have no doubt he wants to stay but managers trying to get the best deal.
The problem is how big is the difference others will offer .. This free agency and restricted free agency along with a salary cap is supposed to even up the competition not take away icons of clubs and restrict a way of paying off debt.
Lets face it JJ could be a commercial dream and huge advertisement for the club like the Bont is plastered everywhere at the moment.

We cant give him a huge contract on the back of one game though, a game which most of us thought he wasnt the BOG. We still have to have a wage structure that allows us to keep 'all' our players happy and have a successful/strong side.

If an individual wants more they we can afford than i hope we help them on their way, no matter who it is. Team comes first.

[Sedat]

I think this needs to be resolved sooner rather than later.
Not bothered by the delay to be honest. I just want him to do the best he can this year and hopefully win another Norm Smith and premiership. In any event it is out of our control if his management want to wait until season's end, which is their absolute right. Can't blame him at all for wanting to wait until the end of the season before making a decision - it is the way of the modern era now.

Worst case scenario is that he requests a trade at the end of the year - we will get a very nice future return on our speculative 2010 rookie pick investment. I much prefer we keep him and hope this happens.

[soupman]

From his pov what's the benefit to signing now?

If he waits to the end of the season, barring some freak injury his value is only going to go up. It gives him the ability to play off the highest offers he has received against eachother, and he can really weigh up his options and how he feels about changing clubs.

I'd prefer he was already signed up, but he absolutely has every right to get the most out of his next contract. And having said all that, we are still in the box seat.

[Ozza]

From his pov what's the benefit to signing now?

If he waits to the end of the season, barring some freak injury his value is only going to go up. It gives him the ability to play off the highest offers he has received against eachother, and he can really weigh up his options and how he feels about changing clubs.

I'd prefer he was already signed up, but he absolutely has every right to get the most out of his next contract. And having said all that, we are still in the box seat.

While I don't disagree with this, I will say - that by putting off contract talks, he does put more pressure on himself to perform this season. Some players have handled the year long speculation well, others haven't.

[always right]

Better get him a family. Nice Melbourne girl to start with

He's a player we can't afford to lose as he is probably the only one with genuine leg speed who can break the lines. I'm willing to offer up my 23 year old daughter to keep JJ in Melbourne. She's attractive and a fanatical Bulldogs member. Who should I contact at the club?

[KT31]

If you were at the game on Friday night 700K doesn't seem too far fetched for JJ. He was brilliant, really disappointing we haven't got it done yet.

$700K for JJ, then what is The Bonts worth ?

[KT31]

He's a player we can't afford to lose as he is probably the only one with genuine leg speed who can break the lines. I'm willing to offer up my 23 year old daughter to keep JJ in Melbourne. She's attractive and a fanatical Bulldogs member. Who should I contact at the club?

She will also need to have excellent sporting attributes for future Father/ Son or Daughter selections.:)

[Topdog]

$700K for JJ, then what is The Bonts worth ?

Can anyone tell me what heath Shaw is on? I'm sure JJ management will be putting that as the benchmark.

Important to remember here we are dealing with his management and not him at this stage

[bulldogtragic]

Can anyone tell me what heath Shaw is on? I'm sure JJ management will be putting that as the benchmark.

Important to remember here we are dealing with his management and not him at this stage

He's on overs because they had a larger salary cap. It's a skewed number in reality, but I get what you mean.

[KT31]

Can anyone tell me what heath Shaw is on? I'm sure JJ management will be putting that as the benchmark.

Important to remember here we are dealing with his management and not him at this stage

Don't know but its certainly a lot stronger than coffee.:D

[Mantis]

He's on overs because they had a larger salary cap. It's a skewed number in reality, but I get what you mean.

They also had a larger number of players on their list.

[1eyedog]

I'm over it, shocking timing makes me angry. We start Round 1 as the reigning premiers with a win against Collingwood and then a shit pops its head out. Seriously the guy was good during the Grand Final but gee wizz he butchered it. I don't think he is worth anywhere near 700k, not with the way he kicks it and obviously the club doesn't either.

The open market will ultimately determine his worth but really we pulled him out of nowhere as a rookie so he of all players should be prepared to give a bit back. If you're not happy with the club's offer at least direct your manager to get back to work on it rather than slap the club across the face with a not deciding until the end of the year line. That's the easy way and the club deserves more transparency for the chance it gave you at the start.

Of course he'll field offers through the season but that's what you pay your manager for. I would have preferred a more tactful approach rather than placing the club under pressure internally as well as to start up a 'Dogs can't keep their post-premiership stars' narrative externally. It's going to annoy the shit out of me all season.

[Greystache]

My understanding is the major hold up with JJ is his management. His manager is a very very small time player who has virtually no experience in player management or AFL contract negotiation. He's been very difficult to deal with and the perception is he sees this as an opportunity to build his profile and make a name for himself in the view to becoming a part-time player manager, so is trying to drag it out and make it as public as possible.

He's Perth based so must be a family friend or something, but it makes it really difficult when players sign on with these small time managers who don't know what they're doing. Hopefully JJ makes the sensible decision and gets competent management soon so this can be locked away, otherwise this will be drawn out and quite distracting.

[Mofra]

Problem is we give JJ 700k and we'll have a dozen or so similar talented players wanting the same.
Who?
Bonti and ????

We are losing Boyd, Morris and Murphy over the next two seasons and the salary cap is increasing - we should be able to find enough or go very close to it.

[always right]

The open market will ultimately determine his worth but really we pulled him out of nowhere as a rookie so he of all players should be prepared to give a bit back. If you're not happy with the club's offer at least direct your manager to get back to work on it rather than slap the club across the face with a not deciding until the end of the year line. That's the easy way and the club deserves more transparency for the chance it gave you at the start.

This always amuses me. We didn't rookie list him to be nice.....we did so because we saw potential. He owes us nothing other than to give us everything he's got out on the field......and nobody could argue he hasn't upheld his end of the bargain.

If we end up paying slightly overs for him, so be it. He has attributes we don't have in any other player on our list. I don't want to lose him.

Not ideal that he's put off contract negotiations but it's commonplace nowadays. Players will do what is best for their own long term future.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

We certainly have the cap space to pay him what he wants. But it's about fitting all our important players in. Remember we were offering Hurley a hefty sum last year which hasn't been used. The money is there but the club is being responsible to ensure we retain all our stars. JJ seems like a fair bloke and team player. Just not sure he's listening to the right people. Hopefully a deal gets done as I'd hate to lose him. But if it's him vs 2 other stars, then we'll have to let him go. No one is bigger than the club

[The Pie Man]

This always amuses me. We didn't rookie list him to be nice.....we did so because we saw potential. He owes us nothing other than to give us everything he's got out on the field......and nobody could argue he hasn't upheld his end of the bargain.

If we end up paying slightly overs for him, so be it. He has attributes we don't have in any other player on our list. I don't want to lose him.

Not ideal that he's put off contract negotiations but it's commonplace nowadays. Players will do what is best for their own long term future.

Untried, but Brad Lynch has similarities.

Would hate to lose JJ though.

[Webby]

This always amuses me. We didn't rookie list him to be nice.....we did so because we saw potential. He owes us nothing other than to give us everything he's got out on the field......and nobody could argue he hasn't upheld his end of the bargain.

If we end up paying slightly overs for him, so be it. He has attributes we don't have in any other player on our list. I don't want to lose him.

Not ideal that he's put off contract negotiations but it's commonplace nowadays. Players will do what is best for their own long term future.

Although I agree with you, JJ made the statement himself. "Club had faith in me when no one else did, want to repay the faith and sign ASAP etc."

For me, the agent's probably just a pain in the arse. Doing what managers do. Holding out for an extra $300-$400k over the length of the contract and pocketing his commission. Only thing is, he damages the player's standing and 'brand' in the process.

[SlimPickens]

My understanding is the major hold up with JJ is his management. His manager is a very very small time player who has virtually no experience in player management or AFL contract negotiation. He's been very difficult to deal with and the perception is he sees this as an opportunity to build his profile and make a name for himself in the view to becoming a part-time player manager, so is trying to drag it out and make it as public as possible.

He's Perth based so must be a family friend or something, but it makes it really difficult when players sign on with these small time managers who don't know what they're doing. Hopefully JJ makes the sensible decision and gets competent management soon so this can be locked away, otherwise this will be drawn out and quite distracting.

If this is the case, surely the AFLPA should step in and tell this bloke to pull his head in. You'd imagine the media would be all over something like this.

[always right]

Untried, but Brad Lynch has similarities.

Would hate to lose JJ though.

I should have said "proven attributes at senior level".

[Webby]

One other thing I'd add is that, on an open market, JJ could probably get $800k p.a. If he wanted to go and work at a company for less success, enjoyment and fulfilment. Not to mention a sh1t boss.

He could burn his legacy with us and get $800k p.a., kiss goodbye to finals footy in the prime of his career and ply his trade at Norf or Freo. He could trade in a great boss for a sh1t one. (Brad Scott and Ross Lyon are no Beveridge!)

Reality's set in for Hamling on the weekend - although his reasons were more admirable than a greedy agent.

I think a good number of us can all relate to a 20% increased offer to go to a rival company with a poorer standing, culture and potentially awful manager.... However most of us don't have an agent whispering dollars and nothing else in our ear...

Hopefully JJ sees what he's got with the Dogs. I think he will. This is just the way of the modern world.

[comrade]

Nothing better than watching JJ get the pill and burst away. But you can't overpay in this competition.

I think he's going to have an unbelievable year and will be a critical piece of Bevo's retooled game plan. Best case scenario is he helps us go back to back and is prepared to take slight unders to keep the band together.

If money is the deciding factor and he leaves, I hope he generates a massive bidding war rather than nominating one club. I hate when players do that.

[chef]

Who?
Bonti and ????

We are losing Boyd, Morris and Murphy over the next two seasons and the salary cap is increasing - we should be able to find enough or go very close to it.

Hunter, Dickson, Macrae, Wood, Suckling, Dahlhaus, Stringer, Roughead, Liberatore, Wallis, Smith, Biggs, Picken etc they are all very good cogs in a very good machine. They may not want the same coin, but they'llsee him getting overs and think 'why not me?' too.

JJ is a very good player, but lets not get carried away and put him on a pedestal with Bonti.

[Mofra]

Hunter, Dickson, Macrae, Wood, Suckling, Dahlhaus, Stringer, Roughead, Liberatore, Wallis, Smith, Biggs, Picken etc they are all very good cogs in a very good machine.

JJ is a very good player, but lets not get carried away and put him on a pedestal with Bonti.
But you said "wanting the same" - which of those players is worth $700k?
Surely you're not suggesting all dozen of them are worth $700k but we should hold out on JJ.

[Remi Moses]

Seems to be more common now than ever before players waiting until seasons end .
Sounds bit like a manager wanting some publicity to me .

[chef]

But you said "wanting the same" - which of those players is worth $700k?
Surely you're not suggesting all dozen of them are worth $700k but we should hold out on JJ.

JJ is not worth 700k imo , just like those others arent.

They'll be wanting the same which is 'overs' just like JJ. Doesnt mean itll be the exact same dollars.

Im not sure I'd have him in our best 5, i guess it depends on form. TBH hes probs asking for 200k more than hes worth, are we going to bend over for everyone wanting overs?

[Bulldog4life]

I read too where his Manager has postponed talks. Not JJ. Wonder how JJ really feels about it. A 180 degree turn about from what he said last week.

[Rocket Science]

Agreed the Bont-level chat is fanciful, but JJ's attributes are unique league-wide, let alone club-wide....and there's more obvious improvement in him.

Remember the effect his absence had on our back-to-forward transitions last season? We coped, with varying degrees of success but it was uglier and much harder work.

I wouldn't hesitate plonking him in our top-five paid. He deserves to be there.

[Mofra]

JJ is not worth 700k imo , just like those others arent.

They'll be wanting the same which is 'overs' just like JJ. Doesnt mean itll be the exact same dollars.

Im not sure I'd have him in our best 5, i guess it depends on form. TBH hes probs asking for 200k more than hes worth, are we going to bend over for everyone wanting overs?
Who said anything about bending over?
I don't think JJ is of equivalent importance to a dozen other players as you claim, he's one of the most important players on our list and should end up with a contract that reflects that.

I'm not panicking yet either, I still expect on the balance of probabilities that a deal will get done.

[chef]

Who said anything about bending over?
I don't think JJ is of equivalent importance to a dozen other players as you claim, he's one of the most important players on our list and should end up with a contract that reflects that.

I'm not panicking yet either, I still expect on the balance of probabilities that a deal will get done.

To me, paying him 700k would be getting bent over. Maybe i just dont rate him as highly as you do.

I do agree that sanity will prevail and a deal will get done at a reasonable price.

[Mofra]

To me, paying him 700k would be getting bent over. Maybe i just dont rate him as highly as you do.

I do agree that sanity will prevail and a deal will get done at a reasonable price.
We don't really know what the manager actually wants - he could be after a bigger slice of the marketing allowance ($500k pa as set by the AFL) to boost his profile given he has started at least one business in Melbourne and contract length can be just as big a sticking point as overall size.

We should thank Essendon if we manage to sign everyone anyways - they kicked in Crammers' contract last year so we were actually below the cap in a premiership year!

[1eyedog]

This always amuses me. We didn't rookie list him to be nice.....we did so because we saw potential. He owes us nothing other than to give us everything he's got out on the field......and nobody could argue he hasn't upheld his end of the bargain.

If we end up paying slightly overs for him, so be it. He has attributes we don't have in any other player on our list. I don't want to lose him.

Not ideal that he's put off contract negotiations but it's commonplace nowadays. Players will do what is best for their own long term future.

Frame it anyway that amuses you. JJ would be DJing in Fremantle for 50k per annum if it wasn't for us.

[1eyedog]

JJ is not worth 700k imo , just like those others arent.

They'll be wanting the same which is 'overs' just like JJ. Doesnt mean itll be the exact same dollars.

Im not sure I'd have him in our best 5, i guess it depends on form. TBH hes probs asking for 200k more than hes worth, are we going to bend over for everyone wanting overs?

I put up up thread a few weeks ago re. our best five players and I don't think anyone chose JJ.

[FrediKanoute]

I put up up thread a few weeks ago re. our best five players and I don't think anyone chose JJ.

Probably because as fans we don't really appreciate then importance speed and line breaking ability brings. Right now my top 5 on out out and potential are:

Bontempelli
JJ
McRae
Libby
Dahlhaus

[Rocket Science]

I put up up thread a few weeks ago re. our best five players and I don't think anyone chose JJ.

Errr


Best?

Bontempelli
Stringer
Toyd
Liberatore
Dahlhaus

Or most vital to us?

Bontempelli
Liberatore
Wood
Dahlhaus
Johannisen

Call me a fanboi.

[1eyedog]

Probably because as fans we don't really appreciate then importance speed and line breaking ability brings. Right now my top 5 on out out and potential are:

Bontempelli
JJ
McRae
Libby
Dahlhaus

With the exception of the Hawthorn game he had a very good finals series but has he done it for long enough consistently enough?

[ledge]

Just to confirm he will stay at the dogs despite speculation, this from today ...
Western Bulldogs defender Jason Johannisen wants to stay at the club despite contract talks being put on hold until the end of the season.

My management and the club are talking - I want to be at the Bulldogs".

"They've given an opportunity to myself that I never thought could happen and I just want to repay the faith".

[ledge]

Sounds like his manager is shopping around and he just contacted him and said no I'm staying I'm not interested in moving, just get me the best you can here.

[Go_Dogs]

Not losing sleep over this one yet, but if he continues to play this well for the balance of the year we may need to up the ante a little.

[Bulldog4life]

I heard Stringer on the news tonight saying he thought JJ would stay.

[Webby]

Just to confirm he will stay at the dogs despite speculation, this from today ...
Western Bulldogs defender Jason Johannisen wants to stay at the club despite contract talks being put on hold until the end of the season.

My management and the club are talking - I want to be at the Bulldogs".

"They've given an opportunity to myself that I never thought could happen and I just want to repay the faith".

If that is the case, then why on earth would a player not want the security of a contract. His approach effectively means that if JJ were to suffer a career ending injury in the next 26 weeks, he's exposed. As it is, he's completely un-secured...

If he does genuinely want to stay, then his manager's a complete knob who's bluffing. What's more, he's risking JJ's welfare. JJ should remind both himself and his agent that JJ has a lot more on the line than the agent does...

[bulldogsthru&thru]

If that is the case, then why on earth would a player not want the security of a contract. His approach effectively means that if JJ were to suffer a career ending injury in the next 26 weeks, he's exposed. As it is, he's completely un-secured...

If he does genuinely want to stay, then his manager's a complete knob who's bluffing. What's more, he's risking JJ's welfare. JJ should remind both himself and his agent that JJ has a lot more on the line than the agent does...
That quote from JJ is a month old

[1eyedog]

JJ saying he wants to stay and Stringer saying he thinks he'll stay is the party line. JJ is testing the open market allowing his manager to broadcast the fact he's not signing till the end of the year. His perogative but mark my words the opposition will come hard and put forward an offer that will be 'too good to refuse'. As Webby says though if he cops a serious injury this year his offers will take a significant downturn

If he helps win another flag and we get something good I'll wish him well. .

[Bulldog4life]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/afl-landscape-has-changed-forever-as-players-happy-to-hold-out-on-new-contracts/news-story/1ea1640459ad1c622f7d961481c2ce73

AFL landscape has changed forever as players happy to hold out on new contracts

WELCOME to the new normal.

A new paradigm where all the usual notions of loyalty and flying under the radar have been rejected by the AFL’s stars.

We suspected the football world had irrevocably changed but it was confirmed beyond doubt by Jason Johannisen on Tuesday.

Across half a dozen radio and TV interviews this summer the Dogs defender had pledged his undying loyalty to the club that took him in the 2011 rookie draft.

And yet with the Dogs and his management well apart on that new contract, his manager told the Herald Sun the deal was on hold until season’s end.

Just four days into the AFL season.

Extraordinary.

If that isn’t Jerry Maguire’s mantra filtering into the AFL system as Rod Tidwell screams “show me the money!” how else can we interpret it?

It would shock the Bulldogs if “JJ” actually left, but if he can’t cash in on his Norm Smith Medal he will scare the club into making them think he might.

He is seen to want full tote odds — the market says he could get $800,000 elsewhere — so why accept maybe $600,000 a season at his existing club?


Once a premiership was seen to bond players with a lifelong commitment and at least guarantee a season of goodwill.

Yet just 15 days after Luke Beveridge selected Joel Hamling in the Western Bulldogs premiership side the key defender left to join Fremantle.

Once we would have accused him of being a football mercenary but instead we didn’t blink an eye.

When a rival offers you $1.3 million over three years it’s just seen as good business to cash in on a lucrative rival offer.

Johannisen is joined by free agents Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe in delaying talks while they extract every possible dollar from new deals.

Yet if you think Johannisen, Fyfe or Martin will be distracted by months of contract discussions you don’t know Generation Me.

In between working hard on the track over summer Johannisen put in hours considering a new hair cut, a thatch of white hair also designed for maximum shock value.

The inspiration was NFL wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr, known for bizarre sideline antics including proposing to a practice net he had inadvertently kicked over the previous week.

If you think he wants to dodge the limelight you don’t know JJ.

If Dusty was afraid of people looking at him, he wouldn’t have tattoos on each side of his neck.

Martin believes if Fyfe and Dangerfield can wait on contracts so can he, and has already shown after Chopstick Gate and his father’s deportation to New Zealand his form is not affected.

The only problem with this brave new world is the rest of us haven’t caught up.

Now every Western Bulldogs player will be asked about Johannisen’s contract position, starting with captain Bob Murphy.

Already Damien Hardwick and Jack Riewoldt — twice — have had to answer for Dusty this week.

Presumably in a decade the practice will be so common we wonder why players like last week’s free agent signing Luke Breust hand over their leverage so early.

But right now we are stuck in the middle, aware players were handed these very rights yet still uncomfortable when they use them to full effect.

[The Pie Man]

I heard Stringer on the news tonight saying he thought JJ would stay.

I'm not convinced Stringer will stay beyond his current contract - based on his interview with Robbo for the little paper last year.

[Hotdog60]

Bevo concerned by Johannisen contract delay
WESTERN Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge has admitted he's concerned Norm Smith medallist Jason Johannisen has put contract negotiations on hold until season's end.*!
AFL.com.au reported on Tuesday the defensive playmaker's management and the Bulldogs were poles apart in discussions, and that the Johannisen camp wouldn't entertain further offers until the end of the season.*!
Beveridge revealed he had spoken to the 24-year-old about the stalemate, and had been assured by Johannisen that the former rookie wasn't looking to leave Whitten Oval.
"Yeah, (I am) a little bit (concerned)," Beveridge said on Thursday.
"I think the simple way to look at it is (Jason) has backed himself to have a great year, and leverage a contract for the future.
"It doesn't appear the lure of his (home) state (Western Australia) has anything to do with it.*!
"He wants to be a Bulldogs player, and that's encouraging.
"I take him at his word and he's a very honest person."*!

LINK (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-30/bevo-concerned-over-johannisen-contract-delay)

[Bulldog4life]

On Foxtel last night Jake Niall said that after the Tom Boyd contract that the doggies have taken a leaf out of the way Geelong has handled their contracts over the past years. That in order to keep the team together the players coming out of contract will have to accept unders.. The Club was very firm on this. He did mention that The Bont would be the exception. So if JJ wanted top dollar he would have to go elsewhere.

[Webby]

I'm not convinced Stringer will stay beyond his current contract - based on his interview with Robbo for the little paper last year.

Yeah I got that impression from that article, too... I guess luckily Jake took a zero off that contract since making that statement!

[comrade]

Yeah I got that impression from that article, too... I guess luckily Jake took a zero off that contract since making that statement!

He was getting financial advice from Adam Cooney at the time, who is well known as a lover of the folding stuff. I don't want to delve into salaciousness but it seems (based on social media) in the fallout of Stringer's relationship breakdown, his ex-partner is still very close with the Cooney family which may mean Adam isn't as big an influence on Jake anymore. Can only be a good thing if so.

[Happy Days]

I'm going to go the opposite way to what appears to be popular opinion and say we pay him.

We can retcon how good his finals series "actually" was, or how good his disposal "actually" is (it's really good btw), or claim that there's players on our list that far exceed him, but realistically he's a very unique, legitimate 80m player who is one of the most damaging gunners in the league (Shaw excluded he just might be #1, and he's definitely got him covered for pace). His game is in high demand around the league - look at what Geelong gave up for Zach Tuohy, a far lesser player of the same mould as JJ, who distinctly does not have a Norm Smith medal - and I honestly don't think $700k is that far off what his value is worth.

It's a nice thought that he should take less money just because he had the nerve to be drafted outside of the National Draft, but this is detached from reality. If we lose JJ we become a far worse side; could you say that about Hunter or Macrae? Pay the man.

[Topdog]

I think he is a great chance for the Brownlow too

[comrade]

I think he is a great chance for the Brownlow too

I agree and if he wins the Brownlow, just hand us the flag now!

I liked Bevo's comments on the situation today. He was upfront and said JJ is backing himself in to have a big year and earn top dollar, which we'd like to pay but we also have a list to manage.

This could turn into a win-win for us:

A) he has a huge year, wins the Brownlow, AA etc which means we finish high up the ladder, go deep in finals = him being paid top dollar either by us, or another team (reaping us a top draft pick if that's the case)
B) he doesn't quite hit the heights he was hoping & his inexperienced manager has to crawl back to us and accept a more realistic deal

[hujsh]

Just to confirm he will stay at the dogs despite speculation, this from today ...
Western Bulldogs defender Jason Johannisen wants to stay at the club despite contract talks being put on hold until the end of the season.

My management and the club are talking - I want to be at the Bulldogs".

"They've given an opportunity to myself that I never thought could happen and I just want to repay the faith".

Could be a quote from Hamling.

Supposedly the offer from Freo is 700K so we might have to at least get in the ballpark with our offer.

[GVGjr]

While I don't like the process this is going to be happening regularly.

As long as we get adequately compensated for his services if he is to depart then we can't complain too much.

[bornadog]

Peter Gordon on his 774 slot said that there is no way JJ is going anywhere and he will be signed up.

[Mofra]

It's the new landscape - any player than doesn't immediately commit creates a thousand rumours about wanting to leave.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Peter Gordon on his 774 slot said that there is no way JJ is going anywhere and he will be signed up.

Gordo can say that..and probably has to say that, but it does seem at odds with Bevo's & JJ's own management's statement.
What alarms me is if he does get the premium contract.. how does that sit with his teammates, many of whom -if they want to stay together - are going to have to agree to take less than full market value.
We simply won't be able to keep our stars in the team if they all expect market value.
I am a little disappointed in JJ's mindset, and it has the potential to be quite disruptive to the team first ethos that was the bedrock of their success last year.
hope he has a change of mind with some time to think through his priorities.

[1eyedog]

Gordo can say that..and probably has to say that, but it does seem at odds with Bevo's & JJ's own management's statement.
What alarms me is if he does get the premium contract.. how does that sit with his teammates, many of whom -if they want to stay together - are going to have to agree to take less than full market value.
We simply won't be able to keep our stars in the team if they all expect market value.
I am a little disappointed in JJ's mindset, and it has the potential to be quite disruptive to the team first ethos that was the bedrock of their success last year.
hope he has a change of mind with some time to think through his priorities.

Agreed. What if all our good players say I want to stay with the Dogs and keep the team together but I want an extra 100k per season?

[bulldogtragic]

Agreed. What if all our good players say I want to stay with the Dogs and keep the team together but I want an extra 100k per season?

If they all play to their potential, 22 of them get $30,000 for every premiership they win. If they want to back themselves in for more money, then they can start right here.

[bornadog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qauTFuu7SwI

[Webby]

I was just reflecting on last night's win against Sydney and saying to my wife "Everyone of them played well last night. No one was really down..."

Then I thought to myself, "Well, come to think of it, Johannisen was sub-par.."

Hopefully not the start of one of those "putting off contract talks" form dips..

[bornadog]

I was just reflecting on last night's win against Sydney and saying to my wife "Everyone of them played well last night. No one was really down..."

Then I thought to myself, "Well, come to think of it, Johannisen was sub-par.."

Hopefully not the start of one of those "putting off contract talks" form dips..

When he got run down, my mate said his value just dipped a few 100k

[Eastdog]

I hope JJ re-signs as he was very good again last night but now I think being premiers we are going to expect to be circled by the 'sharks' but will be dissapointed if he did go but if he did we need to get a bloody good offer in return.

[ledge]

When he got run down, my mate said his value just dipped a few 100k

Funny isn't it , they could do 50 things right in a game but do one thing wrong and that's how a player is remembered.
Just reflect on the gf he did a lot of things wrong but still won the norm smith . It's not always about the right and wrong things, it's about how you played for the team . His objective in the gf was obviously to get the ball as many metres forward as you can. Didn't seem to matter it went to the opposition a lot, the fact was they had to start again to bring it back all that way .

[bulldogtragic]

Sunday Footy Show on JJ:

Barrett: To get him out of the dogs, needed $750,000
Cornes: He's a $550,000 player
Lloyd: He's a $600,000 player

No one thinks he's worth the $750,000 allegedly required to get him to request a trade. I'd love to know what our offer was/is.

[bornadog]

Funny isn't it , they could do 50 things right in a game but do one thing wrong and that's how a player is remembered.
Just reflect on the gf he did a lot of things wrong but still won the norm smith . It's not always about the right and wrong things, it's about how you played for the team . His objective in the gf was obviously to get the ball as many metres forward as you can. Didn't seem to matter it went to the opposition a lot, the fact was they had to start again to bring it back all that way .

It was a joke.

[Bulldog4life]

Sunday Footy Show on JJ:

Barrett: To get him out of the dogs, needed $750,000
Cornes: He's a $550,000 player
Lloyd: He's a $600,000 player

No one thinks he's worth the $750,000 allegedly required to get him to request a trade. I'd love to know what our offer was/is.

I heard it was $550,000 on Fox footy.

[bulldogtragic]

I heard it was $550,000 on Fox footy.

Seems a decent offer, or at least close enough to do a deal if pushed for another $50,000 or an extra year. Seems to me like he's got a shit agent.

[Mantis]

Sunday Footy Show on JJ:

Barrett: To get him out of the dogs, needed $750,000
Cornes: He's a $550,000 player
Lloyd: He's a $600,000 player

No one thinks he's worth the $750,000 allegedly required to get him to request a trade. I'd love to know what our offer was/is.

Report on BF was that our initial offer was $1.6mil for 4 years... Seems we still have James Fantasia running the show.

[Mofra]

I hope JJ re-signs as he was very good again last night but now I think being premiers we are going to expect to be circled by the 'sharks' but will be dissapointed if he did go but if he did we need to get a bloody good offer in return.
We did get rid of Sevens and Hrovat and Hamling, all premiership teams seem to shed some fringe players and we're no different.

[Axe Man]

Tim English re-signs until the end of 2020 (http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2017-04-03/tim-english-resigns)

Ruckman Tim English is the latest Western Bulldogs player to put pen to paper, signing a two-year contract extension this week.

The West Australian will remain at the kennel until at least the end of 2020, an extension on his existing two-year draftee contract

Bulldogs List Manager Jason McCartney said the Club was pleased to retain the 19-year-old’s services.

“Tim was a highly-touted junior ruckman and we’ve been extremely impressed with his first six months at the Club.

“Not only has Tim settled in well and applied himself to his training, but he’s showed strong signs throughout the pre-season and demonstrates terrific attributes for a modern-day ruckman.”

English said he looked forward to continuing his development at the Bulldogs.

“It’s a huge thing the Club’s shown faith in me to firstly pick me in the draft, then to extend the contract.

“The Club’s been really welcoming and I’m looking to develop those relationships further.

“It does give you a little bit of confidence they see that your development is tracking pretty well… I’m just really looking forward (to the next few years).”

English was the Bulldogs first pick in the 2016 NAB AFL National Draft at number 19, recruited from the South Fremantle Football Club.

[bulldogtragic]

Extended with out playing a game. Timmy!

[bulldogtragic]

Report on BF was that our initial offer was $1.6mil for 4 years... Seems we still have James Fantasia running the show.

If that's true, then it's down right stupid and offensive to him. I would've thought $2M over 4 years would be good firm offer to see if he took a fair, quick deal like Hunter did last year. I'd be hoping that BF report was thin on fact.

[Topdog]

Sounds highly unlikely 400k a year for JJ.

Strange to sign up Timmy so quickly.

[bulldogtragic]

Sounds highly unlikely 400k a year for JJ.

Strange to sign up Timmy so quickly.

Not really, if we rate him then it's a great investment in the relationship. Also stops WA teams trying to get our WA guys to head back home, now to sign JJ and Adams...

[Webby]

Sounds highly unlikely 400k a year for JJ.

Strange to sign up Timmy so quickly.

The way West Australians like Hamling, Adams and JJ seem to be taking to the club, it's smart business to tie up a promising first round pick West Australian whilst the going's good!

English looks a definite player. Really impressed in the JLT. Great skills - particularly by foot - for his size and looks a natural footballer.

[Go_Dogs]

Good news re English.

[ratsmac]

Double post

[ratsmac]

English re-signs. Splendid old chap. Well young chap.

[bulldogtragic]

English re-signs. Splendid old chap. Well young chap.

Yep. The Dogs are like Spinal Tap, One of English's Loudest Fans.

[Webby]

Just dredging this Johannisen thing again. He's the player I'd probably want us to sign the most... oh, just behind Bontempelli, Dahlhaus, Hunter, Stringer, Wallis, Macrae and perhaps Roughead & Daniel...

Oh, and not to mention Wood - who has several years left in him...

So yeah, 7% or one-fourteenth of our salary cap on JJ isn't going to happen. It's a simple case of "do you want to be in a great side or not?"

The answer is, we'll help you get to the club of your choice and take the compensation pick.... Or, alternatively, pull your head in and meet us at the level we're offering. I think JJ will find that he can only get close to the numbers he wants from the far less attractive (and desperate) clubs with the cap space.

Even with the astronomical money (and Brownlow) that Ablett received for his move to GC, I still get the feeling that he's been unfulfilled and yearns for Geelong. He was loved at Geelong, whilst I'm not sure he's even particularly popular at Gold Coast! He could've played in another flag or two at Geelong, whilst Selwood and Dangerfield would be nothing but support acts in comparison to Ablett at Geelong - had he stayed.

Point is, money's not everything and I reckon Ablett's an example of a bloke who'd literally give up a couple of million to be back at Geelong - with the benefit of hindsight. As silly as it sounds, it's a painful lesson and you don't get the years back.

[mitch0418]

I've heard JJ doesn't want to go anywhere and was wanting to sign but his manager is trying to be big shot and jack up the price. I guess so his cut of the deal is more.

[Hotdog60]

Just dredging this Johannisen thing again. He's the player I'd probably want us to sign the most... oh, just behind Bontempelli, Dahlhaus, Hunter, Stringer, Wallis, Macrae and perhaps Roughead & Daniel...

Oh, and not to mention Wood - who has several years left in him...

So yeah, 7% or one-fourteenth of our salary cap on JJ isn't going to happen. It's a simple case of "do you want to be in a great side or not?"

The answer is, we'll help you get to the club of your choice and take the compensation pick.... Or, alternatively, pull your head in and meet us at the level we're offering. I think JJ will find that he can only get close to the numbers he wants from the far less attractive (and desperate) clubs with the cap space.

Even with the astronomical money (and Brownlow) that Ablett received for his move to GC, I still get the feeling that he's been unfulfilled and yearns for Geelong. He was loved at Geelong, whilst I'm not sure he's even particularly popular at Gold Coast! He could've played in another flag or two at Geelong, whilst Selwood and Dangerfield would be nothing but support acts in comparison to Ablett at Geelong - had he stayed.

Point is, money's not everything and I reckon Ablett's an example of a bloke who'd literally give up a couple of million to be back at Geelong - with the benefit of hindsight. As silly as it sounds, it's a painful lesson and you don't get the years back.
My Sister in law is a member of the Suns and involved with the cheer squad and her personally is not a fan.

[bulldogtragic]

Just dredging this Johannisen thing again. He's the player I'd probably want us to sign the most... oh, just behind Bontempelli, Dahlhaus, Hunter, Stringer, Wallis, Macrae and perhaps Roughead & Daniel...

Oh, and not to mention Wood - who has several years left in him...

So yeah, 7% or one-fourteenth of our salary cap on JJ isn't going to happen. It's a simple case of "do you want to be in a great side or not?"

The answer is, we'll help you get to the club of your choice and take the compensation pick.... Or, alternatively, pull your head in and meet us at the level we're offering. I think JJ will find that he can only get close to the numbers he wants from the far less attractive (and desperate) clubs with the cap space.

Even with the astronomical money (and Brownlow) that Ablett received for his move to GC, I still get the feeling that he's been unfulfilled and yearns for Geelong. He was loved at Geelong, whilst I'm not sure he's even particularly popular at Gold Coast! He could've played in another flag or two at Geelong, whilst Selwood and Dangerfield would be nothing but support acts in comparison to Ablett at Geelong - had he stayed.

Point is, money's not everything and I reckon Ablett's an example of a bloke who'd literally give up a couple of million to be back at Geelong - with the benefit of hindsight. As silly as it sounds, it's a painful lesson and you don't get the years back.

Warwick Capper said the same thing on his Open Mike episode, when quizzed about leaving and whether Buddy Franklin should leave for big dollars. Capper said he regretted moving for the big pay day, and if he had his time again he wouldn't make the move for (then) crazy money and would've stayed at Sydney for team success and good money. Also said that Buddy shouldn't leave Hawthorn either for the same reasons.

I'm all for people who want to extract every cent whilst playing, but if you value premierships and personal success and can get $800,000-$1,000,000 at your current club with the likelihood of success, if you invest the money really well then the extra cash shouldn't necessarily be the 'be all and end all'. But if you make the decision to leave for huge cash offerings, you need to make peace with yourself as the sole person whose signature appears on the contract. He doesn't seem to be at peace about the decision he made, and he won't get back to Geelong again. As a Christian follower, it's all 'God's plan' for him so he should accept that his lord works in mysterious ways (especially with those who have greed), but that The AFEL and AFL clubs don't. You sign it, your theirs. There's no way they can let him go, as it will look like the metaphoric captain abandoning ship.

[1eyedog]

Tom Browne from Ch 7 reporting that talks between the club and JJ are back on and that something will be worked out 'sooner rather than later'. This apparently on the back of a heart to heart between Bevo and JJ. Stayed tuned. #lovemycoach

[Ozza]

Tom Browne from Ch 7 reporting that talks between the club and JJ are back on and that something will be worked out 'sooner rather than later'. This apparently on the back of a heart to heart between Bevo and JJ. Stayed tuned. #lovemycoach

Great news. Just heard similar reported on the news on SEN this morning.

[Bulldog4life]

Tom Browne from Ch 7 reporting that talks between the club and JJ are back on and that something will be worked out 'sooner rather than later'. This apparently on the back of a heart to heart between Bevo and JJ. Stayed tuned. #lovemycoach

Fantastic news. Bevo strikes again.

[comrade]

I'll do cartwheels when he actually signs. Players say any old crap when a camera is in their face.

[Mantis]

I'll do cartwheels when he actually signs. Players say any old crap when a camera is in their face.

JJ seems to be a pretty genuine guy so I believe him more so than others.. To be fair this will be his ''big'' contract so when other clubs are throwing huge coin at him it would be an attraction for even the most loyal person, which I think JJ is.

[1eyedog]

JJ seems to be a pretty genuine guy so I believe him more so than others.. To be fair this will be his ''big'' contract so when other clubs are throwing huge coin at him it would be an attraction for even the most loyal person, which I think JJ is.

Agreed. He's really the missing piece of the puzzle in terms of tying away our top end talent. Boyd's tied away for another handful, there's no way we're letting Bont go anywhere, hopefully Stringer gets done at the end of next year and Libba and Dahl will be one club players. To have JJ sign a long-term deal will ensure we retain the blue chip nucleus of a top 4 side for the next 5 years.

[1eyedog]

Jason Johannisen has renewed contract talks with Western Bulldogs

WESTERN Bulldogs speedster Jason Johannisen has renewed contract talks with the reigning premiers after a scintillating start to the season.

The Norm Smith medallist opted to put negotiations on hold earlier in the year as the AFL and the players’ union continue to thrash out a new agreement which could substantially increase player salaries.

But Johannisen has confirmed his management is back in discussions with the Bulldogs in the hope a new deal can be sealed soon.

A product of East Fremantle, Johannisen had been expected to draw plenty of interest from across the competition — especially the West Australian clubs — but the 24-year-old says he’s relishing the opportunity to be part of the Bulldogs’ premiership defence.

“I’ve never been a part of a football team that’s so close — it’s pretty special,” he told AAP.

“What we achieved last year has sort of gone behind us. The new challenges that have brought us here today and the new journey that we’re going to go across this year has kept the group pretty excited, and we just can’t wait.”

After an exemplary finals campaign, Johannisen has continued to deliver for the Bulldogs, averaging 26 disposals per game and providing important run-and carry off half-back.

With coach Luke Beveridge preaching the need for versatility, Johannisen has looked to spend more time on the wing and up forward after spending most of last year in the back line.

“You’re always looking at ways to improve, so you can’t be too happy with yourself, but I’m in a great place at the minute,” Johannisen said. “I’ve got a lot of confidence in my ability and I’m just looking to use my strengths.”

The Bulldogs have shown glimpses of brilliance and an unrivalled ability to close out games on their way to a 4-1 record but are yet to replicate the ferocity of last year’s inspired finals campaign.

They will face a major test on Friday night when they travel to Canberra to face Greater Western Sydney — a side they narrowly edged in a fierce and gripping preliminary final last year.

“All the hype of a prelim — obviously it’s going to be extra pressure because you know what’s going to be at stake,” Johannisen said.

“It was a very high-pressure game and it was probably exciting to watch. They’ve got great talent and it’s going to take our best to win.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/jason-johannisen-has-renewed-contract-talks-with-western-bulldogs/news-story/d65df4f1741508383587ec9f1dcc706d

[Bulldog4life]

Dog's deal back on: Backman renews contract talks

Dog's deal back on: Backman renews contract talks
AAP April 27, 2017 10:07 AM

Jason Johannisen says his management is back in talks with the Dogs
I've got a lot of confidence in my ability and I'm just looking to use my strengths
Jason Johannisen
WESTERN Bulldogs speedster Jason Johannisen has renewed contract talks with the reigning premiers after a scintillating start to the AFL season.

The Norm Smith medallist put negotiations on hold earlier in the year as the AFL and the players' union continue to thrash out a new agreement which could substantially increase player salaries.

When asked about his contract, Johannisen confirmed his management was back in discussions with the Bulldogs in the hope a new deal could be sealed soon.

Johannisen is due to come out of contract at the end of 2017, but will be one year shy of qualifying for free agency.

AFL.com.au’s Nick Bowen reported in March that Johannisen's manager, Tim Galic of SMA Sports Agents, had stopped negotiations with the Dogs because the parties remained a long way apart over the terms of a new contract.

Some club sources believed at the time that the West Australian was seeking up to $700,000 a season to re-sign with the Bulldogs.

A product of East Fremantle, Johannisen had been expected to draw plenty of interest from across the competition - especially the West Australian clubs - but the 24-year-old said he was relishing the opportunity to be part of the Bulldogs' premiership defence.

"I've never been a part of a football team that's so close - it's pretty special," he said.

"What we achieved last year has sort of gone behind us. The new challenges that have brought us here today and the new journey that we're going to go across this year has kept the group pretty excited, and we just can't wait."

After an exemplary finals campaign, Johannisen has continued to deliver for the Bulldogs, averaging 26 disposals per game and providing important run-and-carry off half-back.

With coach Luke Beveridge preaching the need for versatility, Johannisen has looked to spend more time on the wing and up forward after spending most of last year in the backline.

"You're always looking at ways to improve, so you can't be too happy with yourself, but I'm in a great place at the minute," Johannisen said.

"I've got a lot of confidence in my ability and I'm just looking to use my strengths."

The Bulldogs have shown glimpses of brilliance and an unrivalled ability to close out games on their way to a 4-1 record but are yet to replicate the ferocity of last year's inspired finals campaign.

They will face a major test on Friday night when they travel to Canberra to face Greater Western Sydney - a side they narrowly edged in a fierce and gripping preliminary final last year.

"All the hype of a prelim - obviously it's going to be extra pressure because you know what's going to be at stake," Johannisen said.

"It was a very high-pressure game and it was probably exciting to watch. They've got great talent and it's going to take our best to win."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-27/dogs-deal-back-on-backman-renews-contract-talks

[Happy Days]

Tom Browne from Ch 7 reporting that talks between the club and JJ are back on and that something will be worked out 'sooner rather than later'. This apparently on the back of a heart to heart between Bevo and JJ. Stayed tuned. #lovemycoach

If this is true then jesus, Bevo is the greatest thing to ever happen to me personally, let alone the club.

[Axe Man]

If this is true then jesus, Bevo is the greatest thing to ever happen to me personally, let alone the club.

I hear Bevo is off to North Korea next to talk some sense into Kim Jong-un.

[G-Mo77]

I'm getting tired of hearing the JJ/Stringer feud, this rumor is gospel apparently. So with a signature I'd be able to do the whole smug "I told you so" routine. I'm getting good at that. :D

[1eyedog]

If this is true then jesus, Bevo is the greatest thing to ever happen to me personally, let alone the club.

Join the queue. Has there ever been a coach that so obviously has such a strong connection to his players, and vice versa?

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[The Pie Man]

I'm getting tired of hearing the JJ/Stringer feud, this rumor is gospel apparently. So with a signature I'd be able to do the whole smug "I told you so" routine. I'm getting good at that. :D

Thought they were besties?

[G-Mo77]

Thought they were besties?

They are but JJ's manager hints he's going to explore and then BS starts up.

[lemmon]

Tom Browne from Ch 7 reporting that talks between the club and JJ are back on and that something will be worked out 'sooner rather than later'. This apparently on the back of a heart to heart between Bevo and JJ. Stayed tuned. #lovemycoach

Didn't JJ also say in an interview with SEN during the pre-season that a new contract was imminent? Talks were seemingly derailed then, I won't really be sold till he's put pen to paper

[Topdog]

I'm getting tired of hearing the JJ/Stringer feud, this rumor is gospel apparently. So with a signature I'd be able to do the whole smug "I told you so" routine. I'm getting good at that. :D

What is that rumour?? I thought they were best mates

[Mantis]

What is that rumour?? I thought they were best mates

Rumour is that there was a falling out between the 2 which supposedly occured around the time of Stringer's split from his partner.

[Ozza]

Rumour is that there was a falling out between the 2 which supposedly occured around the time of Stringer's split from his partner.

I heard JJ interviewed a little while ago and when asked in relation to Stringer & Abby, he used the expression that he was "Stuck in the middle", and that they were both his mates. Nothing wrong with him being mates with both of course, but I thought the expression he used was interesting.

[bulldogtragic]

JJ, Hunter & Stringer did a function in Bendigo before the start of the season. Seem like very, very good mates still to anyone that saw them. There's no source of this, which I take as either Twitter of BF rumours that everyone jumped on. Remember SEN last year allowing rumours that Boyd used a beer glass to cut Cordy in the face?

We should all save our grey matter for something real.

[Topdog]

I heard JJ interviewed a little while ago and when asked in relation to Stringer & Abby, he used the expression that he was "Stuck in the middle", and that they were both his mates. Nothing wrong with him being mates with both of course, but I thought the expression he used was interesting.

Seeing as Abby and Jake are on good terms JJ should be OK.

[bulldogtragic]

Don't know if you want to sticky it somewhere mods.

Luke Beveridge: 2020

Jason Johannisen: 2017
Josh Dunkley: 2017
Stew Crameri: 2017
Marcus Adams: 2017
Fletcher Roberts: 2017
Lukas Webb: 2017
Bailey Dale: 2017
Bailey Williams: 2017
Kieran Collins: 2017
Mitch Honeychurch: 2017
Declan Hamilton: 2017
Jack Redpath: 2017

Dale Morris: 2017 (30's)
Matthew Boyd: 2017 (30's)
Bob Murphy: 2017 (30's)

Roarke Smith: 2017 (Rookie)
Bradley Lynch: 2017 (Rookie)
Josh Prudden: 2017 (Rookie)
Nathan Mc-Mc: 2017 (Rookie)
Tristan Tweedie: 2017 (Rookie)


Jackson Macrae: 2018
Jake Stringer: 2018
Easton Wood: 2018
Travis Cloke: 2018
Jordan Roughead: 2018
Lin Jong: 2018
Luke Dahl: 2018
Matthew Suckling: 2018
Mitch Wallis: 2018
Shane Biggs: 2018
Tom Liberatore: 2018
Tom Campbell: 2018
Tory Dickson: 2018
Zaine Cordy: 2018
Clay Smith: 2018
Lewis Young: 2018
Fergus Greene: 2018


Marcus Bontempelli: 2019
Lachie Hunter: 2019
Toby McLean: 2019
Caleb Daniel: 2019
Liam Picken: 2019


Tim English: 2020
Pat Lipinski: 2020


Tom Boyd: 2021

Updated. Any chance of a sticky mods?

[Bulldog Joe]

Updated. Any chance of a sticky mods?

Done

[bulldogtragic]

Done

You're awesome BJ!

For everyone's/anyone's reference, I will update the opening post for quick glance list as our club goes along struggling signing players with this huge Tom Boyd contract...

[Mantis]

Report on BF that Crameri at this stage won't be offered a new contract for 2018.

[bornadog]

Report on BF that Crameri at this stage won't be offered a new contract for 2018.

Is it a credible source?

[1eyedog]

Report on BF that Crameri at this stage won't be offered a new contract for 2018.

Wow that's massive.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Is it a credible source?

Same source that said Bevo hates Tom Boyd.

Also stated JJ was likely to leave bulldogs at the end of this year (prior to JJ contract talks coming out in the media)

[bulldogtragic]

Report on BF that Crameri at this stage won't be offered a new contract for 2018.

I struggle with that. We could give him a base salary contract & his lawyers at Gordon Legl can add in a low contract renewal into his losses against Essendon. So the position is he's a wasted spot. I don't agree with that BF assessment/rumour.

[soupman]

I'm not convinced it's true but there is logic to not signing him up.

Firstly he is limited in where we can play him. He is almost purely a high half forward, not tall enough to play as a proper target but not exactly an accumulator either. He makes dumb decisions at times, and is wasteful with his disposal at times. He doesn't fit into our large group of forwards who rotate through the midfield, and doesn't command a spot ahead of other pure forwards in Smith and Dickson.

Add to this we have many fringe type forwards who we probably envisage being able to play a similar high half forward role (think Dunkley, Mclean, Lipinski, Greene. They are all different but will all be fighting for that spot).

Also Crameri is on $440k+ atm, and even considering the likelihood of a paycut he will probably still command $300k+. We could invest the balance of that in a player that could improve our side more than Crameri can.

I'm not convinced it's either a smart move or the right thing to do, but the idea does have merit and if we are going to retain this squad and improve it some hard calls will have to be made.

[bornadog]

Same source that said Bevo hates Tom Boyd.

Also stated JJ was likely to leave bulldogs at the end of this year (prior to JJ contract talks coming out in the media)

Immediately I don't believe a word.

[chef]

I don't think Crameris best 22 so I could see why we'd let him walk

[lemmon]

I don't buy it. He's a natural goal kicker and we're not stocked with them. We've also been extremely good to guys like Prudden and Roarke Smith who haven't had a great run at it, why would we be so cut throat with Cram?

[hujsh]

Same source that said Bevo hates Tom Boyd.

Also stated JJ was likely to leave bulldogs at the end of this year (prior to JJ contract talks coming out in the media)

Also called that Hamling would leave to be fair.

Certainly not to be taken as gospel though

[G-Mo77]

Also called that Hamling would leave to be fair.

Certainly not to be taken as gospel though

Wasn't hard to predict either.

[1eyedog]

Double post

[1eyedog]

I hope this isn't true. I rate Crameri unlike others and think he could be a key player when he regains touch.

If it is true we need to get a trade for him at seasons end. He has value.

[Ozza]

I haven't heard anything about Crameri and contracts.

However, what I have heard is that body-wise, he hasn't come back well at all - and his body is not standing up to the rigours of AFL footy well at all.

[S Coast Simon]

I would like to see Crameri leading out from full forward flat out with the big guys dropping in behind in the space he creates. If he has a great lead hit him up if they are hot on him then go over the top to the big guy. He could be a bit like M Loyd the old velvet sledgehammer. Imagine Crameri hit you hard if you got in his way. It would hurt

[Happy Days]

That Crameri rumour is nothing but garbage self-fulfilling prophecy. Either he stays in the VFL and he's probably not extended, or he regains some touch and "plans change". As if any player has their papers stamped 1/3rd of the way into the season.

[1eyedog]

That Crameri rumour is nothing but garbage self-fulfilling prophecy. Either he stays in the VFL and he's probably not extended, or he regains some touch and "plans change". As if any player has their papers stamped 1/3rd of the way into the season.

If it's true surely it has to be something other than form related.

[The Pie Man]

There might be some smoke, but I tend to agree with Happy Days on this - think back to rumors on Clay Smith's attitude last year pre comeback. No idea if true, but the facts are he came back, played well and has now earned consecutive one year deals.

Long season still ahead

[Remi Moses]

Bit worrying that JJ or Adams haven't re-signed yet?

[ratsmac]

Bit worrying that JJ or Adams haven't re-signed yet?

I think as soon as the AFL and the players association agree on the bargaining agreement and the club knows how much is in the salary cap, that's when we'll see something happen.

[bulldogtragic]

I think as soon as the AFL and the players association agree on the bargaining agreement and the club knows how much is in the salary cap, that's when we'll see something happen.

Yep, I wouldn't be signing right now if the agreement is imminent. Might just get a little bit more.

[1eyedog]

Bailey Williams signs on for another 2 years

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/2017-05-24/williams-extends-contract

[bulldogtragic]

Keep it coming JMac!

[chef]

Adams and JJ are very worrying.

[bulldogtragic]

Adams and JJ are very worrying.

Both are in/back in contract talks. Maybe waiting for CBA to finalise the last few dollars of their requests. Dalrymple said the other day he fully expects that with talks back on with JJ that he will sign on soon enough.

[bornadog]

Bailey Williams signs on for another 2 years

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/video/2017-05-24/williams-extends-contract

Excellent, this kid can play

[1eyedog]

Both are in/back in contract talks. Maybe waiting for CBA to finalise the last few dollars of their requests. Dalrymple said the other day he fully expects that with talks back on with JJ that he will sign on soon enough.

That's how I interpret it. I've recently heard that JJ is good to go - just waiting on CBA as the club has said it will wait and see if it can offer him more. Just rumors though. I think they know he's worth it, they just need to balance a budget across a number of big names.

If JJ does decide to go we'll get something good for him. It's Bont and Stringer that I ultimately worry about. If either of them go what comes back the other way is never going to be anywhere near as good.

[bulldogtragic]

That's how I interpret it. I've recently heard that JJ is good to go - just waiting on CBA as the club has said it will wait and see if it can offer him more. Just rumors though. I think they know he's worth it, they just need to balance a budget across a number of big names.

If JJ does decide to go we'll get something good for him. It's Bont and Stringer that I ultimately worry about. If either of them go what comes back the other way is never going to be anywhere near as good.

Captain Bontempelli
Vice Captain Stringer

Give them good positions within the club/team and really good money and years, they'll stay and lead the dynasty.

[1eyedog]

Captain Bontempelli
Vice Captain Stringer

Give them good positions within the club/team and really good money and years, they'll stay and lead the dynasty.

Premierships. Premierships, Premierships, Premierships.

[Axe Man]

Captain Bontempelli
Vice Captain Stringer

Give them good positions within the club/team and really good money and years, they'll stay and lead the dynasty.

Yeah a club captain with a lucrative contract would never leave, oh wait...

[bulldogtragic]

Premierships. Premierships, Premierships, Premierships.

$30,000 bonus. $30,000 bonus. $30,000 bonus. $30,000 bonus.

Yep. Money & success. You look at the offers Roughead, Mitchell, Hodge and others knocked back, but got over $100,000 each in premiership bonuses over the 4 premierships (and some for the lost GF). There's a lucrative side to playing in a strong team too.

[bulldogtragic]

Yeah a club captain with a lucrative contract would never leave, oh wait...

I'd never compare the two personally. But there's no parallel between the two in my view.

[bornadog]

$30,000 bonus. $30,000 bonus. $30,000 bonus. $30,000 bonus.

Yep. Money & success. You look at the offers Roughead, Mitchell, Hodge and others knocked back, but got over $100,000 each in premiership bonuses over the 4 premierships (and some for the lost GF). There's a lucrative side to playing in a strong team too.

They will be coming for The Bont. Look at North they have offered Kelly $9 million and Dusty something similar. They will be all after The Bont. We need to re-sign him on a huge contract to stay with us for another 10.

[bulldogtragic]

They will be coming for The Bont. Look at North they have offered Kelly $9 million and Dusty something similar. They will be all after The Bont. We need to re-sign him on a huge contract to stay with us for another 10.

That's just the way of the world. Offer him the captaincy on merit, offer him great money and as many years as he likes. If that's not enough, it's not enough. But I think it will be. There's types I see as wanting long terms Hawthorn & Geelong like success, and will accept a little under big offers, and some others. If Bont, whose not out of contract for 2.5 years, was captain by then and had a contract of 6 years and $7.5m ($1.25m p/year) I'd assume he'd be staying. Especially if the list is continually competing in the last week or two of the finals, and likely to stay that way. I'm not losing sleep on Bonts.

[1eyedog]

Yeah I'm not either at this stage but 2019 will be a nail biter until we get his John Doe. He'll be the best player in the comp and everyone will be into him.

[chef]

Yeah a club captain with a lucrative contract would never leave, oh wait...

Bonts not like that gutless wonder.

[bulldogtragic]

Bonts not like that gutless wonder.

Exact opposite. Bonts has already said last year he wants the 'honour' of captaining our club. If you believe said gutless wonder, it's as if he was forced at gun point with tears streaming down his face to take the captaincy against his will and everyone's fault, except his, that he was forced to take it.

[The Underdog]

*!*!*!*! yeah.
I'm super impressed with Bailey so far. Think his future is very bright.

[bornadog]

Report on BF that Crameri at this stage won't be offered a new contract for 2018.

According to Bevo's press conference today, Crameri will be offered a new contract as early as the next few weeks or at least sometime this year, but says he prefers sooner rather than later.

[S Coast Simon]

Players surely realise that they stay at their club for less money especially one that is winning premierships. They might get bigger money at the lower clubs but managers need to be reminding players that there is way more money to be made after footy if you are from a successful club. Most ex footballers involved i the AFL are premiership players. Not one invites the wooden spooners to events they invite triple premiership players. Look at Ablett went for the money and lost the passion. Would have been the mayor of Geelong if he had of stayed

[1eyedog]

According to Bevo's press conference today, Crameri will be offered a new contract as early as the next few weeks or at least sometime this year, but says he prefers sooner rather than later.

Yep he's been offered a two year contract details to follow.

[bulldogtragic]

Yep he's been offered a two year contract details to follow.

You mentioned on the other thread, it's for less coin. With our banking and the ruling from the AFEL that said Essendon needed to pay Crammers wage last year, and we could bank that too, we could have somewhere between $1-2M to play with. We were prepared to offer Hurley $800,000 (whilst signing up our guns too), which was probably funded by the banking and normal list turnover to cover increase salaries for players like JJ etc.

If we then add, say another $150,000 from bringing Crammers down, then we have around $950,000 to go shopping with, as well as cba increases (so over $1M). That brings up big questions about whether we throw it all at say Nat Fyfe, or look to split it over two very good players).

[Happy Days]

You mentioned on the other thread, it's for less coin. With our banking and the ruling from the AFEL that said Essendon needed to pay Crammers wage last year, and we could bank that too, we could have somewhere between $1-2M to play with. We were prepared to offer Hurley $800,000 (whilst signing up our guns too), which was probably funded by the banking and normal list turnover to cover increase salaries for players like JJ etc.

If we then add, say another $150,000 from bringing Crammers down, then we have around $950,000 to go shopping with, as well as cba increases (so over $1M). That brings up big questions about whether we throw it all at say Nat Fyfe, or look to split it over two very good players).

Key defender please and thank you. Get to work BT.

[Bulldog4life]

The Bummers very keen on JJ according to this morning footy show

[azabob]

The Bummers very keen on JJ according to this morning footy show

Have been since 2013. Eventually they may get their man.

[bulldogtragic]

Have been since 2013. Eventually they may get their man.

Must have a 300% salary cap.

[azabob]

Must have a 300% salary cap.

Danihers price keeps going up by the week.

[bulldogtragic]

Danihers price keeps going up by the week.

Best the AFEL let them go to 400% of salary cap then. There's no actual way they're under now, and if they're re-signing Joe on the huge coin needed and signing other club big names.

[comrade]

With Adams signing on the dotted line, JJ remains our most critical re-sign but if Bailey Dale produces more games like on the weekend, he'll be hot property.

[bulldogtragic]

From the OP:

Jason Johannisen: 2017
Josh Dunkley: 2017
Stew Crameri: 2017
Fletcher Roberts: 2017
Lukas Webb: 2017
Bailey Dale: 2017
Kieran Collins: 2017
Mitch Honeychurch: 2017
Declan Hamilton: 2017
Jack Redpath: 2017

Dale Morris: 2017 (30's)
Matthew Boyd: 2017 (30's)
Bob Murphy: 2017 (30's)

Roarke Smith: 2017 (Rookie)
Bradley Lynch: 2017 (Rookie)
Josh Prudden: 2017 (Rookie)
Nathan Mc-Mc: 2017 (Rookie)
Tristan Tweedie: 2017 (Rookie)

The oldies and the rookies will be done at the end of the year you'd think. So there's a few kids after JJ that need signing up, then some mid range players, but JMac is powering through his work.

[cinder]

Come on JJ ...

[dadsgirl16]

I didn't realise Bailey Dale was due...get him signed up...Watson on SEN keeps sprouting how good he is/will be

[comrade]

I didn't realise Bailey Dale was due...get him signed up...Watson on SEN keeps sprouting how good he is/will be

If that's the case, Essendon are no doubt into him.

[ratsmac]

From the OP:

Jason Johannisen: 2017
Josh Dunkley: 2017
Stew Crameri: 2017
Fletcher Roberts: 2017
Lukas Webb: 2017
Bailey Dale: 2017
Kieran Collins: 2017
Mitch Honeychurch: 2017
Declan Hamilton: 2017
Jack Redpath: 2017

Dale Morris: 2017 (30's)
Matthew Boyd: 2017 (30's)
Bob Murphy: 2017 (30's)

Roarke Smith: 2017 (Rookie)
Bradley Lynch: 2017 (Rookie)
Josh Prudden: 2017 (Rookie)
Nathan Mc-Mc: 2017 (Rookie)
Tristan Tweedie: 2017 (Rookie)

The oldies and the rookies will be done at the end of the year you'd think. So there's a few kids after JJ that need signing up, then some mid range players, but JMac is powering through his work.

Top priority would have to be JJ, Dunks, Dale, Roberts, Webb, Crameri then Redpath in that order. The some of others will only get one year deals you'd think.

[Axe Man]

Big Dogs extend deals (http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/2017-06-06/big-dogs-extend-deals)

The Western Bulldogs’ big man stocks have been bolstered this week with Kieran Collins and Lewis Young both committing to the Club beyond their current deals.

Collins (2018) and Young (2019) are the latest in a line of Bulldogs to have extended their contracts, with Patrick Lipinski, Clay Smith, Marcus Adams, Tim English and defender Bailey Williams also recently signing extensions.

The strongly-built Collins was taken with the 26th pick in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft, and went on to play is first AFL game against Greater Western Sydney in Round Nine, last season.

20 years old in December, the Dandenong Stingrays product has averaged 12 disposals, five marks and two tackles per game in seven games for Footscray this season.

The South Australian born Young was the Bulldogs’ third pick in 2016 NAB AFL Draft (49th overall), and the youngest player selected at just 17.

The 197 cm, 88kg key forward prospect has impressed at VFL level for Footscray so far this season, averaging 12 touches and five marks over seven games

Bulldogs List Manager Jason McCartney said the Club was pleased to retain both players.

“Both Kieran and Lewis have shown some really encouraging signs in their time at the Club, McCartney said.

“Kieran continues to make strides as a player, and to debut at 18 years of age as he did last season was a terrific achievement,

“We’re looking forward to watching him develop as a footballer.”

Lewis Young scraped into draft eligibility by just 11 days, but McCartney said the former basketballer has already shown strong character and has significant potential.

“The way that Lewis has adapted to the AFL system after coming across from Adelaide at such a young age has been fantastic, he said.

“On the field, he’s got exceptional speed and agility for someone his size and a reliable pair of hands.

“He’s still a young man, so there’s still room for growth in his game, but we think he has plenty of upside.”

[bulldogtragic]

Good stuff. Great news for them that they've got time to keep growing as players without contract pressure.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Is that a one-year extension for Collins? Not overly encouraging is it?

[bulldogtragic]

Is that a one-year extension for Collins? Not overly encouraging is it?

With all the injuries he's had, it's the safe course of action just like Clay Smith. Collins now has 16 months to grab another contract, which should take pressure off him to return too soon from injuries or take short cuts. That's good for club and player.

[bornadog]

So far I like what I have seen of Lewis-Young, and being so young has lots of time to develop. At 18 years of age, he is hopefully still growing.

[bulldogtragic]

JMac ploughing through it, his list of players left to sign from the OP:

Jason Johannisen: 2017
Josh Dunkley: 2017
Stew Crameri: 2017
Fletcher Roberts: 2017
Lukas Webb: 2017
Bailey Dale: 2017
Jack Redpath: 2017

Probably after the season:

Mitch Honeychurch: 2017
Declan Hamilton: 2017

Dale Morris: 2017 (30's)
Matthew Boyd: 2017 (30's)
Bob Murphy: 2017 (30's)

Roarke Smith: 2017 (Rookie)
Bradley Lynch: 2017 (Rookie)
Josh Prudden: 2017 (Rookie)
Nathan Mc-Mc: 2017 (Rookie)
Tristan Tweedie: 2017 (Rookie)

[soupman]

Is that a one-year extension for Collins? Not overly encouraging is it?

Could also be from his side. Atm he isn't really close to selection and hasn't been overly impressive in the VFL, so I imagine the terms he has been offered aren't much of an upgrade on his draftee contract. From his pov he is better off hoping that in the next season and a half he can get some games and improve his bargaining position, and if he doesn't get games he could agitate for a move.

[Happy Days]

Is that a one-year extension for Collins? Not overly encouraging is it?

From what I've seen he's lucky to get it in all honesty.

[Remi Moses]

From what I've seen he's lucky to get it in all honesty.

He gets it because KPP take longer than others . No doubting he needs to improve aspects of his game

[Smads57]

I think I read he is still to turn 20 meaning he is only 19 at present. I have seen him play as much as possible in the VFL (given his injuries) over the last two years and I think there might be something there yet. He is worth persisting with at this early stage.

[bulldogtragic]

I think I read he is still to turn 20 meaning he is only 19 at present. I have seen him play as much as possible in the VFL (given his injuries) over the last two years and I think there might be something there yet. He is worth persisting with at this early stage.

I don't think he's up to 20 games played against men yet. Patience with big kids.

[ratsmac]

So far I like what I have seen of Lewis-Young, and being so young has lots of time to develop. At 18 years of age, he is hopefully still growing.
At 197cm he wouldn't want to grow too much more. I like that size because it's tall enough to compete with the 200cm+ players and short enough (197cm is not quite short but you know what I getting at) to be able to play on the 190cm size players as well.

Unless we want him to become a ruckman of course. I actually haven't had the chance to see him play yet so I am just blabbering on here. :o

[always right]

From what I've seen he's lucky to get it in all honesty.

Bit rough. Clearly Dalrymple rated him highly to draft him so early. Why would you delist someone like that before they even turn 20?

[Bulldog4life]

Bit rough. Clearly Dalrymple rated him highly to draft him so early. Why would you delist someone like that before they even turn 20?

Agree. Good decision

[Eastdog]

JMac ploughing through it, his list of players left to sign from the OP:

Jason Johannisen: 2017
Josh Dunkley: 2017
Stew Crameri: 2017
Fletcher Roberts: 2017
Lukas Webb: 2017
Bailey Dale: 2017
Jack Redpath: 2017

Probably after the season:

Mitch Honeychurch: 2017
Declan Hamilton: 2017

Dale Morris: 2017 (30's)
Matthew Boyd: 2017 (30's)
Bob Murphy: 2017 (30's)

Roarke Smith: 2017 (Rookie)
Bradley Lynch: 2017 (Rookie)
Josh Prudden: 2017 (Rookie)
Nathan Mc-Mc: 2017 (Rookie)
Tristan Tweedie: 2017 (Rookie)

Very keen to sign a lot of those players. Not sure what will happen with JJ but hopefully he'll stay on. Crameri from what we know has still got a future and they are looking hopefully for him to get going in 2018 (so it's kind of 2 years out for Crammers). Would be good if we retain Honeychurch. Not sure what Hamilton's future will be but from the VFL reports he has struggled somewhat.

[Smads57]

Not sure what Hamilton's future will be but from the VFL reports he has struggled somewhat.

I don't think Hamilton 'struggles' at VFL level (in fact he's been a pretty good contributor at that level so far this year). My query on him is our having better options to bring into the AFL side and that players drafted after his draft year (e.g. Dunkley, and potentially Lipinski this year) are already ahead of him while players drafted in his draft year are playing regular AFL football.

[Eastdog]

I don't think Hamilton 'struggles' at VFL level (in fact he's been a pretty good contributor at that level so far this year). My query on him is our having better options to bring into the AFL side and that players drafted after his draft year (e.g. Dunkley, and potentially Lipinski this year) are already ahead of him while players drafted in his draft year are playing regular AFL football.

Will we see Hamilton play in the seniors this year at some point. Honeychurch probably more likely. Tim English looks like he'll be an important player in the future - still very young but really good early start signs.

Jong
Stringer
JJ
Dahl

These players have all been pretty good this year. I certainly think Stringer has picked up was dissapinting last season but becoming very important now and if he keeps his form up front the last game opposition teams will start to fear him. Jong has really improvised this year. I like how Wood has gone recently he has regained form again.

[bulldogtragic]

Dunkley signs 2 year extension. JMac powering ahead.

[azabob]

Dunkley signs 2 year extension. JMac powering ahead.

Great news. Second most import signiture on the list above. Wonder why only 2 years? I would've thought three would have been more suitable.

[bulldogtragic]

The Western Bulldogs have secured another of its promising youngsters, with Josh Dunkley agreeing to terms on a two-year contract extension.

Dunkley, who is currently recovering from a shoulder injury, will remain at Victoria University Whitten Oval until at least the end of the 2019 season.

The 19-year-old joins Kieran Collins, Lewis Young, Patrick Lipinski, Clay Smith, Marcus Adams, Tim English and Bailey Williams as other Bulldogs to have recently signed contract extensions.

“Josh has made an impressive start to his AFL career and we’re thrilled to see him extend his contract with the Club,” said Bulldogs' List Manager Jason McCartney.

“His development in such a short time at the Bulldogs has been terrific, and clearly his upside is enormous for such a young player.

“It was disappointing to see him suffer an injury earlier this season, however we’re excited about what the future holds for him.”

After being taken with selection 25 in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft, Dunkley played 17 games in his debut season, including being a member of the Bulldogs’ premiership side and being nominated for the Rising Star Award.

Playing as a forward who could spend time in the midfield, Dunkley averaged 16 disposals per game and kicked nine goals in 2016.

[bulldogtragic]

Great news. Second most import signiture on the list above. Wonder why only 2 years? I would've thought three would have been more suitable.

Maybe the injury?

Really it's, to me, JJ, Dale, Roberts, Webb - After season finishes Crameri, Redpath, Hamilton, Honey, 30's, Rookies.

[azabob]

Mark Stevens reporting that Chris Grant is now taken over talks with JJ management. Not sure if that good or bad news? Interesting none the less.