Bankers And Anchors - Round 1 2017 vs Collingwood

[Eastdog]

This is the round 1 2017 edition of the Weekly Bankers and Anchors Thread. Once the game against Collingwood is concluded post your nominations for:

The Bankers = 3 guys/aspects of the game that we banked on to do the right thing during the game
The Anchors = 3 guys/aspects of the game that weighed us down by their errors or poor play

Please limit it to no more than three of each player or aspect of the game, but feel free to make honourable/dishonourable mentions. As usual try to make it constructive criticism.

Try and restrict it to individual players rather than aspects of the overall match - I will allow more freedom now as the thread seems to be going down more of the aspects of the game path so you can have 3 for each made up of aspects of the game and individual players or purely just individual players or individual aspects.

The thread is named in honour of a popular WOOF Contributor, The Banker, who passed away on 22/04/2012 after a six month battle with cancer.

[GVGjr]

Bump

[bulldogtragic]

B:

Roberts. Thought he was solid.
Murphy. Really important in the third.
The 'Ins': Cloke, Crameri, Suckling & Murphy. All will keep getting better.

A:

Daniel. Going to be a very, very good player. Could be his worst AFL game.
Jong. Had the spot of Smith/Dunkley, and whilst tackles were up, not sure he provided more than they could've tonight.
Moz injury, however bad it is. You can't tell how bad it is with him.

[Throughandthrough]

B

Crameri. Awesome come back game
Murph Hooray
Cloke did well, that goal was a big moment in his career

A

Daniel. Woeful. Forget it and move on
Jong, did he get more than 5 possessions?
Collingwood being in the top 4

[always right]

B
Thought Cloke was a steadying influence
Murph going forward changed the game in the third quarter.
Roberts was terrific.

A
Jong, Dahl, Biggs, Daniel and McLean were all quiet.
Really sloppy defence on Pendlebury on the outside.
Morris scaring the bejesus out of me.

[bulldogtragic]

Extra Banker:

Cooney might be retired from Essendon & Taylor Adams is not at GWS anymore... But my boy Zaine giving Adams his long overdue whack in the head from Bulldogs player.

[westbulldog]

B
Cloke - will be a plus
Murphy - hasn't missed a beat, welcome back.
Roberts - is improving and is pretty solid down back at the moment.

A
Whoever let their midfield off the leash.
Their supporters, several giving the bird every time we goaled at their end, get a life.

[Eastdog]

Bankers:

Hunter - Seem to be in a lot of it
JJ - Really good game
Morris - just a champ excellent down back
Addition mentions: Cloke and Murph


Anchors:

The lapses we had in the game (notably the 2nd quarter)
T Boyd - a little quiet but will be fine
Morris injury from what Ive read on woof - I hope nothing serious

[comrade]

Bankers

1. Murph moved so well. If he can get through the year, he'll be a huge inclusion.
2. Some really nice transition from defence. Looks like we'll be more attacking.
3. Fletch seems to have gained confidence and gave Moore a bath.

Anchors

1. Midfield set up.
2. Daniel was well under par. Has he reached his ceiling?
3. Stringer needs to nail those set shots at the death.

Extra anchor to the Collingwood flog behind me who gave it to Tom Boyd all game, using such creative slurs as 'Mr Millionaire' to which I countered that it was actually Mr Premiership Millionaire. Seriously, after basically winning us a flag, give it a rest you flogs.

[Eastdog]

Bankers

1. Murph moved so well. If he can get through the year, he'll be a huge inclusion.
2. Some really nice transition from defence. Looks like we'll be more attacking.
3. Fletch seems to have gained confidence and gave Moore a bath.

Anchors

1. Midfield set up.
2. Daniel was well under par. Has he reached his ceiling?
3. Stringer needs to nail those set shots at the death.

Extra anchor to the Collingwood flog behind me who gave it to Tom Boyd all game, using such creative slurs as 'Mr Millionaire' to which I countered that it was actually Mr Premiership Millionaire. Seriously, after basically winning us a flag, give it a rest you flogs.

Yeah they need to give that a rest. He came alive in the grand final last year and will be fine handling what the media out there want to say.

[Remi Moses]

B- The back 6 ( tremendous ,considering how dreadful we were in clearances )
The comeback of Bob Murphy ( great tonight )
Answering the serious challenge after half time
A- Midfield ( we got flogged getting first hands, and some awful defensive setups at clearances )
The 7.50 start. Change it to 7.10

[Remi Moses]

Yeah they need to give that a rest. He came alive in the grand final last year and will be fine handling what the media out there want to say.
Haters gunna hate

[bornadog]

Bankers

1. The end to end goals and accurate kicking in the first half

2. Suckling's kicking is incredible

3. Cloke's goal to shut the Pie army up.

Anchors

1. Stringers set shots in the last

2. Jong - mids must get more than 11 lousy disposals - I just can't work out if he is going to make it ornot.

3. Pray that Morris doesn't have a serious injury. He was fantastic tonight.

[Eastdog]

Haters gunna hate

Yeah true. Whatever he does there are those certain individuals that will stay the same and still have a dig.

[Sedat]

3. Pray that Morris doesn't have a serious injury. He was fantastic tonight.
The mechanism was not dissimilar to Dane Swan's injury in R1 last year. Not saying it's the same injury but I daresay he will be a sore boy tonight and for most of the next week.

[merantau]

Bankers
1. Our veterans. These 3 blokes are AMAZING. Murph makes a seamless re-entry to centre stage, Matty Boyd - ever cool, keeps his head when all around is spinning and Dale Morris is just so committed to the contest and ever-reliable. Hope his injury is minor.
2. JJ - versatile
3. Travis Cloke - played his role to perfection

Anchors

1 We got killed around the stoppages
2 Stringer's set shots
3 The 7.50 time slot.

[bornadog]

The 7.50 time slot.

Good point M, not family friendly at all. By the time the game finished, and the struggle to get on a train and get home it was after 11.30. Then I stayed up and watched the 1st and 3rd quarters. :D

[SlimPickens]

Bankers-

- The cream rising to the top in the third, Bont, Murph and Macrae particularly.

- Cloke- really liked his game. Work rate exceptional and the goal awesome.

- Murph- hasn't missed a beat.

Anchors
Daniel- was Collingwoods best for patches throughout the game.

Our mids- towelled by a very good midfield group. Lucky Bucks can't coach, as they could be a very dangerous side.

Camera work- it was infuriating how poor and slow the camera work was. Usually I complain about he commentary but I thought the camer work was horrendous.

[SonofScray]

B:
JJ - some poor disposal early but he was exhilarating across the match, at either end. A real weapon.
Stringer - leading patterns and work rate were very good. Still concerned he won't go up to the ball, or fly for marks but he is on his way again.
Bob - wound back the clock in the 3rd qtr to his days as an undersized, dominant CHF.

A:
Inability to contain Adams, Treloar and Side ottom
Daniel kick into the middle across field turnover. Howler.
Deliberate OOBs v JJ. Ridiculous.

[G-Mo77]

Bankers
3rd term. That was our team at it's best
Backline. Inside entries were coming in thick and fast. Brilliant effort to hold off
Cloke's first go. Choke on that!

Anchors
Haven't checked the stats but we got it handed to us in the centre. Not sure if it was ruck related or not?
Missed shots late were disappointing
And I can't go to a Collingwood game without anchoring their supporters. AFL won us the grand final, every hand ball a throw, every out of bounds deliberate, every tackle they laid was HTB every free they got was bronx cheered.

[Throughandthrough]

Camera work- it was infuriating how poor and slow the camera work was. Usually I complain about he commentary but I thought the camer work was horrendous.



Yeah it was wierd, lots of long range, wide angle shots.

[ratsmac]

Bankers

1. Bob's return. It's so good to see him back and playing well.
2. Crameri's return. He was definitely rusty but it won't be long until he is monstering defenders
3. Roberts. Can be found out one on one but was solid all game. More of that please Fletch.

Anchors

1. Fumbles. Round 1 I know, but how many times we fumbled in tight allowing the pies to get the clearance.
2. Jong. Tried hard (14 tackles) but look to number 1 anchor. Collingwood's mids had huge numbers so not too sure what effectiveness he had.
3. Morris injury 22 seconds to go. :mad:

[Eastdog]

Good point M, not family friendly at all. By the time the game finished, and the struggle to get on a train and get home it was after 11.30. Then I stayed up and watched the 1st and 3rd quarters. :D

I'm guessing they might do it to allow time for people who finish late from work to get to the footy but I don't think so otherwise that time would apply on Thursday night. Something to do in the TV rights.

[GVGjr]

Bankers
Morris, just keeps doing more than most expect.
Roberts, has maintained his improvement from last season. He will be beaten from time to time but we have to stick with him
Johannisen, his 2 goals made a huge difference

Anchors
Daniel, I think his rehab over the pre-season has put him behind.
Suckling, provided the flair but also the lair and I hate that shit
Bevo's explanation of the ruck, it's like trying to find Where's Wally

[bornadog]

Anchors
Daniel, I think his rehab over the pre-season has put him behind.
Suckling, provided the flair but also the lair and I hate that shit
Bevo's explanation of the ruck, it's like trying to find Where's Wally

Some very Harsh Anchors there GVGr.

I thought Suckling was brilliant, his kicking was sublime. Daniel did turn the ball over a few times, but also did some good things. As for the rucks - I think Bevo knows what he is doing, but won't be giving much away to the opposition.

[GVGjr]

Some very Harsh Anchors there GVGr.

I thought Suckling was brilliant, his kicking was sublime. Daniel did turn the ball over a few times, but also did some good things. As for the rucks - I think Bevo knows what he is doing, but won't be giving much away to the opposition.

So Suckling didn't try and be overly flash at times? I acknowledged that he provided some flair.
How did you interpret Bevo's explanation of the ruck? I don't understand it and I've tried to
I've also acknowledged Daniels preseason injury interruption which I think has put him a bit behind where he needs to be

[comrade]

So Suckling didn't try and be overly flash at times? I acknowledged that he provided some flair
How did you interpret Bevo's explanation of the ruck? I don't understand it and I've tried to
I've also acknowledged Daniels preseason injury interruption which I think has put him a bit behind where he needs to be

I interpret it as the best coach in the league being deliberately vague after 1 genuine game under the new rules & umpiring interpretations as he's still working out how best to attack the problem. Definitely not anchor worthy.

[jeemak]

So Suckling didn't try and be overly flash at times? I acknowledged that he provided some flair
How did you interpret Bevo's explanation of the ruck? I don't understand it and I've tried to
I've also acknowledged Daniels preseason injury interruption which I think has put him a bit behind where he needs to be

GVGjr, I appreciate our ruck stocks are a bit of a hobby horse of yours, but what did you want from the coach in the face of the questions asked Friday night?

[Sedat]

How did you interpret Bevo's explanation of the ruck? I don't understand it and I've tried to
Freo smashed Geelong in the hitouts/hitouts to advantage, clearances and inside 50's tonight but they were obliterated, and all this after Geelong dropped their best ruckman Zac Smith and brought in a mid for team balance. The ruck situation and the impact of the 3rd man up rule change is still very much an unknown quantity, which is what Bevo was trying to articulate in his presser.

Your concerns may well be borne out but the sample size is too small for a definitive trend to be identified with regard to the ruck/stoppage area in 2017.

[comrade]

And third man up is meaningless in centre bounces, where we got smashed all night.

Bevo's presser just confirmed what we all suspect when he said the new rules won't encourage more ruck man to be drafted. He doesn't rate pure tap only ruckmen. Tim English is the perfect type for Bevo, just a shame he's 2 years away from being an influencer.

[GVGjr]

I interpret it as the best coach in the league being deliberately vague after 1 genuine game under the new rules & umpiring interpretations as he's still working out how best to attack the problem. Definitely not anchor worthy.

Thanks, that's a reasonable explanation and I didn't read his response that way.

[GVGjr]

GVGjr, I appreciate our ruck stocks are a bit of a hobby horse of yours, but what did you want from the coach in the face of the questions asked Friday night?

Ruck and key position stocks to be accurate.
I'd rather hear Bevo say that he it was a work in progress rather than trot out something that most of us don't appear to understand.

It's just an anchor that I thought I'd mention but I could have easily called Stringer out for missing set shots but some don't like it when I do that as well :)

[GVGjr]

Freo smashed Geelong in the hitouts/hitouts to advantage, clearances and inside 50's tonight but they were obliterated, and all this after Geelong dropped their best ruckman Zac Smith and brought in a mid for team balance. The ruck situation and the impact of the 3rd man up rule change is still very much an unknown quantity, which is what Bevo was trying to articulate in his presser.



I'm wasn't challenging about the experiment or the approach just the explanation. Yours is a pretty good one.



Your concerns may well be borne out but the sample size is too small for a definitive trend to be identified with regard to the ruck/stoppage area in 2017.

I think you have preempted my reasons for mentioning it. It has nothing to do with my views on our ruck approach and I agree that the sample size is way too small.

[Stefcep]

So Suckling didn't try and be overly flash at times? I acknowledged that he provided some flair.
How did you interpret Bevo's explanation of the ruck? I don't understand it and I've tried to
I've also acknowledged Daniels preseason injury interruption which I think has put him a bit behind where he needs to be

We need players who can do the non-conventional. Its called a taking a risk. No risk non reward

[always right]

We need players who can do the non-conventional. Its called a taking a risk. No risk non reward
I think the issue with Suckling is deciding when to go for broke and when not to. Thought he was excellent on Friday night but there were many occasions last year when his kicking was off yet he continued to be too adventurous. He needs to be more conservative when his kicking is off....when it's on then he should be given licence to go for it.

[Mantis]

Bankers -

- JJ - is there anything better in footy than watching JJ put on the after-burners?
- Macrae - an MCG specialist, runs the width of the ground as well as anyone.
- Hunter - how you were awarded the free kick for your 3rd goal I'll never know, but well done on that and also kicking a ball on your right foot.

Anchors -

- Stringer - it's ok to kick the freakish goals, but set shots need to be your bread & butter, and if you are going to spend to spend extended periods in the midfield try and impact the game rather than being a witches hat.
- Biggs - poor defensively and with ball in hand, needs to be better.
- Jong - I'm a fan, but you need to be better than that.

[SlimPickens]

Bankers -

- Hunter - how you were awarded the free kick for your 3rd goal I'll never know, but well done on that and also kicking a ball on your right foot.

Crammers was spewing about that. Quite funny really, maybe worth a rascal nomination.

[GVGjr]

We need players who can do the non-conventional. Its called a taking a risk. No risk non reward

All players take risks but I question why a player with Sucklings skills by foot takes low % risks. He played well but needs to minimise a couple of errors for mine.

[Axe Man]

Good point M, not family friendly at all. By the time the game finished, and the struggle to get on a train and get home it was after 11.30. Then I stayed up and watched the 1st and 3rd quarters. :D

Poor you. My train was delayed and turned up just before 11:30. Got home at 1:20! I would love to be able to get home that early.

I already leave work early to get to Friday night games, starting much earlier would be an issue for many of us in the country. Of course the game time is all about TV anyway so there's no point in complaining about it, it's not going to change.

[bornadog]

I only had to go one stop, :D I should have walked from Richmond to South Yarra.

[josie]

Poor you. My train was delayed and turned up just before 11:30. Got home at 1:20! I would love to be able to get home that early.

I already leave work early to get to Friday night games, starting much earlier would be an issue for many of us in the country. Of course the game time is all about TV anyway so there's no point in complaining about it, it's not going to change.

Geez, that's dedication. I love to hear stories of how much effort our fans put in to barrack for our Club.

[1eyedog]

Geez, that's dedication. I love to hear stories of how much effort our fans put in to barrack for our Club.

My Uncle gets home at 1:30am if a match starts after 7:30pm. Lives in the Otways.

[GVGjr]

BAD and I were at a function when we played North last season in a Saturday night game for top of the table honors and one of the guys we met lived in Swan Hill. I think that is a 4.5 hour drive home. He didn't think he would get home until around 3.30am