Bankers And Anchors - Round 17, 2017 vs Carlton

[Eastdog]

This is the round 17, 2017 edition of the Weekly Bankers and Anchors Thread. Once the game against Carlton is concluded post your nominations for:

The Bankers = 3 guys/aspects of the game that we banked on to do the right thing during the game
The Anchors = 3 guys/aspects of the game that weighed us down by their errors or poor play

Optional: New addition to the Bankers and Anchors Banchors 3 players we thought who were in the middle in how they went in the game neither a Banker or Anchor.

Please limit it to no more than three of each player or aspect of the game, but feel free to make honourable/dishonourable mentions. As usual try to make it constructive criticism.

Try and restrict it to individual players rather than aspects of the overall match - I will allow more freedom now as the thread seems to be going down more of the aspects of the game path so you can have 3 for each made up of aspects of the game and individual players.

The thread is named in honour of a popular WOOF Contributor, The Banker, who passed away on 22/04/2012 after a six month battle with cancer.

[GVGjr]

Bump

[bulldogtragic]

B

Simon Dalrymple - Picks in the 40's or so: Caleb Daniel, Bailey Williams, Lewis Young
Lewis Young - Great Debut
Bonts - The magic was back, less the time he was exhausted from rucking


Anchor

Hunter - Some Really lazy crap today.
Suckling - Barrel down the middle??
Honeychurch - Sure he got some disposals, but missed easy shots again, again, again. May as well play an extra midfielder then.

[bornadog]

Bankers

1. Young - what a debut, started off a bit nervous and then settled in. Our new CHB.

2. Bailey Dale - getting better every game.

3. MC - guts to have a 20 year old and 18 year old holding the Backline, plus 19 year old Williams. The future core of the backline.

Anchors

1. Hunter, out of form the past few weeks, may have to be dropped to find it in the VFL

2. The umpires - they forgot about prior opportunity when it was us.

3. Another injury to a key player :mad:

[Remi Moses]

Banker - the Bont , just pure silk
- the debut of Lewis Young
- thought our handball was back today
Anchor - The kicking in the final third, I say final third because Carlton parked about 3 buses behind the ball .
- Heart palpitations when I see the Bont rucking .
Only got two , as we just needed that win

[comrade]

B:

Daniel was ultra clean in the first half when we needed someone to lead the way.
JJ seemed a little more like himself. Maybe the contract talk being over has helped clear his mind.
Lewis Young.

A:

The MC/coaching staff for using Bont in the ruck for big chunks of the game. You have one of the best mids in the universe taking ruck duels while Redpath and Roughy are resting forward. Utter madness.
Suckling. Just can't cop him anymore. Misses easy target under no pressure, picks and chooses when he wants to go. I wish we just threw him in the ruck.
Murph pulling up after giving away a free and letting his opponent take the easiest of advantages to set up a goal.

[always right]

Bankers
Really liked our midfield work today with Carlton having a dominant ruckman. We never allowed Murphy and Gibbs too much space to work with and our hands were great.
Also liked the way we slowed Carlton up although they helped us by refusing to take the corridor.
Thought Libba'shands and JJ's run was back today.

Banchors
Liked Honeychurch's effort but as usual he needs to finish his work much better as he doesn't get a lot of it.
Hunter had a nearly game.....not as critical as some on this board though.
Red path competed well with not a lot of influence. Hard when you're the only big target though.

Anchors
Stringer's injury......he was looking lively.
Umpire 19
A lot of bulldogs supporters gave dropped off from attending,

[lemmon]

B- The number of youngsters in that side, they led the way.
-Defensive unit seemed to have found their cohesiveness today
-The boy Young. He's gonna be fun to watch with those bucket hands.

A- We're constantly short a tall. I don't care if we've gotta play English if that meants Bont isn't rucking.
-Don't want to shoot Bambi but I thought Bob was pretty ordinary today. His skills and pace have really dropped off.
-Disposal inside 50 was again awful

[merantau]

I can only go on what I saw in the highlights package.
This is what I liked.
1. Handball - it looked like we were using it as an attacking weapon.
2. Bailey Dale - nailed a set shot from just outside 50.
3. Lewis Young - gave Casboult a mouthful after he hit the post from close in. I liked that. I don't care if it was his first game. Casboult is not a protected species. Not even a fixture in a struggling side. So, good on the kid. I like his attitude. If he can develop into a Rick Kennedy type of presence down back, I for one, will be very happy.

[Eastdog]

Bankers:

Macrae - Having a good year

Daniel - Very good game some of his kicking was great

Lewis Young - Really good debut



Anchors:

Early in the 1st quarter bad start

Injury to Stringer but at least he won't be out for too long

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

B. An outstanding debut by Young.
Promising games by youngsters in Williams Dale and Maclean
Fine games by Bontempelli and Daniel.
A. Disappointing game by Redpath
Murphy played like someone that has missed a lot of football
We desperately need a second ruckman.

[ratsmac]

Bankers

1. Lewis Young impressed me much. Wood is our intercept marker in the team and now he has an apprentice.
2. Bontempelli was back to his best today.
3. Macrae has been working on his kicking. He wasn't kicking many rain makers today. He is a gun.

Anchors

1. Forward line. Entries and personnel. No one leads. Entries were often straight to Carlton defenders. We need to get some chemistry going there before this season slips completely away.
2. Stringers hammy. Terrible blow. Brian Taylor kept saying he has a history of hammies but I don't recall him doing a hammy before. Is this true? If its not true Brian Taylor cops an anchor too.
3. Some terrible umpiring today. We are still suffering from some barrett campaigning I think.

[Danny the snakeman]

B:


Murph pulling up after giving away a free and letting his opponent take the easiest of advantages to set up a goal.

Yes that was terrible.

[Ozza]

Bankers:

Lewis Young - one swallow doesn't make a summer - but we look like we've found a player.
Bont - fantastic - with my favourite highlights being his three important contested marks.
Daniel - needed a lift in the second quarter and his performance in that term set us alight.

Anchors:

Hunter - invented ways to bugger things up. Saving grace was his early goal - but otherwise, well off.
Murphy - not his best day. Bit better in the last quarter - hopefully takes that in to next week.
Stringers hammy.

Notes:
Honeychurch may still lack the class to make the grade in my view - however, great to see us put some time into Simpson, given Carlton's half back strength. Simpson had some footy - but no real impact. HC acquitted himself well and you couldn't pot his efforts.

Macrae has found his goose-step/shimmy that he had in his early years - loved him bringing that out and getting some metres gained. Used the footy expertly.

Forward line/inside 50s. Pretty hard to be super effective with the way Carlton get their numbers behind the ball. A lot of congestion - so there has to be some perspective on this. Very quiet day for Redpath - but also extremely rare for him to have a game without hitting the scoreboard (hasn't happened since 2015) so he gets a reprieve.

[SlimPickens]

Banker-
Honeychurch- that chase down on Kruzer, then followed up to be the link man through the middle, getting the ball out to Picken. Continued his run and was rewarded with a shot on goal (which he converted). He plays next week, with efforts like that. Should be highlighted to the group.

Young- great debut, love seeing a tall defender take intercept marks.

JJ- got on his bike again, good to see some improvement.

Anchors-

Soft tissue Injuries- staggering the amount of injuries we have had to deal with over the last few years.

Redpath- like what Jack brings to the side, but needs to find a way to stay in the game when things aren't going his way.

Dumb Kicks forward- bombing it into the outnumbered forward throughout the day was incredibly frustrating.

[Mantis]

Bankers:

- Bont - just makes the corerct decision and executes every time (well almost everytime).. And his contetsed marking was crucial at times.
- Young - an exciting debut, I think he would've sleeped well last night with all the running he did to celebrate & congatulate after every goal.. Just looked like he was having fun out there.
- JJ - as per SP, he took the game on.. I think he likes playing on the MCG.

Anchors:

- Ruck situation - WTF?
- Redpath - worst game of his career, didn't present, didn't compete.. Just didn't do anything.
- Macrae - Love your work-rate, but your kicking is a massive issue.
- Hunter - just a sloppy game all round.

[bornadog]

- Ruck situation - WTF?

What would you have done?

[Mantis]

What would you have done?

Put Redpath in there.. He gave us nothing at all up forward... You don't have a Rolls Royce plowing a field, you get a beaten up old tractor to do that job.

The passage of play where we had Bont rucking in our FP with Redpath & Roughead in the goal square was *!*!*!*!ing ridiculous.

[1eyedog]

Bankers:

- Bont - just makes the corerct decision and executes every time (well almost everytime).. And his contetsed marking was crucial at times.
- Young - an exciting debut, I think he would've sleeped well last night with all the running he did to celebrate & congatulate after every goal.. Just looked like he was having fun out there.
- JJ - as per SP, he took the game on.. I think he likes playing on the MCG.

Anchors:

- Ruck situation - WTF?
- Redpath - worst game of his career, didn't present, didn't compete.. Just didn't do anything.
- Macrae - Love your work-rate, but your kicking is a massive issue.
- Hunter - just a sloppy game all round.

And yet he is going at a very respectable 75.7% for the year - the second highest % of anyone in the top 10 for total possessions.

[Bullies]

Put Redpath in there.. He gave us nothing at all up forward... You don't have a Rolls Royce plowing a field, you get a beaten up old tractor to do that job.

The passage of play where we had Bont rucking in our FP with Redpath & Roughead in the goal square was *!*!*!*!ing ridiculous.

Redpath can't run so he is no option for the ruck. Gone are the days where he would run down players. that happens after a handful recos.

[Ozza]

And yet he is going at a very respectable 75.7% for the year - the second highest % of anyone in the top 10 for total possessions.

Macrae went at 87% yesterday. I thought it was the best he's used the ball in ages - and thought he looked up and forward rather than sideways. A real positive game for Jack.

[1eyedog]

Macrae went at 87% yesterday. I thought it was the best he's used the ball in ages - and thought he looked up and forward rather than sideways. A real positive game for Jack.

The was my thinking post-game as well.

[westbulldog]

Bankers
Young's debut.
Some good signs from JJ, Libba and Biggs
The continuing emergence of McLean and Bailey Dale

Anchors
Coaching staff - will shorten Bont's career of they keep throwing him onto the ruck which is also a total waste of his talent at stoppages.
Stringer's injury.
Big Jack gave us very little.

[always right]

I don't mind Bont rucking around the ground when he can position his body and then win the ground ball with his agility...but he should never ever contest centre bounces. BTW....thought our mids were outstanding to limit Carlton's ruck dominance and our defenders did well to stop Calton's big blokes marking up forward.

Loved Macrae's ball use yesterday.....normally not his strength.

[soupman]

Bankers
Young: Great debut. Good in the air and ok by foot. Nearly the complete debut game, all he needed was a goal.
Bont: Probably his first complete game in a while, offering something in every area again andhis marking was sublime.
Our zone worked: Carlton had real issues moving the ball out of defence, in the third quarter as scrappy as it was there was about a 20 minute period where the ball barely left our half (for no reward though). Our zone was setup well and seemed to slow Carlton down, although not sure why they were so hesitant to take the initiative and try to break through the corridor.

Anchors
Redpath: Offered very little. Our delivery was poor but with his complete inability to play another position and tendency to go missing for halves at a time (like the West Coast game in Perth I was wondering if he got injured at halftime until I spotted him with 5 minutes to go).
Ruck situation: I actually think Bont kind of worked against Kreuzer who had a quiet game so it's not a complete anchor, but Bont was clearly stuffed by the end of the game (weird seeing as he is usually a strong finisher) and when you have both Roughead and Redpath on the ground then surely one of them should be rucking.
Forward entries and setup: We improved a little later in the match by creating space in the forwardline and entering through the likes of Daniel, but we continue to be idiotic in the way we just lob the ball to no one in particular. Dahlhaus has become a liability whenever he gets the ball in space now because he just kicks it as far as he can regardless of the situation infront of him, he might as well be given a blindfold and told to show how far he can kick. On top of that there were long periods where our forwardline had no structure and was just a congested mess of players in eachothers way.
Umpires: Unlike the lady behind me I don't think they were biased, they were just shocking. Idiotic inconsistencies and poor interpretations. It's a tough job but they were very poor yesterday and really have been all year.

[soupman]

I don't mind Bont rucking around the ground when he can position his body and then win the ground ball with his agility...but he should never ever contest centre bounces. BTW....thought our mids were outstanding to limit Carlton's ruck dominance and our defenders did well to stop Calton's big blokes marking up forward.

Loved Macrae's ball use yesterday.....normally not his strength.
Did he though? He was certainly there but I'm not sure he even ever touched Kreuzer for any of the centre bounce contests.

[always right]

Did he though? He was certainly there but I'm not sure he even ever touched Kreuzer for any of the centre bounce contests.

Only on a couple of occasions but I dread him collecting a big knee in the ribs.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

The point about Dahl's kicking is intensifying by the week; he used to be adequate, he's now a turnover merchant.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

The point about Dahl's kicking is intensifying by the week; he used to be adequate, he's now a turnover merchant.

Yep.. he's been shocking for this in the last 3 weeks especially. I think he had 6 clanger kicks yesterday? I'm sure coaches are onto him about this, and I hope he can quickly adjust his play accordingly very soon.

[bornadog]

Did he though? He was certainly there but I'm not sure he even ever touched Kreuzer for any of the centre bounce contests.


Only on a couple of occasions but I dread him collecting a big knee in the ribs.

There was one occasion in the centre, where Bonti didn't even bother jumping, he just let Kreuzer punch the ball, then he chased it and won the clearance .

People can complain about the MC and the tactics in the ruck, but when you have TBoyd, and Campbell injured, Cloke also coming back from mental injury and not available, you can't then put in 18 year old English. Redpath gives us ZERO in the ruck, so may as well have a mid who can then shark the ball from low on the ground.

We won the game, and the tactics worked.

[always right]

There was one occasion in the centre, where Boni didn't even bother jumping, he just let Kreuzer punch the ball, then he chased it and won the clearance .

People can complain about the MC and the tactics in the ruck, but when you have TBoyd, and Campbell injured, Cloke also coming back from mental injury and not available, you can't then put in 18 year old English. Redpath gives us ZERO in the ruck, so may as well have a mid who can then shark the ball from low on the ground.

We won the game, and the tactics worked.

Yes....but you can be smarter about how you do it. No reason why Roughy couldn't take every centre bounce.

[jeemak]

The point about Dahl's kicking is intensifying by the week; he used to be adequate, he's now a turnover merchant.

His work rate is magnificent, but his decision making and ball use is starting to be a real issue - particularly by foot.

[bornadog]

Yes....but you can be smarter about how you do it. No reason why Roughy couldn't take every centre bounce.

Roughy was resting on the bench.

[comrade]

There was one occasion in the centre, where Boni didn't even bother jumping, he just let Kreuzer punch the ball, then he chased it and won the clearance .

People can complain about the MC and the tactics in the ruck, but when you have TBoyd, and Campbell injured, Cloke also coming back from mental injury and not available, you can't then put in 18 year old English. Redpath gives us ZERO in the ruck, so may as well have a mid who can then shark the ball from low on the ground.

We won the game, and the tactics worked.

Put Suckling in there, Macrae, Libba, even Daniel. Anyone but your once in a generation midfielder.

[bornadog]

Put Suckling in there, Macrae, Libba, even Daniel. Anyone but your once in a generation midfielder.

Lucky you or some of the other posters aren't on the MC. ;)

[always right]

Roughy was resting on the bench.
Really? So you can't see away it couldn't be organised that he gets to the centre for the contest?

[bornadog]

Really? So you can't see away it couldn't be organised that he gets to the centre for the contest?

I am not a coach, or sports scientist, but Roughy was resting on the bench and someone had to take the centre bounce. All I know is they have set periods on the bench.

[chef]

I thought Bont in ruck was a win for us and a big part of us getting the points.

[Mantis]

I thought Bont in ruck was a win for us and a big part of us getting the points.

What part of his time in the ruck impressed you?

It couldn't have been his tap work as he was credited with '0' hit outs.

[comrade]

Lucky you or some of the other posters aren't on the MC. ;)

Yeah, the MC are flying this year.

[Happy Days]

I helped my girlfriend's dad move house yesterday before the game. In the course of moving we had to set up a makeshift rope pulley system to lower a couch from their balcony to the ground. Whilst we were doing this, the old man decided it would be a good idea to manually flip the couch over as it descended, and jumped over the balcony rail to stand on a 50cm long ledge to do so; leaving him with no protection from a ~10m fall to the ground except his own balance. Needless to say it left me feeling incredibly stressed and worried, especially over something that was wholly unnecessary.

Anyway, this is how I felt seeing Bont in the ruck. Never again please.

[chef]

What part of his time in the ruck impressed you?

It couldn't have been his tap work as he was credited with '0' hit outs.

The part where he got the loose contested ball. He wasn't played in the ruck to win the hit out.

[lemmon]

The part where he got the loose contested ball. He wasn't played in the ruck to win the hit out.

Do it with someone less valuable then? If he's just in there to win the footy, why not make one of the lesser mids pretend to ruck and not risk injury to our best player.

There's legitimately no logic behind it.

[Sedat]

Dunks is the ideal mid/ruck option - one of the many reasons why we miss him.

[chef]

Do it with someone less valuable then? If he's just in there to win the footy, why not make one of the lesser mids pretend to ruck and not risk injury to our best player.

There's legitimately no logic behind it.

I guess the other 2 options(Dunks and Jong) are injured.

[bornadog]

Do it with someone less valuable then? If he's just in there to win the footy, why not make one of the lesser mids pretend to ruck and not risk injury to our best player.

There's legitimately no logic behind it.

It worked and we won.;)

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

I think its a storm in a tea cup. As pointed out by one of the comnentators the days of ruckmen charging in from 15 metres is gone. How many injuries have we seen in recent times in ruck contests?
Its not ideal and I hope our recruiting team have it firmly on their agenda to address our ruck situation at the conclusion of the year. Certainly from a risk management perspective its a low risk but high consequence situation, and we would not want that set up to be the norm.
I think the fact that Kruezer is not a Mumford or Sandilands type physique made the MC comfortable with their tactical decision.

I more marvel at Bont's ability to take on that role and for his output to not be diminished. What a super human.
And whilst the media are gushing over Dangerfield's performance they should also be calling out Bont's efforts on the weekend.

[ratsmac]

Do it with someone less valuable then? If he's just in there to win the footy, why not make one of the lesser mids pretend to ruck and not risk injury to our best player.

There's legitimately no logic behind it.

He can't have a tagger hanging off him and giving sneaky elbows in the ribs if he's the dezo ruckman. It's a way to give him space at stoppages. It doesn't always work on our favour but neither does having a proper ruckman.

[Mantis]

The part where he got the loose contested ball. He wasn't played in the ruck to win the hit out.

Couldn't he have done that as a midfielder instead of pushing and shoving with a guy 10-15kg heavier?

[Mantis]

It worked and we won.;)

And the affect it has/had on Bont's body is of no concern? He looked absolutely buggered late in the game so lets hope he is right to go against GC this week... and for the rest of the season.

[bornadog]

And the affect it has/had on Bont's body is of no concern? He looked absolutely buggered late in the game so lets hope he is right to go against GC this week... and for the rest of the season.

You think the coaching staff are going to risk him? I think they know what they are doing.

[Mantis]

You think the coaching staff are going to risk him? I think they know what they are doing.

In what way? Play him when he isn't right or play him in the ruck again?

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

It worked and we won.;)

We won because of weaker opposition with our poor forward line still a worry. Always a risk to play your best player in a role that he is unfamiliar. In fairness without Campbell, Tom Boyd and two good fill in second stringers with a good spring in Jong and Dunckley, we had run out of options apart from English who is clearly not ready. The other possibility was Redpath who in spite of his size has little appeal in the ruck.

[always right]

Don't get the comments about Redpath in the ruck. In many games he's been more than competitive...at centre bounces anyway. Would rather him banging up his body than Bont.

[GVGjr]

And the affect it has/had on Bont's body is of no concern? He looked absolutely buggered late in the game so lets hope he is right to go against GC this week... and for the rest of the season.

He looked tired all through the game. It was a huge credit to him to be so productive for 4 quarters.

I'd certainly prefer that he wasn't used in the ruck that much at all but we are probably running out of options.

[bornadog]

Don't get the comments about Redpath in the ruck. In many games he's been more than competitive...at centre bounces anyway. Would rather him banging up his body than Bont.

Trouble was when he was in the Ruck, Roughy wasn't at FF, and that effected our structure.

[Remi Moses]

Few times he didn't even go up, so he became an extra in the middle .
Not a great fan of it , but like a Ferrari being driven on a dirt road .

[Rocket Science]

Bont being deployed in the ruck is the modern day equivalent of using Granty to fill the hole.

[bulldogtragic]

Bont being deployed in the ruck is the modern day equivalent of using Granty to fill the hole.

Those hits in Granty's neck got him nearly banned from the league on medical grounds.