AFL Round 19, 2017 Discussion

[Eastdog]

Round 19, 2017


Friday July 28

Hawthorn v Sydney MCG 7.50pm


Saturday July 29

North Melbourne v Melbourne Blundstone Arena 1.45pm

GWS v Fremantle Spotless Stadium 2.10pm

Port Adelaide v St Kilda Adelaide Oval 4.35pm

Gold Coast v Richmond Metricon Stadium 7.25pm

Carlton v Geelong Etihad Stadium 7.25pm


Sunday July 30

Western Bulldogs v Essendon Etihad Stadium 1.10pm

Collingwood v Adelaide MCG 3.20pm

West Coast v Brisbane Domain Stadium 4.40pm

[merantau]

Hawks v Sydney Interesting. Franklin drops Hodge with a swinging arm, very late. Nothing there according to commentators. McVeigh punches Langford in the face. Nothing there. Last week Jack Redpath throws a punch and commentators are all over it. Double standard.

[bornadog]

Hawks haven't kicked a goal in second half and now Swans lead by 2 points

[Pickenitup]

Great result for us swans could miss the eight tough draw

[Remi Moses]

Hawthorn just played the same gameplan from the last meeting .Sydney looked disorganised, and out coached .
Sydney have two easy games and two hard games , so they'll make it.

[Sedat]

Hawthorn just played the same gameplan from the last meeting .Sydney looked disorganised, and out coached .
Sydney have two easy games and two hard games , so they'll make it.
They've used up a lot of petrol tickets just to get back into the frame - would not surprise me if they hit a brick wall.

Fantastic result for us.

[bornadog]

They've used up a lot of petrol tickets just to get back into the frame - would not surprise me if they hit a brick wall.

Fantastic result for us.

Now for North to inflict some pain. But, we must win win win

[LostDoggy]

Now for North to inflict some pain. But, we must win win win

Only one bloke I think in Melbourne's team that has ever beaten north.

[anfo27]

Great result for us last night. What did everyone think of the score review? Seemed obvious to me the ball was punched through so the poor swans will be complaining about the umpires again but this time they were screwed. Must win for us tomorrow to take advantage of the swans slip up.

[Remi Moses]

They've used up a lot of petrol tickets just to get back into the frame - would not surprise me if they hit a brick wall.

Fantastic result for us.
Hope your're right . Just reckon Carlton and freo have turned their toes up

[Remi Moses]

Great result for us last night. What did everyone think of the score review? Seemed obvious to me the ball was punched through so the poor swans will be complaining about the umpires again but this time they were screwed. Must win for us tomorrow to take advantage of the swans slip up.

Absolute embarrassment , because they don't have clear cut technology . Looks like it's filmed from some grainy CCTV vision

[jeemak]

I attended within the MCC last night. It was a fairly underwhelming game for much of the night, given the fairly good conditions. Some of the tackling was good, some of the defence was good, some of the kicking was good, but it didn't really seem to get going to the heights it could have.

Being neutral I didn't dress in any teams colours. About 30 minutes after the game within the third level's/bar's men's room (which is essentially a large echo chamber) I happened to be relieving myself alone, only for a Hawthorn MCC attendee to enter the room, proceed to make a phone call and lambaste who I assumed to be his friend for being a homo. As he was standing at the urinal on the other side of the room he couldn't see that I was giving him a really of a strange look due to his homophobic tirade (I think he also used the insult "pilgrim" - so you can imagine what we're dealing with here).

However, another Hawthorn supporting MCC attendee did see the strange look I was giving this guy for his tirade. This person - obviously drunk - proceeded to death stare me as he walked passed and when just passed me unleashed an even bigger homophobic tirade. I can't explain how loud this guy was screaming about Sydney supporter gayness, the Madi Gras, gayness in general, the Madi Gras, Sydney only having gayness and Madi Gras - so on and so fourth. It definitely seemed directed at me.

So there's a snapshot of a heterosexual Bulldogs supporters (who when dressed neutrally obviously presents as a homosexual Sydney supporter) experience at the MCC last night. I have no idea how it feels to be abused and discriminated against due to my sexuality, I'm not sure if the experience I had last night provides some insight.

[Sedat]

Great result for us last night. What did everyone think of the score review? Seemed obvious to me the ball was punched through so the poor swans will be complaining about the umpires again but this time they were screwed. Must win for us tomorrow to take advantage of the swans slip up.
I say screw Sydney and Horse. Didn't hear a peep out of them when JJ was robbed of a goal because of crap technology in the GF last year. If whinging about umps was an Olympic sport Horse would win gold for Australia

[Rocket Science]

Early days but North going alright v the Dees.

Fingers crossed they've got more than a quarter in them and can go on with it, after which I'm bathing in acid to banish the stench of barracking for them.

[Happy Days]

I attended within the MCC last night. It was a fairly underwhelming game for much of the night, given the fairly good conditions. Some of the tackling was good, some of the defence was good, some of the kicking was good, but it didn't really seem to get going to the heights it could have.

Being neutral I didn't dress in any teams colours. About 30 minutes after the game within the third level's/bar's men's room (which is essentially a large echo chamber) I happened to be relieving myself alone, only for a Hawthorn MCC attendee to enter the room, proceed to make a phone call and lambaste who I assumed to be his friend for being a homo. As he was standing at the urinal on the other side of the room he couldn't see that I was giving him a really of a strange look due to his homophobic tirade (I think he also used the insult "pilgrim" - so you can imagine what we're dealing with here).

However, another Hawthorn supporting MCC attendee did see the strange look I was giving this guy for his tirade. This person - obviously drunk - proceeded to death stare me as he walked passed and when just passed me unleashed an even bigger homophobic tirade. I can't explain how loud this guy was screaming about Sydney supporter gayness, the Madi Gras, gayness in general, the Madi Gras, Sydney only having gayness and Madi Gras - so on and so fourth. It definitely seemed directed at me.

So there's a snapshot of a heterosexual Bulldogs supporters (who when dressed neutrally obviously presents as a homosexual Sydney supporter) experience at the MCC last night. I have no idea how it feels to be abused and discriminated against due to my sexuality, I'm not sure if the experience I had last night provides some insight.

Sounds about right. Last year at the Semi Final some drunk Hawks wanker (50 years old, pink Ralph shirt, looked like the personification of Pubic House over 28s) tried to fight me because I had the temerity to cheer a Shaun Burgoyne clanger, then tried to pick up my mum.

Old money sucks.

[jeemak]

There's an over 28's at the Public House?

[Happy Days]

There's an over 28's at the Public House?

If it exists this guy would be the life of the party.

[Rocket Science]

Hawks beat Swans
Norf beats Melbourne
Freo level with GWS in the last

Don't look now but the planets might be aligning ...

[bornadog]

Hawks beat Swans
Norf beats Melbourne
Freo level with GWS in the last

Don't look now but the planets might be aligning ...

We have a big opportunity.

[ledge]

Freo are gone but we have had a good run so far this round, if we can win it will be huge.

[merantau]

I attended within the MCC last night. It was a fairly underwhelming game for much of the night, given the fairly good conditions. Some of the tackling was good, some of the defence was good, some of the kicking was good, but it didn't really seem to get going to the heights it could have.

Being neutral I didn't dress in any teams colours. About 30 minutes after the game within the third level's/bar's men's room (which is essentially a large echo chamber) I happened to be relieving myself alone, only for a Hawthorn MCC attendee to enter the room, proceed to make a phone call and lambaste who I assumed to be his friend for being a homo. As he was standing at the urinal on the other side of the room he couldn't see that I was giving him a really of a strange look due to his homophobic tirade (I think he also used the insult "pilgrim" - so you can imagine what we're dealing with here).

However, another Hawthorn supporting MCC attendee did see the strange look I was giving this guy for his tirade. This person - obviously drunk - proceeded to death stare me as he walked passed and when just passed me unleashed an even bigger homophobic tirade. I can't explain how loud this guy was screaming about Sydney supporter gayness, the Madi Gras, gayness in general, the Madi Gras, Sydney only having gayness and Madi Gras - so on and so fourth. It definitely seemed directed at me.

So there's a snapshot of a heterosexual Bulldogs supporters (who when dressed neutrally obviously presents as a homosexual Sydney supporter) experience at the MCC last night. I have no idea how it feels to be abused and discriminated against due to my sexuality, I'm not sure if the experience I had last night provides some insight.

Symptomatic of deep seated hatred of difference. And their team won the game! What a pair of tossers.

[Remi Moses]

Come on Jee, they're long four week suffering hawk fans .

[Remi Moses]

Did anyone see that idiot Heath Shaw spraying ( I think it was Corr) after the game ?Theyve won the game and that pillick is abusing a teammate .

[Sedat]

I guess it was too much to expect a Giants loss as well as a Melbourne loss. The Dees implosion has done us a massive and unexpected favour, and they now have to travel to Canberra next week to play the Giants.

Top 4 is done and dusted for us but the top 8 is now very much in play.

[bornadog]

I guess it was too much to expect a Giants loss as well as a Melbourne loss. The Dees implosion has done us a massive and unexpected favour, and they now have to travel to Canberra next week to play the Giants.

Top 4 is done and dusted for us but the top 8 is now very much in play.

What is a better win, Port or Saints? Somehow a Saints win would open the 8 even more.

[Sedat]

What is a better win, Port or Saints? Somehow a Saints win would open the 8 even more.
Pros and cons with both. Saints win opens up the Port top 8 spot (and we play them later in the season) but it would also give us another challenger for a top 8 spot. Port winning will kill off the Saints for good, especially if they smash them and wreck their percentage

Plus the Saints give me the shits so I want them to get smashed :D

[hujsh]

Not sure Bornadog.

Port losing helps make another spot available and the worse form they're in the better for us when we play in Ballarat but St.Kilda losing helps make sure hey can't jump us.

They've got WCE at Etihad, Melbourne at the G and North at Etihad. All are hard to predict and could help us as long as they don't win all three and end up ahead of us.

[Rocket Science]

Jeez the Saints-Port game's a grim spectacle. A clumsy, exhausting, error-riddled grind.

May they continue to smash the shite out of each other.

[jeemak]

I would turned it off!

[hujsh]

4 points in it with 7 and a half minutes left Saints lead.

Still not sure what I want to happen though

[Rocket Science]

4 points in it with 7 and a half minutes left Saints lead.

Still not sure what I want to happen though

When feeling torn I barrack for knee injuries.

[hujsh]

Well it's St.Kilda

[hujsh]

Well it's St.Kilda

Well nevermind

[Rocket Science]

Errr ...

[Rocket Science]

Wow. That loss has to break the Aints ...

[Sedat]

Lol. Love a good hard luck story - couldn't happen to a better bunch of arseholes.

[ledge]

I love the way half the port fans walked out and missed it :-)

[bulldogtragic]

Half the crowd didn't see that ending!

[Rocket Science]

Okay Suns, don't be party poopers, time to do your bit for the cause ...

[jeemak]

RS, I actually watched last few minutes. Wow!

How did they let Gray get goal side and how did the leave space for him to run into?

[ledge]

How biased was riccuto in the last few minutes , he actually cheered Port on !

[Rocket Science]

RS, I actually watched last few minutes. Wow!

How did they let Gray get goal side and how did the leave space for him to run into?

Ha! It was very Richmondy defending, and Port could smell it.

[Remi Moses]

Wow! A million coaches, and a million meetings , and that ;) .
What Sedat said

[jeemak]

How biased was riccuto in the last few minutes , he actually cheered Port on !

Noticed the same thing, he's rubbish.

[westdog54]

Ha! It was very Richmondy defending, and Port could smell it.

Just saw the clip.

That is *!*!*!*!ing insipid St Kilda.

[Rocket Science]

A quarter down Gold Coast look pleasingly up for it against Richmond.

Go you good thing.

[Twodogs]

I guess it was too much to expect a Giants loss as well as a Melbourne loss. The Dees implosion has done us a massive and unexpected favour, and they now have to travel to Canberra next week to play the Giants.

Top 4 is done and dusted for us but the top 8 is now very much in play.


I reckon the top 4 still very much in play mate. We are only 8 points off it with a game in hand. Im not conceding until its impossible to do because this group can do anything, they have proved that and only a fool would write them off (I'm not saying you are a fool BTW. You stuck firm but a few posters here could do with taking a good, hard, long look at themselves with their Chicken Little behavior)

Tomorrow is so bloody important. almost our most important game since October last year.

[Eastdog]

Top 4 for sure is still a possibility.

[merantau]

RS, I actually watched last few minutes. Wow!

How did they let Gray get goal side and how did the leave space for him to run into?
Couldn't agree more. That was primary school defending.

[Eastdog]

If the Lions could miraculously upset the Eagles in Perth tomorrow and we win I think will be in the 8 at the end of the round.

[Rocket Science]

A quarter down Gold Coast look pleasingly up for it against Richmond.

Go you good thing.

Fear I've spoken too soon.

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As everyone knows, and none more acutely than the club, how we present tomorrow is critical and will answer so many questions.

If we get up, and unsheath some of our best footy every team in the eight will have at least one eye on the rear vision mirror with a sense of dread.

If ...

[Twodogs]

Fear I've spoken too soon.

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As everyone knows, and none more acutely than the club, how we present tomorrow is critical and will answer so many questions.

If we get up, and unsheath some of our best footy every team in the eight will have at least one eye on the rear vision mirror with a sense of dread.

If ...

Not if, when. I hope.

Seriously win tomorrow and the competition will shudder.

[Remi Moses]

The Liam Jones bubble has burst .

[Rocket Science]

The commentary box doing their predictable best to absolve Dangerfield of any responsibility for pinning a bloke's arms and pile driving his head into the ground.

Have a spell champ.

[Rocket Science]

Not if, when. I hope.

Seriously win tomorrow and the competition will shudder.

Hope the lads come out just as bullishly.

[ratsmac]

The commentary box doing their predictable best to absolve Dangerfield of any responsibility for pinning a bloke's arms and pile driving his head into the ground.

Have a spell champ.

Going by the past the precedent has been set that a tackle like that is at least 1 week. I bet the AEFL won't have the balls to do it though.

[Remi Moses]

My God Darcy advocated for having the " Best players out there " line.
So, we have a different set of rules for non Brownlow footballers !
Never heard such nonsense

[Eastdog]

My God Darcy advocated for having the " Best players out there " line.
So, we have a different set of rules for non Brownlow footballers !
Never heard such nonsense

Yeah just because there Brownlow winners should not mean they get special privileges.

[ledge]

Yeah just because there Brownlow winners should not mean they get special privileges.

They always have unless it is was C.Grant.
Especially ones who are favourite to win it in that year.
I back Dangerfield doesn't even get cited.

[comrade]

My God Darcy advocated for having the " Best players out there " line.
So, we have a different set of rules for non Brownlow footballers !
Never heard such nonsense

The umpires have different rules for star players, no surprises if the MRP follows suit.

[Rocket Science]

And the boilovers continue.

Incredibly, the Pies 6 goals up vs the Crows with half time approaching.

[Twodogs]

And the boilovers continue.

Incredibly, the Pies 6 goals up vs the Crows with half time approaching.

Hope Brisbane can match them.

[bulldogtragic]

Fair game between Woods & Crows.

[bulldogtragic]

Fair game between Woods & Crows.
Great finish.

Draw.

[bornadog]

Great finish.

Draw.

Pies threw that one away.

[bulldogtragic]

Pies threw that one away.

I wonder in that seals FIGJAM's fate?

[azabob]

How good was McGoverns mark?

[azabob]

I wonder in that seals FIGJAM's fate?

Don't think so. That's more of a tick than a cross.

[ledge]

I think the players are playing for Buckley still , it's more a players list that's struggling, no big forwards and no big backs, he got rid of Cloke Witts and a few others for mids , if he can pick up some decent talls they will be hard to beat.
I don't think he will get the flick.

[GVGjr]

I wonder in that seals FIGJAM's fate?

It shouldn't. He's a good coach in my view.

[jeemak]

It shouldn't. He's a good coach in my view.

They dumb arse shouldn't have bothered coaching Collingwood.

[hujsh]

They dumb arse shouldn't have bothered coaching Collingwood.

I'd love to know what this means

[jeemak]

I'd love to know what this means

Ha.

Bucks should have known he was on a hiding to nothing career wise by coaching Collingwood. He should have done one or two more seasons there as an assistant and moved on to another club where he could have had an impact without worrying about a legacy.

He's really smart, and actually becoming more and more humble as the days go by. I think he could have been an excellent coach, but instead, he's been a victim of the horse manure Eddie has ensured that club has been eating for half a decade since Bucks took the job on.

[ledge]

Ha.

Bucks should have known he was on a hiding to nothing career wise by coaching Collingwood. He should have done one or two more seasons there as an assistant and moved on to another club where he could have had an impact without worrying about a legacy.

He's really smart, and actually becoming more and more humble as the days go by. I think he could have been an excellent coach, but instead, he's been a victim of the horse manure Eddie has ensured that club has been eating for half a decade since Bucks took the job on.

I agree he should have gone to other clubs and learnt different clubs strengths/ weaknesses etc. Hird, Voss and him are proof you can't come in and coach without experience at other clubs , you must do an apprenticeship first no matter how good a player you were.

[merantau]

Buckley is a smart guy but he needs to get away from Collingwood pronto. McGuire has been disastrous for Collingwood if you look at the big picture. Biggest and one of the wealthiest clubs for a long time but that has not been translated into sustained on-field success. Compare them to Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney - they come up short. McGuire's decision to bring back Gubby Alan, whilst knowing the history the drug use cover up scandal at GWS, was reckless.

[Murphy'sLore]

Amazing finish to the Collingwood/Adelaide game. I was surprised to find myself barracking for Buckley. I've really warmed to him this year, he's been very dignified in a difficult situation not entirely of his making. Imagine one of those whingeing Scotts in his shoes!

[Twodogs]

Ha.

Bucks should have known he was on a hiding to nothing career wise by coaching Collingwood. He should have done one or two more seasons there as an assistant and moved on to another club where he could have had an impact without worrying about a legacy.

He's really smart, and actually becoming more and more humble as the days go by. I think he could have been an excellent coach, but instead, he's been a victim of the horse manure Eddie has ensured that club has been eating for half a decade since Bucks took the job on.


I agree he should have gone to other clubs and learnt different clubs strengths/ weaknesses etc. Hird, Voss and him are proof you can't come in and coach without experience at other clubs , you must do an apprenticeship first no matter how good a player you were.

Norm Smith is the greatest coach of all time and he wasn't just handed the reins by Melbourne when he retired as a player. He went to Fitzroy for three years before taking over from Checker Hughes in 1952. But the apprenticeship served him and Melbourne well because he won flags in 1955, 56, 57, 59, 60 that's 5 in 6 years. The worst thing Eddie ever did to Bucks was to "save" him from coaching North Melbourne.

[macca]

Would Bucks be a good assistant for us? Leppich going to the Tigers he could be one of the factors they had a good turn around. Bevo would know some insight from his time at the pies

[Mantis]

Buckley is a smart guy but he needs to get away from Collingwood pronto. McGuire has been disastrous for Collingwood if you look at the big picture. Biggest and one of the wealthiest clubs for a long time but that has not been translated into sustained on-field success. Compare them to Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney - they come up short. McGuire's decision to bring back Gubby Alan, whilst knowing the history the drug use cover up scandal at GWS, was reckless.

When Eddie took over Collingwood were on their knees.. Built them into an absolute powerhouse off the field.

Can't believe you could be so far off the mark.

[westdog54]

When Eddie took over Collingwood were on their knees.. Built them into an absolute powerhouse off the field.

Can't believe you could be so far off the mark.

Yep, badly mismanaged through the 90s. Club would have been stuffed had McGuire not taken over when he did.

[ledge]

McGuire has done brilliant at the pies but maybe has crossed the line a little much with the football side of things.
He is extremely media savvy and business articulate but his football decisions are the question.

[Sedat]

How good was McGoverns mark?
How could a chubby short spud like Andrew McGovern spawn 2 fantastic AFL players?

[bornadog]

How could a chubby short spud like Andrew McGovern spawn 2 fantastic AFL players?

Their mother. :D

[azabob]

How could a chubby short spud like Andrew McGovern spawn 2 fantastic AFL players?

I didn't know that. That is even crazier and I guess explains why Jeremy can look over weight and was even sent away from the club to get fit a few years back!