AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants

[mjp]

He'll be better for the run - he needed the hitout in order to get him some valuable match time for the coming weeks. Also there was no VFL game on so there was no option to get some game time at the lower level - probably why we rushed Dunkley into the senior team after only 1 VFL game.

It failed on Friday night but coming in cold against Port might have failed as well.

As a coach said to me once: "You'll be better for the run, but FAAAARRRRRKKKKKK. I mean, I know just getting through the game was the important thing, but...."

[ratsmac]

Here's a vexing question. If Greene gets off he will be pivotal in helping GWS overcome West Coke, which we desperately need in order to keep our finals hopes alive. It is actually a disadvantage to us if Greene cops a week for his Jackie Chan impersonation.

Do we want Greene to get off?

Gee thanks for putting a dampener on me wanting Greene to get 8 weeks ;)

My answer to your question is no because I hate GWS, I hate Greene and us making the finals is probably a stretch anyway.

[josie]

I still think Cloke was ok and has been in most games. Delivery into the 50 - accuracy and speed - has been more the issue for the whole year. Thought he deserved to keep his spot way more than Stringer. Also what has happened to Roughy? Last year he regularly took marks around the ground. This year I am quite shocked when any of our players takes a contested mark. A lot of things to work on in off-season.

[josie]

I too want Thugreene to cop weeks.

[bornadog]

I don't disagree with you.

I would like to see English come in for our final 2 games at the expense of Redpath but this doesn't address our deplorable entries into the 50 from the likes of our young leaders in Hunter, Macrae and Dahlhaus. They have become so poor at this that they are now gunshy, devoid of confidence, whenever it's their turn to deliver the required disposal.

Whilst I agree with MJP that Redpath and Cloke are just ordinary footballers, I also think the ability of our mids you mention are really below par. They may get a lot of the ball, but the delivery to the forwards as well as around the ground are pathetic to say the least. We have known this all year, and there is not much we can do about it, other than get them to practise, practise, practise.

[bornadog]

Here's a vexing question. If Greene gets off he will be pivotal in helping GWS overcome West Coke, which we desperately need in order to keep our finals hopes alive. It is actually a disadvantage to us if Greene cops a week for his Jackie Chan impersonation.

Do we want Greene to get off?

yep, I want him to pay for what he did, he is a little turd and shouldn't get away with it.

PS: West coke has no chance.

[boydogs]

Do we want Greene to get off?

We probably do. We'd probably like to play with 19 men as well, but it's against the rules. You can't kick a bloke in the face

[Twodogs]

He'll be better for the run - he needed the hitout in order to get him some valuable match time for the coming weeks. Also there was no VFL game on so there was no option to get some game time at the lower level - probably why we rushed Dunkley into the senior team after only 1 VFL game.

It failed on Friday night but coming in cold against Port might have failed as well.

Footscray having the bye this weekend was a real impediment.


Gee thanks for putting a dampener on me wanting Greene to get 8 weeks ;)

My answer to your question is no because I hate GWS, I hate Greene and us making the finals is probably a stretch anyway.

Our best result is Greene getting weeks and GWS being so fired up about it that they blow West Coast away.


This is a normal action and always straight?

http://i.imgur.com/lVuxM1l.jpg

What's he looking at in the fourth frame? He has taken his eyes off the ball the for a start and his boot is still in Dahl's face. His head is turned and you an see his right eye

[Sedat]

yep, I want him to pay for what he did, he is a little turd and shouldn't get away with it.

PS: West coke has no chance.
If he gets suspended, I want 4 weeks minimum - the AFL will hate the optics and I reckon they'll want to make a statement "for the good of the game". On the flipside I'd hate for him to get 1 week only, and would prefer he got nothing to be honest. Him playing next week will be more helpful to the Dogs.

Philosophically, I think he should get mutiple weeks - you just cannot condone the action of raising the foot to the head in open play.

PS - WC beat GWS at Spotless in the corresponding round last year. It's not impossible especially with Greene out of the side - he might be a prick but he is an absolute jet of a player.

[mjp]

Whilst I agree with MJP that Redpath and Cloke are just ordinary footballers, I also think the ability of our mids you mention are really below par. They may get a lot of the ball, but the delivery to the forwards as well as around the ground are pathetic to say the least. We have known this all year, and there is not much we can do about it, other than get them to practise, practise, practise.

But since we KNOW this, why pick a forward line with players who are incapable of applying any kind of pressure on the way out (let alone picking the ball up off the deck and kicking a second chance score). You don't have to think back too far to a forward line that was outsized but had players who genuinely wanted to keep the ball in - Cordy, Picken, TM, Dunkley...we are so far from that team I know but selecting BOTH Cloke and Redpath is not helping.

[Mantis]

But since we KNOW this, why pick a forward line with players who are incapable of applying any kind of pressure on the way out (let alone picking the ball up off the deck and kicking a second chance score). You don't have to think back too far to a forward line that was outsized but had players who genuinely wanted to keep the ball in - Cordy, Picken, TM, Dunkley...we are so far from that team I know but selecting BOTH Cloke and Redpath is not helping.

Why is it just Cloke & Redpath's fault? Wallis, Dickson & Stringer don't have the ability to keep the ball in the fowardline either.

[mjp]

Why is it just Cloke & Redpath's fault? Wallis, Dickson & Stringer don't have the ability to keep the ball in the fowardline either.

It isn't Cloke and Redpath's fault at all - they don't pick the side - ...and I have already said on this thread that playing those two with a clearly under-done Stringer was a bad idea (or rather, bringing a clearly underdone Stringer into a team that already had Redpath and Cloke) was a bad idea...Dickson actually does have the ability to lock the ball in so not sure where you are coming from there. Wallis seems broken atm but I sort of get why they are still playing him.

I have been baffled with selection for probably 3 years though - in the past, things just always 'worked out' and I was clearly WRONG. 5 changes? No worries. Blokes straight back in with questionable form and fitness? No worries. Unbalanced? No worries. When we played Geelong though and Bontempelli had to ruck despite Redpath and Cloke playing...that was a clear sign that those two would be unable to contribute at senior level. If either was to kick 2 goals in a game (don't count ones from 'broken' play when there lack of chase/defence gets them the equivalent of a Joe the Goose) it would be a miracle. Things aren't great with the mids at the moment but if you are +20 in a quarter for i50's and the score is 3 goals apiece, well, stuff is broken and broken badly.

As my post said, we aren't the team we were but selecting an unbalanced side is not helping.

[Ozza]

Just on Dickson...with Stringer, Redpath and Cloke in the side on Friday - I'm sure everyone else was sharing my frustration of seeing Dickson lining up on the wing for significant periods of the game. After he'd found some form playing deep forward two weeks ago - and after missing one with a quad - we've got him back up high forward and wing. I just can't understand that one.

[bornadog]

It isn't Cloke and Redpath's fault at all - they don't pick the side - ...and I have already said on this thread that playing those two with a clearly under-done Stringer was a bad idea (or rather, bringing a clearly underdone Stringer into a team that already had Redpath and Cloke) was a bad idea...Dickson actually does have the ability to lock the ball in so not sure where you are coming from there. Wallis seems broken atm but I sort of get why they are still playing him.

I have been baffled with selection for probably 3 years though - in the past, things just always 'worked out' and I was clearly WRONG. 5 changes? No worries. Blokes straight back in with questionable form and fitness? No worries. Unbalanced? No worries. When we played Geelong though and Bontempelli had to ruck despite Redpath and Cloke playing...that was a clear sign that those two would be unable to contribute at senior level. If either was to kick 2 goals in a game (don't count ones from 'broken' play when there lack of chase/defence gets them the equivalent of a Joe the Goose) it would be a miracle. Things aren't great with the mids at the moment but if you are +20 in a quarter for i50's and the score is 3 goals apiece, well, stuff is broken and broken badly.

As my post said, we aren't the team we were but selecting an unbalanced side is not helping.

The current injuries are also playing a big part in our selection. I thought we may be ok with both Redpath and Cloke, but I was wrong and agree with you. We tried Clay who is a great tackler, but he has slowed down even more than last year. Bailey Dale and Hunter off the backline also didn't work well, particularly Dale.

That leaves a dilemma, who should come in and who goes out?

[Twodogs]

Why is it just Cloke & Redpath's fault? Wallis, Dickson & Stringer don't have the ability to keep the ball in the fowardline either.


It isn't Cloke and Redpath's fault at all - they don't pick the side - ...and I have already said on this thread that playing those two with a clearly under-done Stringer was a bad idea (or rather, bringing a clearly underdone Stringer into a team that already had Redpath and Cloke) was a bad idea...Dickson actually does have the ability to lock the ball in so not sure where you are coming from there. Wallis seems broken atm but I sort of get why they are still playing him.

I have been baffled with selection for probably 3 years though - in the past, things just always 'worked out' and I was clearly WRONG. 5 changes? No worries. Blokes straight back in with questionable form and fitness? No worries. Unbalanced? No worries. When we played Geelong though and Bontempelli had to ruck despite Redpath and Cloke playing...that was a clear sign that those two would be unable to contribute at senior level. If either was to kick 2 goals in a game (don't count ones from 'broken' play when there lack of chase/defence gets them the equivalent of a Joe the Goose) it would be a miracle. Things aren't great with the mids at the moment but if you are +20 in a quarter for i50's and the score is 3 goals apiece, well, stuff is broken and broken badly.

As my post said, we aren't the team we were but selecting an unbalanced side is not helping.


GWS seemed happy to park it in our forward line on our behalf. And when we kick a cumulative total of 18.37 or whatever it was we kicked over the two games, why not? That's 146 points or just over 24 goals we scored over the two games. You'd back yourself to kick more than 12 goals a game.

18.37 is 55 scoring shots. Even if we didn't miss twice as many as we kicked and just evened that score up it would be 27.27. And I know it's because 15 players from the opposition are crowding space and forcing us wide and otherwise interfering but we miss a lit of easy shots.

[bornadog]

Just on Dickson...with Stringer, Redpath and Cloke in the side on Friday - I'm sure everyone else was sharing my frustration of seeing Dickson lining up on the wing for significant periods of the game. After he'd found some form playing deep forward two weeks ago - and after missing one with a quad - we've got him back up high forward and wing. I just can't understand that one.

I too was perplexed why Dickson would be playing on the wing.

Dale in the backline didn't work either, but I can understand the move, with JJ out, Bevo was looking for some run and bounce from the backline. Stringer also played a lot as a loose man in the backline to try and stem the GWS run from their backline to forward. Unfortunately, our forward line was congested for most of the game and it was difficult to score, whereas their forward line was pretty clear with Patton and Lobbe (two smart arses), sitting there waiting to take marks.

Dickson should be in a forward pocket hanging around Redpath, or Cloke to take the crumbs.

[mjp]

I too was perplexed why Dickson would be playing on the wing.


Well...because with Cloke AND Redpath AND Stringer there aren't that many forward line spots left (we usually only play 5) so everyone else is going to have to spend time at half back and in the midfield. You have to share the running workload somehow.

[bornadog]

Well...because with Cloke AND Redpath AND Stringer there aren't that many forward line spots left (we usually only play 5) so everyone else is going to have to spend time at half back and in the midfield. You have to share the running workload somehow.

Redpath suspended gets rid of one of them. :D

On Stringer, he seemed to play a lot as a loose backman Friday. I don't think he spent a lot of time up forward.

[mjp]

Redpath suspended gets rid of one of them. :D

On Stringer, he seemed to play a lot as a loose backman Friday. I don't think he spent a lot of time up forward.
Yeah I noticed that as well. But if he is going to play back, why make him the spare? Make Cordy or even Young the spare and let them go 3rd up to impact on the marking contest with a defensive mindset rather than giving someone who will naturally be thinking about goals and attacking permission to play on no one?

With a spare back btw that still means a forward will have to be spat out to the midfield which is what happened to TD.

[Twodogs]

I can remember when a huge shock tactic was changing the CHB and CHF around. Or swapping the wingmen was a big favourite.

[Twodogs]

I hope that our fan that tipped the beer over Greene gets a long ban from attending AFL games. Weak act


Apparently that never happened

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthread.php?17335-AFL-Game-Day-Round-21-2017-Western-Bulldogs-V-GWS-Giants&p=567942#post567942

Greene will get 4 weeks IMO


It's all gone very quiet on the beer that was allegedly poured on Toby Greene, hasn't it? Maybe it was an accident after all?

But no mention of an apology for the unfounded accusations from GWS. They are a class act.

[SonofScray]

It's all gone very quiet on the beer that was allegedly poured on Toby Greene, hasn't it? Maybe it was an accident after all?

But no mention of an apology for the unfounded accusations from GWS. They are a class act.
It was a Furphy.

[Twodogs]

It was a Furphy.


Certainly was. A classic diversionary tactic.

[bornadog]

It's all gone very quiet on the beer that was allegedly poured on Toby Greene, hasn't it? Maybe it was an accident after all?

But no mention of an apology for the unfounded accusations from GWS. They are a class act.

Stadium Management said they had no vision and were asking people to dob the guy in. Of course no one will do that. In any case, as can be seen from the pics, the beer was never poured over his head, missed by a mile.

[bornadog]

wrong thread

[Twodogs]

Stadium Management said they had no vision and were asking people to dob the guy in. Of course no one will do that. In any case, as can be seen from the pics, the beer was never poured over his head, missed by a mile.


The beer was deliberately knocked out of a bulldogs supporters hand by a GWS supporter. I know.

[Twodogs]

It's all gone very quiet on the beer that was allegedly poured on Toby Greene, hasn't it? Maybe it was an accident after all?

But no mention of an apology for the unfounded accusations from GWS. They are a class act.


We can't ignore this. GWS attempted to malign our club in a coordinated lie in a pathetic attempt to garner sympathy for Toby Greene.

What are we going to do about it?

[Rocket Science]

Engineer some soft diplomacy from the Bont to help poach Kelly?

Comprehensively smash them in the contest and on the scoreboard next time we meet them?

Task Zaine with kicking Greene's head clean off in a marking contest because that's evidently kosher?

Any of the above would be lovely please and thank you.

[Twodogs]

Engineer some soft diplomacy from the Bont to help poach Kelly?

Comprehensively smash them in the contest and on the scoreboard next time we meet them?

Task Zaine with kicking Greene's head clean off in a marking contest because that's evidently kosher?

Any of the above would be lovely please and thank you.


I was going to try and rate those 3 fine suggestions. But it's impossible.

Reckon you could raffle the Toby Greene task off for the player trip fund.