Deja Vu. A letter to Jake Stringer from a fan.

[Dancin' Douggy]

http://www.starweekly.com.au/news/bulldogs-fan-digs-deep-to-keep-stringer-at-club/

[always right]

That is gold.....but perhaps the letter needs to go the club.

[chef]

Yep. Needs to be addressed to Beverage, not Jake.

[chef]

3AW are saying we've parted ways with Jake and he wants a trade to the Bombers or Cats.

Thats just *!*!*!*!ing great. Well done Bulldogs.

[GVGjr]

3AW are saying we've parted ways with Jake and he wants a trade to the Bombers or Cats.

Thats just *!*!*!*!ing great. Well done Bulldogs.

Why are you critical of the club in this instance? Do you know why strong words were spoken?

[chef]

Why are you critical of the club in this instance? Do you know why strong words were spoken?

I'm critical because of how highly I rate Jake. He's not the only one whos had issues this season and I hope we aren't trying to make a statement with him.

This is going to bite us on the arse IMO.

[ledge]

Well they will need some very good trade offers to get him.
Not sure how Geelong can pay him and not sure Essendon have much to offer.
We will have a bidding war that will cost them overs.
I think that's most clubs have been mentioned now. Talk about the media hedging their bets, if he goes they will all jump up and down and say they knew it , if he stays they all look like idiots and shut up with no apologies for talking crap and move on to some other rumour.

[ledge]

I'm critical because of how highly I rate Jake. He's not the only one whos had issues this season and I hope we aren't trying to make a statement with him.

This is going to bite us on the arse IMO.

I hope it bites us on the arse like the Griffen walk out did, no player is bigger than the club.

[chef]

https://omny.fm/shows/3aw-sportsday/mitch-cleary-with-the-latest-on-jake-stringer

[Remi Moses]

If he has walked we must ensure we get the best possible deal done
Pick 10 from Essendon has to be requested

[GVGjr]

I'm critical because of how highly I rate Jake. He's not the only one whos had issues this season and I hope we aren't trying to make a statement with him.

This is going to bite us on the arse IMO.

So your criticism of the club is primarily based on your love of Jake and a mere perception that you think they might be trying to make a statement with him?

You've been a massive supporter of Bevo and have typically believed he can do no wrong and yet you appear to be giving an almighty whack to him and the club with not much more than a Dennis Denuto 'it's the vibe' to support the position.

We need to hear more about what is happening without being too critical of the club. At the moment there isn't a lot of clarity.

[chef]

I hope it bites us on the arse like the Griffen walk out did, no player is bigger than the club.

Here's hoping it does. But i have doubts it will though.

[chef]

So your criticism of the club is primarily based on your love of Jake and a mere perception that you think they might be trying to make a statement with him?

You've been a massive supporter of Bevo and have typically believed he can do no wrong and yet you appear to be giving an almighty whack to him and the club with not much more than a Dennis Denuto 'it's the vibe' to support the position.

We need to hear more about what is happening without being too critical of the club. At the moment there isn't a lot of clarity.

Yeah dunno mate, not everything seems so rosy to me anymore. Nothing wrong with being critical or disagreeing with whats happening at the club. A lot has gone wrong this year and everyone deserves a bit of criticism.

[ledge]

There is a lot of outside noise but no reassurance from the club on anything.
No denying of any of it is the scary part.
Although I do remember PG saying a few years ago the club will say nothing until things are done recruiting wise.
Admittedly the way the media are on us we would spend all our time discussing stuff and not get anything done!

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

The last time i checked out BF was the day Griff walked out. Reading the comments about all the gloom and doom and conjecture did my head in...
I just checked it out again for the first time since then...Why????
Clearly I've learned nothing....and now with all that scuttlebutt in my head...clearly I am going to have to remain fall down drunk for the next month til this is all sorted...and the hyperbole done with......
I knew I should not have gone there...I knew it...

[GVGjr]

Yeah dunno mate, not everything seems so rosy to me anymore. Nothing wrong with being critical or disagreeing with whats happening at the club. A lot has gone wrong this year and everyone deserves a bit of criticism.

The fact that we don't know what is happening points to the fact that not everything is rosy but I don't know how anyone can side with the player based on the bits and pieces we are hearing.

A lot has gone wrong and I would have thought we should all want the club to take a firmer stance with under performing players

[bulldogsman]

Stringer was at the game on Sunday, he must have some love for the club and guy's there. Maybe there's a chance he says to the club he doesn't want to be traded. Maybe the club wants that sort of commitment from him. Is it really too late for the club and Stringer to patch things up?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

It's a delicate position; I'm open to trading him but only if we aren't happy with his attitude and commitment and are absolutely convinced beyond any doubt that he can't and won't turn it around.

The whole club is on the nose again at the minute - incredibly disappointing.

[KT31]

Trade him to North for pick 4, I couldn't give two @&$(s what club he wants to go to.

[ratsmac]

You got it all wrong fellas. This is all a smoke screen to get Kelly to the Dogs. We are using a Stringer "fall out" as a diversion so every club will try work out whether they can come up with some sort of trade scenario and at the 11th hour just like Hurley, Stringer extends his contract leaving all the clubs standing there with their 8 day clock in their hand. All the while we just convinced Kelly to come to the Dogs.

I like to dream sometimes.

[kruder]

Having it play out in the media is so disappointing we have lost all leverage for mine. All I can say is the both parties loose on this deal, worst time to sell and from Jake's perspective worst time to sign a new deal. How did we get here again?

[comrade]

Trade him to North for pick 4, I couldn't give two @&$(s what club he wants to go to.

I am 100% in your camp IF all the conjecture is true (he received criticism at his exit interview and is using it as an excuse to jump ship, his manager has been talking to clubs during the season, he's a terrible example of a professional athlete in terms of training and preparation standards).

He's a contracted player and one of our best paid. How dare he and his manager attempt to dictate and demand where he ends up. If our brains trust has any testicular fortitude we will fight tooth and nail on this. He either goes to the club of our choosing based on the best deal OR he stays and rots in the VFL/sits out an entire year.

[craigsahibee]

Stringer was at the game on Sunday, he must have some love for the club and guy's there. Maybe there's a chance he says to the club he doesn't want to be traded. Maybe the club wants that sort of commitment from him. Is it really too late for the club and Stringer to patch things up?

Or maybe he's looking for a move to Port Melbourne! His form at times this year warrants such a move (along with many others). ;)

FWIW, I want him to stay. There's too much upside left in his career to see it in another clubs guernsey.

[Jeanette54]

There are ways, and there are ways of critiquing someone's performance; and one of those methods is to show some empathy for the person concerned.

Jake has lost what is probably the most serious relationship in his young life. Think of your own experience, gutted is not even close to the way that feels. He might even believe that he has given all he had left inside to give to the club this year, at some personal cost to his own welfare. In which case he may not have appreciated a "bake" during the end of year assessment of his performance.

Pure surmise, because one can't really know. But if this is the case then one cannot really blame him for saying, well if that's not good enough then get stuffed, I will go elsewhere.

Maybe it was a time when he most needed support, and an acknowledgment of his effort, not criticism.

I think we should be a little less critical with our comments, after all we have seen nothing from Jake with regard to his position.

[Topdog]

There are ways, and there are ways of critiquing someone's performance; and one of those methods is to show some empathy for the person concerned.

Jake has lost what is probably the most serious relationship in his young life. Think of your own experience, gutted is not even close to the way that feels. He might even believe that he has given all he had left inside to give to the club this year, at some personal cost to his own welfare. In which case he may not have appreciated a "bake" during the end of year assessment of his performance.

Pure surmise, because one can't really know. But if this is the case then one cannot really blame him for saying, well if that's not good enough then get stuffed, I will go elsewhere.

Maybe it was a time when he most needed support, and an acknowledgment of his effort, not criticism.

I think we should be a little less critical with our comments, after all we have seen nothing from Jake with regard to his position.

That all happened last year. If you dont see some improvement within 12 months you have to start asking some serious questions.

[ledge]

That all happened last year. If you dont see some improvement within 12 months you have to start asking some serious questions.

From what I'm hearing his problems with training etc go back a lot longer than before his split up.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Mark Stevens on ch 7 news saying Jake won't be back at the club and that Richmond have weighed in.
Syonara Jake, if you think your issues are because of the club, then just keep hanging out the back for cheap ones falling into your lap.

[GVGjr]

Mark Stevens on ch 7 news saying Jake won't be back at the club and that Richmond have weighed in.
Syonara Jake, if you think your issues are because of the club, then just keep hanging out the back for cheap ones falling into your lap.

If true the more suitors the better. Perhaps we could even get involved in a Gibbs, Lever, Stringer type trade scenario.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

It appears to me that there has been an undermining of Bevo's authority in the Stringer saga.I would seriously doubt that given the discipline that Hardwick has brought to Richmond that they would want to entertain him. The media hype that surrounded Jake from day one leading to the breakdown of his marriage would strongly suggest he has lost his way. Jake was at his best 3 seasons ago when Crameri Dickson and Dahlhaus were all firing and with far greater support he became a very good player. This isn't the case at the moment given our ordinary attack. The Club has been placed in a terrible situation. A situation that may lead to a parting of the ways.

[cinder]

Anyone got a HS subscription to read this?

Link (https://myaccount.news.com.au/heraldsun/subscribe?pkgDef=HS_PDO_P0415A_W04&directSubscribe=true&b=true&sourceCode=HSWEB_MRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/luke-beveridge-and-western-bulldogs-went-from-handball-club-to-party-club-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/c29bf990670ecf606195d0952cfe45b4&memtype=anonymous)

Sorry, on phone so hopefully that worked.

Got it: Link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/luke-beveridge-and-western-bulldogs-went-from-handball-club-to-party-club-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/c29bf990670ecf606195d0952cfe45b4)

Well nothing we didn't already know :/

[ledge]

Anyone got a HS subscription to read this?

Link (https://myaccount.news.com.au/heraldsun/subscribe?pkgDef=HS_PDO_P0415A_W04&directSubscribe=true&b=true&sourceCode=HSWEB_MRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/luke-beveridge-and-western-bulldogs-went-from-handball-club-to-party-club-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/c29bf990670ecf606195d0952cfe45b4&memtype=anonymous)

Sorry, on phone so hopefully that worked.

Got it: Link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/luke-beveridge-and-western-bulldogs-went-from-handball-club-to-party-club-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/c29bf990670ecf606195d0952cfe45b4)

Well nothing we didn't already know :/

Anyway you can copy and paste ?

[Rocket Science]

Anyway you can copy and paste ?


TOM Liberatore will return from a European holiday to start his pre-season early, adamant his long-term future lies at the Western Bulldogs.

Liberatore had an indifferent season where he was dropped at one stage. There is speculation about his future given the club’s determination to trade Jake Stringer.
After the side’s Round 23 loss coach Luke Beveridge said Liberatore had to work harder to maximise his undoubted talent.

But while the Dogs’ premiership hangover will see Stringer as collateral damage, Liberatore will stay put.

His manager Tom Williams told the Herald Sun he is determined to return to form next year, with the club on the same page about his future.

“Tom is happy at the Dogs,” said player manager Williams, a former key position player at the club.

“It might be people connecting dots but from our end we have got no issues. We haven’t requested anything from them.

“It was a tough year and he said (in his exit interview) he was looking forward to a break and he is going to come back two weeks early to get fit for pre-season.”

Liberatore and Luke Dahlhaus are both free agents next year but despite midyear discussions will park negotiations until they return to form.

Both parties are happy with that arrangement but it seems certain they will embark upon massive pre-seasons keen to rediscover their 2016 momentum.

Liberatore is overseas on holidays but has committed to returning to the first day of the pre-season in elite shape.

The Dogs have also made it clear to the Liberatore camp they have no plans to put him on the trade table.

Jake Stringer might leave the kennel. Picture: AAP
Stringer, 23, has kicked 122 goals in the last three years, the 15th most in the league despite his ups and downs.

Beveridge has seemingly given up hope that he could lift his standards of professionalism.

The Dogs want as high a draft pick as possible with Essendon, St Kilda, Geelong and Collingwood all expressing some interest.

Essendon coach John Worsfold has spoken about Stringer.

“There’s not a big list out there, we’ll sift through those and say one do they fit into what we’re trying to build (and) are they possibly available for us,’’ he said.

“If Stringer is on that list, obviously, an All-Australian player we’ll have to seriously consider what he might offer us if he’s available.”

St Kilda coach Alan Richardson also said the club would have to consider him given his immense talent.

Teammate Mitch Wallis said last week of his future that “it’s still up in the air and he still has to really commit to the club”.

But the move to trade him has come from the club, with Stringer coming around to the fact he will have to look for a new home.

[Rocket Science]

September was always going to be unpalatable enough this year without being liberally dumped upon from a great height with this steaming shitshow before being set aflame.

I'm emotionally exhausted.

[ledge]

September was always going to be unpalatable enough this year without being liberally dumped upon from a great height with this steaming shitshow before being set aflame.

I'm emotionally exhausted.

In all this crap I hope in the end he stays and all The media is made to look like click bate reporting to just make headlines which in a lot of cases are now.

[GVGjr]

In all this crap I hope in the end he stays and all The media is made to look like click bate reporting to just make headlines which in a lot of cases are now.

When reporters say a player and the club are in dispute they are more or less covering their bases. The player might or might not stay. If reporters says the player is likely to depart a club they could just be be making an assumptions or two but when numerous reporters are saying the player is definitely leaving I think we have to assume that it's more likely than not.

When Griffen was leaving us because of a clash with the coach even the coach being moved on didn't help rescue that situation.

We might all wish Stringer stays but I think we need to face up to that it's not looking likely now. It's not impossible but so far it's not looking likely.

The good part for the club is that there appears to be a few suitors for Stringer.

[I'm Not Bitter Anymore!]

Tom Williams is Libba's manager?

[ledge]

When reporters say a player and the club are in dispute they are more or less covering their bases. The player might or might not stay. If reporters says the player is likely to depart a club they could just be be making an assumptions or two but when numerous reporters are saying the player is definitely leaving I think we have to assume that it's more likely than not.

When Griffen was leaving us because of a clash with the coach even the coach being moved on didn't help rescue that situation.

We might all wish Stringer stays but I think we need to face up to that it's not looking likely now. It's not impossible but so far it's not looking likely.

The good part for the club is that there appears to be a few suitors for Stringer.

Just like All the reporters had Dustin Martin gone and Lin Jong gone .
The difference here is though it's being reported we want to get rid of him IF he isn't fully committed.
It might be as simple as him going away for a few days having a think and coming back with a different attitude.
We all know that a little inkling of a disagreement and the media jump on it . Look at the reports everyday they name a different club he is going to .. The best one for me was the saints article where they ask Richardson if they would be interested in him ., he replied we look at all players and he is a good player and then it's plastered saints are chasing him !

[Eastdog]

Yes from the news report last night on 7 Steveo reckons he is pretty much on his way out.

I hope we get a good deal. The frustrating thing will be if he picks up his form at another club but if we were to keep him would he pick his form up? I definitely understand that Jake has had his personal issues but there is an expectation as a professional footballer to fulfil certain obligations to the club in terms of training etc. and if that isn't being done then it is dissapointing.

Bevo is looking at how we can improve and get better again and sometimes you need to be honesty with players if they are not performing to certain standards.

[GVGjr]

Just like All the reporters had Dustin Martin gone and Lin Jong gone .
The difference here is though it's being reported we want to get rid of him IF he isn't fully committed.
It might be as simple as him going away for a few days having a think and coming back with a different attitude.
We all know that a little inkling of a disagreement and the media jump on it . Look at the reports everyday they name a different club he is going to .. The best one for me was the saints article where they ask Richardson if they would be interested in him ., he replied we look at all players and he is a good player and then it's plastered saints are chasing him !

But one was over money and the other opportunities to play in a senior side. The examples you have provided don't fit Stringer and the club

[ledge]

Yes from the news report last night on 7 Steveo reckons he is pretty much on his way out.

I hope we get a good deal. The frustrating thing will be if he picks up his form at another club but if we were to keep him would he pick his form up? I definitely understand that Jake has had his personal issues but there is an expectation as a professional footballer to fulfil certain obligations to the club in terms of training etc. and if that isn't being done then it is dissapointing.

Bevo is looking at how we can improve and get better again and sometimes you need to be honesty with players if they are not performing to certain standards.

Was Bevo up to standard this year ? I wonder what score he would have got from the committee at his exit interview , I mean we as fans even questioned a lot of his decisions and interviews during the year.
He knew the problems more than we would but we had the same issue every game .
Is Stringer being made the scape goat of a terrible goal Kicking year by all?
Is this why Stringer has cracked it ?
Surely Bevo would have got a good talking to about the year as well.
I work in an industry where something goes wrong and the problem just goes straight down the ladder and the Indians get the blame when we all know the Chiefs caused it.
Is it that deep ?

[bornadog]

Was Bevo up to standard this year ? I wonder what score he would have got from the committee at his exit interview , I mean we as fans even questioned a lot of his decisions and interviews during the year.
He knew the problems more than we would but we had the same issue every game .
Is Stringer being made the scape goat of a terrible goal Kicking year by all?
Is this why Stringer has cracked it ?
Surely Bevo would have got a good talking to about the year as well.
I work in an industry where something goes wrong and the problem just goes straight down the ladder and the Indians get the blame when we all know the Chiefs caused it.
Is it that deep ?

Ledge, believe me, he is gone.

I absolutely hate the idea of seeing Stringer in another jumper, but unfortunately he is not going to change his ways. He is completely unprofessional, and thinks talent alone will make him a star and get him a game. He has listened to too much bullshit from being named as The Package, or he is the next Gary Ablett snr. He needs to conform to what the coaching staff expect of him, but he is in denial that there is anything wrong.

Unless Stringer comes crawling back to the club, and says he will do everything the coaching staff ask of him and change his personal life which is effecting not just him, his family and friends, but also other players, then it won't happen.

Until it clicks Stringer won't improve and he will get a shock when he goes to another club.

The club is bigger than the individual.

[ledge]

Ledge, believe me, he is gone.

I absolutely hate the idea of seeing Stringer in another jumper, but unfortunately he is not going to change his ways. He is completely unprofessional, and thinks talent alone will make him a star and get him a game. He has listened to too much bullshit from being named as The Package, or he is the next Gary Ablett snr. He needs to conform to what the coaching staff expect of him, but he is in denial that there is anything wrong.

Unless Stringer comes crawling back to the club, and says he will do everything the coaching staff ask of him and change his personal life which is effecting not just him, his family and friends, but also other players, then it won't happen.

Until it clicks Stringer won't improve and he will get a shock when he goes to another club.

The club is bigger than the individual.

Yes leaving us means he takes his baggage with him too it's not like they won't expect the Same we did or more, him changing clubs won't fix it he will have to change to what we wanted Him to do as well. I hope he realises that.

[Bulldog4life]

Ledge, believe me, he is gone.

I absolutely hate the idea of seeing Stringer in another jumper, but unfortunately he is not going to change his ways. He is completely unprofessional, and thinks talent alone will make him a star and get him a game. He has listened to too much bullshit from being named as The Package, or he is the next Gary Ablett snr. He needs to conform to what the coaching staff expect of him, but he is in denial that there is anything wrong.

Unless Stringer comes crawling back to the club, and says he will do everything the coaching staff ask of him and change his personal life which is effecting not just him, his family and friends, but also other players, then it won't happen.

Until it clicks Stringer won't improve and he will get a shock when he goes to another club.

The club is bigger than the individual.

Agree with all this BAD. Bevo is very much a player's person. We don't know the full circumstances going on behind the scenes, and we probably never will. But if our Club is prepared to let a good player go there must be some bloody good reasons to do so. I fully support the Club in making the right decision.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

September was always going to be unpalatable enough this year without being liberally dumped upon from a great height with this steaming shitshow before being set aflame.

I'm emotionally exhausted.

POTY for mine because it hilariously threads through all the details and uncertainties to express the bottom line. It is Shakespeare like: "History is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound an fury, signifying nothing..."
The problem is we have to go through the sound and fury of the media circus of idiots to find out what pick and compensation the Bulldogs get for one of our premiership heroes.

[cinder]

Ledge, believe me, he is gone.

I absolutely hate the idea of seeing Stringer in another jumper, but unfortunately he is not going to change his ways. He is completely unprofessional, and thinks talent alone will make him a star and get him a game. He has listened to too much bullshit from being named as The Package, or he is the next Gary Ablett snr. He needs to conform to what the coaching staff expect of him, but he is in denial that there is anything wrong.

Unless Stringer comes crawling back to the club, and says he will do everything the coaching staff ask of him and change his personal life which is effecting not just him, his family and friends, but also other players, then it won't happen.

Until it clicks Stringer won't improve and he will get a shock when he goes to another club.

The club is bigger than the individual.

Great post BAD. No doubt his off field antics contributed to his marriage breakdown also (not that we should comment too much on that as it's personal). But my point is, until he starts looking inwards as to why so many things might be going wrong in his life, not a lot's going to change. If he's got a 'I'm the victim' type mentality, then that's really hard to work with.

I saw this on FB yesterday (unrelated) and thought it applied to his situation:

https://s26.postimg.org/4ozndiafd/image.jpg

[Eastdog]

The club is bigger than the individual.

Yes absolutely agree 100% with this. You need to do what is in the best interests of the club.

[Eastdog]

Agree with all this BAD. Bevo is very much a player's person. We don't know the full circumstances going on behind the scenes, and we probably never will. But if our Club is prepared to let a good player go there must be some bloody good reasons to do so. I fully support the Club in making the right decision.

Bevo has been very flexible is selecting players and has given most an opportunity but only if they have earned it through strong VFL performances. I think we need to have a bit of faith in Bevo he is a premiership coach and I'm sure he is learning a lot from our 2017 season.

[ledge]

It seemed like a rebuilding year as we knew Murphy and Boyd were retiring and he played kids in the backline.
Seems strange after winning a flag with young kids but I guess he had no choice but to put games into them and to learn to play without those two around.
Hopefully a big move back up the ladder next year.

[Eastdog]

It seemed like a rebuilding year as we knew Murphy and Boyd were retiring and he played kids in the backline.
Seems strange after winning a flag with young kids but I guess he had no choice but to put games into them and to learn to play without those two around.
Hopefully a big move back up the ladder next year.

Also down to have quite a depleted backline this year with certain players out during certain periods.