Stringer Trade Worth

[Sedat]

Absolutely. Up there with Danger 5. Best thing that ever came out of Adelaide.
And Bad Boy Bubby ;)

[Twodogs]

And Bad Boy Bubby ;)


Exploding White Mice and The Mark of Cain for mine.


I can still vividly remember the first time I saw Mark of Cain-it was at The Royal Artillery hotel in Collingwood. It was nearly 25 years ago, I've seen thousands of bands and I can remeber tge first tine I saw maybe 5 of them. Rollins, Sticky Filth, Spiderbait, Cosmic Psychos and Painters and Dockers.

[Rocco Jones]

Absolutely. Up there with Danger 5. Best thing that ever came out of Adelaide.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z09bNgSeMI

Love Danger 5 too.

[Twodogs]

Love Danger 5 too.


And Exploding White Mice????

[Dry Rot]

Love Danger 5 too.

Two interviews with Maynard and David Ashbury, co-creator and star of Danger 5.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2012/03/15/3454345.htm

http://maynard.com.au/danger-5-return-to-save-us-from-hitler/

[GVGjr]

Guys, do you want to move the discussion to the entertainment thread.

[ledge]

12 months time will be interesting to see how this pans out , with Jake and also Schache.

[Twodogs]

12 months time will be interesting to see how this pans out , with Jake and also Schache.


I'm really upbeat on what the of impact that Josh can have on us.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I know its Eddie but i thought it interesting that on MMM this morning that when discussing essendons soft draw in which they play 1 top 6 team twice despite finishing in the top 8 he made mention to:
1. The fact they got a free look at the countires free agents
2. The number 1 pick
3. Don't have a salary cap

I know he might have been saying it in jest but a part of him might not have been

[SlimPickens]

I know its Eddie but i thought it interesting that on MMM this morning that when discussing essendons soft draw in which they play 1 top 6 team twice despite finishing in the top 8 he made mention to:
1. The fact they got a free look at the countires free agents
2. The number 1 pick
3. Don't have a salary cap

I know he might have been saying it in jest but a part of him might not have been

Definitely need Eddie making noise about this, there is no way Essendon operate under the salary cap.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Definitely need Eddie making noise about this, there is no way Essendon operate under the salary cap.

The AFL is certainly trying to more than make up for what happened. It's disgraceful.

[Twodogs]

I know its Eddie but i thought it interesting that on MMM this morning that when discussing essendons soft draw in which they play 1 top 6 team twice despite finishing in the top 8 he made mention to:
1. The fact they got a free look at the countires free agents
2. The number 1 pick
3. Don't have a salary cap

I know he might have been saying it in jest but a part of him might not have been


And it begins...

Bye bye Essendon. You won't survive this.

17 clubs will not understand why Esendon get rewarded for bad behaviour and will destroy it. Remember football clubs are run by very competitive people. None of them like losing. The AFL may think they are primarily an entertainment entity but they need reminding it's a competition. And they will be reminded. There is no way 17 clubs will take a hit just for Essendon, are the AFL insane?

[jeemak]

There's no way Eddie would have said that if he didn't think it was the case.

[bornadog]

There's no way Eddie would have said that if he didn't think it was the case.

Maybe he read my barrage of tweets :D

[bulldogsthru&thru]

There's no way Eddie would have said that if he didn't think it was the case.

Agreed. It's a strong suggestion he was making. A club president can't just come out and say that sort of thing. Thought it was very interesting.

[Greystache]

This is a well known secret that surely has to blow up at some point. Only the AFL hierarchy could be naive enough to think they can sweep this under the rug and expect no one to look.

I'd like to see an untouchable club like WCE issue a court challenge to have books opened up to be forensically examined. What could the AFL do to WCE? Their draw is irrelevant, they have sponsors throwing offers at them independent of league headquarters, and they fart hundred dollar notes. They're free to do wherever they like.

[Doc26]

This is a well known secret that surely has to blow up at some point. Only the AFL hierarchy could be naive enough to think they can sweep this under the rug and expect no one to look.

I'd like to see an untouchable club like WCE issue a court challenge to have books opened up to be forensically examined. What could the AFL do to WCE? Their draw is irrelevant, they have sponsors throwing offers at them independent of league headquarters, and they fart hundred dollar notes. They're free to do wherever they like.

The problem Stache is the AFL continues to sweep so many things under the carpet, with, at face value, little apparent consequence other than dis-affected supporters on fan forums and on social media. Ideally there would be more dramatic consequence for such perceived negligence, like a severe drop off in attendance or decrease in media spend but unfortunately it's difficult to show any such correlation, hence why they continue to turn a blind eye and continue to remain such an arrogant body.

Undoubtedly there does need to be more scrutiny and accountability but who is going to keep these bastards honest when they can dictate so much.

[Twodogs]

The problem Stache is the AFL continues to sweep so many things under the carpet, with, at face value, little apparent consequence other than dis-affected supporters on fan forums and on social media. Ideally there would be more dramatic consequence for such perceived negligence, like a severe drop off in attendance or decrease in media spend but unfortunately it's difficult to show any such correlation, hence why they continue to turn a blind eye and continue to remain such an arrogant body.

Undoubtedly there does need to be more scrutiny and accountability but who is going to keep these bastards honest when they can dictate so much.

The AFL is a fundamentally greedy and unimaginative organization. It will wind enough rope around their neck and then all we have to do is give it a good tug.

[bulldogtragic]

This is a well known secret that surely has to blow up at some point. Only the AFL hierarchy could be naive enough to think they can sweep this under the rug and expect no one to look.

I'd like to see an untouchable club like WCE issue a court challenge to have books opened up to be forensically examined. What could the AFL do to WCE? Their draw is irrelevant, they have sponsors throwing offers at them independent of league headquarters, and they fart hundred dollar notes. They're free to do wherever they like.

Interesting Caro takes on sexual misconduct issues at AFEL HQ, and WADA issues with AFEL HQ. Barrett takes on FA compo issues at AFEL HQ.

Yet they, and every other journo, won't take this painfully obvious serious issue on. Grow a spine and do your jobs.

[ledge]

What I enjoy is even though Essendon have no salary cap they still pick up players of questionable character or injury doubts.
The AFL trying to help them but they themselves keep making questionable decisions.
Seriously Jake Stringers only option out of 17 teams was Essendon , no one else would take him on, what's that tell you ?

[Ghost Dog]

The problem Stache is the AFL continues to sweep so many things under the carpet, with, at face value, little apparent consequence other than dis-affected supporters on fan forums and on social media. Ideally there would be more dramatic consequence for such perceived negligence, like a severe drop off in attendance or decrease in media spend but unfortunately it's difficult to show any such correlation, hence why they continue to turn a blind eye and continue to remain such an arrogant body.

Undoubtedly there does need to be more scrutiny and accountability but who is going to keep these bastards honest when they can dictate so much.

I'd love to see a challenge to the AFL hegemony. We live in the age of Uber. Maybe the AFL is due for their 'kodak moment' ( Being made redundant owing to lack of vision). The grassroots footy community may embrace it.

[Twodogs]

Is that what a Kodak moment is? They didn't see digital cameras coming and were made obsolete overnight?

Yeah, that makes sense.

[jeemak]

The problem is, the big clubs are already on the gravy train with favourable fixtures and TV slotting, leaving only the smaller clubs like ours or the Saints with genuine claims to being screwed via inequitable policies and or penalties should they arise.

So for instance, if Eddie or WCE did decide to rattle some cages, the AFL would just find a way of placating them by increasing the advantages they're already afforded in some way.

This is how the powerful get more powerful, and the weak become weaker.

[MrMahatma]

Is that what a Kodak moment is? They didn't see digital cameras coming and were made obsolete overnight?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Kodak moments was an ad campaign they used to run.

BTW, they actually invented digital cameras. They just didn't see the need for them and didn't want them to get in the way of their main revenue stream, selling film, so didn't invest in them until it was too late.

[jeemak]

Kodak moments was an ad campaign they used to run.

BTW, they actually invented digital cameras. They just didn't see the need for them and didn't want them to get in the way of their main revenue stream, selling film, so didn't invest in them until it was too late.

Yep, they just made some seriously blinded strategic decisions that sealed the fate of their business.

The AFL is currently trying to difersify with AFLX and women's football. The latter is absolutely important to increase female engagement and buy in, the former is nothing more than an excuse to dominate the media landscape against Cricket - an unnatural competitor - and A-League, which is a weak competitor and one that has a dedicated to code fan base. It's what happens when head office becomes too large and people need to justify their position in space and time.

[Twodogs]

Yep, they just made some seriously blinded strategic decisions that sealed the fate of their business.

The AFL is currently trying to difersify with AFLX and women's football. The latter is absolutely important to increase female engagement and buy in, the former is nothing more than an excuse to dominate the media landscape against Cricket - an unnatural competitor - and A-League, which is a weak competitor and one that has a dedicated to code fan base. It's what happens when head office becomes too large and people need to justify their position in space and time.

The AFL is just like the Commonwealth public service used to be (still is I guess). Full of empire builders generating useless activity and wasting time and resources justifying their fiefdoms.

[Ghost Dog]

Is that what a Kodak moment is? They didn't see digital cameras coming and were made obsolete overnight?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yes, exactly.

[Twodogs]

Kodak moments was an ad campaign they used to run.

BTW, they actually invented digital cameras. They just didn't see the need for them and didn't want them to get in the way of their main revenue stream, selling film, so didn't invest in them until it was too late.


Yep, I remember the ads,

Imagine that. You invent something and then your competitors beat you to death with it.

[Twodogs]

Well now that Jake is gone we can finally admit that it was a mistake to recruit an Eaglehawk player in the first place. Sure we all agree that Bendigo boys are all fantastic and talented footballers in every way but unless they play for Golden Square then they just learn bad habits.


Sure, keep all the clubs like Sandhurst and South Bendigo going so GH can have someone to play against, but when ut comes to recruiting players unless they play for Golden Square just leave them to the other clubs!


:)

[ReLoad]

Well now that Jake is gone we can finally admit that it was a mistake to recruit an Eaglehawk player in the first place. Sure we all agree that Bendigo boys are all fantastic and talented footballers in every way but unless they play for Golden Square then they just learn bad habits.


Sure, keep all the clubs like Sandhurst and South Bendigo going so GH can have someone to play against, but when ut comes to recruiting players unless they play for Golden Square just leave them to the other clubs!


:)

As a former kangaroo flat player and sandhurst cricketer I can in fact confirm that you are 100% correct ;)

[Twodogs]

As a former kangaroo flat player and sandhurst cricketer I can in fact confirm that you are 100% correct ;)


You sir are a jellybean and a scallop.

[Axe Man]

Looks like someone at the Herald Sun missed the we must be cheerleaders for Jake Stinger memo...

Susie O’Brien: AFL love rat Jake Stringer doesn’t deserve redemption (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/susie-obrien-afl-love-rat-jake-stringer-doesnt-deserve-redemption/news-story/a6c4e13c3d6395231cac8b5b075c826d)

The redemption of new Essendon recruit Jake Stringer seems almost complete.

How quickly people forget he recently cheated on his pregnant fiancee with a teenager.

Details about Stringer’s disgraceful private life were revealed by his former fiancee Abby Gilmore back in September.

Gilmore told the Herald Sun her personal life was shattered when she received a text from a 17-year-old telling her she was having sex with Stringer.

Their second child was just six-weeks-old when Gilmore was then met with “a seemingly endless parade of girls” who left messages with “in-your-face taunts about their sex sessions” with Stringer, 23, some sending nude photographs of the premiership player.

Gilmore also claimed Stringer had a gambling addiction and had gambled away their life’s savings.

Stringer now has a new football club and a new image that doesn’t seem to be affected by the kind of partner he was to Gilmore. We learn that he’s lost four kilos, is doing boxing training and can’t wait for the new season to start.

His treatment of Gilmore and their two daughters has moved from front page to become a more nebulous “off-field issue”.

What a cop-out for his new club Essendon. For too long football clubs have propped up stars with personal problems as long as they perform on the field.

I wish more clubs would follow the lead of the Geelong Cats and pick “character over talent”, as CEO Brian Cook puts it.

I strongly disagree with footy commentator Mike Sheahan, who said Stringer’s off-field life shouldn’t have anything to do with his sporting career.

Now all the focus is back on Stringer the player, not Stringer the love rat.

He’s “honoured to be handed the No 25 jumper”. He’s “bouncing back”. He’s had a “massive pre-season of toil”.

So, no doubt, has Gilmore, who has the lion’s share of raising their two young daughters.

These days there seems to be little mention of Stringer’s infidelity, which is strange given that two AFL executives — Simon Lethlean and Richard Simkiss — lost their jobs after cheating on their wives with co-workers.

At the time, AFL chief Gillon McLachlan said the two men were role models and “set a standard of behaviour for the rest of the organisation”.

So why don’t we hold AFL players to the same stringent standards?

Now all the focus is on Stringer meeting “some of the club’s off-field expectations around preparation, rehabilitation and diet”.

There’s no mention of what he did to his ex-partner and daughters.

His team mates are reportedly excited to have him on the team and are “impressed by the former Bulldog’s attitude”.

“He is doing all the right things,” one was quoted as saying.

I wonder how Abby Gilmore feels reading that.

“He is a young man and obviously he probably would have done a few things differently,” his team mate said.

“He is just happy to be back and going to go about his work.”

How convenient that Stringer gets to “go about his work” while his ex-fiancee has little choice but to look after his children.

Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell has revealed Bombers officials met with 10-12 people close to Jake Stringer before signing him.

It would appear this group didn’t include Abby Gilmore.

[Jeanette54]

I am not sure what the author is trying to achieve with this article; and what Susie expects Jake to do about his life to date.

All he can do is to give his new life his best shot, with his new club.

I don't know how many times she thinks you can hang someone for their past crimes.

Whilst (here I have to be honest) I hope he fails with Essendon as a footballer, I truly hope he can turn his life around and hopefully earn the trust and respect of his children in the future.

Articles such as this will not assist in that process.

[FrediKanoute]

I am not sure what the author is trying to achieve with this article; and what Susie expects Jake to do about his life to date.

All he can do is to give his new life his best shot, with his new club.

I don't know how many times she thinks you can hang someone for their past crimes.

Whilst (here I have to be honest) I hope he fails with Essendon as a footballer, I truly hope he can turn his life around and hopefully earn the trust and respect of his children in the future.

Articles such as this will not assist in that process.

Perspective. She is trying to balance perspective. Its preseason and Essendon through their mouthpiece are letting their fans know what a great club they are in turning Jake around. So in 8 weeks since he was traded Jake is now born again? Never mind the litany of crap he has left in his wake.

I agree people should be allowed to turn their life around, but turning your life around doesn't just mean you drop 4 kg's at your new employer. Not once have we heard Jake publically admit/apologise for his appalling treatment of his partner; his abuse of power over a 17 year old girl; and the his squandering of his family's fortune. Maybe at this point, had he apologised and shown true contrition I would be a little more sympathetic and pleased for the all new, brand spanking new Stringer. You can put a ribbon on a turd, but it still stinks.

[ratsmac]

Who's Stringer anyhow?

[Jeanette54]

:rolleyes:

[SonofScray]

Had a rare opportunity to hear a perspective from someone I believe has an ear with a Snr Club person. Described Stringer as a POS. That was enough for me to just let the whole story go and focus on Footscray.

[bornadog]

Had a rare opportunity to hear a perspective from someone I believe has an ear with a Snr Club person. Described Stringer as a POS. That was enough for me to just let the whole story go and focus on Footscray.

Pardon my ignorance, what is a POS?

[Twodogs]

Pardon my ignorance, what is a POS?

It's a piece of something.

[ledge]

Had a rare opportunity to hear a perspective from someone I believe has an ear with a Snr Club person. Described Stringer as a POS. That was enough for me to just let the whole story go and focus on Footscray.

At the bulldogs or Essendon ?

[Twodogs]

At the bulldogs or Essendon ?


I think he's talking about Jakey boy's behaviour when he was with us.

The exact type of behaviour that Essendon will begin to have trouble with-if they aren't already. "Whatever you do, don't let Stringer anywhere near the young players"

[merantau]

If he turns his life around - good. But I will be really angry if he starts to play great football again with Essendon, a club that I have zero respect for. I just can't understand Stringer

[Twodogs]

If he turns his life around - good. But I will be really angry if he starts to play great football again with Essendon, a club that I have zero respect for. I just can't understand Stringer

That's because what he is doing makes no sense. Not to us or anybody. Jake probably doesn't understand why he some things. It's only when he starts to work it out and understand it that he will take the first step in the road to recovery.

[G-Mo77]

If he turns his life around - good. But I will be really angry if he starts to play great football again with Essendon, a club that I have zero respect for. I just can't understand Stringer

I think he'll have a great season in 2018. The test will be when he settles in.

[Throughandthrough]

I’m predicting lots of soft tissue injuries for Jake Stringer for 2018,as a result of not doing the right thing in 2016 and 2017

[Twodogs]

I’m predicting lots of soft tissue injuries for Jake Stringer for 2018,as a result of not doing the right thing in 2016 and 2017

That's a history of Jake full stop.

[MrMahatma]

I am not sure what the author is trying to achieve with this article; and what Susie expects Jake to do about his life to date.

All he can do is to give his new life his best shot, with his new club.

I don't know how many times she thinks you can hang someone for their past crimes.

Whilst (here I have to be honest) I hope he fails with Essendon as a footballer, I truly hope he can turn his life around and hopefully earn the trust and respect of his children in the future.

Articles such as this will not assist in that process.

Not sure, but I don't recall reading about his shagging teenagers in a press article..I think much of the reason for him leaving the Dogs could be lost on people who don't trawl the net for the info. Putting it in a well read newspaper at least balances the argument about Jake's supposed trade value and what he's bringing to Essendon.

His history says he's not a good teammate. Essendon are painting a picture that he's changed and about to take the competition by storm. I think it's fair for people to be aware of exactly who and what he is. That's a talented footballer who thinks only of himself.

[bornadog]

Not sure, but I don't recall reading about his shagging teenagers in a press article.

His ex wife's interview mentioned he was shagging a 17 year old while she was pregnant. The parents of the 17 year old even let him sleep at their place. This is totally inappropriate, not only because he was married but also the power over the young teenager - bit like the teacher/student, Film director/actor roles. That shouldn't effect his football, but there are many things that he did which not only effected his team mates but also his performance

[Twodogs]

His ex wife's interview mentioned he was shagging a 17 year old while she was pregnant. The parents of the 17 year old even let him sleep at their place. This is totally inappropriate, not only because he was married but also the power over the young teenager - bit like the teacher/student, Film director/actor roles. That shouldn't effect his football, but there are many things that he did which not only effected his team mates but also his performance


There was a problem with Jake bringing his "girlfriends" to training as well IIRC.

[bornadog]

There was a problem with Jake bringing his "girlfriends" to training as well IIRC.

There were quiet a few too. One rumour was he also had a go at one of the players girlfriends, but I can't confirm that.

[Twodogs]

There were quiet a few too. One rumour was he also had a go at one of the players girlfriends, but I can't confirm that.

There was a rumour preseason that Jake and Lachie Hunter fell out over an affair Jake was having with one of Lachie's cousins.

[Greystache]

His ex wife's interview mentioned he was shagging a 17 year old while she was pregnant. The parents of the 17 year old even let him sleep at their place. This is totally inappropriate, not only because he was married but also the power over the young teenager - bit like the teacher/student, Film director/actor roles. That shouldn't effect his football, but there are many things that he did which not only effected his team mates but also his performance

They were never married.

[S Coast Simon]

Sadly he will go on a play great football for the dons. He will probably dominate some games like he used to but this is only because of the kick in the pants that the doggies have given him. If he stayed he would have continued down the track he was on and probably would never have returned to his best. If he manages to get his family back and to play great footy he can thank Bevo and the club for saving his career. I don't mind if he plays well but I pray the dons struggle next year.

[hujsh]

They were never married.

Fair correction I suppose but personally I'd say that particular detail is less important than the fact they were in a committed relationship with young children.

Call it marriage, call it a partnership ultimately it equates to the same thing.

[bornadog]

They were never married.

Cheers, I thought they were.


Fair correction I suppose but personally I'd say that particular detail is less important than the fact they were in a committed relationship with young children.

Call it marriage, call it a partnership ultimately it equates to the same thing.

Defacto marriage

[chef]

I think her being prego makes it a lot worse than if they were just married. Shows the true quality of a man.

[bulldogtragic]

I think her being prego makes it a lot worse than if they were just married. Shows the true quality of a man.

Exactly. As I said way earlier this thread, I'm glad he's gone (going) because I couldn't fake trying to support him. Footy is footy, but one shouldn't support a player who does various shit things (Stringer) or illegal things (Milne) simply because he's wears your teams colours.

[Twodogs]

Cheers, I thought they were.



Defacto marriage


The legal definition of a defacto marriage is living together (or cohabiting I think the legal term is) for three years. Less than three years and it's the romantically inspired "relationship of short duration" definition. No wonder lawyers get all the chicks.

[ledge]

I think her being prego makes it a lot worse than if they were just married. Shows the true quality of a man.

Haha "prego" , now that's a western suburbs word if ever I heard one.

[Bulldog Joe]

The legal definition of a defacto marriage is living together (or cohabiting I think the legal term is) for three years. Less than three years and it's the romantically inspired "relationship of short duration" definition. No wonder lawyers get all the chicks.

Stringer had been living with Abby from soon after he was first drafted. Doesn't need any fancy definition to show that Jake and Abby were in a defacto relationship with the same family court status as any marriage.

[Remi Moses]

Dealing in semantics. Married ,de-facto, pretty crap bloke

[Twodogs]

Stringer had been living with Abby from soon after he was first drafted. Doesn't need any fancy definition to show that Jake and Abby were in a defacto relationship with the same family court status as any marriage.


I read somewhere that they'd been living together from just after they finished high school. When a marriage or relationship breaks up the legal definitions of what constitutes a defacto or otherwise can be a big comfort-it takes a lot of the emotion out of the equation, my ex and I moved forward a long way once we'd sorted out the legalities and knew where each other stood. It saved a lot of arguments.

[Sedat]

Dealing in semantics. Married ,de-facto, pretty crap bloke
Yep. Whatever the definition of their relationship, they had 2 children together and he was regularly out on the town while one child was a toddler and the 2nd child was barely weeks old. That alone is an indication of the immature, unprofessional and self-involved mindset that Stringer had/has. I could care less about the so-called morality issue of his infidelity (none of anybody's business and we don't know the reasons for it happening) but his complete absence of taking even a basic level of responsibility for the welfare of his children and partner/ex is very much a reflection of his self-absorbed character and how this cancerous attitude could also permeate on a team environment if left unchecked.

Good riddance and see you at the premiership reunion in 2026.

[LostDoggy]

Seems a shame to let this thread die after 2563 posts. Was just looking at how this trade looks post draft.

We traded Stringer for 25 and 30.
We then traded 28, 30 and next years 2nd for 16 and 40.
We then traded 25 and 40 for Schache.

If you cancel out the on-traded picks, we ultimately traded out Jake Stringer, 28 (used by GWS to get Sam Taylor) and next years 2nd round in exchange for Josh Schache and 16 (Ed Richards).

[bornadog]

Seems a shame to let this thread die after 2563 posts. Was just looking at how this trade looks post draft.

We traded Stringer for 25 and 30.
We then traded 28, 30 and next years 2nd for 16 and 40.
We then traded 25 and 40 for Schache.

If you cancel out the on-traded picks, we ultimately traded out Jake Stringer, 28 (used by GWS to get Sam Taylor) and next years 2nd round in exchange for Josh Schache and 16 (Ed Richards).

I had an argument (on Twitter) with Rohan Connolly an Essendon supporter on exactly this. He was rating the best trades and said Essendon's trade was one of the best for the trade period. I argued you need to look at the reason why we traded 25 and 30 and the final outcome as you point out. His argument was, well I am looking at it from Essendon's point of view. I said we never would have done that trade if it wasn't for the end outcome.

[soupman]

I had an argument (on Twitter) with Rohan Connolly an Essendon supporter on exactly this. He was rating the best trades and said Essendon's trade was one of the best for the trade period. I argued you need to look at the reason why we traded 25 and 30 and the final outcome as you point out. His argument was, well I am looking at it from Essendon's point of view. I said we never would have done that trade if it wasn't for the end outcome.

Tbf I'm with him. They got an absolute steal. Luckily for us, we got Schache as a steal also, so overall our trade works out well.

[bornadog]

Tbf I'm with him. They got an absolute steal. Luckily for us, we got Schache as a steal also, so overall our trade works out well.

You are missing the point, you can't look at a trade in isolation.

[ledge]

Essendon supporter looking at it from Essendons point of view kind of defeats the article.
Every club says they did the best but in reality no one knows until the players get on the park for a couple of years.
Like the Griffen / Boyd trade , we were hammered for that but the end result has proved we won that trade easily.
Would like the journos to admit they were wrong but it will never happen, Because when they get it wrong they move into another story

[jeemak]

I had an argument (on Twitter) with Rohan Connolly an Essendon supporter on exactly this. He was rating the best trades and said Essendon's trade was one of the best for the trade period. I argued you need to look at the reason why we traded 25 and 30 and the final outcome as you point out. His argument was, well I am looking at it from Essendon's point of view. I said we never would have done that trade if it wasn't for the end outcome.

Not to mention the goal of getting someone we considered to be poison out of our club.

Journalists and commentators don't earn their money by taking a reasoned approach to these discussions, and like a lot of supporters, look at individual trades in isolation from the bigger club objective.

We'll see if indeed it's as good a trade after some water goes under the bridge. I was talking to an Essendon supporter on the weekend and it was clear that he thought Stringer was going to be completely amazing for them. I asked about the rumours and stated facts surrounding his poor behaviour, and he didn't think it was an issue as long as he makes their team better. I asked about Stringer's inability to cope with body contact unless he instigates it and he didn't think that was an issue either. Nor was the fact he hasn't improved at all in the basics such as ball handling and kicking, or in his defensive acts.

As far as he could tell, having Stringer around was all upside. They really can drink the Kool-Aid those EFC supporters.

[ledge]

Let's wait and see what's better, the players we traded in for him and his career from now.

[soupman]

You are missing the point, you can't look at a trade in isolation.

But isn't that the point of ranking/rating the trades, to judge each in isolation?

If he was assessing it club by club then his Western Bulldogs assessment should read "Did well to turn Stringer and picks into Shcache and picks", if he is judging it on individual trades it'll read "Two mediocre second round picks for an AA 22 year old with fixable off field issues".

Fwiw it was a great trade from them, and everyone here should agree because we all thought/think he was worth a top 10 pick. And you can't claim off field issues affect the price we supporters put on him because we knew all of them aside from his shithouse taste in tatts before we all decided he was worth that top 10 pick.

Luckily the club has recovered and managed to turn what we could get for him into something quite decent in return.

It's still a ripper trade for Essendon, even if it doesn't work out. At least based on risk vs reward. Of course we won't know the true value of it for years, but on face value it's a great trade by the Bombers.

[LostDoggy]

But isn't that the point of ranking/rating the trades, to judge each in isolation?

If he was assessing it club by club then his Western Bulldogs assessment should read "Did well to turn Stringer and picks into Shcache and picks", if he is judging it on individual trades it'll read "Two mediocre second round picks for an AA 22 year old with fixable off field issues".

Fwiw it was a great trade from them, and everyone here should agree because we all thought/think he was worth a top 10 pick. And you can't claim off field issues affect the price we supporters put on him because we knew all of them aside from his shithouse taste in tatts before we all decided he was worth that top 10 pick.

Luckily the club has recovered and managed to turn what we could get for him into something quite decent in return.

It's still a ripper trade for Essendon, even if it doesn't work out. At least based on risk vs reward. Of course we won't know the true value of it for years, but on face value it's a great trade by the Bombers.
Even if we look at the trade in isolation, it's too early to call it a great trade by Essendon. On hs best form, of course it is, but he has been off his best form for quite a long time. He clearly has personal issues which have impacted his capacity and team morale. We have decided his negatives outweigh his potential and taken him to market, most clubs havve chosen not to take any interest. If EFC have failed to do a thorough due diligence and Stringer is degenerative, then they have clearly paid massive overs.

[bulldogtragic]

Perhaps a chess anology should be adopted. In the words of Training Day's Detective Alonso Harris, 'the shit's chess, it ain't checkers'. You can give up your bishop or knight, and that's bad. However, if giving it up opens up a move on the opposing queen, then it's great a move. You only know the value of the move as things unfold. Clearly our club was happy to dangle out a (theoretical) key piece, which was taken off the board. However, we used that sacrifice to move on a key piece of an opponent (#2 draft KPF) and improve a rook-ie. Both things happened can be both good to the clubs, or both bad, I don't see it in a myopic winning or losing party to the trade. Certainly before both clubs have seen their new recruits for an extended part of the season. What we did do was wash the infection off our chess board, an important part of the move.

[bornadog]

with fixable off field issues".

It's still a ripper trade for Essendon, even if it doesn't work out. At least based on risk vs reward. Of course we won't know the true value of it for years, but on face value it's a great trade by the Bombers.

Fixable is debatable. The club tried for almost two years, but it didn't happen. He has major off field issues which will be hard to fix.

On field - as others have said, he has not captured the AA form for some time now. Besides the off field issues, perhaps he has been worked out by the opposition and he has no solution.

At the luncheon I attended the other day, a supporter asked Susan Alberti what went wrong in 2017, she put the sole blame on him.

As for a ripper trade, well time will tell how he goes - you can't say it is a ripper trade yet.

PS: Once players leave the club, I don't give two hoots about them and don't wish them well - couldn't give a stuff.:D

[Webby]

But isn't that the point of ranking/rating the trades, to judge each in isolation?

If he was assessing it club by club then his Western Bulldogs assessment should read "Did well to turn Stringer and picks into Shcache and picks", if he is judging it on individual trades it'll read "Two mediocre second round picks for an AA 22 year old with fixable off field issues".

Fwiw it was a great trade from them, and everyone here should agree because we all thought/think he was worth a top 10 pick. And you can't claim off field issues affect the price we supporters put on him because we knew all of them aside from his shithouse taste in tatts before we all decided he was worth that top 10 pick.

Luckily the club has recovered and managed to turn what we could get for him into something quite decent in return.

It's still a ripper trade for Essendon, even if it doesn't work out. At least based on risk vs reward. Of course we won't know the true value of it for years, but on face value it's a great trade by the Bombers.

I agree with this. I thought he was worth a top tenner. We turned it around by rolling up into Schache.
I do hope Stringer ends up back in the Bendigo league within three years.. Just being honest..

[merantau]

PS: Once players leave the club, I don't give two hoots about them and don't wish them well - couldn't give a stuff.

I'm with you 100% on this Bad. I only care that they play very badly against us or, play a role in defeating a team we need to lose. Other than that I couldn't care less and in Stringer's I care less than less. He had the world at his feet and trashed it.

[Twodogs]

Not to mention the goal of getting someone we considered to be poison out of our club.

Journalists and commentators don't earn their money by taking a reasoned approach to these discussions, and like a lot of supporters, look at individual trades in isolation from the bigger club objective.

We'll see if indeed it's as good a trade after some water goes under the bridge. I was talking to an Essendon supporter on the weekend and it was clear that he thought Stringer was going to be completely amazing for them. I asked about the rumours and stated facts surrounding his poor behaviour, and he didn't think it was an issue as long as he makes their team better. I asked about Stringer's inability to cope with body contact unless he instigates it and he didn't think that was an issue either. Nor was the fact he hasn't improved at all in the basics such as ball handling and kicking, or in his defensive acts.

As far as he could tell, having Stringer around was all upside. They really can drink the Kool-Aid those EFC supporters.[/B

Of course they do, they aren't Essendon supporters because they love footy or Essendon. They are Essendon supporters because they want to be the first nong head to break into Watch the Bombers Fly Up on the train on the way back to Mulgrave or Coldstream or Carnegie. They know nothing about football outside of what Rohan Connelly or Patrick Smith tell them to think.


But isn't that the point of ranking/rating the trades, to judge each in isolation?

If he was assessing it club by club then his Western Bulldogs assessment should read "Did well to turn Stringer and picks into Shcache and picks", if he is judging it on individual trades it'll read "Two mediocre second round picks for an AA 22 year old with fixable off field issues".

Fwiw it was a great trade from them, and everyone here should agree because we all thought/think he was worth a top 10 pick. And you can't claim off field issues affect the price we supporters put on him because we knew all of them aside from his shithouse taste in tatts before we all decided he was worth that top 10 pick.

Luckily the club has recovered and managed to turn what we could get for him into something quite decent in return.

[B]It's still a ripper trade for Essendon, even if it doesn't work out. At least based on risk vs reward. Of course we won't know the true value of it for years, but on face value it's a great trade by the Bombers.


That doesn't make any sense at all. How can it be a ripper trade if it doesn't work out?

[soupman]

Fixable is debatable. The club tried for almost two years, but it didn't happen. He has major off field issues which will be hard to fix.

On field - as others have said, he has not captured the AA form for some time now. Besides the off field issues, perhaps he has been worked out by the opposition and he has no solution.

At the luncheon I attended the other day, a supporter asked Susan Alberti what went wrong in 2017, she put the sole blame on him.

As for a ripper trade, well time will tell how he goes - you can't say it is a ripper trade yet.

PS: Once players leave the club, I don't give two hoots about them and don't wish them well - couldn't give a stuff.:D

Every problem is fixable, at least at the start. Not saying it's a guarantee, but it's a chance.

I'm sure you, like everyone else here, thought even with everything we already knew that he was worth a top ten pick, and would have scoffed at the suggestion that Essendon would get him for two mediocre 2nd round picks.

They got him for well under value, and it's ok to concede that. It doesn't mean we lost. And as for waiting to see how he turns out for them, well regardless it's a good trade.

They got a player that has the ability to be a top 20 player in the league, and even if he doesn't improve on his last two years of form at all will probably still manage 30-40 goals in their attacking lineup. And they got that by trading away two picks that each have less than a 50-50 shot of being anything more than fringe players. Of course it's a good trade.

Besides, the "we will just have to wait and see" approach is hardly going to be in an article ranking trades that happened last month, and is usually only muttered by supporters who think they've gotten the raw end of the deal, at least on face value, and are just hoping the cards fall their way.

[jeemak]

But isn't that the point of ranking/rating the trades, to judge each in isolation?

If he was assessing it club by club then his Western Bulldogs assessment should read "Did well to turn Stringer and picks into Shcache and picks", if he is judging it on individual trades it'll read "Two mediocre second round picks for an AA 22 year old with fixable off field issues".

Fwiw it was a great trade from them, and everyone here should agree because we all thought/think he was worth a top 10 pick. And you can't claim off field issues affect the price we supporters put on him because we knew all of them aside from his shithouse taste in tatts before we all decided he was worth that top 10 pick.

Luckily the club has recovered and managed to turn what we could get for him into something quite decent in return.

It's still a ripper trade for Essendon, even if it doesn't work out. At least based on risk vs reward. Of course we won't know the true value of it for years, but on face value it's a great trade by the Bombers.

I definitely understand this point of view and it being a great trade for EFC also doesn't mean it was a loss for us (which isn't how I'm saying you believe it to be). Many think trade period is an adversarial exercise clubs engage in, the media reports it as such - but it really isn't.

[soupman]

That doesn't make any sense at all. How can it be a ripper trade if it doesn't work out?

Because they got their target for much less than the other club wanted and much less than what he's worth. That's excellent trading.

If we had've traded Nathan Hrovat last year for pick 11 that would've been a ripper trade on our behalf, even if we used pick 11 on a dud.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

The whole trading thing aside, Stringer is overrated.

Consistently fails on the big stage and in tight contests. The only 2 he has played well was v Hawks in the SF and v Port at AO.

He has huge flaws in his game and whilst he still has great ability, his refusal to do the basics well will see him struggle against top sides in big games. Little things like keeping the ball in front of you, taking body contact, applying defensive pressure, providing space/direction for others etc.

He'll have his moments, he'll dominate some woeful clubs like Gold Coast and kick 6, but when the whips are cracking and bodies are left and right Jake will always be found wanting.

[bornadog]

Every problem is fixable, at least at the start. Not saying it's a guarantee, but it's a chance.

I'm sure you, like everyone else here, thought even with everything we already knew that he was worth a top ten pick, and would have scoffed at the suggestion that Essendon would get him for two mediocre 2nd round picks.

They got him for well under value, and it's ok to concede that. It doesn't mean we lost. And as for waiting to see how he turns out for them, well regardless it's a good trade.

They got a player that has the ability to be a top 20 player in the league, and even if he doesn't improve on his last two years of form at all will probably still manage 30-40 goals in their attacking lineup. And they got that by trading away two picks that each have less than a 50-50 shot of being anything more than fringe players. Of course it's a good trade.

Besides, the "we will just have to wait and see" approach is hardly going to be in an article ranking trades that happened last month, and is usually only muttered by supporters who think they've gotten the raw end of the deal, at least on face value, and are just hoping the cards fall their way.


My point is they only got him for those picks because we turned it into 16 plus Schache. If we didn’t get those then it wouldn’t happen

[jeemak]

My my point is they only got him for those picks because we turned it into 16 plus Schache. If we didn’t get those then it wouldn’t happen

That's the unknown.

The company line is we would have kept him could we not turn the EFC picks into something. I think they probably called our bluff and we were incredibly grateful the situation Brisbane were in.

[Hotdog60]

Let's just hope at the end of the Home and Away the Bumbers have Jake on a tally of 35 goals and we have Schache on a tally of 70.
We can make the call then.:D

[MrMahatma]

[QUOTE=bornadog;586919]

At the luncheon I attended the other day, a supporter asked Susan Alberti what went wrong in 2017, she put the sole blame on him.


So Stringer made Libba come back out of shape?

[Sedat]

You're all missing the point here - Essendon ALWAYS wins trade week. Please stick to the AFL narrative ;)

[comrade]

Not to mention the goal of getting someone we considered to be poison out of our club.

Journalists and commentators don't earn their money by taking a reasoned approach to these discussions, and like a lot of supporters, look at individual trades in isolation from the bigger club objective.

We'll see if indeed it's as good a trade after some water goes under the bridge. I was talking to an Essendon supporter on the weekend and it was clear that he thought Stringer was going to be completely amazing for them. I asked about the rumours and stated facts surrounding his poor behaviour, and he didn't think it was an issue as long as he makes their team better. I asked about Stringer's inability to cope with body contact unless he instigates it and he didn't think that was an issue either. Nor was the fact he hasn't improved at all in the basics such as ball handling and kicking, or in his defensive acts.

As far as he could tell, having Stringer around was all upside. They really can drink the Kool-Aid those EFC supporters.

Yep, the best thing about our Jake Stringer trade is Jake Stringer is no longer at the club. That's a massive win for us.

[comrade]

Because they got their target for much less than the other club wanted and much less than what he's worth. That's excellent trading.

If we had've traded Nathan Hrovat last year for pick 11 that would've been a ripper trade on our behalf, even if we used pick 11 on a dud.

So if Stringer is a catalyst for the Essendon playing list imploding, it's still a good trade because they only used 2x 2nd rounders. The reason his value was so low is because no one else wanted him, due to his off field issues.

[Bulldog Joe]

So if Stringer is a catalyst for the Essendon playing list imploding, it's still a good trade because they only used 2x 2nd rounders. The reason his value was so low is because no one else wanted him, due to his off field issues.

On face value Stringer was a good trade for Essendon, as the consensus (on WOOF) was that he was worth a top 10 pick.

That means Essendon are currently ahead in that trade and if it leads to a flag for them it will be a massive win.

However, there is potential for it to be a disaster if Stringer destabilises their playing list, as he was apparently doing to ours.

Only time will provide the answer.

[comrade]

On face value Stringer was a good trade for Essendon, as the consensus (on WOOF) was that he was worth a top 10 pick.

That means Essendon are currently ahead in that trade and if it leads to a flag for them it will be a massive win.

However, there is potential for it to be a disaster if Stringer destabilises their playing list, as he was apparently doing to ours.

Only time will provide the answer.

The consensus on WOOF means nothing.

The market proves the player's worth at the time of trade. In Stringer's case - most likely due to his off field issues and maybe his on field form - only Essendon were seriously interested.

All this thread proves - and I am 100% guilty myself - is that prior to trade week, we were biased in our opinions on his value, because we were (irrationally) hoping the club would get a deal that was over market value.

There is a reason it didn't turn out like that.

[Rocco Jones]

People too often see trades as purely win or lose.

If Stringer is destructive at Essendon, I do not see us automatically winning the trade via them 'losing'. What Stringer does from now really shouldn't effect how much we 'win' the trade. It is all about how our culture is improved from him leaving and the pieces we got from the trade.

Stinger continuing to be a douche vs our 'party boy' group not really improving/Schache/draftees not adding value= lose/lose.

Stringer returning to form and taking his second chance vs Libba and co. getting the message/Schache turning into a star= win/win.

[Rocco Jones]

Practically speaking, if Stringer is as bad as an influence as it seems, delisting him would have been a 'win'.

[Twodogs]

Because they got their target for much less than the other club wanted and much less than what he's worth. That's excellent trading.

If we had've traded Nathan Hrovat last year for pick 11 that would've been a ripper trade on our behalf, even if we used pick 11 on a dud.


I wonder if it would be possible to go back and rate every trade win/lose/draw and try and figure out if trades where clubs get multiple picks for a player come out on top.

[bornadog]

So Stringer made Libba come back out of shape?

https://media.giphy.com/media/PprHjp7DCw4BW/giphy.gif

[Rocco Jones]

I get Stringer is apparently a bad egg but really hope he isn't seen as the guy making other players doing things. There is something called self control and it's problematic to believe ridding the club of Stringer will automatically make Libba and co. ok again.

[boydogs]

So Stringer made Libba come back out of shape?

Not this year he didn't

https://puu.sh/yHor7/c21a372d9e.png

[bulldogtragic]

Not this year he didn't

https://puu.sh/yHor7/c21a372d9e.png

If opponents picking the ball up aren't fearful of him being around them... They should be. He looks ready to apply the hurt in all senses.

[Rocket Science]

For all the murmuring about the Stringer trainwreck presenting him with his 'Dusty' moment, perhaps the bloke who's really been presented with it is pictured above.

Strewth he looks ready to atone. We carried him at times last year but at his best he's entirely capable of returning the favour.

Hurry up 2018.

[bulldogtragic]

Can anyone work out what that tatt says?

[Twodogs]

I get Stringer is apparently a bad egg but really hope he isn't seen as the guy making other players doing things. There is something called self control and it's problematic to believe ridding the club of Stringer will automatically make Libba and co. ok again.


Tis a bit scapegoatish isn't it?


Can anyone work out what that tatt says?

Hope, Money unintqelible at the bottom.

[Twodogs]

For all the murmuring about the Stringer trainwreck presenting him with his 'Dusty' moment, perhaps the bloke who's really been presented with it is pictured above.

Strewth he looks ready to atone. We carried him at times last year but at his best he's entirely capable of returning the favour.

Hurry up 2018.

Beat me to it. He might not have made others doing the wrong thing but his trading appears to have put a rocket up Libba.

[Topdog]

https://media.giphy.com/media/PprHjp7DCw4BW/giphy.gif

You sigh but it's an absolute cop out if anyone at the club says 2017 is all Stringers fault

[bornadog]

You sigh but it's an absolute cop out if anyone at the club says 2017 is all Stringers fault

Of course lot's of things must go right and you can't blame one person. The sigh was in reply to the comment made.

[Topdog]

Of course lot's of things must go right and you can't blame one person. The sigh was in reply to the comment made.

But the comment made was that 2017 wasn't one person's fault. Lots of boys mucked up but they can't all sit there and finger point to Stringer. Besides Stringer will get enough fingers pointed at him next season playing with Goddard

[bornadog]

But the comment made was that 2017 wasn't one person's fault. Lots of boys mucked up but they can't all sit there and finger point to Stringer. Besides Stringer will get enough fingers pointed at him next season playing with Goddard

No the comment was Stringer made Libba come back out of shape. (see post 2594).

The comment made at the luncheon was more Stringer was a disruptive influence on a number of players and that didn't help our 217 season.

Anyway, I am bored with Stringer - bring on 2018.

[Rocket Science]

I like to call this the 'Hooker Effect'.

http://i63.tinypic.com/1495smc.jpg

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Can anyone work out what that tatt says?

Motel, money, murder, madness.
Line from LA Woman.

[Twodogs]

Motel, money, murder, madness.
Line from LA Woman.


Geez. I went through my Doors phase when I was 16. I'm glad it wasn't considered normal to tattoo song lyrics all over yourself too or I would be covered in some of the most trite lines ever written,

[comrade]

Still has the arm definition of a lazy teenager.

[Twodogs]

Still has the arm definition of a lazy teenager.


I'm a scrawny bastard and I've never been into the whole definition thing. When you say his 'arm definition" Do you mean that his arms look pink and shell like?
My biggest fear was that we'd see a big, strong, ripped looking Stringer roll out this year and he'd burn up the competition (the way I'd be seething to do if what happened to him in the off season happened to me) but I think I can put that fear to bed.

He looks shocking.

[comrade]

I'm a scrawny bastard and I've never been into the whole definition thing. When you say his 'arm definition" Do you mean that his arms look pink and shell like?
My biggest fear was that we'd see a big, strong, ripped looking Stringer roll out this year and he'd burn up the competition (the way I'd be seething to do if what happened to him in the off season happened to me) but I think I can put that fear to bed.

He looks shocking.

No striations or visible muscle separation on his arms, very little vascularity.

His arms are covered in a layer of fat - compare this to the images we're seeing of Libba. Much more defined, more veins popping, means he's worked hard to drop body fat %.

[Twodogs]

No striations or visible muscle separation on his arms, very little vascularity.

His arms are covered in a layer of fat - compare this to the images we're seeing of Libba. Much more defined, more veins popping, means he's worked hard to drop body fat %.

Cooney used to look the same after his knee injury, sort of pudgy. Am I right in thinking that slightly pinkish hue is a bit of a give away?

[jeemak]

Cooney used to look the same after his knee injury, sort of pudgy. Am I right in thinking that slightly pinkish hue is a bit of a give away?

Looking at him it seems he's been told to limit upper body muscle building work (probably due to them wanting to get him into the middle) but has struggled to get his skin folds down.

He's always been a player who hasn't been "cut", in my view he doesn't look too bad for week three of January by his standards. Perhaps however, that's the issue for him. How hard has he ever pushed himself to generate genuine baseline standards for himself? A player like Jake could probably work his arse off harder and harder each year and never get to his full potential because of his own standards.

If he doesn't reach the required standard to become a midfield player, then he's going to end up a 6ft 4in player not strong enough to be a commanding all round forward player, much like he was with us.

[Twodogs]

Still has the arm definition of a lazy teenager.


No striations or visible muscle separation on his arms, very little vascularity.

His arms are covered in a layer of fat - compare this to the images we're seeing of Libba. Much more defined, more veins popping, means he's worked hard to drop body fat %.


Looking at him it seems he's been told to limit upper body muscle building work (probably due to them wanting to get him into the middle) but has struggled to get his skin folds down.

He's always been a player who hasn't been "cut", in my view he doesn't look too bad for week three of January by his standards. Perhaps however, that's the issue for him. How hard has he ever pushed himself to generate genuine baseline standards for himself? A player like Jake could probably work his arse off harder and harder each year and never get to his full potential because of his own standards.

If he doesn't reach the required standard to become a midfield player, then he's going to end up a 6ft 4in player not strong enough to be a commanding all round forward player, much like he was with us.

I think I'm only now starting to truly understand what people mean when they say that you have a duty to your club and your teammates to be in the best physical shape possible to play footy. It doesn't matter how talented you are and what you can do, it's what your best could be. And to be the best you can be means you have to work hard, make sacrifices and present in the best possible physical shape so they can teach you to do your job.

Jake Stringer is as talented as Marcus Bontempelli but one works hard to be his alsolute best and one likes to party and cruise by on his considerable natural talent. And that's why Jake Stringer is at Essendon and Marcus Bontempelli will lead to us to multiple premierships.

Indeed put yourself in the Bont's shoes. You slog your guts out day after day to make yourself a better player and then you look across at Jake Stringer cruising along in automatic and taking short cuts. You'd be pretty annoyed and have every right to walk out the door if nothing was done.

[Greystache]

I thought we should've done much better on the Stringer trade, you only need to look at pick 5 Essendon got for Carlisle the year before to see that, but I also think Stringer is a massively overrated player.

He's quick and strong, and he can do the occasional flashy thing, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. He can't mark overhead, he fumbles chest marks regularly too, he struggles to find the ball in volume, has a poor tank/work ethic, and is one of the worst set shots for goal I've ever seen.

What was really noticeable last year was the way teams approached playing on him. When he was the deepest forward he'd always try to play from behind looking for the cheap goal out the back, so defenders would push back, knowing he would move further back towards goal to be behind them, so they'd do it again, and so would Stringer. Eventually it would get to the point he'd be looking for a kick over the top from a team mate with the ball 80m or more away and he was out out the game. It's one of the reason he'd go such long periods of time without touching the ball. He simply won't present at the ball carrier and opposition teams know it. He needs to find another trick or footy is going to get harder and harder for him.

[Ozza]

I thought we should've done much better on the Stringer trade, you only need to look at pick 5 Essendon got for Carlisle the year before to see that, but I also think Stringer is a massively overrated player.

He's quick and strong, and he can do the occasional flashy thing, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. He can't mark overhead, he fumbles chest marks regularly too, he struggles to find the ball in volume, has a poor tank/work ethic, and is one of the worst set shots for goal I've ever seen.

What was really noticeable last year was the way teams approached playing on him. When he was the deepest forward he'd always try to play from behind looking for the cheap goal out the back, so defenders would push back, knowing he would move further back towards goal to be behind them, so they'd do it again, and so would Stringer. Eventually it would get to the point he'd be looking for a kick over the top from a team mate with the ball 80m or more away and he was out out the game. It's one of the reason he'd go such long periods of time without touching the ball. He simply won't present at the ball carrier and opposition teams know it. He needs to find another trick or footy is going to get harder and harder for him.

The only game in which he didn't play that way was against St.Kilda, where he clearly identified that he could run Nathan Brown ragged if he led up at the footy. Having that bigger/stronger/slower opponent seemed to spark that. And surprise surprise - it was his best match for the year and he kicked 5 goals.
Whereas when they match up Stringer with a mid-sized opponent (think Rampe, Stratton etc) - he defaults to the (as you described) out the back/over the top sort of a bludger.
If Essendon can get him to consistently lead at the ball carrier - he will again be a very good player, as he was in 2015.

In any case, it doesn't matter how good he becomes (or doesn't). The value we get is not only having Schache join the group - but also in ridding the culture of Stringer, who from what I have heard about the situation, had become bordering on untenable given that several of his former 'closest mates', weren't talking to him anymore - and the coaches had lost trust in his capacity to be professional enough.

[Twodogs]

I thought we should've done much better on the Stringer trade, you only need to look at pick 5 Essendon got for Carlisle the year before to see that, but I also think Stringer is a massively overrated player.

He's quick and strong, and he can do the occasional flashy thing, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. He can't mark overhead, he fumbles chest marks regularly too, he struggles to find the ball in volume, has a poor tank/work ethic, and is one of the worst set shots for goal I've ever seen.

What was really noticeable last year was the way teams approached playing on him. When he was the deepest forward he'd always try to play from behind looking for the cheap goal out the back, so defenders would push back, knowing he would move further back towards goal to be behind them, so they'd do it again, and so would Stringer. Eventually it would get to the point he'd be looking for a kick over the top from a team mate with the ball 80m or more away and he was out out the game. It's one of the reason he'd go such long periods of time without touching the ball. He simply won't present at the ball carrier and opposition teams know it. He needs to find another trick or footy is going to get harder and harder for him.

I thought that too at the outset but as revelation after revelation came out about his attitude and habits it was hard to see where it wasn't going to affect his market value. I think in the end the need to rid the playing group of Stringer's influence overrode all other considerations and Essendon knew it and also knew they were the only suitor so they could lowball us.

But I will tell you this about Essendon. They might be riding high at the moment and I will admit that the circlejerk is spectacularly huge. They are at the top of their game. But they are just Cowboys. What have they actually acheived? Nothing. And they will still have acheived nothing when that crook appears from stage right and yanks them off centre stage. And then they will be dirty Essendon who wouldn't take their medicine for the drugs scandal because now we find out they have been fiddling the salary cap all this time as well? There will be hell to pay.

[Twodogs]

No striations or visible muscle separation on his arms, very little vascularity.

His arms are covered in a layer of fat - compare this to the images we're seeing of Libba. Much more defined, more veins popping, means he's worked hard to drop body fat %.


So is it easier to convert fat into muscle (or even can you convert fat into muscle?) or take a lean frame and add muscle to it?

[jeemak]

So is it easier to convert fat into muscle (or even can you convert fat into muscle?) or take a lean frame and add muscle to it?

They are different types of tissue/cells

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/fat-cell2.htm.

https://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/musculoskeletal/muscle.htm

[Twodogs]

They are different types of tissue/cells

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/fat-cell2.htm.

https://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/musculoskeletal/muscle.htm

Which one do the chicks like?

[Greystache]

I thought that too at the outset but as revelation after revelation came out about his attitude and habits it was hard to see where it wasn't going to affect his market value. I think in the end the need to rid the playing group of Stringer's influence overrode all other considerations and Essendon knew it and also knew they were the only suitor so they could lowball us.

But I will tell you this about Essendon. They might be riding high at the moment and I will admit that the circlejerk is spectacularly huge. They are at the top of their game. But they are just Cowboys. What have they actually acheived? Nothing. And they will still have acheived nothing when that crook appears from stage right and yanks them off centre stage. And then they will be dirty Essendon who wouldn't take their medicine for the drugs scandal because now we find out they have been fiddling the salary cap all this time as well? There will be hell to pay.

No worse again than Carlisle, plus Stringer had shown much more on the field. Even if I personally think he doesn't have much upside.

[Twodogs]

No worse again than Carlisle, plus Stringer had shown much more on the field. Even if I personally think he doesn't have much upside.

Was there a bidding war for Carlisle I don't remember. Anyway apart from being a dickhead in general Carlisle's only real stain was that film of him snorting coke? Stringer has been on a downward spiral and had a vindictive ex in the picture.

Anyway it's a moot point now really because Jmac has gone of to the plastics. It will be interesting to see how well he does when he negotiates with Essendon wearing his GWS polo shirt the first time.

[AndrewP6]

I'm not sure we can read that much into Stringer's physical conditioning based on one pic taken in mid-January. I'm much more concerned about the possibility of him finding an extra great and tearing us a new one.

[westbulldog]

I vote for deleting all Stringer posts, no longer has our respect and won't in the future no matter what he does on field. Waste of woofer space Imo.

[Dry Rot]

I thought that too at the outset but as revelation after revelation came out about his attitude and habits it was hard to see where it wasn't going to affect his market value.

The problem was that there was no market, and hence we got a poor trade.

There are 9 other Vic clubs (assuming Stringer wanted to be near his kids) who could have been involved.

Imagine the salary offers to Stringer and probable good trade picks which would have come forward for the 2015 version of Stringer.

But what happened end season 2017?

Only one other club had mild interest which quickly evaporated.

Likewise, it has to be said, 9 other Vic clubs were not falling over themselves to get Shache either.

Time will tell on these two trades.*


*Dry Rot predictions:

Stringer won't be much different to what we've seen, particularly if he gets injured and ****s up his rehab.

Shache seems genuine to prove a point. He will be a revelation and be the next gut running Riewoldt CHF for us, and we will win the flag this year with his key contribution.

And Essendon can go **** themselves.

[Twodogs]

The problem was that there was no market, and hence we got a poor trade.

There are 9 other Vic clubs (assuming Stringer wanted to be near his kids) who could have been involved.

Imagine the salary offers to Stringer and probable good trade picks which would have come forward for the 2015 version of Stringer.

But what happened end season 2017?

Only one other club had mild interest which quickly evaporated.

Likewise, it has to be said, 9 other Vic clubs were not falling over themselves to get Shache either.

Time will tell on these two trades.*


*Dry Rot predictions:

Stringer won't be much different to what we've seen, particularly if he gets injured and ****s up his rehab.

Shache seems genuine to prove a point. He will be a revelation and be the next gut running Riewoldt CHF for us, and we will win the flag this year with his key contribution.

And Essendon can go **** themselves.

I like those predictions.

Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

[Testekill]

Curse Matthew Boyd for signing as a coach for Collingwood and immediately telling them that they should have absolutely nothing to do with Stringer.

[Rocket Science]

Curse Matthew Boyd for signing as a coach for Collingwood and immediately telling them that they should have absolutely nothing to do with Stringer.

Admire the sentiment but I'm very happy he ended up where he did and that putrid mob are forced to nurse another ticking time bomb.

Cue a cold bottle of fine fizz for when it goes off.

[Twodogs]

Admire the sentiment but I'm very happy he ended up where he did and that putrid mob are forced to nurse another ticking time bomb.

Cue a cold bottle of fine fizz for when it goes off.


Yep. It is what it is, time for us to sit back and enjoy the show.

[macca]

Yep. It is what it is, time for us to sit back and enjoy the show.

Add to this , sit back and enjoy their side/slide show

[Greystache]

Wow, just wow. We've hit peak trash



http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/15a4bb33418dcf22991fca514087b275?width=650

LINK (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/jake-stringer-shows-off-new-tattoo-in-the-marking/news-story/95fb903543179e9ce6d00d6e7b240ff0)

[jeemak]

It's a cry for help.

[bulldogtragic]

Sick man. Or; sick, man.

[Twodogs]

Wow, just wow. We've hit peak trash



http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/15a4bb33418dcf22991fca514087b275?width=650

LINK (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/jake-stringer-shows-off-new-tattoo-in-the-marking/news-story/95fb903543179e9ce6d00d6e7b240ff0)

*!*!*!*!. Me. Sideways.

What is it even? I'm not anymore.

[Twodogs]

The last tatt I got was under the old regime where they basically cut a weeping sore into your flesh and then filled it with ink. It left an amount of scarring for a while afterwards.

That work Jake has had done doesn't look anywhere near as bad. Have they got scar free tattooing now? That would explain a lot.

[hujsh]

*!*!*!*!. Me. Sideways.

What is it even? I'm not anymore.
Cowardly Lion Chewbacca now has a mind controlling Fungus growing from his brain. If he is not killed and moved away from the colony soon they will all be infected.

[bornadog]

http://replygif.net/i/1548.gif

[Twodogs]

Cowardly Lion Chewbacca now has a mind controlling Fungus growing from his brain. If he is not killed and moved away from the colony soon they will all be infected.


I'm scared.

[Rocket Science]

Rad to the power of sick, bro.

The only thing cooler than a wookie-lion with an Ivan Drago flat-top is a wookie-lion with Franco Cozzo antlers.

The kiddies still aren't sold though ...

http://i68.tinypic.com/2mobmdd.png

[Twodogs]

Rad to the power of sick, bro.

The only thing cooler than a wookie-lion with an Ivan Drago flat-top is a wookie-lion with Franco Cozzo antlers.

The kiddies still aren't sold though ...

http://i68.tinypic.com/2mobmdd.png

Good to see Jake and his kids enjoying each other's company. That's the really important thing in this whole mess. The rest is just flannel really.

[Greystache]

Cowardly Lion Chewbacca now has a mind controlling Fungus growing from his brain. If he is not killed and moved away from the colony soon they will all be infected.

Is that what it is? I thought it was the exhaust flame from the Millennium Falcon with Chewbacca in the foreground. I presumed he'd get Han and Luke on each thigh, and then Leia on his arse.

Well I have to say I'm confused by this all now.

[Twodogs]

Is that what it is? I thought it was the exhaust flame from the Millennium Falcon with Chewbacca in the foreground. I presumed he'd get Han and Luke on each thigh, and then Leia on his arse.

Well I have to say I'm confused by this all now.


You're confused? Imagine how Jake is tracking.

[ratsmac]

Apparently those tatts are all the rage amongst the 17 year olds these days.

[Twodogs]

Apparently those tatts are all the rage amongst the 17 year olds these days.

So is Jake from all accounts.

[jeemak]

Rad to the power of sick, bro.

The only thing cooler than a wookie-lion with an Ivan Drago flat-top is a wookie-lion with Franco Cozzo antlers.

The kiddies still aren't sold though ...

http://i68.tinypic.com/2mobmdd.png

Is that Stringer's minder in the background?

[bornadog]

Good to see Jake and his kids enjoying each other's company. That's the really important thing in this whole mess. The rest is just flannel really.

Poor kids what chance have they got

[Scraggers]

Poor kids what chance have they got

that's what worries me more than anything ... he is a a presumed train-wreck and the mother is not much better. If you have a look at some of her Insta posts, you wonder how those kids will survive in the world.

[Twodogs]

They get plenty of love judging by the look in Jake's eye. That's the most important thing you can give a kid I reckon.

They work the rest out for themselves eventually.;)


He's teaching them to swim. If the kids are getting swimming lessons you'd reckon their other needs are being looked after.

[Rocco Jones]

I don't like Jake and wish him failure in his footy career but I am not into comments about how crap they will be as parents and the kids being doomed. I'm more in the pantomime fun of disliking players, that stuff is something else.

[Sedat]

My prediction on Stringer is that he'll have an excellent first season at Tullamarine but it will be a dead cat bounce and he'll be out of the AFL system after the end of his current contract. He would have been a superstar in the 80's but in this era of ultimate professionalism, total dedication and off-field accountability he just doesn't have the discipline to do what it takes to sustain a 10+ year career at the highest level.

[comrade]

Essendon put up a video of him in a stoppage contest at training. He grabs the ball and manhandles Darcy Parish before getting a kick off, and then proceeds to shuffle off seemingly exhausted after effort.

Bombers fans are frothing over the prospect of him in the midfield after seeing the footage. I'd be more worried if I saw him leading hard and long, taking strong overhead marks and tackling.

[AndrewP6]

that's what worries me more than anything ... he is a a presumed train-wreck and the mother is not much better. If you have a look at some of her Insta posts, you wonder how those kids will survive in the world.

That's a massive assumption. Plenty of parents (over) use social media, and their kids are fine.

[soupman]

Yep reading the Bigfooty Essendon forum they are very excited.

[Twodogs]

Essendon put up a video of him in a stoppage contest at training. He grabs the ball and manhandles Darcy Parish before getting a kick off, and then proceeds to shuffle off seemingly exhausted after effort.

Bombers fans are frothing over the prospect of him in the midfield after seeing the footage. I'd be more worried if I saw him leading hard and long, taking strong overhead marks and tackling.


Why can't forwards be forwards anymore? Why do have to be able to take a turn in the middle? I understand what the appeal is but, like communism, everybody taking a turn in the middle and running your opponents off their feet at every stoppage is a great idea in theory but falls down in the practice component because not everybody is capable of playing in the midfield.

[Happy Days]

Essendon put up a video of him in a stoppage contest at training. He grabs the ball and manhandles Darcy Parish before getting a kick off, and then proceeds to shuffle off seemingly exhausted after effort.

Bombers fans are frothing over the prospect of him in the midfield after seeing the footage. I'd be more worried if I saw him leading hard and long, taking strong overhead marks and tackling.

Saw that footage - my main take away was how still not ready top 3 pick from 3 years ago Darcy Parish looks for the AFL.

[bulldogtragic]

Good on Essendon fans, I say. We used a heap of top picks once upon a time on a troubled forward (Rawlings), an injury prone mid/flanker (Koops) and a needs based player (Street). Based on their list profile and their new recruits, Essendon fans should expect the same type of impact in the cold heart of day. Until then, let them be excited, then depressed.

[Twodogs]

And while we are on stratergies why do players run off after they have kicked a goal?

[Scraggers]

That's a massive assumption. Plenty of parents (over) use social media, and their kids are fine.

It's not the over-use of social media that worries me. As you know from your experience (as is mine), there is a difference between being at the house as a parent and 'being there' for the kids. The videos Abbi posts of her kids border on neglect. (I am not talking about physical needs, more mental/emotional/ needs) The lack of parenting skills are obvious. The kids don't want for anything; they are well fed and healthy looking. But (from my experience) they don't seem to have the emotional support necessary to survive the wider community. Granted, I don't see or know anything other than what is on Instagram, but I have enough experience (over 20 years as a school administrator) to recognise the signs of emotional/mental neglect. (I hope I'm wrong)

[The Underdog]

It's not the over-use of social media that worries me. As you know from your experience (as is mine), there is a difference between being at the house as a parent and 'being there' for the kids. The videos Abbi posts of her kids border on neglect. (I am not talking about physical needs, more mental/emotional/ needs) The lack of parenting skills are obvious. The kids don't want for anything; they are well fed and healthy looking. But (from my experience) they don't seem to have the emotional support necessary to survive the wider community. Granted, I don't see or know anything other than what is on Instagram, but I have enough experience (over 20 years as a school administrator) to recognise the signs of emotional/mental neglect. (I hope I'm wrong)

I don’t doubt your experience but that’s a huge assumption to make through Instagram.

[Scraggers]

I don’t doubt your experience but that’s a huge assumption to make through Instagram.

Totally agree. As I said, I can only base my comments on their Instagram feeds. I don’t know them and have only met Stringer once ... very briefly. There’s just something there that doesn’t sit well

[jeemak]

And while we are on stratergies why do players run off after they have kicked a goal?

Coincidence, I think.

Not all players who kick a goal run off, largely it's because the bounce is the next available time to hit the scheduled rest. I think the rationale would be that a player being "hot" is less likely an occurrence than a player being cooked.

[Twodogs]

Is that Stringer's minder in the background?


Could it be a supervised visit? I understand partners are using those as a tactic in divorce proceedings now and Jake is in the middle of a divorce.


Poor kids what chance have they got

I think they've got every chance.


Saw that footage - my main take away was how still not ready top 3 pick from 3 years ago Darcy Parish looks for the AFL.

If he's being monstered by Jake Stringer there ain't much hope for him.

[jeemak]

Could it be a supervised visit? I understand partners are using those as a tactic in divorce proceedings now and Jake is in the middle of a divorce.



I think they've got every chance.



If he's being monstered by Jake Stringer there ain't much hope for him.

You crack me up TD. Not only were they not married, why the hell would a supervisor get in the pool too?

The second bit was my joke in the first place.......Jake needing a minder, Jake's minder being super stoked to be in the pool!

[bornadog]

You crack me up TD. Not only were they not married, why the hell would a supervisor get in the pool too?

The second bit was my joke in the first place.......Jake needing a minder, Jake's minder being super stoked to be in the pool!

I thought it was funny. That guy is one of his mates, I have seen photos of them together.

[Twodogs]

You crack me up TD. Not only were they not married, why the hell would a supervisor get in the pool too?

The second bit was my joke in the first place.......Jake needing a minder, Jake's minder being super stoked to be in the pool!

Two Years together and you're in a defacto relationship. That means the break up comes under the auspices of the Family Law Act and any property that has been gained over the duration of the relationship. Same with the kids, they'll have to go through all the CSA hassles and Family Court drama. They are divorcing in all but name. The same rules apply and they have to jump through the same hoops.

[jeemak]

Two Years together and you're in a defacto relationship. That means the break up comes under the auspices of the Family Law Act and any property that has been gained over the duration of the relationship. Same with the kids, they'll have to go through all the CSA hassles and Family Court drama. They are divorcing in all but name. The same rules apply and they have to jump through the same hoops.

Yes I know that quite well due to recent experience (in fact, I think it’s become tighter and when kids are involved tighter again), you still crack me up.

[Twodogs]

Yes I know that quite well due to recent experience (in fact, I think it’s become tighter and when kids are involved tighter again), you still crack me up.

Fair enough then.


The CSA constantly hound my ex and me even though we've asked several times politely and a few times loudly to just leave us alone, we're fine thanks but they keep hassling us. One time they sent me a letter saying that I owed my ex X amount of dollars and at the same time sent my ex a letter saying that she owed me X (different) amount of dollars. They refused to believe for ages tgat the kids lived 100% of the time with me.

We just ignored them in the end.

[jeemak]

Fair enough then.


The CSA constantly hound my ex and me even though we've asked several times politely and a few times loudly to just leave us alone, we're fine thanks but they keep hassling us. One time they sent me a letter saying that I owed my ex X amount of dollars and at the same time sent my ex a letter saying that she owed me X (different) amount of dollars. They refused to believe for ages tgat the kids lived 100% of the time with me.

We just ignored them in the end.

I think that's probably the strategy, send ambiguous information out to all parties as often as possible, until everyone gives up.

[Twodogs]

Maybe he's the swimming teacher?

[ledge]

He might be jakes tattooist, checking out his work ;-)

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Fair enough then.


The CSA constantly hound my ex and me even though we've asked several times politely and a few times loudly to just leave us alone, we're fine thanks but they keep hassling us. One time they sent me a letter saying that I owed my ex X amount of dollars and at the same time sent my ex a letter saying that she owed me X (different) amount of dollars. They refused to believe for ages tgat the kids lived 100% of the time with me.

We just ignored them in the end.
Only prob is they can dock your pay or your tax return.

[Twodogs]

Only prob is they can dock your pay or your tax return.

The ex would just refund it to me, the same as I would to her.

*!*!*!*! the government interfering in our affairs. I don't like being told how to conduct my personal relationships. Then again I don't like to be told to do, say or think anything period, full stop, et al, ad infinitum.

[GVGjr]

While his missed some match practice he's apparently added a couple of KG and has been in explosive form in the midfield.
I'm glad Essendon are talking him up and it will be interesting to see how he goes.

[Topdog]

Shit tattoo

[Twodogs]

While his missed some match practice he's apparently added a couple of KG and has been in explosive form in the midfield.
I'm glad Essendon are talking him up and it will be interesting to see how he goes.

He certainly has. I'm looking forward to seeing him play in the midfield for Essendon. I can't think of anything going wrong with that plan.

[Rocket Science]

Personally looking forward to the first hanger Wood takes over him.

[comrade]

Personally looking forward to the first hanger Wood takes over him.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Zaine Cordy's knee introducing itself to Jakey's jaw Cal Ward style.

[Throughandthrough]

How many times will Stringer do his hammy this season?

[Twodogs]

How many times will Stringer do his hammy this season?


Once is too many.

[Bulldog Joe]

Once is too many.

Sorry.

Based on his efforts with us "ONCE IS NOT ENOUGH"