Stringer Trade Worth

[LostDoggy]

I feel sorry for the people who log in after missing a few hours, see several pages of new posts and think something really significant must have happened.

[LostDoggy]

I do see the bigger picture though.

[Topdog]

Surely that is enough with the bullshit posts by now. I do actually come here to read peoples actual thoughts not whatever keyboard smash they did to get to some magical number of posts.

[Jeanette54]

Surely that is enough with the bullshit posts by now. I do actually come here to read peoples actual thoughts not whatever keyboard smash they did to get to some magical number of posts.

Too true. In fact when I want to know what's really happening with the club I always go to woof.net. The last place to go to is the official club site, which is a problem in itself.

[1eyedog]

Winge winge winge winge winge.

This coming from people who 'pop in' and benefit from those who are on here all the time providing updates in the first place. Allow a little down time from the people who bring you not only the news but well thought out opinions with substance.

[bornadog]

I got jet lagged something shocking at the Casino a while ago. Couldn't shake it off for ages.
Is that you Jake

[dukedog]

What a completely ridiculous, insensitive and, well, stupid analogy. Utter nonsense.

Not really. Just throwing it out there. Insensitive, hahahahaha, what in this day and age isnt insensitive. Soft mate. Should listen to "james blunt - Cry " coz that how you sound at parties when your missus wipes your tears when you stand on a snail at the front door to your mates place.

Anywhoo. Deal stringer to whomever gets the best deal. Or let him sit it out like a whimp.

[Topdog]

Winge winge winge winge winge.

This coming from people who 'pop in' and benefit from those who are on here all the time providing updates in the first place. Allow a little down time from the people who bring you not only the news but well thought out opinions with substance.

The word is a whinge. Did my head in seeing it misspelt 5 times.

Didn't realise i was someone who popped in

[Twodogs]

Let's all call it a draw huh? Nil all to everyone and get back to Jake.

[bulldogtragic]

Let's all call it a draw huh?

You're not my real dad.

[dukedog]

You're not my real dad.

Pure gold.

[1eyedog]

The word is a whinge. Did my head in seeing it misspelt 5 times.

Didn't realise i was someone who popped in


'I' should have been uppercase and full stop after 'in' swarmy.

My head is going to explode!

[jeemak]

This is crap.

[bornadog]

I wonder if Jake has hit the roulette table yet

[AndrewP6]

Not really. Just throwing it out there. Insensitive, hahahahaha, what in this day and age isnt insensitive. Soft mate. Should listen to "james blunt - Cry " coz that how you sound at parties when your missus wipes your tears when you stand on a snail at the front door to your mates place.

.

Classy. Really classy. :rolleyes:

[dukedog]

This is crap.

Elaborate please. 2k posts will not be if you do not elaborate.

[KT31]

Not sure Stringer will be in a competent state to be taking such phone calls

Good, sign him to Gold Coast then.
He won't know what hit him when he sobers up.

[LostDoggy]

I can't wait for this to be over sick of the media playing out we are the villans in this and that he is the scape goat for a poor year, clearly he did the wrong things and we are wanting to cut our losses and I think it wise considering the rat pack Collingwood had if we can stop it early then great but no means is Jake the victim here he did the wrong things and we won't stand by that after multiple attempts to help but to no avail, let him go and hopefully we can reconnect in the future with him being welcomed back as a premiership player, Afterall we don't have many.

[Twodogs]

You're not my real dad.


It all depends. How good looking is your mum?

[chef]

Not really. Just throwing it out there. Insensitive, hahahahaha, what in this day and age isnt insensitive. Soft mate. Should listen to "james blunt - Cry " coz that how you sound at parties when your missus wipes your tears when you stand on a snail at the front door to your mates place.

Anywhoo. Deal stringer to whomever gets the best deal. Or let him sit it out like a whimp.

What is this crap. Have a bit of respect mate.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

What is this crap.

I think he's mistaken woof for bigfooty

[bulldogsthru&thru]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/adelaide-crows/jake-stringer-move-to-essendon-hanging-on-a-thread-20171017-gz2tw3.html

This article better contain a typo of '9'

[GVGjr]

Guys lets get back on track please.

[Rocket Science]

Not really. Just throwing it out there. Insensitive, hahahahaha, what in this day and age isnt insensitive. Soft mate. Should listen to "james blunt - Cry " coz that how you sound at parties when your missus wipes your tears when you stand on a snail at the front door to your mates place.

Anywhoo. Deal stringer to whomever gets the best deal. Or let him sit it out like a whimp.

Nah, soft is being triggered by a gluten-free cake.

Just throwing it out there.

[chef]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/adelaide-crows/jake-stringer-move-to-essendon-hanging-on-a-thread-20171017-gz2tw3.html

This article better contain a typo of '9'

Haha this trade is going from bad to disastrous.

If we trade pick 9 I'll lose it.

[bulldogtragic]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/adelaide-crows/jake-stringer-move-to-essendon-hanging-on-a-thread-20171017-gz2tw3.html

This article better contain a typo of '9'

That's a horror deal, unless we end up with a bucket load of top 20 picks next year. 9, 25 & 30 for just 13 and 2018 swaps... Man, if I believed in God I'd be asking for strength if that happens. And then asking God why he/she let that happen.

[bulldogtragic]

Haha this trade is going from bad to disastrous.

If we trade pick 9 I'll lose it.

Not trading Stringer and giving him $500,000 to punt in 2018 and then looking to trade next year is far superior an option.

[chef]

Not trading Stringer and giving him $500,000 to punt in 2018 and then looking to trade next year is far superior an option.

I'd be happy for him to play at Footscray and then try again next trade period.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Haha this trade is going from bad to disastrous.

If we trade pick 9 I'll lose it.

It's unclear exactly what we are doing from the article - I'll wait for the details

[bulldogtragic]

I'd be happy for him to play at Footscray and then try again next trade period.

It would go beyond disappointment if that trade above happened. To me, a virtual irreconcilable breach of trust in managerial competence. As BT&T said, maybe there's a typo...

[Grantysghost]

That article is taking the p155 surely . No way we trade three picks including one superior and lose stringer for 13!??

[Happy Days]

What is this crap. Have a bit of respect mate.

Nah it's good. I wanna know what he thinks of vaccines.

[bulldogtragic]

That article is taking the p155 surely . No way we trade three picks including one superior and lose stringer for 13!??

You can say piss. Just not *!*!*!*! and *!*!*!*!.

[Grantysghost]

You can say piss. Just not *!*!*!*! and *!*!*!*!.

Well *!*!*!*! me that’s a bad deal !

[bulldogtragic]

Well *!*!*!*! me that’s a bad deal !

*!*!*!*! knows why?!!? :D

[Ghost Dog]

I can't wait for this to be over sick of the media playing out we are the villans in this and that he is the scape goat for a poor year, clearly he did the wrong things and we are wanting to cut our losses and I think it wise considering the rat pack Collingwood had if we can stop it early then great but no means is Jake the victim here he did the wrong things and we won't stand by that after multiple attempts to help but to no avail, let him go and hopefully we can reconnect in the future with him being welcomed back as a premiership player, Afterall we don't have many.

Note carefully how the writer positions us. We are 'feverishly' working on a deal to salvage the situation.
Given up reading theage for a while I think. Simon Dalrymple, Jmac and his team are pros. They got us a flag didn't they?
Essendon have already conceded he is worth at least 11. Given the year we just have had I 'd prefer to not trade for future picks.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

That's a horror deal, unless we end up with a bucket load of top 20 picks next year. 9, 25 & 30 for just 13 and 2018 swaps... Man, if I believed in God I'd be asking for strength if that happens. And then asking God why he/she let that happen.

I have to believe we aren't this stupid.

[1eyedog]

If that happens we have officially fallen through the looking glass. I worry about the backlash from our members if that happens I really do. It could get ugly.

[bulldogtragic]

Ralph peddling 'journalistic truth' to the masses...... :

"Already he (Stringer) has been used as the scapegoat for all that ailed the Dogs this year when we all know many more players had issues than just Stringer."

So why we must take 25 & 30.

[Doc26]

That's a horror deal, unless we end up with a bucket load of top 20 picks next year. 9, 25 & 30 for just 13 and 2018 swaps... Man, if I believed in God I'd be asking for strength if that happens. And then asking God why he/she let that happen.

What has been proposed is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award J-Mac no points, and may God have mercy on all our souls.

[jazzadogs]

It must be 9 and 30 for 13 and 2nd rounder 2018 or something similar.

That trade is effectively having a four kick downgrade in the first round, then "oh and just take these while you're here". We're not that stupid.

[bulldogtragic]

It must be 9 and 30 for 13 and 2nd rounder 2018 or something similar.

That trade is effectively having a four kick downgrade in the first round, then "oh and just take these while you're here". We're not that stupid.

Still that break us about even. So it's Stringer for Pick 25, with a top 10 pick loss in that breaking even. Right now it's the best worst deal, in comparison of any two in front of us at any time.

Here's hoping Geelong or Carlton jump in tomorrow to spice things even a little bit up.

[hujsh]

Guys don't you see what's happening? This thread and the trade period are tearing us apart. Like a barnyard guessing game.

Too many bad vibes around the trade period news with negative media stories soaking in our natural Bulldog pessimism.

[jazzadogs]

Still that break us about even. So it's Stringer for Pick 25, with a top 10 pick loss in that breaking even. Right now it's the best worst deal, in comparison of any two in front of us at any time.

Here's hoping Geelong or Carlton jump in tomorrow to spice things even a little bit up.

Oh don't get me wrong, I still don't like the option I posted. But nobody in our organisation will sign off on 9, 25 and 30 for 13 and pick swaps.

[GVGjr]

Haha this trade is going from bad to disastrous.

If we trade pick 9 I'll lose it.

The deal as detailed by the Age is incomplete so we need to see how it really looks.

Going from 9 to 13 if it gets us Schache and future picks might end up being a decent outcome.
I'm not going to condemn it until I see it.

I've just start to work on something so it will be interesting to see how close we might get.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Surely there’s only two reasons why we trade pick 9 in a deal with West Coast:

1. We use Pick 13 on Schache
Or
2. We get Eagles’ 2018 first rounder, effectively giving us the first rounder for Stringer.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

The deal as detailed by the Age is incomplete so we need to see how it really looks.

Going from 9 to 13 if it gets us Schache and future picks might end up being a decent outcome.
I'm not going to condemn it until I see it.

I've just start to work on something so it will be interesting to see how close we might get.

It would want to be a doozy of a deal for it to seem solid to the broader Bulldog membership.
There is a perception element that looms large right now.

We've had a shit season. A top 10 pick seems at least something to compensate. We're losing Stringer and should expect decent compensation.
To lose Stringer and our top 10 pick in return for a very unproven player in Shache who has serious question marks cast over him is going to be very hard to sell as anything other than taking a bad situation and then making it worse.

[GVGjr]

Surely there’s only two reasons why we trade pick 9 in a deal with West Coast:

1. We use Pick 13 on Schache
Or
2. We get Eagles’ 2018 first rounder, effectively giving us the first rounder for Stringer.

I'm having a look at that. Just having trouble trying to work out how to value future picks. I'm think you can only really do that by calculating mid range picks.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm having a look at that. Just having trouble trying to work out how to value future picks. I'm think you can only really do that by calculating mid range picks.

I think you have to do it the old fashioned way. Gut feel. A bit like how the MRP can confuse acts that need or ought to be suspendable. Sometimes calculating values can be hard. It could be a gut feel.

[GVGjr]

It would want to be a doozy of a deal for it to seem solid to the broader Bulldog membership.
There is a perception element that looms large right now.

We've had a shit season. A top 10 pick seems at least something to compensate. We're losing Stringer and should expect decent compensation.
To lose Stringer and our top 10 pick in return for a very unproven player in Shache who has serious question marks cast over him is going to be very hard to sell as anything other than taking a bad situation and then making it worse.

If we are going to buckle and trade him for 2 x2nd rounders we could easily do that and then offer those picks for Schache and pick 43.
Straight up swap and easy to understand. People will like it, accept it or hate it. We will have to be a good seller of the vision of it.

If we are to trade pick 9 for 13 and some top ups then we have to be able to sell the vision of the 2018 super draft.

What we do know is the more teams you have the harder it is for all clubs to agree and these deals often need plan A, B and C.

It's going to get messy.

I've been fairly positive through this period and I'll try and stock with it but I don't like the position we are in. It's a shame Geelong haven't expressed an interest yet because it could work out better for all concerned.

[Mofra]

That's a horror deal, unless we end up with a bucket load of top 20 picks next year. 9, 25 & 30 for just 13 and 2018 swaps... Man, if I believed in God I'd be asking for strength if that happens. And then asking God why he/she let that happen.
We end up with two first rounders next year in a superdraft?
Based on West Coast who are every chance of sliding down the ladder as they lose a bunch of players to retirement including their best inside mids (Mitchell & Priddis)?
JK getting older? NicNat off a knee?

I think it presents as a huge win for us. We move down 4 spots in this years draft (every chance we still get the player we're targeting) and we effectively get a first rounder in 2018 instead of 2017, with less going back - a better offer than Essendon's first offer.

[Topdog]

But why on earth would West coast do that trade? From what i can see they gain absolutely nothing

[The Adelaide Connection]

Just read on FB that someones friends, uncles, third cousins goat in law works at Essendon and Jake went in for his photos etc. prior to jetting off. This would not suprise me at all from these arrogant jerks.

It would make my year if he:

A) Ends up somewhere else in an ultimatum from us of: 'You are going to *Insert any club but Essendon that we have worked out a favourable deal with* or we'll see you back at the club for preseason'.

or B) He chooses to stay after above ultimatum, pulls his head in and has a Dusty style turnaround.

and C) J-Mac sits down with Dodoro, opens his laptop, spins it around and shows him this:http://beeredland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Soup-Nazi.jpg

Then gets up and walks out the door.

[GVGjr]

But why on earth would West coast do that trade? From what i can see they gain absolutely nothing

If they are chasing Aaron Naughton they might be interested.

[Twodogs]

But why on earth would West coast do that trade? From what i can see they gain absolutely nothing

I agree at face value they get nothing out of it. Bit there must be something in it for them to be entertaining the idea.

[The Pie Man]

Jay Clark’s update tonight was 25, 28 & 30 for 13, while our 9 for something of theirs in 2018 (also unknown) was mentioned as a potential extra sweetener.

The first part of this proposed deal I can live with, though there’s no escaping Strungout & our 2nd round for 11 etc would’ve been the better deal.

If the 2nd part of the proposal involves at least their 2018 1st round for pick 9, I can also live with that. Should probably hold off commenting further until we’ve done our best to clean up this mess by Thursday.

[SonofScray]

At this point I think I want us to just walk away. EFC can get stuffed, Connors can get stuffed, trade radio can get stuffed and if Jake doesn't have the maturity to put in and have a strong contract year he can get stuffed too.

Not buying this crap about us making a meal of the situation. We have had a pretty solid message, seems that everyone just assumed we were doing the dance and went about trying to screw us. Ideally there'd be some sort of statement to the effect of "if there is no music playing, we ain't dancing." Essendon very arrogant. Disrespectful malakas.

[ledge]

I say send him to the bombers watch him keep stuffing up and then see who won the trade eg Griffen/ Boyd

[Twodogs]

Winge winge winge winge winge.

This coming from people who 'pop in' and benefit from those who are on here all the time providing updates in the first place. Allow a little down time from the people who bring you not only the news but well thought out opinions with substance.


I just wanted to mention this one. Not calling you out or anything 1eye (you probably don't know) but I feel obliged to point out that Topdog is a valued member of the WOOF community and has done his share of heavy lifting in the past-in fact I think he was one of the original mods-everyone puts in when they can.

Anyway I didn't want TD thinking we'd forgotten his service.

[chef]

Jay Clark’s update tonight was 25, 28 & 30 for 13, while our 9 for something of theirs in 2018 (also unknown) was mentioned as a potential extra sweetener.

The first part of this proposed deal I can live with, though there’s no escaping Strungout & our 2nd round for 11 etc would’ve been the better deal.

If the 2nd part of the proposal involves at least their 2018 1st round for pick 9, I can also live with that. Should probably hold off commenting further until we’ve done our best to clean up this mess by Thursday.

So we should have taken 11 and 46 for Stinger and 26. Lol we've stuffed this up severely

[Remi Moses]

Guys don't you see what's happening? This thread and the trade period are tearing us apart. Like a barnyard guessing game.

Too many bad vibes around the trade period news with negative media stories soaking in our natural Bulldog pessimism.

This is our Yoko Ono Moment

[jazzadogs]

So we should have taken 11 and 46 for Stinger and 26. Lol we've stuffed this up severely

If the trade ends up being 9, 25 and 28 for 13 and their first rounder next year it's not as bad. There's definitely a case of becoming conditioned to low expectations...but it can be expected that WC miss finals next year, which means were basically getting pick 11 or less for Stringer.

If Clark is right and were giving them all three of the second rounders, then I expect their 2018 2nd rounder to come back as well.

[dukedog]

Nah it's good. I wanna know what he thinks of vaccines.

Cant go down that road. Already too many knickers in a knot as it is.

I wouldn't be giving up any picks to satisfy us so the dons get stringer. Deal him to whomever else wants him or keep him at club. Nice guy trading with essendon will not gain you anything in the future. We have good enough 'friendly deal' clubs to work with anyway.

[Dancin' Douggy]

At this point I think I want us to just walk away. EFC can get stuffed, Connors can get stuffed, trade radio can get stuffed and if Jake doesn't have the maturity to put in and have a strong contract year he can get stuffed too.

Not buying this crap about us making a meal of the situation. We have had a pretty solid message, seems that everyone just assumed we were doing the dance and went about trying to screw us. Ideally there'd be some sort of statement to the effect of "if there is no music playing, we ain't dancing." Essendon very arrogant. Disrespectful malakas.

I’m with you 100%

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Jay Clark’s update tonight was 25, 28 & 30 for 13, while our 9 for something of theirs in 2018 (also unknown) was mentioned as a potential extra sweetener.

The first part of this proposed deal I can live with, though there’s no escaping Strungout & our 2nd round for 11 etc would’ve been the better deal.

If the 2nd part of the proposal involves at least their 2018 1st round for pick 9, I can also live with that. Should probably hold off commenting further until we’ve done our best to clean up this mess by Thursday.

THREE second rounders for pick 13 i'm not ok with. Remember in 2015 we traded pick 11 for 20 and 21. I know those are 2 early 2nd round picks but in this shallow draft im not sure pick 13 is worth three second rounders.

[bulldogtragic]

THREE second rounders for pick 13 i'm not ok with. Remember in 2015 we traded pick 11 for 20 and 21. I know those are 2 early 2nd round picks but in this shallow draft im not sure pick 13 is worth three second rounders.

Agree totally. Things are starting to look very gloomy.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Agree totally. Things are starting to look very gloomy.

How would you feel with 9, 25 and 28 for 13 and West Coast 2018 first round?

[Bulldog4life]

I have flipped and flopped with my emotions over this, changing my mind daily as to what we should do. The one problem I can see is that if Stringer is considered to be a toxic element to the group we should just get the best we can for him. According to Murph the problem with Jake has been going on 2 years so Stringer is still in denial even today. Furthermore if Bevo feels we would be much better without Stringer, the playing group as a whole would be better, that is good enough for me. No doubt Bevo has tried and tried to reel Stringer in and get him on the straight and narrow. Bevo is a player's coach and is well loved by the players and loves the players back so it appears that there is a lot that has happened behind the scenes that we aren't privy to for the doggies to get rid of Stringer.

Yes we haven't handled this well right from the start but the club was blindsided I feel when Abby spoke up. The lack of clubs lining up for Stringer's services is a further indication of what the football world knows about Jake Stringer's lifestyle and his unprofessionalism. I hate Essendon as much as the next bloke and hate even more giving them a player who "could be a game breaker for them". Yes we most likely should have taken their first offer. We tried to get more. It looks like we can't now. So I trust the club has made the right decision and hopefully we can get the best trade we can for a brilliant player who at the moment is damaged goods and has been for a while affecting our playing group in the meantime.

[bulldogtragic]

How would you feel with 9, 25 and 28 for 13 and West Coast 2018 first round?

Good, but I can't see it happening with a straight swap in a strong draft.. It might be their first for our second, like the original Essendon offer. So say a 15 pick upgrade next year. Pick 13 this year. For a top 10 pick and two second rounders. Not great.

[Topdog]

I've got a 3 week old baby at home so please take my rants with a pinch of rest and a handful of sleep.

At the end of the day we all love the tricolours

[Twodogs]

I've got a 3 week old baby at home so please take my rants with a pinch of rest and a handful of sleep.

At the end of the day we all love the tricolours


I can empathise completely. I bought two kids up by myself.

[1eyedog]

I just wanted to mention this one. Not calling you out or anything 1eye (you probably don't know) but I feel obliged to point out that Topdog is a valued member of the WOOF community and has done his share of heavy lifting in the past-in fact I think he was one of the original mods-everyone puts in when they can.

Anyway I didn't want TD thinking we'd forgotten his service.

That's fine mate and I agree. I wasn't really referring to TD in my initial post.

And congrats TD a newborn is a massive achievement and a 24 hour responsibility!

[Happy Days]

So 11 for 26 and Jake was no good, but 13 for Jake and 26 is fine. We suck.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

So 11 for 26 and Jake was no good, but 13 for Jake and 26 is fine. We suck.

The club deserves a fair whack if that goes ahead.

[jazzadogs]

Good, but I can't see it happening with a straight swap in a strong draft.. It might be their first for our second, like the original Essendon offer. So say a 15 pick upgrade next year. Pick 13 this year. For a top 10 pick and two second rounders. Not great.

But the only way that trade has any equality is if it's 9 for 13 and 25+28 for a first rounder next year (assumed to be around 10). I honestly cannot see us signing off anything that differs too significantly from that.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

The club deserves a fair whack if that goes ahead.

There should be consequences if this is the outcome - it would be bordering on incompetence.

[Topdog]

So 11 for 26 and Jake was no good, but 13 for Jake and 26 is fine. We suck.

Potentially we suck massively. Every hour i change from thinking we will hold firm to folding like a poorly put together jenga

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

At this point I think we'd be better off keeping Jake (even if that meant him not playing next year) and keeping pick 9.

[LostDoggy]

Too much doomsday stuff in here. Nothing is settled. All we have done this trade period is get Trengove and Crozier for SFA. We should hold on the lynching mob stuff until other deals are finalised.

[Twodogs]

Potentially we suck massively. Every hour i change from thinking we will hold firm to folding like a poorly put together jenga


In that case we stick strong. Everyone has doubts about whether they are doing the right thing all the time. Nobody is 100% how this will turn out. The only way we get that certitude is to cave in and give Essendon what they want.

Is that what you want to do?

[Axe Man]

Jake Stringer’s trade to Essendon nears as Western Bulldogs, West Coast shuffle picks (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jake-stringers-trade-to-essendon-nears-as-western-bulldogs-west-coast-shuffle-picks/news-story/1a35bb2665e5d7d3894072f75da5bc32)

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have made progress on a pick swap with West Coast which would send Jake Stringer to Essendon.

After two frantic days of discussions with the Eagles, the Dogs are believed to be close to an arrangement which would help them secure a first-round draft pick for the loss of the All-Australian forward.

The deal involves the Dogs accepting picks No.25 and No.30 from Essendon for Stringer.

As the Herald Sun revealed on Tuesday, the Dogs would then on-trade No.25 and No.30, and potentially their own No.28, to West Coast for pick No.13.

The deal would help satisfy the Eagles’ desire to load up with more picks inside the top-50 of next month’s national draft after four senior player retirements this year including veteran midfielders Sam Mitchell and Matt Priddis.

West Coast also possesses picks No.32 and No.50.

But there could be another layer of the West Coast-Bulldogs deal which could help sweeten the agreement further in the Eagles’ favour before Thursday’s 2pm trade deadline.

Under one proposal, the Dogs could give their current pick No.9 in this year’s draft to West Coast.

In return, the Eagles could hand over a future first or second-round pick in next year’s draft back to the Dogs.

Overall it means the Dogs would slide back from No.9 to No.13 in this year’s draft and lose two or three selections in the second round.

But the Dogs would bolster their position in next year’s draft which is widely believed to house one of the best talent pools in recent years.

The Eagles bowed out in the second week of this year’s finals race but could drop down the ladder next year as they look to replenish the list with fresh young talent.

The Herald Sun understands Dogs’ list manager Jason McCartney was still thrashing out details of the deal with Eagles’ list chief Brady Rawlings on Tuesday night.

Negotiations could continue right up until Thursday’s 2pm trade deadline.

The lifeline would help McCartney navigate a difficult situation after Essendon list guru Adrian Dodoro smartly took pick No.11 off the table last week in a trade for Devon Smith.

The Dogs have been under intense pressure to secure a Stringer deal in recent days after surprisingly putting him up for trade last month amid some frustrations with his preparation and behaviour.

Importantly, the deal with Essendon and West Coast would avoid the ugly scenario where Stringer would be forced to return to the Kennel next year to continue his football career against his will.

While the Dogs have maintained they were happy to keep Stringer to his contract, the situation would create massive distraction for Stringer and his teammates if he remained at the club in 2018.

The acquisition of Stringer caps a stunning trade period for Essendon, nabbing Smith, speedster Adam Saad and, finally, premiership star Stringer.

The talent injection was designed to give the resurgent Bombers a genuine crack at a top-four spot next year.

[Topdog]

In that case we stick strong. Everyone has doubts about whether they are doing the right thing all the time. Nobody is 100% how this will turn out. The only way we get that certitude is to cave in and give Essendon what they want.

Is that what you want to do?

Exactly right we can't just give in to Essendons rubbish offer

[Topdog]

OMG that article. Who wrote that Essendon love rubbish?!?!

[mjp]

There's no point in worrying about Geelong, Carlton or 'other' suitors. Jake wont sign there - he WANTS the Essendon deal. He WANTS to leave. He and his manager and his father can trot out whatever they like about not being able to go back but this has become a $ play on their behalf, pure and simple. Essendon are offering him a nice contract and good luck to him for wanting it.

That Essendon have got us working the phones - they said yesterday that they are waiting for us to call - tends to indicate to me that moving Jake is more important to us than getting Jake is to them. My take all along is that our 'he can just come back and play here' line is exactly that - a line - and that moving Jake out of the club is very important to the footy department. If that is the case - if his values and behaviours are that far out of sync with the rest of the group (and forget the away from the club stuff, mad gamblers and womanisers can be great team-mates) then he has to go.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

What a shit sandwich this is.
We lose Stringer, drop a known pick 9 this year for an unknown 1st rounder next year.
And to top it off we've done nothing to improve our squad, much less mitigate the loss of Jake's footballing talent.

That would be two trade periods in a row we've failed to improve our list.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

"Under one proposal, the Dogs could give their current pick No.9 in this year’s draft to West Coast.

In return, the Eagles could hand over a future first or second-round pick in next year’s draft back to the Dogs."

First of all, 3 second rounders for 1 first is already in the eagles favour so we don't need to sweeten it.

And secondly trading our pick 9 this year for the eagles SECOND rounder next year is just ludicrous?

Am i the only one gobsmacked at these trade suggestions? Honestly the trade scenarios the media have put up during this whole stringer debacle have been laughable. If we make that trade with the "sweetner" of a second rounder, we'll have zero fans left. What a diabolical outcome that would be.

Swapping 9 this year for the eagles first next year i am ok with. 13 for 3 second rounders i don't like though. It should be 25 and 28 for 13 and perhaps a third or future third from us.

[1eyedog]

What a shit sandwich this is.
We lose Stringer, drop a known pick 9 this year for an unknown 1st rounder next year.
And to top it off we've done nothing to improve our squad, much less mitigate the loss of Jake's footballing talent.

That would be two trade periods in a row we've failed to improve our list.

No if it's a future first rounder from the Cokers next year and they seriously hit the wall which is possible. It's risky but may be all we have.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

No if it's a future first rounder from the Cokers next year and they seriously hit the wall which is possible. It's risky but may be all we have.

Yeah i don't mind taking a risk there. Especially in an absolute loaded draft next year as opposed to a weak draft this year. Of course, this sort of stuff is said each year but if we aren't overly keen on anyone at pick 9 this year then i'm happy to take this punt. But it must be the first rounder. Not the second like this North Korean (Essendon Bombers dictatorship) article has suggested.

[mjp]

OMG that article. Who wrote that Essendon love rubbish?!?!

To be fair, if Essendon manage to get Saad, Smith and Stringer for pick 11 and a handful of beans then they have done pretty bloody well.

I like Saad and whilst I am not a huge Smith fan he has a pretty big ego as a player and the sting of being left out of the prelim side could really fire him up. Stringer is goodness knows how good...he is either a top 10 player in the competition or not worthy of his place in the 22 of the 18th side on the ladder. My thoughts given our (seeming) determination to move him on are that Hawthorn moved on Gary Ablett Snr after a few games of senior footy and didn't seem to suffer because of it...the stories of the allowances Geelong made for his behaviour in the years that followed are a strong pointer to why they were so often grand final bridesmaids!

[Topdog]

To be fair, if Essendon manage to get Saad, Smith and Stringer for pick 11 and a handful of beans then they have done pretty bloody well.

I like Saad and whilst I am not a huge Smith fan he has a pretty big ego as a player and the sting of being left out of the prelim side could really fire him up. Stringer is goodness knows how good...he is either a top 10 player in the competition or not worthy of his place in the 22 of the 18th side on the ladder. My thoughts given our (seeming) determination to move him on are that Hawthorn moved on Gary Ablett Snr after a few games of senior footy and didn't seem to suffer because of it...the stories of the allowances Geelong made for his behaviour in the years that followed are a strong pointer to why they were so often grand final bridesmaids!

Oh overall I agree although Essendon wont have improved on their biggest weakness at all and still be full of front runners. My main issue with the article is the following line

"The acquisition of Stringer caps a stunning trade period for Essendon, nabbing Smith, speedster Adam Saad and, finally, premiership star Stringer."

I'd say wrong choice of tense but I'm certain it was deliberate

[1eyedog]

You know what would be the best? Just do nothing and let 2pm slide by. It would be so great for that to happen.

[jazzadogs]

Jake Stringer’s trade to Essendon nears as Western Bulldogs, West Coast shuffle picks (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jake-stringers-trade-to-essendon-nears-as-western-bulldogs-west-coast-shuffle-picks/news-story/1a35bb2665e5d7d3894072f75da5bc32)

The talent injection was designed to give the resurgent Bombers a genuine crack at a top-four spot next year.

Definitely my favourite line of the article.

[westbulldog]

You know what would be the best? Just do nothing and let 2pm slide by. It would be so great for that to happen.

That would be my strong preference too. We have been offered crap alternatives, been played by Essendon and Cooney, both of whom I now have zero regard for. If our list managers take any of the rubbish offered then they should be terminated. I think we have had a gutful of this trade, let him sit out a year and forget him and his "manager".

[DOG GOD]

That would be my strong preference too. We have been offered crap alternatives, been played by Essendon and Cooney, both of whom I now have zero regard for. If our list managers take any of the rubbish offered then they should be terminated. I think we have had a gutful of this trade, let him sit out a year and forget him and his "manager".

Agree 100%. I'm over it and so should the club be.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

West Coast know we're desperate so don't expect any favours from them.

We'll be bent over by Essendon and we'll overpay in any deal with the E-girls.

[G-Mo77]

West Coast know we're desperate so don't expect any favours from them.

We'll be bent over by Essendon and we'll overpay in any deal with the E-girls.

I guess it all depends on what West Coast get out of it. They may be desperate for someone around pick 9?

Anyway they can butter it up any way they like it's not a good deal, supporters won't be pleased.

[The Doctor]

why don't we just bloody well take the picks and go to the draft for freaks sake. Think we are trying to be too clever. Why shoot ourselves in the foot twice by overpaying west coast?

[Doc26]

I'm gritting my teeth on how we get out of this mess.

Assuming the reporting to date is correct, our Football Operations / List Management area must be held to account for how they've mismanaged the exiting of Stringer from the Club. Where has been the forward planning and the tactics from mid-season onwards to work towards a win for us out of this Jake debacle?

It is now embarrassing as a supporter to watch how this is being played out, with Dodoro and Connors clearly schooling us, knowing ahead of our 'team' how this will play out. Shit even a twit in Cooney could articulate how this was going to pan out - in fact, right now it's sounding even worse than that.

This has highlighted us as amateurs in the trading game, and a PR disaster, and I'm sitting here angry that we have managed a 120 point thrashing by Essendon in the off-season.

[Bulldog Revolution]

why don't we just bloody well take the picks and go to the draft for freaks sake. Think we are trying to be too clever. Why shoot ourselves in the foot twice by overpaying west coast?

We may still do - but it's good we are exploring how we might use them to put us in a better position

It's also interesting that we may opt for picks next year rather than this year - this is a longer term strategy that suggests we aren't feeling pressured to show immediate outcomes from the Stringer trade immediately

Interested to see how it all plays out

[Twodogs]

To be fair, if Essendon manage to get Saad, Smith and Stringer for pick 11 and a handful of beans then they have done pretty bloody well.

I like Saad and whilst I am not a huge Smith fan he has a pretty big ego as a player and the sting of being left out of the prelim side could really fire him up. Stringer is goodness knows how good...he is either a top 10 player in the competition or not worthy of his place in the 22 of the 18th side on the ladder. My thoughts given our (seeming) determination to move him on are that Hawthorn moved on Gary Ablett Snr after a few games of senior footy and didn't seem to suffer because of it...the stories of the allowances Geelong made for his behaviour in the years that followed are a strong pointer to why they were so often grand final bridesmaids!

One word mate.

Billy Barrott. If you don't know who he is (I know you do Mike) then Google him. Read up on what he meant to the Richmond football club and how his time suddenly ended there. The president was dying from cancer and Richmond supporters threw things at him at the AGM because the club had cleared Barrott for IAN STEWART (if you don't mind!)

[bulldogtragic]

25 hours, 50 minutes.

[Jam Donuts]

If Charlie the wonder dog is anything like mine, then he wont bring the ball back.

[Eastdog]

Well we at nearly close to the end line. If Stringer ends up staying then it will be a bit of a hassle for us with him not really happy to remain and then next year he can just walk so in that case we would want to get a deal done now.

[azabob]

In the minority here but since we missed the boat on pick 11 and returning pick 26, I think we should accept 25 & 30.

If his attitude is not where it needs to be we need to move him on. Clearly something was wrong during 2017.

The footy department have identified Stringer as a big part of it and should be moved on for the greater good.

On a side note I think we tried to learn from the Lake trade where we traded on Day 1 or 2 and got an
Ok deal and if we held out longer we may have got a better deal. But holding out longer doesn’t always mean a better deal...

[Hotdog60]

So if Jake stays and we cannot turn him around and he departs next year as uncontracted.
We still do the dealing with clubs for either picks or players and if nothing is acceptable then he takes the risk in the pre season draft.
Is this how things would pan out?

[1eyedog]

Well we at nearly close to the end line. If Stringer ends up staying then it will be a bit of a hassle for us with him not really happy to remain and then next year he can just walk so in that case we would want to get a deal done now.

Nah he just wouldn't play next year and / or have a year to get his shit together. The best thing Jake could do is take a year off and get his shit together, develop his brain to one beyond what is in his trousers and learn some life lessons. PG could spin this really effectively that we simply value Jake more than his suitors so we're keeping him, that the club is concerned about Jake's well being and we have a duty of care to look after Jake and get him the help he needs etc.

Btw what the hell is JJ and Suckers doing going with him to the States?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Expect a deal to be done involving the eagles.....i'm scared

[bulldogtragic]

Expect a deal to be done involving the eagles.....i'm scared

McGovern? :D

[MrMahatma]

I think of it this way. We didn't say "hey... let's see what we can get for Stringer, he's a gun and maybe we'll get a good pick?" we said "he's such a bad influence on our squad that we're better off without him than we are with him".

He has to go. We'll do what we can to maximise the return but if that ends up being two first rounders, there's nothing stopping us saying "We reviewed it as a committee and felt that the guy is so toxic that we wouldn't want to have him lead future draftees astray and decided to provide a duty of care to our listed players and move him into a culture he'll fit better with".

Bit b1tchy so the PR guys could tidy it up. But at the end of the day, if we want to spin a positive, it should be that we care about the young men on our list and we'll make sure they're taken care of. Juxtapositions nicely with the Bombers.

[jeemak]

In the minority here but since we missed the boat on pick 11 and returning pick 26, I think we should accept 25 & 30.

If his attitude is not where it needs to be we need to move him on. Clearly something was wrong during 2017.

The footy department have identified Stringer as a big part of it and should be moved on for the greater good.

On a side note I think we tried to learn from the Lake trade where we traded on Day 1 or 2 and got an
Ok deal and if we held out longer we may have got a better deal. But holding out longer doesn’t always mean a better deal...

Very wise words.

That's why it's important to go into trade periods being decisive over what your objectives for each player are in terms of compensation received, as well as what your walk away position is.

[Twodogs]

Nah he just wouldn't play next year and / or have a year to get his shit together. The best thing Jake could do is take a year off and get his shit together, develop his brain to one beyond what is in his trousers and learn some life lessons. PG could spin this really effectively that we simply value Jake more than his suitors so we're keeping him, that the club is concerned about Jake's well being and we have a duty of care to look after Jake and get him the help he needs etc.

Btw what the hell is JJ and Suckers doing going with him to the States?

I'm hoping JJ is making sure his best mate gets home OK even if it means he has to ride shotgun the whole trip. I have very little idea what Suckers is doing or thinking at the best of times let alone when he is an entire continent away!

[Murphy'sLore]

At the moment it feels as if we will lose, no matter what happens.

[bulldogtragic]

So we're certain Essendon won't blink? Maybe add a good young player to 25 & 30 to get it done.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Carlton talking to Adelaide about Gibbs. Hope we've got a yay or nay from them so we're not waiting on it

[G-Mo77]

So we're certain Essendon won't blink? Maybe add a good young player to 25 & 30 to get it done.

Need a list spot for that mate

[bulldogtragic]

Carlton talking to Adelaide about Gibbs. Hope we've got a yay or nay from them so we're not waiting on it

Would be perfect, leaving picks to smooth things out aside. Charlie Cameron wants to go to Brisbane. Josh Schache wants Victoria (dogs??). Bryce Gibbs wants to Adelaide. Carlton want picks for trades & perhaps Jake Stringer.

A lot of moving parts, but 4 clubs could get something they want into their club and get some compo for players leaving their club.

[1eyedog]

Ah how good would it be for Jake to go to Carlton instead of Essendon, so good.

I feel great right now, I just watched the 2016 Grand Final highlights.

[bulldogtragic]

Need a list spot for that mate

Depends what we do with the picks. GWS will get Honeychurch by the sounds of it. So that's 5 spots, if Campbell can't find a new club.

[bulldogtragic]

24 Hours, 8 minutes.

Man I hope it's not a car crash result.

[G-Mo77]

Depends what we do with the picks. GWS will get Honeychurch by the sounds of it. So that's 5 spots, if Campbell can't find a new club.

Crozier, Trengove in and Smith upgrade.

I doubt a player is coming in.

[bulldogtragic]

Crozier, Trengove in and Smith upgrade.

I doubt a player is coming in.

That aside, an Essendon player, I guess I was asking do we think Essendon will do something in the next 24 hours to improve the offer in any way to secure JS, or expect us to break?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Still baffles me why we are upgrading Smith.

We love to hand out list spots.

[divvydan]

Early in the trade period we seemed to be willing to take 11 for 26 + Stringer if and only if using 11 and 9 got us a pick inside the top 5 but we couldn't work out any sort of pick swap with a top 5 pick and so we didn't take the deal. That suggests we had a particular player in mind to draft. With that gone, it seems like we've decided that whoever we can get at 9 will still be available at 13 which would explain why we're looking at possible ways to drop back in exchange for something else next year.

I think it's still highly likely that a deal gets done and from an external pov we'll be seen to cave in to Essendon's 25 and 30 but we seem to be trying to do what we can under the circumstances to manipulate our draft order this year and next to draft the players we've identified. Of course doing something like this leaves us vulnerable on draft night if someone doesn't drop through to us that we expected to.

[bulldogtragic]

Could Carlton do a draft pick trade to get Kennedy & Lang.

Start: Gibbs for 10 & 16
Dogs: Trade Stringer for 25 & 30
Then: 16 to Dogs for 25 (Kennedy) & 28 (Lang)

Dogs: 16 for Stringer
Blues: 10, Kennedy & Lang for Gibbs

Our Picks: 9, 16 & 30

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Surely Gibbs isn't worth Pick 10 and 16?

[bulldogtragic]

Surely Gibbs isn't worth Pick 10 and 16?

Apparently that's still the asking price. Two first rounders, one in the top 10. If Cameron goes for 12, it could be 12 & 16.

As it relates to us, they need to split pick 16 for a couple of picks in the 20's to land Kennedy & Lang. Maybe we can help them.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Still baffles me why we are upgrading Smith.

We love to hand out list spots.

Signalling support to a fallen brother - noble, but whether we should is worthy of debate

[The Bulldogs Bite]

How is it that Essendon want Stringer, yet have kicked up their feet and have their phone sitting next to them, showing no initiative whatsoever to appease us in getting a better deal.

Meanwhile, we're the ones scrounging around trying to get it done.

I understand we put Stringer on the table, and you (us) should always be proactive in obtaining a good deal, but do Essendon want him or not? It's ridiculous to think that they're on the couch yet want us to do all the work to trade a player to them that they chased!

I still wish we had enough spine to tell Essendon to piss off.

[Mofra]

Sam McClure tweeting the WCE pick deal fell through.

That puts any Stringer trade in serious doubt.

[bulldogtragic]

Sam McClure tweeting the WCE pick deal fell through.

That puts any Stringer trade in serious doubt.

We need to rely on Carlton trading Gibbs for 10 & 16. With Kennedy & Lang nominating Carlton they have to split probably 16 for two 20's picks to get them both. Our 25 & 28 deliver that.

Pick 16 isn't a great return, but it's that or no trade.

[Jam Donuts]

I have a feeling that the no trade option is the favourite now.

[ledge]

So the bombers are now out ?

[bulldogtragic]

I have a feeling that the no trade option is the favourite now.

That's what everyone needs to be screaming. Essendon had him all but signed, but decided to home and sit by the phone and *!*!*!*! the deal. Now they don't have Stringer and they don't have a first rounder either.

[1eyedog]

We are not accepting the Bomber two 2nd rounders under any circumstance. They've made their choices with Saad and Smith and missed out on the best footballer through their own arrogance.

[kruder]

How is it that Essendon want Stringer, yet have kicked up their feet and have their phone sitting next to them, showing no initiative whatsoever to appease us in getting a better deal.

Meanwhile, we're the ones scrounging around trying to get it done.

I understand we put Stringer on the table, and you (us) should always be proactive in obtaining a good deal, but do Essendon want him or not? It's ridiculous to think that they're on the couch yet want us to do all the work to trade a player to them that they chased!

I still wish we had enough spine to tell Essendon to piss off.

We cant blame anyone else but ourselves on this one

[bulldogtragic]

So the bombers are now out ?

No. We've said we won't accept their offer. They won't up it. They won't even help wth a pick trade with us and another club. So since they're happy with a deadlock, no trade.

[1eyedog]

The only way they'll break it is to offer up their 1st rounder next year and that's clearly what we are after.

[bulldogtragic]

The only way they'll break it is to offer up their 1st rounder next year and that's clearly what we are after.

Apparently they blocked themselves from doing this by trading their 2018 second rounder.

Carlton or bust now.

[Axe Man]

The only way they'll break it is to offer up their 1st rounder next year and that's clearly what we are after.

They can't as they already traded away their 2018 second round pick.

[Topdog]

Apparently they blocked themselves from doing this by trading their 2018 second rounder.

Carlton or bust now.

I saw that mentioned earlier but is that actually true? Can you not trade 2 futures? If so how is it that Hawthorn traded their first and second round for this season?

[kruder]

Apparently they blocked themselves from doing this by trading their 2018 second rounder.

Carlton or bust now.

Its getting very very interesting for the dogs now. Will they have enough substance and hold firm on their rhetoric? Going by form we will take the 2 second rounders lets hope I'm wrong on this and Jake is forced to come back to the club with his tail between his legs and we sit down and work shit out.

[bulldogtragic]

Its getting very very interesting for the dogs now. Will they have enough substance and hold firm on their rhetoric? Going by form we will take the 2 second rounders lets hope I'm wrong on this and Jake is forced to come back to the club with his tail between his legs and we sit down and work shit out.

The long term implications are that every trade period we flag our willingness to back down and take inferior offers. That's a problem beyond JS this period. I think we have to stick firm, or work into another trade. The only possible one seems Carlton right now.

[bulldogtragic]

Gibbs deal soon to be done if you believe trade radio. Then Carlton have to work out how to break up the pick 16 to deliver them Lang & Kennedy (both apparently mid 20's pick value).

Hopefully we've already told them they can have 25 & 28 for Pick 16.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Gibbs deal soon to be done if you believe trade radio. Then Carlton have to work out how to break up the pick 16 to deliver them Lang & Kennedy (both apparently mid 20's pick value).

Hopefully we've already told them they can have 25 & 28 for Pick 16.

Given that still involves Essendon getting Stringer, part of me hopes it all falls through.

[Remi Moses]

Wonder if Carlton return the favour of us giving them the pick they got curnow with ?

[Rocket Science]

You wonder whether camp Jake might be getting just a wee bit antsy and frustrated with Dodo's unhelpfulness in getting him to where he evidently wants to be ... and whether that motivates the Bombers to invest some effort and put out.

If it all falls through our Jakey's going to have a rather nasty taste in his mouth I reckon, not that I think his prospective new employers would give two shits.

[bulldogtragic]

Given that still involves Essendon getting Stringer, part of me hopes it all falls through.

Give the drug cheats a gun player cheaply. Then... Give the salary cap cheats a helping hand so they can bring in more talent. All for pick 16. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be a solid citizen.

[Ghost Dog]

Apparently that's still the asking price. Two first rounders, one in the top 10. If Cameron goes for 12, it could be 12 & 16.

As it relates to us, they need to split pick 16 for a couple of picks in the 20's to land Kennedy & Lang. Maybe we can help them.

Gibbs for 10 and 16, Motlop for 19. What a strange trade period.

[bulldogtragic]

Gibbs for 10 and 16, Motlop for 19. What a strange trade period.

Stringer for 25 & 30. Nothing for Schache. Who knows what for GAJ.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Give the drug cheats a gun player cheaply. Then... Give the salary cap cheats a helping hand so they can bring in more talent. All for pick 16. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be a solid citizen.

Replace Essendon with Carlton and I could somewhat 'accept' it - as a side like Carlton won't be challenging anytime soon.

But handing Essendon Stringer on a platter for x2 woeful picks, strengthening one of the opposition clubs who will be pushing for a Top 4 spot like us? It doesn't make sense to me. You don't give up quality to make your direct opposition stronger without getting something good in return.

Even if it turns out we get Pick 16, that's still ordinary.

[Ozza]

Gibbs for 10 and 16, Motlop for 19. What a strange trade period.

If I was as close to a premiership as the Crows are - I'd be satisfied with Gibbs for 10 and 16.
Draft picks are overrated in comparison to gun players.

Works for both parties, 10 & 16 are worth more to a club like Carlton with their list profile. Gibbs will still be a gun mid for 2-3 years - and then you move him to half back for his last couple, setting up the play.

[1eyedog]

It's funny but it could be that the trade we didn't see coming last week; Gibbs to Adelaide, may be the catalyst for the domino effect. Picks to Carlton and Stringer gets done and when the Crows get Gibbs they are more likely to release Cameron and likewise Carlton to give a bit of ground on Kennedy.

[Mofra]

They can't as they already traded away their 2018 second round pick.
They have GWS' second round pick from the Smith deal.

If we trade them a 3rd round 2018 pick (they don't currently have one) they can trade their 2018 first.

[1eyedog]

Gibbs for 10 and 16, Motlop for 19. What a strange trade period.

Don't forget pick 2 for Weller lol.

[Twodogs]

Give the drug cheats a gun player cheaply. Then... Give the salary cap cheats a helping hand so they can bring in more talent. All for pick 16. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be a solid citizen.

It seldom ever pays to be a solid citizen but you have to live with yourself.


Don't forget pick 2 for Weller lol.

I had a GF who used to say "My darling. I have a list in my head of the things that are going happen and a list of the things that aren't going to happen. That ain't/is going to happen" it's funny but she was always right.

[Remi Moses]

The more I think of it , the more we should have let Crameri get to the pre-season draft a few years ago .

[Sedat]

Could Carlton do a draft pick trade to get Kennedy & Lang.

Start: Gibbs for 10 & 16
Dogs: Trade Stringer for 25 & 30
Then: 16 to Dogs for 25 (Kennedy) & 28 (Lang)

Dogs: 16 for Stringer
Blues: 10, Kennedy & Lang for Gibbs

Our Picks: 9, 16 & 30
Mail I just got from my Carlton mate is the Gibbs deal will be for 2017 and 2018 1st rounders with some later pick exchanges and that Matt Kennedy is part of the deal as well.

[Axe Man]

Mail I just got from my Carlton mate is the Gibbs deal will be for 2017 and 2018 1st rounders with some later pick exchanges and that Matt Kennedy is part of the deal as well.

Your mate must just read Jon Ralph's twitter.

Apparently the deal isn't over the line yet though.


GIBBS LATEST

A misunderstanding between Carlton and Adelaide could scupper the deal for Bryce Gibbs.

The Herald Sun understands a swap of picks is now a stumbling block for the deal that looked done on Wednesday afternoon.

The Blues and Crows have until 2pm Thursday to sort out the deal or Gibbs remains a Blue in 2018.

[Mitcha]

Still baffles me why we are upgrading Smith.

We love to hand out list spots.
I don't believe anyone from the club has actually stated that Smith will be upgraded?
The club has said they will look after Rourke as best they can but from where I sit that means he will be delisted and re-rookied.

[bulldogtragic]

I wonder if Jake is betting that's he's coming back to WO about now?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I wonder if Jake is betting that's he's coming back to WO about now?

Considering he's blown most of his money I'd say he's bet the opposite.

[Sedat]

Your mate must just read Jon Ralph's twitter.

Apparently the deal isn't over the line yet though.
My mate beat Ralph to the punch ;)

Sounds like GWS is the stumbling block

[Dry Rot]

I wonder when Connors began to think about how much the Bombers really want Stringer? After they traded pick #11?

If they don't get him now, they wont get him next year.

After their latest shitty offer, the Bombers have sat back and done nothing, while we have been crazy guys trying to cook up all sorts of deals with other clubs.

I wonder if suddenly mid morning tomorrow the Bombers will realise hang on, we might now not get him after all and change their offer?

[Sedat]

I wonder if Jake is betting that's he's coming back to WO about now?
Would be a great result for this trade period and especially for the future.

[bulldogtragic]

Would be a great result for this trade period and especially for the future.

Suckling & JJ to console him...

[Sedat]

Suckling & JJ to console him...

And some strippers :D

[Rocket Science]

I wonder if Jake is betting that's he's coming back to WO about now?

Unpalatable as it may be for all concerned, I maintain this is the best possible outcome at this stage.

Flick him for comparative scraps, lose significant respect in the process and improve a competitor?

Or hold our ground and commit to the hard yards needed to own our respective errors, mend bridges and maximise our investment in a rare talent.

If we're good enough to pull off the latter, now there's a tale, and Dodoro becomes a punchline in the process.

[GVGjr]

why don't we just bloody well take the picks and go to the draft for freaks sake. Think we are trying to be too clever. Why shoot ourselves in the foot twice by overpaying west coast?

I don't think we have got space on the list for 4 draftees and a rookie list upgrade.

Thats the only reason why we are trying to bundle up for something early.

[comrade]

Suckling & JJ to console him...

I'd be ok if Jake stayed over there. Suckling can keep him company :D

[Webby]

When all of the dust settles on this and the possibility of Jake leaving is gone, all of the hysteria will die down and we'll simply have Jake Stringer on our list - as has been the case for the past five years...

The frantic hype is created by Jake's manager, Essendon FC, the media (Who need column inches and air time). Additionally, the Essendon FC affiliated media...

When it all boils down, the message to Jake is that Essendon didn't think you were worth more than a couple of shit picks. In fact, the whole competition didn't think you were worth any better than that. This is because your attitude stinks. So perhaps your coach is right and you should knuckle down and apply yourself better??!!

Wasn't that the strategy in the first place? To see if we could get anything worthwhile for him & if not, he'll hopefully get a few home truths and straighten up?! The only way you stuff that up is by weakening and caving in to the external noise.

[Sedat]

9, 11 and Roarke Smith upgraded
9, Stringer and 26

I'll lock in 'B' thanks Eddie

[Twodogs]

I wonder when Connors began to think about how much the Bombers really want Stringer? After they traded pick #11?

If they don't get him now, they wont get him next year.

After their latest shitty offer, the Bombers have sat back and done nothing, while we have been crazy guys trying to cook up all sorts of deals with other clubs.

I wonder if suddenly mid morning tomorrow the Bombers will realise hang on, we might now not get him after all and change their offer?

At some stage Jake will realise that Essndon gave shown nothing but contempt for him. What we said may have been harsh but it was honest. Jake hasn't even signed with Essendon yet and they are already ducking him around.

I can't believe his shonk of a manager hasn't seen Essendon for what they are. His head must be so far up Essendon's arse his voice would squeek.


Would be a great result for this trade period and especially for the future.

And for Jake.


Unpalatable as it may be for all concerned, I maintain this is the best possible outcome at this stage.

Flick him for comparative scraps, lose significant respect in the process and improve a competitor?

Or hold our ground and commit to the hard yards needed to own our respective errors, mend bridges and maximise our investment in a rare talent.

If we're good enough to pull off the latter, now there's a tale, and Dodoro becomes a punchline in the process.

We have to hold firm now. Unless Jake has really, really shat the nest, we have to believe any problems can be over come.

[Topdog]

Thank goodness we have only about 6 hours of negotiations left.

I've set up a meeting with myself at work for 1-2.

[angelopetraglia]

The one sided coverage of the Stringer deal is sickening. Listening to biased commentators like Scott Lucas and Lloyd say that we need to accept what we can get and just do the deal. Everyone saying that they have traded fairly and we have lost the plot.

Cede to no one. If the club folds on this deal I will be so upset. He can sit a year out for all I’m concerned.

[comrade]

I've found the response from Connors and the Stringer camp absolutely laughable.

Connors stated something along the lines of 'why would Jake go back to a club that says he is uncoachable'...why not look at the reasons why your client has been told this and look to rectify the situation rather than stick your head in the sand while you try to cash in on another contract pay day.

He also stated 'the Bulldogs don't want him' yet Essendon are offering up a shit sandwich of a deal and aren't exactly bending over backwards to prove that they want him either.

It's clear Connors and Dodoro have conjured up this mess and have probably been talking for months. Connors has poisoned the Stringer well and convinced him to move on, and has called in favours from all his contacts in the media to absolutely bury us. (watch how much access the media now get to the players Connors manages).

It's been a filthy campaign, with dirty tricks that'd make Donald Trump blush. And we made it worse with Bevo's brutally honest interview prior to trade week. He loaded Connors and Dodoro's gun and they've been using us as target practice ever since.

My guess is we'll buckle late tomorrow and take whatever we can to get him off the books. The fact we've been frantically trying to do a deal with West Coast - a job Essendon should be doing - is proof we're desperate to be free and clear of Stringer while maintaining some dignity. Tomorrow, dignity will be cast aside just to **** him off.

It's a sad state of affairs but I am certain that Stringer will never change and his career will be curtailed by his outrageous ego that's been cultivated by his family and now management. He will implode like Fev within the next few years. I will enjoy watching it.

[ratsmac]

2:01pm tomorrow Jake gets a text message expecting to see a text from John Worsfold saying welcome to the Bombers. Instead it's Bevo saying preseason starts November 1, bring your mouth guard.

[Remi Moses]

We have to blink,cos Lloyd says so :rolleyes:

[comrade]

I've found the response from Connors and the Stringer camp absolutely laughable.

Connors stated something along the lines of 'why would Jake go back to a club that says he is uncoachable'...why not look at the reasons why your client has been told this and look to rectify the situation rather than stick your head in the sand while you try to cash in on another contract pay day.

He also stated 'the Bulldogs don't want him' yet Essendon are offering up a shit sandwich of a deal and aren't exactly bending over backwards to prove that they want him either.

It's clear Connors and Dodoro have conjured up this mess and have probably been talking for months. Connors has poisoned the Stringer well and convinced him to move on, and has called in favours from all his contacts in the media to absolutely bury us. (watch how much access the media now get to the players Connors manages).

It's been a filthy campaign, with dirty tricks that'd make Donald Trump blush. And we made it worse with Bevo's brutally honest interview prior to trade week. He loaded Connors and Dodoro's gun and they've been using us as target practice ever since.

My guess is we'll buckle late tomorrow and take whatever we can to get him off the books. The fact we've been frantically trying to do a deal with West Coast - a job Essendon should be doing - is proof we're desperate to be free and clear of Stringer while maintaining some dignity. Tomorrow, dignity will be cast aside just to **** him off.

It's a sad state of affairs but I am certain that Stringer will never change and his career will be curtailed by his outrageous ego that's been cultivated by his family and now management. He will implode like Fev within the next few years. I will enjoy watching it.

In hindsight, that initial live interview on Trade Radio with Stringer, Connors......and Dodoro (ha!) on stage (before Essendon was revealed to be his destination) is just further proof that this has been in the works for months. They spoke about being 'blindsided' to continue the narrative of the Bulldogs tossing away poor Jake for no real good reason, but they didn't bank on his ex going public with his laundry list of bad behaviour, which made their claims look ridiculous.

A stronger footy media would have asked more questions and pulled at the threads a little more, yet our footy media is well...****house.

[Dry Rot]

In hindsight, that initial live interview on Trade Radio with Stringer, Connors......and Dodoro (ha!) on stage (before Essendon was revealed to be his destination) is just further proof that this has been in the works for months. They spoke about being 'blindsided' to continue the narrative of the Bulldogs tossing away poor Jake for no real good reason, but they didn't bank on his ex going public with his laundry list of bad behaviour, which made their claims look ridiculous.

A stronger footy media would have asked more questions and pulled at the threads a little more, yet our footy media is well...****house.

So you are saying that, regardless of what we have said or done (and even if we had said done nothing), that the fix was in for Stringer walking at the end of the season?

He did look pretty shell shocked at that first presser.

[FrediKanoute]

Nothing is irretrievable. Players a shopped around and then retained all the time. Talk that there is an irreparable breakdown between the club and Stringer is just that talk. Yes things aren't great, but he is not seriously going to consider sitting out of football for a year - just ask Stewie Crameri how well that worked out! Fact is he wants to be in the best possible position at the end of 2018 so he can negotiate the key deal of his AFL career - aged 24 he would be looking for a 3 to 5 year deal paying around £1m p/a - maybe we can't match that, but at the moment not playing next year and then going to Essendon for peanuts is the dumbest decision he will make.

[comrade]

So you are saying that, regardless of what we have said or done (and even if we had said done nothing), that the fix was in for Stringer walking at the end of the season?

He did look pretty shell shocked at that first presser.

I'm more and more convinced this is the case.

Everything about it stinks. Everything is so orchestrated. Apparently the whisper going around now is that Connors will take it to a grievance tribunal to force Stringer's delisting if we don't agree to a trade. When has a manager ever been so hell bent on voiding a player's current contract?

[GVGjr]

We need to hold firm here. As much as I'd be happy to lose him even for picks 25 and 30 we should run the gauntlet and risk it all demanding an improved offer from Essendon or sparking his manager to sign off on another deal.

My gut feel is that we will be better for having him out of the club but stuff it we shouldn't just hand him over to Essendon unless they are willing to offer some additional value.

Stand firm Dogs.

[Dry Rot]

I'm more and more convinced this is the case.

Everything about it stinks. Everything is so orchestrated. Apparently the whisper going around now is that Connors will take it to a grievance tribunal to force Stringer's delisting if we don't agree to a trade.

What would be the grounds?

That we let clubs know that a contracted player may be traded if a suitable trade was found?

According to Jake, his exit interview was pleasant enough. What would be the alleged grievances?

Connors should get some very, very good advice. Hey, I'll even give him some:

Go to a tribunal like that, son, and the evidence that will have to come out on our side will end your player's career. Indeed, your player may be facing some nasty conditions and sanctions from the tribunal too if he stays with us.

[jeemak]

What would be the grounds?

That we let clubs know that a contracted player may be traded if a suitable trade was found?

According to Jake, his exit interview was pleasant enough. What would be the alleged grievances?

Connors should get some very, very good advice. Hey, I'll even give him some:

Go to a tribunal like that, son, and the evidence that will have to come out on our side will end your player's career. Indeed, your player may be facing some nasty conditions and sanctions from the tribunal too if he stays with us.


Correct. In those tribunals they actually review evidence in an objective manner and not to suit a contrived AFL and closed media narrative.

I'm a comrade of comrade on this one.

[mjp]

I'm more and more convinced this is the case.



Same. I see it as a salary play by Stringer's camp, more and more and more. He wants Essendon for the contract...contracts take TIME to put together and reach agreement on...

[ratsmac]

I'm more and more convinced this is the case.

Everything about it stinks. Everything is so orchestrated. Apparently the whisper going around now is that Connors will take it to a grievance tribunal to force Stringer's delisting if we don't agree to a trade. When has a manager ever been so hell bent on voiding a player's current contract?

Conspiracy theory: we caught wind of this well before his exit interview and decided to play along only to string (pardon the pun) the Bombers and Stringer along with zero intention of getting Stringer to the Bombers.

[Rocket Science]

So this is purely one big contrivance about Connors & Stringer cashing in?

Perhaps they feared his indifferent form and behavioural issues would've impacted that with his current employer come renewal time?

[comrade]

Same. I see it as a salary play by Stringer's camp, more and more and more. He wants Essendon for the contract...contracts take TIME to put together and reach agreement on...

Yeah. The timing is all off.

It's definitely not something that has been orchestrated over a few weeks.

[comrade]

Conspiracy theory: we caught wind of this well before his exit interview and decided to play along only to string (pardon the pun) the Bombers and Stringer along with zero intention of getting Stringer to the Bombers.

I'd like to think we were two steps ahead of the game but our willingness to broker a deal with West Coast to get this done suggests otherwise.

My hope is that we've realised this has been a dirty manipulation by Connors/Essendon/the Stringer camp and we hold firm to ensure they don't get what they want.

[FrediKanoute]

What is the rumoured deal that Jake gets for signing with Essendon?

[comrade]

One final piece of the puzzle.

Bevo's pre-trade period interview. It's been used as ammunition by Connors and the media as proof we don't want Stringer and should therefore relinquish our rights to his contract for peanuts.

But think back to the context of that interview, Why did he do it? Because he was responding to rumours of the confrontation with Jake at his exit interview and that we'd informed Jake we were putting him on the trade table. The rumours were rampant and everywhere.

But ask yourself: who leaked those rumours in the first place? Who had anything to gain by it?

Paul ****ing Connors.

[The Adelaide Connection]

I'd like to think we were two steps ahead of the game but our willingness to broker a deal with West Coast to get this done suggests otherwise.

My hope is that we've realised this has been a dirty manipulation by Connors/Essendon/the Stringer camp and we hold firm to ensure they don't get what they want.

Serious question: How do we know the alleged West Coast brokering is even real (or the details published accurate)?

There seems to be so much random journo guess work and theorizing that I am not sure even half of what is published is in any way accurate. For all of the reports that have come out that have proved to be correct, their must be 20 that are way off the mark. Some rumours even seem to be pushed with an agenda (such as those from the Bomber cheersquad Journo's who have been making an awful lot of noise).

We have been extremely quiet and seemingly unwilling to show our hand so what convices people that these reports are accurate? Some of the reported West Coast proposals (supposedly instigated by us because Essendon bullied us into finding our own deal) were ludicrous.

Roll on 2pm. I am now firmly in the Carlton or bust camp and admittedly without knowing the full destructive potential of this bloke in our four walls, my reasons are:
1, If he has been a crap bloke at the club (and supported in his endeavours) this whole experience will surely simmer that right down.
2, Even a sulking Stringer can't go too far backwards on his 2017.
3, Surely improving our terrible ball use into the forwardline and our dysfunctional forward setup will be a priority and I back our coaches to improve from what really was rock bottom at times. This will obviously have a net positive impact on Stringer's output.
4, Even with another average year there is no way his value will be LESS than two picks in the 20's and two picks in the 20's next year will be more valuable (due to the supposed 'super draft'). If he gets back to the form of 2015/early 2016 and wants to go we could command two first rounders.
5, If we fold what is the damage we do to our future trading? Dodoro seems to get what he wants because he has a reputation as a stubborn prick, everyone knows it, and nobody can seemingly be arsed fighting it. You would think people would refuse to deal with him but hate him as we do, so far he has delivered two huge wins with seemingly little resistance from two other clubs. We refused to be bullied and we stood up to him and he mocked us and backed us into a corner (even doing the Saad trade for a future second rounder rather than a 2017 to block us from pushing for their 2018 first rounder). He called our bluff and expects to win and the whole football world is watching. On top of this Connor's has created a circus and been threatening/blackmailing us into taking a shit deal ("oh, I won't look after them anymore if they don't do the deal"). We CAN'T fold now.

[GVGjr]

What is the rumoured deal that Jake gets for signing with Essendon?

3 years at 600K

[Dry Rot]

3 years at 600K

Ok, say you are JMac and all.

Would you take the shitty Bombers offer tomorrow or would bluff them and say its your 2018 first rounder or Stringer stays, and hold to that?

[bornadog]

Ok, say you are JMac and all.

Would you take the shitty Bombers offer tomorrow or would bluff them and say its your 2018 first rounder or Stringer stays, and hold to that?

I would bluff them and ask for the two second round picks from this year, plus round 1 next - take it or leave it.

As for the bullshit on mediation etc, sorry Stringer you have a contract.

EDIT - just saw this in The Age:


Essendon have picks 25 and 30 and are not only unwilling but are unable under AFL rules to offer a future pick for Stringer as they have already traded out a future second round pick to Gold Coast's Adam Saad.

[Twodogs]

Ok, say you are JMac and all.

Would you take the shitty Bombers offer tomorrow or would bluff them and say its your 2018 first rounder or Stringer stays, and hold to that?

I would and I wouldn't be bluffing. My poker face would be a clown mask. I'd be more than happy to walk away and leave them with nothing. Nada. Nix.

Then again I would have walked away at the first sign of any games from Essendon. The pick 11 thing would have been a deal breaker and they can explain that to their fans.

[GVGjr]

Ok, say you are JMac and all.

Would you take the shitty Bombers offer tomorrow or would bluff them and say its your 2018 first rounder or Stringer stays, and hold to that?

I'm happy to go down either road.

My gut feel is now that we should cut our losses and get right of him for picks 25 and 30 but I'd also like to say no and force the hand of Paul Connors to go to plan B or C and that is to deal with another club like Geelong or Carlton. This would also be the long overdue punch in the kidney's that Essendon and Dodoro is owed.

Stand firm Dogs. I know you are desperately wanting to salvage something and in the process rid the club of Stringer but I won't think any less of you if we stand firm unless a better offer comes.

[GVGjr]

I would bluff them and ask for the two second round picks from this year, plus round 1 next - take it or leave it.

As for the bullshit on mediation etc, sorry Stringer you have a contract.

EDIT - just saw this in The Age:



Essendon have picks 25 and 30 and are not only unwilling but are unable under AFL rules to offer a future pick for Stringer as they have already traded out a future second round pick to Gold Coast's Adam Saad.

I would challenge that with vigor. Essendon have traded away an extra future 2nd round to what they already had. They still have both a 1st and 2nd round pick next year and this should not stop them for losing another pick.

[comrade]

I would challenge that with vigor. Essendon have traded away an extra future 2nd round to what they already had. They still have both a 1st and 2nd round pick next year and this should not stop them for losing another pick.

Geelong have traded multiple future picks over the past few years, haven't they?

[comrade]

I would challenge that with vigor. Essendon have traded away an extra future 2nd round to what they already had. They still have both a 1st and 2nd round pick next year and this should not stop them for losing another pick.

Seems like another journo pushing Connors' preferred narrative.

[Hotdog60]

The latest quote on the AFL site:
Stringer's VFL vow

Wantaway Bulldogs premiership player Jake Stringer would be prepared to spend next season playing for the Dogs' VFL team if the club refuses to trade him, according to News Corp.

Talks between the Bulldogs and Stringer's preferred destination Essendon have stalled, with West Coast refusing to agree to a side deal with the Dogs.

The Bombers' final offer is picks No.25 and No.30, which the Bulldogs had hoped the Eagles would agree to take in exchange for their pick No.13, but the Eagles haven't yet come to the party.

The disillusioned Stringer, who was put up for trade and was publicly criticised by the Dogs for his unprofessional approach, doesn't want to return to Whitten Oval.

Regardless of whether Stringer gets to Essendon, former Bombers chairman Paul Little believes the recruitment of ex-Giant Devon Smith and former Sun Adam Saad would help take the club to the "next level".

"We have now, I think, a record membership and what appears to be a real shift in these potentially really key players wanting to be a part of the Essendon story," Little told News Limited.

"I think Essendon supporters and members are justified in feeling excited and are enjoying the euphoria of what has been a really good year on and off the field."

[bornadog]

play VFL and earn VFL money

[GVGjr]

Seems like another journo pushing Connors' preferred narrative.

Yep, it's convenient. I'm confident the AFL would allow it if it meant the deal went through.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Hindsight is wonderful, but given the options that have actually been available to us for Stringer, which would you be most happy with and why?

1. Picks 9 and 11
2. Picks 9, 25, 28 and 30
3. Picks 9, 28 and Stringer?

I'm no list management guru so can someone explain to me the repercussions of having 3 second rounders on our list in terms of list spots? Would pick 30 be wasted?

[bulldogtragic]

Lloyd starts the day with Western Bulldogs will buckle today.

*!*!*!*! off idiot.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

It might be seen as cutting off our nose to spite our face..but short of a good deal emerging today I really hope we hold firm and send a broader mesage to clubs that we're no longer the 'easy pushover in trade week'
I think making that statement has more long term value than the prospect of losing Jake for nothing come end of 2018.

[Rocket Science]

Lloyd starts the day with Western Bulldogs will buckle today.

*!*!*!*! off idiot.

The slack jawed dolt apparently gets final sign-off on any Stringer deal as he exclaims Stringer to Carlton "Too late! Not gonna happen!".

[G-Mo77]

Hindsight is wonderful, but given the options that have actually been available to us for Stringer, which would you be most happy with and why?

1. Picks 9 and 11
2. Picks 9, 25, 28 and 30
3. Picks 9, 28 and Stringer?

I'm no list management guru so can someone explain to me the repercussions of having 3 second rounders on our list in terms of list spots? Would pick 30 be wasted?

We're quite possibly only taking 2 live picks with Smith a rookie upgrade so those 2 rounders are pretty much worthless. That is assuming we don't trim anymore or trade anyone other than Stringer.

Option 3 for me. Sure pick 9 and 11 is nice but I'd rather keep him and take 9 and 28.

[LostDoggy]

In a simpler world, the 4 clubs with quality players wanting to move on would say to hell with all the picks and ministrations, lets just progress forward; Stringer to Carlton, Gibbs to Adelaide, Cameron to Brisbane and Scache to Bulldogs. We all gain a quality/highly promising player who gets to where they want to be and lose a potentially troublesome individual. Win/win/win/win and we all just get on with it.

[Twodogs]

In a simpler world, the 4 clubs with quality players wanting to move on would say to hell with all the picks and ministrations, lets just progress forward; Stringer to Carlton, Gibbs to Adelaide, Cameron to Brisbane and Scache to Bulldogs. We all gain a quality/highly promising player who gets to where they want to be and lose a potentially troublesome individual. Win/win/win/win and we all just get on with it.

I was talking to GVR during the last trade period and made the point to him that the idea of trade week isn't to "win" trades at all. The idea is to imporove your list and their is nothing stopping either us or Essendon or Carlton doing just that without worrying about later pick swaps and making sure that every child leaves with a prize and all the other rubbish that has been spoken.

Sometimes footy clubs can be a little too competitive for their own good.

[ledge]

I was talking to GVR during the last trade period and made the point to him that the idea of trade week isn't to "win" trades at all. The idea is to imporove your list and their is nothing stopping either us or Essendon or Carlton doing just that without worrying about later pick swaps and all the other rubbish that has been spoken.

Sometimes footy clubs can be a little too competitive for their own good.

Begs the question does recruiting Stringer with his issues improve a list ?
Only time will tell, but they have a lot to fix from the minute he walks in the door.

[Twodogs]

Begs the question does recruiting Stringer with his issues improve a list ?
Only time will tell, but they have a lot to fix from the minute he walks in the door.

That's the big question isn't it? Do Stringer's issues outweigh his undoubted football talent and will that talent make up for the disciplinary issues that will inevitably come with him.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

After 2pm, I'd like to see us come out and fire a few shots at Essendon and the absolutely pathetic media shitstorm of the past few weeks.

[1eyedog]

Wells hinted that Geelong aren't out of the Stringer race.

[bulldogtragic]

Wells hinted that Geelong aren't out of the Stringer race.

19 & 22.

Yes please.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

19 & 22.

Yes please.

Could Carlton be involved here. Doesnt Lang want to get to Carlton?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

19 & 22.

Yes please.

I can't stand Geelong, but at this point, it's anyone but Essendon.

[Ozza]

Suggestion has been that

Stringer to Essendon
16 to dogs
25 and 30 are used by Carlton to get Kennedy (GWS) and Lang (Cats).

[1eyedog]

Could Carlton be involved here. Doesnt Lang want to get to Carlton?

He does and Geelong are waiting on that before pulling the Stringer trigger.

Ablett and Stringer in the forward pocket would just about win them a flag.

[kruder]

Surely we go to Carlton and offer pick 25 and 30 for 16 which enables them to get kennedy and keep their future round second pick in a stronger draft. Then potentially offer the lions 16 for Schache.

[Bulldog Revolution]

We would likely have to pay some of Stringers salary as I doubt the Cats will want to pay him 600 over 3 years

[bulldogtragic]

Surely we go to Carlton and offer pick 25 and 30 for 16 which enables them to get kennedy and keep their future round second pick in a stronger draft. Then potentially offer the lions 16 for Schache.

It's this, or Geelong might be sniffing around. Their 19 & 21 would be great.

[Rocket Science]

Dodo suddenly making slightly less recalcitrant noises ...

Cave in you pricks.

[kruder]

It's this, or Geelong might be sniffing around. Their 19 & 21 would be great.

Stringer won't be at the dogs next year there are plenty of options will get done for sure.

[Sedat]

More mail from my Carlton mate. Stringer to the Blues straight swap for pick 16 now on the cards - waiting on approval from Stringer before proceeding.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

More mail from my Carlton mate. Stringer to the Blues straight swap for pick 16 now on the cards - waiting on approval from Stringer before proceeding.

That would be absolutely amazing.

[Mantis]

More mail from my Carlton mate. Stringer to the Blues straight swap for pick 16 now on the cards - waiting on approval from Stringer before proceeding.

Would think we would be pushing for pick 10 wouldn't we?

[1eyedog]

More mail from my Carlton mate. Stringer to the Blues straight swap for pick 16 now on the cards - waiting on approval from Stringer before proceeding.

Were just waiting on the Gibbs deal. Smart by SOS offload a 29 year old and then bring in a 23 year old match winner using the lesser of the first rounders. Carlton are doing it the right way.

[Sedat]

That would be absolutely amazing.
Bolton understandably was reluctant to trade Gibbs when they missed out on Rockliff as it will be his arse on the chopping block if they have another poor season. Maybe he sees Stringer as an injection of quality that he now needs?

[Rocket Science]

More mail from my Carlton mate. Stringer to the Blues straight swap for pick 16 now on the cards - waiting on approval from Stringer before proceeding.

Hai Lloydy

[Webby]

I sincerely hope we're done with Dodoro and the ultimatum on Jake is:

1. Go to Carlton, or;
2. Stay with us

There is no option three. Take it or leave it. Surely someone as hard done by as you, Connors and the media mafia claim would take any Melbourne club offer to get away from those nasty, dastardly Bulldogs.... Or perhaps it's all just BS..?!

Bolton is building Carlton, but he knows he's going to need wins next year. A 23yo All Australian with big upside would be a great fit for him. Particularly with a big body and some flexibility between mid and forward.

[Twodogs]

After 2pm, I'd like to see us come out and fire a few shots at Essendon and the absolutely pathetic media shitstorm of the past few weeks.

I hope we have a Presser due for 2.15. Jmac and Bevo sit in front of the reporters and say "boy have we got a story for you guys" have you all got your pencils sharpened and you're ready to go? OK at 10:23 am On 7 October we made our first offer to Essendon. That offer was...


Dodo suddenly making slightly less recalcitrant noises ...

Cave in you pricks.


More mail from my Carlton mate. Stringer to the Blues straight swap for pick 16 now on the cards - waiting on approval from Stringer before proceeding.


Those two posts certainly seem to go together.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Bolton understandably was reluctant to trade Gibbs when they missed out on Rockliff as it will be his arse on the chopping block if they have another poor season. Maybe he sees Stringer as an injection of quality that he now needs?

Yeah, it makes sense for Carlton.

Curnow + Stringer is a potentially great combination for 8-10 years and they have some other pillars too (Levi, McKay).

A work colleague of mine is a big Carlton fan and he's been saying all week he wants them to move for Jake.

[Twodogs]

Would think we would be pushing for pick 10 wouldn't we?

We can ask but I know what the answer would be. And they know we are in Anywhere but Essendon territory with Jake now so won't hold out for 10.

[jazzadogs]

Could then look at a deal with Brisbane like 16 + 28 for Schache + 20. Even more likely with the Lions if we get 10 off the Blues.

Come on Blues, get involved.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Stringer deal about to go down

[1eyedog]

To where?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

To where?

I'd say essendon.

Stringers managers, essendons media team all arrived at etihad. I'd say something is about to happen.

[bulldogtragic]

Stringer deal about to go down

With Essendon....

Feel sick.

[jazzadogs]

To where?

The report is just that the Bombers team, Bulldogs team, Stringer's agent and the Bombers media team are all there.

[bulldogtragic]

We didn't even get to 2,000 posts before it went down.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

A Schache deal looking unlikely according to his manager?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

We didn't even get to 2,000 posts before it went down.

We're nearly there aren't we?

[bulldogtragic]

We're nearly there aren't we?

Close, but not quite...

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Close, but not quite...

Thought so. I believe there is still time though. Correct me if i'm wrong

[jazzadogs]

Suggestions that Crows might take 18 for Cameron, which could then be on-traded to Essendon for Aaron Francis. I hope we hold out and get that plus 30 for Stringer. They can keep 25.

[Grantysghost]

Hope we haven't caved and there's more substance to the deal. Carlton in a three way deal hopefully. This is shizen!

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Suggestions that Crows might take 18 for Cameron, which could then be on-traded to Essendon for Aaron Francis. I hope we hold out and get that plus 30 for Stringer. They can keep 25.

Adelaide are going all in for the now aren't they? Three first rounders gone on Gibbs and Francis? Wow

[bulldogsthru&thru]

As usual everything happens on the last day

[Rocket Science]

Part of me wants to see Stringer stick to his word, or rather Connors' word, and lace them up all year in the twos.

If he can't motivate himself to prepare properly for the ones, I'm *sure* he'd *really* apply himself in the magoos.