Stringer Trade Worth

[bulldogtragic]

ROUND ONE - Possible

CARL 3. Carlton
NMFC 4. North Melbourne
COLL 6. Collingwood
STK 7. St Kilda (received from Hawthorn)
STK 8. St Kilda
WB 9. Western Bulldogs
MELB 10. Melbourne
ESS 11. Essendon
RICH 15. Richmond (received from Geelong, via Carlton and GWS on-trades)
RICH 16. Richmond

So, Stringer has apparently said Essendon (pick 11) or Geelong (nothing, how do they even get mentioned honestly). But that means little. I doubt he will leave his kids so the above are the Vic Clubs that need to explore recruiting him. Options include:

Carlton & North upgrading first and second rounders. I just don't see top 5 now.
Would Collingwood go for a marque player to remain relevant at 6?
Would St Kilda offer pick 8?
I don't see Melbourne having the salary cap.
Or would Richmond offer up 15 & 16 and a player (to ease their cap) with us sending them picks 26 & 39 and other points we can get so they can get their F/S?


Then the next question is hit the draft, or trade?

[ledge]

I rekon we go pick 9 :-)

[comrade]

I'd be squarely focused on North's pick 4 as our number 1 priority. They have the cap, are seemingly desperate for a big name trade and Scott will want to rise back up the ladder.

That would leave us with pick 4 & 9. I'd use 4 on the best kid available (turned out ok last time) and use 9 to bring in a gun established forward. Don't know who, but I'd be throwing big money at someone to shake them loose.

[Dry Rot]

Pies won't be interested in Stringer now.

[GVGjr]

BT, thanks for the thread, I'd try to get involved with a Gibbs and Lever potential trade with Adelaide, Carlton and Melbourne.
A top 12 pick this year or a top 10 next year is where I would be leaning towards given the early stages we are in.

I think the Saints and North are desperate for a big name and this opens the door for us to get creative.
Don't discount Richmond wanting to have the points for Naish either which might give us some more options

[bulldogtragic]

I'd be squarely focused on North's pick 4 as our number 1 priority. They have the cap, are seemingly desperate for a big name trade and Scott will want to rise back up the ladder.

That would leave us with pick 4 & 9. I'd use 4 on the best kid available (turned out ok last time) and use 9 to bring in a gun established forward. Don't know who, but I'd be throwing big money at someone to shake them loose.

Do you think North are that desperate to cough up 4 without wanting 9 back? I know they're desperate, but that's desperate.

[bulldogtragic]

BT, thanks for the thread, I'd try to get involved with a Gibbs and Lever potential trade with Adelaide, Carlton and Melbourne.
A top 12 pick this year or a top 10 next year is where I would be leaning towards given the early stages we are in.

I think the Saints and North are desperate for a big name and this opens the door for us to get creative.
Don't discount Richmond wanting to have the points for Naish either which might give us some more options

Is Lever one too many tall defenders for us, especially with Trengove close?

[Dry Rot]

I'd be squarely focused on North's pick 4 as our number 1 priority. They have the cap, are seemingly desperate for a big name trade and Scott will want to rise back up the ladder.

That would leave us with pick 4 & 9. I'd use 4 on the best kid available (turned out ok last time) and use 9 to bring in a gun established forward. Don't know who, but I'd be throwing big money at someone to shake them loose.

I'd be trying to get a good first round 2018 pick for Stringer and trying our trade our #1 pick this year for one next year too.

[comrade]

Do you think North are that desperate to cough up 4 without wanting 9 back? I know they're desperate, but that's desperate.

I wouldn't be touching that deal if it involved a measly 5 pick upgrade though it does smell like a JMac deal. They can have our second.

[GVGjr]

Do you think North are that desperate to cough up 4 without wanting 9 back? I know they're desperate, but that's desperate.

A deal with North wouldn't likely be straight up, a 3rd club could be involved.

Without a lot of thought, how does Bulldogs trading picks 9 and 26 for picks 15 and 16 from Richmond go? The index points match up OK. Tigers get their father son and have a mid 2nd rounder for a needs based player.

We trade Stringer and our newly acquired pick 16 to North for their picks 4 and 21.
We move up 5 picks from our original first selection, 11 picks from our original 2nd selection and still have an early 2nd rounder.
North have a big name (much needed) and still have a first round pick.

We have picks 4, 15 and 21 plus 39. Say hello to Stephenson, L.Fogarty and Clavarino
We then chase Tom Rockcliff hard.

[Bulldog4life]

BT, thanks for the thread, I'd try to get involved with a Gibbs and Lever potential trade with Adelaide, Carlton and Melbourne.
A top 12 pick this year or a top 10 next year is where I would be leaning towards given the early stages we are in.

I think the Saints and North are desperate for a big name and this opens the door for us to get creative.
Don't discount Richmond wanting to have the points for Naish either which might give us some more options

According to Fox Sports next years draft is close to a super draft. A lot of high end talent.

[comrade]

A deal with North wouldn't likely be straight up, a 3rd club could be involved.

Without a lot of thought, how does Bulldogs trading picks 9 and 26 for picks 15 and 16 from Richmond go? The index points match up OK. Tigers get their father son and have a mid 2nd rounder for a needs based player.

We trade Stringer and our newly acquired pick 16 to North for their picks 4 and 21.
We move up 5 picks from our original first selection, 11 picks from our original 2nd selection and still have an early 2nd rounder.
North have a big name (much needed) and still have a first round pick.

We have picks 4, 15 and 21 plus 39. Say hello to Stephenson, L.Fogarty and Clavarino
We then chase Tom Rockcliff hard.

Yes, that would be freaking perfect.

[bulldogtragic]

According to Fox Sports next years draft is close to a super draft. A lot of high end talent.

Just the year to have Rhylee West in there, and who knows if Khamis makes it too.

[bulldogtragic]

A deal with North wouldn't likely be straight up, a 3rd club could be involved.

Without a lot of thought, how does Bulldogs trading picks 9 and 26 for picks 15 and 16 from Richmond go? The index points match up OK. Tigers get their father son and have a mid 2nd rounder for a needs based player.

We trade Stringer and our newly acquired pick 16 to North for their picks 4 and 21.
We move up 5 picks from our original first selection, 11 picks from our original 2nd selection and still have an early 2nd rounder.
North have a big name (much needed) and still have a first round pick.

We have picks 4, 15 and 21 plus 39. Say hello to Stephenson, L.Fogarty and Clavarino
We then chase Tom Rockcliff hard.

Sounds good to me. All teams can claim victory, and members happy enough.

Trengove & Rockliff would be great mature bodies and people for kids to come into.

[josie]

GVGjr - this sounds reasonable for all 3 parties. Would prefer north to have stringer if he comes good rather than sainters or god forbid the bombers. Cannot see how cats get him unless they offer future high draft picks. Hate the risk of future draft picks too. Pity Kelly does not want to come to us as could be some interesting 3 way deals with Stringer on table.

[GVGjr]

Sounds good to me. All teams can claim victory, and members happy enough.

Trengove & Rockliff would be great mature bodies and people for kids to come into.

BT, you need to crunch the numbers for me. :) Are we adequately compensating North? Do we flip flop picks 39 and 44 to make it fairer? Wouldn't that be a twist :) ?

[comrade]

A deal with North wouldn't likely be straight up, a 3rd club could be involved.

Without a lot of thought, how does Bulldogs trading picks 9 and 26 for picks 15 and 16 from Richmond go? The index points match up OK. Tigers get their father son and have a mid 2nd rounder for a needs based player.

We trade Stringer and our newly acquired pick 16 to North for their picks 4 and 21.
We move up 5 picks from our original first selection, 11 picks from our original 2nd selection and still have an early 2nd rounder.
North have a big name (much needed) and still have a first round pick.

We have picks 4, 15 and 21 plus 39. Say hello to Stephenson, L.Fogarty and Clavarino
We then chase Tom Rockcliff hard.

Seriously, forward this to JMac. I doubt he'd be able to conjure up anything better.

[GVGjr]

Is Lever one too many tall defenders for us, especially with Trengove close?

Possibly, but lets give it a go, I suspect Adelaide will want a first and 2nd rounder for Lever.

[KT31]

Possibly, but lets give it a go, I suspect Adelaide will want a first and 2nd rounder for Lever.
I wouldn't be happy but would a swap of our first rounds and Lever for Stringer get it done ?

[GVGjr]

Seriously, forward this to JMac. I doubt he'd be able to conjure up anything better.

That's a bit harsh on J-Mac. When he did those Hrovat and Stevens trades we had won the flag and we overrated the list and we wanted to project that we were a fair club to deal with as much for our own players. It will be a very different J-Mac this time around.

We have two trade specialists here on WOOF in BT and The Doctor especially when it comes to draft picks manipulations and reading the play. With a bit of work we can get better options.
BT, The Doc, it's time to get to work :)

[bulldogtragic]

BT, you need to crunch the numbers for me. :) Are we adequately compensating North? Do we flip flop picks 39 and 44 to make it fairer? Wouldn't that be a twist :) ?

If we had to, I trust Dal at that range. Then as you allude to, we are effectively we are adding Hrovat/compo to the trade. So it's Stringer, Hrovat & 16 for Picks 4 & 21.

Leaving Hrovat out of it, they go from early to late first rounders (4-16) and a second rounder (21). That seems about fair for Stringer. Much more than a second rounder, but not enough to command a top 5 pick and more alone.

[GVGjr]

According to Fox Sports next years draft is close to a super draft. A lot of high end talent.
That's what they are saying, we have a father son consideration though so that might cancel us out just a fraction. Not many clubs would consider trading a first rounder for next year.

[bulldogtragic]

That's what they are saying, we have a father son consideration though so that might cancel us out just a fraction. Not many clubs would consider trading a first rounder for next year.

So you're saying let's tank, get a young gun before Rhylee comes up, then bank up points and get Rhylee & Khamis on the cheap. :D

[bornadog]

I don't mind Lever and Trengove as the latter can play ruck.

[GVGjr]

So you're saying let's tank, get a young gun before Rhylee comes up, then bank up points and get Rhylee & Khamis on the cheap. :D

I'll never say yes to a tank :)

I think there are a number of trade options available to us with Stringer. I think there would be 5 interested clubs

Essendon could almost be a straight up deal for Stringer for pick 11 and we could throw in Crameri for their pick 46 (3rd round)
They get a dynamic forward plus a favourite son returns. If Essendon trades with us, Crameri can start training with them straight away, if not they can wait until the preseason draft which is another wait he probably can't afford.
Crameri needs to start training asap so there is an incentive for the difficult Essendon to play ball.

We would have picks 9, 11, 26, 39 and 46 in that scenario.

We could potentially involve Brisbane with another team and I've just had a look a trade with StKilda that looks OK and fair to me.

Getting involved with in a complicated 4 way trade that has Lever to Melbourne, Gibbs to Adelaide and Stringer to Carlton is a bit harder.

[GVGjr]

GVGjr - this sounds reasonable for all 3 parties. Would prefer north to have stringer if he comes good rather than sainters or god forbid the bombers. Cannot see how cats get him unless they offer future high draft picks. Hate the risk of future draft picks too. Pity Kelly does not want to come to us as could be some interesting 3 way deals with Stringer on table.

Thanks Josie, I also struggle to see how the Cats get the deal done unless they offer next years first rounder and then we have the issue of projecting where that fits.

I think he suits North and the Saints the most and we know Essendon would be difficult to deal with.

[jeemak]

Possibly, but lets give it a go, I suspect Adelaide will want a first and 2nd rounder for Lever.

This is the thing I have trouble with. Stringer is by far a much more valuable player when on-song than Lever will ever be. He plays taller than he is, smaller than he is and can kick goals.

Lever fits into a system - albeit in a talented way - but essentially plays a much easier role than Jake does.

I get that people view Stringer as a key forward who should be dominating games, but he isn't. Instead he's a player who plays one of the hardest roles you can play in the game, in a team that moves the ball terribly a lot of the time - and when playing "poorly" kicks over 40 goals in a premiership season.

On a like for like basis Stringer is the more valuable commodity than just about any back to play the game. Perhaps the trade for Stringer is being diluted because the things our club knows about Stringer are known externally as well.

[jazzadogs]

This is the thing I have trouble with. Stringer is by far a much more valuable player when on-song than Lever will ever be. He plays taller than he is, smaller than he is and can kick goals.

Lever fits into a system - albeit in a talented way - but essentially plays a much easier role than Jake does.

I get that people view Stringer as a key forward who should be dominating games, but he isn't. Instead he's a player who plays one of the hardest roles you can play in the game, in a team that moves the ball terribly a lot of the time - and when playing "poorly" kicks over 40 goals in a premiership season.

On a like for like basis Stringer is the more valuable commodity than just about any back to play the game. Perhaps the trade for Stringer is being diluted because the things our club knows about Stringer are known externally as well.

It's infuriating me seeing people undervalue Stringer. You are right that his value has dropped because of publicised issues with commitment, but his talent alone is behind only Bont at our club. We must get adequate compensation.

For interests sake, here are some trades involving first round picks in the past few years:
- McCarthy, #7, #34, #32 for #3 (similar to suggestions of Stringer and #9 for #4, similar commitment issues, Stringer's upside arguably higher with potential to run through middle)
- Tom Mitchell + #57 for #14 + #52 (looks like a bit of a steal for the Hawks - undoubtedly has runs on the board. Stringer more mercurial but Mitchell certainly more consistent. Is this his value?)
- Dion Prestia + #24 for #6 and future 2nd round (surely Stringer is a better player than Prestia - we need to get someone to overvalue him like Richmond overvalued Prestia. Has turned into a win for them with their season turning the 2nd round pick into a late pick)
- Jaeger O'Meara for #10 and future second round (Jaeger's talent is well documented but his injury troubles made this a significant risk. Is Stringer's undoubted talent equivalent? How much of a handicap does his commitment add)
- Dangerfield for #9 and #28 (no way are we getting two picks for Stringer, and this was a manipulation to avoid FA compo)
- Jack Redden for #17
- Lachie Henderson for future first round
- Harley Bennell + #22 for #16 and #35 (massive commitment/lifestyle issues affected price of a clearly talented player)
- Jed f'in Anderson + 38 + 40 for #15 + #55 (hope North still has the same guy in charge of trades)
- Jake Carlisle for #5 and #24
- Treloar + 28 for #7 and future first round
- Chris f'in Yarran for #19

I know I've put a lot of info there but there are some decent comparisons from past years, of players with similar talent but injury/commitment issues.

IMO North's #4 is a prime target and I like the look of GVG's proposal but think it's too good to be true. I see no scenario in which we end with #4 and #9.

I hope nobody offers anything good enough, we keep Jake and he picks up his act next year before becoming a life-long Bulldogs legend.

[jeemak]

It's infuriating me seeing people undervalue Stringer. You are right that his value has dropped because of publicised issues with commitment, but his talent alone is behind only Bont at our club. We must get adequate compensation.

For interests sake, here are some trades involving first round picks in the past few years:
- McCarthy, #7, #34, #32 for #3 (similar to suggestions of Stringer and #9 for #4, similar commitment issues, Stringer's upside arguably higher with potential to run through middle)
- Tom Mitchell + #57 for #14 + #52 (looks like a bit of a steal for the Hawks - undoubtedly has runs on the board. Stringer more mercurial but Mitchell certainly more consistent. Is this his value?)
- Dion Prestia + #24 for #6 and future 2nd round (surely Stringer is a better player than Prestia - we need to get someone to overvalue him like Richmond overvalued Prestia. Has turned into a win for them with their season turning the 2nd round pick into a late pick)
- Jaeger O'Meara for #10 and future second round (Jaeger's talent is well documented but his injury troubles made this a significant risk. Is Stringer's undoubted talent equivalent? How much of a handicap does his commitment add)
- Dangerfield for #9 and #28 (no way are we getting two picks for Stringer, and this was a manipulation to avoid FA compo)
- Jack Redden for #17
- Lachie Henderson for future first round
- Harley Bennell + #22 for #16 and #35 (massive commitment/lifestyle issues affected price of a clearly talented player)
- Jed f'in Anderson + 38 + 40 for #15 + #55 (hope North still has the same guy in charge of trades)
- Jake Carlisle for #5 and #24
- Treloar + 28 for #7 and future first round
- Chris f'in Yarran for #19

I know I've put a lot of info there but there are some decent comparisons from past years, of players with similar talent but injury/commitment issues.

IMO North's #4 is a prime target and I like the look of GVG's proposal but think it's too good to be true. I see no scenario in which we end with #4 and #9.

I hope nobody offers anything good enough, we keep Jake and he picks up his act next year before becoming a life-long Bulldogs legend.

We thank you for going to the effort and it's madness jazza, for relaxation click on the link in my signature. 13 minutes of bliss........or find something else to numb the stupidity.

[jazzadogs]

We thank you for going to the effort and it's madness jazza, for relaxation click on the link in my signature. 13 minutes of bliss........or find something else to numb the stupidity.

I didn't click and thought this would be the link. Also calming as long as I skip over a few key highlights.


https://youtu.be/PfSiqkc4QZo

I mean there are suggestions we'll get a late first round pick. The same as Jed Anderson, Jack Redden or Chris Yarran. I would be unable to accept such a decision.

[jeemak]

I didn't click and thought this would be the link. Also calming as long as I skip over a few key highlights.


https://youtu.be/PfSiqkc4QZo

I mean there are suggestions we'll get a late first round pick. The same as Jed Anderson, Jack Redden or Chris Yarran. I would be unable to accept such a decision.

Just click the link mate, and not worry about it for a while.

[MrMahatma]

I reckon he'll stay. Here's why:

1. This is now VERY public that we "don't want him" at the dogs.
2. We've said we won't just give him away.
3. Telling everyone that we're so keen to get rid of him isn't going to get them to offer up a pick based on his potential (which is a very early pick... let's face it, he's already been All Australian and is in the top 15 goal kickers in the past 3 years, and half of that time he's been "down" on performance. His potential is huge). Teams will offer up discounted picks.
4. We're now saying that it's not irreparable.

I think we won't get an offer we're willing to accept and we're just using this process as a kick up the arse for Jake and for the rest of the team. Hopefully he joins Libba back at pre-season 2 weeks early.

[jeemak]

He's gone MrM. Best you get over it.

[GVGjr]

This is the thing I have trouble with. Stringer is by far a much more valuable player when on-song than Lever will ever be. He plays taller than he is, smaller than he is and can kick goals.

Lever fits into a system - albeit in a talented way - but essentially plays a much easier role than Jake does.

I get that people view Stringer as a key forward who should be dominating games, but he isn't. Instead he's a player who plays one of the hardest roles you can play in the game, in a team that moves the ball terribly a lot of the time - and when playing "poorly" kicks over 40 goals in a premiership season.

On a like for like basis Stringer is the more valuable commodity than just about any back to play the game. Perhaps the trade for Stringer is being diluted because the things our club knows about Stringer are known externally as well.

I get that.
Whenever I've said Stringer was a tall on here I've typically been reminded that he shouldn't be regarded as that. If he was a genuine tall forward he would be worth more.

[Twodogs]

I get that.
Whenever I've said Stringer was a tall on here I've typically been reminded that he shouldn't be regarded as that. If he was a genuine tall forward he would be worth more.

He's not your typical mudium forward either.

Gary Ablett wasn't a tall. If Geelong had traded him under the same circumstances as we are trading Stringer (and I'm now no longer convinced he's gone after reading Bevo's statement, that's an easy statement to walk back on. Bevo could have said it much differently. He chose those words carefully) they would have got the earth.

Stringer is worth one, if not two first round draft picks. If we don't get what we want Jake will play for us next year.

[azabob]

Pies won't be interested in Stringer now.

Why?

[ReLoad]

So now that its in the open lets sort this mess out!

There a few side and longer terms games at play here.
As others have eluded, next years draft, we will need picks for our F/S. so lets look at building for that draft.

To me that means Letting Jake stay and him going under free agency next year, keeping our draft intact next year, OR alternatively swapping for picks next year, I'm certain a team like Carlton, who lets be honest have one of the most dismal forward lines in the land are crying out for a Jake, they will throw up their 1st rounder from next year as well as a combo of 2nd rounder swaps

That leaves us in the hole this year, and makes keeping Crameri a great option, He's pretty much the same player as Jake in terms of final output, out net gain/loss is minimal from an on field perspective.

It does however give us a massive salary cap advantage! lets hope we can exploit that at some stage!

[1eyedog]

He's gone MrM. Best you get over it.

Not necessarily J. Where we are at right now we don't want him, but things can change and Bevo is very flexible emotionally. Jake needs to fall in on himself and completely sort out his act, and fast. It depends on how much he wants to be at the club.

[anfo27]

So now that its in the open lets sort this mess out!

There a few side and longer terms games at play here.
As others have eluded, next years draft, we will need picks for our F/S. so lets look at building for that draft.

To me that means Letting Jake stay and him going under free agency next year, keeping our draft intact next year, OR alternatively swapping for picks next year, I'm certain a team like Carlton, who lets be honest have one of the most dismal forward lines in the land are crying out for a Jake, they will throw up their 1st rounder from next year as well as a combo of 2nd rounder swaps

That leaves us in the hole this year, and makes keeping Crameri a great option, He's pretty much the same player as Jake in terms of final output, out net gain/loss is minimal from an on field perspective.

It does however give us a massive salary cap advantage! lets hope we can exploit that at some stage!

I've heard this a few times but Jake is not eligible for free agency next year. Out of contract yes but NOT a free agent.

[ReLoad]

I've heard this a few times but Jake is not eligible for free agency next year. Out of contract yes but NOT a free agent.

Same outcome in terms of if he wants to go to his destination of choice in that he will need to do a talk with the club or end up in the PSD (and end up in Brisbane/GC)

[GVGjr]

Why?

I think DR is making the link that M.Boyd will provide more information that might put the Pies off

[Bulldog4life]

I reckon he'll stay. Here's why:

1. This is now VERY public that we "don't want him" at the dogs.
2. We've said we won't just give him away.
3. Telling everyone that we're so keen to get rid of him isn't going to get them to offer up a pick based on his potential (which is a very early pick... let's face it, he's already been All Australian and is in the top 15 goal kickers in the past 3 years, and half of that time he's been "down" on performance. His potential is huge). Teams will offer up discounted picks.
4. We're now saying that it's not irreparable.

I think we won't get an offer we're willing to accept and we're just using this process as a kick up the arse for Jake and for the rest of the team. Hopefully he joins Libba back at pre-season 2 weeks early.

Yes this could all be a master manipulation by Bevo to get the best out of Jake. To scare the bejesus out of him. We can only hope.

[Mofra]

He's not your typical mudium forward either.

Gary Ablett wasn't a tall. If Geelong had traded him under the same circumstances as we are trading Stringer (and I'm now no longer convinced he's gone after reading Bevo's statement, that's an easy statement to walk back on. Bevo could have said it much differently. He chose those words carefully) they would have got the earth.

Stringer is worth one, if not two first round draft picks. If we don't get what we want Jake will play for us next year.
Did the Hawks get much for Gaz Snr?

Seems a similar issue - superstar with significant problems, Geelong won the trade and the Hawks won a stack of flags. I know which club I'd rather emulate.

[comrade]

Same outcome in terms of if he wants to go to his destination of choice in that he will need to do a talk with the club or end up in the PSD (and end up in Brisbane/GC)

That rarely happens. Out of contract players get traded to their club of choice, generally with a minimum of fuss and the existing team getting bent over.

The time to trade a player is when they are under contract, especially when there are suitors with money to throw around for trade targets.

[Mantis]

Did the Hawks get much for Gaz Snr?

Seems a similar issue - superstar with significant problems, Geelong won the trade and the Hawks won a stack of flags. I know which club I'd rather emulate.

Was Gaz Snr an AA player at Hawthorn?

My memory tells me had only played a handful of games and hadn't done a lot.

[Bulldog4life]

Was Gaz Snr an AA player at Hawthorn?

My memory tells me had only played a handful of games and hadn't done a lot.

You are right Mantis. His off field antics were the reason the Hawks traded him.

[Webby]

Did the Hawks get much for Gaz Snr?

Seems a similar issue - superstar with significant problems, Geelong won the trade and the Hawks won a stack of flags. I know which club I'd rather emulate.

Gary Ablett Snr's problems were a lot more serious and significant than Jake's. Albeit probably proportional to the times. Jake has punctuality, personal and attitude related problems. Gary Snr's were with the law.

Nonetheless, point taken and agreed with by yours truely. A strong club culture is built on being strong.

I'm not sure Hawthorn got much for Gary. It's not often talked about, but the reason he left Hawthorn was pretty much due to his incarceration in the Beechworth Prison. Neighbouring club, Myrtleford, arranged for day release for him to play for them on Saturdays. After his time was served, he was recruited by Tommy Hafey at Geelong. Word was that Gary being removed from his Melbourne environment (with his wayward nature and dubious connections) would be good for him. Therefore no real trade of note.

Comparisons between Jake and Gary are unfair on Jake - both on and off the field!

[Twodogs]

Did the Hawks get much for Gaz Snr?

Seems a similar issue - superstar with significant problems, Geelong won the trade and the Hawks won a stack of flags. I know which club I'd rather emulate.

No, but Ablett was a 3 game player who was a lunatic (and cruel with it, the way only country boys can be) off field with at a club with a new coach (Jeans and you didn't *!*!*!*! around with Alan Jeans) that was looking to make a point. Jake is an AA Premiership player with other clubs slathering over him so there's a bit of a difference.


That rarely happens. Out of contract players get traded to their club of choice, generally with a minimum of fuss and the existing team getting bent over.

The time to trade a player is when they are under contract, especially when there are suitors with money to throw around for trade targets.

Just as a matter of interest if the boot was on the other foot, Jake plays for Esendon, has shit the nest and we want him to come to us. How does that play out? Do we still somehow get bent over in your world?

[azabob]

Paul Connors is the key to this. We need to get on the front foot early and say to Paul Connors and Jakes go to person (Alex?) and say it's a top 10 pick or he stays. Or whatever we think he's worth.

He is on record saying that he tends to steer his players in the direction of the club who is in a position to get a trade done.

As in a club who can satisfy the club who is trading the player i.e The Dogs.

[aker39]

If you don't want to go crazy, I suggest avoiding social media and talkback radio for the next few weeks.

Here were some of the suggestions.

Stringer straight swap for Goldstein
Stringer and Crameri for Laverde and Langford

[jeemak]

If you don't want to go crazy, I suggest avoiding social media and talkback radio for the next few weeks.

Here were some of the suggestions.

Stringer straight swap for Goldstein
Stringer and Crameri for Laverde and Langford

Always, irrespective of the situation, avoid social media and talkback when it comes to football.

[comrade]

If you don't want to go crazy, I suggest avoiding social media and talkback radio for the next few weeks.

Here were some of the suggestions.

Stringer straight swap for Goldstein
Stringer and Crameri for Laverde and Langford

I would rather gouge my own eyes out than watch Laverde in our colours.

[bornadog]

I would rather gouge my own eyes out than watch Laverde in our colours.

What about Goldstein................................................ and pick 4 :D

[hujsh]

If you don't want to go crazy, I suggest avoiding social media and talkback radio for the next few weeks.

Here were some of the suggestions.

Stringer straight swap for Goldstein
Stringer and Crameri for Laverde and Langford

And we'll trade Rourke Smith, Matthew Suckling and Stewart Crameri for Danniher.

[Axe Man]

If you don't want to go crazy, I suggest avoiding social media and talkback radio for the next few weeks.

Here were some of the suggestions.

Stringer straight swap for Goldstein
Stringer and Crameri for Laverde and Langford

Not just social media and talkback - the Herald Sun are running with Stringer for Goldstein.:eek:

[bornadog]

Not just social media and talkback - the Herald Sun are running with Stringer for Goldstein.:eek:

I just saw that, that journo has rocks in his head

[Bulldog4life]

And we'll trade Rourke Smith, Matthew Suckling and Stewart Crameri for Danniher.

I like that one

[Hotdog60]

I may be alone on this but I think Goldie has peaked and is now going to trend downwards.
A top ten pick and a player with a possible upside and 10 years left in the game.
BTW I hope the penny drops with Jake and he commits to the club.

[ledge]

If you don't want to go crazy, I suggest avoiding social media and talkback radio for the next few weeks.

Here were some of the suggestions.

Stringer straight swap for Goldstein
Stringer and Crameri for Laverde and Langford

In defence of the radio station it was just callers who barrack for those clubs making those stupid ideas up.

[bulldogtragic]

SEN reporting Richmond are interested in Stringer. From GVGs first post, 9 & 26 for 15 & 16 gets us about par on draft points, so that could be half of an interesting trade. But signing Dusty to more than they otherwise might have thought would bust their cap. Do they have players that we could target as a the second part, that earn good money to free their cap up? I haven't watched much of them, but is Rioli someone that could get it done and/or gettable? Or who else? If they can't free their cap, Jake's not going there.

In: 15, 16, Rioli/Other
Out: 9, 26, Stringer

[Doc26]

Not just social media and talkback - the Herald Sun are running with Stringer for Goldstein.:eek:


I just saw that, that journo has rocks in his head

The reporter, Ben Higgins, is in fact a Dogs supporter.

I think the gist of Ben's article was really about each Club looking to trade to address its positional need, for us, our Number 1 Ruck gap but he erred in neglecting to consider Goldy's age (post 30), and for that matter us inheriting the alleged personal issues that also shadow Goldy.

I'll give Ben a break on this only because I know where his allegiances sit.

[Bullies]

I may be alone on this but I think Goldie has peaked and is now going to trend downwards.
A top ten pick and a player with a possible upside and 10 years left in the game.
BTW I hope the penny drops with Jake and he commits to the club. I think the whole football world knows what you do as Goldy is well and truly cooked. Put the fork in he is done.

[Flamethrower]

The toughest thing with Stringer is that he could be the next G.Ablett Sr or he could be the next Allen Jakovich. Therefore he could be worth 2 1st round picks and a star, or he could be worth a swap of 5th round draft picks.

My preference would be to keep him on our list to fulfill his contract and play him at VFL all year in the hope that he grows up at some stage, and if the penny doesn't drop delist him.

[Twodogs]

Not just social media and talkback - the Herald Sun are running with Stringer for Goldstein.:eek:


I just saw that, that journo has rocks in his head


The reporter, Ben Higgins, is in fact a Dogs supporter.

I think the gist of Ben's article was really about each Club looking to trade to address its positional need, for us, our Number 1 Ruck gap but he erred in neglecting to consider Goldy's age (post 30), and for that matter us inheriting the alleged personal issues that also shadow Goldy.

I'll give Ben a break on this only because I know where his allegiances sit.


Some one had better sit with him for the next 24 hours. Standard procedure for treatment of that severe blow to the head he has obviously taken. Poor guy has forgotten it happened.

[MrMahatma]

He's gone MrM. Best you get over it.

What I don't get is why it's so public, so far from trade week. It doesn't help the Western Bulldogs one bit.

[Ozza]

What I don't get is why it's so public, so far from trade week. It doesn't help the Western Bulldogs one bit.

It doesn't help us - but these things almost always get out.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Ummmm there's an article on the HS that says Stringer for goldy straight swap is fair and makes sense.....am I in some sort of bizzaro world?

[Twodogs]

What I don't get is why it's so public, so far from trade week. It doesn't help the Western Bulldogs one bit.


We probably didn't choose the timing. And it just happened to drop on a slow news day.

Hopefully it will play out by trade week and won't be a distraction then. That's one good thing about it coming out now.

[bornadog]

Ummmm there's an article on the HS that says Stringer for goldy straight swap is fair and makes sense.....am I in some sort of bizzaro world?

See discussion above.

[bornadog]

Apparently Barrett thinks pick 20 will get Stringer to Geelong :D:D:D:D

[kruder]

Apparently Barrett thinks pick 20 will get Stringer to Geelong :D:D:D:D

If we trade him to Geelong i will be sick.

[BulldogBelle]

Jake's only hope...879

[GVGjr]

Hoopsnake, This thread is for judging Jakes trade value not about passing comments on his perceived character

[Remi Moses]

Apparently Barrett thinks pick 20 will get Stringer to Geelong :D:D:D:D

Gotta love the grub . He is a gossip columnist. Top 10 pick for mine

[bulldogsthru&thru]

See discussion above.

Ah thanks. I saw the article and needed an immediate vent. We'd be better off letting him go for nothing and getting Minson to come back

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Do we seriously have bulldog coloured glasses on when thinking about his trade value? What is the minimum you would accept? I noticed Cal Twoomey on afl.com.au mentioned essendons pick 11 is about right. Is that enough for people? To me that's the minimum

[Rocco Jones]

Do we seriously have bulldog coloured glasses on when thinking about his trade value? What is the minimum you would accept? I noticed Cal Twoomey on afl.com.au mentioned essendons pick 11 is about right. Is that enough for people? To me that's the minimum

Depends a bit on the intel about Stringer's real issues. I think pick 11 is about right.

[Bullies]

Depends a bit on the intel about Stringer's real issues. I think pick 11 is about right. Agreed. Despite what supporters feel he is worth other clubs don't. We want to get rid of him and he comes with baggage. Clubs are weary of this and will not sell the farm for him. If we have not offloaded him early in the draft then someone will get a bargain as despite what Bevo says he won't be at the club next year.

[bornadog]

Do we seriously have bulldog coloured glasses on when thinking about his trade value? What is the minimum you would accept? I noticed Cal Twoomey on afl.com.au mentioned essendons pick 11 is about right. Is that enough for people? To me that's the minimum


Depends a bit on the intel about Stringer's real issues. I think pick 11 is about right.

He was a pick 5 when we picked him up and became an AA player kicking over 50 goals.

I wouldn't be happy with anything over pick 10, plus a early 3rd rounder or player.

[Bulldog4life]

Agreed. Despite what supporters feel he is worth other clubs don't. We want to get rid of him and he comes with baggage. Clubs are weary of this and will not sell the farm for him. If we have not offloaded him early in the draft then someone will get a bargain as despite what Bevo says he won't be at the club next year.

You are assuming that but we don't know that for sure. Bevo's word is good enough for me.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Agreed. Despite what supporters feel he is worth other clubs don't. We want to get rid of him and he comes with baggage. Clubs are weary of this and will not sell the farm for him. If we have not offloaded him early in the draft then someone will get a bargain as despite what Bevo says he won't be at the club next year.

Conversely the later it goes the more desperate other clubs could get. Assuming Kelly signs, Stringer is the best player on the market

[Bullies]

You are assuming that but we don't know that for sure. Bevo's word is good enough for me. Bevo is saying the right things but knowing deep down Stringer won't play with us anymore. Relationship is beyond repair and a deal will be done. They will take the best deal available and that could be done on the last day of trade.

[bornadog]

Bevo is saying the right things but knowing deep down Stringer won't play with us anymore. Relationship is beyond repair and a deal will be done. They will take the best deal available and that could be done on the last day of trade.

How do you know this?

[hujsh]

How do you know this?

Funny how many people seem to know everything that's going on now. Didn't get much of this insider gossip during the year.

[bornadog]

Funny how many people seem to know everything that's going on now. Didn't get much of this insider gossip during the year.

None of us can predict the future. The club could do anything and shock us all.

[bulldogtragic]

All we know is what Bevo said, in that Jake is as good as gone if we can get a decent deal. Jake has two reactions as far as I can see...

1. Empty his locker and find a team that takes all of 'the package' and baggage in a decent deal. Which will happen.
2. He now has that rock bottom moment when 'all this shit just got real' and walks into the playing group, dedicates himself to their demands of professionalism and if they believe him, then he heads into Bevo's office pleading that he's a new man and that he will start preseason early and set about his life in a new direction for himself, his family and the kids we draft who look to him as an example (and maybe signs a cheap contract extension for putting everyone through this shit).

Either way, what we know is that it's up to Jake now. Take the easy street out, or swallow some pride and take the high road and fight to stay. In the WBFC footy sense, he's at rock bottom now. A gun whose contracted yet we don't want. Everyone loves a comeback kid who puts their hand up for mistakes, and turns that adversity into success. With media probably camped at WO we will know soon enough what direction he wants to take his footy and life.

[bornadog]

Take the easy street out,

However, it won't be easy street if he doesn't turn his life around. Whether it is with us or another club, if he wants to be an AFL player, he has to take the next step to being a true professional on and off the field.

So his real choices are yes or no to playing AFL.

[Bulldog4life]

Heard Cooney have a go at Bevo for what he said about Stringer. Said Stringer couldn't go back now. Said he would like to see him at Essendon. No mention of Stringer stuffing up as he is tight with him.

[bornadog]

Heard Cooney have a go at Bevo for what he said about Stringer. Said Stringer couldn't go back now. Said he would like to see him at Essendon. No mention of Stringer stuffing up as he is tight with him.

Yeah I heard that too. The Guy thinks he is an Essendon life member and has completely shunned the club that gave him an opportunity and where he played 219 games compared to 31 awful games. Can't stand listening to him. Same as Brain fader.

[bulldogtragic]

Heard Cooney have a go at Bevo for what he said about Stringer. Said Stringer couldn't go back now. Said he would like to see him at Essendon. No mention of Stringer stuffing up as he is tight with him.

Cooney can GAGF as far as I'm concerned on this topic. Nothing at you my friend.

[Bulldog4life]

Yeah I heard that too. The Guy thinks he is an Essendon life member and has completely shunned the club that gave him an opportunity and where he played 219 games compared to 31 awful games. Can't stand listening to him. Same as Brain fader.

Agree he is not nearly as funny as he thinks he is too. I was in my car listening but usually never listen to Leach or Cooney. Agree on his love for the Bummers too.

[Bulldog4life]

Cooney can GAGF as far as I'm concerned on this topic. Nothing at you my friend.

He has become a bore

[ledge]

Bevo said he has issues he needs to fix , well that's obvious so I'm not sure what Bevo said that was bad.
Bevo also said it was fixable , if that isn't leaving the door open I'm not sure what else he could say to support him.
I'm not sure if Cooney actually read the article from that comment.

[Rocket Science]

However, it won't be easy street if he doesn't turn his life around. Whether it is with us or another club, if he wants to be an AFL player, he has to take the next step to being a true professional on and off the field.

So his real choices are yes or no to playing AFL.

It really does have the vibe of an intervention at this point.

[comrade]

Yeah I heard that too. The Guy thinks he is an Essendon life member and has completely shunned the club that gave him an opportunity and where he played 219 games compared to 31 awful games. Can't stand listening to him. Same as Brain fader.

I'm with you. Absolute clown of a bloke. Then again, you'd probably defend a fellow player who's been criticised for appalling professionalism and a lack of standards around training and injury rehab. Cooney would know all about that

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Menegola and 20 for Stringer?

[EasternWest]

How do you know this?

I'm admiring your tenacity :)

[Hotdog60]

I think Stringer can go to Geelong.
They have bargaining chips.
I know we are getting unders but.....
Stringer in a clean swap for Dangerfield.

[ratsmac]

Heard Cooney have a go at Bevo for what he said about Stringer. Said Stringer couldn't go back now. Said he would like to see him at Essendon. No mention of Stringer stuffing up as he is tight with him.

Yeah it's all Bevo's fault. Cooney = Dickhead

[SquirrelGrip]

There's a litany of champion footballers who are big dills. Cooney and Stringer can be added to the long list of Carey, Ablett Snr, Martin, Franklin, Cousins, A Jakovich, Carman, Jacko, Capper, Arnold Briedis ...

[LostDoggy]

I'd be happy with Pick 11. Seems right to me.

[The Doctor]

Cooney is becoming my least favourite good player ever at the Dogs!

[Dry Rot]

IF Stringer is leaving, my preference is a first rounder from next year.

Failing that, I favour another scenario of using this year's trading first rounder to pick up a couple of experienced players e.g. Saad and Crozier. From all reports this draft falls away real quickly in the first round.

Another issue we have is list numbers.We currently have 2 retirements and 1 delisting = 3 spots, less Lynch up grade and Trengove = 1 spot and we have to use at least 2 draft picks (if the third is used on Lynch).

If Stringer goes and we get 2 more in, we still need at least 2 more list spots. I suppose that is where Crameri and Honeychurch come in.

[ledge]

IF Stringer is leaving, my preference is a first rounder from next year.

Failing that, I favour another scenario of using this year's trading first rounder to pick up a couple of experienced players e.g. Saad and Crozier. From all reports this draft falls away real quickly in the first round.

Another issue we have is list numbers.We currently have 2 retirements and 1 delisting = 3 spots, less Lynch up grade and Trengove = 1 spot and we have to use at least 2 draft picks (if the third is used on Lynch).

If Stringer goes and we get 2 more in, we still need at least 2 more list spots. I suppose that is where Crameri and Honeychurch come in.

I think the minimum change to a list by AFL rules is 4 a year.
But if you delist then redraft them I think It counts as one.
We have lost two through retirement and two delisted , I'm not sure if the rookie list counts.
Does anyone have the rules about list management each year ?

[Twodogs]

IF Stringer is leaving, my preference is a first rounder from next year.

Failing that, I favour another scenario of using this year's trading first rounder to pick up a couple of experienced players e.g. Saad and Crozier. From all reports this draft falls away real quickly in the first round.

Another issue we have is list numbers.We currently have 2 retirements and 1 delisting = 3 spots, less Lynch up grade and Trengove = 1 spot and we have to use at least 2 draft picks (if the third is used on Lynch).

If Stringer goes and we get 2 more in, we still need at least 2 more list spots. I suppose that is where Crameri and Honeychurch come in.

Every year there seems to be either a draft that has a good top 6 and then falls away or it's a Superdraft (exclamation mark) and every year we get good players from all over the place. We get The Bont at 4 one year, the next year we get Caleb Daniel at 45 and nobody rates Zaine Cordy highly enough to nominate him until the fourth round.



I think the minimum change to a list by AFL rules is 4 a year.
But if you delist then redraft them I think It counts as one.
We have lost two through retirement and two delisted , I'm not sure if the rookie list counts.
Does anyone have the rules about list management each year ?

3 I think. It used to be 3. Rookie list is seperate, you can stay on it 2 years.

But I think the rookie list is about to be merged into the main list isn't it?

[FrediKanoute]

I'd be happy with Pick 11. Seems right to me.

A 6 pick downgrade on a 23 year old bloke, who is all Australian and not even close to his peak is crap. He is a top 10 pick minimum and we would be dumb to let him go for less

[Twodogs]

A 6 pick downgrade on a 23 year old bloke, who is all Australian and not even close to his peak is crap. He is a top 10 pick minimum and we would be dumb to let him go for less


Yep. We should be wanting a pick to compensate for Stringer. A pick that gives us the opportunity to pick a player who can be AA, a 50 goal a season player, club leading goal kicker for the last 3 years and have game winning moments during form slumps. Or Stringer stays.

[hujsh]

In theory would you trade Stringer and our 1st for GC Lynch?

I might.

[Remi Moses]

Blimey , where do I sign ?

[1eyedog]

Yep no problems with that at all.

[1eyedog]

Yep. We should be wanting a pick to compensate for Stringer. A pick that gives us the opportunity to pick a player who can be AA, a 50 goal a season player, club leading goal kicker for the last 3 years and have game winning moments during form slumps. Or Stringer stays.

Stringer not passing the dickhead test indirectly relegates him to a late first rounder. That's the mail.

[Twodogs]

Stringer not passing the dickhead test indirectly relegates him to a late first rounder. That's the mail.


Then we should retain him. A late first rounder doesn't come close to compensating us adequately.

[MrMahatma]

Yep. We should be wanting a pick to compensate for Stringer. A pick that gives us the opportunity to pick a player who can be AA, a 50 goal a season player, club leading goal kicker for the last 3 years and have game winning moments during form slumps. Or Stringer stays.

Jake was a pick 5. That year Jack Martin & Jesse Hogan were taken in the mini-draft thing they used to do. (I think they were a year younger?)

The 4 before him:
- Lachie Whitfield (GWS) 0 All Australians, 1 suspension for illicit drugs taking.
- Jonathon O'Rourke (Drafted by GWS, now at Hawthorn) 0 games in 2017 when the Hawks were sh11te
- Lachie Plowman (Drafted by GWS, now at Carlton) Permanent player in the powerhouse Carlton team
- Jimmy Toumpass (Drafted by GWS, now at Port) Cranked out a huge 2 games for Port in 2017.

Seriously, we're idiots if we think we'll get adequate compensation for Jake. If we want a gun footballer then we're much more likely to turn him into what we want as a team player, than we are to find the right talent in the draft. He only went number 5 because he snapped his leg the year before the draft. He's better than Whitfield. He's the best in that draft.

We shouldn't trade him. Talk of "pick 11 might be OK" is a joke. We'll get another handy footballer at best if we do that. I don't care about all the "Caleb Daniel was pick 45". He's a very good footballer. He's not a match winner. Jake is.

We dead set need to keep him and everyone who says "he's not training hard enough blah blah" is caught up in some make believe reality that footballers are robots and that just because they're paid well they should be puppets. It's not true.

We don't need a list full of obedient little puppies, we need a list full of talented footballers. And we need 3-5 superstars. We're about to give a superstar away, leaving us with 1...

[Topdog]

Jake hasn't played close to superstar level for well over a year now. It's debatable that he ever has

[chef]

I'd take Lang and 2018 first rounder from Geelong.

[GVGjr]

A 6 pick downgrade on a 23 year old bloke, who is all Australian and not even close to his peak is crap. He is a top 10 pick minimum and we would be dumb to let him go for less

What he was worth when we drafted him and what he's worth now might have changed. WE should hold out for a good deal but pick 11 is around the mark and trading a player for picks with other teams isn't an exact science.

[GVGjr]

Seriously, we're idiots if we think we'll get adequate compensation for Jake. If we want a gun footballer then we're much more likely to turn him into what we want as a team player, than we are to find the right talent in the draft. He only went number 5 because he snapped his leg the year before the draft. He's better than Whitfield. He's the best in that draft.

We shouldn't trade him. Talk of "pick 11 might be OK" is a joke. We'll get another handy footballer at best if we do that. I don't care about all the "Caleb Daniel was pick 45". He's a very good footballer. He's not a match winner. Jake is.

We dead set need to keep him and everyone who says "he's not training hard enough blah blah" is caught up in some make believe reality that footballers are robots and that just because they're paid well they should be puppets. It's not true.

We don't need a list full of obedient little puppies, we need a list full of talented footballers. And we need 3-5 superstars. We're about to give a superstar away, leaving us with 1...

Team sports cannot keep players just because they are very talented. If they are a disrupter to the ethic that the coach expects from the whole playing group then the club needs to take action.

You're saying Stinger is a superstar but you're basing that more on potential than demonstrated results because his last 2 seasons have been average at best. He has under delivered on his potential and ability and while he looked great in 2015 that's now a while ago in footy terms.

I don't think anyone wants to lose Stringer but he does need to convince the club he's worth sticking with.

[Bulldog4life]

In simple terms all players must adhere to team rules. That is it in a nutshell.

[bornadog]

I don't think anyone wants to lose Stringer but he does need to convince the club he's worth sticking with.

This is the key, but how does he convince the club? How do we know he will do what is expected of him?

Maybe he needs to put his money where his mouth is and sign an addendum to his contract that includes a penalty in dollars if he stuffs up. The addendum could also include a bonus if he exceeds what he should be doing.

Either way, is the club taking a risk?

[Bulldog4life]

This is the key, but how does he convince the club? How do we know he will do what is expected of him?

Maybe he needs to put his money where his mouth is and sign an addendum to his contract that includes a penalty in dollars if he stuffs up. The addendum could also include a bonus if he exceeds what he is should be doing.

Either way, is the club taking a risk?

I heard a report other clubs might insist on this.

[Twodogs]

Jake was a pick 5. That year Jack Martin & Jesse Hogan were taken in the mini-draft thing they used to do. (I think they were a year younger?)

The 4 before him:
- Lachie Whitfield (GWS) 0 All Australians, 1 suspension for illicit drugs taking.
- Jonathon O'Rourke (Drafted by GWS, now at Hawthorn) 0 games in 2017 when the Hawks were sh11te
- Lachie Plowman (Drafted by GWS, now at Carlton) Permanent player in the powerhouse Carlton team
- Jimmy Toumpass (Drafted by GWS, now at Port) Cranked out a huge 2 games for Port in 2017.

Seriously, we're idiots if we think we'll get adequate compensation for Jake. If we want a gun footballer then we're much more likely to turn him into what we want as a team player, than we are to find the right talent in the draft. He only went number 5 because he snapped his leg the year before the draft. He's better than Whitfield. He's the best in that draft.

We shouldn't trade him. Talk of "pick 11 might be OK" is a joke. We'll get another handy footballer at best if we do that. I don't care about all the "Caleb Daniel was pick 45". He's a very good footballer. He's not a match winner. Jake is.

We dead set need to keep him and everyone who says "he's not training hard enough blah blah" is caught up in some make believe reality that footballers are robots and that just because they're paid well they should be puppets. It's not true.

We don't need a list full of obedient little puppies, we need a list full of talented footballers. And we need 3-5 superstars. We're about to give a superstar away, leaving us with 1...


I get what you mean nobody wants to lose a player like Jake. I've got two kids and I love this footy club almost as much as I love them. But, if my son was drafted by the Bulldogs right now I'd be suggesting he looks for another sport to play, there would be no way I'd be keen on him spending almost all his time being indoctrinated by the behaviour some of the players we have on our list at the moment are indulging themselves in.

If I'm thinking that then this situation almost went out of control.

[MrMahatma]

I get what you mean nobody wants to lose a player like Jake. I've got two kids and I love this footy club almost as much as I love them. But, if my son was drafted by the Bulldogs right now I'd be suggesting he looks for another sport to play, there would be no way I'd be keen on him spending almost all his time being indoctrinated by the behaviour some of the players we have on our list at the moment are indulging themselves in.

If I'm thinking that then this situation almost went out of control.

You must know more than me then. I'm basing my thoughts on the fact that he's sloppy with punctuality and preparation.

[DOG GOD]

But, if my son was drafted by the Bulldogs right now I'd be suggesting he looks for another sport to play, there would be no way I'd be keen on him spending almost all his time being indoctrinated by the behaviour some of the players we have on our list at the moment are indulging themselves in.

Wow twodogs, it obviously goes way deeper than just one player slacking off. Not good to hear.

[Rocco Jones]

I get what you mean nobody wants to lose a player like Jake. I've got two kids and I love this footy club almost as much as I love them. But, if my son was drafted by the Bulldogs right now I'd be suggesting he looks for another sport to play, there would be no way I'd be keen on him spending almost all his time being indoctrinated by the behaviour some of the players we have on our list at the moment are indulging themselves in.

If I'm thinking that then this situation almost went out of control.

It's one group within our club. All clubs have them. Thing is, our group involves a few who are really good at footy.

We also have citizens like Wood and Bont.

What I find worse than a 'party culture' is a bully one (in terms of if I was a dad to a player!).

[jeemak]

You must know more than me then. I'm basing my thoughts on the fact that he's sloppy with punctuality and preparation.

There's plenty to suggest it's more than that. The AFL fraternity talks around or alludes to more significant issues with Stringer, much like how they did with some at Hawthorn in 2009. Choose what you want to believe, be prepared to be surprised!

[Dry Rot]

I have a read a lot about all this which seems to take 2 sides (with often no knowledge of what has happened):

1) Stringer is slack etc, had many chances, better he be gone; OR

2) Bev is unreasonable treating a once in a generation player like this, we should have done more, we should do more and hang onto him etc.

What I haven't seen much is a discussion of the context of all this: Something(s) went badly wrong with our team in season 2017. Like an episode of Aircrash Investigations, it is usually many things that bring the plane down, and probably no area of the club, coaches and players etc, is immune from criticism.

But what we do know is that many players returned from a short pre-season in less than ideal condition. I suspect one area of focus will be a really hard pre season, one for all the players not just all the players bar Stringer.

This is one pre-season in which Bev cannot tolerate a slacker and have seperate rules for him.

[Bulldog4life]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/collingwood-could-join-trade-race-for-embattled-bulldogs-forward-jake-stringer-says-adam-cooney/news-story/89b21a665af69a82a513e52e5875f798


Collingwood could join trade race for embattled Bulldogs forward Jake Stringer, says Adam Cooney


BROWNLOW Medallist Adam Cooney expects Collingwood to enter the trade race for embattled forward Jake Stringer, whose relationship with the Western Bulldogs and coach Luke Beveridge became “almost untenable”.

Stringer, who has kicked 122 goals from his past three seasons, has already attracted interest from both Essendon and Geelong, with Cooney revealing that Bombers coach John Worsfold had spoken to Stringer “throughout the week”.

But Cooney predicted that the Magpies would also make a play for Stringer after champion Bulldog and former teammate Matthew Boyd joined the Pies’ coaching panel.

“Matty Boyd has just signed at Collingwood as a development coach — I think he’ll be in his ear over the next week or so to sit down and have a chat with Nathan Buckley at Collingwood,” Cooney told AFL Nation.

But Cooney added that “it certainly wasn’t (Stringer’s) idea to be traded” in the first place.

Bulldogs coach Beveridge this week publicly stated that his club would look to trade Stringer during the upcoming AFL trade period — a stance that “surprised, almost shocked” Cooney.

“Now every club in the land knows that they’re desperate to get rid of him and the relationship is almost untenable between coach and player. Not everyone at the Bulldogs wants to trade Jake Stringer, but the coach doesn’t like him,” Cooney said.

Stringer’s falling out with Beveridge and the club came to a head during the former’s “open and honest” exit meeting, according to Cooney, where Stringer was pulled up on several flaws.

However Cooney, who spoke with Stringer during the week, denied reports that Stringer “stormed out” of his discussion with Beveridge.

“It was an open and honest discussion, he walked out of it, he wasn’t annoyed, he wasn’t angry, they had a pretty good discussion about where they were at together … he’s accepted that he needs to move to another club,” Cooney said.

The former Bulldog and Don added: “His main problem is that his coach thought he was lazy, he wasn’t working hard enough — and you can see that on the field, he needs to work harder — and his approach to training is not professional enough. And he’s been told this four, five, six times.”

Stringer, taken by the Dogs with Pick 5 in the 2012 draft, has only played 89 games for the Bulldogs, but won All-Australian selection in 2015 at only 21 then played in the club’s memorable premiership the year after.

Cooney said Stringer still had ample to give another AFL club — and that his recent falling out could come back to haunt the Bulldogs.

“He could be anything as a player — we’ve seen how good he can be as a player,” Cooney said.

“Eventually he’ll sort himself out. He’ll sort his life out, he’ll work hard, he’ll get his diet right, he’ll become a super player year in two or three years’ time.

“Unfortunately for the Bulldogs it could come back to bit them.”




Bad luck for us that Stringer and Cooney are tight.

[bulldogtragic]

So according to his close mate, he's not eating right, not drinking right, not training right, not playing right, not carrying himself right, is lazy, isn't sorted out personally and is not professional. He's been told 6 times and still nothing has changed from Jake...

That he should have a 7th request to actually earn his huge money and respect his club and mates. And that obviously all players on the list would, would they?

He can become a super player in two or three years time... That long? On what he's 24th request. How many players will be delisted for less in that period.

Cooney making a case to trade him. Or trying to drive Stringers value down so he can pick a club to go to.

[Bulldog4life]

So he's not eating right, drinking right, training right, playing right, carrying himself right, is lazy, isn't sorted out personally and is not professional. He's been told 6 times and still nothing has changed.

That he should have a 7th request... And that obviously all players on the list would, would they?

He can become a super player in two or three years time... That long? On what he's 24th request.

Cooney making a case to trade him.

Agree but Cooney was wrong saying the situation is untenable. He might like to think it is but very few things are in the Afl. But it needs for Stringer to show Luke something positive and that he will change and he has been in the wrong. Waking up to himself. Not whinge to Cooney and say the coach doesn't like him. Or is it just Cooney assuming?

[1eyedog]

The more opposition list managers chew over the fact that Stringer is on the trade table the more Victorian clubs will be slavering at the bit to get him. I'm hoping someone jumps of the cliff and offers up somewhere between 4-6 for him or a late first rounder and a very good player. Stringer is the type of player that may have them falling over each other to get him to their club. Must maximise his departure at all costs.

[bulldogtragic]

Agree but Cooney was wrong saying the situation is untenable. He might like to think it is but very few things are in the Afl. But it needs for Stringer to show Luke something positive and that he will change and he has been in the wrong. Waking up to himself. Not whinge to Cooney and say the coach doesn't like him. Or is it just Cooney assuming?

To hard to tell in where fans are with the info we have. But if what Cooney said is true, I couldn't support the club any stronger. Maybe Stringer needed to see there was a consequence to his actions, and will fight to stay. Or he won't. But if Cooney is correct, then this has to happen to stay and be professional, or leave and let us recruit or trade in some talent with our compo.

[DOG GOD]

I'm still hopeful that the kangas offer pick 4. Didn't they give pick 12 for Jed Anderson ?

[bornadog]

Must maximise his departure at all costs.

Yep, no bargain basements. The worse case scenario, I would rather he doesn't get traded than be given away. He can then sit out the season and be told to stay away from the club and players.

[bulldogtragic]

Yep, no bargain basements. The worse case scenario, I would rather he doesn't get traded than be given away. He can then sit out the season and be told to stay away from the club and players.

Yep. If it's unders, we can get unders next year.

But I think when the auction starts, if it hasn't already, we should get a good price.

[bornadog]

I'm still hopeful that the kangas offer pick 4. Didn't they give pick 12 for Jed Anderson ?

That would be perfect, pick 4 plus Goldy. North ain't going no where either. :D for a few years.

[Doc26]

That would be perfect, pick 4 plus Goldy. North ain't going no where either. :D for a few years.

It's fair to assume that North were already planning on giving up pick 4 for either Dusty or Kelly. Given that neither now look likely, they may well view Stringer in a similar light to these two. The thing is, Jake's a known commoditywith star power and baggage, whereas pick 4 leaves no guarantees for an extreme talent such as Jake's, unless of course we can leverage this pick with a suitable trade.

[Twodogs]

According to this;

http://aflworld360.com/crows-dockers-demons-consider-3-way-trade/

Jesse Hogan is being valued at pick 5. Jake Stringer got to be worth the same as Jesse Hogan surely?

[Topdog]

So Lever is worth pick 5 or Hogan? That's insane

[Twodogs]

So Lever is worth pick 5 or Hogan? That's insane

I agree but it shows how wildly valuations can fluctuate.

It'll annoy me if Hogan is valued above an AA premiership player purely on Hogan's potential. Stringers potential and output are superior to Hogan. If Hogan is somehow a better player because he hasn't displayed his full potential then I give up on footy.

[chef]

I'd take Hogan in a heart beat over Stringer if I was another club choosing one. You can build your forward line around Hogan, Jake is such an unknown quantity nowadays.

[LostDoggy]

I'd take Hogan in a heart beat over Stringer if I was another club choosing one. You can build your forward line around Hogan, Jake is such an unknown quantity nowadays.

Some Melbourne supporters believe they are better without Hogan. I'd have Stringer over him. Just.

[LostDoggy]

I agree but it shows how wildly valuations can fluctuate.

It'll annoy me if Hogan is valued above an AA premiership player purely on Hogan's potential. Stringers potential and output are superior to Hogan. If Hogan is somehow a better player because he hasn't displayed his full potential then I give up on footy.


Yep that would annoy me too.

[bulldogtragic]

I'd take Hogan in a heart beat over Stringer if I was another club choosing one. You can build your forward line around Hogan, Jake is such an unknown quantity nowadays.

If that was a straight swap to us for example, yep, that's sign it in a heart beat stuff.

[Topdog]

I'd take Hogan in a heart beat over Stringer if I was another club choosing one. You can build your forward line around Hogan, Jake is such an unknown quantity nowadays.

Agreed! Are people forgetting Hogan has kicked 44 and 41 goals in seasons already?

105 goals from his first 51 games is an excellent return. Actually funnily enough that is exactly what Stringer did in his first 51.

Hogan is a year younger and is a tall forward

[Rocket Science]

There is one other thing that separates Stringer & Hogan.

One of them hasn't been shown the door by his footy club.

[Bulldog4life]

There is one other thing that separates Stringer & Hogan.

One of them hasn't been shown the door by his footy club.

Yep baggage plays an important part when you are valuing a players's worth.

[Twodogs]

There is one other thing that separates Stringer & Hogan.

One of them hasn't been shown the door by his footy club.


The fact one is a premiership player and one isn't is what seperates them in my eyes. That's the really important stat. That's what we play for, that's the ultimate measure of a player.

They can say what they like about Hogan's potential. Jake has the runs on the board. Until he is a premiership player Hogan is just a blowhard compared to Stringer.

[jeemak]

The fact one is a premiership player and one isn't is what seperates them in my eyes. That's the really important stat. That's what we play for, that's the ultimate measure of a player.

They can say what they like about Hogan's potential. Jake has the runs on the board. Until he is a premiership player Hogan is just a blowhard compared to Stringer.

So Stringer is already better than Doug Hawkins and Chris Grant?

[Topdog]

The fact one is a premiership player and one isn't is what seperates them in my eyes. That's the really important stat. That's what we play for, that's the ultimate measure of a player.

They can say what they like about Hogan's potential. Jake has the runs on the board. Until he is a premiership player Hogan is just a blowhard compared to Stringer.

Sorry TD but cant agree with that at all. You could make a stance on AA selection to rate an individual but footy is a team game and premiership medals count for squat when comparing players.

[Topdog]

So Stringer is already better than Doug Hawkins and Chris Grant?

Fletcher Roberts is better than Grant too.

[Twodogs]

So Stringer is already better than Doug Hawkins and Chris Grant?


The whole point of playing footy is to win premierships. Jake has proven he can match it when the furnace is at its hottest. It might be unfair on Hawk and Grant and West and Johnson that they never got the chance to prove themselves in that circumstance but I can't ever remember anyone telling me that football treated everybody fairly anyway.:)

[Topdog]

The whole point of playing footy is to win premierships. Jake has proven he can match it when the furnace is at its hottest. It might be unfair on Hawk and Grant and West and Johnson that they never got the chance to prove themselves in that circumstance but I can't ever remember anyone telling me that football treated everybody fairly anyway.:)

Jake was actually terrible in the GF so not sure he proved that.

*Also I'm editing my previous post to not sound like such a prick.

[ledge]

Jake was actually terrible in the GF so not sure he proved that.

*Also I'm editing my previous post to not sound like such a prick.

That run around the boundary to set up Picken for the dam breaker goal was pretty awesome.

[Topdog]

That run around the boundary to set up Picken for the dam breaker goal was pretty awesome.

Yeah he had 2 meaningful touches in the game. His goal was brilliant too.

[Bulldog4life]

It is rubbish to even think that player A is a better footballer than player B because player A has won a premiership. Ridiculous.

[GVGjr]

This premiership player tag we put on players is a nonsense when people are just talking about their worth.

There are plenty of premiership players who were average but lucky players

[ledge]

This premiership player tag we put on players is a nonsense when people are just talking about their worth.

There are plenty of premiership players who were average but lucky players

Shane Ellen, one good game in his life ., grand final

[bulldogtragic]

Shane Ellen, one good game in his life ., grand final

Flip side, Cam Mooney played in a NMFC premiership team and registered no possessions. Got a medal for it and all. Meant nothing.

[Rocco Jones]

This premiership player tag we put on players is a nonsense when people are just talking about their worth.

There are plenty of premiership players who were average but lucky players

Absolutely. Likewise the champions who never play in a premiership being seen as something less due to their team mates.

[Ozza]

Yeah he had 2 meaningful touches in the game. His goal was brilliant too.

The kick inside 50 just before half time which finished in McLean's goal was pretty handy under pressure too.

[Go_Dogs]

I'm still uncertain about where this ends, but no way is Jake worth anything less than a top 10 pick if it plays out that way.

Interesting take from Cooney, not a terrific endorsement of where Jake is at but rightly identifies the elite potential that's there if unearthed in the right environment.

[Remi Moses]

Mario Bortolotto , Aaron Keating . List is endless of very ordinary footballers who've played in flags .
Plenty of great footballers have missed out

[W W Biscuit]

Mario Bortolotto , Aaron Keating . List is endless of very ordinary footballers who've played in flags .
Plenty of great footballers have missed out

Chris Grant and Brad Johnson did not play in a premiership. The case is hereby rested.

[FrediKanoute]

Yep baggage plays an important part when you are valuing a players's worth.

Which shows just how badly we the Bulldogs have played this.

[Topdog]

Which shows just how badly we the Bulldogs have played this.

Not at all. Clubs know what is happening with players at other teams

[LostDoggy]

I'm still uncertain about where this ends, but no way is Jake worth anything less than a top 10 pick if it plays out that way.

Interesting take from Cooney, not a terrific endorsement of where Jake is at but rightly identifies the elite potential that's there if unearthed in the right environment.


I'm not sure how close they are anymore. It was interesting, he definitely gave him a slap while talking him up.

[KT31]

Stringer on Trade Radio tommorow 11am, will be interested what his approach is.

[ledge]

If he is on trade radio that would mean he is going.

[Twodogs]

If he is on trade radio that would mean he is going.


Thanks Rene DeCartes.

[Mofra]

Trade Radio not working for me yet. Stupid AFL site

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Came as a shock to Jake apparently

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Jake wants to stay it seems

[ReLoad]

Jake wants to stay it seems

Better pull his finger out then!

[Rocket Science]

A lot of understandable equivocating from camp Stringer. The talking heads pushing the 'this is irretrievable' line but the language and tone suggest that actually ain't the case.

Jake appears pretty uncomfortable and a bit shell-shocked frankly.

[bulldogtragic]

Jake wants to stay it seems

The only way he could stay is if he hit rock bottom, acknowledges it and those at his meeting Chris Grant, Bevo & JMac believe he's changed from hitting rock bottom.

Maybe he has. Maybe he hasn't. Saying Bevo hasn't detailed his areas to improve is insulting to us all though.

[bulldogtragic]

After today, if there's a decent offer, Stringer is gone. So back to the topic of worth. Is the worth in a draft pick or a player to compensate us?

Connors said he's playing in Victoria 100% next year:

Carlton - Pick 3, no way they give that up. I'm not sure they'll give up a good enough player either.
North - Dying for a marquee player. Pick 4?
Collingwood - Cooney said with Matt Boyd taking the development role at Collingwood, maybe pick 6 could be on the table.
St Kilda - A bit like north. Would they offer pick 8?
Essendon - Are chasing him hard. Would pick 11 do the job.
Geelong - I don't know what half arsed offer they'd make, pick 20 (their first) and a fringe player.
Richmond - Have interest but are reportedly chasing Schache as of last week before knowing Stringer was on the market. Could we take Schache off Richmond for Stringer (both late top 10 pick trades) and let Richmond satisfy Brisbane. Does that have less or more worth.
Hawthorn - They said they're interested but have little to trade realistically. I can't see Gunston being traded but that's the level I'd want.
Melbourne - Tied up in Lever.

What looks the best way forward?

[LostDoggy]

I don't think Carlton, North or Collingwood will give up their pick. I would be chasing Stkilda for pick 8 and tell the rest to forget it.

[bornadog]

Hawks have said they won't be making a pitch for Stringer

[bornadog]

St Kilda - A bit like north. Would they offer pick 8?

They also have pick 7

[Rocco Jones]

Clubs can't force trades in the AFL right?

There are 3 options
1- We find a trade we both want, he is gone
2- We don't find a trade we want, he stays
3- We find a trade we want but he doesn't want to go to that club, he stays

Would be interesting to see what happens if we get the best deal from a club that isn't one of his top choices. Does he force us to stay or does he take a less desirable option over the awkwardness of being somewhere he isn't wanted.

[Doc26]

Hawks have said they won't be making a pitch for Stringer

Just to add to this, Clarkson stated that he would be interested in Jake but didn't see how they could make a trade work in this period that would satisfy the Bulldog's expectation.

[comrade]

After today, if there's a decent offer, Stringer is gone. So back to the topic of worth. Is the worth in a draft pick or a player to compensate us?

Connors said he's playing in Victoria 100% next year:

Carlton - Pick 3, no way they give that up. I'm not sure they'll give up a good enough player either.
North - Dying for a marquee player. Pick 4?
Collingwood - Cooney said with Matt Boyd taking the development role at Collingwood, maybe pick 6 could be on the table.
St Kilda - A bit like north. Would they offer pick 8?
Essendon - Are chasing him hard. Would pick 11 do the job.
Geelong - I don't know what half arsed offer they'd make, pick 20 (their first) and a fringe player.
Richmond - Have interest but are reportedly chasing Schache as of last week before knowing Stringer was on the market. Could we take Schache off Richmond for Stringer (both late top 10 pick trades) and let Richmond satisfy Brisbane. Does that have less or more worth.
Hawthorn - They said they're interested but have little to trade realistically. I can't see Gunston being traded but that's the level I'd want.
Melbourne - Tied up in Lever.

What looks the best way forward?

Why would Matty Boyd have any interest in Stringer coming to Collingwood, or on the flipside, why would Stringer follow Boyd? Boyd was quite open in his retirement speech to the group that Stringer will enjoy not having him around so he won't be able to chew him out when he was on his phone during weights sessions.

[FrediKanoute]

Elephant in the room is next year. Assuming that he stays (for whatever reason), he is out of contract so if he has another indifferent year we run the risk of losing him for nothing - if we have concerns we should cash in. As much as I hate this, it is the most prudent.

[LostDoggy]

Elephant in the room is next year. Assuming that he stays (for whatever reason), he is out of contract so if he has another indifferent year we run the risk of losing him for nothing - if we have concerns we should cash in. As much as I hate this, it is the most prudent.

Guaranteed if he stays he won't have another indifferent year.

[whythelongface]

Elephant in the room is next year. Assuming that he stays (for whatever reason), he is out of contract so if he has another indifferent year we run the risk of losing him for nothing - if we have concerns we should cash in. As much as I hate this, it is the most prudent.

Agree. May as well trade him whilst we has some currency. It is such a pity that it has come to this as he was and still could be such a valuable player for us. Unfortunately if both parties are unable to resolve their differences then it is best that they part ways and seek opportunities elsewhere. As others have stated their is no doubt he is going through some real issues at the moment. First and foremost I hope that he can resolve these for his (and his families) health and well being.

Good luck to the young man and I do hope he thrives elsewhere (assuming that we do part company).

[bulldogtragic]

Why would Matty Boyd have any interest in Stringer coming to Collingwood, or on the flipside, why would Stringer follow Boyd? Boyd was quite open in his retirement speech to the group that Stringer will enjoy not having him around so he won't be able to chew him out when he was on his phone during weights sessions.

Cooney said it.

[Jeanette54]

Listening to 774 this morning my impression was that Jake wants to stay. Hopefully he can mend his (reported) ways, convince the powers that would trade him of this, and stay to make a meaningful contribution to 2018.

[comrade]

Cooney said it.

I know, I was inferring that Cooney is a clown.

[ledge]

When reporters decide to pick on a club the first thing they do is run to an ex player of said club thinking that it will justify the story more.

[bulldogtragic]

I know, I was inferring that Cooney is a clown.

Don't infer it. He's a complete arse clown in this media identity he's trying to create. :D

[GVGjr]

Don't infer it. He's a complete arse clown in this media identity he's trying to create. :D

I think some at the club thought he should have been the captain at one stage.

Stringer is still a top 12 pick in my estimations. Lets see if he can convince the club he wants to stay.

I will pass an observation but his manager likes to get his own way and can be either great to deal with or a complete cow.
We might be tempting the Jersey side of him at the moment.

[comrade]

I think some at the club thought he should have been the captain at one stage.


If so, then it probably explains why the club implodes every few seasons.

[bulldogtragic]

If so, then it probably explains why the club implodes every few seasons.

Brian Lake as VC.

[LostDoggy]

I think some at the club thought he should have been the captain at one stage.

Stringer is still a top 12 pick in my estimations. Lets see if he can convince the club he wants to stay.

I will pass an observation but his manager likes to get his own way and can be either great to deal with or a complete cow.
We might be tempting the Jersey side of him at the moment.


I really hope he can convince the club to stay.

[ledge]

Collingwood not interested. That's two clubs that aren't chasing him (Hawks) I find that says something as we all Know his upside is enormous.
What's scared them off ?

[bulldogtragic]

I really hope he can convince the club to stay.

He's the dude whose realised its his now former wife's wedding day, and it's real. So he's driven over to the church, climbed up a drain pipe, into the first level room of his former wife whose preparing in her huge dress to walk in 5 minutes and telling her he's a changed man.

It's not a Hollywood movie or sit-com, with a happy ending. It's the real world and he's charged with aggravated burglary and gets to spend some time reflecting about the decisions in his life that led him to a public bail hearing (like he got today).

[bulldogtragic]

Collingwood not interested. That's two clubs that aren't chasing him (Hawks) I find that says something as we all Know his upside is enormous.
What's scared them off ?

Clarko said he would be interested in getting Stringer, but it's unlikely they could satisfy our trade request.

[ledge]

Clarko said he would be interested in getting Stringer, but it's unlikely they could satisfy our trade request.

A very nice way of saying things without saying them.

[kruder]

Kinda felt like Jake was a piece of meat on stage such a sad state of affairs for mine. My opinion is that his manager wants him to stay because its his best chance to increase his value considering he is entering the final year of his contract.

[Mantis]

Collingwood not interested. That's two clubs that aren't chasing him (Hawks) I find that says something as we all Know his upside is enormous.
What's scared them off ?

The fact that it seems an extremely talented player is being punted from the club won a flag last year by a coach who is extremely well respected by all and sundry and has previously worked at said clubs doesn't heighten your senses that the rumours about Jake might be correct?

[ledge]

The fact that it seems an extremely talented player is being punted from the club won a flag last year by a coach who is extremely well respected by all and sundry and has previously worked at said clubs doesn't heighten your senses that the rumours about Jake might be correct?

Yeah but their is so many , which are the real ones ?

[Twodogs]

He's the dude whose realised its his now former wife's wedding day, and it's real. So he's driven over to the church, climbed up a drain pipe, into the first level room of his former wife whose preparing in her huge dress to walk in 5 minutes and telling her he's a changed man.

It's not a Hollywood movie or sit-com, with a happy ending. It's the real world and he's charged with aggravated burglary and gets to spend some time reflecting about the decisions in his life that led him to a public bail hearing (like he got today).

That scene never does end well even in the movies. The dude always starts swaying with emotion and then falls off the bloody balcony and ends up in traction in hospital.


Yeah but their is so many , which are the real ones ?

Clarko probably has better information than us and knows which rumours are true.

[Bulldog4life]

He's the dude whose realised its his now former wife's wedding day, and it's real. So he's driven over to the church, climbed up a drain pipe, into the first level room of his former wife whose preparing in her huge dress to walk in 5 minutes and telling her he's a changed man.

It's not a Hollywood movie or sit-com, with a happy ending. It's the real world and he's charged with aggravated burglary and gets to spend some time reflecting about the decisions in his life that led him to a public bail hearing (like he got today).

And his ex now has a boyfriend. He might that find hard to take.

[bornadog]

Sam McClure claiming Stringer will nominate Geelong end of next week.

Claims Stringer met with Geelong on Monday.

[Twodogs]

Sam McClure claiming Stringer will nominate Geelong end of next week.

Claims Stringer met with Geelong on Monday.


Ralph is on SEN now saying that "bulldog supporters have to know why they are only getting pick 18 for a premiership player."

[comrade]

Sam McClure claiming Stringer will nominate Geelong end of next week.

Claims Stringer met with Geelong on Monday.

If so, he is a moron.

[Twodogs]

If so, he is a moron.

Stringer, MacLure, both?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Unless Geelong can find another trade to get that pick around the top 10 I would not even answer their call if I was JMac. The same if they in anyway intimate that Motlop or Menzel could be part of a deal.
If we were to roll over that easily I would be very upset with our club.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Anywhere but bloody Geelong FFS

[Rocket Science]

There's an inescapable feeling this slow-mo car crash will eventually be looked back upon as 'List Management 101 : What Not To Do'.

And can barely wait for the hardest of all goal celebrations when Jake straight arms Motlop en route to slotting his first one against us in Cats colours.

FMD.

[comrade]

Stringer, MacLure, both?

Stringer.

[always right]

If so, he is a moron.

McCartney is the moron if he entertains the trade. I hope we are not looking to do "what's in the best interest of the player".....a line we seem to trot out regularly. We need to be entirely selfish in this situation.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

If we trade Stringer for a bag of peanuts to Geelong, thereby making a competitor stronger and Geelong of all clubs, it'll be the end of me.

I have no faith in our ability to handle this well.

[comrade]

McCartney is the moron if he entertains the trade. I hope we are not looking to do "what's in the best interest of the player".....a line we seem to trot out regularly. We need to be entirely selfish in this situation.

Nominating a club with the least trade assets when under contract is moronic if maximising his pay day is his goal. Other Vic clubs have more cap space to spend and better assets to utilise to get a deal done.

Nominating Geelong means 1 of 2 things IMO: he wants to bend us over or he wants the deal to fall through so he can stay at the Dogs.

[bornadog]

Nominating a club with the least trade assets when under contract is moronic if maximising his pay day is his goal. Other Vic clubs have more cap space to spend and better assets to utilise to get a deal done.

Nominating Geelong means 1 of 2 things IMO: he wants to bend us over or he wants the deal to fall through so he can stay at the Dogs.

Listening to him on trade radio, he kept saying let's see how things pan out over the next few weeks. It seems he was hurting to leave and hoping something would change. He forgets that he is the one that can make it happen, ie to stay.

[ledge]

If we get pick 18 I would say clubs have taken in his problems , could be the best we get offered. Shows he does have issues as other clubs won't offer a lot in competition to get him if their is any .. Doesn't seem any competition to get him to be honest.
I would say pick 18 and something else.
All these journos and their statements why do we the public believe all the dribble when time again they are shown to be just that , dribble.
No facts just their own stupid statements or opinion.

[ledge]

Listening to him on trade radio, he kept saying let's see how things pan out over the next few weeks. It seems he was hurting to leave and hoping something would change. He forgets that he is the one that can make it happen, ie to stay.

Is he or has the club made up its mind ?

[GVGjr]

Nominating a club with the least trade assets when under contract is moronic if maximising his pay day is his goal. Other Vic clubs have more cap space to spend and better assets to utilise to get a deal done.

Nominating Geelong means 1 of 2 things IMO: he wants to bend us over or he wants the deal to fall through so he can stay at the Dogs.

I wouldn't put it past Paul Connors just ramping up some pressure on us
We just need to stand pat and let the noise makers make the noise.

Plenty to play out yet because we have a contracted player.

[bulldogtragic]

Top 10 pick or equilent top 10 pick player, or he stays. Not hard to make clear. This kind of think made Dusty Martin the player he is today. A lot of clubs would've offered a bit more for Dusty now. Don't let Stringer slip through your fingers either. Or if he stays and does what's required he can have all he wants.

[Twodogs]

Top 10 pick or equilent top 10 pick player, or he stays. Not hard to make clear. This kind of think made Dusty Martin the player he is today. A lot of clubs would've offered a bit more for Dusty now. Don't let Stringer slip through your fingers either. Or if he stays and does what's required he can have all he wants.

One year of head down and arse up, literally go as hard as you like on the ground-transfer all that Devil's energy that Jake seems to have an abundance of and use it for good, produce on the field and Jake can name his own price to stay at the bulldogs or go elsewhere.

Couldn't be any simpler could it? Oh the arrogance of youth...

[always right]

If we get pick 18 I would say clubs have taken in his problems , could be the best we get offered. Shows he does have issues as other clubs won't offer a lot in competition to get him if their is any .. Doesn't seem any competition to get him to be honest.
I would say pick 18 and something else.
All these journos and their statements why do we the public believe all the dribble when time again they are shown to be just that , dribble.
No facts just their own stupid statements or opinion.

It's "drivel". Sorry....one of my pet hates.:)

[ledge]

It's "drivel". Sorry....one of my pet hates.:)

I call it dribble as in diarhea coming out of the mouth.
You call it drivel

[Bullies]

If he nominates Geelong you will find the deal will more than likely get done with pick 18 and probably a player. Stringers management will tell other clubs he is not interested in playing for them and they will not risk a first rounder if the player does not want to be there. It is the club getting rid of the player so his value is not what everyone would like it to be or what we think he is worth. As Ledge said there is not as much interest as there should be from other clubs.

[comrade]

I wouldn't put it past Paul Connors just ramping up some pressure on us
We just need to stand pat and let the noise makers make the noise.

Plenty to play out yet because we have a contracted player.

Put pressure on us to do what?

[KT31]

If he nominates Geelong you will find the deal will more than likely get done with pick 18 and probably a player. Stringers management will tell other clubs he is not interested in playing for them and they will not risk a first rounder if the player does not want to be there. It is the club getting rid of the player so his value is not what everyone would like it to be or what we think he is worth. As Ledge said there is not as much interest as there should be from other clubs.

Possible we could ask for pick 18 and Menzal, although i spoken to a few Cats members in the last week and they are only concerned in getting Ablett Jnr back.
I imagine they will need pick 18 for that.

[ledge]

Possible we could ask for pick 18 and Menzal, although i spoken to a few Cats members in the last week and they are only concerned in getting Ablett Jnr back.
I imagine they will need pick 18 for that.

Cats members are just fans like us , they have about as much idea as we have at what's happening or who they want is concerned.

[Twodogs]

If he nominates Geelong you will find the deal will more than likely get done with pick 18 and probably a player. Stringers management will tell other clubs he is not interested in playing for them and they will not risk a first rounder if the player does not want to be there. It is the club getting rid of the player so his value is not what everyone would like it to be or what we think he is worth. As Ledge said there is not as much interest as there should be from other clubs.



Your source?

This ain't Big Footy you don't just make stuff up,

[bornadog]

If he nominates Geelong you will find the deal will more than likely get done with pick 18 and probably a player. Stringers management will tell other clubs he is not interested in playing for them and they will not risk a first rounder if the player does not want to be there. It is the club getting rid of the player so his value is not what everyone would like it to be or what we think he is worth. As Ledge said there is not as much interest as there should be from other clubs.

Geelong don't have pick 18. They gave away their first rounder this year, but did receive pick 20 from Carlton, so that is their first pick.

That pick is not good enough to trade Stringer.

[ledge]

Geelong don't have pick 18. They gave away their first rounder this year, but did receive pick 20 from Carlton, so that is their first pick.

That pick is not good enough to trade Stringer.

A players worth is judged by the market offers we have had no market offers yet , so we have no idea what is good enough.
,especially considering all Clubs would know he has issues and they must be pretty big considering the talent we know he has.
No club has jumped at him at all it's all been just journo rubbish so far, that tells me all clubs see somethings gone astray with him.

[bornadog]

A players worth is judged by the market offers we have had no market offers yet , so we have no idea what is good enough.
,especially considering all Clubs would know he has issues and they must be pretty big considering the talent we know he has.
No club has jumped at him at all it's all been just journo rubbish so far, that tells me all clubs see somethings gone astray with him.

Stringer was a pick 5, AA and premiership player, has kicked plenty of goals - more than Eddie Betts at the same number of games. We know what that is worth. If we don't get it then we don't trade.

[Topdog]

A players worth is judged by the market offers we have had no market offers yet , so we have no idea what is good enough.
,especially considering all Clubs would know he has issues and they must be pretty big considering the talent we know he has.
No club has jumped at him at all it's all been just journo rubbish so far, that tells me all clubs see somethings gone astray with him.

Essendon, Carlton and Geelong have all spoken with him already. Those are just the clubs that has been seen

[GVGjr]

Put pressure on us to do what?

To accept that it's the club of Stringers choosing. I wouldn't mind him staying (with the right conditions) but we shouldn't allow him to dictate just one club

[bulldogtragic]

To accept that it's the club of Stringers choosing. I wouldn't mind him staying (with the right conditions) but we shouldn't allow him to dictate just one club

Yes. If it's a compromise like Connors said, in that Jake didn't ask to be traded, then the compromise for Jake & WBFC is no clubs outside Victoria. That means 9 other teams, really 7 others with Hawthorn & Collingwood giving tepid comments on him. Thus, we won't pursue 8 interstate clubs and he will be open to 7 Victorian clubs that offer him the similar or same offer.

Or he stays like Dusty Martin did a few years ago.

[The Doctor]

Stringer is contracted so if we don't get what we think is a good deal the others can go jump.

He can then play out his contract with us and we can watch a feeding frenzy for him next year.

[ratsmac]

In my heart of hearts I can't see Jake playing for us next year. The whole saga smells bad. Surely there is more to this than just some laziness on the track and in rehab.

Well if it's the cats we are forced to deal with I'd be targeting Cockatoo. If they think they are getting Stringer at a bargain basement price they are kidding themselves. Cockatoo does have hammy problems but so does Jake I suppose. He has plenty of pace and he can kick a goal. I doubt Geelong would trade Cockatoo but I'd be setting the bar there.

If it's the Bombers then it's their first rounder or I'd go for a Boyd like coup and throw cash a Z Merrett. Again it's a huge long shot but let's see if we can pry out something good out of this shit situation. Gee the look on their smug faces when Merrett says I'd like to be traded to the bulldogs would be priceless.

The one thing I will dearly miss though is Jake's finger pointing after he kick a goal.

[Twodogs]

In my heart of hearts I can't see Jake playing for us next year. The whole saga smells bad. Surely there is more to this than just some laziness on the track and in rehab.

Well if it's the cats we are forced to deal with I'd be targeting Cockatoo. If they think they are getting Stringer at a bargain basement price they are kidding themselves. Cockatoo does have hammy problems but so does Jake I suppose. He has plenty of pace and he can kick a goal. I doubt Geelong would trade Cockatoo but I'd be setting the bar there.

If it's the Bombers then it's their first rounder or I'd go for a Boyd like coup and throw cash a Z Merrett. Again it's a huge long shot but let's see if we can pry out something good out of this shit situation. Gee the look on their smug faces when Merrett says I'd like to be traded to the bulldogs would be priceless.

The one thing I will dearly miss though is Jake's finger pointing after he kick a goal.

It's OK. I'm sure he will still do it no matter where he is playing.

[ratsmac]

It's OK. I'm sure he will still do it no matter where he is playing.

You know what I mean... for us!!:D

[ledge]

Geez now some radio show is reporting he will stay at the dogs , talk about having bets each way !
The tripe these people put out is just stunning, they work out all the outcomes and go with a new one each day.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Geez now some radio show is reporting he will stay at the dogs , talk about having bets each way !
The tripe these people put out is just stunning, they work out all the outcomes and go with a new one each day.

Is the station reporting it as if they have heard he is staying or just providing an opinion that they think he will stay?

[ledge]

Is the station reporting it as if they have heard he is staying or just providing an opinion that they think he will stay?

http://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=136

[ledge]

Try this
LISTEN | Marko thinks Jake Stringer could well still be at the Dogs in 2018. Find out why: player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=136…

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Try this
LISTEN | Marko thinks Jake Stringer could well still be at the Dogs in 2018. Find out why: player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=136…

Neither of these work for me, sorry.

[ledge]

Neither of these work for me, sorry.

Looks like it's been taken off I'm getting error 404 now.
Anyway basically the other side of the story that he could stay, so basically no journalist has a clue what's going on even though they infer they do.

[bulldogtragic]

Looks like it's been taken off I'm getting error 404 now.
Anyway basically the other side of the story that he could stay, so basically no journalist has a clue what's going on even though they infer they do.

To be fair, if you were paid to talk, write or otherwise fill 'sports news' for hours a day, you have to make stuff up to justify the 38 hours a week. I've stopped news cold turkey a few months ago and it's been great. Admittedly I get my info on here now and rely on y'all, but if you don't like current journalism (sports or all) just quit it.

[bornadog]

Looks like it's been taken off I'm getting error 404 now.
Anyway basically the other side of the story that he could stay, so basically no journalist has a clue what's going on even though they infer they do.

Try this link (https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=136783)

[azabob]

Ledge is referring to Mark Allen and Schwartz on SEN. All of this week and some of last Stringer has been a lead talking point. Allen reckons it is just one big rouse to get Stringer to straighten up and scare him for real.

[bulldogtragic]

Ledge is referring to Mark Allen and Schwartz on SEN. All of this week and some of last Stringer has been a lead talking point. Allen reckons it is just one big rouse to get Stringer to straighten up and scare him for real.

Interesting theory.

[Sedat]

Mark Allan is a terrific authority on all things golf. He knows less than nothing about every other sport played on earth.

[Topdog]

Mark Allan is a terrific authority on all things golf. He knows less than nothing about every other sport played on earth.

Yeah and to be fair to him he doesn't claim to have inside knowledge or even to be a journalist. He talks as a fan of footy and that's all.

[Bulldog Joe]

Yeah and to be fair to him he doesn't claim to have inside knowledge or even to be a journalist. He talks as a fan of footy and that's all.

Basically a Big Footy poster with a microphone.