Picks 9 & 16 - What do want? Who do we want?

[bulldogtragic]

Alrighty so we have 9 & 16 at the draft. What and who do we want?

[Ozza]

Kids that are mids.

[Hotdog60]

I think we need some tall ruck/ forward type around the 200cm mark.

[bornadog]

Kids that are mids.

that can kick a ball and run fast

[DOG GOD]

that can kick a ball and run fast

Absolutely....look for nothing else...
Fast, evasive runners with elite foot skills on both feet....and no dickheads.

[Dry Rot]

Bonar.

[bulldogtragic]

Dal must be happy. Top10 picks few and far between for him.

[kruder]

Alrighty so we have 9 & 16 at the draft. What and who do we want?

Brayshaw and Bonar make it happen Dally

[Rocket Science]

Blokes who can put it down the throat of Boyd & Schache.

[whythelongface]

we need speed. We have good inside mids but we need some outside run.

[jeemak]

We need someone who can take the ball from inside to outside with some burst and good foot skills. We also need someone who is quick and can finish off good work, whilst putting pressure on the ball carrying defenders.

[hujsh]

Dal must be happy. Top10 picks few and far between for him.

One might even say there are only 10 each year

[bulldogtragic]

Can we get Josh Shaq into a Shaq O'Neal jersey, maybe 34. Move Bailey Williams up.

[Scraggers]

with pick 9 :- Pace
with pick 16 :- Pace

[Go_Dogs]

Brayshaw and Clarke please.

Daniels as a small forward could be another option.

[BulldogBelle]

I came across this file from a few years ago. It is interesting to note what happened to the draftees who led in the various categories.
Good on you Caleb Daniel for doing so well.

2014 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

3km time trial (minutes : seconds)
Jack Hiscox 9:18
Tom Lamb 9:45
Alex Neal-Bullen 9:54
Billy Stretch 9:57
Nathan Drummond 9:59
Josh Deluca-Cardillo 10:07
Daniel McKenzie 10:07
Connor Menadue 10:07
Liam Duggan 10:11
Jack Steele 10:11

Hiscox breaks all-time endurance record

Beep test/shuttle run (level)
Caleb Daniel 16.1
Jack Hiscox 16.1
Nathan Drummond 15.9
Tom Lamb 15.5
Ed Langdon 15.3
Jarrod Garlett 15.2
Alex Neal-Bullen 15.2
Jason Castagna 15.2
Billy Stretch 15.1
Jack Steele 15.1
Jordan Cunico 14.12
Christian Petracca 14.12

Click here for full draft and combine news

Kicking test (score out of 30)
Nakia Cockatoo 29
Daniel Howe 28
Kyle Langford 28
Toby McLean 27
Michael Mattingly 27
Nathan Drummond 27
Dean Gore 27
Brett Eddy 27
Clem Smith 26
Liam Duggan 26
Brayden Maynard 26
Jack Steele 26
Ed Vickers-Willis 26
Mitch McGovern 26

How do the combine tests work and who are the record-holders?

Clean hands test (score out of 30)
Nathan Drummond 26
Paddy Brophy 26
Reece McKenzie 26
Tyler Keitel 26
Dougal Howard 26
Michael Mattingly 25
Brett Eddy 25
Caleb Daniel 25
Jake Johansen 25
Jarrod Garlett 25
Brydan Hodgson 25
Marc Pittonet 25
Liam Dawson 25
Jack Cripps 25

Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
Dean Gore 30
Keenan Ramsey 30
Nathan Drummond 25
Paddy Brophy 25
Michael Mattingly 25
Liam Dawson 25
Cory Gregson 25
Aidan Anderson 25
Dougal Howard 24
Jarrod Garlett 24
Jack Cripps 24
Bailey Dale 24
Declan Hamilton 24

20 metre sprint results (sec)
Marvin Baynham 2.81
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results (sec)
Clem Smith 8.09
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results (sec)
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

Standing vertical jump (cm)
Marvin Baynham 88
Jarrod Garlett 76
Nathan Drummond 76
Christian Petracca 74
Nakia Cockatoo 73
James Rose 73
Dean Gore 72
Nicholas Coughlan 72
Evan Bruinsma 72
Reece McKenzie 72
Tom Read 72

Running vertical jump (cm)
Evan Bruinsma 97
Marvin Baynham 95
Daniel McKenzie 94
Billy Gowers 93
Nathan Drummond 90
Nakia Cockatoo 89
Matthew Uebergang 87
Mitch McGovern 87
James Rose 87
Matthew Hammelmann 87

[The Underdog]

Bonar.

Oh god yes. That’s all I want

[hujsh]

Oh god yes. That’s all I want

There are pills for that

[Bulldog4life]

Those on Woof will know better but is this guy a chance at number 16?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-22/highflying-wafl-star-liam-ryan-ready-to-take-next-leap-to-afl

WHEN Subiaco excitement machine Liam Ryan was overlooked in last year's drafts, many people were left scratching their heads.

A phenomenal talent who boasted a spectacular highlights reel, there was little doubt Ryan was blessed with the pure ability to make the AFL grade.

He had just exploded onto the WAFL scene out of nowhere, a raw country footballer who booted 40 goals in 16 games in a stellar debut season after moving from Geraldton at the urging of his grandfather to chase his football dreams.

Clearly recruiters had noticed his stunning potential. Ryan was invited to test at the WA draft combine – which requires nominations from at least two AFL clubs.

However, the drafts came and went without his name being called.

Questions lingered about the reasons why but – 12 months later – the 21-year-old admits he probably wouldn't have been ready for the step up.

"Last year really I didn't take things serious," Ryan told AFL.com.au.

"I used to drink alcohol a lot last year, but now I've got a baby on the way and got a girlfriend to settle me right down.

"So I don't drink no more.

"I used to love partying, but I don’t love partying no more – it's like I'm 40 or something.

"I just chill at home with my girlfriend. Watch movies and chill."

After seeing Ryan's change in attitude first-hand, it came as no surprise to Subiaco coach Jarrad Schofield that his star spearhead won the WAFL's goalkicking this year and finished eighth in the Sandover Medal.

"It's mainly based on his attitude and commitment to training, understanding the requirements to succeed," Schofield said.

"It's only his second season of WAFL, he's had close attention and kicked 73 goals.

"He's put himself in such a better position to take the next step to AFL.

"He settled down with a girl and he made it a focus of his not to touch alcohol, which is a credit to him.

"It just shows that when he puts his mind to something he can stay on the path of it."

While Ryan has been a headline act for the Lions, helping them to back-to-back WAFL Grand Finals, he pays plenty of credit to Schofield and football manager Daniel Vidovich for helping him harness his potential.

Softly-spoken but fiercely-determined, Ryan always knew what he could do if he put his mind to football, but a strong club like Subiaco has brought out the best in him.

"Everyone used to talk to me about it (playing elite football), but mainly my Pop was always onto me," he said.

"He's seen the talent in me when I was about 14. He knew I could get where I want to be today."

Despite it being blindingly obvious what Ryan can do, Schofield has heard all the queries about potential weaknesses.
Some critics have pointed to his struggles against an AFL stopper in Ryan Nyhuis – who held Ryan goalless in this year's low-scoring Grand Final.

But Schofield is quick to point out that Subiaco's ball movement was stifled by a well-drilled Peel line-up featuring 15 Dockers-listed players, and to the opportunities Ryan's threat opened up for his teammates.

Other doubters have wondered if a high-flyer like Ryan can adapt to play as a crumbing small forward, which makes Schofield laugh.

"When he's jumping on people's heads or leading up as a marking player – and he became a main focal point for us – he didn't have to be that crumbing player," he said.

"But he can definitely do it.

"He can work up in traffic and win his own ball at ground level, that's for sure.

"He's an excitement machine. Not only can he take marks, he's got good leg speed, he's got good evasiveness, and he's hard at the footy for a guy who is pretty lean."

There are things Ryan knows he needs to get better at. He can get fitter and stronger, and he's working hard on the defensive side of his game.

But what he does do is make opponents nervous, and he's given WAFL fans a reason to come through the gates each weekend to see if he will add to a highlights reel Cyril Rioli would be proud of.

"It's alright, hey?" Ryan says with a grin.

"I grew up doing that stuff. My dad can jump, my uncle could play football.

"I grew up around footballers."

Can he do it at AFL level?

"If I get a gig first, then I'll try it."

West Coast, which is in desperate need of small forwards roving at Josh Kennedy's feet, Port Adelaide and Melbourne are rumoured to be among the clubs most interested in Ryan this year.

Schofield is cautiously optimistic that Ryan will get his shot, and is adamant that he deserves it.

"If he's ever going to go it's going to be this draft," Schofield said.

"I was confident last year when about 10 clubs spoke to him. He's gone to another level.

"Everyone's waiting to see if he can take that next step and I'm a firm believer he can."

As for Ryan, he "100 per cent" believes an AFL club will pick him up.

"If not, I don't know what's going on."

[bulldogtragic]

Reads well, that's for sure. Matt Balmer references him about pick 46 to Port unless a WA club picks him up earlier.

[mjp]

Reads well, that's for sure. Matt Balmer references him about pick 46 to Port unless a WA club picks him up earlier.

Which is a joke. Can you imagine where someone would be drafted if they kicked 73 goals in the TAC Cup?

Tim Kelly and Liam Ryan should both go top 10 in this draft. They wont but they should.

[GVGjr]

Which is a joke. Can you imagine where someone would be drafted if they kicked 73 goals in the TAC Cup?

Tim Kelly and Liam Ryan should both go top 10 in this draft. They wont but they should.

The day a team does something as bold as that and it works will change the whole draft process.

I wouldn't make that call for picks in the first round but I'd consider it in the 2nd round.

[Twodogs]

Is it just the tyranny of distance that keeps them off the Eastern states radar? Because Mike is quite right.


But then if a 21yo kicked 73 goals in the VFL would there be a big fuss?

[The Doctor]

Which is a joke. Can you imagine where someone would be drafted if they kicked 73 goals in the TAC Cup?

Tim Kelly and Liam Ryan should both go top 10 in this draft. They wont but they should.

I mentioned in one of the other draft threads we should consider Kelly at pick 16

I'd lay money on the fact that West Coast traded into the 2nd round to get extra picks was to give themselves a chance at either Kelly or Ryan or both. They have 13, 21, 26 & 32. Both players ready to go and would be expected to play round 1 2018

[bulldogtragic]

Cam Twomey has twice said Coffield should go at 9. Here's afl.com.au piece on Coffield:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-23/tomorrows-heroes-the-drafts-mr-reliable

[Mantis]

Cam Twomey has twice said Coffield should go at 9. Here's afl.com.au piece on Coffield:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-23/tomorrows-heroes-the-drafts-mr-reliable

Can't see how he fits our needs at all. A mid sized defender isn't at the top of my shopping list.

[Axe Man]

Cam Twomey has twice said Coffield should go at 9. Here's afl.com.au piece on Coffield:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-23/tomorrows-heroes-the-drafts-mr-reliable

I'm pretty sure Twomey's lists are a ranking in his opinion, not a phantom draft where players are expected to go.

[bulldogtragic]

Just reporting the news, not making it. I think Twomey believes he will work up to a big midfielder.

[Happy Days]

I want that Bonar dude. I don't know anything about the draft but he passes the name test, the eye test, and the injury discount test.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Can't see how he fits our needs at all. A mid sized defender isn't at the top of my shopping list.

They’ve just posted a video highlights package and he mentions that he is a Dogs fan. Lightning quick 190cm HB that can also play on smalls, good user, leadership qualities, and working up to more midfield minutes. I think we could do worse. Hopefully he’s there at 16 if we are keen.


http://m.afl.com.au/video/2017-10-23/tomorrows-heroes-nick-coffield

[Mofra]

Can't see how he fits our needs at all. A mid sized defender isn't at the top of my shopping list.
I'm hoping he slips to us, should be able to transition into the midfield.
Has a Jack Macrae-like sidestep, buys himself time. Is quick and can use the football.

We get another mid at pick 16, we have two future mids but Coffield can start at HB (as Griff did) and an attacking mid who debuts this year on the HF line (a la Smith / Ward / Hunter).

[KT31]

They’ve just posted a video highlights package and he mentions that he is a Dogs fan. Lightning quick 190cm HB that can also play on smalls, good user, leadership qualities, and working up to more midfield minutes. I think we could do worse. Hopefully he’s there at 16 if we are keen.


http://m.afl.com.au/video/2017-10-23/tomorrows-heroes-nick-coffield

Is it just me but see that sees a bit of Bhuba in his run and evasiveness.
He seemed pretty accurate and good skills, does anyone know if he is a long kick ?

[kruder]

A bit surprised Brandon Starcevich doesn't get mention much in the top 20 talk he killed it in the AA game. Im not sure how he tested at the combine but looks an AFL player for sure, a natural footballer that we seem to like so much be nice to know what his speed is like we desperately need some that for sure.

[dukedog]

What we need is an electric type pler in the cockatoo/ dan rioli type mold. Coffield looks good at 9. Id also hope higgins sneaks through. Those two at 9 and 16 would be perfect

[LostDoggy]

I would love 2 players who can give us serious outside run, line breaking abilities and at least 1 who has natural forward smarts, goalkicking. Other attributes I would love to see us focus on include excellent kicking, good defensive pressure and some ability overhead (not asking for much).

I reckon there are 6 prime candidates for us (other than those who will almost certainly have already gone). In a rough order I'm barracking for; Lochie O'Brien, Aiden Bonar, Jack Higgins, Patrick Naish, Oscar Allen and Ed Richards.

[choconmientay]

2017 Draft Combine results: Top 10 for every test (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-06/draft-combine-results-top-10-for-every-test):

2017 NAB AFL Draft Combine top performers

Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
Jordan Houlahan - 30
Angus Schumacher - 30
Jackson Ross - 30
Ben Miller - 30
Jake Patmore - 25
Ryley Stoddart - 25
Changkuoth Jiath - 25
Andrew Brayshaw - 25
Connor Ballenden - 25
Aaron Naughton - 25
Aiden Bonar - 25

Kicking test (score out of 30)
Connor Balldenden - 30
Jack Higgins - 29
Angus Schumacher - 29
Jack Payne - 29
Hayden McLean - 29
Jackson Ross - 29
Ned Reeves - 29
Jordan Houlahan - 28
Hunter Clark - 28
Lloyd Meek - 28

Smartspeed 20-metre sprint
Jack Petruccelle - 2.87 seconds
Kane Farrell - 2.90
Aiden Bonar - 2.90
Ben Miller - 2.91
Nick Coffield - 2.91
Ben Paton - 2.95
Brent Daniels - 2.95
Stefan Okunbar - 2.95
Jaidyn Stephenson - 2.95
Nicholas Shipley - 2.97

Smartspeed agility test
Kane Farrell - 8.10 seconds
Ben Miller - 8.10
Brent Daniels - 8.11
Trent Mynott - 8.20
Nathan Kreuger - 8.21
Aaron Naughton - 8.22
Mitchell Podhajski - 8.26
Oscar Allen - 8.27
Stefan Okunbar - 8.29
Matthew Ling - 8.30
Callan England - 8.30
Aiden Bonar - 8.30
Andrew Brayshaw - 8.30

Standing vertical jump
Aiden Bonar - 89cm
Kyron Hayden - 82cm
Ben Paton - 80cm
Harrison Jones - 79cm
Jordan Houlahan - 77cm
Jordan Johnston - 75cm
Jack Petruccelle - 74cm
Noah Balta - 74cm
Adam Sambono - 73cm
Hayden McLean - 73cm

Running vertical jump
Kyron Hayden - 103cm
Ben Paton - 99cm
Ryley Stoddart - 96cm
Kane Farrell - 95cm
Jordan Houlahan - 95cm
Hayden McLean - 92cm
Noah Balta - 89cm
Harrison Jones - 88cm
Oscar Allen - 88cm
Tom McCartin - 88cm
Matthew Day - 87cm
Nathan Kreuger - 87cm

Yo-Yo test
Andrew Brayshaw - 22.4 level
Dylan Moore - 22.3
Matthew Ling - 21.8
Alex Martini - 21.8
Aaron Naughton - 21.8
Jaidyn Stephenson - 21.8
Callan England - 21.6
Nicholas Shipley - 21.6
Brent Daniels - 21.5
Ethan Floyd - 21.5
Tom McCartin - 21.5
Cillian McDaid - 21.5
Gryan Miers - 21.5

2km time trial
Dylan Moore - 6:09 minutes
Lochie O'Brien - 6:12
Gryan Miers - 6:13
Andrew Brayshaw - 6:14
Aiden Domic - 6:15
Angus Styles - 6:17
Changkuoth Jiath - 6:17
Nathan Murphy - 6:21
Jaidyn Stephenson - 6:21
Ethan Floyd - 6:25


Who do you like best for 9/16? :)

[choconmientay]

A bit surprised Brandon Starcevich doesn't get mention much in the top 20 talk he killed it in the AA game. Im not sure how he tested at the combine but looks an AFL player for sure, a natural footballer that we seem to like so much be nice to know what his speed is like we desperately need some that for sure.


I found this: (https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-draft/afl-draft-2017-brandonstarcevich-the-stand-out-at-wa-draft-combine-ng-b88629473z)
East Perth’s Brandon Starcevich further enhanced his draft hopes with a stand out performance at Sunday’s WA State Draft Combine at the State Netball Centre.
Starcevich already attended the national combine in Melbourne, but a quad injury kept him out of some of the physical testing.
The hard-nosed midfielder-forward made sure his name remained prominent with the recruiters with a blistering 2.87sec. 20m sprint, a 91cm running vertical leap and an impressive performance in agility testing with 8.08.
AFL national talent football manager Michael Ablett said Starcevich was particularly impressive, just a couple of weeks on from the national combine.

https://images.thewest.com.au/publication/B88629473Z/GL61997CR.1-1.jpg?imwidth=800

[ledge]

Fox predicting we take Fogarty and Clark.

[The Doctor]

I think Clark will be a good player but not what we need. Similar to Dunkley imo

[GVGjr]

I think Clark will be a good player but not what we need. Similar to Dunkley imo

I'm interested in this assessment Doc, he's a fairly complete player with good skills on either foot, quickness and plays as a genuine mid or even a medium defender. I don't quite see the comparison with Dunks.

[The Doctor]

in the context of being a similar size and a bit untidy. I'm hoping for more speed and goalkicking ability in the players we go for. I wouldn't be unhappy with his selection just have other preferences.

[Go_Dogs]

in the context of being a similar size and a bit untidy. I'm hoping for more speed and goalkicking ability in the players we go for. I wouldn't be unhappy with his selection just have other preferences.

I think Clark is a better user than Dunks and would add a point of different to our midfield.

Whilst Dunks has some knocks on his game, his ability to get shots on goal is actually pretty good too and he’s one I could see developing his forward craft and increasing time spent there if he can polish his set shot kicking up a little.

[bulldogtragic]

Looking at the draft order. We have 16, and Brisbane 15.

If we can get some club to lodge a bid on Ballenden before their Pick 15, they'll absolutely match it. Thereby taking them out of a play on anyone we may want at 15. GWS, Sydney & Adelaide might be interested (hopefully). We get a one spot bump, which would be nice.

[GVGjr]

Looking at the draft order. We have 16, and Brisbane 15.

If we can get some club to lodge a bid on Ballenden before their Pick 15, they'll absolutely match it. Thereby taking them out of a play on anyone we may want at 15. GWS, Sydney & Adelaide might be interested (hopefully). We get a one spot bump, which would be nice.

And West Coast bidding on Ryan or Kelly at 13 because they're scared we will take one of them at 16.

[bulldogtragic]

And West Coast bidding on Ryan or Kelly at 13 because they're scared we will take one of them at 16.

Effectively bumping up to pick 14, that'd be nice.

[GVGjr]

Effectively bumping up to pick 14, that'd be nice.

It would be worth an extra interview or two plus also leaking our apparent interest.

[stefoid]

I reckon the list is in reasonable shape and dal should just go for the best available.